career-advice

[lucid granite]

overpowered. Well a lot of people are telling me that this jobs have really good income/worktime ratio and that they might fall in those terms in next decade.

[white relic]

What jobs?
"Jobs involving Python" have enormous variety

[lucid granite]

I meant jobs including coding in general.

[white relic]

But I don't know if income/work ratio is the best metric to use for selecting your career

[white relic]

Even more so then

[lucid granite]

Of course.

[fringe sphinx]

Software engineering is one of the most important jobs in modern industry. Software engineering is more than just "writing code", and requires a well-prepared mind. There are many jobs in tech, and many types of software engineering jobs. AI isn't coming to take our jobs: it's just yet another tool to make us able to build greater things.

[white relic]

I find the claim that coding jobs as a class are "OP" to be highly suspicious

[lucid granite]

You do not think so?

[white relic]

I don't even know how I would evaluate the claim that it's likely to change in the near future

[fringe sphinx]

By "a lot of people", are you talking about youtubers?

[white relic]

I'm not even really sure what it means tbh

[lucid granite]

I do not.

[fringe sphinx]

Or are you talking about people who work in the field? Or are you listening to your peers or people who don't work in the industry? We hear a lot of hot takes from people with no experience, so consider the source.

[hidden bloom]

on the slide what imges shld i include? shld i include just logos of jira / javaa / git - and have my own bullet points. or shld i just have one large image of something like (an ss of our jira sprint)? our a screenshot of my code? if i do the logos - i can add my own text to the slides, if i just do one giant image i can't add text bullet points?

[lucid granite]

It might those you metioned that is why I asked here, I was reading some reddit posts and forums and some of my relatives are in that field.

[white relic]

I work less time and make more than some people I know. I also do different kinds of work that I studied for years to be able to do. I don't get paid as much as I might if I moved to Seattle or Austin. Sometimes (not that often), I work unpaid nights and/or weekends. I have to be available sometimes when other people need me. But on the average my workplace is pretty relaxed and I'm happy with my compensation. Is my job OP?

[fringe sphinx]

My take is: software engineering will be different in 10 years, just like it's different from 10 years ago, and 10 years before that. It's a continually changing landscape. Data science and data engineering is surging in importance right now, and will be for the foreseeable future.

[lucid granite]

Would say so, just the first part makes it.

[fringe sphinx]

Oh man, my job is certainly OP. I left big tech for same money, and more family time, a long time ago. Got to coach my kids sports teams, super OP.

[oak oak]

is a college degree really that worth 😔 i wanna leave so bad man

[fringe sphinx]

Short answer, yes. Long answer? Tell us more.

[oak oak]

na im overreacting im just not as good at math and phys as i thought i was sadly so its ruffin me up

[white relic]

A cloud of logos isn't bad, but if you can, also do something about your specific project (class diagram, screenshot of the finished project if that makes sense, picture of an F1 car if the project has to do with engines, a group photo of your team if nothing else)

[distant urchin]

guys i was planning to take cs50 AI is it good?

[lucid granite]

I’m just confused on what to do in future that is why I asked those and maybe OP wasnt the right word lol.

[hidden bloom]

what if i juts screenshot a jira taskboard - it has all the specifics of my project

[smoky cairn]

I’m taking CS and I’ve forgotten everything about calculus except how to differentiate lol, discrete math is my jam now

[white relic]

Better than nothing

[smoky cairn]

Just finished my second year

[white relic]

But don't expect people to be reading it, the point of that screenshot would be "I have used Jira" not "here's everything about my project"

[hidden bloom]

well ya its just a visualization? i would be talking over it? i figured its better than throwing logos onto a screen - to have something specific to my project

[white relic]

well what is the project anyway

[fringe sphinx]

1st year?

[hidden bloom]

cloud file system

[oak oak]

ya

[hidden bloom]

we r not done with the project tho - but i thot its good to talk about cus im currently working on it?

[fringe sphinx]

I did terrible 1st year. Epically terrible.

[hidden bloom]

shld i only talk about finished projects???

[fringe sphinx]

My old man advice is: you're not bad at math and physics. You're (probably) bad at putting the work in.

[white relic]

Great, make a quick diagram with icons for users and a cloud that shows what a cloud filesystem is and splash that up there

[smoky cairn]

@hidden bloom what’s this for

[hidden bloom]

presentation in person assemsent centre..

[smoky cairn]

Oh not like a job interview right

[white relic]

you can probably do that in PowerPoint in like ten minutes

I guess longer if you aren't used to doing visuals in ppt

[hidden bloom]

its part of me getting the job tho

[oak oak]

probably true to be honest

[smoky cairn]

If it’s the early stage Probably don’t wanna write too much or they just won’t read it

[hidden bloom]

job interview is separate to this presentation

[white relic]

It's basically part of an extended interview

[hidden bloom]

final stage ....

[smoky cairn]

Ah okay good luck

If you’re in the final stage you’re in a good position, they’re probably just assessing if you’re an asshole or not now lol

[fringe sphinx]

Uni requires putting a lot more time in, unlike high school. HS, you could just cruise through classes and get by on intellect/intuition/etc. Uni, you actually have to actually learn the topic and identify what you're stuck on.

[hidden bloom]

god i hope

[fringe sphinx]

Are you in Calc 1 or 2?

[oak oak]

calc 1 im not doing that bad its just the amout of stuff you take is insane

[smoky cairn]

If the conversation turns casual you’re home free

[fringe sphinx]

The good thing is: I think it gets easier. It's not just because you get better, it's that the classes become a bit more interesting and intellectual, and less generic calc/physics/intro to programming/etc.

[smoky cairn]

@oak oak are your first year

[oak oak]

i love programming sadly my major only has it for the first year, defo wanna advance my programming knowledge after uni tho

but damn i thought it was very easy ngl, algos eat my brain

[smoky cairn]

First year is the hardest for a lot of people

Philosophy was my hardest class this year lol

[hearty island]

i'm in the final round for two interviews today, wish me luck!

[smoky cairn]

Nice!

[true harness]

you should advance your programming knowledge while in uni so you can be hired after graduating

[oak oak]

im gonna try but i think i need to get a online course or something

[smoky cairn]

Watch like the first hour of a tutorial and start writing some dogshit code and learn from there

[oak oak]

i did that but i noticed when it comes to harder problems the issue is the approach

like i made some code that applied the quadratic formula but like in lecture they asked us to define a function that reverses a list in python witought using the .reverse function and my brain turned off

[fringe sphinx]

Dad advice again: Don’t stress it yet, finish the semester and focus on your coursework. Get your study habits in check.

[fringe sphinx]

Yah, part of this just comes from experience and comfort with the fundamentals. Reversing a list can be done in lots of ways. You could iterate backwards over a list. You could swap elements. You could iterate forwards and insert to the first position. Etc

[hearty island]

oh man i have to go pray hang on. my mom told me to lol

i don't even pray

[smoky cairn]

Java programmer makes a new class that indexes the elements in reverse 💀

[hearty island]

it took me until my second year of full college to get solid study habits

[hidden bloom]

if i say something like this: "coding is the last step and hoepfully by the time you reach it, it is the easiest step. - its all the careful consideration that comes before it that is hard. if im coding my own personal tiny project technically i do not have to use git / jira / have a well thought out design, but when u are working for a corporation all those skills are necessary as you are working against actual business requirements, that has a deadline, in a team, not just by yourself" is that good? - im tryna show that i explicitly know why these skills are desirable. this isn't all im going to say obvioulsy just like the closing bit for that slide. i will set context and talk about the project and what im working on etc prior to this fyi

[white relic]

I don't feel you should say that. You don't need to point out in what ways the skills you learned were not necessary or explain why they're important. It's unnecessary

[graceful dock]

what books do you recommend to read for career development, promotion, level up in IT jobs ? (non technical books)

[modern thistle]

TBH... no books. you just need experience and certs.. maybe ITTL for more management development is good too

[graceful dock]

someone suggested to read Scrum: The Art of Doing Twice the Work in Half the Time - these books are useful ?

[modern thistle]

nope because you can read millions of those books. people will still be people. you just need to get your butt up and start doing things on a consistent basis.
Stop relying on motivational books. Those dont get you to the end goal. Small consistent wins each day gets you through the end.

You want to learn something? go take up on a skill course and stick thru it till the end. And we can talk.
I walked that road, where i was searching for easy way out of life but it doesnt get anywhere. Take up one skill you want to specialize on, and dont do anything else until you get certified or learn that skillset where it can land you a job or boost your career path etc.

When you actually achieved something, you can go read up on those motivational books and it can be somewhat helpful but not before.

[graceful dock]

yes you are right i need to finish my technical courses first 🥹 i am thinking too much

[buoyant seal]

best to concentrate onto hard skills in career first years
(Unit testing best practices by Khorikov heavily increases productivity, and TDD by Kent Beck book)

If u want to read smth like how to do work twice faster, then better to read book from the programming point of view.
Like this book

[modern thistle]

^ agreed. If you are going to read book, read something that will actually enhance your skills from technical perspective lol.

[gusty arrow]

As a career Prompt engineering how do I get that job?

[gritty rivet]

By applying

It's such a new role I think it's hard to say exactly what employers are looking for except to look at specific job listings

[gusty arrow]

Exactly, like what do they want?
And do I need to have certain skills?

[peak halo]

I don't think prompt engineering will actually emerge as an occupation that people train for or do full-time. It might become (and to a ceratin extent, already is) a skill that people who primarily do other things are expected to have.

[gusty arrow]

Maybe but like what else do they want? They are paying a lot of money for it

[peak halo]

who is "they"?

[gusty arrow]

Who ever is hiring

[peak halo]

I'm not convinced.

[regal axle]

People are not hiring for just prompt engineering. And if they are, it’s not a stable position and isn’t good pay. It isn’t a career position

[gusty arrow]

Well how do I know if it works like that? I need more research

[peak halo]

also, I think whoever proposed the idea that prompt engineering would be a full fledged occupation was just trying to cover for generative AI's perceived potential for job displacement. Like the people who say that truck drivers will just learn to code.

(the extent to which generative AI will displace jobs remains to be seen.)

[gusty arrow]

Idk bro seemes a bit to conspiratorial, but like they are probably gonna be new jobs because of ai and it's gonna take a few years

[regal axle]

Let me show you why it won't be a job.
I did not write a descriptive prompt (something required for good prompt engineering) and yet there is a system for converting my "bad prompt" into a better one. And these tools will only get better at it. This is a simple example

[peak halo]

I'm not alleging that there's a conspiracy. I don't think that the people propsing prompt engineering as a career necessarily have a stake in people believing that generative AI won't eliminate jobs. I just think they're wrong that prompt engineering will be something that people do full-time as a career.

[regal axle]

Yes, new jobs will pop up thanks to AI. But the jobs will not be as 1 note as "learn to talk to AI." It would become, "use this AI tool as part of your workflow." People will just have a new tool. It might be an important tool. But it isn't the job

[hearty island]

isssss interview time boys and girls

[gusty arrow]

I mean u asked something simple, the image is kinda funny, but I get your point
I was thinking more in the lines improving ai's correct responses or betterment of input output response

[peak halo]

if someone is involved in improving a generative AI, they're an ML engineer. not just a prompt engineer.

[gusty arrow]

So u think it's sus
Maybe, but I think prompt engineering will be some kind of thing maybe like a junior position or something

[peak halo]

I can't imagine a company needing so many generative AI outputs, nor do I think prompting generative AIs requires so much specialized knowledge, that it would be feasible or cost-effective to have even one person whose full-time job is to prompt generative AIs for 40 hours a week.

[gusty arrow]

Well I guess it's a part of that job, but I'm thinking if they were more complicated stuff to generate

[gusty arrow]

I mean I guess that makes sense, what do u suggest?

[peak halo]

also, people from across the workplace would need to communicate to the prompt engineer what the purpose of the generative AI output is supposed to be, to help them identify whether or not the output is good. and that requires knowledge transfer. that seems supremely less efficient than just having the person who needs the output to prompt the genAI themselves.

[peak halo]

people just use the generative AIs as tools throughout their workday, without having a (supposed) specialist intermediary. Which is already what's happening.

[fringe sphinx]

Agree with Stel: I think these types of roles will move closer to the domain experts and away from "engineering"

Maybe something like a business analyst role

[gusty arrow]

Okay then how do I get into building ai?
How to become an "Expert"

[gusty arrow]

Thats seemes fair

[peak halo]

my company even has an internal ChatGPT-like capability that we can use so that we don't leak information to OpenAI et al, which I've been using to write Mongo queries

[peak halo]

you need at least a bachelors and often a masters in CS.

[gusty arrow]

What else do I have to practice?
Like experience or something

[peak halo]

look for opportunities to work in ML labs while you're a student, and intern at companies doing ML

[gusty arrow]

What do ML companies look like?
Like as an example

[peak halo]

OpenAI is the highest-profile company that's just about AI. And a lot of tech companies have ML labs

[gusty arrow]

I live in kuwait, I literally have no idea how to get an internship

[peak halo]

are you attending a university in kuwait? and are you a kuwaiti citizen?

[gusty arrow]

Yes, expact

[fringe sphinx]

Hah, lol... I think every company has done this. I certainly did.

[peak halo]

your university probably has a career services center that can help you with internships. they'd know which companies recruit from you university and can help you navigate employment eligibility requirements.

[fringe sphinx]

In addition to what Stel said: Talk to people. Talk to friends of family. Networking is important: get to know what people do around you and what their experience (and connections) are.

[gusty arrow]

I guess, will have try, I hope i can find the counselor

[gusty arrow]

Thx man

[vital iron]

So from python what carrers should I work towards or what language do I need to learn to get one.

[gusty arrow]

I need to learn Arabic....

[gusty arrow]

Will do

[peak halo]

if you speak an indo-european language, that's gonna be a challenge, ngl

[gusty arrow]

...

Well nowadays the new generation speak more English, so I guess that's that

Gonna make few talks

[fringe sphinx]

Yup, and a tip: the goal of meeting with people is to listen. Not to talk.

[hearty island]

interview's done!

[regal axle]

How did it go 👀!?

[gritty rivet]

If you want a career in programming the default route is to get a degree in computer science.

If you just want to know concretely what kinds of jobs require Python, check the job listings in your city or country

[hearty island]

i think it went well, i had examples for each question

[regal axle]

Nice! 🤞
The grind is finally paying off

[hearty island]

she had a ton of behavioral questions for me and then it turned into a conversation at the end

she was like i see you have so many internships on your resume, how did you so many?

[undone jay]

Yo

[hearty island]

(i asked questions of my own too)

[undone jay]

Wassup peeps, anybody know anything on indentation errors ?

[hearty island]

wrong spot, try #python-discussion

[undone jay]

My bad, thanks

[hearty island]

np!

here comes l3 harris

[harsh hatch]

is it worth to learn flask???????

or should i go for django??

[white relic]

worth what?

[coral mauve]

Is their any online course from where I can learn selenium from scratch

I am not able to find any end to end good enough course

[white relic]

This channel is for career discussion. Try #python-discussion maybe

[cinder pecan]

Hi everyone, I wanted to ask if some of you are extroverted and are working in IT and how well that combination works for you. Im quite anxious about regretting what I wanna study at university and not being able to make a fulfilling job out of it

[smoky quest]

Luckily, engineers don't have to work in caves for the past few decades 🙂

There is a place for all types of people, from introverts to extrovert

[gritty rivet]

Personally I'm pretty introverted, but I work with a lot of extroverts. Many of them prefer architecture, sales engineering and management roles where they don't actually do that much coding, but their technical knowledge is still essential

[karmic cipher]

Who’s Intrested in ai

[smoky quest]

Lot's of people are interested in ai considering its impact and scope

[hidden bloom]

kk thanks

[hidden bloom]

is this too wordy?

in the computer i was planning to put a pic of my github? but i only have one project on there lol - or what i could do is put a pic of arch graphene or xmr related in the computer that way i can take out the last bullet?

should i remove the html / css from the bottom? - is it unecessary ?

[vapid jay]

how much does it cost to make a website?

[hidden bloom]

i dont want to put my own github in there because there is only one project there.. so idk if i shld put that on the comptuer lol

[hearty island]

l3harris soon!!

[white relic]

A screengrab of github could work but I'd make the browser window small first so it's basically just the header and your name and it looks good on the slide. Then it doesn't matter how many projects you have

[hidden bloom]

shld i just put code from my cloud based file system up on the computer or would the code look too wordy?

[hidden bloom]

my github username is not my real name it is a psyudonym.. so they won't be able to tell maybe?

[white relic]

Putting your favorite tech on there (Arch logo, etc.) would also work. Or even just a picture of your cat tbh

I wouldn't personally use my favorite OS as one of my interests, but maybe I'm just not as interested as you

[white relic]

I mean they're going to assume the account is yours when you flash it on the screen

[hidden bloom]

i am not flashing it? i just keep it as an image inside the computer

[white relic]

When you go to that slide I mean

If it has an image of a github account with a name they're going to know that's your gh

[hidden bloom]

iwas just gonna have that be the first slide? i dont see the point in having a title slide..?

since im starting off with about me. i only have 5 mins to present thisentire thing

[white relic]

Sure

My point is why would it matter if your github username isn't your real name

when somebody sees it they aren't going to think "how do I know that's really you?"

[hidden bloom]

idk if i want to display this on the screentho lol

it might make me look bad obviously im not just displaying that but they could see it if they look into the img

[white relic]

no

[hidden bloom]

im displaying the entire like profile page but my github looks grim not very active so idkkk

[white relic]

don't put the whole profile page on there, it's going to be tiny and unreadable anyway

[hidden bloom]

the entire profile page includes contributions tho that is whta im saying but ur saying crop it out??

[hidden bloom]

thats the point tho - they dont have to read it but they will be able to recognise its github lol

[white relic]

make your browser window really small so the only things visible are basically the github logo and your avatar and username

and maybe like one line of whatever's below that depending on what size looks best

screengrab that for your presentation

[hidden bloom]

do u mean the browser window in the presentation (like the desktop icon) or just like take a smaller cropped out picture

[white relic]

take a smaller picture

[hidden bloom]

this looks just as bad

what if i just right code like this or is that bad

[lilac sequoia]

why do you need to show which distros you use?

[white relic]

what I was saying is to screengrab the whole browser window, but just make it small first

when you shrink the browser window down the avatar gets smaller

[hidden bloom]

just funfact idk it looks like there needs to be more content on screen

[white relic]

you can even set your status because that's what's right under your username

[feral kraken]

i want to learn game development

[hidden bloom]

do u mean like this having the browser squished down so its like vertical and then take a pic of the vertical github view instead?

[lilac sequoia]

honestly, I don't understand all this jerkin off on distros so maybe I am the problem here, but for me, it looks strange, you may share what frameworks you use or logos of the projects you have created

[white relic]

yes

[hidden bloom]

fair i wont put logos down then - i just am interested in them idk

[smoky quest]

no different than putting up your favorite band

[hidden bloom]

i dont actually need them to know i run arch lol idfc it just could be relevant show i have passion for stuff outside of the job?

[smoky quest]

if that's your own website, you should talk about stuff you are passionate about, be it distributions, languages, etc.

[hidden bloom]

its not a website its a presentation for assemsnet centre

[smoky quest]

fair enough. I would still say the same thing in the about you.
People can be passionate about all sorts of things

[hidden bloom]

this looks to boring even if i the github image in the computer ? does it not? or is this a good amount of content

[vast spire]

Will we ever be replaced by AI?

[lilac sequoia]

yes

[vast spire]

So the computers will code instead of people?

[lilac sequoia]

I wouldn't say Arch shows your passion for programming, for me it looks kinda weird but I guess it also depends on which position you apply. If it is a sys admin or devops type of position then probably that would be beneficial. Probably I am just acting too judgemental right now so sorry

[hidden bloom]

wym - so i can talk abt xmr / arch / graphene - cus i am passionate abt those things?

[vast spire]

I don't know they are dangerously smart

[white relic]

this channel is for career discussion, not AI fearmongering

[hidden bloom]

its calm i appreciate the advice nonetheless

[lilac sequoia]

I think computers will just replace us at some point

[hidden bloom]

iit looks better with logos removed right? does writing simple code look bad or nah?

[true harness]

what language is that

[smoky quest]

The about page can give some color about yourself

[hidden bloom]

its meant to be c++ lol

[hidden bloom]

its not an actual page lol this is a powerpoint presentation slide... this is just slide 1 i only have 3 slides - 5 minutes to present.

[lilac sequoia]

not sure, using code to say something is overused IMO

[smoky quest]

I have used the terms page and slides interchangeably.

[hidden bloom]

so just having it as about me and then those two dashes is better?

[hidden bloom]

do u mean make the about_me.html text have colour?

[smoky quest]

no. When someone say that something gives some color about someone else, it means it gives some context about them. It makes them more humans and less of a name on a piece of paper

It's not just candidate number 4343, but an actual human being with some passions and interests, with a life beyond that interview

[hidden bloom]

i dont think i have time to talk in depth abt my passions / interests icl but trust my personality will come off with what i say just idt it shows in the slides ig?

like this is just a supporting visual so they know just in case they forget what im saying? this is sorta irrelevant

[white relic]

If you want to put info in code, I'd make it less noisy ```cpp
MyName() {
major = "Computer Science";
origin = UNITED_STATES;
}

[smoky quest]

You don't have to write a book about them. Just mentioning them is more than enough.

[hidden bloom]

so i was mentioning arch / xmr / graphene cus thats what im interested in - i had the logos but the other person said it was eh...

[smoky quest]

You are going to find conflicting opinions on the Internet 🙂
At the end of the day, you are the decision maker

(as long as you agree with my opinions)

[hidden bloom]

fair

do u think mentionin gmy university is irrelevant i feel like it is i can just say it idkkk

im putting bluejay on the screen cus thats how i first got introduced to programming - and i will be saying that whilst speaking- that feels far more relevant

[lyric wharf]

howd u make that???

[hidden bloom]

powerpoint presentation

[lyric wharf]

ohhhhh

but wb the code?

[hidden bloom]

wym? its not actual code

[white relic]

I like it 🤷‍♂️ opinions may differ, as recursive pointed out

[lyric wharf]

well what about the text? and like the numbers on the side? i'm not saying i dont like it, it's sick, i just want to know how to make one

[smoky quest]

I am a bit confused why you want to show screenshot about how you got introduced to programming and not something that is a better reflection of the you from today, who is a dynamic, skilled and knowledgeable engineer

If someone shows me stuff for beginners, I will think they are beginners

[hidden bloom]

cus i just mention how i got into programming when i talk to talk about my story?

so since i mention bluej thot i migth as well put a pic of it on the screen

it looks better than putting my github up icl

[smoky quest]

people are simple minded. They will associate you with bluejay and beginners

I would suggest to put something else that shows you have grown beyond the beginner stage

[hidden bloom]

if i put actual code it gets too wordy?

and then if i put a diff image i would have to talk abt it - and i dont have time? i dont want to spend more than 30 seconds on the introduction

[smoky quest]

• If the concept of that screen doesn't work, then remove it
• you can use anything other than blue jay, paw patrol, teletubbies or anything that will make people think of you as a kiddish/baby/beginner
• You could put a stylized headshot of yourself, a screenshot of a more professional software (ex: pycharm), or whatever else you want as long as it does not conflict with my previous bullets

[hidden bloom]

kk not a picture of myself, a random pic of pycharm feels off if im not mentioning it either, if u put a pic up on a slide - i was taught to mention it - it shld be relevant to what ur saying idk

[hidden bloom]

does the code acc have to be syntaxily correct cus technicaly in the c++ constructor u would have parameters etc.

[hearty island]

NOOOO I HUNG UP ON MY INTERVIEWER AS HE WAS SAYING BYE

[hidden bloom]

or is it fine for it not to be for readability sake - or will it being wrong make me look dumb?

[smoky quest]

tbh, you don't have to go over every details on a slide. As such, you don't have to explain whatever is inside that screen

[smoky quest]

It's an art between taking liberties for readability and claiming nerd points

[hidden bloom]

kk i chose prior

[lyric wharf]

i can sense ur panic

[hearty island]

ooh my interviewer went to RIT, i even mentioned RIT in my interview

[hearty island]

yea i am worried

[lyric wharf]

uh oh

[hidden bloom]

cus the 'larger codebase' stuff speaks for itself like i dont think it needs further explanation? also i should change the icons ofc

[lapis wind]

I would re-arange it a lil bit

[lapis wind]

Larger codebase at the bottom, learn from xyz at the top, knowledge in the middle

[hidden bloom]

i dont need extra text in the html tags tho right cus the big text like larger codebase speaks for itself and i dont want it to be too wordy

[lapis wind]

Yeah i think it looks pretty good as is

[hidden bloom]

shld i change it to learn from colleageues? or keep it as 'learned from experience proffesionals' - the second option seems like im bootlicking

[white relic]

He likely didn't notice. Even if he did, he likely didn't give it a second thought. I suggest you don't either. These things happen.

[hidden bloom]

but rn the html tag text is not actual text - im just wondering if i shld put actual relevant text in those tags

[hearty island]

yeah i just sent him and the prior interviewer for UHG a thank you email

(hopefully something good happens in the next 2 weeks)

[lapis wind]

I think that would be a good change yeah

[hidden bloom]

shld i also change it to 'experience enteprise codebase'

[fringe sphinx]

Don’t stress that. -that- happens all the time on business calls. Totally normal

[hidden bloom]

so learn from collageus > learn from experienced professionals

[lapis wind]

yeah, the "experience enterprise codebase" also sounds a bit bootlicky,

[hidden bloom]

so just keep it as 'larger codebase' or 'work on large codebase'

[hidden bloom]

how about 'experience large codebase'

[lapis wind]

I think "work on ..." is better

[buoyant seal]

What is this list for? 🤔
School presentation for your job orientation research?

[hidden bloom]

assemsnet centre internship presentation

we were asked as to what we hope to gain out of the internship - hard to make it specific to company as the job advert is very vague so this is the best i can do - a bunch of genralities

help me with wording - i want it concise but not too general / unspecific. cus its a slide don't want too many words

shld i put OOP instead of problem solving? should i put version control instead of collaboration ? shld i put agile instead of 'organisation?

[white relic]

When is this presentation?

[buoyant seal]

possible options i can offer:

• learning how to write good productional code with unit tests 😅 (it will be funny if they don't write them though, not really a small chance for that)
• learning to complete tasks in a large code base.
• learning to communicate properly in order to get all task requirements and completing them into a right direction.
• learning best software development practices applicable to company environment.

[hidden bloom]

nov 29th but i have to submit slides to them by 24th friday

[hidden bloom]

thx i like this but its way too wordy for one slide?

[buoyant seal]

shrugs. feel free to refactor to more short form. I tried to word them in a way there will be no miscommunication 😅

[hidden bloom]

i appreciate it but its too much for a singular slide but ya i will consider

[white relic]

You've been working on this a lot today. Aren't you in the UK? Getting late there

[hidden bloom]

lol that is one way of telling me to be quiet

[white relic]

Not really my intention

But I do think you're very close to this and you're tunnel visioning a little

[hidden bloom]

i trust u, im just joking but even if u r srs i understand y u would be annoyed

[white relic]

Might be time to lay it aside and come back tomorrow with fresh eyes

[hidden bloom]

very close to what exactly?

im patiently waiting for my eureka moment

[buoyant seal]

btw, u can fit all those phrases in a large font i think if u will just split screen to 4 squares
Optionally we can invent shorter headers to them

• Unit testing
  • learning how to write good productional code with unit tests 😅 (it will be funny if they don't write them though, not really a small chance for that)
• Large code base
  • learning to complete tasks in a large code base.
• Gathering requirements
  • learning to communicate properly in order to get all task requirements and completing them into a right direction.
• Best practices
  • learning best software development practices applicable to company environment.

[hidden bloom]

no way not on one slide maybe if i had multiple but tbh i want to keep it three slides one for each question

[white relic]

In the sense that when you're working on something for a long time you start to lose sight of the overall goal and become hyper focused on details.

[hidden bloom]

yeah but details are very important the wording is esp important considering slides are not meant to have a lot of words...

[white relic]

Being detail oriented is often an asset in engineering, but it's also important to be able to step back and look at the overall picture, put yourself in the shoes of somebody who hasn't been looking at it all day. I feel like several pieces of advice I've given you in this channel have been along these lines

Making PowerPoints is an artistic endeavor as well as a technical one

[ivory talon]

ok but wrong channel for that (use offtopic the next time)

[slate sapphire]

i feel like considering you have your bachelors experience will be more important now

[white relic]

It depends on what field you go into.
AI/ML stuff is big right now, but that's PhD heavy; a master's might not even be enough. On the other hand if you end up in web development the experience is probably going to be more valuable.

Don't neglect the possibility of finishing your master's while working

[vapid jay]

Your decision should align with your career goals and preferences. Consider the practical experience you're gaining in your current job and weigh its value against the theoretical nature of your master's program. In the tech industry, hands-on experience often holds significant weight, but some roles may benefit from advanced degrees. It's worth evaluating your long-term aspirations and how each option contributes to them. Additionally, seek advice from professionals in your desired field to gather diverse perspectives.

[vapid jay]

We answered at the same time 😭

[smoky quest]

In general, education is worth more than experience.
But the implication here is that you should not aim for a bsc job with a masters, in which case, why having a masters in the first place?

A masters will help you go deeper in topics and open more doors. Whether these doors are of interest to you is a different matter

[smoky quest]

a masters is great for applied AI/ML. For research a phd would be best

[white relic]

Makes sense.

[brazen island]

Where are you from? This is crucial to answer your question corectly

Okay my follow-up advice then is to look for Swedish people and to ask them the same question 😄 I don't know exactly how the Swedish market and job culture is. What I know is that a lot of advice on the internet is not applicable to various European countries (I live in one of them as well).

[limpid drift]

Hello all. I am a new python learner and I am planning to become a python developer (switching from 15+ years exp in graphic designing), this world is so new to me, as a beginner, and to find the first job, what should I learn to be job ready? Also how much would I expect as a starting salary

[white relic]

Starting new with no relevant degree nor experience is hard. Can you somehow leverage your existing experience in graphic design to make a lateral move?

[regal axle]

as a beginner, and to find the first job, what should I learn to be job ready?
Depends what your career goals are and what you want to get into. But if you are just starting, you are too new to be thinking about getting a (good) job in programming.

how much would I expect as a starting salary
Again, depends. But this one will depend on time you spend learning. If you just take a code monkey position, it can be something like 60k-70k. But if you actually spend the time to learn the trade, it will be closer to 90k-120k. Some people get paid more, some less. Locality also has a play in this ... etc etc.

So first I would start by defining what your goals are and your expected timelines. From there, a more clear picture can be painted for you

[white relic]

You may expect to take a few years to learn and build experience, so don't quit your day job yet. You'll be competing for entry level jobs with people who do have relevant degrees and project portfolios. Precise salaries vary widely by location.

[limpid drift]

Thanks @white relic and @upper iron . Really helpful answers. I am more inclined towards machine learning and tool development. I am developing some simple tools to help me in my graphic designing. Like automating a few things. I would definitely want to enter a field where I can create tools for my current line of work.

[regal axle]

Tooling and ML are very different. But yes, tooling is a great route to go. Just keep making tools for you and your co-workers. (also how dare there be another Joshie in this server )

[limpid drift]

Ah sorry, I tagged the wrong Joshie. Yes. I am trying to build my way up through tools and then slowly move to ML

[regal axle]

ML is hard to get into. And it has a lot of potential. But it also requires a lot more time to learn everything you need to know. So keeping your day job and learning programming through tools is a good route to go

[hearty island]

the l3harris interview was very interesting

[white relic]

How did it go?

[hearty island]

they were like yeah we’re building radios for the military and using oracle ERP systems to do so

[limpid drift]

Thank you. I will do that. Thanks Joshie.

[hearty island]

they asked tons of questions, i don’t even remember all of the ones they asked me but i did have responses to each one. a lot more improvised compared to the uhg interview, it wasn’t just standard behavioral questions

they kinda were like yeah i think with your project management experience you could make a solid contribution to this team

[white relic]

Great! I hope you get an offer.

[hearty island]

thank you!! it would be really great. i also asked the security clearance question you mentioned and he said the role im applying to doesn’t require one

[white relic]

That's good. Be aware that not having one will limit your mobility within the company. (Knew people who had this problem due to not being eligible)

[hearty island]

that’s not good…

[white relic]

But that's not a problem unless you plan to make l3harris part of your long term career. You've got time to think about it.

[hearty island]

that’s true

[chilly furnace]

I'm talking about a bachelor's degree and yeah it's unusual alright. It's hard to explain but I do have it.

[white relic]

And by time I mean like at least several years. Plenty of time to get some solid experience and find another job

[chilly furnace]

It took special planning to get it that fast

[hearty island]

in the mean time, i guess i’ll continue applying to other jobs and seeing what happens

[white relic]

Many people who overachieve as students report being kind of lost when they hit the "real world". I imagine in your case COVID might have also come into play?

[chilly furnace]

Yeah probably covid came into play

[white relic]

I'm bored and being nosy, no need to provide details

But did you have a question to ask?

[true harness]

why did you major in CS?

[chilly furnace]

I don't have a question to ask, I think.

I don't know why I majored in CS.

[turbid bobcat]

linked lists can be annoying, but I am close to mastering them little devils

[hearty island]

the interviewer that spoke to me at uhg was like idk if you're getting lucky or anything like that but i think it's amazing how many internships you've gotten

[white relic]

It is a bit surprising

[hearty island]

i was like i think it speaks to my dedication and perseverance to try and get practical experience, it definitely took luck too

[hearty island]

i also mentioned how u of waterloo kinda inspired me to get as many internships as i could (which is true)

[severe eagle]

What's that mean ?

Why equal 15 ?

[smoky quest]

Hi!
It's the wrong place to ask as this channel is about careers.
You may want to ask in #python-discussion or check out #❓｜how-to-get-help

[dim flame]

I just started my journey as a Computer Science student. I was wondering if I can get advice from professionals in the industry for a good Tech Stack

Would learning the MERN stack along with C# and Asp.net be good? I don't really like C++ because its too advanced and I think its hard to get entry level jobs with python

[smoky quest]

If you are starting, tech stacks don't matter.
Focus on the fundamentals and the learning

If anything, don't specialize in a tech stack because the field is so much bigger

[stoic plinth]

this isnt a python specific question but, what A levels are best for the computer science field

[zealous path]

Kinda depends what you wanna get into.
Sciences are generally good as not only do they have maths but they are the most likely to have a computing component.

Cause computing 3D models of cells and a ML model of human interactions are 2 very different parts of computing

[pliant wasp]

could somebody review my resume for me?

[white relic]

You can post it here (with private information blacked out)

[crude wing]

Hey all, I came from a non-tech background and earned a data analytics certification where I worked as a DA for 8 months. Now I'm looking to expand into Data Engineering. I know SQL and basic Python. Can anyone provide some advice on how to get into this market?

[lean tulip]

I just boosted!

[near ocean]

The simplest advice would be to look up data eng job ads and get an idea of what they ask for and learn that

sql and python is definitely on the right track

[crude wing]

That gets so crazy. There's about 40 tools that all handle overlapping tasks. And they want you to know half of them. But then the next job desc asks that you know the other half.

[vapid jay]

The opposite is also true... (Not from the us) Since the tests were either automated, or more anonymized
The students that were preferred by teachers, "somehow" they were scoring less than their average...

[oak oak]

Can u list.sort() by smallest words to biggeat word

[ember vigil]

list.sort(key = len) should work

[white relic]

This channel is for career discussion

[oak oak]

Damn i didnt add that 😔

Sorry i just didnt wanna open a thread for a simple question my bad

[ember vigil]

I don't know how I ended up here thought this was #python-discussion lol mb

[white relic]

It happens, nbd

[near ocean]

It is what it is, find the most common tools and go through them with simple projects

[crude wing]

I've been trying to focus on what actually interests me and what I feel is needed in the businesses in my area. Data capture and transformation is what I feel is needed most, so I want to go down that avenue. But no one is "hiring" for this role in my area. My belief is that this role is outside the budget for many of the local businesses, but new tools are coming out everyday that make ETL and IoT data captures more accessible and affordable. So maybe I can specialize in low cost, high quality data systems and offer them to companies for a fraction of what they think it would cost.

Please let me know if this makes sense or if I'm delusional.

[west sorrel]

hi

[hearty island]

so for my current internship i'm developing problem management courses for execs at the company

it's like a #1051603408597024828 moment but for an internship

[white relic]

Somehow I feel Executives shouldn't need an intern to teach them how to handle problems

Not that I doubt the value of your work

[hearty island]

i absolutely agree with you. i'm an "internal biz consultant" for the company. whatever that means lol

[hearty island]

how am i supposed to be a consultant at the ripe age of 22? 😭

[tidal lotus]

hello?

[hearty island]

i done goofed and said let's meet thursday not realizing thurday is thanksgiving

[white relic]

Everybody does that

I have coworkers in other countries where Thanksgiving is just Thursday and sometimes it's hard to remember that they may be in the office but I won't

[hearty island]

i came up with an idea to include a case study in the course to show how problem management works. my manager loved the idea

[turbid bobcat]

hi, any tips on how to do white boarding ? like, writing out the algo on paper as diagrams before implementing the solution. I can sketch out stuff of course, just wondering if there is any standard way to do it in CS

[lapis wind]

I think it differs from person and company mostly. Although I rare do whiteboarding for a specific algo, I love Excalidraw for doing high-level sketches of how the system and code interacts with one another.

Otherwise for more technical stuff, Lucid chart is fairly common

[fringe sphinx]

Fwiw, managers and business people in general -love- case studies. If you don’t already, start reading Harvard Business Review… some great content.

[hearty island]

awesome. yeah my idea is to take a couple servicenow tickets, anonymize the logs, and then have the people taking the course develop questions just like how problem managers develop questions on their calls

[hearty island]

city of atlanta only let me ask like one question

the interview was kinda bad ngl

one of the interviewers were like what's your experience with developing clean drinking water systems and CCTV?

[graceful dock]

is it possible to get job after career break of 2-3 years in IT ?will HR reject the application if they see my job gap ? any tips to get a job? already have 5 years of experience.

if any HR here pls advice

[true harness]

it would depend on the reason for the gap. a gap on its own is not disqualifying

[hearty island]

i was like i don't have any experience in that, but i am confident that i can learn quickly by talking with SMEs, asking questions, and adapting

[true harness]

need to give an example of when you learned something new quickly

[hearty island]

i gave an example of how quickly i learned power bi for the dashbboard i built last summer

and how i did it

[brazen island]

We have a whiteboard in our office space and we use it all the time. It's not something you need to "learn" I think, just a natural way of communicating. There's no real "rules" 🙂

[hearty island]

before you guys went to grad school, did y'all have conversations with your profs who you wanted reccs from?

i'm going to grad school in a couple years (not immediately) so i don't know when to have that convo

[turbid bobcat]

I understand that. Reason I ask is because for example in physics, there are canonical ways of drawing certain entities, for example you'll usually draw an arrow to represent a vector.

[hearty island]

dang, northrop grumman keeps saying no to me

[white relic]

Do you have a geographical location you're looking in? (defense contractors being dense in certain locations, just curious)

[hearty island]

not really, i'm open to working anywhere in the US

[white relic]

sensible

[hearty island]

yeah i figured i'd keep my options open

[gritty rivet]

Ideal scenario... More then one prof already loves you and wants to work you with before you even apply to the program.

More typical... By the time you choose which offer to accept, you at least have some names in mind of profs you might like to work with and have had some contact, preferably an in person meeting

Caveat that my grad degrees are in social science but I think it works vaguely the same in other fields like CS

[hearty island]

hmm, ok. yeah i do have some professors in mind i'd like a recommendation from that like me

[gritty rivet]

Sorry, I misread the question, I was thinking about profs in the graduate program you want to enter...

For recommendation letters... Yes, the more you can discuss the letter with them the better. You might not need to meet, but I would let them know what you want them to discuss and convey in your letter.

[hearty island]

got it

[brazen island]

There's UML and ERD and so on but those conventions can be hard to grok, especially for non-tech folk, so I simplify my whiteboard notation to words, arrows and cardinalities.

[twin juniper]

How to do the histogram?

[hearty island]

try #1035199133436354600

[glad lion]

hello, i have a strong knowledge of python and now can t decide in which are to continue(web dev or data analyst) do you have any tips?

[fringe sphinx]

If masters, I don’t think it matters tremendously. Just get a couple of refs now and file it away. (But my experience is solely that of doing masters while working)

[hearty island]

got it, will do. thanks for the advice.

[regal axle]

Yes. I knew that grad school was my goal so after a point of building a relationship with someone, I made it clear I wanted a letter of rec and asked them if they would be willing to write me one when the time came. You can always reach out to them later. But it is easier while you are near them

[hearty island]

word

[turbid bobcat]

Yeah I'm gonna stick with arrows and stuff. Has been working out.

I have now reached the 100 leetcodes milestone

[sand hawk]

"squares and arrows"

everytime i see an interesting video my body screams "quit your job" cause I know I'll never get to do anything interesting engineering wise

[white relic]

Well, that's generally a good idea, provided you find a new and more interesting job first

[zealous sable]

hola buenas tardes, algun programador de python de argentina?

[turbid bobcat]

Hola, creo que tienes que hablar Ingles

[zealous sable]

Hello, good afternoon, any python programmer from Argentina?

[fleet reef]

https://discord.gg/hablemospython
https://discord.gg/programacion

[zealous sable]

thanks you

[hearty island]

guys, i need help deciphering something

what on god’s green earth does this mean?

[analog sun]

"Hey we aren't ghosting you, we are still waiting on the decision from the hiring manager"

Is my impression

[hearty island]

pretty quick response considering i interviewed with them yesterday

[true harness]

that looks very templatey ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[hearty island]

agreed

[analog sun]

In that case it could be the generic post-interview email

[hearty island]

so i'm not getting my hopes up then

[smoky quest]

sounds like they have a few more interns in the pipeline and will make a final decision

It could be because you only did okay, or they really want to interview a few more they already had scheduled

[hearty island]

probably after thanksgiving, i'll get some sample rejection email 😦

this is worse than not hearing back at all

https://tenor.com/view/my-disappointment-is-immeasurable-and-gif-20080022

[smoky quest]

you didn't get rejected

[hearty island]

i know, not yet at least

[hearty island]

i'm just going to write a generic thank you email to the recruiter CC'd on the email

[smoky quest]

feel free to highlight some cool interactions and appreciation

thank you emails that don't feel generic always have an impact

[hearty island]

yep, will do. thanks for the advice!

[fringe sphinx]

I take this as a positive sign. Feel good about yourself.

[hearty island]

thanks!!

[hearty island]

i think the "let me know if you have any offers" part is promising

[summer roost]

The company has no incentive to pretend they're still thinking about it when they've already made a decision. The only reason to say they're still thinking about whether to hire you is that they're still thinking about it.

[summer roost]

And yep, that corroborates that they don't want to miss out on a chance to hire you.

[hidden bloom]

i feel like artistically i have it down / the theme etc. but in terms of wording i need to like edit that a bit

[hearty island]

so let's see what happens after thanksgiving

[buoyant seal]

Sounds like a normal notification that decision will be made quickly. It means literally what it means.

In dev cycles at least, people are often having multiple competing offers. This letter was helping to ensure they will be able to catch u first if it is within your desires

[white relic]

Word choice, how much detail to put in, jokes, all have as much art to them as the visual aspects do. To say nothing of the performance (delivering the presentation)

[white relic]

^ reply bamboozled by discord ui

[safe coral]

@fringe sphinx are you around

[peak halo]

If you're going to ping someone to get their attention, at least tell them the thing you were planning to tell them once you have it.

[safe coral]

I was gonna ask him if I should follow a masters in CS instead

[peak halo]

You said you wanted to do nlp for Turkish, right? Yes, you probably should.

[safe coral]

so not DS but CS? @peak halo My CS masters program doesnt have NLP tho

[peak halo]

But the data science one does?

[safe coral]

yup let me show you the CS program I got in https://catalog.njit.edu/graduate/computing-sciences/computer-science/ms/index.html

https://www.njit.edu/academics/degree/ms-artificial-intelligence-online omg their AI masters have that one! Should I do masters in AI?

[peak halo]

I'm not sure. Getting a master's in AI as a distinct thing from getting a master's in CS is a new concept.

It remains to be seen if those programs are good or if employers perceive them as valuable.

[safe coral]

Yeah I will do CS Masters

[brazen island]

For what it's worth, my first degree is one that employers don't know by name. I kind of like it because it gives me the space to sell it as whatever I want (within reason).

I personally did a MSc AI afterwards but it's a 30+ year old program with strong "brand recognition" here. That also has merit. I don't know if that's the case for the one you're considering.

[oak vigil]

just asking, is anybody here finding data analyst an alienating job?

not meaning to offense but, since i study to become a data analyst, i feel estranged from the people around me.

[fringe sphinx]

I really don’t have an opinion on this. I’m CS and in data engineering, so CS makes sense in my world. Just depends on where you want to take your career.

[rugged tundra]

hi new friends

people always recommend JS and Python as a first language. I have been told that it's hard to secure a job using Python as a self taught dev with no CS degree (the person who gave me this advice is the CTO of a relatively successful tech company).

so I'm kind of curious, for most people who learn python first, are they actually securing positions using python as a first role? or is it more a case of learn python just because it's a nice first language to learn but end up having to do web dev/JS most of the time as a first role anyway? if not, what type of entry level python positions can a self taught dev realistically secure?

[fringe sphinx]

In this channel, the usual response is: the clearest path to a SWE job is through a CS degree… in other words, we agree with that CTO. Remember that the job is SWE, not ‘Python programmer’. Just like a carpenter is not hired as a ‘hammer swinger’. It takes more than one skill to land a full time programming job.

[lapis wind]

Most of the time, you will be expected to know or learn multiple languages, the difference is once you've learnt one language it is much easier to learn the second, third, etc...

In my first job I was doing: Py, JS, C#, Java, TS, Rust and Ruby

[fringe sphinx]

(Agree with CF8): as far as jobs you could look for: there are many different entry points in tech. Help desk, operations, and QA have lower pre-requisites and can be used to get a foothold. Some people find roles at smaller companies who need web devs, or people to work on smallish problems: this requires a bit of networking and luck, in addition to preparation.

[vapid jay]

I need help selecting elective course next year ...

Can anyone help specify group and which group to select

I m kinda not interested in network essentials

[twilit kraken]

What are you taking/want to be in the future

[vapid jay]

Backend developer
I m intrested in both

But all it goes down to future like are they worth like will that have value in future and job options and etc

[rugged tundra]

Thank you both for the replies @fringe sphinx and @lapis wind

Actually, I am a self taught developer, after getting the advice from the CTO I know I did end up moving to JS and stuck with it, which led me to securing my first web dev role.

I did initially start learning to code with Python though, and I'd really like to pick it up again but it wouldn't benefit me in my current role. I'm more curious about what sort of entry level roles could I realistically go for where Python is actually used.

If I wasn't fussed about the language/technology I wouldn't bother and could just stick with php (which is actually what I code most in now).

[twilit kraken]

Probably Web scripting, cloud computing, and (unfortunately) network lol but don't just take my advice just do some research

[vapid jay]

Didn't u said all 3
Like does group A include mobile devloper if i m right or web developer ?

Here is list of subject followup to it's next sem

[fringe sphinx]

If you have web dev skills, it seems natural to do some full stack work if that interests you. Perhaps a Python flask backend for a web app?

[regal axle]

Group A seems the worst. Group B and C are way better. I don’t do network stuff at all. But having had taken a class in it; it helps to understand how the things I do works. And what technologies are out there. I wouldn’t look at this list as “what is the most marketable” because electives won’t get you to market. (You need to do extra things on your own on the side). With that said, A seems to be offering the worst options imo

[vapid jay]

I m intrested in mobile development

People sayin A isn't good
I m not interested in c

[regal axle]

It’s not that A is horrible. It just also doesn’t seem like it would be the best use of time.

[buoyant seal]

Then just take group A
It is the most backend oriented.
PHP courses are backend, even mobile is still software engineering problem the most close to web development (mobile is just mobile front for web hehe)

Second group with machine learning
And third group as QA look to me far less relevant

I could recommend learning not PHP for backend though eventually

[modern ore]

@unreal turtle yo

[hearty island]

https://youtu.be/VHZDxOmRthE

i kinda agree with this

i mean you're not supposed to memorize solutions, but you kind of do after solving them for a while

the same way you memorize the keys on your keyboard

[modern ore]

I dont think this is any new take

[hearty island]

meh for me it kinda is i only started grinding leetcode recently

[modern ore]

I thought you were targeting PM, did you get google tpm interview?

[hearty island]

i'm targeting more analyst roles, PM is kinda hard to break into fresh out of college. biz analysts that can code are nice

[modern ore]

they ask leetcode for analyst? also did you get amazon offer?

[hearty island]

nothing from amazon 😦

[modern ore]

I just interviewed for ML SWE intern role, I hope I get to the next round, I told em I was playin around with fortniet custom game, and attempted to make valorant aimbot in python 😹

[hearty island]

but but i did interview for uhg and l3harris this week

[modern ore]

uhg?

[hearty island]

big healthcare company HQ in minnesota

[modern ore]

Are you targeting a specific TC or just a new grad job?

[hearty island]

i'm targeting healthcare IT roles

[true harness]

how's it going

[modern ore]

i got ft return offer lmao, but I am interview for mlswe intern role 😭

[hearty island]

boujee

[modern ore]

not really. I got rejected everywhere after 300+ apps

school gap ong

[hearty island]

i can relate to the rejections

[near ocean]

Is the jane street dream dead

[modern ore]

Nah

[hearty island]

i was about to say, isn't this the quant or rope guy?

[near ocean]

Or was it a σσ dream

[modern ore]

it was citadel dream, got rejected again after perfect oa 🛌

[true harness]

nice 🎉

[modern ore]

@near ocean whats your TC btw?

[hearty island]

that's... quite a question

[near ocean]

Im in a different country lol

[modern ore]

ofc

[modern ore]

still curious, i thought you were in london or sum sht

[near ocean]

Yea

[hearty island]

lol when i was little i used to ask my dad how much he made and he'd be like pennies

[modern ore]

So what is it, Im curious

[near ocean]

Im on 45 rn

[true harness]

an hour? a year?

[modern ore]

450k/y?

[near ocean]

A year, its salary not hourly

[hearty island]

my boss had the audacity to ask me how much i'd make at my new internship and i just said i'm not willing to disclose that

[modern ore]

why not, should've told em

[hearty island]

none of their business tbh

[near ocean]

No reason to tell your past employers anything

[hearty island]

bingo

[modern ore]

i mean if you're open about it, i dont see no harm

[near ocean]

If i made this kind of money i wouldnt be on discord rn

[modern ore]

why not? You can still be a loser and be rich

[near ocean]

Cause i'd probably retire and be on an island by now

[modern ore]

wait your current tc is 45k in london, london is lcol right

[near ocean]

London is super hcol

[fringe sphinx]

Correct answer, well handled.

[fringe sphinx]

To be fair, as an employer/hiring manager I do want to know: I want to know when my comp packages are too far off. I’ve had to correct a few times

[hearty island]

true

[modern ore]

Maybe they were willing to give you return with competitive pay 🤔

[hearty island]

they didn't want to raise my wage by $3, i doubt they'd give a return with competitive pay

[modern ore]

You asked for 3 dollar raise?

[hearty island]

they deadass said we'll raise it by $1, you can pay for your gas money better and maybe take your girlfriend out on weekends

[near ocean]

Not a good idea to entertain counteroffers

Especially in startups

[hearty island]

i didn't ask for one, they mentioned it in the summer before i returned from my intership during dinner

yes i got wined and dined minus the wine

[true harness]

1 dollar raise 💀

[modern ore]

You returned twice?

[hearty island]

returned once

[modern ore]

Are you in EU or sum

[modern ore]

Yea thats what I mean, 2 internship at the same company

[hearty island]

i joined, left for a big healthcare company, and rejoined. yep.

[modern ore]

why?

[hearty island]

they said i could leverage my experience that i gained from the big healthcare company at their company and i thought why not

[true harness]

did you get paid more at least

[hearty island]

where, big healthcare company? yeah

[true harness]

no, when you went back

[hearty island]

so um they kinda dodged me for a couple weeks and then "forgot" to increase my pay after we had the conversation about it. i had to walk into HR's office and ask why my wage wasn't increased

i found it super shady

[true harness]

yeah that's not great

[hearty island]

it was also super dry administrative work, but that's basically project management in a nutshell

from my understanding half of project management is babysitting people

but it's very hard to babysit people when you have no experience of their domain and exactly what they do

that's my tedtalk on project management

[dreamy isle]

I concur

[hearty island]

hey, we don't do recruiting here

[tacit condor]

Ohh sorry

[vapid jay]

honestly, follow your passion first when i started i was making 0 a month now im at the millions level thanks to python and my family.

[delicate bane]

pay for your gas money better and maybe take your girlfriend out on weekends
what is this boomer speak lmao

are you serious, not even $3. this is wild

[delicate bane]

wild

[hearty island]

ik, they were like we’ll meet up after the holidays for a performance evaluation to consider this further

[delicate bane]

yeah this is not a good look

[delicate bane]

bro you need to get out of there

[hearty island]

dw dw dw i got out, the big healthcare company gave me a return internship offer when i was at italy in the summer

i’m chilling now

they were like hey, we really liked your work at the previous internship you did with us so we’d like to see you back with us again

[summer roost]

...to McDonald's?

[hearty island]

lolll

[hearty island]

uhg is making me anxious, but i guess i have to wait till after thanksgiving. nothing from l3harris as of yet

damn that's good money

but it also depends on how much the CoL is in rochester, and idk if i even got the job sooo

and it says "low confidence" too

i don't know how much uhg is going to give me or if i got that offer

[harsh river]

it's..... not great

[hearty island]

for a new grad?

idk i was expecting something along the lines of 75K

[harsh river]

i meant the COL in rochester, you'll get a good bang for your buck depending on where in rochester you choose to live

[hearty island]

ohhhhh my bad i misinterpreted

[harsh river]

that's alright, i didn't explain clearly

[hearty island]

would you choose a development program that leads to a full time job over a full time job straight away? i'm kinda debating it if it comes down to that

[harsh river]

that sounds like an intership that leads to a FT job

[hearty island]

the development program is also full time, it's a two 6-month fulltime program

[fringe sphinx]

You know you’re an overthinker, right? You’ve had 4 internships: you’ll be fine.

[hearty island]

yeah i try not to it just happens

[hearty island]

and i had 5 internships which just further proves your point 😭

would've had 7 if i did the textron and UHG one

[vapid jay]

has anyone used this Braintrust thing? There is a freelance job that seems interesting.

[hidden bloom]

yeah i just need to focus on getting the slides in as they are do this friday.. i will practise the performance after i submit the slides

is this bad?

how about this?

let me know if the wording is off...

I have to present this at assessment centre - they told us to come prepared answering these questions

[weary sage]

I am an electrical/Electronics student but got lots of interests in software... i have been learning python for the past few years but feels like i have only learnt little.. i'm confused on what to focus on... can some one give some advise.. thanks

[novel jolt]

focus on learning algorithms and datastructures and problem solving skills... programming language does not matter end of the day... best of luck.

[weary sage]

hello friend where can i get roadmap for this or you got any course link on youtube and i'd figure out

[novel jolt]

It's been a while for me, so not a 100% sure, but geeksforgeeks.com and hackerrank.com were good resources to get started on these things

https://www.hackerrank.com/dashboard

https://www.geeksforgeeks.org/learn-data-structures-and-algorithms-dsa-tutorial/

[hidden bloom]

What if I put docker instead of Jira, and linux instead of design pattern cus ihave more knowledge about the former...?

I was only bringing up design pattern – cus I did not do design properly before –and I wanted to mention how I am learning from my past mistakes – cus that will look good?

But then that probably also makes me look bad having that mistake to begin with?

[gritty rivet]

What do you want to build? The best way to learn programming is through projects that interest you or solve a problem you care about.

[smoky quest]

This feels too much like "I know my way around a screw driver" rather than "I can build spaceships"

[true harness]

why not use a set for skillset. that'd be much more appropriate

[hearty island]

man i love eightfold ai for recruiting systems

[hearty island]

on top of that, my boss (the one who i actually worked with) was like maybe your attention to detail and the way you contribute at work is the reason why that big healthcare company never called you back

so not like they were particularly nice to me

just curious, why does it say ordering lunches under program analyst?? i'm deleting this role from my saved immediately lmao

[hexed knoll]

if u got a little time to ask my doubt plz #1177037517124538488

[hearty island]

rejected by goldman sachs for a PM analyst role, whoopsie

i'm beginning to think it takes a blood sacrifice to get in

also, they asked how many years of experience i got after my undergrad degree. i think that's pretty much a hint it's not entry level even tho they didn't explicitly write YoE required

this question right here

[robust plaza]

Hello

Is there people from Morocco here?

[gritty rivet]

Right this moment, unlikely, but if you search the chat, I feel like there has been someone. You may have better luck on LinkedIn

[smoky quest]

You may also ask your question directly in case someone from Morocco stumbles upon it

[robust plaza]

Ok thanks

[turbid bobcat]

I honestly would not mind as long as I could order any lunch for me for free

get some of that daily sushi action

[smoky quest]

sounds more like a secretary than a project management job

[hearty island]

lol

[hearty island]

yeah fuck that lmao

[turbid bobcat]

remember traveling to a customers main office (in dubai), the top guy of the department always ordered lunch for every1, was amazing, I ate kebabs every day

im very easy to bribe

[hearty island]

love kebabs

[turbid bobcat]

indian food in general is top notch imo

my ancestors basically kickstarted the discoveries cuz of indian spices

[hearty island]

as an indian, happy to hear that

[turbid bobcat]

america exists today cuz we wanted spices

[still lotus]

Hi, im a new at python and i want to learn with this course of udemy ('100 Days of Code: The Complete Python Pro Bootcamp for 2023'), do you think that it is good to start?

[orchid mortar]

OOOH

[glass isle]

Ceberuss go for cs50 python..

[jagged falcon]

Does anybody have any reading recommendations for a hobbyist programmer that's trying to transition to a professional programmer? I have no formal CS training and recognize that I have a lot of blind spots in my knowledge, but I'm not really sure where to go to correct it. I see people talking about things like Big O notation and ASTs, and I have a surface-level knowledge of these things, but I feel like I'm misisng out on a lot.

[smoky quest]

"Introduction to Algorithms" would be a great start! It does a great job at covering the fundamentals

[jaunty veldt]

I do have a question for the people here! So I wanted to be a mechanical engineer, but last year I did some coding and loved it now I want to be a software engineer. Is it okay for me to not really any code when I get into college? And will it make it harder to get internships freshman year due to the lack of knowledge?

[pine sleet]

Are you a first year mechanical engineering student right now?

[smoky quest]

why not changing your major?

[pine sleet]

It's relatively common for college students to change their major first year

[hearty island]

i changed my major

[pine sleet]

indeed. quite common

[jagged falcon]

@smoky quest I really appreciate the suggestion. Normally I'm the type of person that would sit back and wait for a few different recommendations so that I could compare them and "pick the best one," but for whatever reason I think I am just going to go with it tonight. Thank you!

[ivory venture]

which field is easier to get into data anylitcs or software develope

[vapid jay]

Türk varmı

[crisp stream]

probably

!rule 4

[inner wren]

Rules

4. Use English to the best of your ability. Be polite if someone speaks English imperfectly.

[vapid jay]

Does anyone understand Python?

[crisp stream]

this is the #career-advice channel, you question might be better suited for #python-discussion
P.S. yes, some people understand Python in a server dedicated to Python

[pine sleet]

no, i don't think anyone understands python /s

[signal hatch]

I'm also interested in learning the language and I'm taking a course with almost 100 hours on Udemy. What books would you recommend here?

[zealous path]

What’s that?

[peak halo]

@vapid jay this is the career discussion channel, so whatever your code does probably isn't on-topic here. But if you have to say that it's a "very innocent script" and that it's for "educational purposes", that pretty much guarantees that you shouldn't discuss it on this server.
(and in the off-chance that you're serious, people usually only say that scripts are innocent and for educational purposes when they are malware.)

[peak halo]

that would be for #cybersecurity, not here (career discussion)

[quaint fulcrum]

Where can I practice interview questions to become a data scientist or a data analyst. And how important are DSA concepts to become one of these?

[twilit kraken]

Oh you're only allowed to take a group

not a course for each group my bad

[vapid jay]

Yes

[vapid jay]

I still cannot understand what to choose
Group a or b

[twilit kraken]

A makes the most sense but is kinda bad
C you said you don't want to take
B Machine learning is quite literally AI (I've taken a pre college thing an it was just boring as batshit)

also blockchain and nfts like I don't know you do what you want

[vapid jay]

B is cloud computing so is their scope ?
And a Why it's is kinda bad

[near ocean]

DSA problems are pretty important in most interview processes and you can practice them on sites like leetcode
Cant help with DS or DA interviews

[vapid jay]

DSA is my fav 🙂

[gritty rivet]

Kaggle seems popular for data science practice / portfolio projects, but not interview prep per se

[vapid jay]

@twilit kraken brother can u elaborate about a

[brave salmon]

Hi guys, sorry if I'm being blind, but is there a place to post job opportunities here?

[near ocean]

No

[brave salmon]

Shame, thanks 🙂

[twilit kraken]

Remember, two of the courses are just intros/half so you might not learn as deep(like halfway there but not exactly

that's like the only thing, but otherwise you should be fine/its a good choice

To be honest, whatever you want (b is boring and useless as shit (blockchain))

[vapid jay]

Is their any future for a
And people say their is many opportunities for b( cloud computing)

[twilit kraken]

Ok personally Im going to become and engineer right
I pick my courses orienteered towards engineering, Im only picking engineering because everybody needs engineers and offers good pay, and that it isn't as restrictive as other jobs

If you are passionate about a job, then go for it, it will allow you to do good either way
if you are just there for the money, like you said, go for the ones with potential

Its more of what you are looking for in a job

[true harness]

where is blockchain mentioned?

[gritty rivet]

Channel description has links to two job boards

[vapid jay]

It is

[true harness]

where?

[vapid jay]

Isee

I will be picking a ig
Intrest matters

[vapid jay]

It's in next sem

[true harness]

i didn't see it mentioned in the screenshots you sent

[nimble ginkgo]

Hi all. I enjoy CS a lot but I'm a terrible student. I need an internship to graduate but my GPA is holding me back. I'd love to hear how any of you guys got your foot in the door.

[hearty island]

how low are we talking? below a 3.0 on a 4.0 scale? also the first step is to not call yourself a terrible student

[vapid jay]

Anyone else notice the amount of master degrees these days for entry level roles? Almost as common as bachelors.

[hearty island]

what roles are you referring to? bc ik data science gets very competitive with that

[vapid jay]

most entry level roles doing anything in the field of IT

i bought linkedin premium to see more data. tons of seniors and masters degrees competing for 60k jobs

60k in the US

[hearty island]

that means you have to leverage the internships you have/gained while you were in college

[vapid jay]

internships mean nothing against people with 10+ years (seniors)

[hearty island]

they show initiative and make companies want to hire/invest in you

[vapid jay]

no

[hearty island]

lol what

[vapid jay]

i give u 60k. you can hire a candidate with 10 years work experience and a masters degree in the field or a new grad with a bachelors and a few internships. who is more qualified?

[near ocean]

You shouldnt be competing with devs with 10years exp
It just means youre applying to the wrong ads

[hearty island]

yeah i agree with mar

[vapid jay]

purchase linkedin premium and review the data

lot of seniors applying to entry level roles

[near ocean]

Why would seniors do that?

[true harness]

LinkedIn is lying to you

[lapis wind]

or more accurately, the data linkedin has doesn't necessarily accurately reflect the person

I'm pretty sure linkedIn classes me as senior despite only being employed for 3 years

or at least that is what it wants me to apply to

[vapid jay]

You may not be based in America. In America the interest rates are high which is bad for creating new contracts. There is also war and other macro economic issues. Then you also have post covid layoffs which actually exceeded the dotcom bubble by a significant margin. Its pretty bloody out there

[lapis wind]

It seems more like you are looking for reasons to not bother applying?

[vapid jay]

youre assuming negative things about me

[near ocean]

By america do you mean the US?

[lapis wind]

Like idrk what you want people to tell you, other than, people with actual 10 years of experience definitely are not applying to entry level positions if that experience is anyway meaningful

[near ocean]

If the economy is bad for the US how would you describe it about the rest of the world lmao

[vapid jay]

yes, although Canada isnt doing to well either from what ive seen. North America in general

Canadas housing is REAL bad

[vapid jay]

Its linkedins stats. you can confront them about it.

[lapis wind]

I don't need to 😅 Because I am not basing my choice of applying to somewhere or not based on LinkedIn's guesses at statistics

[near ocean]

Can you show an example job ad where seniors with 7+ years exp are applying?

[hearty island]

linkedin doesn't even tell you the truth of how many people are applying to a position

[lapis wind]

IDEK how they classify people tbh

But like, I am not senior, yet 90% of the job 'recommendations' are for senior positions, so I wouldn't trust any of LinkedIn's statistics

In a similar vein as to why the salary predictions GlassDoor do, often do not line up with reality

[near ocean]

I imagine its because ads for senior are the most common, there is high demand and low supply for them

[vapid jay]

This is the first thing I saw. This was posted 3 hours ago

[lapis wind]

Probably, which is why it makes even less sense for seniors to apply to entry level positions when deman for seniors is far higher

[buoyant seal]

as person which interviewed people for middle rank
I can say, u can get for 3-5 years of supposed experience from awesome middle+ person
to.... a lot, a lot of beginning juniors
So.. each person has different quality to their years

[vapid jay]

Suppose I could post more, there super easy to find. I found that one the first job I clicked

[near ocean]

Have you considered that the senior/manager person is from outside the country from somewhere with low wages?

[near ocean]

Or not even an actual person, a bot?

[buoyant seal]

or indian with vpn

[lapis wind]

I do think you are reading into these stats a bit too much 😅
Which tbf, isn't your fault since linkedin does everything in its power to try convince you to buy it

but take the stats with a pinch of salt

[vapid jay]

True, but hr for the most part is going to glance and go huh.. no yoe... oh this person has 10 yoe...

[lapis wind]

I cant even see where you're getting this 10 years number from tbh

[near ocean]

Sure. You win some you lose some.

[buoyant seal]

they don't have any other means to assess it 😅
Unless running neural network to guess based on available profile

[lapis wind]

If i add my hobby years of experience I also have 10+ years 😎 (which is a thing people do)

[vapid jay]

They do have some AI's in place actually. As a user you can have an AI write some of your linkedin profile

[near ocean]

Its not linkedin's job to assess seniority, so no point in trusting it

[vapid jay]

The masters degree thing is valid though. You could say people are lying, but that woulden't be seen by the employer till after the interviews

[buoyant seal]

SEO = Search Engine Optimization for LinkedIn 😊
(The famous most optimized Angelina Lee)

[vapid jay]

lot of denial about statistics here. Very interesting

[hearty island]

instant hire

[lapis wind]

Something something AI, something something LLM, something something cryptocurrency blockchain engineer

[near ocean]

We dont know where these numbers are coming from and companies have been known to lie
Why are you trusting them?

[buoyant seal]

spread Herpes STD to 60% of intern team
Phi Beta Phi - fraternity record for most vodka shots in one night

[vapid jay]

A social skill I acquired is to not accuse people of lying unless I have something significant to gain from it.

[summer roost]

War encourages spending and investments, especially in tech. High interest rates encourage spending and investments (in fact, the reason rates were raised was exactly to encourage spending and investments). The unemployment rate is only slightly higher today than it was in 2019 or 2022, and it's currently much lower than it was in 2020 and 2021. I think you're misinterpreting the macro economics here.

[lapis wind]

this isn't a person though, this is a company trying convince you to buy their subscription

[vapid jay]

I don't follow you on high interest rates encouraging spending.

[near ocean]

People and companies have lied for much less than $30 a month

[lapis wind]

VPN marketing alone should be a good enough example of sketchy marketing used to make something seem more valuable than it is

[summer roost]

That's the point of high interest rates. They make it cost money to horde money, or to put it in a bank - you lose purchasing power over time, so you're incentivized to spend money now, since you know that same amount of money will buy less in the future

[vapid jay]

I do have personal experience as well with the masters degree. I've been getting a lot more interviews since I enrolled in my masters program.

[near ocean]

Cant say I share in that experience

[vapid jay]

It does not cost money to horde money due to interest rates. Thats inflation you are thinking of.

As far as the time value cost of money goes. A lot of home owners are actually electing to not move due to interest rates. They see their current asset appreciation as higher than what they could get if they bought a new house at a high interest rate.

[summer roost]

er, you're right, I did mean inflation

[summer roost]

sure, but if that exerts any pressure at all on the job market, it reduces supply for workers (fewer who are willing and able to relocate), which drives salaries up

[vapid jay]

we can extrapolate this to large contracts. Large contracts for software are about the same cost of a house. If a business could take out a loan for 8% interest or 3% interest which one do you think they are choosing?

[summer roost]

I don't think I follow... are you talking about the bond market here? That it's harder for companies to raise capital by selling bonds than it used to be, because the interest costs more than it did a few years back?

[near ocean]

I dont think any of this has any relation to whether seniors are applying for junior roles
Theres nothing stopping them from doing so even in a great economy

[summer roost]

yeah. if a company hires someone with 10 years of experience for an entry level job, then it wasn't an entry level job

[vapid jay]

The cost of projects directly impacts the employment rate of developers. Developers work on a lot of project based work.

That's why I say macro economics are impacting seniors applying for entry level roles.

[karmic oar]

and I think that the fact that someone has 10 years of experience doesnt mean s/he is a senior, because you can stuck in one project during this time, and do the same thing every day and not make any progress as a programmer

[brazen island]

Idk why people are so hung up on this junior / senior thing. It's just marketing.

Titles, by and large, are marketing imho. "senior web engineer" (as seen in the screenshot) sounds better than front end developer or "web master". You do it to get candidates. If you're good enough for the sr psoition you'll get it, idt there's a threshold for YOE.

[vapid jay]

Past titles matter on your resume 🙂

[peak halo]

Webmaster. That's a term I haven't heard for a while.

[brazen island]

Case in point, it's not "sexy" 😄 Everyone is senior XX engineer now

[brazen island]

I'm pretty sure if you write "software engineer" on your resume and then clarify what you did you're going to be fine. What you did trumps what you're called. Some people never have the maturity to be a de facto "senior" and some reach it after a couple of years That's what matters imo

[gritty rivet]

Place I work made an explicit decision not to use those words in titles, and I think it makes sense.

[vapid jay]

What if your job title says consultant, on your resume you say software engineer, and the person you interviewed with says you failed the background check because you lied about being an engineer. You were a consultant.

[brazen island]

Again, titles are marketing (and some times bureaucracy). I interviewed for an ML/AI position a while back at a consultancy. When we were going through the contract and the comp they said "Oh by the way, on the top you see your title is software engineer. We just call everyone that writes any code SWE for organisational reasons. You're free to use a more specific one in your external communication."

If you're afraid of "lying" Software engineer (consultant) or consultant - software engineer works

[vapid jay]

The example I gave was a real world example that I experienced 🙂

[fringe sphinx]

I’ve read this thread twice, I have no idea what we’re talking about. I think I’m in 🦃 coma.

[vapid jay]

started as macro economics impacting jobs and then digressed to job titles

@fringe sphinx you would be a good person to ask, have you noticed an increase in the amount of masters degrees you've been seeing?

for entry level roles specifically

[fringe sphinx]

Out of curiosity, any countries outside the US that make a thing of Thanksgiving? A few years ago, I was shocked to see Thanksgiving recognized (celebrated?) in China.

[vapid jay]

Canada has Thanksgiving on a different date.

[fringe sphinx]

I haven’t seen it for entry roles, no… but I imagine what you’re thinking is more big tech where the company is desirable.

[vapid jay]

No, so I purchased linkedin premium and it shows me what degree level people have when they apply. I'm seeing A LOT of people with masters for entry level

[fringe sphinx]

I mean, I have seen masters for entry, but those are straight out of college

[fringe sphinx]

It’s like college apps where students are applying to dozen(s) of schools nowadays, perhaps people are applying everywhere? I’ve definitely seen far more unqualified apps than ever before. But for me, location and work authorization are the bigger filters.

[vapid jay]

Heres a random one

[true harness]

why are there 0% non-bachelors and non-masters applying ?

[vapid jay]

only 8 apps so far

[near ocean]

Based msc applicants

[vapid jay]

I don't even look at jobs older than 24 hours

Here is another "Early Career" 🙈

[fringe sphinx]

I’m going to post an entry position next week, in fact (I’m a month or two behind). Now I’m curious. I hired my last off referral.

[near ocean]

Masters grads are early careers people though

[vapid jay]

Masters grads can be early career! but having about half the apps holding a masters degree? Seems strange right?

[fringe sphinx]

I interpret this to mean: there are some seniors struggling to find a job, and they’re applying everywhere.

[fiery badger]

Hello

[vapid jay]

Same

[near ocean]

Not really, it could not be the company's intention to hire an msc person
They cant control who is applying

[fringe sphinx]

I have seen some terribly unqualified senior candidates in years past, often people who worked in dead-end internal finance jobs…. That’s probably not helpful: there’s a particular large financial institution that just produced terrible engineers. “10 years of working on one page” type engineers (exaggeration)

[vapid jay]

Thats the companies intentions

[near ocean]

Yes and they cant control who is applying to their ads

[vapid jay]

We are not discussing that 🙈

[near ocean]

Youre pasting screencaps of stats of people applying 💀

[vapid jay]

My stance is that overall the markets a bit tougher resulting in seniors applying for more entry level roles.

[vapid jay]

of people applying to show that experienced people are applying for entry level roles

[near ocean]

You dont really need linkedin premium stats to see the market is tougher

[vapid jay]

I wanted to quantify it

[near ocean]

You dont know theyre experienced, you only know what linkedin tells you

[fringe sphinx]

I don’t come to the same conclusion: I believe the market for ‘good’ seniors is strong, and the market for juniors is a mess because it’s very hard to filter good from bad juniors.

[vapid jay]

How would you suggest juniors stick out to make it easier to filter?

[fringe sphinx]

One area is work authorization. I wish those stats you see disclosed authorization, my last LinkedIn post had a lot of international applicants.

[near ocean]

Are you looking for advice or is this just discussion

[vapid jay]

It does

[near ocean]

That doesnt necessarily show they have the right to work

[fringe sphinx]

So: masters students may be in an f1 visa and need sponsorship. Some may have worked a few years of OPT and need h1b, which puts them in a tough spot

[vapid jay]

true

Youll find someone easy. These posts gets 100s of apps a day.

[fringe sphinx]

It’s a fine question tho, I don’t really have data to tell one way or another so can’t say your conclusion is wrong either.

[vapid jay]

Really feels like Masters is the new Bachelors

[near ocean]

But you got one already, right?

[vapid jay]

In progress

Im transparent about still being in progress as well. First thing I mention during every interview round introduction and also show it on resume.

[twilit kraken]

OK it doesn't matter, as long as you get the highest grade in your CS class, and the university sees that, then you should be set, but specificically for com sci

[fiery badger]

..m

[rough reef]

discord bot developers, how i can start learing discord bot developing?
i mean what i need?

[harsh river]

in LATAM a lot of countries pretty much "emulate" or fake adopt certaina american holidays

[hidden bloom]

how would u suggest to improve it?

[hidden bloom]

dont want a lot of code it would become wordy the 'coding' stuff is just for visual aesthetics

[delicate bane]

@dreamy shadow oh hey its your catch phrase. also happy thanksgiving 🦃

[delicate bane]

thats good. it still gives you a leg up over all those undergrad students

[delicate bane]

like how some places follow bank holidays? thats interesting

[hidden bloom]

is this actually really bad?

[harsh river]

yes, but a lot of people in LATAM find it distasteful, essentially think the people who follow the holidays are well, stupid, and following the colonizers rather than be patriotic and remembering their countries histories

[brazen island]

Who are you making this for? When I'm trying to read this, as someone who writes code, my eyes are all over the place. If HR needs to read this they might struggle even more (or potentially less!)

I'm looking at it thinking why does goals return placement, why are they indented like that.

[delicate bane]

understandable

[brazen island]

Maybe if HR looks at it without a coder brain they won't get stuck on it. I think you should show it to a non-tech prson to see how they react to this.

[smoky quest]

Great engineers will know jira and git. But one is not a great engineer because they know jira and git.
So my suggestion would be to focus more on what you can do as an engineer, your strengths, your specialty. You can still keep the tooling around, but it should be small in a corner, not the main thing

[hidden bloom]

placement is a type of year long internship in uk for 2nd yera students this is for a presentation in asssesment centre

[smoky quest]

I would probably align them. More boring but easier to read.
I would also be ready to be grilled on the why fo reach one

And they are all inward facing. Maybe having one goal for the company where you would be placed wouldn't hurt

[hidden bloom]

thats cus the job description is very vague i can not make anything specific to company icl

[brazen island]

Yes but should I read it as "placement goals" or should I read it as goal: void => Placement because I'm reading it at the second. Excuse me if I'm being pedantic

[smoky quest]

You can have an impact anywhere 🙂

[hidden bloom]

i changed from jira to docker i mean

[smoky quest]

that's missing the point

[hidden bloom]

the first - and no dw i appreciate it

[brazen island]

As someone who codes I'm really inclined to read it as the second. I'm curious to see if the rest does as well. Otherwise you can safely ignore me!

[hidden bloom]

ya others lmk.. the reason i have it as the first cus less words and this is a slide presentation.. so i need it visually readable..

[frigid violet]

Cauko

how are you guys

[high kayak]

Hello all

[oak tide]

How are you guys getting jobs and internships? I've applied to well over 5,000 positions now and still havent gotten any offers.

[regal axle]

Qualify that. No offers? Or no responses? Do you get any interviews or “LC” style evaluation questions?

[oak tide]

I get recruiters reaching out to me, but after I have a conversation with them, they will either tell me that they found someone to fill the role or they just ghost me with no explanation

[true harness]

if they're all ghosting you, it's probably something you said, or something about your background

I remember last time you intended to get your resume reviewed; did that happen?

[oak tide]

Whenever a recruiter reaches out to me with a role, I'll respond to them saying that I am interested in the role and send them my resume, so I dont think whatever I say causes them to ghost me

[true harness]

well, then it's your resume

[oak tide]

My bad, I thought that I had already sent my resume here because I have sent it to a few other servers. I'll clean up my resume and send it here

[turbid bobcat]

everything is graphs o.o

[true harness]

graph theory goes hard

[smoky quest]

wait until you hear about the universal method to solve all the problems

[turbid bobcat]

could only find this, but sounds legit

[smoky quest]

there are technically two possible answers:

• If you wait long enough, all the problems resolve on their own
• You add another level of indirection

[turbid bobcat]

that's kinda dark

[smoky quest]

Not really. CPU/GPUs improved at a rapid pace (less so now for CPUs) and it's not unheard of to have problem become approachable 6 months later because of that.
Similarly, a lot of techniques regarding pointers, architecture or DSAs are about adding another level of indirection

[true harness]

the "indirection" one is a classic computer science adage

[turbid bobcat]

Oh okay, my mind just kinda went to the heat death of the universe. All problems have technically been solved cuz nothing exists anymore.

[turbid bobcat]

I've seen a cool talk about this. The dude was arguing the incoming fall of software, cuz all soft dev progress follows hardware improvements.

[smoky quest]

That seems a bit extreme, but there is a link

[hearty island]

uhg's been looking at my linkedin 👀, but that doesn't mean much

[nimble ginkgo]

It's below 3.0 but not by too much.

[true harness]

C's get degrees

[summer roost]

so you need an internship as a requirement of graduation, but you're having trouble finding one, and you think it's because of your GPA. How are companies finding out your GPA?

[ionic badge]

hi

[south breach]

Hello

[upper flume]

hey train?

[gilded plank]

hey there, is there anyone here with a linked in (that mentions their proficiency in app / web design / web development of any sort) who'd be willing to help me out with a small part of my project. i've an app design in figma and im required to get it evaluated by some professionals. you'd just be required to fill a small sheet (to rate the designs on the basis of their usability) and just send me your linkedin url (which id mention in my report) and id be very grateful if anyone could spare 10 mins for it. thanks

[silk rose]

Hi everybody. Anybody would like to share how these days a CV for data science looks like?

Do you have seen good examples and would be happy to share them?

[wind siren]

Hey, I want some advice on my current job. I work remote and I was thinking about moving country next year but keeping my job with same company. Just wondering is this something that is normal to ask/ okay ask? and how should I ask it if so?

[silk rose]

I would say yes, but be aware of insurance issues when working outside the company's country. Maybe it is not possible because the company does not want their data in a foreign country

[wind siren]

How do you mean insurance issues? The company does have people working from all locations of the world, if that helps

[true harness]

if you're emigrating then there probably will be issues with taxes and such

[silk rose]

Reasons I heard why it is not possible (companies not having locations all over the wolrd): insurance issues and tax issues when their staff works outside

[wind siren]

What if I am still paying the taxes of my original country? but just living in another country? This is one EU country to another EU country

[silk rose]

Tax here for the company because officially working somewhere else could imply the company has now a location in the other country and has to pay tax. But it sounds like this is not applicable to your case

Matthew, good luck. Get a tax advisor.

It starts already for example how does one country regulates health insurance

Germany vs. France, two different systems. I think you pay tax there where you live 365/2+1 day

Never tried, but maybe it is worth to just move country every 182 days or so

[wind siren]

Another question then, if you want move from one EU country to another EU country. But you dont know for how long, do you need to inform the country your moving about who you work for or?

[silk rose]

Some countries have tax treaties, others not. I know Spain and France have one, but for example France and Germany not (at least for my relevant cases). I think you need to read a lot

[hidden bloom]

"A 10 minute passion presentation. This can be on anything related to security and technology and should reflect your personal interests. " Do you think that doing a presentation on Monero for 10 minutes would be bad? This is for an entry level cyber security internship

[silk rose]

Difficult question. In Germany, I guess you would have to pay health insurance there. Other EUR countries are more relaxes, they don't care if you are absent until a year

[sly panther]

I'm putting this in career-discussion because it's money-related but I realize the fit might not be perfect, but: does anyone have suggestions for cheapest options for a very simple, very low-end, linux server I can SSH to? some online provider maybe?

[wind siren]

What should I ask a tax advisor about? You mentioned tax advisor

[silk rose]

It is not easy to navigate. Don't forget to do tax declaration than in both countries

[wind siren]

Whats that mean lol

[silk rose]

Which countries do mean

What is not to understand about "do tax declaration in both countries"?

[wind siren]

Like I dont understand what tax declartion is, Ireland to Holland

[silk rose]

Tax declaration is : Once a year you declare your income or any particilar expensive for which you want tax deduction

It could be worth to contact the tax administration in both countries and ask the. Some tax officers are helpful. I have personal no experience with those two countries in particular

[buoyant seal]

i could give detailed answer for moving from my country X to country Y
but that will be answer only for my countries X Y
your country laws greatly affect jurisdical side of this problem

For my country:
We have changed tax residency in 6-12 months. (Technically in 6 months, but on practice up to 12 months)
We still remain foreign currency resident and some specific laws still remain attached to us.
If we work on a work contract from origin country, umm... that's a gray field that had laws changed multiple times for last year. from not paying taxes to paying 10 and 30% it was variating. (Origin country changes laws specifically in this case, or more exactly country within legal scope you have your working contract signed)
if we work on a same company from Entrepreneurship opened in origin country, enterprenership remains tax resident and we still pay taxes of origin country
if we open Entrepreneurship in new country, then we pay taxes of the new country, because enterpreneurship is legal entity of a new country.
how money is moved from entrepreneurship to your own pocket is a different array of issue, depending on origin of its country opening and your current country 😅 (in my situation things are complicated due to some... country specifics)

[silk rose]

@wind siren Check out how health care is organised in those countries. Some counties require specific health insurance, others have a nation wide system where you could fly under the radar. You could use your EHIC EU health insurance card to get pain treatment and get even normal treatmeant, but you have to then do the admin with the country the card originates

[wind siren]

I think I have EU health insurance card, so that should fine, no?

[silk rose]

Technically yes, I guess, but would be still good to check how your current country handles these, for example, some countries want to be informed beforehand, others not

I think you have to do your home and read. Sorry

Can I ask a data scientist question: Would you include in your CV your publications?

[wind siren]

I am trying contact tax adminstrators like you said

but thanks

[silk rose]

Re Here I meant if you want regulate treatment outside your host country, not pain /acute treatment

.

Can I ask a data scientist question: Would you include in your CV your publications?

[wind siren]

What you mean by regulate treatment?

[silk rose]

Sorry, regular treatment

[wind siren]

I would try not publish my cv online

[silk rose]

Like a tooth crown for example

[wind siren]

Mhm I get you, you mean get the proper treatment from doctors and dentists?

[silk rose]

I meant, would you put your publications in your CV when applying for jobs in industry as data scientist? I have some publications

[silk rose]

Yes. You will have to fill out a form that says I did not travel for this appointment to this other country. Just do it and stay a couple days extra.

[near ocean]

Yes you should

Especially if you don't have much else (as a graduate)

[wind siren]

Oh, yea sure why not

show your work bro

@silk rose Asking the tax adminstrator, I would have to be taxed in that country

[silk rose]

How long can a CV be? I mean my list of publication is around 1 page long.

[wind siren]

Usually 1 page, 2 page max

[silk rose]

Than you I have to shorten it significantly and kick out all the jargon

[fringe sphinx]

You can share here (redact your personal info) if you like, people will critique. Make sure to note your country, there are regional differences

[hidden bloom]

is this a bad introduction?

shld i just take out the 'instead of talking about ' sentence and just jump right into it with - currently? aka (not justifying my approach to the question? or mentioning it whatsoever and just saying it?)

[west badger]

hii i need helppp someone wanna talk??

[white relic]

I wouldn't have that. You're saying this over a slide that has the word "skills" prominently in the title, right? You don't need to justify your approach to the question and doing so weakens the answer

Just start with "currently I'm implementing..."

[hidden bloom]

shld i put UML / class diagram instad of problem solving

cus im gonna be saying something like this

[white relic]

Problem solving sounds fine to me. UML isn't really a thing in my discipline so it wouldn't be something I'd mention, maybe that's different depending on industry

[white relic]

Maybe could be "Problem solving in/through software architecture"

[blazing harbor]

I’d say just keep general problem solving?

[hidden bloom]

o damn but i thot UML is prevelant with all OOP stuff

[blazing harbor]

Also please use a resume format that can go through parsers @hidden bloom

[near ocean]

Have not seen UML since leaving school