career-advice

[cobalt moat]

right so i get 2 degrees for the price of 1.5

[true harness]

but why do you need 2 degrees at all?

[white relic]

Bragging rights

(I only have one so I make fun of my coworker who has two)

[delicate bane]

dual majors > dual degrees imo

[white relic]

They're the same thing to me. Never heard of a dual major that didn't get you two degrees

[true harness]

interesting. i've only heard the opposite 😩

[white relic]

Probably it's a regional thing

[cobalt moat]

the only reason i evantually want a doctorate is to make my coworkers call me dr Sarati even though it has no pay increase

also my mom might finally be proud of me 🥺

[white relic]

Personally I was never big on the slave labor aspect of academia

I lucked into a research job fresh out of my BS so I basically cheated the system

[cobalt moat]

so like unpaid internships

[true harness]

i'm so confused by what you're saying. you wanted to graduate early so you can start earning money, and you wanted an internship because you wanted to earn money, but you want to do a PhD? and you want to spend more money on courses?

[cobalt moat]

PHD after i have money from nice programming job

and i dont want to graduate early unless u consider 4 years early for 2 degrees

[true harness]

i thought that was one of the reasons for wanting to do the study abroad in the summer. besides, a phd isn't just something you do because it's cool, you need to really really want it

[cobalt moat]

study abroad during summer is just cause i dont want to work a job im overqualified for over the summer

[white relic]

What do you want a PhD in?

[cobalt moat]

idk yet, some computer science specialization

ima go work on my resume

[harsh river]

PHDs are in reality kind of boring, you should do some research on what PHDs actually do, which is just research and even more research

[cobalt moat]

i like research

[harsh river]

you like research upon research upon research? because all PHDs do is recursive research

[cobalt moat]

sounds cool

i will optimize it with a search algorithm

[white relic]

I'm less confused by your planned career path because I know people who have pretty much done that. It's not super uncommon in some fields, idk about pure computer science though (try to find an employer that will pay for your PhD research)
But as I have mentioned I work in a research field and most of my coworkers and peers are PhD holders. Most would strongly recommend against getting one just for recognition. Maybe you should interview some PhD candidates at your university and see what their lives are like.

also, people who insist on being called Dr. are the most insufferable kind of PhD

[harsh river]

the smartests phd i know just prefer to be called "dude" or bros (or their name / nickname)

[white relic]

in academia everybody has one and in industry nobody cares

[fringe sphinx]

oh man, yah. I instantly remembered an ex-coworker who was that phd.

[steel kindle]

So likely a double major

[fringe sphinx]

Yah, I was ABD and abandoned. I somewhat regret, but I think I chose my advisor poorly.

[white relic]

That's really important from what I understand. Picking an advisor can be a minefield

[fringe sphinx]

Yah, I really screwed up too... another professor really wanted me, and I picked the busier and more "out there" professor.

[delicate bane]

i double majored. dual degree was also an option but required even more classes

[white relic]

What part makes it "double"?

[delicate bane]

one major was in college of science. one major was in college of liberal arts.

[white relic]

Interesting

[ancient vortex]

How should I get started with dev-ops

[fringe sphinx]

by learning dev?

[ancient vortex]

Any places yall will recomend?
youtubers, websites?

[fringe sphinx]

What do you know? What grade/level/education are you?

[ancient vortex]

Im new new

[fringe sphinx]

!resources is the normal advice. Pick a tutorial, follow it, go to #python-discussion and ask questions. A Byt eof Python and Automate the Boring Stuff are popular. For youtube, there's lots of places, like corey schaffer and brocode. For more structured classes, there's CS50p.

[inner wren]

Resources

The Resources page on our website contains a list of hand-selected learning resources that we regularly recommend to both beginners and experts.

[fringe sphinx]

Once you get through the basics, then ask "what's next" in python-discussion.

[ancient vortex]

Okay

[fringe sphinx]

Also: it's going to be hard at first. Not impossibly hard, but it can be frustrating until you get through the basics.

[ancient vortex]

I understand the basics a lil bit

[digital veldt]

anyone good with modules?

[white relic]

This channel is for career discussion, see #❓｜how-to-get-help

[digital veldt]

oh

[coral vine]

People here are so smart, I couldn’t resist! 😛 plus I don’t want to come off as annoying and impatient towards the company xD I’ll take the call 7am tomorrow though 😮

[gritty rivet]

If you have no degree of any kind, I would focus on fixing that first if there's any possible way you can. DevOps engineering is an advanced professional field and so however you get there, getting a degree will make it a whole lot easier in the long run

[gritty rivet]

I'm sure you'll be fine, but it's totally reasonable to request an agenda so you can be prepared

[ancient vortex]

[steel kindle]

It can be frustrating after the basics too lol

[harsh river]

Ooof

My phd friends tell me their advisor can make it or break it

[vapid jay]

Growing up now, I need this channel for career-related conversations.

[deft herald]

Good. Only grown-ups allowed 😄

[pine sleet]

This channel is a nice break from the rest of the server at times :P

[vapid jay]

Yeah, for those who are trying to mold or get help for their career

[fierce inlet]

Are cs majors useful?

[true harness]

are you asking about a person in a CS major or a CS degree itself or ?

[fierce inlet]

*minor sorry

[vapid jay]

Depends on your endgame strategy

[fierce inlet]

Alr
Thanks

[vapid jay]

@fierce inlet there are four main categories in terms of computer-related studies: computer science, software engineering, information systems, and information technology.

[fringe sphinx]

what's your major?

[fierce inlet]

Thinking of business, but in terms of tech entrepreneurship

[vapid jay]

Do you know anyone that you are in touch with your related interest?

[fringe sphinx]

A minor is nothing more than taking a few specific courses. Whether you turn that into something meaningful really is about you and your motivation.

[fierce inlet]

Not anyone at the moment. Still trying to figure out how to connect with likeminded ppl

[fringe sphinx]

and agree with Juv: If you're just planning things out now, definitely talk to people... a lot of folks change majors freshman year.

[fierce inlet]

Okay
Thanks, this was a helpful conversation

[vapid jay]

Im a beginner (very) in the cs field and i live in a suburb town, it is difficult indeed. Thats where we should know how to social network—socialise formally or informally for beginners.

@fierce inlet do u live in a city?

[fierce inlet]

Town

[fringe sphinx]

This discord is amazing. Hang out in #python-discussion and you’ll learn a lot from people of all ages: from teenagers to engineers with decades of experience

[vapid jay]

We should look at any available job spots related to our interest even if its just a town. Apprenticeship if possible.

[fierce inlet]

Yes, I think more exposure would definitely help

[true harness]

relocating for an internship is also relatively common. worth considering

[vapid jay]

my mom and i are planning it but the financial are not fitting for us 😦

[true harness]

some internships will offer relocation assistance, either through providing dorms or a stipend or something else. many also just pay enough to cover housing

[fringe sphinx]

I'm a bit confused, I thought they were high school age, not college age?

[true harness]

uh. oh, marshmallow seems to be 🤔. but Juv idk

[fierce inlet]

Yes high school

[vapid jay]

Are you a senior?

[true harness]

no. 2nd year

[vapid jay]

year 8?

[true harness]

i'm not familiar with the term; i assume you're not in the US? i'm in my second year of uni

[vapid jay]

aare u a senior?

[vapid jay]

lol, im talking about high school too but your way above that 😄

[fierce inlet]

Yes

[vapid jay]

last year of high school or second last?

[fierce inlet]

Last year

[vapid jay]

are you done this year or next year?

[fierce inlet]

Oh mb mb
Done next yr

[true harness]

oh.. 8th grade? you've a lot of time before working then, hah

[vapid jay]

@true harness u studying a cs-related field?

[fierce inlet]

Haha true

[vapid jay]

Yes, you have time but you must have effort and diligence too, which are things that I shouldve done.

[patent lotus]

Is this a good CV for 15 looking for work experience

[smoky quest]

too casual

"energetic guy" sounds too much like bro

[smoky quest]

what kind of experience are you looking for?

[patent lotus]

I have a couple ideas which are at my football club doing something in design field, parents friends company, something to do with computer science

[smoky quest]

So let's take a step back.
A resume is used to convince someone you are worth talking to and have relevant experience.

Like, let's say you want to make a game and are recruiting an artist. And you have 100 people applying. As someone recruiting an artist, what would you hope to see? In general, you would expect someone to show they have done a lot of artsy things and cool artsy things that are difficult to make and require expertise.

It's the same thing here, except you are one of the hundreds of applicants.
Given that design is very different from computer science, it also means the skills involved are very different and thus you may want to think about at least two different resumes/CV.

In terms of content, besides the general skills which can be useful, I would also suggest to think about "how this skill X shows I know cool stuff about the role I am applying for".
So I would add some examples of cool stuff you have done in the specific areas

[patent lotus]

Isn’t that more for cover letters?

A CV should just show your work experience and talent not you as a person

[smoky quest]

people read first the resume and then cover letters
You should tailor your resume/cv to your audience

People may be more lenient on a 15 years old kid or if they know your parents, but the rule of thumb is a recruiter will spend at most 30-45 on your resume/cv prior to making a decision about discarding your application or not

[vocal gyro]

excuse me.I have a question.are you an HR or someone like that?

[smoky quest]

something like that

[vocal gyro]

oh I see

[patent lotus]

But what I’m applying for it’s not obvious they do work experience

I doubt any ppl even know they have done it

[smoky quest]

it's entirely up to you and what you feel comfortable with

you can even try different versions with different people and see which one gets you more results

[vocal gyro]

I agree with you.everything shouldn't be typed in the CV.

[proven crest]

Just a thought, I'm doing leetcode, just for fun and a bit of training. I don't struggle with questions, but my answer isn't always the most efficient answer. It's good to learn how to do things more efficiently, but I'm curious.

If I was in a job interview and I was given a code question, and I was able to solve it, however it wasn't the most efficient answer would that be considered a pass or failure?

[harsh remnant]

17.5$ an hour for Software Development Engineer Intern

[patent lotus]

Good idea

[smoky quest]

it depends.
If it's like giving an O(n^2) solution when a linear one was expected, then yeah, that would fail

[patent lotus]

Is that good

[vocal gyro]

efficiency is literally a respect or factor when HR

[harsh remnant]

Starting out as an internship anything is good to put on your resume. But, in short, no.

[smoky quest]

that is way way way way way way below market in the USA

[vocal gyro]

is about to recruit you.

[proven crest]

Thats pretty crazy

[harsh remnant]

I have to do it man. I have nothing. It's better than have nothing on my resume

[patent lotus]

Ig once you make the big bucks every bit of work experience will be worth a lot more

[smoky quest]

Sure. But at that price, you may want to continue looking in parallel.
If they are that cheap, the environment might be terrible

[proven crest]

But its better than an unpaid internship, and would look good on your CV. I'd take it and see it as an extension of your education, only you're not paying for it, you're getting pennies in return. Do it until you stop learning or find something that pays better

[vocal gyro]

but internship deserves to be considered by HR.it is my opinion.

[proven crest]

If you do take it make sre you have an active LI profile and have that up on there. You can set your badge to open for work (theres an option to hide this from your employer), theres a good chance recruiters ma contact you too

[proven crest]

this makes sense, thanks

[vocal gyro]

they should provide a chance for a student to work and even study in there corporation.

[vocal gyro]

cant agree with you more.social is somewhere we could learn what we experience by ourselves.

[harsh remnant]

Damn they even want me to commit 10-week asap. They seem needy for workers. Red flag. Hey, but I'll do anything to put it on my resume.

[vocal gyro]

it seems that they appreciate you and wish you work there as soon as possible.

[hybrid sage]

do you need math for artificial intelligence?

[zealous path]

The actual calculating aspect of Maths isn’t necessary but the insights into statistics help.

Cause if you don’t understand the distributions of your data, you won’t be able to properly optimise it or spot when your models have been trained incorrectly.

[vocal gyro]

so it is not so demanding for maths but in some way,it is necessary.

by the way,artificial intelligence major in which subject?or more exactly,which subject is artificial intelligence demanding for?physics?

[elder forge]

It is very difficult to have complete confidence in results produced by AI, so it is most useful in places where little is lost if the AI makes a mistake.
Things like recommendations on a website etc.
AI can also have a large impact where humans today make judgement calls. As humans also make mistakes, the combination human+AI can lead to an overall reduction in errors. Think about things like interpreting X-rays at a hospital.
Physicists are very picky about how results are interpreted, and require the interpretation to confirm to pesky things like the laws of physics and existing models. The combination of physics+AI is therefore not a perfect fit.
However there is ongoing work to build AI models that obey the physical restrains of the target system (i.e. where regular operations like convolutions a replaced by symmetry operations, rotations, etc.).
Generally, using AI in physics requires that you know much more about phyisics than AI, and I believe the same is true in a number of STEM fields.

[whole lark]

hi

[full siren]

Not really a career but is it "sophomore student" or just "sophomore" ?

[white relic]

just sophomore

[cunning iris]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/935708088261021760/1144434953329856623/PRIV.png?ex=6528959b&is=6516209b&hm=d790afa17b81987c6c024c8a5e94afaef246158095893c9550627a5622e93af4&

[true harness]

most internships want you to commit a certain number of weeks

[full siren]

Sophomore Computer engineering student?

[icy berry]

@keen shell

[keen shell]

@icy berry I just want to know suppose you are hiring an entry-level data engineer, what skills and what type of projects on the resume will impress you?

[icy berry]

so im a senior engineer, if you where to come and talk to me, someone else would already have been implressed by you

you would have to show that you are able to work with SQL, as most of us are in that domain

[white relic]

You could say that but why do you ask?

[keen shell]

So, one project focusing on SQL is a must then

[icy berry]

for sure

but sql is not enough, you should use it for something

transform it

[keen shell]

I mean like a complete end to end data pipeline in which I use SQL for the transformations part

[true harness]

¯_(ツ)_/¯ you can probably string those words in any order and you'll still be understood

[icy berry]

you want to show that you understand how to extract, transform and load data

[icy berry]

yes, that would show me that you know about ETL pipelines

hirering managers dont use ETL pipelines, so they would not be able to look at you and have you instantly stand out

they work more with task scheduling and issue tracking and those task

so a project that is this, with a small data ETL pipline to a bug tracker frontend would be a great project to have on a resume

[sudden estuary]

does anyone here know how discord.py works?

[icy berry]

#discord-bots knows

[keen shell]

I see. So, like a complete data solution with proper logging and bug reporting

[icy berry]

yes, full front end, full backend, database with etl pipelines and queues for logging and queues for messaging maybe

the full stack recognicable project that a hirering manger knows will give them their attention, a working small scale ETL pipeline will get my attention

if that made sense

[keen shell]

Wow, this is an 'aha' moment for me. Now I get why I was not getting any interview calls.
Thanks for the advice. I highly appreciate it.

[icy berry]

when i get candidates for interviews, they have already gone trough a screening process

only a few times in my career have i ever got someone right from outside the door so to speak

also the hirering manager is the key to success, they will help you to get the job if you involve yourself with them

ask them about prep suggestions, common pitfalls other candidates have done, be honest with them, if there is something you dont know let them know about your weakness, they will help you do a better interview

[fringe sphinx]

** I love this blog, as it summarizes a lot of the advice that we end up spouting in this channel: https://blog.pragmaticengineer.com/advice-for-junior-software-engineers/

[keen shell]

Gotcha!

[icy berry]

Its is much harder to get into tech then when I started.... two decades ago thats for sure

there are just more candidates, and you have to make yourself stand out from the others

[keen shell]

Yup. Every job posting has 1000s of applications

[fringe sphinx]

That's somewhat the point of that blog (second half): How are you gonna stand out?

[icy berry]

you can practise interviewing as well, with friends in the industry, though mock interviews, or real interviews for jobs you dont want. though it is easy for me to say that as i already have a job in the industry.

[icy berry]

hopefully I add true and useful advice here 😄

it is at least my honest opinions

[fringe sphinx]

💯… in small tech, for years I had to find the diamond in the rough… past year, I’m getting tons of solid candidates. It’s nice (from a hiring perspective)

[icy berry]

I personally think there is to little focus on entry level positions, I think that you should get new people, mentor them, make them stay in your company and not leave after 3 years, and then foster a environment where seniority can flurish

people should normal distributed, but when everyone leaves after three years, you end up with a split bell curve where the company on average looses competence

the more time i spend on mentoring over writing code, the better the company does it

the more time i architeckt and design over writing code, the better the team does it

[keen shell]

I wish every company had a mindset like you

[icy berry]

but it somes at a cost, i dont write as much code as I want

and we are programmers, we want to write code to solve problems

so it is hard to get there.

[icy berry]

not every company can pay my salary so that I can elevate peoples competence over many years.

very company should think about this so they dont bleed competence, but it is a though sell to management i think.

[ivory sluice]

eivl dropping career advice i am here for it

[icy berry]

my current employer wants me in a higher position, and i have been turning it down for years now

hey mina 😄

was it usefull to talk about this @keen shell ?

do you have anything else you wonder about?

[buoyant seal]

😅 out of curiosity from which position to which position he wants you to move? to some management?

[keen shell]

Oh, very useful. Thank you

[true harness]

might be a good idea to send your resume to see how it can be improved

[icy berry]

im a senior data engineer and architect on paper, i just see myself as a python developer. programming manager roles are the one in question, and if i could get a guarantee that i would get to write, lets say 50% of my time writing code, that would be fine

[keen shell]

Yes, just a min

[icy berry]

yeah, thats a great one, also differnt countries have different requirements of CV guidelines

[buoyant seal]

understandable. I would be afraid to migrate to too much managements in a future too.
I would be afraid becoming rusty and outdated in coding/tech and becoming no longer having relevant tech expertise eventually :/

[icy berry]

some wants you to include a photo, some dont

[icy berry]

you get outdated if you stop writing code, i would assume it only takes a few years

working in a vacuum has the same affect

[keen shell]

Skills
• Data Engineering: ETL Pipelines, Data Warehousing, Data Modelling
• Programming: Python, SQL, PySpark
• Cloud: Azure Data Factory, Databricks, Azure Data Lake
• Databases: PostgreSQL, MySQL
• Big Data: Apache Spark, Hadoop

Experience
Data Analyst — XYZ Company — April 2022 - May 2023
• Cleaned and analysed data of over 2,00,000 customers using Pandas to create cohort charts,
providing insights into customer behaviour patterns.
• Developed Python script with OpenCV and Skimage for image-based data scraping, achieving
40% increase in data extraction.
• Created a web application using Python, pandas, and Streamlit, eliminating the team’s
dependency on me for a specific task and improving overall efficiency.
• Scraped data from 50+ dynamic and static websites using Selenium, requests, and BeautifulSoup, enabling access to valuable information about the target audience.

Projects
Fashion Sale Explorer App - github.com/
• Developed a Python-based web application using Streamlit to enable users to track ongoing
sales from top fashion brands like Zara, H&M, and Uniqlo.
• Implemented brand-specific web scrapers using requests, Selenium and BeautifulSoup4 to
extract on sale products details.
• Transformed raw JSON data into structured CSV format, selecting only the required data
fields, reducing the data size by 80%.
• Implemented a robust logging and error-handling mechanism, reducing debugging time by 30%
and ensuring seamless data collection.

Azure Data Migration Pipeline
• Created Azure end-to-end data project, migrating on-premises SQL Server data to Azure Cloud.
• Orchestrated ETL with Azure Data Factory, Databricks, transforming data into bronze,
silver, gold layers.
• Utilized Azure Synapse for high-performance warehousing and Power BI for insightful dashboards.
• Ensured security via Azure Key Vault, enhancing data privacy.

[icy berry]

i assume you would have a cover letter as well?

[keen shell]

No, do I need one? If yes, then what should be inside the cover letter?

[buoyant seal]

and that's the potential problem with management roles. if all your time will be spent into management, you are bound to get outdated if you spend 40 hours for work in not coding/tech
self studies during weekends and evenings have limit to their power after all and at more senior years can dissapear completely due to having family to keep busy at this stage already

you are what you eat :/

[icy berry]

well.. at our workplace we use dbt, airflow, kafka, pubsub and a whole set of other google oriented things. so how would I know that you are a fit for the role if i cannot see that. i dont know if you are quick to learn new things, i dfont know if your experience with azure data lake transfers over to google bigquery

in Norway a cover letter is almost unheard of, even though some do use it. so its more about fitting with the area you are working within

but here a well crafted project speaks more then words every could

[keen shell]

I see. I need to write cover letters based on the job descriptions, right?

Also, what is your first impression of my resume?

[icy berry]

yes, that would be the way to do it.

[true harness]

it's mostly a regional thing

[icy berry]

my first impression is that it looks impressive for a one year experience resume

[near ocean]

i just skip job ads that ask for cover letters

[marsh wind]

tbh I seem to have more luck with recruiters/headhunters on LinkedIn that applying to jobs anyway 😁

[icy berry]

does linkedin work for entry level postiisons ? or would hirering managers just ignore them?

[keen shell]

Good to know from a senior data engineer. Also, is data engineering not an entry-level job, because all the job postings I see are for 2+ years experience.
I have applied for nearly 200 jobs in last 3 months and got only 1 interview call.

[icy berry]

200 on site jobs?

[marsh wind]

"works" in a sense that you can apply and get inteviews if you pass initial filter..... But you probably won't be approached

[keen shell]

on linkedin

[icy berry]

i mean, not remote jobs

[keen shell]

oh. yes onsite jobs

[keen shell]

plus remote jobs as well. I basically applied for every data engineer job opening in India that is

[icy berry]

its highly unlikely to get a remote possition as entry level

indian developers and im assuming hirering managers care a disproportional amount about algorithms and data structures. Its probably an survivor bias problem, you should have projects that focus on this as well

well my time is up, good luck @keen shell and you can pick my brain anytime you want to if that is needed 😄

[keen shell]

It was great talking to you @icy berry. Thanks for your time!

[hidden bloom]

i'm in uni and i'm applying for internships should i grp my cv like this (paid/voluntary) or (relevant experience / irrelevant experience)

cus some stuff is paid but irrelevant... but then some stuff isn't paid but is relevant

[white relic]

Dont group it. Just list all your work experiences most recent first

[hidden bloom]

i mean some is volunteering some is paid tho

[white relic]

so?

[hidden bloom]

i mean technically volunteering isn't work experience? there needs to be some sort of subheading don't you think? or shld i just label it all under the category 'experience...'??

that's so vague don't u think

[white relic]

volunteer work is work

[hidden bloom]

so just have it like this

[white relic]

if the job title or description contains "volunteer" then nobody reading it is going to think you're lying if you didn't get paid for it

[hidden bloom]

'experience' and list it in order by dates???

[hidden bloom]

well i mean ya

[white relic]

this seems fine

[hidden bloom]

this isn't my resume lol it's just an example but ya in terms of formatting

[white relic]

having your experiences ordered by date is good because many hiring managers want to be able to see at a glance if you have any big gaps

[fringe sphinx]

I went in and out of that rabbit hole. I spent my years in management getting dumber by the day. I finally came out the other end and am as/more technical than I was when I started. I'm pretty sure I knew less when I left big tech than when I entered (but again, because I was in a management track)

[marsh wind]

I decided to not go deep down that rabbit hole... Been in weird Data scientist/Product owner/projet manager position in one company for past 3.5 years, and now going into new company into a data engineering role, hopefully won't get dumber there

[icy berry]

keep the joy of learning something new and you will do fine

[fringe sphinx]

Yah, I like to think the experience made me a more complete whatever it is I am, but I might've felt enjoyed work a lot more during those years.

[icy berry]

my employer lets me use 10% of my time to learn something interesting, new or open source work

[marsh wind]

oh I am so very much looking forward to it. I valued highly every moment I could do something tech related and learn stuff... Much higher than PO things

[fringe sphinx]

Yah, reminds me that google killed that policy: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/google-20-percent-time_n_3768586

[icy berry]

yeah, i think Larry Page was on to something if you want to inovate

[marsh wind]

definitely, that's how actual research works lol.

[cyan valley]

hi, not sure if this is the correct place to ask this, I'm in my final stretch on my CS degree and I'd like to learn Pytorch, but I suck at math ( I barley pass all my math classes ) and I've heard that if I'm to get into ML or AI I should go with Pytorch, how would you recommend I learn this, like where should I start, and youtube tutorials I should follow?

[gritty rivet]

I don't know PyTorch but if I were going to learn it I would grab whatever books, tutorials etc. I can find and dive in. If something isn't going well, just try something else. If you like videos there's plenty of that too, for example https://www.freecodecamp.org/news/learn-pytorch-for-deep-learning-in-day/

[cyan valley]

What about Tensorflow?

[rose moon]

how to talk in voice room?

[gritty rivet]

Same answer. I'm pretty sure that same website even has another free video course on it

[cyan valley]

ok, I was hoping you're recommend one over the other, or which has "higher marketability".

[cyan valley]

I appreciate the help

[gritty rivet]

Courses don't have marketability, the projects you design do. Kaggle contests might have some weight but first you need to learn the basics whichever way you can. You can read reviews if you want opinions about specific learning materials. But you know best how you learn best.

[cyan valley]

I didn't mean courses but, which one ( pytorch or tensorflow ) has more weight.

[trail mauve]

hi

[cyan valley]

你好

[gritty rivet]

I would search the job listings in your area and see which one is mentioned more

[trail mauve]

we can use both pytorch and tensorflow for ai.

[trail mauve]

Thank you.

[cyan valley]

I was just being a smartass, don't mind me.

But, isn't one more popular over the other? Like how React is the king and Angular is 2nd maybe 3rd?

[trail mauve]

umm.
PyTorch and TensorFlow are both popular open-source deep learning frameworks used for building and training neural networks. While they have similar goals, there are some key differences between the two:

1. Programming Style: PyTorch follows a dynamic computational graph approach, where the graph is built and modified on the fly during runtime. TensorFlow, on the other hand, uses a static computational graph, where the graph is defined upfront and then executed. This difference in programming style gives PyTorch more flexibility and makes it easier to debug and experiment with models.

2. Ease of Use: PyTorch is often considered more user-friendly and beginner-friendly compared to TensorFlow. Its Pythonic syntax and intuitive API make it easier to understand and write code. TensorFlow has a steeper learning curve, but it offers more advanced features and optimizations for large-scale production deployments.

3. Visualization and Debugging: PyTorch provides a more interactive and intuitive debugging experience, allowing users to inspect variables and intermediate results during the model's execution. TensorFlow has improved its debugging capabilities over time, but PyTorch still offers a more seamless debugging experience.

[gritty rivet]

Please spare us the copypasta... we can search Google or ask ChatGPT if we want to 😉

[trail mauve]

So I think it's better to use PyTorch.

[fierce pebble]

so to learn on tensorflow, i need to learn PyTorch first ? in case if i wanna build and train AI/ML for fun projects ?

[cyan valley]

I was thinking so, I'll have to check out the tutorial from above

[gritty rivet]

I don't know but that's not my impression, they seem to be two independent libraries

#data-science-and-ml is a more relevant channel

[lapis wind]

They are two completely independent things, but I think PyTorch in recent time has become a more popular choice than TF 3

[fringe sphinx]

Keras is an easier starting point, see this comment for more #data-science-and-ml message

[modern ore]

Tiktoker and influencer is really op on resume

[coral vine]

Yay I got the offer for swe internship ! Starts May of next year. Thanks all 🙂

And I’m really happy because everyone in the panel interview seemed really happy and i found out it was a company I never really thought about but actually I really want to work for them 😄 after learning about them. It’s hq is in San Antonio Texas! I’m in cali now

The crazy part is it seems they expedited the interview process. I only did online technical assessment, then panel interview then chat with hr today

[cobalt moat]

Is cloud computing/aws something I can learn quickly? I had an internship interview and they really liked me but were a little concerned I didn’t have aws experience

[hidden bloom]

i only have one personal project so far - a personal website. i don't think creating a whole projects subheading on my cv just to talk about my personal website makes sense??? usually people link their personal website up top of the cv next to their github profile is that the better option?

[fringe sphinx]

They were concerned for an internship role? That seems hardly fair or logical. It's pretty easy to pickup the basics, like learning Python the first time: it takes a little bit of time tho

[cobalt moat]

It surprised me cause idk anyone who has cloud computing experience who didn’t work for a company that used it already

[white relic]

You're probably on the right track. But imo it should be a priority to do some more projects so you will soon have something to populate that section with

[hidden bloom]

ya defo but rn i only have the personal website.. so the project section is irrelevant.. or it seems extra to have the project subheading just for the presonal website?

shld i j keep the personal website linked up top next to the github?

[frozen ibex]

where is general chatting?

[true harness]

many providers give free credits for students. use them

[cobalt moat]

i dont have anything that needs to be computed on a cloud server

[near ocean]

Make something that does?

[frozen ibex]

anyone?

[fringe sphinx]

#python-discussion if python related, see the offtopic channels if not.

[frozen ibex]

not python related just general

[fringe sphinx]

!ot

[inner wren]

Off-topic channel

#ot2-never-nester’s-nightmare

Please read our off-topic etiquette before participating in conversations.

[smoky quest]

!ot

[frozen ibex]

ty

[quartz pasture]

Does anybody know how I can get an internship to a programming company? Offering my work for free in exchange for knowledge possibly a career

[brazen island]

This question depends on your location 🙂. In some countries this is common and in some not.

[modern ore]

internships anywhere is extremely competitive, all you can do is apply

[fringe sphinx]

Perhaps look for volunteer opportunities, perhaps with non-profits or the like. Not something I'm familiar with, just guessing.

[modern ore]

I wanna intern at Khan Academy, but spots too competitive 😭

[brazen island]

I did free internships as a student and that put me miles ahead of my peers. The thing is, many degrees have a mandatory internship / capstone anyway so if you contact companies with this they're more than willing to give you a place. It's a win-win, you learn stuff and they get to see if you'd be a good fit post graduation.

OTOH, my SO had a mandatory internship in her program. She did it in CA and every place she contacted was baffled someone was coming to work for free.

[true harness]

it's not the norm in the US, yeah

[white relic]

Right: I would not have a projects section only for your personal website if it is mentioned prominently elsewhere

[cobalt moat]

@smoky quest is this how a project description like you mentioned should look?
"Custom Compiler:
This project reads a custom language 'Sarateese' from source files. It creates tokens from the input code and parses the tokens into an abstract syntax tree. The AST either interprets into Rust or compiles into LLVM code which can them be assembled into x86 assembly. The compiler features Rust programming using data structures such as a stack for sorting, a queue for the stream of tokens, and an AST to map the tokens. It also shows key attributes of language development using various data types, formal grammatical syntax, logic based parsing, and identifiers. "

ive got 3 of these but it feels weird putting them on a resume

and ive condensed my skills down to Java, C#, Python, Javascript, Rust, Machine Learning, Frontend Development, Backend Development, Database Interactions cause you said there was too many

[gritty rivet]

Like a lot of things, you can learn some basic things quickly and then you could spend years and still not know very much 😉

The Cloud Resume Challenge might be a good way to cram if you have a few weeks. But they recommend getting the entry level cert for that, so you may just want to read the relevant study materials first

[fierce pebble]

thanks 🙏 i appreciate your advice

[sacred fulcrum]

Hello
Need help in coding

[deft herald]

#❓｜how-to-get-help

[full siren]

instagram bio 👀

[safe coral]

Hey Billy @fringe sphinx I got accepted to UT

[modern ore]

UTD?

[safe coral]

University of Texas at Austin

[modern ore]

for CS? also is it masters or ug?

[safe coral]

Their masters program in Data Science looks better than the one in UM

I also got accepted to UM but their DS program doesn’t have a lot of theory classes

[modern ore]

jeez congrats, UTA like top 10 CS universities right

[safe coral]

UT’s DS program looks much harder

Yup Number 8

[modern ore]

What did you have on your resume?

[white relic]

It's an excellent school, good for you

[safe coral]

I mean they care more about your background and SOP than your resume. I had a couple jobs but nothing significant

[modern ore]

SOP? What was your background?

[safe coral]

Statement of Purpose

[modern ore]

Is it full ride for the masters?

[safe coral]

I also got admitted to Berkeley but 82K for masters was a bit too steep

[modern ore]

Yea def not worth it 😹 82k is insane

[safe coral]

UT is 10K

[lofty wolf]

Hello! I am 13 years old and completed my iGCSE in Computer Science 3 years early and over the Summer. I received a 9 (top grade) which I am very excited about. My initial reaction was to move onto A Level. However, by the time university comes round, everyone will have a CS gcse and A level, and I won't stand out. Therefore, while I am young and have the time on my hands, I would like to become really good at programming. So far, I only know GCSE python, which from what I've heard, is nothing in comparison to the vast capabilities programming can take you. I was wondering if you could provide me with tips on how I can do this, where I should start etc.? I've been thinking about learning tkinter, OOP, and other stuff such as that. Is there any courses you could perhaps recommend, other languages I could learn, or any specific python programming structures I could delve myself into? I would love to make myself stand out, whether that be through building websites and apps, learning to hack, mastering a programming language, or competing in competitions. Thank you.

[modern ore]

tuition?

[white relic]

Personally I would probably leave off the sophomore bit but if you want it there, what you said earlier is probably the most natural order

[safe coral]

Yup for the whole masters program @modern ore

[modern ore]

Oh for the whole masters program. Are you planning on doin all of it at once or splitting it

[safe coral]

Yup

[modern ore]

I am planning on doing GT CS online masters, but for chances to get better call backs cuz my curr schools sux,

[safe coral]

It’s online so I will do it part time flexible

[gritty rivet]

Just build stuff. It doesn't matter, whatever you want. Keep exploring and learning and the rest will work out

[modern ore]

Will you be applying to jobs/internships while you're doing the masters?

[safe coral]

Yeah! I’m planning to

[modern ore]

internships or full time?

[safe coral]

Full time job

[modern ore]

do you think GTech looks better than UTA for jobs? or vise versa @safe coral

[true harness]

for socials people usually just say "CE @ School"

[modern ore]

putting major + school on ig bio is kinda corny 😭

[white relic]

UTA or UT? UT Arlington isn't a top tier school

[modern ore]

Where python is plannin on goin

I feel like ivy league might be a better move 🤔 for call backs

[lofty wolf]

Any specific projects you could recommend?

[modern ore]

Simulator in C++?

[white relic]

school makes a bigger difference the more educated you are. If you're getting a PhD it really matters where you do your research because schools have research groups that specialize in specific things. At the bachelor's degree level it makes much less difference to your education and more difference to your professional contacts.

[gritty rivet]

!kindling

Check this list if you really need ideas but absolutely anything that keeps you interested and learning.

[inner wren]

Kindling Projects

The Kindling projects page on Ned Batchelder's website contains a list of projects and ideas programmers can tackle to build their skills and knowledge.

[modern ore]

I feel like even for UG, school helps with callbacks if you're top tier school

[safe coral]

University of Texas in Austin is better in my opinion @modern ore

[white relic]

Eh, I don't feel it really makes a big difference unless you happen upon a hiring manager or whatever who also went to that school

[modern ore]

Is it more known and harder to get into?

[lofty wolf]

great, thank

[safe coral]

I mean they are all hard to get into

A top tier college I mean

[modern ore]

sheesh, you gotta see the threads of people with no experience and have basic crud apps on resume getting callbacks that are from top unis 😹

[white relic]

if I see a resume that has MIT undergrad on it, I'm likely to say "oh this is one of the really intense ones" but I'm still going to look at their projects and grades and so on

[true harness]

no return offer for sure 😩

[white relic]

careful of selection bias

[safe coral]

I also applied to UCLA and UPenn and JHU

[modern ore]

maybe, but i thought it was biased too, but i was surpised this season

[safe coral]

They don’t post their decisions until November tho

[modern ore]

would you take upenn over uta

[white relic]

note, again, UTA is not UT

[safe coral]

Interestingly UT is better than UPenn and UCLA in CS

[modern ore]

😹 ngl, most of them dont care about return offers, they just do bare minimum or even less

[safe coral]

UPenn is Number 17

[modern ore]

But I feel like upenn is more known but I could be wrong (generally)

[safe coral]

UPenn is known for their Business school

[modern ore]

harvard not known for cs right, but I would go to harvard for cs than gtech

[safe coral]

Why?

[modern ore]

the name

[white relic]

you're talking about all top tier schools, even if the importance of the school is 100x more than what I think it probably realistically is, the exact rankings don't really matter

[safe coral]

Would you go to UCLA or UPenn over UT? @white relic

[modern ore]

i agree

[white relic]

no, I'd pick UT, but mostly because I've lived in Texas before

[modern ore]

US news isn't the one or be all thing, but I think its decent for cs programs. I think ivy league for name is better if you're trying to go for name. Unless I am wrong

@safe coral Btw what about UIUC masters?

[full siren]

@true harness @modern ore I see, thanks guys

[near ocean]

Do you have offers from all these places? Why the hypotheticals if you arent even in?

[fringe sphinx]

That's awesome, congrats

[modern ore]

Min maxing hypothetical

[true harness]

going for the school's name is an incredibly poor way to choose a school

[near ocean]

tfw you go for school name and get into none of them

[modern ore]

I could probably get into uiuc masters but the budget not there, not sure if it’s worth it

[near ocean]

Unless its from the region of champaign, france, that should be UIUFizzy Wine instead

[modern ore]

I feel like getting into masters programs is lot easier than ug for those schools anyway, so it’s fine with hypothetical 😹

Just depends on the price of the program

[safe coral]

I think UT has a harder DS degree that focuses on theory rather than application. UM’s DS degree looks poor @true harness

[cobalt moat]

@smoky quest

is this better?

[gritty rivet]

I assume you're looking for general feedback on this?

• Don't list two majors as if they are two separate degrees

• It's noticable that you include your high school GPA but not your current one. Give both or neither.

• Describe your projects with concise bullet points, not walls of text

[cobalt moat]

they are seperate degrees

and i dont have a current gpa, im a freshmen

[crystal chasm]

If I’m using ChatGPT to solve errors/bugs in coding and it leads me to the correct solution by just following the steps by displaying the code

Would that be considered cheating?

[cobalt moat]

depends how you define cheating and in what context

[spark cobalt]

It would be cheating yourself if anything. Most things you'll encounter in a real work environment can't just be easily ChatGPTed (on top of the fact there's generally legal issues in doing it, NDA and whatnot).

You're limiting your own exposure and your own practice in solving problems.

[deft herald]

Is this for school or for work?

[harsh river]

did you complete both of those degrees?

[cobalt moat]

it says expected

[harsh river]

i'm not sure if i'd include that, but i'll defer to the other peeps in this channel, i don't think you should include "self taught in multi language programming", you've already included the multiple langs you're familiar with

[safe coral]

He is a freshman in college @harsh river

[harsh river]

i get that, but people might skim over that expecting them to be full degrees.

[safe coral]

Why do you need a resume? @cobalt moat

[cobalt moat]

internships

[safe coral]

You won’t get an internship on your freshman year

[cobalt moat]

wanna bet

[safe coral]

Internships are usually for Junior students

[cobalt moat]

i know

[deft herald]

There are internships for all levels of students

[modern ore]

To do web app is insane in 2023

[cobalt moat]

what?

[harsh river]

my friend got an intership at a very good company during his first semester in his first year

[spark cobalt]

Psv got one :/

[digital fjord]

Also got one. Most of my classmates did not

[safe coral]

Well I guess I never looked into it on my frieshman year

I started looking for them on my third year and got one

[modern ore]

Freshmens and sophmore lie about grad to get into the same pool as juniors and a lot of apps for any ug

[near ocean]

Built diffrnt

[spark cobalt]

Lol what

[modern ore]

Its true 😹

[fringe sphinx]

Internships are difficult for freshman but I’ve heard of them (rare). But- if you don’t get one, any tech related job looks good and is good experience, as is volunteering

[modern ore]

Companies dont put enough effort in to check for student backgrounds. maybe criminal bg?

[safe coral]

I would focus on my studies instead of applying internship on my first year of college

[cobalt moat]

kid you not, i just took a phone call wanting to schedule a second interview after the one i had this morning

[cobalt moat]

what does that mean

[modern ore]

imo to do web app dont put any value in resume, unless you're like a freshmen?

[safe coral]

I assume these are unpaid internships?

[spark cobalt]

Psv was paid

[modern ore]

no? they go from 30/hr+

[cobalt moat]

the todo app was a proof of concept that shows im competent with full stack development and databases

[safe coral]

The ones he is applying

[modern ore]

Yea its still a to do app lol

[cobalt moat]

why you hating on it

[safe coral]

It seems suspicious to me tbh

[fringe sphinx]

Sounds great, you sound motivated and challenged. You’re already winning.

[cobalt moat]

ill only be winning if i get an internship

[modern ore]

basic crud apps in a pool of competitive competition don't mean much

[spark cobalt]

Isn't he just a freshman, so it doesn't matter too much

[modern ore]

i thought they were junior

[harsh river]

he's a freshman in college

[fringe sphinx]

I think odds aren’t in your favor, but certainly shoot for it…. But also think about plan b (other types of jobs, or productive use of your summer).

[modern ore]

. i guess original point stays 😹

[cobalt moat]

germany is my backup

[safe coral]

What???

[spark cobalt]

My friend had a backup like contractor/internship position out of the country as well as a freshman

[safe coral]

Honestly my college mates were all focused on getting internship trying to make connections they barely had a 3.0 GPA…

[deft pelican]

What's the difference between freshmen and junior?

[modern ore]

gpa doesn't really matter in cs unless you plan on doin masters+

[spark cobalt]

Freshman is year 1 of college
Junior is year 3

[safe coral]

Are you sure? Colleges for masters require at least 3.5 these days @modern ore

[safe coral]

Yeah and master is becoming a norm for good paying jobs

[modern ore]

could be argued

[fringe sphinx]

You will likely be asked your gpa for your first job app.

[spark cobalt]

For better.

[safe coral]

I have 3.58 GPA that’s why I got accepted to every school I applied to

[spark cobalt]

Unless 6 figures isn't really good paying anymore lol

[fringe sphinx]

It’s not the most important thing, but it does come up. HR departments are looking for efficient ways to filter candidates.

[deft pelican]

I had almost a cs degree, the only thing employers looked at was having a completed master's and the they filtered by interview

[modern ore]

I have a 3.92, and companies dont care about gpa when hiring ugs 😦

[safe coral]

What’s your undergraduate

[deft pelican]

I had stuff like wikipedia on my CV 😁

[modern ore]

3.92

[cobalt moat]

i had a 3.98 and got denied everywhere

[modern ore]

in my opinion if they are hiring for interns/new grads they aren't asking for gpa, thats for most ppl i've talked to. unless its like quant firms (they also ask for sat/act score)

[safe coral]

I guess my statement of purpose was stellar… Nof to brag lol

[deft pelican]

Thanks. Is college before university or the first part of university?

[modern ore]

freshmen gpa don't count 😭

[spark cobalt]

For US they're the same thing

[safe coral]

I got a call from the committee of University of Illinois and they said they were impressed with my SOP

[modern ore]

Yea, this is considering you're applying for masters

[deft pelican]

SOP, GPA, too many abbreviations T_T

[modern ore]

Most cs undergrads aren't going to do masters to get jobs imo

[safe coral]

Guess what? There are too many cs graduates now

[modern ore]

I agree

[fringe sphinx]

Meh, I disagree. This year is an anomaly.

[safe coral]

You need to stand out so masters is the way

[fringe sphinx]

Overall, there continues to be a shortage of -qualified- / -competent- engineers throughout the industry

[cobalt moat]

cause of tiktoks

[modern ore]

How do you become qualified without experience

[fringe sphinx]

(Part of the problem is many people graduate who don’t become or stay SWEs)

[near ocean]

Take a pluralsight course

[modern ore]

I gotta agree with this, mfs spam posting job applications right when it comes out, and hopes of making 6 fig in 6 months 😹

[spark cobalt]

Is a way. But most aren't doing Masters, meaning somehow people are getting jobs without a Masters and only a Bachelor's. Question is why can't you?

[tropic rune]

Is it not allowed to ask someone to help me code something for $$$$$

[fringe sphinx]

That’s unrelated to my point. I’m just saying there has been and continues to be a backlog at the middle levels.

[spark cobalt]

No it's not allowed. Why not just ask for free #❓｜how-to-get-help

[safe coral]

What do you think about the curriculum of UT for DS Masters? https://cdso.utexas.edu/msds I think it looks very rigorous more on the theory side. Math heavy

[harsh river]

you can have a 4k GPA but you'll strugge to get a job, but people with a 2.5 gpa but with good connections will be able to get a job much easily, it sucks but it's how it is

[safe coral]

@fringe sphinx

[tropic rune]

Because if i dont offer anything no one would help, i just need a quick project done from someone that i can use to help me with something im doing for some $$

[cobalt moat]

i just cant wait until my class gets to discrete structures and it weeds out 90% of these weirdos who just wanted to make video games

[spark cobalt]

Most college kid new grads don't have connections either. It's like you're completely ignoring the fact that people are getting jobs normallu and you seem to believe it's impossible without exploring how they're getting it

[modern ore]

Wouldn't the weirdos be the one to stick since they are interested in making video games rather than being there for easy money 😭

[fringe sphinx]

Personality matters too. If I don’t want to work with someone, I don’t care how good they are.

[safe coral]

I love working with people

[cobalt moat]

im talking about the weirdos that dont actually like coding and just want the salary and are unwilling to work for it

[spark cobalt]

???? This is such a delusional chat

[fringe sphinx]

Yah, they don’t make it long in the industry. Lots of CS majors end up in other career paths besides SWE

[modern ore]

my message?

[spark cobalt]

Is it so bad that people code because they like building software????

[safe coral]

Soon AI will code software

[spark cobalt]

I don't see whats so awful about building games. They explore problems literally no other area of tech does

[fringe sphinx]

I thought they’re saying: people who go through a cs major but hate coding

[cobalt moat]

im one of the only people in my programming 1 class who actually enjoys programming and doesnt view it as a chore

[harsh river]

yup, i see some abrasive kids here thinking theyre the best but eh, good luck getting hired

[near ocean]

If people only did what they liked and not because theres money in it we wouldnt have half the professions we do

[white relic]

elitism is rarely a good look regardless of who you look down on

[spark cobalt]

So how come these people that don't enjoy it are getting internships and you're not?

[harsh river]

i have pretty much a standing offer at a research program in my college because of my personality and willingness to learn and work with people, connections matter.

[safe coral]

https://www.wsj.com/articles/ai-jobs-replace-tech-workers-8f3dc92

[fringe sphinx]

To be fair, I think some people will grow into it. Intro to programming, while taking a full course load, can be a -lot- for a freshman

[spark cobalt]

With all due respect, if you're so negative about your peers, why would people want to hire you? All the data shows that you'll just be negative about your colleagues

[cobalt moat]

they arent getting internships, these are freshmen im talking about

[modern ore]

the research program at my school keep spamming me to do it

[harsh river]

it's a weeder course.

[modern ore]

you'd be surpised lowkey

[true harness]

there's no way that's the case. gpa is far from the only factor

[spark cobalt]

People will and do, they probably just wouldn't tell you about it since you're so awfully negative

[modern ore]

😹😹😹😹

[harsh river]

the intro to programming course at my college has like a 60-70% fail rate.

[safe coral]

What are the other factors? Cuz personally I don’t have anything else going for me @true harness

[balmy spade]

I think you've stated your point. Attacking them continually has no value here.

[modern ore]

they pass everyone at my school lmao

[cobalt moat]

i like being negative

[harsh river]

you do understand that's a red flag?

[cobalt moat]

this makes me happy

[modern ore]

Spittin out what you think without a filter is based 🔥

[spark cobalt]

Personality matters a lot for getting internships.

[true harness]

bro is elitist

[fringe sphinx]

Calc 1 is the other screen

[harsh river]

yeah not at mine, it's a weeder course, the CS department has a like 20-40% acceptance rate depending on the year and applicants

[modern ore]

if most people do bad, they'll curve it hard and pass everyone 😹 (isn't harvard known for that?)

curving hardddd

[fringe sphinx]

No. They don’t for freshman classes with defined curriculum and tests- to my knowledge of large us institutions

[spark cobalt]

My friend and I are building an entire game from scratch, no game engine, no nothing and we started when he was freshman in college. If I saw that on a resume, I'd be impressed and will definitely at least give them a chance with an interview.

[modern ore]

I guess, I go to a sht school

[true harness]

grade inflation goes hard

[modern ore]

tbh ik irl people at diff school, who can't even write for loops that pass non practical dsa course and etc 🤷‍♀️ chatgpt and chegg goes hard

[safe coral]

I’m talking about grad schools @spark cobalt

[spark cobalt]

Any student that can wrap their head around the complexities of developing an FPS is mad impressive ngl. So many theoretical points (physics, LA, calc, networking, blah blah blah), so many pieces of software to put together, etc.

Ik a kid that's in highschool and has developed multiple games with thousands of MAU and he already has internships as a high schooler

[deft pelican]

Do you actually have grades on cs courses? Most of my courses had pass/fail.
The math courses had grades

[modern ore]

TRUE

[safe coral]

For example my friend has a great background in Data Science but his gpa is 3.06. I have a bad background but my GPA is 3.58. I got accepted to Berkeley and he got rejected @spark cobalt

[spark cobalt]

It's so fun too, people just build for resume and wonder why they don't have fun building projects

[spark cobalt]

Idk about that area too well to comment

[true harness]

literally everything else you submit. looking at just one factor would be insane (and just inadequate)

[modern ore]

I was trying to make cheats, but the math requirement was too hard, the math part got me stuck 😭

[safe coral]

I mean he has tons of experience

He got rejected but I got accepted and my only experience is internship lol

[spark cobalt]

The guy I'm working with is Math major (CS minor) giga math nerd, so we've been kinda cruising on that part.

We're making an FPS where the movement is entirely based on flying, so much shit lmao

[modern ore]

acutally nvm

[safe coral]

URM?

[modern ore]

😹

[safe coral]

😂

[spark cobalt]

Ur mom

[modern ore]

I agree, I think GPA matters for grad schools

[safe coral]

To my friends who partied in my college and got bad GPA. I tell them I told you so

[true harness]

also something that may not have been mentioned: @cobalt moat there are internships specifically for freshman and sophomores

[modern ore]

Google Step 🛌 did you apply to step? @true harness

[true harness]

of course, but it's far from the only thing. once you're above a certain margin, it is pretty much irrelevant

[modern ore]

Damn why not

[safe coral]

@fringe sphinx is my fav person here

[modern ore]

Btw @true harness did you get an interview for msft. I am so mad I didnt hear back. the interview process is literally just final round and mfs just ask leetcode easy to knowing how to do for loop, i am so mad 😭

[modern ore]

What are you suing to make it

[smoky quest]

Do a test: stand further from your monitor and what do you see? This will be how your information flow to a lambda reader. And a lambda reader will see 3 bricks of text that they will skip.

Otherwise:

• Your degree is confusing
• I recommend to keep it simple with one column format as two column formats aren't parsed well
• Programming Language Grammatical Syntax is a word soup
• For projects, use bullet points and start with the context: what is it about?
• TMI in some areas. Like writing a nodejs backend with a react frontends implies HTTP and is assumed to use http unless told otherwise. That is space you could reclaim for bolder claims
• On the second project, calling out tasks have a unique id is too much.
• Claiming you beat tensorflow and pytorch at their game will garner some healthy skepticism and you should be ready to back up these claims

Your compiler project:

• Custom compiler -> Compiler and interpreter for new language "Saraeese"
• "create token from the input code..." -> you built a parser
• The last 2 sentences could be phrased differently or removed.

[spark cobalt]

Our brain and fingers

[cobalt moat]

ty

[smoky quest]

glad you saw it, I thought I replied to your message but it looks like I messed up

[cobalt moat]

i need to figure out a bigger project to work on

all these projects are for babies

[spark cobalt]

Just do something you're passionate about. Even if it's building a game, or anything else.

[cobalt moat]

the games i want to build are too big xD

[spark cobalt]

Maybe do a smaller version of those games so you can pick it up and have experience later to tackle the big boy

[smoky quest]

could do some streaming stuff with mastodon messages

[modern ore]

sarati apply to google step, you finna get in 🙏

[smoky quest]

also cleaning your projects would also go a long way. Last time I checked, they very much looked like something done by a student learning

[cobalt moat]

google didnt have any US based internships when i last checked

[fringe sphinx]

Or, (and?) find an open source project and try to contribute in some way.

[modern ore]

? step opened yesterday or sum

watch me get ghosted from their regular 😭

[long trench]

is it worth learning git before i learn to properly code in python

[spark cobalt]

Maybe concurrently as a way to keep track of your progress. I wouldn't learn Git without anything to use with Git though, it'd slow your learning with Git down if you can't apply (g)it anywhere.

[harsh river]

this is carreer discussion, ask in #python-discussion instead

[buoyant seal]

saving in zip archives with datetime in a name works good enough for students 😅 learn git later.
just make sure to learn git before your first job applying 😄 (learn CLI https://learngitbranching.js.org/ it is universal and will be always with you , all GUIs are secondary)
P.S. head first released Git book https://www.oreilly.com/library/view/head-first-git/9781492092506/ , should be awesome.

[long trench]

Will do next time! 🙂

[long trench]

Fair enough, I pretty much zip and date everything I've designed lol so won't be too difficult. Thank you

[pliant elbow]

Hello

[cobalt moat]

Duck

[deft herald]

<@&831776746206265384>

[vapid jay]

hey has anyone done data science as their major for uni or worked as a data scientist? I'm considering of doing data science since it uses python and sql which are not too difficult languages but not sure if i should switch my major.

im just wondering what's its like and how maths heavy it is

[muted bridge]

So I’m a freshman in college, and I’m aiming for an internship this summer. My projects section is very, very barren at the moment, but I’m not sure if I should put off job applications until I get projects underway. I’m currently participating in 2 AI research projects with my professors, and I was wondering if that’s a good enough substitute for the project section in my resume

[muted bridge]

besides that I’ve done hundreds of hours of community service and I was also a junior member of my city council, but given that those activities were done in high school and that they are not very relevant towards my career, I think I should put those off. What do you think?

[spark cobalt]

I'd say it's better than nothing, and it'll come down to how you word it.

[spark cobalt]

They are very relevant. Even things like restaurant jobs should be put on there. While it may not literally be a job where you're coding, it requires collaboration, communication, teamwork, yada yada, all essential skills for SWE.

[true harness]

as a freshman you haven't really done anything in college yet. accomplishments from before college are perfectly fine

[brazen island]

You should be comfortable with applied math and the connection between math and CS at the very minimum. Imo that's not a big ask whatsoever 🙂

There's people that specialize more in math and work on more foundational things than I do. On the other hand, there's also a bunch of folk with the title "data scientist" that are just exclusively querying tables in snowflake and making dashboards, (nearly) no math needed here.

[vapid jay]

https://tenor.com/view/code-works-code-not-working-error-scaler-create-impact-gif-24991578

[regal yarrow]

is it possible to get hired from here?

[trail mauve]

Hello.

[regal yarrow]

hello

[trail mauve]

Nice to meet you.
please dm me..

[fringe sphinx]

There is no hiring / recruitment / job board in this server. It's not allowed.

[trail mauve]

I sent already friend request .

[muted bridge]

But should I put them in place of the research projects I’ve just started?

[stray flint]

I'm getting ready to do calculus and discrete math. I'm nervous to be honest, haven't taken anything besides algebra (I think, although I don't remember anything about it lol) and basic statistics. Going for a career change in my 40s so hopefully I'll be able to find a Python/ML/AI/DS type job eventually

[brazen island]

Someone at my job pivoted into ML/AI at like 50+, it's possible if you put in the work 🙂

[stray flint]

Nice. Planning on doing a second bachelors in CS then straight into a MSCS program

[fringe sphinx]

What’s your first in?

[stray flint]

Finance

I've been in government finance but I hate it

[brazen island]

The person in question already had a masters in EE, took a year (or two?) of work to get a MS AI.

[fringe sphinx]

Before you start calc... here's two links. Watch them and understand them, and calc will be far easier: https://www.3blue1brown.com/topics/calculus is a nice visual intro. Builds some intuition.

https://ocw.mit.edu/courses/res-18-005-highlights-of-calculus-spring-2010/ is an excellent introduction to calculus. Study this first before studying the full college calc course. The explanations are some of the best and most elegant.

Following that, there's three paths to supplement: Professor Leonard (friendlier lectures than most calc), MIT OCW Calc (not harder, just more academic), and these notes are excellent, if you want written stuff: https://tutorial.math.lamar.edu/classes/calci/calci.aspx.

[stray flint]

I've heard of Prof. Leonard, he seems highly recommended

[fringe sphinx]

Just depends on your inclination... if you're fairly academically minded and good with math, it might be slow.

I went through this material when my son was taking calc... I had already taken them a long time ago in college, but rarely touched calc (so it was more of a refresher).

He like Leonard... I, perhaps because I already knew the material/etc, like the MIT OCW version.

But, we both liked the highlights.

[stray flint]

Do you use the stuff in calculus a lot in your daily work? I'm not sure I would categorize myself as good in math but I think I'll figure it out, through a lot of hard work.

[fringe sphinx]

I didn't think about calc for nearly 20 years. It comes up a lot more now when doing ML stuff, but even then, it's conceptual: understanding the intuition behind it.

Calc isn't even that hard. The main reason students fail calc a lot is because they lack Algebra skills: this is well discussed by academics.

[stray flint]

Okay that's what I've read too. It's mostly the concepts you need to be familiar with

[white relic]

Calculus gets a bad rap for being generically "hard math".
It's nothing extremely complicated compared to algebra and geometry and other stuff we teach in high school

[fringe sphinx]

The two things that get you in calc is either Trig (they shoe-horn a lot of trig stuff in there) or factoring polynomials & algebra stuff.

Yah, my son struggled at first because he kept making stupid algebra mistakes: forgetting to carry negative signs, screwing up rules of exponents, etc.

I went through this with him: https://sites.calvin.edu/scofield/courses/materials/tae/tae.shtml

[stray flint]

I think I need an algebra refresher and a quick intro to trig

[pine sleet]

So much this. I find many of my classmates are struggling with the algebra compared to the actual calculus

[fringe sphinx]

yah, my son was also an idiot. He had this idea that he should take a summer calc 1 class at the local university, because he didn't want to take a year long class in high school senior year. That's a 7 week class. F'ing brutal.

[stray flint]

Bookmarked all those sites. Thanks! I'll go through them once I figure out this stupid React.js final project! I've been stuck on it for over 8 hours now

[brazen island]

If I have time in the future I'll write down all the math I actually use in my day to day because the math reqs for ML are vastly over and understated at the same time. The way I see it is that it's a hurdle you need to go over to understand why "why's" of some foundational methods but once you've passed it once and you remember the intuitions you can safely forget some of it.

[brazen trout]

does anyone know a server for getting a job or something like this for programmers
i want to work

[strong lava]

linkedin and indeed

[stray flint]

I've been using two sites/links to look over what I shoud learn:
https://www.freecodecamp.org/news/data-science-learning-roadmap/
https://github.com/isaacfab/data-science-road-map
Not sure how accurate they are though

[brazen island]

The second one lists everything under the sun and is not helpful because of that

[stray flint]

Okay I'll use the first link. Thanks

[delicate bane]

dont underestimate the data eng skill set.

something something rex plugs the Fundamentals of Data Engineering (FoDE) book. happy friday.

[near ocean]

you should get a promo code made out for you

[stray flint]

Software engineer sounds like something I would be interested in too

Haven't really narrowed the job title/role just yet. First I need to actually learn how to program, math, etc. Got a long way to go lol

[frank verge]

!rule 6 9

[inner wren]

Rules

6. Do not post unapproved advertising.

9. Do not offer or ask for paid work of any kind.

[weak viper]

Oh sorry

[gritty sage]

guys

imma code python on a random chromebook i found

[safe coral]

Alarming news for tech jobs? Record job openings for September but tech jobs (information) shrunk

[deft herald]

I would say it was expected

given that everyone is cutting their workforce

[edgy shard]

what could be the reason for this?

I was thinking that tech jobs are relatively higher than other categories

[safe coral]

Too much talent and the rise of AI

[edgy shard]

AI is also creating hundreds of jobs. no?

[smoky quest]

You won't see that metric going from -15K to +50K from one month to the other

It would be interesting to look back at the past few months to see the progression

[gritty rivet]

Sounds about right... while elininating tens of thousands.

[gritty rivet]

We may also just seeing continued fallout from way too much hiring over previous years

[edgy shard]

but that elimination is also in other niches as well not just in IT

[buoyant seal]

job hiring is sesasonal at least. i think no point to compare to previous months
It should be compared to previous septembers at minimum
considering that previous years were affected by COVID and also... budgets receive punches from some wars
data is kind of even less predictable though

[harsh river]

AI has nothing to do with this, as discussed elsewhere

[safe coral]

Oh 😌

[vapid jay]

Hi

Are you a pokemon fan?

[fringe sphinx]

But what percentage does that reflect? And what was the trend previously!

[fringe sphinx]

I don’t believe either of those are factors

The big tech layoffs and recession fears T the end of last year and into q2 of this year were the major game changers

Plus, someone rightly pointed out that big tech was riding high during early Covid years and some adjustments (layoffs) were due

Although interestingly: information is a broad category, not just SWEs

So, help desk, support, etc all could be getting hit disproportionately

[muted bridge]

If I'm talking about an ongoing activity on my resume, should I change the tense to present or should I keep it past tense?

[spark cobalt]

Too much talent wouldn't decrease jobs though, it'd just decrease the percentage with jobs, not the raw amount. So far, rise of AI made shit ton of new jobs (AI startups, etc.) and has yet to replace a software engineer in its entirety (at least, no records of it.)

[deft herald]

Tech jobs are down because markets are in a tech buying slump

well, maybe not in general per se, but for my industry at least

[spark cobalt]

Actually could argue that some jobs are being lost because of how many shitty AI startup attempts happened

[balmy spade]

I would like to see that modeled. I would place a guess that, for startups, the AI startup attempts wouldn't make a difference on the normal flow of job creation versus job loss.

Feels like business as usual in that market.

[modern ore]

man what do I need to sacrifice to get a job at khan academy 😭

[gritty rivet]

Change tense as appropriate.

https://www.themuse.com/advice/resume-tense-past-present

[modern ore]

Are these full time roles

[gritty rivet]

Nobody knows that, which is one reason that fixating on a single employer (or even a short list like FAANG) is a losing strategy.

[modern ore]

khan academy so goated tho

[deft herald]

Why do you want to work there so bad?

[modern ore]

Cause Sal Khan is the goat

[deft herald]

hmm

I see lots of reviews on glassdoor speaking bad about the work culture there. Granted, you'll find those at every company but the pool size here is relatively small

[muted bridge]

thank you

[modern ore]

for swe?

[vapid jay]

Anyone know jobs for companies as a Software developer I can make over 300k?

[smoky quest]

what would you ask if there was such person?

[vapid jay]

I met someone who made 380,000 working as a software engineer for Netflix

and someone who makes 31K a month

[fringe sphinx]

Meta is to blame for probably 50% of that

[balmy spade]

They showed you their paycheck? (that's slightly higher than Netflix's SE teir)

[vapid jay]

no

[balmy spade]

Then I'd guess they have a slightly different title than "software engineer" but anything's possible.

[fringe sphinx]

Yah, I was going to add that it’s (usually) not the position It’s the individual…or perhaps it’s both

[smoky quest]

is it a problem?

[balmy spade]

Indeed. HR is picky with titles though. They usually get paired with pay brackets which gets linked to expense reports which ties to tax and legal things which.... bleh. I'm happy I'm not HR.

[smoky quest]

netflix also pays TC in cash, whereas other companies would split that among different things (ex: netflix provides no equity)

[balmy spade]

Mhmm.

[vapid jay]

idk I wanna be a software engineer.

[balmy spade]

Be one then! Join the fun.

[smoky quest]

Try to learn some python and see how you like it

[vapid jay]

Im slef-learning right now my computer science teacher doesnt know how to code

[slender coral]

Which career is demanded in the industry, Data Science or Data Analysis 🧐

[fringe sphinx]

Those terms are somewhat ambiguous and not clearly defined in the industry. And ‘demanded’ is a tough question: there’s always more lower level roles than higher level.

[slender coral]

Thank you for clarifying that. I appreciate your input 😊

[modern ore]

HRT, Citadel, and Jane Street pays that for their junior roles

[fringe sphinx]

You’re talking about Quant roles, no?

[modern ore]

no swe

know few people who got higher than that with 0 YOE (swe)

[deft herald]

I can tell you right now you (most likely) won't make that until the later years of your career. Unless of course inflation gets even more stupid

[gritty rivet]

We have no idea what -you- can make. But if you poke around on sites like levels.fyi, you'll find plenty of companies paying senior SWEs more than that

[elder beacon]

could I ask for a resume review here?

[fringe sphinx]

Yes, absolutely. Might be a little slow on a Friday night but who knows (I'm going to bed)

[elder beacon]

Awesome, here it is: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Ayl7_gQS6f0LlB4K9OginepbAU9qycqRJ2QPL386QSQ/edit?usp=sharing

TLDR: career switcher with 1.5 years of full-time developer experience(10 months part-time remote experience not included). Mostly Python.

Current company is falling on hard times and decided to cut down on dev resources(6 devs ~> 3 devs, I survived) so I'm wondering if it's worth staying with less opportunity to do stuff or if it's better to jump ship quickly.

[sonic pelican]

Student of Computer Science.
Full Stack Web Developer, React.js , C++ , Python, ML , video editor, designer, social media accounts manage & handles ... etc
Hello World !
In discord I'm searching about final year project for computer science degree.

[digital ravine]

Career discussion greatest joke of all time
😶👍

[surreal wolf]

salaam walekum macha, i think you can find that kinda stuff on google, or just chat gpt, but my personal advice is to do it urself, unless ur really bad at coding n ur parents forced you into this stream

[deft wharf]

whats expected of a junior developer / python programmer?

[spark cobalt]

Do something you're passionate about. Maybe something that incorporates your knowledge/experience with video editing/designing/social media management/etc.

[white relic]

Familiarize yourself with your team's codebase and commonly used libraries, use git or other VCS, write Python code, have your code reviewed by more senior people according to the company policy, attend meetings, pay attention, be humble, ready to learn and expand your skills in every direction.

[deft wharf]

but like what level of python skills though?

[white relic]

What answer would you expect? Enough to pass the interview process, which varies but may involve some live coding exercise, answering questions about code, answering questions about general CS concepts, and/or discussing projects you have made

[white relic]

BTW, those are in roughly increasing order of importance according to me

it's usually expected that juniors have no prior work experience and therefore they will learn many of the practical and particular aspects of the job while working

[deft wharf]

oh okay makes sense

ive done a bunch of projects of varied types, usually random side projects
im just not sure what sort of programs would be of quality

[true harness]

your company B entry has a country on there, not sure if that's intentional

[dense remnant]

Discord, Anthropic, Netflix

Salaries like that in Netflix are really common, they only hire Senior Engineers if i'm not wrong. Also it's one of the only companies that really doesn't care about your degree, one of the best companies ngl

Discord it's meh, the pay is good tho

[elder beacon]

nice catch, fixed it thanks

[vocal gyro]

it surprises me.but how could the company identify which one is capable of their positions?I am curious about that.

[true harness]

they interview the candidates

[spark cobalt]

Since it pays so much, you can expect probably hundreds to thousands of people applying for each position. Chances are, at least one of them are capable, they just gotta filter the list down.

[vocal gyro]

oh that's so

[spark cobalt]

If someone fills the exact job description/needs, and have references to confirm their capabilities then I'd say they're qualified.

It's not some mysterious black box thing. It's same as how you pick people for group projects in school with some extra steps.

[vocal gyro]

it seems that they fiiter the candidates according to other respects instead of mere diploma.

[true harness]

well, yeah. pretty much every candidate will have a degree

[dense remnant]

Experience

If you don't have more than 5-6 years of experience on your profile, they will probably ignore you

And I meant that they don't care where your degree comes from, if it's from MIT or Roasted Pork University, but i'm sure they care if you have one or not

[vocal gyro]

oh,I get it.

so the degree is essential for the candidates.

[dense remnant]

Yes, It is in any FAANG company

A few years ago maybe it wasn't, but lately they want people with a cs degree

[vocal gyro]

well,the qualified professionals fill any university.

so equal the world.

[gritty rivet]

Good projects are ones that demonstrate the skills required for the roles you're applying for

I emphasize skills which include things like clean code, good testing, documentation etc. The libraries/technologies you use are generally secondary to that

[sage dirge]

Hello! I’m in my thirties and just started university this September. I am taking an intro programming course.

My prof jokes around a lot about how everyone taking the class should be majoring in computer science. As an arts student who did not have the high school math prerequisites for a science degree, transferring to the faculty of science would be a big commitment.

I can minor in computer science while remaining an arts student, but to major I would have to either switch faculties and/or do a few math classes (math is what I struggle with most in programming - e.g. incorrect negatives have stymied more than one of my assignments).

Does having a major in computer science offer any tangible benefit over minoring in it, other than just with the amount of courses and experience you get?

It was a big life change to take this chance to go back to school so I want to get the best bang for my buck.

Ooo did not think that would be such a big wall of text. Sorry about that! 😬

[true harness]

<@&831776746206265384>

[fringe sphinx]

Congratulations. Before answering your q: My usual warning is: most people go through feelings of imposter syndrome / overwhelming doubt / anxiety when learning programming for the first time. Don't let it get to you, don't get discouraged, it just requires a bit more time / effort than you may expect. That extra few hours of practice/learning/whatever will pay off. Hang out in #python-discussion and we can answer questions when you get stuck.

[fringe sphinx]

In terms of major: Landing your first SWE job is challenging. Having a CS degree is the normal thing we see, and "merely" having a CS minor will make it more difficult to get your resume looked at, especially without experience or some differentiator. So, there's definitely an advantage to a CS major because that's what we normally hire.

In terms of you: What's your actual major though?

[gritty rivet]

I basically just want to agree with what BillyBob said.... If you're committed to it, it will be worth the additional effort.

(I say this as someone who did not major in CS, and switched to dev work in my early 40s. )

[coral vine]

What’s a swe internship like? It looks like many big companies choose around 12 people on average for each internship season? I thought it was a lot more than that

[modern ore]

depends on the company. but yea. companies get like 12k+ applicants for 15+ positions 😹 (duolingo, twitch, zocdoc,etc)

[true harness]

why do you want to work at duolingo now. gave up on quant?

[modern ore]

but companies like google, meta, and microsoft have positions for up to 3k

[coral vine]

Wow that’s so crazy I had no idea! that would have made me lose more confidence if I knew it was that little all along

[true harness]

wdym, "like"? what are you looking for

[modern ore]

i alr got rejected by duolingo cuz they got full. mfs filled their sht by ivy leaguers. sent perfect score and ghosted by the hoe

[coral vine]

Positions for software engineering within one season? 3k? o.o

[hollow pulsar]

scary bird

[modern ore]

I think they decreased the hiring bar for interviews this year because the hardest part is resume screen then the interview is like valid palindrome or something basic

[coral vine]

I guess the aspect of how many people are applying total on average and also how many people are actually going to be in that internship season

I was doing some research online and I couldn’t find anything about how many people are actually selected for each season for each company

[modern ore]

Yea, i remember i heard some where amazon did 13k or something

[pine sleet]

That's what happens with big tech companies. It's one of the reasons why for your first internship it's often times recommended to apply for mid-sized startups that are local to you. If you can't be better than the thousands of people that apply, just don't have thousands of other people that apply.

[modern ore]

thats why amazon doesn't look too good on resume compared to other big tech because a lot of people have it 😹

[pine sleet]

Not necessarily. it matters more what you actually did

[coral vine]

So I guess if people knew how little were actually getting accepted, then they wouldn’t feel so bad about their job applications being rejected

[modern ore]

Most people are doing basic crud or even worse, if good amount of applicants have amazon, they'll filter other ways, school, other exp 🤷‍♀️

[pine sleet]

Still, many times interns in startups have a more direct role in the company and can have a bigger impact than if they were working at Amazon as one in thousands or tens of thousands of other employees

[modern ore]

I am getting fuked this year, resume reject left and right 😭

[coral vine]

But then also, since I didn’t know how competitive it was, I didn’t feel the need to be so nervous during the interview so that’s a good thing. I thought they just selected hundreds of people for each season.

But then I checked online and in the internship season photos it looks like there’s an average 12 people

[hollow pulsar]

i'd luv to work for a small company when i get better, i imagine it's like an office sitcom

[true harness]

pretty much all internships are gonna have tons of applicants for a handful of positions. the good thing is most the applicants are terrible 👍

[modern ore]

You got a offer? nice

https://www.reddit.com/r/csMajors/comments/17280az/microsoft_swe_intern_interview_results/ these are so corny, msft process this year is legit apply -> final round interview -> offer and the interview is legit valid palindrome 😭

it should've been me

[true harness]

that sounds like massive cope. big if true

[modern ore]

It's not, i know multiple people who are in the process, and it's filled with ivy leaguers lmao

[coral vine]

It’s truly a maddening process

[modern ore]

the ceo or whatever boasted about getting 13K+ applications and they only hiring like 30 people 😹

[pine sleet]

why would've thunk companies primary goals are to make money

[digital fjord]

Here that would be pretty illegal. You can't be inequal in the hiring process like that.

[coral vine]

I find it so crazy that they only choose so little per season and this information doesn’t seem to be very apparent online o.o

[modern ore]

They find many ways to find loop holes lmao

[fringe sphinx]

Applicants is a misleading measure. Most applicants I see get filtered because it’s just a non-match: people applying to everything

[coral vine]

Now I’m wondering about the ones who are actually in the internship season. So for instance, if there are 12 interns, is it normal for them to just not extend a return offer to any of them? Or do they always pick at least one? For a full-time position once they graduate

[digital fjord]

Interns are not cheap to keep around. There is a limit to how many you can keep.

[fringe sphinx]

I’m no longer in big tech: but; that situation is rare: 12 of 12 being stellar?

But generally, a good intern would get a return offer unless there’s some sort of hiring freeze.

[coral vine]

Woops I mean… is it normal for them to just not choose any of them because they’re not a good fit

[modern ore]

If they dont have hiring needs, they won't. Meta did that in 2022-2023 idr, no one got return offers even with the people who exceeded expectations

[fringe sphinx]

I dunno, normals tough. I’d expect, of 12, several offers to be made… barring other factors

[modern ore]

@coral vine btw for youri nternship interview, what did they ask you im curious

[fringe sphinx]

But I’m just speaking from my narrow vantage point.

[digital fjord]

I know that redhat will hire their interns if they are at least mildly competent. (emphasis on mildly). Where I intern, the situation differs a bit, but we have a lot of interns.

[fringe sphinx]

Yah, my standard for hiring is ‘competent and pleasant to work with’. I don’t need or seek rock stars.

[modern ore]

Ive been seeing too many of the behavioral to offer interviews 😹

[true harness]

that happened to me 😛

[modern ore]

im just a hater fr

[fringe sphinx]

People forget that part: the OA / etc is to filter to a reasonable number

[modern ore]

Nah, even no OAs, it's pretty insane. A lot of people actually bypass even OAs through events, and etc

[fringe sphinx]

The decision is ultimately behavioral: do we want to work with you

[modern ore]

nepotism and free opportunities are insane, and im really just a hater

[fringe sphinx]

Yah, I do most of my hiring through referrals.

[fringe sphinx]

It’s not nepotism, it’s just practicality: I don’t need 500 resumes to pick 1, I just need 3-5 sane candidates.

[modern ore]

Damn, i should've applied to tiktok with a referral, mfs ghosted me with a perfect oa 😭

@true harness did you get paypal OA btw?

[coral vine]

I got three code challenges on the online assessment, and then I had a panel interview that they asked me behavioral questions, mostly revolving around, working together on teams, and how I deal with conflict or tight deadlines or present information, why I want to work for the company. I didn’t really prepare much so I didn’t have a script. I think that ended up being a good thing because they ask follow up questions for all of my responses. If I had a script, I think I would’ve been more nervous and act less natural.

Then they gave me two code challenges that I needed to verbalize solutions for

Then they gave me plenty of time to ask them questions

The online assessment was 30 minutes. The panel interview was one hour.

[fringe sphinx]

My fav story was when I was hiring in big tech. Had two positions to fill. In house recruiter had hundreds of resumes: but while they were sorting/filtering, my peers dropped resumes off on my desk… and I hired from that list

Never saw a single resume from the recruiter

[modern ore]

Its not in rolling basis is it, if they can sort and filter?

[modern ore]

what kind of questions were in the OAs, and the coding challenges

[fringe sphinx]

As soon as a job is posted, other managers immediately start dropping resumes.

[modern ore]

Do you think cold emailing is good strategy to get recruiters to look at your resume? I did that for linkedin, but they just told me to apply regularly lmao

[fringe sphinx]

It probably has a low success rate at big companies, but don’t forget there are a lot more small companies.

Everyone focuses on name brand companies but there’s opportunities everywhere

[modern ore]

I feel like SWE internship interviews at big tech are conventional and easy

[fringe sphinx]

And low success rate because of high numbers of applicants

[coral vine]

One was sorting the list and printing them out in a space separated fashion with alternating skipping values

Another was finding the number of occurrences of a child word within a parent word

And the third one was remove all vowels from a word . That’s for the online assessment.

For the panel interview, there was a sorting question with some partitioning within the array. So you sort ascending and you sort descending for the different partitions

And then the other question was out putting the number of occurrences of negative bank account balances from an array of bank balances

[vestal sage]

Cold email sucks. Try to get a warm handoff

[coral vine]

I only finished two out of five questions. But I gave it my best attempt for the ones that I didn’t know and I was very honest during the interview. o.o I talked a lot about how I learned about how important it is to work together and look out for each other, etc. if I didn’t know things, I would just say that I don’t know. If I needed more time to think about things, then I would say I need a moment to think about this

oh yeah and during the panel interview they also asked me what tech I knew and projects. I think It helped out a lot that I did open source contributions

[native narwhal]

Could anyone give me an **advice **regarding my github portfolio repos...

My aim is to become employable by providing proof of work,
and since I am still in bootcamp I am thinking forward a the moment.

I want to ask senior developers that have recruited people based on github portfolio
if it would be better to have smaller repos with code written to solve specific problem
or is it better to have large repos with full projects?

Thank you

[true harness]

full projects

[buoyant seal]

I want to ask senior developers that have recruited people based on github portfolio
if it would be better to have smaller repos with code written to solve specific problem
or is it better to have large repos with full projects
full projects.

smaller codes with single code files are ignored.
If finding only them, then marking as red flag to validate bad score

[native narwhal]

And here I am with the idea that nobody has time to review full projects 😄

[buoyant seal]

wishing to see just 1-2-3 or more full projects. Than bigger, than better for assesment. even one is enough if big enough

[buoyant seal]

i tend to do it after interview, before i write review
reading to validate final conclusion

[white relic]

Nobody's going to dig into your GitHub as the first step in the hiring process

I've only ever looked at someone's GitHub once and that was to validate the impression I had of them from in person interviews and justify my hiring recommendation to the rest of the team

[true harness]

there isn't really anything interesting you can do in just a few lines

[fringe sphinx]

I won’t review projects until after the screen, and even then, it’s more to guide my interview questions. I want to know how -well- you know the things that you say you know. Doesn’t matter what it is, but if you did a data analysis project and list Pandas, I’ll take a look and ask a question related to it, or ask about a design decision

The red flag for me is not knowing anything at sufficient depth to have a meaningful conversation

[latent glacier]

You and I are in the same boat. But I'm doing what I can rn. I'm useing if and Elseif, and else to make a choose your own adventure game

Sometime you gotta start with something simple lol

[modern ore]

public void is insane, bro finna get roblox offer soon 🙏

[latent glacier]

I'd say watch codeing with mosh. If u like i can send a few videos I've been watching 😁

[modern ore]

codeing with mosh 😹 bro trolling

[latent glacier]

?

[true harness]

no thanks, i'm alright. thanks though

[latent glacier]

Thats his YouTube name. Its actually programming with mosh. I just got his name wrong

[latent glacier]

Search him. Hes got a 1 hour beginner video and a 6 hour full course for beginners

[fringe sphinx]

Corey Schaffer and Bro Code are pretty popular, from what I hear

[coral vine]

The crazy part was that the day after I accepted the internship offer, I went on to do my Linux foundations exam from WGU. I failed it by one question. I just had to get one more question right to pass.

online university is something different for sure. You can do things like speed runs. I was expecting the test to be like community college level test but actually it was very technical. o.o

also, the things you tend to study during the online university tend to be drastically different than what is on the actual test . Its as if the platform is still very new and has hardly been revised. I wonder if anyone else experiences this with their online university? Or is it just that WGU is newish? o.o

But then again, what did I expect from a few days of study xD

[misty jungle]

I take IT with WGU and found that outside sources are almost always better than the courses on the site. I find myself getting familiar with the syllabus and skimming through the coursework but doing most of my 'studying' via google and other books

I learned so much more about scripting from 'automate the boring stuff' than the courses lol

[coral vine]

What I did was I watched an Udemy course for Linux foundations. It came with a set of 8 practice exams consisting of 40 questions each. I aced them all then I took the proctored exam then I failed by one question xD

but now I know the format of the exam so the next time I take it, i know I will pass

I am also fascinated by all of the courses that I am learning from the online university . I thought i knew a lot about programming but every course I take I’m learning that I know very little. It’s all very interesting stuff too. Like I didn’t know that Linux was in so many things in the real world.

also, it was funny to take “ethics of IT “. During the time I was taking it, I was applying to a lot of companies for software engineer internship, and in the case studies for that course, a lot of those companies were in there.

[modern ore]

whats WGU

[coral vine]

Western Governors University. I’m pursuing the bachelors of computer science there. It also helped me to get that internship too.

Also, chatting in this channel is really helpful so I can see the importance of having a bachelors degree if I wanted to be a software engineer

[modern ore]

wym helped

[coral vine]

I enrolled into this university so that I could be eligible for internships since those are only offered for students

I was getting interviews before, but I think the competition is so fierce, and I needed some thing extra so that I could reduce the amount of time I would have to spend interviewing to obtain the offer

[stray flint]

Are you doing a lot of the alternative credits route?

[coral vine]

What do you mean by alternative credits route? I’ve never heard of this before

before enrolling, I transferred 10 courses from Sophia and study.com

[stray flint]

ACE, CLEP, etc

Oh yeah there's also SDC, Sophia, SL, etc

[modern ore]

Oh were you full timer before then switched to intern?

[coral vine]

Sadly, I found out that some of the courses that I took on study.com were far lengthier than if I was to take it on WGU. I just remember taking thousands of quizzes on study.com. It was maddening. I did it in a short amount of time. xD

For instance, you can take one final exam on WGU or if you do it on study.com you’re taking like 100 quizzes for a class

[coral vine]

I’ve never had a job as a software engineer. I’ve only worked as a quality assurance analyst In tech.

[stray flint]

I need to take Calculus soon. Heard the Sophia course is good so planning on doing it there

[modern ore]

Yea so you wanted to switch career and went to school for internships to get into tech?

[coral vine]

Actually, my program mentor from WGU says that they are noticing that a lot of students who are taking calculus on Sophia are not able to have enough competency to pass, discrete, mathematics and it’s a big issue. Because the Sophia calculus class is super easy apparently.

it doesn’t really ensure that they have enough of the mathematical mind

[modern ore]

You're doin pretty good, are you a freshmen?

[stray flint]

Yep I need to take discrete math too

I'm going to supplement it all with outside math classes too though

[coral vine]

I think I’m supposed to be more of a sophomore, in terms of my education. But since I am doing WGU, it means that I can do speed runs and finish by December of next year for sure. So I’m kind of seeing myself as a junior or a senior. xD only for the fact that I know that I can finish these courses very quickly. However, in terms of my current knowledge, it’s more of a sophomore level I think.

[coral vine]

I was actually extremely worried about taking discrete mathematics because I heard it was difficult. I took calculus a couple years ago at a traditional community college during the short winter term.

However, I talked to my program mentor at WGU. She said I’d be fine if I was able to pass calculus at a traditional college. That I just need to be good with algebra.

She mentioned that discrete mathematics was just an umbrella term for a lot of different math topics, and that discrete mathematics one is very different from discrete mathematics two

That was pretty reassuring, because from what I’m seeing on the Internet , I’m seeing a lot of people talk about how discrete mathematics is so difficult

[stray flint]

Yeah I had to look up discrete math actually because I never heard of it lol. Haven't taken a math course in years but going back for a second bachelor's (in CS this time) then will do a MSCS right after. Time for a career change

I'm planning on doing free/lost cost math courses as a refresher/prep for calculus and discrete. I don't remember algebra at all for instance so I definitely need some prep work

[coral vine]

Yep I’m in the same boat I forgot algebra. But I remember back when I was doing math in school. It was so easy for me. I had so much fun I would be addicted to just grinding out lots of math. It came very natural for me.

But now, thinking about relearning it at an older age with increased to life responsibilities I’m like, Ugh dread. But yeah, I kind of just got sidetracked in life with relationships.

I also want to get a masters of computer science at Georgia Tech. That’s another online school.

[misty jungle]

Tom rocks maths on youtube has been great for me to learn maths. I find math is so much easier nowadays than I remember

He did a SAT practice test video that is really good because it catches you up to entry level college math quickly and if you can grasp that youre ready to begin calc or statistics

[fringe sphinx]

I don’t recall discrete being hard. Calc is hard because of Algebra gaps, and stats is tricky, but discrete was somewhat easier to grasp

[heavy hamlet]

who created this server

[modern ore]

me

[heavy hamlet]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1055649983744974908.webp?size=48&name=shock&quality=lossless

why is there a 20 second cooldown smh
this isnt even that active

[small mica]

Hello All,
I have a question about my career path. Currently I am manual QE Engineer for mobile but would like to move into automation. What are the steps for this as I am concerned that it may be hard to transition into?

[coral vine]

I think another fun way to learn math is to be a math tutor to children or at your college. It’s also a double whammy win because you get to practice talking your thoughts out which will be very important for when you want to pass interviews. You get to practice winging things. So when I was teaching math to children, I actually didn’t know the math, but I learned it on the spot, then taught it to them. xD I was doing some private tutoring and the parents didn’t care about whatever method I was using they just saw their children getting results very quickly. That’s all they cared about.

and also it helps you to learn it faster if you can explain it to someone else . So instead of practicing a lot you can save so much time if you spend it more trying to teach someone.

I think learning math all alone is very boring , that might be a common struggle for an online school

[stray flint]

Yep same, even GT's OMSCS lol. Although UC Boulder's MSCS looks really interesting too. 30 one credit classes vs 10 three credit classes at GT

[modern ore]

Are you doin OMSCS rn?

[stray flint]

Not yet. Still doing BACS then MSCS. I'll be finishing with the BACS in about 6 months

[modern ore]

BACS where

[fringe sphinx]

What does automation mean to you (or the job description?). Are you asking about what skills are needed for QA Automation Engineers?

[coral vine]

Respect the symmetry of senpai !

[stray flint]

TESU. Trying to do all this schooling with a low price tag. GT's MSCS is less than $10k but I heard with fees and everything else it's closer to $12-13k. I still have GI Bill benefits so I'll use that and actually make some money by going for a master's

[small mica]

yes I am asking about job skills. Automation means not manually but automating some of the test cases.

[smoky quest]

One natural path would be to learn the skills to start automating your job. And as such it would tend towards how to automate the execution of these jobs, how to have an infrastructure supporting these tests, what to do with these test results, and how to care about the whole SDLC

[small mica]

thanks but where I work they already outsourced that out to another company which does not leave me room to automate. Any advice?

[smoky quest]

• Try to get involved. Talk about it with your manager how you want to learn more about it and would love to find ways to contribute
• Learn by yourself so that you can get the skills anyway
• Look for another job where they have some automation but also some manual tests. So that they won't outright reject you because you don't have the skills but also willing to train you by doing a bit of both

[sage dirge]

Psychology. My end goal is to develop apps or software for people with neurodiversity to help manage other comorbid health conditions.

This is good to know. There are moments when I definitely feel like I’m just pretending to learn this stuff. Lol. But my prof reiterates almost every class how 90% of programming is debugging and it’s a totally normal part of it.

[fringe sphinx]

That’s like saying 90% of writing is editing. It’s somewhat disingenuous, I think

[true harness]

maybe 90% of the time, but definitely not 90% of the work, lol

[smoky quest]

the time spent in the different activities is expected to be different if you are beginner trying to learn the syntax, an entry level engineer or a more senior engineer who is also accountable for the smooth execution of a project

[sage dirge]

Perhaps he is just trying to reassure us that sucking is a normal part of the process, then.

I just spent three days trying to figure out why my first assignment was passing assert tests but not working properly with actual data, and the bug was behind the keyboard. 🤦🏼‍♀️

[buoyant seal]

it kind of is. 😅 (having always not enough expertise)

[fringe sphinx]

Yes, pebkac

[coral vine]

Also, it can be easy to make unfair comparisons without even realizing it. I see these Reddit posts of people saying that they complete a WGU computer science course in three days. So I think I can do the same too. o.o The thing is they have more familiarity with that topic than I do. I’m trying to achieve what they are doing, but I am starting from a blank slate. While expecting the same results as them, so… it’s not very realistic. xD

[smoky quest]

bit of advice: don't try to speedrun it.
Instead, make sure you master the subject. It's fine to take a bit longer for a better understanding. It will pay off more in the long run

Take a detour for something you are curious about, explore in more details or make a project related to it

[lilac hemlock]

anyone here good at python who can help me with some work? jus dm me if ur able too

jus some practice stuff im doing on my own

[sage dirge]

LOL I forgot about that acronym! But yes, 100% pebkac.

[coral vine]

I noticed it was helpful to build a Web app before doing university. I was using all kinds of technologies like AWS, and setting up servers using Linux for ec2, not really knowing what the heck was going on, but I just managed to integrate it all together while fumbling around not really understanding anything.

So now, when I’m taking this Linux foundations course, it’s actually really helpful . Firstly, because I got to see how much I need Linux comprehension in order to build this web app and how i was so clueless about everything regarding it, so it hindered me a lot.

While I was studying the Linux foundations course, I was hearing a lecture talking about how important it is to not just click a bunch of buttons and put things together , but that you need to actually understand how Linux works because eventually you will have put together so many things to build a product and one day it’s going to break and you are not going to know how to debug it because you don’t understand Linux 🤣

This is exactly what happened to me

[sage dirge]

If there's one thing I'm learning it's that all the people in my class are at very different levels. Some people are asking for more practice problems to work on, and others are struggling to complete the minimum number assigned.

[muted bridge]

what should I do if I can't solve a leetcode/coding problem?

[coral vine]

Also, on Reddit, I see people saying that the course called ethics of IT is useless, but honestly I think it’s pretty useful. A lot of the questions that they ask in that course are in real world business settings and I wouldn’t really know how to handle the situation correctly.

For instance, one of them said, what would you do if your boss is pushing you to sign a contract to agree to have this product out by this timeline in order to make the business partner happy ?

And that you are actually unsure if you can meet that timeline. It asked what would you do in that situation? Would you sign the contract or would you do something else?

How can you know what to do? o.o people who don’t sign the contract can lose the business partner. People who do sign the contract can fail to deliver.

[muted bridge]

I keep trying and not being able to find a solution, I get frustrated but I also don't want to give up. Sometimes I feel like I'm wasting my time

[smoky quest]

definitely!
And all that stuff takes time!

When you hear about folks wrapping up a course in 3 days, it means they just crammed things just enough to pass.
And what it means is that 2weeks later, they will have forgotten everything about it, which is a shame as lot of knowledge builds on top of each other and that will make them less knowledgeable and skilled overall. That will have an impact everywhere, from future classes, to their ability to do things and build stuff, to their performance in interviews and jobs

[smoky quest]

Read a book about algorithms. I would recommend something like "introduction to algorithms"

[true harness]

if you have absolutely no idea where to begin (e.g., not even an idea of what data structure to use), then you have no chance of solving the problem; r_e's suggestion applies. but otherwise, i would try to work on it for at least 30 mins to an hour, then look at some hints, then eventually an editorial, then the code solution

[muted bridge]

thank you

[fringe sphinx]

It’s important because professional engineers need to know this stuff: it is something I consider in every customer conversation

[coral vine]

My free AWS one year trial expired. I want to transfer all of my data for my web app onto another free one year AWS trial for my new university account.

However, I’m not sure how that will affect all of the integration . I’m using the EC2 server, RDS, and also it’s connected to GitHub somehow. So every time I push to GitHub, it goes through the AWS codeDeploy and automate the build and deploy. Uses some lambda stuff o.o It’s also connected to a name cheap domain name.

I couldn’t really figure out gunicorn, nginx so I used heroku instead.

At this point I’m too scared to touch anything , or swap things out because there’s so many links, and routes. I don’t even remember what connects to what anymore. Because I stopped working on that project when I got too confused.

Months went by and I don’t think I did a good job documenting everything . :/

The ec2 server and rds server cost me $25 last month to keep it up. Aws is too complicated to understand the concept of what increases the monthly cost o.o

but the good thing is that I understand just enough to be able to keep the Web app online and working 🤣

I’m just afraid that if I do a “git push” maybe that’s going to cost me an extra $10 this month o.o

[buoyant seal]

AWS best to learn when u already capable to code applications
and learned how to use Terraform or Pulumi

infrastructure as a code is necessity for AWS. It's GUI is having too much things
When u have ability to configure settings as a code, to create stuff and destroy after yourself, it makes things easier

[buoyant seal]

So, this book is overly highly recommended to get tool necessary to start learning AWS 😁

[coral vine]

Thanks Yeah, I didn’t know what AWS was when I got started. My original intention was to simply gain some exposure with it, then it became an unwieldy beast. I thought if there was a free one year student trial that it was going to be some thing that a “student” could grasp, but it ended up being a super complicated enterprise level tool. O.o one that I’ve never seen before.

The good thing is that, even though that whole web app was a disaster , by the time I wanted to start contributing to open source software I was able to figure out a lot of things on my own. Because all of that AWS experience taught me a lot of DevOps stuff which is important for open source for things like setting up your environment and integrating things with their code check pipeline, etc. I was also familiar with the file structure and layouts for everything.

so much to learn, so little time !

[spare edge]

anyone in here software engineer? trying to apply as entry never worked in tech before looking for some advice

[smoky quest]

Can you share more details about yourself?

and what have you tried, where you are at in the process, etc.

[smoky quest]

I don't do DMs

[zealous vector]

Hello everyone! I have been studying Python on and off for about a year. But recently as in the last month I have been heavily devoted in teaching myself the language. I have purchased the Python Crash Course book by Eric Matthes and have been reading and practicing code following the exercises in the book for 2 hours a day for about a month now. I feel like I have a good understanding of the language. When I finish the book I am going to try to find some projects I can build from scratch to have on my portfolio for job applications. My question here is what route should I go for an entry level Python software development job?

[pine sleet]

What is your educational background? Do you have any previous work experience?

[smoky quest]

Hi!
If you are in HS or college, a CS degree will be the path of least resistance and with the most opportunities and compensation

[zealous vector]

I graduated high school in 2015, no college experience. I was a lead debug tech for Jabil which builds servers for Amazon and other big tech companies. I was in charge of training a staff for my shift how to debug errors on linux applications. I am a IT field tech for a car wash and do alot of network configuration tasks mainly and maintaining IT equipment

[pine sleet]

That sounds like good experience! We do resume reviews here, if you'd like you can feel free to leave an anonymized version and we can help you incorporate that into your resume in the best way.

[smoky quest]

It may be somewhat easier to aim for a devops/sre type of role where you could leverage your past IT experience, rather than going into a pure development role where its impact would be smaller

[zealous vector]

I will more then likely end up going down this road. But I have read a lot of stories of people getting their foot in the door by doing projects and demonstrating they know how to do the job they applying for, I would like to venture into this line of work without waiting a additional 4 years if possible.

[zealous vector]

Thats a awesome idea, thanks for that recommendation

[zealous vector]

Thats great, I need to polish my resume before I send it in for review!

[pine sleet]

What you can also do is do internships while you're a student doing their CS degree. With your experience I'm sure you can probably get an internship right off the bat so you wouldn't have to wait 4 years to work

[smoky quest]

I wouldn't trust everything you see online. these are most likely stories you hear from platforms incentivized for views.
What I can tell you is that job ads receives thousands of applications where most applicants have degrees, experience and internships. Thus standing out purely on the projects is rather tough

[smoky quest]

Not wanting to spend yourself 4 years to train yourself is fair. But that will also be your competition. You will be competing against people who have spent 4 years training full time for it and have built awesome projects and done amazing interviews.
So you will need a portfolio that demonstrate you know as much, if not more, than your competition to be looked at. Otherwise what would be the incentives of an employer to call you back for an interview?

[zealous vector]

Okay solid information!

[pine sleet]

Also, going back to college 8 years later you will most likely have a far easier time with it than most freshmen coming straight from high school! So it's definetely worth looking into doing if your finances at all allow it.

[zealous vector]

Its not the fact I don't want to train myself but more along the lines going into college debt and then having to devote time and energy to those other courses you have to take to earn the college credits. To whereas I could spend all the time learning about software development. But the structured learning from college would be great but what do you think about those coding boot camps?

[zealous vector]

I definitely feel like if I went back to school it would be a lot easier then me going fresh out of high school

[smoky quest]

In general, it's seen as an investment rather than the cost. The salaries that it would afford you would make it a non-issue.
I would also suggest to look at grants or communities college.

There is also the non-degree route and potentially trying to leverage your experience, but that's also a path with more resistance and less opportunities and compensation

[pine sleet]

Yeah, you've had more experience at life so stuff like time management will come easier for you.
As for coding bootcamps, they're usually not all that good as they make it up to be. Most of them are not up to the same rigour as a bachelor's in computer science, for instance. And many are just outright ponzi schemes if you're not careful about what you choose. Employers don't give too much weight to these because of how many bootcamps are out there trying to make a quick buck out of unsuspecting people trying to make career switches, people new to the industry, etc.

[pine sleet]

To whereas I could spend all the time learning about software development
You will be spending your time learning about software development anyway, even if it doesn't seem like it.
Many people are surprised by the fact that the majority of software engineering is not actually just coding away. You learn many of those other skills in university. You also get to meet interesting people, some of whom might even end up getting you a job.

[zealous vector]

Thanks for the honest feedback and advise this is what I needed answered for the longest time!

[dusky mural]

Hi all! i'm currently pursing a b.e cse degree and already has self experience in developing, debugging and reverse engineering.
The programming languages which i have a known expertise are
Python, c/cpp, java(intermediate), assembly(will not code in assembly tho, mostly reverse engineering), web-dev(with next.js).
I'm 18 years old and am trying to get into one of the top tech companies at least as an intern at first in order to gain experience and get the exposure to the environment as i never worked as an intern for any companies before.

I would like to get some advice on the path that i took and what else i can do in order to stand out and work at FANG.
(I know im being blunt and immedietly aiming for FANG but it's not a crime to aim the impossible or almost impossible right? We will never know!)

[dry rapids]

!paste

[inner wren]

Pasting large amounts of code

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[buoyant seal]

To stand out
Having portfolio of full projects at GitHub

could be submitting PRs to b other open source projects

writing quality maintainable code.
Having written unit tests with good coverage (see book Unit tests by Khorikov and TDD by Kent Beck to learn stuff about it)

Having dynamic code typed, with typescript for Js, strict mypy or pyright for python

Having good variable, function names, comments, minimal code structure (see Code Complete 2n edition by McConnel)

Going further and learning througly code architecture, writing your own reusable libraries (see Clean Architecture by Robert Martin, but code Complete book should be read first. Optionally u can advance further with reading Refactoring by Martin Fowler)

Learning how to plan programming projects and gather requirements (read at least System Design by Alan Dennis, 8th edition. Optionally book Software Requirements by Karl wiegers)

Ah... forgot. Learn Docker and compose with book Docker Deep Dive (check latest edition for 2023 year). Some interns already expected to know it (for backend positions)

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So.... could be great start if u learned Unit tests and made portfolio. The rest of stuff is more optional, but u a likely to get questions regrading solid that are answered in Clean Architecture book

Portfolio should be having good documentation describing projects, how to use, how to install.
Could be nice having actually with releases

[dusky mural]

So about the portfolio, which do you think is preferrable, something simple and minimalistic or something that has parallax effect or 3d like portfolio bruno-simon ?

[dusky mural]

Alright

Thank you for spending your time and giving honest advices that could help me! Cheers 🙂

[buoyant seal]

Anything u have enthusiasm for. Best to make projects u have the most desire to do. Better chances to finish them to working minimum viable product.

If readme/presentations of a project will be having some cool visual stuff (easy accessable with shown screenshots/gif or smh) we will be of course impressed too.

But the most important to me just actually to see as much as big code sized project, structured in a good way, unit tested, good named and readable.

[dusky mural]

is unit testing really necessary ?

[buoyant seal]

Having cool effects are nice to see as an option, but by default nice to see explicit good usability of a project for users. Solving some user problems. Even if it for games : 😊

Making it useful for users, attractive to use

[dusky mural]

ohhh

[white relic]

If you're trying to impress at one of the top ~10 tech companies and you have no prior work experience, probably, yeah

[dusky mural]

What about resumes and cv ? Is there a specific format that needs to followed ? is the resume structure important as much as the skills that a person develops ?

[dusky mural]

I see

[white relic]

Not necessarily because you're doing a project that has to be unit tested for its own sake (although it's often a good idea) but because it shows you know about the concept and take initiative to do things right

[buoyant seal]

I expect all developers from middle level already writing them as part of workflow all the time

It is absolute necessity in my opinion in all serious projects for work, at least if u write in. Js/TS, for python it is absolutely must, because they are runtime too much breakable. All projects in Js/python need them if they are beyond simple script. Unit testing in those languages are easy to setup.
Java is good testable and easy to setup for testing too, it needs them too.

I can understand some problematicness to do it in c/CPP/assemble though. More tough ecosystems to deal with (never managed to make it personally in those languages, never really invested myself beyond student level into those languages too though)

[dusky mural]

Ohhh

Alright folks, thanks for the advice ^^