career-advice

[hearty island]

that's a unicorn role

[true harness]

that's not a requirement bullet

[hearty island]

oh

[dark arrow]

loving the "and more!"

[pine sleet]

why is scheme on there 💀

[fringe sphinx]

that's one heckuva stack

[true harness]

certainly one of the stacks of all time

[delicate bane]

nobody commented about java being on there twice

[true harness]

they got the whole JVM stack 😭

[near ocean]

Double java nosql rest apis sure sounds exciting

[dense mesa]

Technically strong but operationally weak, I can't think of anyone in my network looking to go there currently

It's not a secret what's happening at the company, you constantly post about these things so I assumed you had some idea about it

[dim rose]

Hi all,

Can I ask for some for a little advice on my situation? For context, I am 46 and have spent my professional career as a self-funded derivatives trader. Been using Python and Pandas for strategy research for about the past 6 years. After digging into CS, I decided a few years ago that I’d like to change career to software development.

I already have an engineering degree, but to help change lanes I enrolled on a CS undergrad, and once I had enough credit courses, moved straight to an online MSc in CS at University of Texas.
It has taken a couple of years to get to this point, and I’m 1/3 of the way through the MSc. Started applying for junior dev roles a few months back but got nowhere, and so spread the net to quant research, data analyst, data science, application support. But still, I’m not really getting anywhere. Had a couple of technical interviews but flunked them.

Now I’m somewhat losing faith in the possibility to change career, given my age. And I’m questioning the value of continuing the MSc for that purpose. For those with recruiting experience, would having a completed MSc make that big a difference? ie someone my age making past first sift, or not?

Many thanks in advance.

[deft herald]

Having a degree in engineering + some experience already coding should be roughly equivalent to a BS in CS already

[gilded valley]

capital one is massive and old - it's no surprise that they don't have a single cohesive stack

[deft herald]

I would focus on landing a job now and finishing your MSc while working if possible. Lots of companies will pay for ongoing education too

[gilded valley]

if you were a competent trader, I'm sure you can land interviews for quant researcher roles at hedge funds etc. From there you can pivot into quant dev

[dim rose]

I have been attempting that path. Been difficult to translate my being self-employed into something they are interested in. Despite operating in very similar space.

[hearty island]

whoms't, my internship company plummeted in the fortune 500 list

[dense mesa]

A reasonable quant place isn't going to put any value on a retail trader and their strategies

[true harness]

!rule 6 ?

[inner wren]

Rules

6. Do not post unapproved advertising.

[dense mesa]

<@&831776746206265384> massive spam

[mild marlin]

why. I am only trying to help the student community

[peak halo]

@mild marlin self-promotion is not allowed

[mild marlin]

Not engaging in self promotion. This is only meant to help the student community. These videos are for free. I myself created it

[peak halo]

yes, you created them, and now you're encouraging people to watch them. which is self-promotion.

[mild marlin]

But that is for the benifit of the community. Not my personal benefit

[peak halo]

I'm not making any assumptions about your intentions. I'm just telling you that it's not allowed.

[dense mesa]

You have a very unpleasant way of addressing people

Because you address people with an air of extreme confidence, I thought you'd have something substantial to back it up with but apparently ny

[true harness]

Again, I assumed public void knew that QR position was out for intern, so I just threw it lol xd
@modern ore why would you assume that lol

Cause I just assumed you were actively lookin for internships for next summer tbh, but 🤷‍♀️
@modern ore there are many fields in software dev. i thought it was quite clear i wasn't that interested in quant...

[gentle wyvern]

why you doing the quote thing and twice pinging them? ik its offtopic but still

[gilded valley]

what is your goal with posting in this channel?

you don't seem to give advice, you are antagonistic towards people at the same point in their careers as you, and you don't seem to seek the advice of people who are in the jobs you are aiming at.

you lack the humility to seek advice and apparently the will to help others.

is it to post memey hot takes ala #career-advice message

[dense mesa]

Because I'm not looking to dignify your question with a response

I hadn't even seen this, what is this meant to even represent?

[tropic drift]

Hi. Am i allow to post a survey I created for my upcoming project?

[dense mesa]

Have you contributed a single message of value to this channel?

[summer roost]

no, we don't allow surveys here

[tropic drift]

can i post a link to google form here? I think i got kicked out from another server because of it

[summer roost]

you can't, no.

[tropic drift]

@summer roost thanks. just in this channel or all?

[muted urchin]

what can i do to earn money from python at a young age?

[pine sleet]

Depends on what "young age" is

[near ocean]

The mere existence of such list makes it unbased

[muted urchin]

14

[summer roost]

all - we don't allow surveys.

[pine sleet]

Unfortunately there is not much you can do to make money from that age - the best thing you can do is build up your skills, keep your grades up, and work towards a CS degree at uni

[muted urchin]

ight

[tropic drift]

Any idea where I can safely post my survey to developers ?

[deft herald]

Yeah. If you want to make money now, you just need to find any job

[near ocean]

have you tried reddit?

[dense mesa]

Quant and big tech recruitment is a small world, if you behave anyway remotely like this in person, you're not going to get very far in the industry

[tropic drift]

or if you got few years of exp in the tech industry as professional, please PM me so i can send you the survey

[tropic drift]

I have not yet, no. You know any recommended sub reddits that can be suitable ?

[near ocean]

i wish we could do some separating here too yes

[gilded valley]

I just try not to be a prick online or off

[near ocean]

quant shit and the grind is all you post about, give it a rest or something

tier lists are for youtube clowns, come on man you know better

[vapid jay]

How's that working out for you?

[pine sleet]

[marsh wind]

To put simply, don't be a prick. Period 😉

Does wonders to building good relationships

[celest kite]

This sort of comment is... Sorta rude itself TBH

[peak halo]

Everyone be good

[hardy shore]

I dont want a like software engineering job yet at all, I just want a job that has to do with tech or IT cos thats what im interested in. because I dont want my job to be maccas or something I wont be happy at all at

[peak halo]

Is maccas McDonald's?

So you're looking for a "tech job" that's essentially food service or retail tier?

[hardy shore]

yes maccas is McDonald's (im australian)

and no it doesn't have to be on that level. Just a tech job thats possible for a 15 year old to get without a degree and stuff

[celest kite]

Embrace the maccas. It'll be... Character building

[hardy shore]

ive worked there before.

[peak halo]

You might consider working in a computer hardware store

[hardy shore]

I hadnt thought of that. I'll look into it. thankyou

[fringe sphinx]

There are many jobs that are ‘adjacent’ to software engineering. Many cs majors don’t become software engineers. For example, sales engineering is a customer facing role that is very interesting and rewarding for technical minded people (it’s not sales, nor engineering, but a bit of both)… altho looking again, none of this is helpful to a 15 year old.

[hardy shore]

yea..

[safe coral]

So you recommend me to rewrite my resume? @fringe sphinx

[celest kite]

Yep

[safe coral]

Alright

[near ocean]

This isnt careers related, the channel isn't a way for you to get around image permissions in pygen

[grave hound]

yes it is. i want a career in tic tac toe

dont mute me pls geek

[summer roost]

!warn 1132758979739660439 Please respect channel topics. Posting off-topic images is rude.

[inner wren]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied warning to @grave hound.

[safe coral]

Identified areas of improvement in hotel management by analyzing the data on Guest Voice framework.
Implemented various regression techniques to forecast guest satisfaction, increasing positive feedbacks by 20 percent.
Designed various visualizations for the hotel management to help them understand the needs and expectations of hotel guests.
Wrote reports and created presentations for the hotel management to help them improve or change business models.

does this look any better?

[fringe sphinx]

I think you could tighten it up. It’s a bit verbose. I don’t think it’s bad, but long three line bullets lose impact. Maybe challenge yourself to fit it into one page and see what happens.

[safe coral]

how does this look? @fringe sphinx

[fringe sphinx]

I’ll check later, just stepping out

[safe coral]

okay

what do you think @summer roost

[summer roost]

"positive feedbacks" should be "positive feedback", because "feedback" isn't a countable noun. I think that's your strongest item there, though - the 20% increase in positive feedback from guests is a quantifiable benefit associated with your efforts. You mentioned yesterday that you had some cost savings as well, related to emphasizing cheaper foods in buffets or the like - are you able to quantify any of those benefits?

[safe coral]

yeah

[summer roost]

the strongest bullets will be the ones where you can describe a thing that you did, and explain why that thing was a good thing, and what benefits it brought about

[safe coral]

okay 🙂

[true harness]

👏 demonstrated 👏 impact 👏

[carmine shoal]

I also don't have a strong programming background, but I am decent at Math( Not learned specifically ML and AI math).
I have two options to choose from
Data Scientist or AI ML
Which one should I go for?
I want to be flexible so I can change if I want to change one further down my career. Also my curriculum is 2 years long to learn programming.

Will I have enough time to be good enough at programming to pursue ML? Or should I choose Data Scientist as it requires relatively less programming knowledge from what I have heard

[safe coral]

Data Science requires coding in R and Python and some SQL during the college @carmine shoal

[white relic]

What does it mean that you have two options to choose from? What does it mean that "my curriculum is 2 years long to learn programming"? (Neither DS nor ML will be very accessible with only a 2 year degree.)

[hardy shore]

I know this isnt related to python but, I recently bought a tp-link powerline adapter witch connects two ethernet cables to each one so I can have it long range. but when I get them all setup. my internet speed is EXACTLY the same. shouldnt it give me atleast I tiny boost?

[summer roost]

this is the #career-advice channel

[buoyant seal]

Why won't u try both at real stuff and see what u like more?

I have a very opinionated answer of my own opinion of both fields, but I am hesitant to even voice it, because it is my preferences to what I like, not you. It feels to me wrong recommending here smth based on MY interests.
I am for example interested in transhumanism (as in cyborgs and transferring human mind to electronic platform), you aren't really likely to share my interests. And what interests you is important here. Because enthusiasm and interest can make every work day a heaven and easy road. And lack of it to make eternal hell

P.s. if I was a strong mathematician though today, I would have tried going data science way. But I would have also researched if there are job vacancies for that and what kind of requirements are present. If there are not, then ML would be better choice may be. And again we would need to research job vacancies and requirements
Or even not any of them but smth third

[hardy shore]

sorry

[turbid fiber]

Hi guys! Can anyone tell me how to import a module without using pip?

[snow rapids]

pip is for installing. import for importing. Better place to ask is help channel

[summer roost]

!tempban 710449065879404554 7d Seems like you joined just to advertise.

[inner wren]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied ban to @tough gull until <t:1691644001:f> (7 days).

[summer roost]

This is the #career-advice channel. You want #❓｜how-to-get-help

[celest kite]

I'm going to disagree with that last part. The number of job vacancies today has little bearing on... Well anything really.

[buoyant seal]

number of job vanacies still has great matter for beginners. Because getting hired for beginners internationally is quite difficult.
they have far better chances with local hiring

and secondly requirements in those job vanacies do matter too. if they will be requiring all bachelor's master's degree. it would be difficult to meet requirements

[marsh wind]

I think what jarhules wants to say is that if you going for degree now, the job market can evolve in 2 years

[celest kite]

Yeah. This.

Plus; if it's something that you have a burning passion for, maybe it doesn't matter if there's 100,000 vacancies vs 1,000. Imagine Einstein not choosing physics because he read there weren't that many job opportunities in the field.

[marsh wind]

tbh, I don't think over 2 years it changes dramatically... At least between ML/AI positions and Dev.

I do agree 100% with passion thing - I'd advise against making career choice solely based on market demand... Cause if you gotta do it for 10, 20, 40 years... make sure you find pleasure in doing it

[vapid jay]

with the cominc of AI the only positions that are gonna be lessened by it will be the "monkey coders" so those who don't have that much experience and work on fields that are easy to do, as they are trying to limit AI atm, and even if AI is not restrained devs will be needed to build it anyway 👀

[vapid jay]

there will always be vancancies so why not go for it? ok maybe its easier to do one than the other but you still need to see what you want to do, fun is a big part in this job, if you don't enjoy what you are doing its all useless..

[buoyant seal]

regarding Machine Learning for sure it can change in two years. This is kind of quite fresh field with a lot of experimentation
Data science on another hand looks to me more stable. Mathematician with programming skills is mathematician with programming skills after all. It is not some Neural network

[marsh wind]

ML is part of Data Science though 🙂

[buoyant seal]

Sub part 😛

[marsh wind]

yeah, whatever 😂

[buoyant seal]

if to concentrate more on foundation (Data science) instead of (Machine Learning)
We could receive more reusable stable foundation first
Before jumping into more risky sections

[marsh wind]

as someone whos official title in the work contract is Data scientist, I am pretty sure that in this fields, actual job titles are almost meaningless 😛

[carmine shoal]

It is actually an extension to my 3 year degree

[carmine shoal]

I see, do you have any resources that tells about the jobs ? Like any yt video or something

[marsh wind]

tbh, it's better for you to do your own research 🙂 there is no unique resource on this kind of stuff. And, better yet, talk to people you know who work different jobs

[buoyant seal]

kaggle.com has a lot of ML stuff at least in terms of real projects
technically data science too in people doing the researchs

[carmine shoal]

Alright

[stray wagon]

Hi everyone, I'm currently a second year student and haven't picked a major yet, my options are compsci, cybersec, intelligent systems, IoT and software engineering. I've got a passion for programming and I'm about to start my third year soon so I want to know how i can develop my programming skills more, why do you guys code? I think what I lack is an end-goal so i can work towards, improve, and branch out from. Sorry if this was too long or if this is the wrong channel I'm new here

[proven crest]

why do you guys code?
Ok I wrote a super long life story, but to sum it up. I was always interested in tech but never considered a career in it (I have no idea why) Whilst working in a sales job I realised a lot of my work could be automated, I started learning Python in order to do this. I thoroughly enjoyed working with and learning python It felt incredibly rewarding to build a functioning program that saved me hours.
I continued learning python, building projects and automating my work in spare time until I realised I can do this as a career. I never looked back. I still love it and its incredibly rewarding.

I code because I enjoy it. Its work, and it gets stressful and its hard but I enjoy it. If I won the lottery today I wouldn't stop coding.

[proven crest]

It's also totally ok not to have an end goal. Live in the moment. If you know you want to work in Cybersecurity, obviously choose that. You sound like you want to work in SWE, so pick that. But honestly, choose which ever one interests you the most. If you're interested in coding, start a project that interests you

[vital wyvern]

Computer Science translates well into Cybersecurity. The inverse isn't always true. If you're undecided, I'd stick with CS and go that route.

[cinder fossil]

imo plain compsci is the most versatile route if you can't decide

[vital wyvern]

Throwing up a resume for a gentle community review. Targeting Security Analyst positions.

[near ocean]

over valid 500 detections ?

[hearty island]

why is education last?

also guys do i ask my boss for a recommendation on LinkedIn... would it make a difference?

[vital wyvern]

500+ malicious packages detected and removed utilizing said YARA rules.

whereas saying simply '500 detections' could imply that they were potentially false positives.

[vital wyvern]

AAS is in an irrelevant field. It doesn't feel correct to place it higher up in the list.

I mean it's in a technical field I guess, but not... Cybersecurity.

[hearty island]

ah, ok

[near ocean]

So > over 500 valid detections

[vital wyvern]

I'm not sure what you're saying, I'm sorry.

[hearty island]

applying to hamilton lane, wish me luck

[near ocean]

Switch the words around so it makes sense grammatically

[vital wyvern]

oh shit Welp.

[near ocean]

Sorry, its minor but its the first thing i noticed

[vital wyvern]

nah good call.

[hearty island]

there is a special place in hell for companies that ask for a salary in the application process

[near ocean]

current * 1.2 and you're done

Maybe even more

[true harness]

or 0 or blank ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[hearty island]

0 or blank isn't allowed

[near ocean]

"no price on this? must mean its free haha" 💀

[vital wyvern]

God bless companies that allow you to edit resumes after submitting, honestly.

[hearty island]

what does "competitive salary" even mean? competing against my bills?

[true harness]

against the market rate, lol

[hearty island]

hamilton lane pays $80K starting for analysts

[fringe sphinx]

My two cents on experience section: 5 bullets is too much, especially with two multi-line bullets at the end. The first three bullets seem impactful enough, with the what you did / why it matters / how you did it. On first bullet, maybe qualify the type of detections to give it more substance.

[burnt thistle]

For hiring managers out there, do you still give out data structure & algorithm test to the candidate, if yes why, if no why?

[fringe sphinx]

I think a statement of purpose would be interesting, since you don't list a job title (or obfuscated them): What kind of role are you looking for? With security up top, are you focused on infosec, or more broadly a SWE position/etc?

[vital wyvern]

Fair. I blurred the dates but that's an 8 year timeframe that I'm trying to capture. 🥴 Was trying to give it due diligence.
This is targeting Threat Detection/Incident Response type job postings. The verbiage for a lot of it was captured directly from a specific job posting, and I adjust it as necessary on a per posting basis.

Job roles were blurred but they're Analytics based. The specific titles more or less indicate where and when I worked at the locations unfortunately.

[fringe sphinx]

Oh, I was talking about the vipy part... 5 bullets for a few months is too much imo

[vital wyvern]

Ah. Whoops!

[fringe sphinx]

But also, I think first bullet should say something about malware

[vital wyvern]

Yeah I think that's a fair criticism. Will adjust that!

[fringe sphinx]

Folks in the field might know what yara is, but recruiters wont

[near ocean]

You guys run vipyr, right? Should mention something (more specific than "Project")

[vital wyvern]

Well it's not really a workplace so I'm not sure how to classify it.

[near ocean]

A relaxing afternoon passtime of hunting down skiddies

[vital wyvern]

Lol, it's a bit more than that now 😅 We're pretty involved in the core third party anti-malware system of PyPI.
Scope wise, it could easily be a legitimate job role, but I'm not sure that... that feels correct, I guess.

[fringe sphinx]

Maybe put a tagline or something underneath Vipyr... this might be too long but (borrowing from https://github.com/vipyrsec): "Volunteer open source trust and security team."

[near ocean]

You should mention that and the PSF thing on the first bullet point i think

[vital wyvern]

All good points. I'd like to link to our website but it feels... strange I guess.

[fringe sphinx]

For your most recent job experience: The third bullet is perhaps the more interesting one, and maybe lead with SQL injection: "Eliminated SQL injection vulnerabilities in legacy ETL codebase, replacing with a secure Python + Pandas pipeline

[near ocean]

Why? You could link to a github org page as well

[vital wyvern]

I'm in a weird position where I don't have a lot of relevant experience, but depending on how the next few weeks plays out, I might need to make significant space for a certification stack.

So I'm struggling already for vertical space, adding in our GitHub link or a tagline eats up some of that I think.

[fringe sphinx]

This is more about getting past the recruiter/HR: think about making the first bullet pop with something relevant (malware, sql injection, etc)

The problem with vipyr, without something saying it's an "organization" is that it appears like yet another portfolio project.

[near ocean]

Yep
As for links, you could replace the tech used with the link, you already mention the tech in your bullet points

[vital wyvern]

I find that to be an exceedingly fair criticism. Do you think retooling a bullet without overtly saying that is reasonable?

[fringe sphinx]

Maybe don't label it 'projects'? I dunno, just thinking about that: it's a little weird for your volunteer/projects to be above experience, fwiw.

[fringe sphinx]

Unclear what you mean here.

[vital wyvern]

I agree, I guess the way I was casting it, it was the most relevant experience I have.
RE: unclear, I'm saying could I retool a bullet to indicate that this is an organization of sorts, rather than overtly adding a tagline or explanation as to what Vipyr Security is?

[fringe sphinx]

Oh yah, that makes sense... my point really was that a recruiter could skip right over it, when I think it's a great part of the resume: it shows your interest and commitment to the field, beyond just having a job.

[vital wyvern]

Do you think Volunteering is a more appropriate title, along with reorganizing it to occur at the final portion under education?

[fringe sphinx]

Usual flow I see is: Purpose (one sentence, optional), Skills, Experience, Projects, Education, Interests (option).

[true harness]

yeah I also had difficulty capturing the "org aspect" of it. you saw what I did with it last night right?

[fringe sphinx]

I'm not sure on best way to label it, maybe other people might have a suggestion on that.

[vital wyvern]

Does this perhaps read a bit better?

[vital wyvern]

I think I did but I might've blanked it. I'll go back and re-reference it though.

[fringe sphinx]

just my stream of thought: like the first bullet. second bullet I'm not sure about (I get the point, but it's one of those; how much contribution could any one perhaps really provide vs what the org provided as a whole?), 3 and 5: could perhaps be combined. 6: seems like we're repeating what's covered in 1-5

Maybe in first bullet, add PyPI, as I had to think twice about whether that was PyPI you're referring to

[vital wyvern]

Hmm. It seems this format might not be best to cover everything that we touch in Vipyr lol. There's about 5 different subprojects under the organization itself.
RE: PyPI. Would it make sense like this? Core contributor to Python Package Index (PyPI) third party...

Struggling to be explicit where necessary and allow individuals who know what they're looking at to infer acronyms where I can to save some vertical space.

As far as organizational guidance, I was the primary rep (and the only rep speaking) for the org, and our recommendations fell in line with Microsoft and Google's recommendations in the same series of meetings.

[fringe sphinx]

Oh, that's interesting. That's different than "organizational guidance"... maybe "Represented organization" or something more concrete about your role

[vital wyvern]

Hmm. I'll spend some time hacking away at this. Good calls on all of the above, I'll circle back with the feedback implemented.

Oh and thank you. ❤️

[gritty sinew]

Hello Everyone
My name is Sanjay
I’m learning Python Development
I’m from India

I’m here to build network with rest other Pythonists out there in the world.

[celest kite]

You should make your bullets shaped like bullets

[undone lantern]

I agree

[severe shale]

Hello. Do you think it's worth it paying for a certificate of such courses? I currently have nothing, I am just a beginner building Discord bots and some programs useful for me. I'd like to change my career and be a programmer.

Is this a good start to grasp some basics and potentially add something in my bio?

https://www.edx.org/course/introduction-to-computer-science-and-programming-7

[shadow oracle]

they have a free course also

i signed up but tbf its quite long and id prefer learning from a yt video

[true harness]

I would say do the course but don't pay for the certificate

[shadow oracle]

^

https://youtu.be/XKHEtdqhLK8

[severe shale]

I know. I will watch these courses anyways, I am just asking if it's worth paying for the certificate.

[shadow oracle]

ohh

$300 for a certificate is a lot , its up to u but i didnt

[true harness]

it's not

[severe shale]

I thought it was 70€

Anyway, what's something I could do to add "something" in my bio to show that I know python?

[true harness]

projects using python

[severe shale]

What are some good projects a beginner could do in order to be considered for a job?

[near ocean]

Projects dont get you a job, what about education?

[true harness]

it's not really about the project itself, but the skills you demonstrate with it. you will want to look at the job requirements and create projects that demonstrate you meet them

and yeah. college education is the primary way for people to get into the swe market

[severe shale]

Ok then...I'll watch the course while I'm still testing stuff on my discord bots and other things I get the ideas of making.

[dapper bane]

Do u speak hindi or hinglish we can chat or talk

Guys what should I learn for freelancing in python ?

Is webscraping a good idea ?

[gritty rivet]

It's in demand, but there's a lot of competition. Beginner freelance works pays peanuts and is no way to make a living

[dapper bane]

Is there something else with exception of AI also I live in a 3rd world country even $15/ hour to 30$/ hour is very high for me

[gritty rivet]

People with multiple years of experience charge that rate. They will get the jobs before you do. Even if you manage to land an occasional job at that rate, it may be a few hours per client, and you will spend many unpaid hours chasing the work.

So my point is, if you need real money focus on getting a real job. If you're not just doing it for fun and a bit of pocket change, freelancing is for the highly experienced

[dapper bane]

Damn

[fringe sphinx]

There’s many types of contract/freelance work, but it takes more than skill. Networking: you need clients. Skills: you need to offer something people need and is in demand. Resources: you have to be able to get through downtime (like Dowcet said)

[dapper bane]

Shit man my luck is whack

[fringe sphinx]

And generally, it’s like working two jobs: you spend as much time chasing clients as you do working.

[wanton birch]

Anyone here in the automotive industry?

[fringe sphinx]

What’s luck have to do with it?

[dapper bane]

Idk wat do ya think

[dapper bane]

So I need to get a job ?

[fringe sphinx]

Not sure what you’re asking. I was only commenting on freelancing. You make your own decisions.

[dapper bane]

If I can't do freelancing and stuff then I should try for a job or open source

?

[gritty rivet]

You can try pitching for freelance work, applying for jobs, and contributing to open source projects all at once if you want to.

We don't know your goals, education level or anything else. If you want a career as a SWE and have no degree, I would start there.

[smoky beacon]

any computational biologists here?

[sour tartan]

what would you ask them if there were? Usually it's best to jump right in.

[pine kraken]

Hey guys do you know a lil bit of finance ? Cause i have a trading ai that i try to finish … could someone help me please 🙏. This AI has a very big potential, the people who accept to help can keep the code and run it … it’s about 95% done

If ur interested please ping 📌 me

Wym

I can share it if you want there is no problem

[fickle drum]

Hey guys I’m building a ChatGPT bot to auto generate resumes based a jobs description. Anyone interested in helping. It’s about 75% done. It’s written In Python.

[pine kraken]

No it’s not because i’m winning nothing by “advertising” and it ain’t even a product

@modern ore what do you think

[summer roost]

!tempban 1133848681074917457 7d You've already been told not to advertise your videos here.

[inner wren]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied ban to @mild marlin until <t:1691700144:f> (7 days).

[summer roost]

so, like, fraud?

[fickle drum]

Nope the bot will know your tech stack and past experiences to tailor your experience to the job description.

@summer roost so not like fraud. It’ll never say anything you haven’t done

[boreal cedar]

Hi,

Just wanted your opinion guys.

IBM is hiring recent graduates for following roles:

Package Consultant-SAP HANA FIN FI
Package Consultant-SAP HANA SCM MM
Application Developer-SAP ABAP HANA
Package Specialist-SAP HANA SCM PP
Package Consultant-SAP HR
Package Specialist-Microsoft Business Applications
Application Consultant & Developer-DevOps
Package Consultant-Oracle Banking
Package Consultant-Adobe Commerce
Application Developer-Hybrid Cloud Manager
Application Architect-Oracle Applications

I have no idea about SAP HANA SCM etc X(

Being recent graduate and someone who have hands on skills with Java, Dart(Flutter), JavaScript [MERN stack + Next JS] some hands on experience with Docker

What do you suggest I should go for by taking future prospects of these position in mind?

Thanks in Advance

[near ocean]

These dont look like graduate roles going by the title

What graduate can consult, why would anyone hire some fresh uni child to be a consultant

[boreal cedar]

Idk their hrs and engineers are sharing this on their linkedin

Oppurtunity for recent grads blah blah

[summer roost]

"consultant", "specialist", and "architect" definitely don't sound like recent grad roles to me, either.

[pine kraken]

Hey guys do you know a lil bit of finance ? Cause i have a trading ai that i try to finish … could someone help me please 🙏. This AI has a very big potential, the people who accept to help can keep the code and run it to generate money… it’s about 95% done

[near ocean]

Stop spamming guy, jesus

[summer roost]

this seems totally unrelated to the channel topic

[pine kraken]

Ah my bad then sorry

[summer roost]

!mute 1071129939056795788 Take a break to review our #code-of-conduct. Telling other users to "shut the f*ck up" is not welcome here.

[inner wren]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied timeout to @pine kraken until <t:1691099891:f> (1 hour).

[safe coral]

how do you like this? @summer roost

Aggregated data from Guest Voice framework to deploy guest satisfaction engine, increasing guest engagement by 15%.
Implemented various regression forecasting techniques to predict booking statistics, increasing staff preparedness by 20%.
Designed business models to increase the hotel revenue using the fiscal reports, increasing revenue by 10% each year.
Created visualizations and wrote reports to the management to help them with their administrative decisions, increasing overall hotel performance by 17%.

[celest kite]

He goes by dietydork now

[safe coral]

Used PSSA and Keystone State Test data to visualize trends in Columbia and Montour counties from 2017 to 2022.
Performed various statistical models to examine the effect of COVID-19 on test scores in Columbia and Montour counties.
Extracted granular data to create school and subject based visualizations, helping teachers develop solutions to challenging problems.
Wrote a technical report to the Chamber and school headmasters with findings, increasing their readiness and productivity by 12%.

@celest kite hows this?

[peak halo]

if you're going to fine-tune a generative AI like GPT-*, you can't guarantee that

[summer roost]

This is the #career-advice channel

[tiny lagoon]

Please how do I go about these

[summer roost]

see #❓｜how-to-get-help

[smoky quest]

this feels alright.
I also appreciate it's not just 6 weeks and takes more time.

That said, you should expect a lot more work besides it to build projects and a worthy profile

and mandatory: if you are in HS or college age, a CS degree will be the path of least resistance and with the most opportunities and compensation

[wanton birch]

Forgot to mention,** thank you all** for help with the resume suggestions. This time I got one response around 100 applications sent in. This is much better than before. I hope I'll hear from more employers soon 😄

[fickle drum]

Why not if you specifically say build bullets based on my experience????

I am using openai at the moment, I am down to bounce some ideas and test different ones

[tiny lagoon]

@fickle drum which openai can I use

[buoyant seal]

!rule 6 9 , delete your message please. It is not fitting current server rules.

[inner wren]

Rules

6. Do not post unapproved advertising.

9. Do not offer or ask for paid work of any kind.

[robust dome]

Hello guys 👋. I'm kind of new to programming and I will be starting uni next year and I want to build my application before then. Is there any advanced projects you guys could suggest that no college would ignore?

I plan on majoring in computer science

[proven crest]

My advise would be to build something you are passionate about, something that's unique as opposed to a project plucked on a list you found online.

Perhaps think of any problems you could create solutions for.

[robust dome]

I appreciate the help

[fringe sphinx]

Also, look for volunteer opportunities, such as at local coding for kids programs.

[hearty island]

ooh kpmg hiring project managers, we like that

it's in missouri tho 💀, or as i like to call it misery

and it also requires 3 years of experience, but i do have the capm which is one of the required certs

but they're not going to look at my app since i'm not graduating till another 8 months 4 weeks

[hearty island]

can i just say "BBA" during an interview? as in bachelors of business administration?

[distant drum]

hi, so this is a general question but im interested in trying for GSOC 2024 and was wondering if im better off doing a webdev tech stack or would ML/DS be a better option?
i would appreciate other alternatives as well
Thanks

[hearty island]

what do we think?

[true harness]

i can't imagine they would not ask you what it meant if they didn't know

[hearty island]

ok sounds good

if i was asked "tell me about yourself" is it better to just paraphrase my resume or is it better to clarify first and be like "where would you like me to begin?"

[distant abyss]

hlo

[buoyant seal]

i heard only about MBA abbreviation 😅 not sure how BBA is common

[gritty rivet]

This depends entirely on you, your strengths, interests, etc.

[hearty island]

bba is the undergrad degree

[hearty island]

is walk me through your resume basically the same thing as tell me about yourself?

[dense mesa]

No

[hearty island]

then how do you answer walk me through your resume?

if it's not the same thing?

[dense mesa]

By talking about your education, experience, etc

[true harness]

you talk about your resume. "tell me about yourself" is for things not on the resume

[smoky quest]

tbh, I sort of use them interchangeably since it gives me the control over the narrative and the opportunity to highlight stuff I want them to know

[proven crest]

Why not just say the degree in its simplest form?

[keen shell]

Hey, any data engineers here?
I have 1 year experience as a data analyst and I am trying to break into data engineering.
I know python, sql, hadoop, spark and azure(adf, databricks) and aslo basics of airflow.
Is this enough to land a job?

[hearty island]

yeah i'll just do that. thanks

[empty burrow]

Hi there! I'm Luis, I'm just seeing what's going on Python stuff, I'm a bit bored of Java and the same kind of projects (build a microservice just for a crud operation) I'm being a software developer the last 7 years, then I'm interested to learn Python and some data engineering. I'm writing this from Chile.
Someone has the same mixed feeling here?

[vale harbor]

Hey guys Need some clarification... just now completed python full stack course includes django frame cant land a job for a month ... Iam in india and some say python is for ML and data science.... It is not worth for web development... Whats reality iam confused can anyone guide me, thanks

[proven crest]

I think if you’re confused about the pythons applications you probably aren’t job ready

[near ocean]

Certificates wont help you get a job

[vale harbor]

No i know about applications but iam confused that is there vacancy or not for django developer

[vale harbor]

Got skills but no interview calls

[proven crest]

If you search for Django developer do you see jobs?

[vale harbor]

Yeah

[proven crest]

Then that’s your answer

[vale harbor]

👍

[delicate bane]

i think DE is a good path

[brazen anvil]

Hi anyone

My backg is python is it fine to go to datascience

[true harness]

python is often used in data science

[brazen anvil]

But my 11th and 12th i did not study math

My math is ok ok but not good

[empty burrow]

I know that feel bro, I'm not confident into take the Data Science path because of that point

[keen shell]

Look into data engineering

[fringe sphinx]

What grade / year are you in?

[brazen anvil]

I do not which career path to take:
I did python(numpy pandas matplotlib ... etc) with commerce basically commerce with IT
Now doing BCA which had math in 2 semester like math and stats which was fine for me and got good grades and didnt feel like really hard but fine

[fringe sphinx]

Is a bca like a btech?

[delicate bane]

for anyone serious about this i recommend Fund. of DE by Joe Reis and Matt Housley

[brazen anvil]

No

[brazen anvil]

Bachelors in computer applications

[fringe sphinx]

Data science is math, but true DS roles are relatively rare... compared to pure SWE positions (that may or may not be called data engineers). It's also very hard to pick a narrow career path: the reality is, you may not get your pick of positions, and it's better to have more options than narrowly aim for a specific role like DE. Some firms have DE teams, but other firms it's just part of the SWE teams, without a separate title.

So, my advice is: build a broad foundation. Build up data engineering skills, play around with DS technology, but don't neglect the rest of your skillsets

[brazen anvil]

Wats ds data structures

[fringe sphinx]

data science

[empty burrow]

That means in the real world you’re a Data Scientist that implements data pipelines as a Data engineering role? Is it all mixed?

[fringe sphinx]

every org is different. There are few "pure" data science roles... like phd level real science stuff. Data science has always been 80%+ about the data pipeline, 15% about the tools, and 5% about the science (I'm making up these percents, but just conveying my opinion)

[peak halo]

I agree with your opinion.

[empty burrow]

Well I’m not sure if I’m believing what I want and ignoring what it is, however I’m bored to do the same in Java, I always end in the same field by implementing a spring boot microservice or maintaining a monolith, the only funny thing I found recently is to take on cloud computing, everything else I’m tired 🥱 of doing the same process every time 😆

That’s the reason why I’m pretty interested in the data science field

[dire herald]

Hey can someone explain to me in simple terms what ict is ? And what does an ict engineer do ? I've read about it and can't actually grasp the meaning.

[delicate bane]

same

[brazen anvil]

Can u suggest me a field thar i can go into with the background that i am in nw other than data science -

[fringe sphinx]

I don't know your background, I don't really know what a BCA degree is... but sounds like a software engineering education / background.

So, look for software engineering positions. Try to be a well rounded programmer.

[celest kite]

I too, agree with your opinion

[brazen anvil]

BCA is a three-year undergraduate program covering all computer applications areas, including software, hardware, and networks. The course has a lot of potential in India because there is a lot of need for qualified and experienced IT professionals.

[peak halo]

if I change my opinion, does that mean you stop agreeing with BillyBobby?

[brazen anvil]

Yes

[celest kite]

My opinion is your opinion oh admin my admin.

[brazen anvil]

But i started it though

[fringe sphinx]

Oh, so that's broader than software engineering. So, perhaps look for QA, IT / IT Helpdesk, DevOps (some roles = Software Engineers, and other roles are broader), etc.

[brazen anvil]

I dont like software engineering

I like python though 😅

[dire herald]

.

[dense mesa]

ICT is a fairly outdated term, I don't think I've ever heard of "ICT engineer"

[gritty rivet]

If it is true that you have skills to match the jobs, and you're applying for lots of them and getting zero calls, then that generally points to a resume issue. Get as much feedback on it as you can and keep improving it.

[hearty island]

thanks SMBC, very helpful

[brazen anvil]

wat is the pipeline referd to in data science

[vivid sinew]

If anyone tried to learn python from the course Python for everyone from the University of Michigan, I want him to tell me about the course pros and cons

[near ocean]

Is anyone aware of job post aggregators for remote first/only companies?

[gritty rivet]

https://www.ibm.com/topics/data-pipeline

[gritty rivet]

Most major job board sites have a remote filter, and there are dedicated sites like FlexJobs

So many lists like this, not sure if any aggregate more then the others https://content.remote.tools/review-of-top-remote-job-boards-to-find-remote-work/

[prisma token]

Hello guys im just getting started into programming, im learning python right now, as i want to go into data analytics or engineering. Is python the way to go for these professions? I don't know much about the tech world yet.

[fringe sphinx]

Python is the most common first programming language taught today in US universities. Yes, it's a great place to start.

[prisma token]

Nice thats good to hear. Is it recommended to go school for this? I am trying to learn it myself as i cant really afford school atm.

[buoyant seal]

yes. highly recommended receiving CS degree in order having easy path to career
without degree, data analytics, data engineering or any other software engineering career is way harder to achieve (not impossible, but magnitudes more complicated)

[pine sleet]

If you plan to get a career in SWE or something similar, a CS degree is one of the best things you can do for yourself to kickstart your career

That's not to say it's impossible to get a CS job without a degree, but folks without one tend to have a harder time with it

[prisma token]

Okay that is good information. Thank you all. For the time being, have any reccommendations on what i should be focusing on in the mean time?

[pine sleet]

Work on projects, build up your skills, contribute to open source

[prisma token]

👍

[pearl veldt]

does anyone know what the best certifications for reverse engineers are? im looking to take a few to show my expertise so i dont have to go through the whole 4 year college bs

[sleek totem]

ig it depends on what type of software youre gonna reverse engineer

[vale breach]

At what age do you guys think is best for someone to learn how to program?

[gilded valley]

best to start on the first Friday of the first August after you turn seven. Failing that, as early as possible

[vapid jay]

Hello! What does bs mean?

[sleek totem]

in programming its the name of a compiler used in unix systems

[vapid jay]

Really?

Unix and Linux are two different OS?

[celest kite]

I'd actually say the first full moon after the spring equinox once a student has completed the initiation ritual

[gritty rivet]

Usuallycin this channel BS will mean https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bachelor_of_Science

But it also means bulls--t and I think that may be Anthy's intended meaning

[gritty rivet]

I'm not aware of any. Is "reverse engineer" a profession now?

The concensus in this channel is that a four your degree is almost always very worth it. But if you want to cut corners and do it faster, there are degree programs like WGU which can be done more quickly and pretty cheap

[peak halo]

I've never heard of "reverse engineer" as an occupation. what kinds of things do you want to reverse engineer?

Also, you should probably go to college.

[gilded valley]

GIAC certs from things like SANS courses do carry weight within infosec - I'm sure there's reverse engineering certs from them.

but only once your career is underway, you still want a degree in order to get in the door

[celest kite]

Reverse engineer is definitely a profession. At least in government run orgs (think NSA, or less savory equivalent groups in North Korea, Russia, etc).

[vapid jay]

@gritty rivet : Thank you. 🙂

[fringe sphinx]

I’m not familiar with that as a title, rather as a role of (some) security engineers. I’ve certainly had to reverse engineer certain things as a SWE, and that skill comes from being a good engineer with multidisciplinary skills.

[gilded valley]

no company I've worked at would ever let anyone not in infosec install ghidra/ida/whatever.

I don't think many software engineers are doing reverse engineering

[fringe sphinx]

Sure, but the folks doing reverse engineering are (ime) educated as software engineers (but in security engineering roles)

We are mixing two different topics in this thread: titles and education/certification. My point was really about education: reverse engineering is certainly a skill to be learnt, but you still need a SWE foundation.

[gilded valley]

anecdotally, I know far more people in those roles who came either from cyber-security degrees, or from degree apprenticeships at cyber security places. but those are almost all young people in the first 5y of their career - and in the UK - so it could be that this is something changing over time.

I also think the degree is more of a correlation than a causation.

In terms of actual skills required, I think it is a different much more niche skillset than general software dev - it requires getting down to such a nitty gritty level of detail that is usually covered by abstractions for software dev

[fringe sphinx]

Yah, thinking about, the ‘older’ gen of security researchers (mudge, for instance) more or less dove head first into hacking and reverse engineering. So, maybe my bias shows

But, the corporate folks I know are primarily CS majors (afaik), so I think I’d still stick with: CS education either way.

[hearty island]

do you guys tailor your resume for every role you apply to?

bc i’m a bit lost on the process ngl

is it essentially taking phrases out of the job description, rewording, and adding it to your resume?

[near ocean]

No, and i wouldnt for every individual app, but if im applying to much different jobs then maybe i'd change what I highlight

[hearty island]

i'm just asking because i'm thinking of trying it for a couple of jp morgan roles

[near ocean]

Are they so different to what youre applying to already?

[hearty island]

sort of, yeah. one is this: https://www.linkedin.com/jobs/view/3665785726

i just want to experiment and see what's going to happen. probably won't see anything for just one role, but there's no harm in trying right?

[slate bone]

What is it?

Corporate likes those kind of names 😄

[hallow jasper]

Hello everyone,

I'm Chinmaya, a Python backend developer with around 2 years of experience. I'm new to this Discord server and joined just five days ago.

I'm eager to enhance my knowledge of Python and would greatly appreciate any recommendations for websites or channels that provide in-depth learning resources for Python.

Thank you for your support and guidance.

[buoyant seal]

start from this book 🙂 greatly expands knowledge in advanced python

[slate bone]

Actually, I believe there are only a few "real" reverse engineers that go though all of the code project has and understand it. Other people in security engineering don't really go into details, even if they call themselves "reverse security engineers" or whatever, they usually just stop at asking a few simple questions like "do you keep password as text" and so on.

In most cases it is just Exel sheet to fill prepared by them 😄 I can't call them "real" deal, because most of this job could be done by junior that learned a bit of theory

[gilded valley]

you do not sound like you understand what reverse engineering is, and are mixing it up with broader infosec jobs - of which there is a huge range

[slate bone]

I understand what it does, I'm saying it that there are people who call themselves "reverse engineers", but they aren't really

[slate bone]

I agree there is huge range of jobs that needs to be done by infosec

It just proves point that they aren't really all "reverse engineering experts" like they claim to be in emails or/and other places where you place your role name or badges 😄

I would be more than happy to talk with people who really understands this field, but it rarely happens and I'm kind of sad about that 😦

[fringe sphinx]

This raises the question of what the OP was really asking about: were they really asking about infosec certs?

[hallow jasper]

Thank you, @buoyant seal , for your valuable suggestion. I'm curious to know if there are any available eBook's/free website for learning Python as well?

[slate bone]

Well, fair point

[fringe sphinx]

I’d also suggest hanging out in #python-discussion and #1035199133436354600 and trying to help. There’s nothing like teaching to learn a subject better.

[digital fjord]

at 2 YOE, I would mainly suggest past pycon (or really any programming-related) talks. And of course writing code, ideally hacking at some existing codebase.

[slate bone]

In my experience people who really understands the code and are doing reverse engineering before pushing to production are DevOps or DevSecOps guys

Infosec does audits and reviews, but as I mentioned they don't really go into details that could be considered reverse engineering

[gilded valley]

I would assume OP is asking about the thing they asked about - no interpretation is necessary

they're asking about a fairly typical thing that is common within the industry

[slate bone]

Another group deeply interested in security are QA and SecQA, they usually work along with DevSecOps. They focus more on behavior than implementation

[true harness]

what is reverse engineering to you?

[fringe sphinx]

The question was “does anyone know what the best certifications for reverse engineers are? im looking to take a few to show my expertise so i dont have to go through the whole 4 year college bs” which I took to mean: ‘reverse engineer’ as a job title, not as a skill

[slate bone]

It is process when you discover details of implementation using limited information you have and from security perspective you also look for weak points to exploit

It's oversimplified definition - I know, I just don't want to spend 5 min writing 😄

[gilded valley]

https://www.linkedin.com/jobs/search/?currentJobId=3662053349&keywords=reverse engineering&originalSubdomain=uk

here is a job ad from google which uses "reverse engineer" as a noun phrase in the exact same way OP did

I think LinkedIn is rubbish and doesn't actually link to the specific job. Here is an extract:

In this role, you will lead one of the largest teams of malware reverse engineers in the world. You will help the team develop new and improve existing tools and technologies, build scalable solutions for automated analysis, and oversee/deliver manual analysis in a timely manner with quality results through leading the malware queues in a leadership role on a rotational basis, as well as assisting in manual analysis of malware artifacts

[fringe sphinx]

The job title is security engineering manager, right?

[slate bone]

Security Engineering Manager role is kind of different than what people bellow this role do

[hearty island]

if i applied for a company on 8/3/23 and got rejected 8/5/23, i pretty much got auto-rejected right?

[gilded valley]

"malware reverse engineers""

[slate bone]

Actually, developing security software is different kind of thing. You need reverse engineering as skill, but you are also developer for this specific software

You can reverse engineer malware for sure, but you can also reverse engineer other software like web apps

[gilded valley]

When someone says reverse engineer, they are typically referring to people who use tools like Ida and Ghidra who are investigating disassembled programs. https://encyclopedia.kaspersky.com/glossary/reverse-engineering/#:~:text=Reverse engineering covers a broad,create tools to neutralize it.

[fringe sphinx]

We’re just debating titles vs functions, I guess.

[slate bone]

Malware Analysis would be better name for this role

[vital wyvern]

SEC522 - GWEB
SEC542 - GWAPT
FOR610 - GREM
FOR710

[crude kelp]

i just learned python can you guys give me some projects to practice?

[slate bone]

it is part of reverse engineering, but it isn't full picture

[vital wyvern]

You also have things like CASST.

[gilded valley]

I don't really know why job titles have entered into the equation.

But this is a tedious conversation which is adding value to no one - I'll just disengage.

My advice to @pearl veldt is that you should do a degree. Failing that, or whilst doing the degree, SANS courses and certiifcations are well respected. https://www.sans.org/cyber-security-courses/reverse-engineering-malware-malware-analysis-tools-techniques/

[slate bone]

code de-obfuscation would be better name for this process

[crude kelp]

?? anyone

[fringe sphinx]

Yah, I think we’re all violently agreeing with each other anyway. 👍🏻

[gilded valley]

more actual good advice which is answering OP's question as asked - and it was asked in a perfectly sensible way - rather than layering on unnecessary interpretation.

[vital wyvern]

I started hunting down links and gave up halfway through Each cert has a course and a link associated. FOR710 doesn't have a certification a la GREM yet but iirc it's coming.

[pearl veldt]

i see. thanks everyone for all your comments on this matter, and mb i caused an argument that went on for hours

[gilded valley]

SANS stuff is respected, because governments (and those who work with them like Crowdstrike) like to have evidence that they're hiring competent people - so this means both governments and orgs like crowdstrike will fund employees to both participate in and deliver these courses

[slate bone]

I mean, if you are for example trying to reverse engineer web app there isn't really that much code to de-obfuscate. Usually JS code contains existing libs and maps that make it take like 1 minute. However, there are still a lot of things to do, you should try breaking API by doing weird request and it's different topic still covered by reverse engineering

[vital wyvern]

That's application security testing.

[slate bone]

Yep 😄 I believe it too

[vital wyvern]

There's a very gray line between cybersecurity subdisciplines, but testing web applications for vulnerabilities would be more under WAPT (Web Application Penetration Testing) than it would be reverse engineering.

[slate bone]

You could do it as application security testing, but if you have to use tools to discover implementation details from "outside" you call it reverse engineering

[vital wyvern]

Realistically, holding a high level reverse engineering certification is perfectly transitive to other subdisciplines as well, and vice versa.

[slate bone]

It depends if you do it from "inside" or "outside"

Scanning code for vulns, like bandit would be "inside" job. Scanning REST API that is exposed publicly by crawlers or any other bots would be consiudered "outside" and thus reverse engineering

You try to find implementation details without any access to server or code

[slate bone]

Yep, it is true

While I believe reverse engineering roles in security teams are mostly just fancy names, but revere engineering as skill is good thing to have for SecQA or DevSecOps roles

[fringe sphinx]

As an interesting aside, TOS anti-reverse engineering clauses have been used (legally) with broader definitions than what we normally think of it as. I’ll find a citation, it’s somewhat interesting (albeit irrelevant to this topic)

[slate bone]

This is what I'm trying to imply - no matter what role you do it's skill nice to have

but it also means it's good to have it togetheter with other skills (like QA or DevOps)

[slate bone]

I consider it still revelant and it would be nice thing to read

Maybe it will make me re-think what I know about it

[fringe sphinx]

Citation; SAS Institute vs WPL https://www.hklaw.com/en/insights/publications/2018/01/reverse-engineering-source-code-of-software-is-not

[slate bone]

TLDR: Good app security testing includes reverse engineering imo

[fringe sphinx]

The salient point here was, in the context of a fairly mundane anti reverse engineering clause in a software license, this interpretation was accepted; “Plaintiff countered with a broader interpretation that “reverse engineering” encompassed Defendant’s attempt to “analyze a product to learn the details of its design, construction, or production in order to produce a copy or improved version.””

[vital wyvern]

def my_function():
  return True
my_function()```
By reading this you have conceeded to my licensing agreement that you will not reverse engineer my application or make any attempts to understand how the functions within work.

(I think this legislation is deplorable. But I think I'm liable to get quite off track from career discussion if I continue, so I'll digress. 😛 )

[astral yew]

True

[hearty island]

omg, a consulting firm that's 4.1 stars on glassdoor? sign me tf up

damn oracle rejected me even with my capm

[dense mesa]

Information and Computer Technology

I haven't heard that term for many years

[unreal turtle]

which is better an internship with longer time duration or shorter? both from the same company and the same role

[buoyant seal]

sounds like than longer then better to me ^_^
people value you job experience mostly by time u spend in them

• amount of acquired skills in that time.

While it is possible to acquire skills of same measure in short time.
it is harder than doing it in smth long term
Plus in long term one u could generally put more effort

[unreal turtle]

which will look better in the eyes of recruiters?

[buoyant seal]

well, it is important for internship to be not disrupting your studies though. so if you think long term intersnhip will hurt your chances to finish university, then choose short one

[buoyant seal]

provide more absolute numbers to what you mean as short and long 🙂

[unreal turtle]

10-12 weeks vs 22-24 weeks

[unreal turtle]

you didnt answer my question

[buoyant seal]

oh. 3 months vs 6 months 🤔
could u specify your current educational level?

[unreal turtle]

bachelors

[buoyant seal]

did u already finish it? are u currently in studies? how long time it is left to finish your studies?
what is your country?

[unreal turtle]

currently, i have one more year left. im from the US (idk how this is relevent to my question, why do you need this much information?)

you didnt really help with my question as well

[buoyant seal]

shrugs. i am trying better to assess your situation, then other people here will be able to give you advice based on having experience being in same shoes as you
being in same country as you, having same kind of situation as you
i am uncertain to give advice here yet, so trying to dig for more info 🤷‍♂️

[unreal turtle]

okay i gave it to you, just answer my question, i never asked for your advice

[unreal turtle]

?

[buoyant seal]

i actually did u give u answer. i think likely longer internship will benefit more than short one.
but to know that for sure it would be nice to know if u know any additional details regarding their difference
like... if they are from same company, may be they have different circulum provided?

[true harness]

all else being equal, i would guess the longer one since more experience is better. but rarely would all else be equal, though

[unreal turtle]

its literally the same position just different seasons, one is just longer than the other one

[buoyant seal]

yeah, i am inclined too, that longer one will benefit more. u will have more chances to shine in it then

• tend to think it will look better in your resume as well

[true harness]

the length is doubled, so surely there are other differences

[unreal turtle]

no there isnt

both have same processes, both have same type of interviews. its just different seasons, but if you dont wanna believe me thats on you

[buoyant seal]

how they are no different despite having different time length?
are they having same amount of work hours spreaded across different time frame lengths?

[fringe sphinx]

The problem I have with your question is; ‘better than what?’ A 6 month internship vs a 3 surely has other tradeoffs. By itself, all we can say is: it’s certainly longer.

[buoyant seal]

also, once again, it is important to answer question, do you have studies going on at the moment or not.
Will you have studies during first or second choice or not
there is a huge difference student can make in terms of his work energy if he is busy with studies or not

[unreal turtle]

they have the same description on the job site, its just the length duration

[fringe sphinx]

Is a big gulp of Coke better than a can of coke?

[unreal turtle]

yes, cause its more

[true harness]

depends on how you measure "better". it's heavier, probably costs more

[unreal turtle]

yeah i just double checked everything is the same just different seasons, and the time duration is doubled

[gritty rivet]

So longer is obviously better... Unless you think you can land a better internship elsewhere or otherwise make better use of the second half doing something else

[fringe sphinx]

For what it’s worth: when reviewing resumes, I don’t weight a 6 month internship as 2x the value of a 3 month. First, I rarely see it. Second, I just want to see that there was an internship… I don’t pay too much attention to the details

[unreal turtle]

i see

[harsh river]

not at 7-11

[smoky quest]

it's not about the duration, it's about what you do with it.
A 3 month internship is more likely to be focused on a single project. And that project can be hit or miss. A longer internship can give more opportunities to go deeper or get more experiences.

typically longer internships are done at the end of the studies

[unreal turtle]

youre correct

[nocturne coral]

What is the difference between software developer and front end developer and back end developer

[fringe sphinx]

Are you asking generically, or are you looking at specific job postings/descriptions?

[harsh river]

generically

[fringe sphinx]

Hey, don’t hate my autocorrect

[nocturne coral]

Generically

And also job postings / descriptions both

[fringe sphinx]

They’re both software engineers. Front end refers to the user interface, often websites. Backend is a catchall for everything else.

[pine sleet]

These are all very vague titles
"frontend" and "backend" encase 2/3 of all software development
There is typically 3 broad domains:
frontend - what runs on the user's computer that they see
backend - what doesn't run on the user's computer (instead, runs on your servers)
embedded - stuff that runs on things you wouldn't even consider a computer (e.g a TV remote software)
"software development" pretty much refers to all 3 of these

[fringe sphinx]

And don’t rely on job descriptions or titles to mean much. You’ll see all sorts of terms in them, used inconsistently across companies.

[nocturne coral]

👍

[hearty island]

ooh HSBC

[nocturne coral]

I just want a job that makes me write code and debug it and fix code

[smoky quest]

what are the things you don't want to do?

[nocturne coral]

Those are the things to do as a software developer ? Right

[smoky quest]

it's a subset of the things a software developer would do

[nocturne coral]

What do they do ?

[smoky quest]

they solve problems.

Solving problems will involve understanding the problem, studying potential solutions, establishing a recommended solution, getting buy in from stake holders, writing the code, working on the code with others, delegating some tasks to more junior engineers, writing tests, writing documentation, fixing bugs, investigating bugs and outages, etc.

[nocturne coral]

👍

[nocturne coral]

Software developer do all that then that's what I want

But which software developer front or back ?

[harsh river]

that's up to you.

[smoky quest]

whichever you enjoy the most

[nocturne coral]

I want to do that and write code and fix bugges and de bug code which one ?

[smoky quest]

they all do that

[nocturne coral]

Front or back which one

[timber sun]

Do you enjoy making things look good and function well for an end user, or do you like making the underlying systems to suit that

[harsh river]

they both do, which problems they solve is the difference

[nocturne coral]

Write code both

[timber sun]

They both write code but they make different kinds of things

[nocturne coral]

Which ever makes the application itself

[timber sun]

They both do, it's a team effort

[harsh river]

they both write applications

[nocturne coral]

And what happens when we click on the button

[pine sleet]

it uses the button designed and coded by the frontend team and backend API routes designed by the backend team
or it could all be done by the same person

[timber sun]

It depends on what kind of projects you enjoy!

[nocturne coral]

So it doesn't matter which one in the end front end and back end write code solve problems and de bug code ?

[timber sun]

Yes, you'll get to write and debug code with both frontend and backend dev positions

[pine sleet]

yes

though for what it's worth I think the average salary for frontend developers is lower

[harsh river]

however it might be important to choose between front and backend because you might hate one but love the other

[timber sun]

I personally hate doing frontend stuff...

[smoky quest]

whichever you prefer

[smoky quest]

It's like driving a car. Driving toyota or a ford are both cars and you would be driving a car in both cases

[harsh river]

do you wanna build the cars or do you wanna design them?

[smoky quest]

I was going for a different analogy though

[nocturne coral]

Build

I am not an artistic person

[harsh river]

then you're probably not going to enjoy frontend

[nocturne coral]

So back wnd

End ok thanks👍

[hearty island]

what's deloitte's deal

nvm it wasn't letting me put in my resume

[smoky quest]

there are a lot more areas to software than just frontend and backend. You may want to explore the field to see what you like or dislike

[timber sun]

+1 from me for security engineering 😳

[hearty island]

probably going to wake up to like all rejection emails the next two weeks but whatever

[timber sun]

Yeah the state of applying to jobs now is quite frustrating, especially via workday

[zenith geyser]

does scrum/agile methodology really matter in job applications?

[smoky quest]

it depends

[zenith geyser]

not for senior roles

i assume not knowing scrume/agile is not a dealbreaker if the skills/projects are good right?

[balmy spade]

If you're applying for product owner/management then sure, knowing scrum/agile will weigh more. If the company follows agile.

[smoky quest]

not a deal breacker, but as everything, it sends different signals

[slender tiger]

Anyone ever take the JP Morgan Chase SEP (software internship program) program?

[vapid jay]

@floral cove as powerful

as a planetary bird

[raven kraken]

Can someone help me or guide me on how can i find the remote internship in python? I graduated recently and I am having a really hard time finding decent internship which will help me get start with python. I do have good knowledge of python in Flask, Web Scrapping, Django

[smoky quest]

if you graduated, you should look for a job, not an internship

[raven kraken]

but I do not have any experience how would I find a job without any experience ?

[smoky quest]

you look for entry level jobs

[raven kraken]

Where I live there aren't much software houses around me I have to leave my city to find my job and I kinda do not want that at the moment because living in another city would be really expensive, which sites should I look into to find a good decent entry level jobs that will help me gain more experience and develop my skills?

[smoky quest]

entry level jobs are jobs for junior people who don't have experience
same way senior level jobs are for people with a lot of experience

that said, remote jobs for junior engineers are more rare as they need more hand holding

[polar token]

Hey I'm a college student, have been coding in python for a few years now. I've been mostly interested in AI and ML field, making some relatively simple projects with Tensorflow etc. I was wondering if anyone could help me figure out how do I get from here to getting a decent entry level job as a developer?

[slender tiger]

Best way is to show case your work/portfolio. For majority of entry level jobs don’t seek for people with real world experience (although it’s a plus) but rather what you can bring to the table. So if you’re interested in AI/ML, then do some projects and showcase it in your own liking

[polar token]

@slender tiger Do the projects have to be like original ideas or can i try to recreate existing things from scratch as well?

[full siren]

We are on the same path, man

[nocturne coral]

Like what

[fringe sphinx]

What I look for in a resume is: demonstrated skills - it’s easy to graduate with very little depth. Relevant projects. I’m in DE, so I look for stuff like Pandas, SQL, data analysis projects, etc. Very few candidates have real depth here: usually it’s just familiarity and no expertise. Work experience: I don’t like hiring candidates who’ve never had a job (any job). Internship experience is a bonus. Standout candidates would have, perhaps, some open source contributions to a larger project (rare but it demonstrates broader skills, like collaboration, git and issue trackingzc etc).

[vapid jay]

من کص میخوام

[gilded valley]

have you done any internships? if not, why not?

[weary crag]

Do you usually look at peoples GitHubs to see how much depth a project has or do you judge that from what they’ve put on their resume?

[polar token]

@gilded valley I have done one internship this summer, it was about a 2 month work at an organisation where I had to develop a help chatbot for their website using machine learning. In terms of project well I added a slightly modified version of a chatbot where i used semantic search and some other simple CNN models, I'm not really that sure as to how to proceed from here

[fringe sphinx]

For screening, I’ll just judge off the resume itself. But at interview, I’ll sometimes ask to walk me through the GitHub… usually for a more substantial or interesting project.

[weary crag]

Ah okay, makes sense

[wanton birch]

I have a question for both amateurs and experienced people on here. Reasonably speaking, at what point should one give up looking for a job?

I am not asking for looking for something to survive on. I’m talking about having a career as a developer or engineer. How many years, how many applications?

I find myself to be very stubborn about these things so despite over a year and several hundreds of applications yielding no more than a few screening phone calls, I find myself still repeatedly going after it.

I’ve won many battles in the past by accepting a time penalty and just keeping on trying. So there is that hope that I might get success soon. But simultaneously, I wonder from time to time if the time and effort spent doing this keeps me from progressing in other directions.

[fringe sphinx]

You’re in a terrible job market for entry level, one of the worst in a long time. Two years ago, you’d likely have had no problem. A year from now, I don’t know, but I’d expect things will get much better.

Second; I only got one job from a recruiter/cold resume. Every other job I’ve had is from networking and relationships,

[celest kite]

I guess you gotta figure out why you're not passing the screening calls. Also, there's a saying about doing the same thing and expecting a different result (something something the definition of insanity)

[wanton birch]

Maybe the market is partly to blame. But others still get interviews and jobs so it makes me also consider that there’s other factors specific to me that results in a complete lack of interest in most cases.

[wanton birch]

All the screeners praised me a lot and said they are definitely going to recommend me. All that without me asking them that. So I am not sure why. It’s not up to the recruiters. They forward it to hiring managers and all.

[gilded valley]

you're probably doing something wrong. it's pointless sending out a bad cv 500 times. it's pointless doing interviews if you always come across terribly.

you don't give any context in this message to help others examine what

if your view is "I'm great but the world hates me" you're never going to get anywhere

[celest kite]

Well the cv seems ok. It sounds like it's more of an interview skill thing

[gilded valley]

I just searched for the last image he posted. there is plenty to criticise about it.

he gives as much space to Ms office as to tech skills

[wanton birch]

If that was my view, the I would not have said this:

[wanton birch]

This ^

[wanton birch]

The reason I kept it there is because I see a lot of jobs specifically listing them. I fear that software filters that look for keywords may not return as high a match factor if I exclude them.

Having said that, are you positing that the reason I don’t hear back is specifically because of that basic office tools bulletpoint?

[dense mesa]

@wanton birch your CV needs a complete rework imo, and you should be looking at networking events and opportunities

[fringe sphinx]

I also wonder if part of your challenge is looking for DS roles which have lots of interest/applicants but much fewer positions than, say, DE or general SWE. Everybody seems to want to be a DS.

[gilded valley]

not necessarily. And the two paragraphs of "woe is me" non-content would imply otherwise

[wanton birch]

What woe is me stuff? I don’t know why you are being so hostile for no reason. I get help from folks here regularly. I’ve changed my stuff many times based on these inputs and I keep trying.

[fringe sphinx]

One of my customers recently posted a DS position, and they had every type of applicant you could imagine: everyone from financial traders to backend developers applied to it.

[gilded valley]

I find myself to be very stubborn about these things so despite over a year and several hundreds of applications yielding no more than a few screening phone calls, I find myself still repeatedly going after it.

I’ve won many battles in the past by accepting a time penalty and just keeping on trying. So there is that hope that I might get success soon. But simultaneously, I wonder from time to time **if the time and effort spent doing this keeps me from progressing in other **directions.
@errant zodiac

[fringe sphinx]

Fwiw, it did come across a bit ‘woe is me’, but I read it as frustration… I get it.

[wanton birch]

What is wrong with that? That’s all factual. What about me sharing that info rubs you the wrong way?

I’ll admit, I do feel terrible and I am very much frustrated. So that definitely coloured how I wrote things. But I fail to see what specifically I’ve done so terrible that I failed this bad (my resume).

[fringe sphinx]

Broadly, and summarizing the points of view: it’s likely a combination of: the macro situation (job market is terrible), you’re applying to high interest DS positions (lots of competition), your resume not standing out among your competition, and -perhaps- interview skills, and of course, do more networking.

[wanton birch]

Yeah. I actually apply to a lot more modelling and simulation jobs these days compared to DS.

[gilded valley]

it rubs me the wrong way because it reeks of self pity.

"I've won many battles in the past" sounds like a motivational tiktok video. "several hundred applications yielding no more than a few screening calls" carries with it the implication that you are somehow uniquely unlucky, or that the market is extremely terrible - the fact is that your applications were probably of a sub-par standard.

You talk a lot in this channel, but it's mostly just job ads and nothing-burger questions like "I got an automated email, what does that mean?". I've never seen you seek macro advice. Looking at the last CV you posted, it doesn't follow much of the common advice that you can find on google.

You seem to be throwing out mediocre or bad applications, then whingeing about it

I disagree with Billy Bobby, the job market for CS/Data is less good than it was a few years ago - but it is still better than for many degrees - I think it is you doing something wrong and failing to make sufficiently radical changes to your approach.

[wanton birch]

The only place where we are in agreement is that I am doing something wrong. I don’t agree with the idea that I am just randomly sending out bad applications. That’s a made up thing that probably helps you shrug it off and not have to figure out what the root cause is.

Even if I got a job out of some application, that doesn’t prove that I couldn’t have improved my application. In the same essence, no matter what I send in, one could always poke holes and use that as their magic explanation for why it all went wrong. “You used more bullet points that usual so you don’t deserve a job”.

[fringe sphinx]

I’m going to disengage, but less good is hardly what I’m seeing: I get hundreds of applicants vs maybe a dozen a few years back. Anecdotally, CS majors are struggling to land their first position. And, we’re not talking about CS vs other degrees; we’re talking about CS vs CS a few years ago.

[wanton birch]

I’ll disengage as well.

I apologise for turning this thread negative and sorry for my contribution to that. Others should still get to keep benefiting from positive inputs from the folks on here.

[peak halo]

I'm not caught up on the context, but I appreciate everyone's willingness to disengage when things start heating up 👍

[true harness]

but also, you can just ask for more feedback on your resume for things you've changed

[gilded valley]

my thesis is: you are not seeking to sufficiently iterate on the quality of your applications
my evidence: you have not asked for CV advice - the key part of most applications - for ~1.5 months, and you didn't ask for feedback after the last set of changes you made.

Maybe you're looking for advice elsewhere and you are iterating, but nothing you've said in this channel would lead me to believe that

[gilded valley]

between when you first posted your CV on 06/06 and the most recent time on 19/06, you made only small tweaks (one bullet)

[hearty island]

should i be applying for roles now if i graduate in may?

i mean my internship ends this week

[valid pawn]

so im starting a
ICT specialist school what should i do to prepare perfectly im 15 years old

[hearty island]

it's still 8 months till i graduate

[river scroll]

is that possible to get freelance works on django

[celest kite]

Freelance work on Django will start at USD $5/h

[river scroll]

where i can find clients

[celest kite]

Upwork and Fivver and such...

[river scroll]

bruh.for a beginner that platforms are so difficult

[true harness]

doesn't it make sense? if i want a website i don't want it done by a beginner

[river scroll]

yeah.so what sould beginners do?

*should

[true harness]

try to improve their skills

[celest kite]

Step 1: obtain skill

[hearty island]

goddamnit, why can't every company just use oracle's application system or workday (i'm looking at you SMBC)

[hearty island]

generally speaking, at a career fair 30 resumes ought to be enough right? or should they just be digital copies?

[celest kite]

Digital copies stored on the USB drive builtin to your business card

[hearty island]

https://tenor.com/view/wtf-confused-look-gif-24835232

that's a joke right? so paper copies are fine?

[celest kite]

"it depends"

[hearty island]

sigh

[fast cradle]

Guys I am a fresh grad with a bsc in computer science, I was looking to gain experience to get a software developer role. I am based in the uk. Any suggestions on what I should do? I was thinking volunteer software developer, but I haven't found any yet.

[hearty island]

i'm just going to use paper copies

[gilded valley]

did you do any internships or a placement year? Or even just participate in any societies etc?

best bet is probably just to apply to grad schemes. Make sure your CV is as good as you can get it, then start throwing out applications ASAP

[gilded valley]

your university careers centre probably isn't worthless, worth talking to them

you can also apply for internships as a hook into a full time role

[fast cradle]

I have one 3 month internship, that's really about it. I am working on personal projects atm.

[fast cradle]

I tried alot, but no luck. I did almost get one, but it was government funded, so they couldn't take me in.

[gilded valley]

that 3mo internship puts you easily ahead of the crowd. You should very probably be applying to jobs, not putting barriers in front of yourself.

if you're not getting anywhere, look for feedback on your cv

[fast cradle]

I am currently still applying for jobs but wanted to work on my experience as well in the mean time.

[gilded valley]

fair enough. There are sites out there the list volunteer opportunities, I can't remember the name of it but there's at least one good one.

working on projects with job relevant technology - fastapi, react, pandas/numpy, whatever - is another useful way you can spend your time

but getting the basics of a good cv and interview techniques are way more important than that

[fast cradle]

Is it fine by you if I send my cv to you to have a quick look in your dm?

[gilded valley]

you're better off anonymising it and posting it here as an image. more people who can give feedback

(can't post PDFs/docxs - need to just take a screenshot)

[fast cradle]

my bad

[spiral latch]

I like python

[hearty island]

censor all personoal info

[gilded valley]

the personal info was his name and university - you can already get 1/2 from his Discord profile

[fast cradle]

I'll put it back here again. I removed my email

[hearty island]

ah true, was just being careful

[gilded valley]

• Cut it down to a single page, not even close to enough content to warrant 2 pages
  • Lots of places where you can remove space (e.g drop the degree classification bullet point and put it in the header)
• Professional summary is either unnecessary or too long. It's also generic, you should try and tailor it to yourself specifically if you include it
• The order is kinda weird. Education->skills->experience->projects doesn't make sense. A skills focused CV is usually the easiest path: skills -> experience/education -> education/experience -> projects
• Say what technologies you used in your experience
• Skills section currently looks ugly and hard to parse
• Skills section can probably be made more specific. You did an AI degree, you must have used things like Pandas
• The order of your projects section doesn't make any sense
• You don't want to list every random piece of coursework

[fast cradle]

My unviersity told me that I should aim for 2 pages and have a professional summary. This is my master cv with all my projects atm, I cut the irrelevant projects out. Do you think I can go for a simple desing as well?

[gilded valley]

If you're applying for industry jobs, then I'm amazed that your career centre told you to aim for 2 pages, it runs against all other advice I've ever heard.

Having a master version that you cut down is fine, but at the moment there is still plenty of fluff that could just be cut completely

[fast cradle]

This is me applying for an IT role. Which design is better?

[gilded valley]

that one looks prettier, might be struggle to get through ATS filters, still has most of the issues with the previous one.

The Jake Resume is the typical one that gets reccomended in this channel. https://www.overleaf.com/latex/templates/jakes-resume/syzfjbzwjncs

(you don't have to make it in Latex, you can reproduce that in MS word with some fiddling. The dense, single column format that makes judicious use of whitespace is what you're aiming for)

[slate bone]

I agree, taking so much space to write about "curseworks" may be insulting to whoever will read this. It his fine to mention them in shorter form tho

[hearty island]

this is the resume format i use lol

[gritty rivet]

I get the sense this varies by country. In the US I agree one page is a good target for juniors

[gilded valley]

the UK follows US trends when it comes to this sort of thing.

my own career centre was very clear about 1 page being expected

[fringe sphinx]

Nearly everything I receive is single column, single page. I’m really not spending more than a minute when screening, certainly not to read multiple bullets for a single job or project.

[gilded valley]

different places in Europe diverge much more though. I think in Switzerland the norm is to include a photo

[fringe sphinx]

Even for mid levels, although they’ll occasionally list extra work experience in page 2, but that’s more filler (to show that they have been working for years)

Funny enough, seniors often collapse back to a single page, and summarize older positions with a job title and dates, and little else.

[fringe sphinx]

This template is better. You have paragraphs vs bullets. The bullets don’t make it clear what you actually did: did you write Python code? I care what skills you used more than I care about the business purpose of what you did (esp for juniors/entry). Most of those projects could be one bullet. Skills could just be collapsed into a technical skills and programming languages bullets, or something similar.

And professional summary could be one sentence, the puffery isn’t very helpful (dedicated, solution oriented, etc). Something like: College graduate looking for a entry level software engineering position in xyz industry.

[vapid jay]

What are the kinds of exams one could give in order to gain a certification in the field of data science? For ex: Microsoft azure exams, CAP, etc..does anyone knows other exams which are highly recognized and prestigious?

[dire herald]

Guys, I need your opinions. If you were in my shoes, would you choose studying smart information and communication technology that has more free time ( more self-study time) and where there is a canteen ( so you won't have to waste time cooking) or you going to choose some other disciplines like data science, cyber security... Even tho you going to have to attend 8 hours of classes ( that end around 6 pm ) and also take care of your food..

[peak halo]

What are "your shoes"? We don't know anything about you except that you're a member of this server.

[dire herald]

I mean it's pretty clear what asked. I know I will have to make the decision based on my circumstances but I want to know what would someone who is more knowledgeable and have experience would choose and what are the reasons

[peak halo]

Yes, based on your circumstances. Please say what they are.

[fringe sphinx]

Also, I think ICT is an Indian term for a particular degree, which many of us are probably not familiar with (I certainly am not)

[dire herald]

I'm not from India and based on what I read on this degree, it is a mix of different courses on software engineering, cloud computing, data science + network. When I asked graduates that did this degree they said that basically they can work in whatever career they want like DevOps, cloud, software and even AI, it said it all depends on your self-study

[dire herald]

I don't actually understand your question

[sleek egret]

lol

[peak halo]

This is the first message of yours I have any recollection of having read, so if there's additional context, I don't know it. But I'm basically asking if you're a student, or a working professional, or something else. It sounds like you might be a student who's interested in taking additional courses at the cost of any free time.

And if you're only a student, that's different from being a student who also works in industry, for the purposes of giving you advice.

[dire herald]

Yes I'm a student, the educational system here is prolly different than yours so i will explain.
After high school, I studied 2 years ( maths,physics, chemistry, engineering, + languages) so after these 2 years we had a national exam. And based on our rank ( and available places) we can access colleges that we want . These whole 2 years was actually really exhausting mentally and physically.

I heard that smart ict have some free time so I want to use that to rest and also to study alone, but I'm afraid it might not be a high demand career.

[dark arrow]

i don't really hear that term a lot, CSE and IT are the common degrees

(in india)

[sleek egret]

yar

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Looking for an equity stake partner with experience in python and flask libraries to get this Ai Powered lead generation tool completed and live. The equity stake is 10-15%. Offer not exclusive to any channel!

[near ocean]

!rule 6 9

[inner wren]

Rules

6. Do not post unapproved advertising.

9. Do not offer or ask for paid work of any kind.

[sleek egret]

this channel is about careers not about seeking business partners

[late tulip]

No stress, will move on then since clearly it isn't a job that someone could make into a career 🙄

[near ocean]

no need to be so salty about it, why would anyone make a career out of responding to dodgy discord job ads

[late tulip]

I guess that's valid. To be completely honest, I have no other avenue of attaining what I'm looking for. I live in a rural town of 548 people where I'm the only technologically advanced person capable of even programming or let alone even setting up a generic home network. I figuerd my outreach would be better here where people come to talk specifically about this industry.

[hearty island]

anyone know what the “Principal” position is at Blackstone? because i’m connected to a guy on LinkedIn that has that position. i’m guessing it’s like senior exec or something

oh it’s right before managing director, shit

maybe i should try to network??

but how do i even talk to him 😭

[late tulip]

Most likely that is a form of an executive position, not commonly used however.

[unreal turtle]

Do LinkedIn recommendation matters?

[late tulip]

Sometimes businesses will use that to override the terminology of supervisor to make the role more distinct.

[late tulip]

Not really, never in 7 years has it impacted my ability to get a job

[true harness]

the lead recruiter at my company recommended them, so they are probably not worthless

[unreal turtle]

@fringe sphinx you look at that when you’re considering an applicant?

[hearty island]

but what if i network with him and then it works out for me

[unreal turtle]

It’s just for decoration?

[hearty island]

there’s no harm in trying, right?

[late tulip]

Do it, always network even if you think it may not benefit you. You may be helping someone else.

[unreal turtle]

Which industry are you in?

[fringe sphinx]

LinkedIn? Rarely, except out of curiosity. I do google social media accounts though

Def don’t care about LinkedIn recommendations

[unreal turtle]

As part of consideration for someone’s job application?

[late tulip]

Personally I think so. I don't even bother with linkedin profiles in hiring since it's all just a bunch of guys stroking themselves off through social media. It rarely reflects an actualy employee or their abilities. On top of that, anyone can go and slap the reccomendations on there without even knowing you. It's happened to me.

[fringe sphinx]

Not at all, after the screen, I really care more about what you say than anything else.

[unreal turtle]

True

[unreal turtle]

Interesting, if I don’t have social media besides LinkedIn would that affect me?

[late tulip]

No, I'd say that makes you a better candidate since we know you won't spend all your time on the clock surfing social media 🙂 haha

[fringe sphinx]

I just look for toxic stuff, personally

[hollow crystal]

hi

I am a 2nd year undergrad
Wanna learn Data Science and Machine Learning .

Shall I directly jump to the course on ML by Andrew NG?

I know basic python(incl OOPS) knowledge

[shut locust]

@late tulip if you are looking for a good channel to communicate about finding business partners, and you are really willing to take things seriously and have good credibility, you could consider getting into a Founder-matching platform. The most well-known and succesful one is obviously the YCombinator one, but thats hard to get into. Good luck with your venture

[shut locust]

Are you an undergrad in university or college? I can tell you from experience that a good way of kick-starting a career in machine learning (but I think any STEM topic, tbh) is to scout out your thesis project really early: start reading literature in the area, find problems and knowledge gaps in the literature/market, and find a supervisor. Next to this, make sure you become really proficient with at least one data library and one ML library (I would suggest Pandas and PyTorch to start). This is where you could consider doing a course, but I would recommend only learning what you have to for now. If all goes well, you should be able to do your thesis in a year in an ML topic your familiar with, and you'll be able to use the basic ML tools in Python.

In my experience, doing specific ML courses (even doing an entire double masters in ML...) doesn't give you much, other than some working experience. If you are able to learn fast, and you have a good understanding of different programming paradigms you should be able to finish a bachelor ML thesis without having to do an entire ML course for it. Obviously, this advice is built upon my personal experience, and not any kind of data so take it with a few grains of salt 😉

[hollow crystal]

i am a student from bits pilani msc mathematics

we don't have any thesis etc.

i have knowledge of python and linear algebra and prob/stats also

[shut locust]

You should consider what you want to do with machine learning. If you want to be a researcher and/or develop novel models, you should have a really (reeeaally) good understanding of statistics and calculus (not 100% necesary, but it will save you so much time that its basically required). Looks like you have that.

If you just want to learn ML and/or Data Science for the sake of it: just learn PyTorch and Pandas, and do some introductory Kaggle challenges.

If you want to start a career in ML: Learn Pandas and PyTorch, learn about different forms of machine learning and choose a space you want to focus on. You will want to specialize in a certain kind of model or data type.

If you want to start a career in Data Science: looks like you will have the right mathematical backgrounds, but make sure you get proficient with Python, and learn Pandas, PyTorch, Matplotlib (those are your basics). After that, learn a big-data library like PySpark or even an AWS service of your choosing.

I do want to point out: Data Science and Machine Learning are huuuuuge fields. In any sizable company, nobody (even the ones that like to call themselves 'Data Scientists') usually don't do all of data science or all of machine learning, they just do a very specific thing within the paradigms. If you want to learn the entire paradigm suface-level, then do some ML challenges like Kaggle, otherwise: specialize!

[hollow crystal]

all right!
thanks:)

[fast cradle]

I updated my cv and now it's one page, any changes that I should do? I've removed redundant information

[hearty island]

you spelled fresh up top wrong (small thing, but first thing i noticed)

[fast cradle]

yeah I saw that 🤣 fixing it rn, anything else?

[fringe sphinx]

I’ll review more closely later, but this looks great. Big improvement

[smoky quest]

Looks nice but the main feedback I have is that all your description feel a bit too much keyword driven. Example:

• The purpose of that app is easy to miss for people scanning the resume. Adding logos to images also doesn't feel complicated
• Your game said it uses a bunch of keyword. But for instance me telling you I use python doesn't tell you if I am on the first chapter of a book or if I was a core contributor to python

Aside form that, your goldfolio project could benefit from an app server between the app and the db. It would also demonstrate server skills

[fringe sphinx]

I dunno, for a 3 month internship? An app to add logo’s seems pretty reasonable. I happened to like that bullet, fwiw

[rustic bough]

hello i have a question in pycharm who can help me

[hearty island]

this is for careers

why do quant hedge funds never post jobs jesus christ

[fast cradle]

I did forget to mention that my application can take a folder of images and add logo to all of them. The purpose was that the client had several pictures of same resolution, so it was possible.

[smoky quest]

that's below average in my books.
A Qt app that merges two images takes a matter of days

[gilded valley]

Skills section is the main bit that could still be improved on.

Include skills that are more relevant to the jobs you're applying for: if enterprisey dev roles, include Java unit testing. If python dev roles, include numpy/pandas etc

also the professional summary at the top is kind of pointless now

the fact all of your stuff is in QT or JavaFX isn't great - neither is a particularly marketable technology to have experience with. Nothing you can do about it now, other than maybe try to pick up some flask/fastapi

[hearty island]

ooh lazard is hiring, maybe i'll look into it

[fast cradle]

I've learnt and applied flask api to my project that I am currently working which I have uploaded on gcloud. It will still take a month or two for that project to be complete. I am using the .net framework with cloud database for that project. I will try to build a website for the application in react so that it runs like discord which runs a desktop and web version at the same time.

[gilded valley]

The project doesn't need to be complete - Flask is relevant to 100x more jobs than PyQT - I'd definitely include it, and also probably ditch one of the QT projects and include the flask project w/o a github link

same goes for gcp

oh - I'm blind - I just missed that flask is already listed

[dense mesa]

Where are you looking?

[hearty island]

LinkedIn, twosigma had a couple. so did deshaw.

[gilded valley]

I would suggest renaming "Developer Tools" to something like "Cloud and Developer Tooling", then removing the IDEs

[hearty island]

twosigma makes me list my school as "other" 😭

[dense mesa]

You'll probably want to look at their websites directly. It's a pretty closed off and small industry, a lot of hiring is done through specialist search firms

[hearty island]

thanks anz 🙂

what's the difference between application under review and under consideration 🤔

[gilded valley]

no-sql also isn't a language. It could mean SPARQL, it could mean mongo db, Redis - all are worlds apart

[hearty island]

i'm just asking because i'm looking at my goldman sachs apps page and it says "app under review" on one and "under consideration" on another

eh, it probably means jackshit

i'm googling and under consideration means you're apparently on the short list, so 💀

nah i'm probably hyping myself up for nothing

[fast cradle]

Thanks for your advice on my cv guys, I'll make changes on my cv 😄

[delicate bane]

oh no not SPARQL. one of the huge projects at work that multiple contractors wrote was deprecated bc too many of the devs were like what is this SPARQL and graph db for?

[gilded valley]

I used SPARQL a ton at my last job. it's really fun, but also just not actually a particularly useful language

[delicate bane]

we rewrote much of the usable parts into an triplet data structure (RDF) and threw it onto aws dynamodb instead. the other devs def were much more comfortable with calling APIs based on that even if more APIs were necessary to get to various parts of the graph structure

[peak halo]

@delicate bane @gilded valley I use neo4j a lot at work, and the graph query language for that is very nice

[gilded valley]

SPARQL suffers from the same problem as SQL - rubbish composability - as well as just being new a be therefore intimidating to potential users.

I haven't used gremlin or other graph query languages, but they seemed like they did a much better job of composability

[hazy cipher]

good day , everyone. Im looking for a job in backend at the moment. So Im making some sites. Is it a good idea to put the links to the sites in the resume? I supose its better then put only in my github. Thanks!

[smoky quest]

Put yourself in the shoes of the person looking at your resume: let's say they click on the link, then what should they see and learn from it?

[fringe sphinx]

As far as SQL composability, dbt really helps.

[prime nymph]

I am writing a CV. I want someone with work experience to review it and tell me what to edit. DM me ASAP.

[smoky quest]

just post it here

That's way too much involvement for people to do it for free.
You would be better served by asking questions

!rule 9

[inner wren]

Rules

9. Do not offer or ask for paid work of any kind.

[smoky quest]

We don't do paid jobs.
You may want to remove your messages

[narrow trout]

apologies

[true harness]

just sent it here. more people will see it

[prime nymph]

I can't send pdf

[prime nymph]

This channel doesn't allow pdf files

[true harness]

screenshot

[fringe sphinx]

You should probably start from a resume template, seems like you probably made this one yourself? See #career-advice message for a more conventional example

[lapis oyster]

Does anyone use plotly dash?

Im curious what a dev charges for dash apps

[hearty island]

ok now this is funny

i applied for a role at BNY mellon on 7/26 and it also shows “under consideration”

does this mean that both investment banks are looking into me? 👀

[true harness]

i've got "under consideration" for apps i sent a year ago. i wouldn't put too much stock into it..

[hearty island]

true

this was before i started extensively tailoring my resume too so, maybe it means nothing

beats being rejected two days later

[smoky quest]

Hi we don't do hiring ads

[vapid jay]

alright

[vapid jay]

where should i post it ?

[proven crest]

<@&831776746206265384>

[proven crest]

There isn't a place to post it on this discord, if you're looking for freelance work you could try places like Fiver and UpWork

[wanton birch]

I need some help with understanding what is reasonable to assume as implied in a resume. For example, I left out listing topics like Linear Algebra, Numerical Methods, etc and only listed the software tools instead. I use my education, experience and projects sections to hopefully imply that I know those topics well. But is that a bad idea?

[proven crest]

Is that a two page resume? It should certainly be one page. Especially since you have no career experience. @fringe sphinx is right, you should look at some templates.
https://hwpi.harvard.edu/files/ocs/files/hes-resume-cover-letter-guide.pdf
Has some good advise on templates and writing a resume in general.

Some more detailed feedback:

Your Career Objectives section is very long and doesn't tell us much. You're basically saying you want a job because you studied for it. Try to keep it to a paragraph that covers what type of job are you looking for, what kind of environment and what skills can you offer.

Education section looks fine if used with another template as discussed, here it takes up far too much of the page.

Skills section is also far too big. For Arabic change (mother tongue) to (native).
Some of the skills you've added don't really need to be there.

using search engine, using software, learning new things, IDE's
etc. Think about the skills and if they really should be there. Again, I think once you use a template you'll be limited by space when trying to fit on one page and automatically solve this through selection of the most important.

[proven crest]

If a job specifically asks for those skills, add them in. Otherwise that would be fine.
Remember your resume should still just be almost a template (bit of an exaggeration, but you get what i mean). It should be changed on a per application basis to better fit what they are asking for.

For example you wouldn't use the same resume for a Python role based on Django as you would for one based more on data. Regardless of if you have both skills. By using the same one without a clear focus either way you're underplaying your skills and could be overshadowed by someone with a more focused resume.

[wanton birch]

Yeah. I try to use the bulletpoints under the software section to highlight the relevant ones. The bit where I wasn't so sure was about listing topics I studied and/or are familiar with.

Also, is it okay to hyperlink things in the resume? For example, making sure clicking the name of my project in the resume will take the person to the github repo for it?

[proven crest]

I see it done quite a lot. I think that’s fine as long as you have an unlinked URL to your GitHub in your header in case some software removes links when uploading.

[wanton birch]

Thanks

[proven crest]

Np 🙂

[gilded valley]

again, you're asking about tiny details without actually getting broader feedback on your resume

[wanton birch]

I included the github link right at the top beside the linkedin link. The reason I wasn't sure if I should hyperlink the projects is because some of them are not linkable. So I was worried if it might make it look weird.

[wanton birch]

That was already done here. Or do you want me to speak to every individual and make one resume that pleases every individual?

If I post a draft on here, will you be able to point out the wrong parts and recommend appropriate fixes? @gilded valley

[gilded valley]

2 months ago. And the most recent version had no changes vs the earlier version.

but this is a point where there isn't really any potential for fruitful interaction between us, so I'll just stop with the attempts

[wanton birch]

The most recent version has minor changes incorporated based on feedback from people from here and elsewhere. Not to mention that I don't understand how something gets invalidated because it is from a month or two ago unless one is expected to completely change their resume regularly.

In any case, yeah. I do not think we can have any fruitful exchange on this subject so it is better to not engage.

[fast cradle]

I have added my current project, reworded my experience and skills. Any feedback? Also for my goldfolio project, I came up with a way to undo changes even if the application was closed. eg) undo Delete all records. It took me a while to make it and it was fine for what my applicaition is, but it cannot scale very well.

This was the architecure I designed and used, is it worth mentioning?

[proven crest]

In GH absolutely, not in resume

[proven crest]

Also for my goldfolio project, I came up with a way to undo changes even if the application was closed. eg) undo Delete all records. It took me a while to make it and it was fine for what my applicaition is, but it cannot scale very well.
Add that to GH too.

Thats great stuff to talk about in an interview too.

Your resume looks good too, as does your GH. It's all very well done, 👍

[gilded meteor]

hello

i need help

[hearty island]

yay to not getting immediately rejected by JPM anymore

[gilded meteor]

hi bro

[gritty rivet]

If you have a career-related question just ask it here. Otherwise see #❓｜how-to-get-help

[gilded meteor]

im a begineer in programming can you suggest me which laguage should i start first

[gilded meteor]

can you tell me

[gritty rivet]

You're on a Python server, what do you expect us to say? 😉

It doesn't matter very much where you start with, mainly depends on what you want to accomplish. But Python is a good place to start

[gilded meteor]

okay

thanks but how should i start

[hearty island]

psvm was probably right, at jeffries it says “under consideration” from like 2 months ago

[gilded meteor]

how can i stArt learnig

[hearty island]

but nothing happened

[marsh wind]

!resources is good starting place

[inner wren]

Resources

The Resources page on our website contains a list of hand-selected learning resources that we regularly recommend to both beginners and experts.

[hearty island]

and it says under consideration for every role i applied to

[marsh wind]

I have few small nitpicks here, for goldfolio:

• I feel you overuse word seamless there 🙂
• I am not sure I like the entire phrase: "Seamless login experience until user logout" - to me it does not make too much sense

[fast cradle]

I'll try to rephrase it to sound better 👍

[fast cradle]

thanks for your kind feedback 😄

[true harness]

if you're not getting callbacks, then you should be changing up your resume

[wanton birch]

Yeah. That's why I am trying to modify it now. Will you be available for a review?

[proven crest]

Just post it here, no need to try and book appointments

[fast cradle]

Guys, this is a cover letter format I use. I am not proud of the quality but I want to learn from people who have experience. I would appreciate any pointers.

[proven crest]

My feedback would be that its very general, it should me more specific to the company and role

[fast cradle]

what should I specify about the company tho? I understand that being more specific to the role is the way. By company you mean like, the location etc

[proven crest]

Why you'd like to work at the company, why you'd be a good fit

[fast cradle]

would you advice talking about the location of the company. for example london is a diverse place etc

[boreal frigate]

Hi, I am a complete newbie and i want to get into programming. I am planning to learn data science with python. Is it recommended to learn data science without any prior knowledge about software development etc?

[proven crest]

Not the location. Specifics about the company. Look at their values, progression, technologies they work with, clients etc. See if anything stands out and mention it.

[fast cradle]

got it, thanks 👍

[gritty rivet]

How you learn isn't that important as long as you're actually learning. Dive in with whatever interests you. Sites like DataCamp and DataQuest are an easy place to start, but not sufficient on their own without books, projects, etc. Kaggle is a key resource once you know some basics.

Data Science really isn't my area, but I've explored it a bit. If you're very serious about it a) find people in the field on LinkedIn etc.with backgrounds similar to yours (geographical location being #1) and b) get a relevant degree

[boreal frigate]

I actually want to pursue this as my career hence desire to monetize it so from that aspect is it adviseable to jump directly into data science or maybe discover other fields like app development first?

[proven crest]

Probably start with learning the fundamentals of python, go from there. You might find that you don't enjoy it at all. You might find you enjoy development more than data science.

Once you have a good handle of the basics and fundamentals, you can go onto a pathway towards DS or development. You'll also find it easeir at that point.

[gritty rivet]

Like I said, it doesn't matter how you learn as long as you learn. Everyone's path is different. In order to monetize a skill, you need to be exceptionally good at it, and to get exceptionally good at something, you need to be interested. Find what keeps you engaged and the rest will work out.

I am not disagreeing with what Pyrex says: start with the basics. But if you have no interest in app development, no, you don't need to persue it.

[true harness]

that might be part of it, but you could say that about every other company in London

[grave granite]

how to learn dynamic programming or recursion?

[fast cradle]

is this better?

[fast cradle]

Is a cover letter supposed to tell them why you are an ideal candidate? and talk about the companys values

[hearty island]

hey guys, dumb question but on a resume is vlookup all caps?

morgan stanley on their job description types it out in all caps

fuck it if morgan stanley is doing it all caps, i'll do it all caps too 🙂

[wanton birch]

Nowadays, I am focusing mostly on Simulation/Modeling, Aerospace Engineering, Robotics, Automation/Controls, Junior software dev (python/C++).

I'd very much love some input on improving/altering this resume. I'd also help if you provide some samples of what to aim for. 🙂 Thanks

[fast cradle]

I am no expert and depend on the guidance of these wonderful people, but I am finding it difficult to read. I think you should use the format that they recommended me.

[fast cradle]

.

[wanton birch]

As in what I wrote makes no sense or you are unable to open just the png file and see it clearly?

[fringe sphinx]

My immediate thought is: what kind of job is this resume for? Are you looking for the position we (pretending I am the recruiter) are hiring for?

[hearty island]

i would tailor the resume for what the job description looks for

[wanton birch]

I don't apply for just one specific role and even within the title of a generic role, the requirements vary a great deal. As such, I cannot practically post all possible versions of the resume. But please consider this as a form of template. This is how I am sending them in. For example, for certain robotics and control systems roles, I alter the bulletpoints under "Software & Technical Skills" to incorporate more of the software tools and subject matter expertise/familiarity I have.

This particular one, even without further modification, is almost ready for most simulation related engineering jobs I apply for.

[fringe sphinx]

Makes sense!

[hearty island]

i have a resume for a product manager, businesss analyst, agile project manager

[wanton birch]

One resume for those 3 roles?

[hearty island]

3 resumes, 3 roles. resume for each.

[fringe sphinx]

Overall, looks fine to me. There’s plenty of text that could be tightened up, and some bullets could be simplified or dropped. Drop the last skills bullet (office and google workspace is unnecessary at your skill level). Makes sense to me to lead with your strength: education, although usually it’s at bottom. Would like to see a one sentence objective statement.

[hearty island]

i used to just throw my one resume at everything but that never works. or it takes thousands of apps.

[wanton birch]

Thanks. I’ll fix that later today and make another draft.

[smoky maple]

hello does anyone know where i can get free online computer science courses?

[fringe sphinx]

Try to remove some of the fluff/corporate speak words…. Less is more. And check your tenses, I see ‘conducting’ next to studied.

[sleek egret]

harvard has simplified versions of many of their undergrad courses available under the "edx" moniker => https://pll.harvard.edu/course/cs50-introduction-computer-science

[smoky maple]

thanks

[sleek egret]

you can compare against the actual CS50 for undergrads here => https://cs50.harvard.edu/college/2023/spring/

[hearty island]

the mighty gods of goldman sachs have made their decision

and it was "Not Retained"

[wanton birch]

GS are still around!?’b

[wanton birch]

Ah! Wish you all the best for the one next in line.

[hearty island]

thanks, i'll keep plugging away

[dense mesa]

Why wouldn't it be?

[wanton birch]

In my head they died between 2007-2010. False memory.

[marsh wind]

imo not much, I meant the entire phrase "login experience until user logout", to me does not make sense

[marsh wind]

honestly, I think it's too verbose: better to be succinct otherwise you risk people just glancing over it and moving onto to next

also, your publication, most likely are irrelevant if you apply to software roles

[wanton birch]

Yeah. Depending on the type of software roles they are highly irrelevant or a very good addition. In various engineering roles, those publications provide evidence for strong domain knowledge ON TOP of software skills. At least that is my rationalisation.

[wanton birch]

That is something I myself have thought about and probably one or two people have said before. I probably suck at thinning it out.

[marsh wind]

well, it might depend on the role in question and on the publication. But I ended up dropping mines

[mint oracle]

Requirements/Skills
BS/MS degree in Computer Science, Engineering or a related subject
At least 1-2 years of professional hands on Backend development experience especially in Python & Django stack‍
Backend or Full-Stack experience in a work-setting or classroom-setting.
Work experience, open-source code, or coursework in any of the following languages: Python/Django, Golang, Ruby/Ruby on Rails
Evidence of exposure to architectural patterns of a large, high-scale web application (e.g., well-designed APIs, high volume data pipelines, efficient algorithms).
Understanding of data structures and problem-solving approaches, and ability to articulate trade-offs
Passion for creating a highly effective technology platform for our growing global workforce
Experience with Agile development
Be future-looking; we might be focused on immediate regulations, but need to build for the long term
Comfortable with tackling ambiguous problems and unblocking yourself
Focus on building high-quality products; every one of our flows affects the business bottom line
Data-driven in how you solve problems and validate you've solved them correctly
Have a strong desire to mentor the careers and development of other engineers
Possesses strong verbal and written communication skills.

How can i learn all this skills

[lapis oyster]

Does anyone use plotly dash?

Im curious what a dev charges for dash apps

[proven crest]

Start with BS degree in Computer Science

[mint oracle]

Evidence of exposure to architectural patterns of a large, high-scale web application (e.g., well-designed APIs, high volume data pipelines, efficient algorithms).

Experience with Agile development

[mint oracle]

How can i learn this ^ I meant above not bs degree

[proven crest]

By going to college for 4 years

[mint oracle]

Shit Bro!

[mint oracle]

This one! If u know some resources

[marsh wind]

it's not about resources, it's basically requires you to have experinece

[mint oracle]

But i need to learn this

[lapis wind]

I mean you can start learning some of the things mentioned, but you wont be able to read over some resources and then just apply and get the job

[dense mesa]

You've pasted a laundry list of items, this is stuff that comes with experience

[marsh wind]

do you have a degree? Did you do some pet/side project where you developed some API? Did you do an internships?

If no, it's as CF8 said... read it or not, learn it or not it won't make any difference

[hearty island]

thanks handshake, very helpful

[mint oracle]

Wdym by this line

[marsh wind]

but then, don't forget one very important thing: job listing is a wish list - especially if it's a more junior role which seems to be the case here (1-2 years of professional hands on Backend development experience)

[dense mesa]

What's the issue?

[lapis wind]

It means it takes time to get to know those technologies, normally more time than what you can do between applying and actually doing the job that requires it.

[hearty island]

nah i wanted to find smaller ones to get my foot in the door. but the smaller ones aren't hiring at all

[lapis wind]

So for example, if you don't know Django or Flask, and a job wants that and its the sort of job you want to do, then spend some time playing around with flask and Django, build a couple personal apps, etc... Then after some time you can become more comfortable using that

[dense mesa]

Investment banks aren't typically small

[hearty island]

boutique ones?

[mint oracle]

I know django but in companies u need to create complex apis

[dense mesa]

They're not typically looking for talent on recruiting websites

[mint oracle]

How can i able to work with experience guy if i am not able to contribute. Firstly i need to know how can i create complex apis and about archtiectural desgin

[hearty island]

then where would they be looking for talent

[proven crest]

A lot of the skills listed on there are a byproduct of experience, they can't just be learnt the same way you might learn a library.

[dense mesa]

Tech isn't a big thing for boutiques, whether that's IBDs or PE houses. The people they do hire will be mostly from existing networks, and they usually come from buyside and/or a large financial company

[marsh wind]

well you learn. Usually you learn by doing. Ie when you're getting your degree it implies (more often than not) that you will do internships in actual companies, which is one of the best ways to get frist exerpience and exposure

[hearty island]

so i have to break into a big company first

[dense mesa]

If this comes as a surprise then I would recommend looking into typical tech career routes in finance

[hearty island]

but i'm project management, not tech

[dense mesa]

It is quite rare, at least in the UK and US, to be able to join a small boutique to do tech as a junior. They're not looking for that

[dense mesa]

What kind of projects are you expecting to manage at smaller companies?

[hearty island]

IT related ones, so i guess tech it is then

[dense mesa]

Right, and smaller companies will have a very lean tech department, which will likely be outsourced anyways

The only reliable way I've seen people break into boutiques (for a variety of roles) is to network hard, then use those networks to "cold email" companies they have some potential connection to. So not exactly cold emailing because the prospects are slightly "warm", but it's not just mass emailing a bunch of companies either

[hearty island]

thank god i have a job lined up

... i have a job lined up after graduation, i just don't like the pay

[dense mesa]

It's always good to meet people who may be mutually beneficial throughout your career

[hearty island]

yes, if anything that's what this will all amount to

[marsh wind]

beggars can't be choosers 🙂

[hearty island]

they won't negotiate with me at all, which is why i'm looking for something else

[marsh wind]

I didn't realise that you are looking for the first job... I think especially as you break direct into project management it can be tough

[hearty island]

project coordinator roles are easier to get into however and so are project analyst roles

[marsh wind]

also, far as I can see, tech are not biggest fans of project management with the fact that more lean, agile and product oriented approaches are, well, more relevant for them

[hearty island]

that's why i'm getting my scrum master cert

why are we grimacing

[marsh wind]

I am not a fan of Scrum, and lately have doubts in usefulness of scrum masters, and, in general, SMs/POs who do not come from tech background

[dense mesa]

Non-tech product/project managers who work in tech teams are reducing in number from what I'm seeing across a few tech industries. Anecdotal but many people I know don't appreciate it

[marsh wind]

That is not to say that it won't help you personally in your career.

[marsh wind]

don't appreciate what/why axactly?

[dense mesa]

Non-tech managers trying to organise anything for a tech team, without the technical context as to what people are actually doing

[gilded valley]

I'm hearing the same thing.

it makes sense, companies are tightening up, these are the most bullshit roles so first to be cut

[hearty island]

thanks guys

[marsh wind]

there is that, yeah... and all that BS, like "OK we have this very general spec, team of 5 people who never seen each other before. Now give me an accurate estimate of the effort to implement it, and if we don't respect it, I'll blame you"

[wanton birch]

I don't use it anymore but had to use it to make a few interactive dashboards for a course. Why do you ask?

[gilded valley]

yes. I charge $SALARY.

[marsh wind]

I guess they wonder for freelance-like work

[lament prism]

Hi,
I just got my master degree in experimental psychology from a really good college.

Right now i'm doing a gap year bc I want to properly learn how to code and ML.
I'm not sure yet if I want to do a Phd mixing experimental psychology and cognitive process modeling or become a data scientist.

I just started CS50P(ython) from Harvard and like it very much.
I plan to do the regular CS50 after and follow with CS50AI.

I'm also considering using Dataquest or Datacamp on the side to reinforce/train.
Are there worth it ? Are there equally good ?
(I read on reddit that datacamp is too easy and consist in filling blank, no actual typing. I juste started the free version of the python course and it seems it's not the case in the first course.
On the other hand Dataquest seems more challenging but is lacking variety of courses and is much more expensive)

Thank for reading this long message 🙂

PS: my only real coding experience is some C in highschool and R during college for stats, but R is quite different from other languages from my understanding.

[lapis oyster]

I am working on a project at work and curious what 3rd parties would charge.

[lapis oyster]

Whats your role and scope of work w dash? Whats your salary range?

[celest kite]

I'd imagine their salary range is between $MIN_SALARY and $math.inf

[true harness]

what if they're not using floats though (also it's just math.inf)

[fringe sphinx]

Your plan makes sense. No idea on data camp/data quest: generally projects are more useful then classes. Coding is more like learning a sport, than learning history: you need to practice it.

[gilded valley]

one of the tools I use to present various pieces of analysis or make data accessible to non-technical users.

salary range isn't particularly relevant

if I was freelancing with dash, I'd be looking for £500+/day (although the world in which I'm freelancing making Dash apps is a pretty dire one)

[lament prism]

Thanks for your feedback.
I'm glad it makes sense 🙂

[lapis oyster]

Essentially, thats what Im doing
Building tools and displays of processed data

Wym dash apps is pretty tire?

[elfin spear]

Sorry, I'm new here. Can you tell me how post code in this discord ?

[deft herald]

If you need help, see #❓｜how-to-get-help

[gritty rivet]

!paste but not here, this is the career channel

[inner wren]

Pasting large amounts of code

If your code is too long to fit in a codeblock in Discord, you can paste your code here:
https://paste.pythondiscord.com/

After pasting your code, save it by clicking the Paste! button in the bottom left, or by pressing CTRL + S. After doing that, you will be navigated to the new paste's page. Copy the URL and post it here so others can see it.

[gritty rivet]

DataCamp and DataQuest are nice for basics and they have enough free content that you can go ahead and see for yourself what they're all about

Kaggle seems to be an important place where people build data science and ML projects

[lament prism]

Thx for the feedback.
Yes indeed, I plan to use kaggle latter, but I still learning python itself for now.

[hearty island]

WHAT

WHAT THE FUCK

[deft herald]

https://tenor.com/view/futurama-what-gif-21202579

[hearty island]

!!!!

whoms't i am shaking rn

[deft herald]

Congrats?

[hearty island]

i never got an interview request from these guys before

this could be huge

[deft herald]

Well, it's just an interview, mind you

[hearty island]

i know, it's just satisfying to get something after months of rejections