career-advice

[near ocean]

What does it mean when job ads have "startup experience" requirements and is this a red flag

eg

It just sounds to me like "we're going to give you a bunch of plates outside your work description and you better spin them or else"

[white relic]

Sounds like they're filtering hard for "startup culture" types. Which is sometimes justifiable, but...

[near ocean]

When would it be justifiable

[real oyster]

I'd assume they want people that know what startups can be like and how to grow them, but seems weird

some tech guy was probably like "it would be good if they've worked at startups before because we're a startup" and then HR did some dumb shit

[arctic badger]

Hi

[sand rivet]

i am failing in life...give career advice

[peak halo]

You have to say what your circumstances are for people to be able to give you advice.

[sand rivet]

I am failing at Physics and Sciences....I need to get average 90% to do something in future

[peak halo]

I'm sorry to hear that. Is getting 90% possible? Can you retake courses?

[white relic]

Some degree of cultural matching is important. A startup does have different expectations than a standard 9-5 and it's reasonable to look for people who know what to expect in that department, and maybe have a job history of putting stuff together relatively independently with little support.
Where that crosses the line into "looking for schmucks to work 70 hour weeks for magic beans" isn't completely black and white, unfortunately

[gritty rivet]

Have you discussed this with your teachers/professors? Who set this 90% target and what is the "something" you are trying to do?

[buoyant seal]

Tough. Exams in my country were kind of fully automated. It was possible to solve them all to the level of receiving high score. Just a matter of... brainlessly solving a big amount. I did not put a lot of effort and was able to get 81 in math and 76 in cs.
Also some schools in my country had connections with universities to get easier entrance.

Options are always present. U need to seek them. If your goal is to enter university, u can always scan universities which are more fitting u, and where u have better chances to be passed their requirements. I chose carefully university that fitted me the best. While applied to multiple universities just in case.

Research, prepare, go. 95%+ people don't really do it.
Constant effort from day to day during a long period, that's what important 🙂 And taking opportunities when u see them.

[smoky quest]

It's probably badly worded on their end, but startups are very different beasts from a regular office job.
I would put the emphasis less on the work/life balance (plenty of startups have a good work life balance), and more on being able to adjust to uncertainty and constant changes and chaos. It's exciting, lots of things going on but that's not necessarily for everyone

[carmine hill]

have you tried looking at online videos or learning from an external site?

brilliant might work its not that bad

[proven crest]

Hi all, I'm looking to get into development as a career shift, I have very basic python and HTML+CSS knowledge. Im self teaching myself these to expand on. my knowledge but I know they dont really go together. I just think doing this will strengthen my basic skills and keep me more motivated than starting from ground zero. Is this a bad or short sighted idea?

[grave furnace]

hey I have a coding assessment for a software engineering internship with data bricks. How can I best prepare for this?

[uncut crag]

Anyone do the free programing classes provided by Harvard before?

[delicate bane]

ah its weird being the one helping to interview interns now

i wish their resumes were better but what can you do. lets see how they are in the interview tomorrow

[vague citrus]

I have a Hackathon about to happen in a few weeks, but I'm about to apply for this grad job and the deadline is before the Hackathon starts. How can I word it so I can add it to my CV?

[peak halo]

I wouldn't add it until it has happened and you know how you did tbh. It's unfortunate that the schedules didn't line up.

[vapid jay]

hey i would like to join a group working on a game i have some python knowledge in new just dm

[cosmic mortar]

List of things to must learn for newbies looking for a career in coding?

[peak halo]

There isn't. If you want to become a professional developer, there are many different potential avenues, depending on where you're starting from. Many of them involve getting a CS degree.

[viscid halo]

And many don't require a CS degree also.

[smoky quest]

it depends on the expected outcome and career path. If you are in HS or college age, a CS degree is what will open the most doors and lead to the best careers

[spark cobalt]

I am currently interning as a high school graduate.

It's definitely a harder path as you'll generally not pass the initial resume scanning phase due to no degree. But once you get an interview opportunity, you play against the other candidates on fairly equal grounds.

In my interview, I scored very high in their scoring system. One of the engineers who typically give pessimistic scores gave me an incredibly high score.

Just once you're able to actually talk to someone in their team and prove your worth, you're able to compete against other candidates. Degree or not.

If you simply just want to get in the industry, web development is the easiest field imo. You can very easily show off your work to recruiters and also be very flexible in terms of getting experience (you can volunteer for non-profit organizations, or self employ in other ways.)

If you want to pursue more technically related roles that having a degree is preferable, it's much harder (the path that I took.)

In terms of raw numbers. I've sent out 3-4k applications over the span of 4 months.

2 offers, 4 denials. Super super low return rate. Although I will admit, there were lots of ways to improve in terms of projects and resume that could have rapidly raised that number.

But yeah, getting past the resume scanning stage is tough. Everyone and their mom has a CS degree (at least in America) so you're some random joe that recruiters will 99.99% of the time pick college grads over you.

[smoky quest]

not just the resume, but the whole interview as well

[spark cobalt]

I've done very well on my interviews.

[smoky quest]

It depends on the role

[spark cobalt]

Also depends on size of company (generally more applicants, etc.) as well yeah

But was moreso alluding that once you pass the resume scanning stage, you are in a more "fair" competitive environment against others who may have a college degree or not. But from just paper viewing from recruiter (literally just degree vs no degree), you'll get filtered out 99% of the time.

[smoky quest]

I guess you could say that. Correlation vs causation. It would tend to imply that it would not require knowledge beyond HS for that role, which would then put you on fairer grounds

[spark cobalt]

Ah role had Bachelors requirement. And company typically doesn't even hire bachelors, they generally hire masters.

[smoky quest]

But that's not something I would not recommend as an equivalent path

[smoky quest]

Then something doesn't match up somewhere. Either their requirement or acceptance criteria aren't aligned

[spark cobalt]

Which is why I say passing resume stage and getting in an actual room with engineers makes things start tipping moreso in your favor

But nonetheless, all anecdotal. Can definitely say it doesn't apply to most other companies.

[smoky quest]

if they were truly requiring master level, then you would have never passed the resume screening. Which points at something misaligned.
Not trying to take any credit away from you. That's great!

[spark cobalt]

I should ask the recruiter that let me pass the resume screening stage about that 😂

[smoky quest]

That's actually a great question for you to ask! They can point you at what caught their attention so you know for the next job

[spark cobalt]

Yeah good point!

Also working with someone else in a similar situation as mine so would be super helpful 🥳

[compact spoke]

To be frank... In some Asian countries like India.. its a must to have undergraduate degree in maths or computer science or information technology to compete for jobs. Other countries like US have the "self-taught programmer or developer" concept but it won't work here hehe

[lone oriole]

hey

i am now her

I don't know what to do

[near ocean]

Do you have a careers related question?

[compact spoke]

To be fair i have competed for companies that have written bach in the JDs but it hires masters. Well in that case i guess they want to have the top notch in bach so they can aid you for higher studies. One of the for us was Amazon SDE. Out of 493 only 12 got the job 🙂

[lone oriole]

what is careers question

?

[near ocean]

A question relating to careers in software engineering with python, come on bruh read the channel name and topic...

[compact spoke]

They were asking majority on non-linear ds and a lot of algorithms like kadane, sliding window and all those... If you are good at leetcode... Its easy for you. Some were waffling about django eel flask and beautifulsoup but couldn't write how to reverse a array in python 🙂

Btw Wells Fargo is a veteran company or smth? For us it was asking if we have military relationship

[near ocean]

Its a bank and they probably do it for discrimination purposes or to accommodate any needs you might have as a veteran

[compact spoke]

Oh so its not a candidate elimination factor i see. Thank God

[near ocean]

Americans can go into more detail but im pretty sure you get a couple benefits as a veteran and i also think its illegal to discriminate against in the workplace but im not really sure

[compact spoke]

@near ocean btw is there a channel to post company info or smth. Like i have sat for many company exams and i have many programming questions with me 😅

[near ocean]

You can use the help channels for any coding questions or the topical channels like #algos-and-data-structs
Idk about posting company info but asking for help with interview questions you struggled with is ok

[compact spoke]

No don't worry won't post company info. Just have couple of company test questions. Will post there in case it seems helpful to someone preparing for a job

[jagged forge]

What would you answer if a company asks you how much you want to earn? I sometimes wanna dodge that question. Or sometimes they ask a range and when given, it seems they actually offered the bottom of that range.

[compact spoke]

You mean how much salary u want? I generally go for whats mentioned on their JD or maybe a Glassdoor survey 😅

[jagged forge]

Ah so you would answer it. I feel like it's some psychological trick question. What if I answer X and someone else answers X--. So I would just let them drop an offer.

[gritty rivet]

Yes, I dodge that question by asking them to give their range first (in a growing number of places employers are required by law to do so).

[true harness]

the US has rules about discriminating against veterans, and other stuff. it should tell you in the job ad the specific reason why

[compact spoke]

Ok got it. Thanks a lot

[modern crypt]

Is anyone able to give me feedback on a resume? I am a first year computer science student hoping to apply for my first internship soon!

[peak halo]

go ahead and post an anonymized picture of it

[gritty rivet]

If you anonomize it and post it right here, you're very likely to get a response or two

[modern crypt]

Thanks, it's a first draft I wrote last night

I think I might get rid of the media server project? Might not be relevant

Could quickly make a Sudoku solver or something instead

Also maybe the bullet points aren't concise enough?

[gritty rivet]

I find it confusing to see what looks like a project under coursework. Coursework normally would denote a list of classes, which is relevant when applying for an internship as a student

It's a good idea to avoid columns like you have in the project section. Websites and bots may mess up when ingesting that

[gritty rivet]

Depending on the role, yes, I might cut it. Two projects is enough and you don't necessarily need to separate personal projects vs assignments if they're good portfolio pieces

[modern crypt]

Ah okay yeah in my school we called any non exam assessment coursework, I see what you mean

I was also trying to keep it in one page. So I could remove the columns and make the bullet points shorter?

[modern crypt]

Okay yeah I could have space for a personal statement as well if i cut it out

[modern crypt]

Should I be listing the modules I'm taking for my degree? Currently, in the first year I haven't been able to choose any so they're just the standard ones

[gritty rivet]

It's your call, fine to leave out if it doesn't add value

[modern crypt]

Yeah okay cool

If it's machine parsed is my use of paragraphs redundant?

[gritty rivet]

You want it to look good for humans too

[modern crypt]

true

[fringe bolt]

at what stage am i good enough to start applying for jobs?

[peak halo]

you can always start applying. each listing will say what experience/knowledge/credentials they want their applicants to have. the fewer of them that you have, the less likely you are to get a response.

If you're a young person without professional experience, you're not very likely to get responses if you don't have a degree.

[true harness]

that workflow section seems completely unnecessary, it could just be a few more terms in the technical skills section.

I would be wary of putting your skill level in the various languages, it seems strange

[spark cobalt]

Oh wow that's super competitive. Congrats! Pursuing education down the line when it's paid for by company may be something I do, but at the moment I don't think the benefits outweigh the cost (mostly time.)

[vapid valve]

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[spark cobalt]

Whenever you're ready for professional development.

[vapid valve]

morir hore

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[spark cobalt]

I self studied programming for the past 2.5 years. After graduating high school 4 months ago, now working as an SWE intern.

[spark cobalt]

@fringe bolt May interest you to read my digressions on pursuing a non-degree path here.

[fringe bolt]

pinned messages?

[compact spoke]

No no i was not selected 😅🤣

[spark cobalt]

Ah 😢

[spark cobalt]

No, the message I was replying to.

Link if more convenient for you: https://discordapp.com/channels/267624335836053506/470889390588035082/1029276650266968094

[compact spoke]

At that moment i was too out of python and finding why java gone to 19 but python still on 3.11 🙂

[spark cobalt]

Perhaps it may be worthwhile to consolidate my experience as self learning and then getting a job right after high school. Not many resources out there for this situation.

[compact spoke]

Btw i saw jython, ironpython... I don't think the other language communities will allow yall after we made programming easy for everyone 😉😏

[spark cobalt]

Nearly everyone else on the Internet that didn't have a CS degree had some other degree.

[gritty rivet]

Yes, fully self taught programmers with no degree at all are pretty rare

[spark cobalt]

Really lonely journey definitely

[compact spoke]

Yes many in my circle are someone-from-another-field-came-to-it. They do analytics because its easy and doesn't require dsa. I do analytics because its my interest. Some people biased and say since our coding is good we should go for backend and leave analytics for other field people 🙂

[spark cobalt]

Super glad it ended up working out in the end. Moved to San Jose before finding myself a job, risky but ended up being a worthwhile decision.

[spark cobalt]

Yeah definitely! I think I saw quite a few polls where a staggering amount of people didn't have a CS degree.

[compact spoke]

Many have youtube channels tho. Just search for self taught programmer journey 🤣

[spark cobalt]

They all have past degrees, which is the primary issue.

And their advices suck ass.

[compact spoke]

Python programmer is one

[gritty rivet]

They're on YouTube for a reason 😉

[compact spoke]

True dat 🤣

[spark cobalt]

Self taught programmer is easy clickbait. But the content itself doesn't really reflect the process of finding a job

[buoyant seal]

plus survivorship bias exists after all ;b https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Survivorship_bias

[spark cobalt]

Good point.

Lot of variables and frankly, luck, in doing this path

[modern crypt]

Yeah I see what you mean, I'll redraft and send again

[delicate bane]

yep yep yep. we always hear the success stories instead of the opposite

[spark cobalt]

There's just no data :c. I still haven't met anyone that pursued CS with no degree.

[buoyant seal]

well, i met a guy in IT with degree of geologist at least. He traumatized me and made the worst first impression about frontenders xD

[spark cobalt]

Could mean that there were a lot of failures, or very few that bothered to fully commit to it to begin with

[spark cobalt]

😂

[uncut kiln]

Hey, I'm learning python right now and I've covered the basics but now I'm confused where to go from here. So Can anyone guide me for the same.

[glossy knoll]

hi

[buoyant seal]

https://raw.githubusercontent.com/darklab8/darklab_backend_roadmap/master/swe_backend.drawio.svg
Learn Git, or Unit testing best principles and practices, get a hang of pytest 🙂
Learn Light Purple and Green skills, they are universal for your python way

[gritty rivet]

One approach: just build stuff. Whatever you want to build. If you can't, then identify what you need to learn in order to build it

[buoyant seal]

and just make projects which will be relevant to position u a going to apply 🙂

[uncut kiln]

Do I need to learn about the API before working on projects?

[wooden magnet]

Hello, I have been learning python and as of now i know the python basics and a few modules. I wanted to get into cyber-security/pentesting but i dont know where/how to start learning these skills.

i think i should also add that im 16 y.o. but idk if thats important

[spark cobalt]

Yes. I highly recommend that in order to get a top down view of whichever framework you want to use, you read a book on it. As someone self learning for the past 2.5 years, unfortunately the best place to learn about concepts are still in books and documentation. Youtube videos fail to give you general concepts, certificate courses generally fail to show you optimal ways to do things and "bigger picture" ideas (depends on the certificate of course, but in general this is the case.)

If you want to have flexibility in your project, maybe create a REST API with FastAPI/Flask/Django so you can extend your project to various things. Something that I did was make a Rest API for a Discord bot which also had ability for users to configure things in a website built with React.

If you don't know what position you're applying for, something that comes up in interviews are generally past projects. Things very few people have the capability to build (by themselves) and things that take time will stand out the most.

Really just need to show that you're able to complete projects (a lot of people start projects and never push to complete them), and you're able to learn a range of things quickly and to the point you can write production-level code.

Also doing things at scale says a lot about you as a person in an interview. It will help A LOT in behavioral as you discuss problems and how you overcome it. And it will build you up a lot as a programmer.

[spark cobalt]

Perhaps start with some books? If you don't have access to them and need the PDFs for them, can DM me for it. Have PDFs of almost every programming book ever in existence.

[spark cobalt]

Anyone can program :D. Unless you're like 2 years old but definitely not a problem.

[uncut kiln]

So like at what point can I add python as a skill in my resume?

[spark cobalt]

Uhhhh I just added every language I touched on my resume tbh. Can backfire and can also give advantage.

[uncut kiln]

Oh okay thankyou so much!!

[buoyant seal]

from the moment u are willing to be hired working with this language as a tool ;b
from the moment u agree to go through interviews where your knowledge in this tool can be checked

[delicate bane]

we had one candidate today for an internship who did not have any projects on their resume nor could talk about any

[true harness]

what did you do then, does that just end the interview lol? also, what's your application process like, do you try and filter applicants with an online technical assessment?

[buoyant seal]

i was hired to my first python backend developer job because of participation in open source project in C++ for gaming community built around game server modded through reverse engineering and hacking with assemble.

[delicate bane]

it didnt end it automatically, but it did end it early

[delicate bane]

nice! thats actually pretty dope

[ivory sluice]

how'd they get past an initial screen? referral?

[cerulean spade]

guys make difference study the fundamentals of math in programmation?

[buoyant seal]

if your final career goals will be data science/data engineer related then yes (and if person learns and passionate about smth, he will find how incorporate into his workflow those fields even if they were not initially present in his current role)
Also important for game dev to know at least linear algebra. Other math could be important for game too, for example if u a going to do some magic with physics at a more manual way

[cerulean spade]

example: the grid of college of science of computer, everything that was there is relevant?

know how things works or know things works in background?

[true harness]

is there a specific resource you're referring to? it would make it easier for us to figure out how to give you advice if we knew what you were talking about

[smoky quest]

I am currently reviewing resumes for internships and there is so much garbage. It's pretty bad this year.
I have filtered out a good half just because they are so far fetched

[cerulean spade]

so i did any courses of python, but i think that learn the fundamentals was important and i geted the grid of college of CS, but when i began study talk much math, and i think that i dont was understand nothing.

algorithm type is important to know, data structure I was understanding, but when the math part started, which consists more in the fundamentals of how languages ​​were made, I thought it was not relevant to study it in depth.

[spark cobalt]

Never good for colleges to say you have to do way more than just get a degree to get a job 🤣, partially discredits the degree they're offering to begin with

All this stigma created in high schools that a CS degree is an automatic CS job is just kek

[buoyant seal]

i saw mention that college degree student can jump transfer to higher year of university for continuation in some cases 🙂

[spark cobalt]

I personally don't see the point of going to higher education unless the field you're interested in is heavy on mathematics. Mostly machine learning.

[buoyant seal]

plus all the juice of university for me was in the first two years i think, third and fourth were kind of meh.

[smoky quest]

I haven't even gone at the stage of filtering based on the details.
So far, I have focused on:

• Senior people applying
• People that haven't done anything remotely related to CS
• People who aren't even mentioning any project. Like just mentioning they had a lifeguard job over the summer
• etc.

[spark cobalt]

Otherwise, I see more cases where students choose higher education to simply avoid being in the workforce. Which is just a sad fucking thing to see...

I know multiple people in my gaming community that is spending loan money to game and going to higher education simply cuz they don't want to work

[true harness]

could i get a review on this? 👀 for context, i'm a US college student, looking for software engineering internships. what would be the value of including something where i talk about a club that i'm in?

[spark cobalt]

I would put work experience on the bottom.

[smoky quest]

One that got a chuckle was someone who copy/pasted from netflix and told me how they heard good things about netflix and how they want to be maintaining DBs (ie. we don't do that here)

[true harness]

for their cover letter?

[buoyant seal]

my relative hits all red flags of your list, and still believes that can start learning for IT in 48 years being old while having basically... no internet / and having sight problems
kind of not really sure how to say that about chances being quite small

[spark cobalt]

Your Work Experience is special, in the sense that it tells employers you're not someone who has NEVER worked in a team setting before. But if your work experience is not programming related, it isn't superior to any other coding projects you've done.

[true harness]

what are your qualifications? i.e. are you a hiring manager, swe, etc

[spark cobalt]

Wdym

I'm a high school graduate working as intern lmao.

Researching and playing the resume game is pretty much something I've been working and formulating on over past 4 months.

No degree getting past resume screening is difficult. Everyone having degrees make things tough.

[buoyant seal]

u a hired.
(just kidding, but saying kind of truth, nice resume for graduate)

[spark cobalt]

But I will say, simply because recruiters are going through hundreds of resumes a day, if your coding stops at like halfway through to unrelated work, it's super easy for a recruiter to assume that the rest of your resume is unrelated to programming and not bother to read it

[true harness]

did you receive more responses by doing what you suggested?

[spark cobalt]

Yes.

[smoky quest]

• Resumes are read top to bottom. So put first what you want people to see. In this case, your projects are way more interesting than your job at Chipotle.
• The competitions you won: don't put that fact at the end. Maybe in their title even.
• Don't hesitate to mention interesting numbers or facts about your projects. For instance the number of request/s handled or latencies
• In terms of projects, either sort them by time (descending) or relevance/interest (descending)
• If you are looking for non-frontend internships, put the fluff at the end

[spark cobalt]

It's super easy to have your own great idealization on what is good or not, but in reality, you need to think in the shoes of the recruiter/etc. that's reading your resume. Super lucky to have a community where there are people in these positions to tell you how they think things. Should abuse it.

Something I've realized I've been doing wrong before I decided to step out to networking events and talk to hiring managers etc.

[smoky quest]

I forgot to mention, but your projects are pretty good for a first year. So congrats!

[spark cobalt]

Btw in person networking is super OP. Would highly recommend 🥳

[buoyant seal]

omg, first year? indeed killing it

[true harness]

summer has been very boring 😩

also, i have no idea how i can better word the last bullet in "Sorting Algorithm Visualizer". it's definitely way too long, but idk how i can cut it down while retaining detail

[smoky quest]

the diversity is pretty good too.
I have had resumes where it's all about ML. But we don't do that much of it, so it makes me wonder how adaptable or open to non-ml stuff they would be. Having that diversity can show you aren't a one trick poney

[spark cobalt]

Dude at least you're doing something. So many of my CS friends aren't doing anything.

[smoky quest]

I would be more curious about how you visualized them.
And you should make justice to your optimization.

Plotting a graph is a non-event in itself, but the rest catch the attention

[spark cobalt]

Huge kudos to have that many things to put on your resume as a first year. 🥳

[true harness]

what do you think about separating the libraries by language in the "Technologies" section? they're relatively small horizontally so i'm thinking of putting them all on one line. would give me some more vertical space

[buoyant seal]

visualization in projects is kind of looking like big part at the moment, consider exploring deeper something besides frontend perhaps?
like learning all the staff/ecosystem about building scalabing serverside web infra. It will make a really killing feature for you if u will go futher into backend/devops, which is potentialy present with your currently mentioned skills
well, and diving deeper into code architecture stuff in the future

if u will be having more boring summers 🙂

[smoky quest]

I would put them after the education, so it helps the reviewer understand what we are talking about (ie. you are a student) prior going into the details.
Other than that, either way with regards to the categorization. Whatever makes you feel comfortable.

[true harness]

hmm. it seems you both got a "frontend vibe", which i did not want. my blog project was mostly focused on backend, so i guess need to reorder my bullets better 🤔. i think just moving the html and css line last would be a good help

[smoky quest]

The technologies could benefit from some non-webdev entries

[buoyant seal]

yeah, i got mostly frontend vibe (+ junior software engineering stuff) from your current projects, but clearly seeing vibe of foundation to grow into backend/devops stuff with your resume. and software architect (of cloud solutions) stuff after that

[buoyant seal]

consider more going into stuff like fifty shades of databases (postgresql, elasticsearch as search engine, redis)
learning code architecutre, and what are microservices
going for this horizontal scalable stuff of implementing Message Queue and Event Streaming stuff with rabbitmq/celery/redis/kafka (which will be really nice if u got understandong of Event Driven Programming as code archtecture thing)
And with all this stuff u will be wishing to expland a bit your infrastructure tooling too. augmenting your docker with stuff like ansible, kubernetes

[buoyant seal]

Focus mainly should be on expanding Software Engineering (Code Architure / System Design / Different backend/cloud specific stuff from it) and Backend (Databases / tools for horizonstal scaled systems) tooling first
What to learn from DevOps side should be chosen really carefully because all stuff there could have been changed to your graduation almost fully
i can only hope that Ansible + Docker + Kubernetes will be potentially still present from this stuff in 5 years. (Because Kubernetes is open source and dominating market at least at the moment)

• Basic concepts like caching/web server like Nginx/load balancing should be unchanged/and other stuff of similar infra category

I am quite sure that Software Engineering generic stuff will be changed almost zero in 4-5 years (or whatever time u a going to graduate)
As well as probably all of backend stuff

[true harness]

And you should make justice to your optimization.
i'm not sure how technical i should get, i.e. how high level should this be/how much detail? my current change is just to add "against pathological input"

[buoyant seal]

Well, if u a going to keep up with infra tooling that would be even more killing feature, but u will need to keep track of what is going on in this world for sure
like at the moment AWS is really trending for infra (and that allone can get person hired if he knows it well), but considering it being proprietary changing messy solution and not satisfiaction with its pricing models... it all can change

[smoky quest]

Technical enough to make me want to call you.

[true harness]

luckily my phone number isn't on my resume 😳. i hate being called 😔

[smoky quest]

Your resume is your sales ad. So you don't want to be too technical but you also don't want to be too general that it hides your feats

[buoyant seal]

xD that could be actually kind of point that bachelor's degree is all this person needs perhaps
Than sooner will dive into commercial exp, then better

[smoky quest]

Expectations would be higher if they were at their last year of the BS though.

[true harness]

yeah. i'm hoping i get an internship to get actual xp. unfortunately a lot of my competitors probably have more theoretical knowledge since they've taken more classes 😦.

[spark cobalt]

I've taken 0 classes and doing internship. You'll do great!

[true harness]

i'm actually kinda interested in how you got the internship, since usually internships require you to be enrolled in a CS program or something similar

[spark cobalt]

I initially applied to a non-intern role actually. The job qualifications required Bachelors but for some reason (still need to ask why) I was allowed to move forward to on-site interviews, in which I scored super high on all rounds.

But merely to account for my situation, the company (and I) think that it's better if I start as an intern to get a feel for company and get some work experience before I move to do full time.

[hallow geyser]

Hi I'm a Python Developer, just got my certification. I wanted to start working on real projects, more like volunteering. Maybe some of you looking for team member, or can suggest anything? Please DM

[delicate bane]

most likely. im just assisting on interview calls so idk the details

[delicate bane]

thats wild. glad to know it might be more than just us

[delicate bane]

really really good. are you going to apply for spring internships? bc if you havent, i would heavily consider it. unless you think your course-load would be too much and youd rather wait till the summer

[true harness]

hmm, that's actually a good point. i've mostly just been applying to summer ones, but more applications would definitely mean a better chance of getting one 🤔. thanks for the suggestion. plus i haven't chosen courses for next sem yet

also, forgot to thank everyone else ! i can't ping because i'll get muted, so, @ wilder, recursive, darkwind 🥺

[gritty rivet]

Loads of projects are always looking for help on GitHub, here is one of the better lists I've seen: https://github.com/MunGell/awesome-for-beginners

[spark cobalt]

Good luck! You're doing very very good compared to other first years ♥️

[low scaffold]

is BS in computer science and MBA degree higher or just MS in computer science higher

[true harness]

define "higher"

[peak halo]

what kind of job are you aiming for?

[low scaffold]

cyber security but managing type of position

and ofc high pay

[hallow geyser]

Thank you, I’ll take a look

[spark zinc]

ok highkey im getting insanely stressed over internship hunting like how am i supposed to compete with ppl who can solve leetcode hard problems in like 5 minutes when it takes me half an hour to do leetcode medium

like am i just gonna have to accept some mediocre shit and have absolutely no ambition forever and just "go with the flow" i.e. take any job im lucky enough to get with my lacklustre algorithms ability or is it possible to actually dream of having a good salary and shit lol

[smoky quest]

practice so you become faster

[spark zinc]

i only have this fall to find internships :/

[smoky quest]

It doesn't take a semester to get in shape

[spark zinc]

if i cant ill have to take a year off just to find an internship

[smoky quest]

not trying to scare you, but you should polish the whole package:

• Make sure you can leetcode in reasonable time. No need to be the fastest
• Make sure your resume is in an ok shape
• If you link any git repository, make sure they are in a good shape
• A sincere motivation letter / application can make the difference

[spark zinc]

see im going mostly for itnernships in GNC (guidance, navigation, and controls) which is like extra hard bc everyone in this field just seems to be really fucking smart

like it feels like im at a genetic disadvantage just ebcause i wasnt born with a brain that fast

my best friend is one of those super smart ppl and he has less coding experience than me but i see him code and just die on the inside like how the FUCK did he think of that so fast yk

not to mention that i absolutely hate doing leetcode so being motivated to do it is super hard haha

[smoky quest]

Hi!
It's not the place for shitposting

[smoky quest]

leetcode is not the end in itself. It's a mean to an end, to validate you can code.
You don't need to be the best at it

For the same reason, no one gives a crap about CP

[spark zinc]

i see, i think im just insanely burnt out already thanks to multiple all nighters

like i want a job in which i can do alot of math, thats my passion and goal

but to do that i have to do everything but math for some reason

[smoky quest]

I mean, math just by itself will rarely be something that brings in money. It will always be coupled to a way for a company to use it. Be it for DS/ML, CV or GNC or finance, etc.

also "math" is very broad in itself.

[spark zinc]

yea fair, but holy hell GNC is hard to enter and man do they have high expectations for how well you can do leetcode

and ofc my biggest weakness is that i cannot deal with mediocrity at all and im like literally never satisfied until im at least one standard deviation above average which is hard to do considering that im usually very, very, very average at my academics and stuff

anyways that is my daily "i hate leetcode and the state of the economy" rant for the day, time to pull another fucking all nighter and destroy my braincells until i get a job from where i will struggle to pay rent and spend my left over money on coping mechanisms until i retire at the age of 65 with severe onset arthiristis and kidney stones and whatever other horrible things happen to old ppl

the american dream

[smoky quest]

if you struggle to pay rent with a job that requires leetcode, you are doing something wrong

[spark zinc]

bro i wish, but literally all these software jobs are paying fucking like 25 CAD an hour

and i live in toronto where the rent is fucking inSANITY

[smoky quest]

ah my bad, I thought you meant the USA, not the continent

[spark zinc]

like the rent here is absolutely fucking crazy out of this world sky high dogshit garbage

ppl here be like "oh you make 100k a year? damn im sorry that you are stuck in poverty" ☠️

and youd think canadians would be kinder to the poor but nah everyone here is obsessed with being a stuck up little shit who brags about how much money they have bc they all wannabe Drake

like if i see another lambo with a modified , ear destroying exhaust roll down my university's campus im going to simply die

[smoky quest]

are there that many lambos in Toronto?

[delicate bane]

hmm. as much as i know saying 'dont let peer pressure get to you' may be meaningless...lets just imagine someone else said it

[spark zinc]

dude its crazy, its like half of toronto is isnanely stupidly rich and the other half of toronto is living in roach infested hellholes without money to pay for food

and maybe its just ppl in my age group and social circle but holy hell it is insanelyyyyyyy competitve around here like even ur girl will judge you if you dont make as much money as ur friends ☠️

trudeau's paradise :)))))))))))))))))))

but i mean it makes sense, noone wants to date or be friends with someone who doesnt make alot of money in a city where a simple water bottle costs 6 fucking dollars

[vapid jay]

As a Toronto native I can confirm

Housing market is ass lowkey want to move to the US just because of real estate and cost of living

[compact spoke]

Btw guys any ideas on how to ace data structures and algorithms? I am able to understand each program but when i mix the questions, i feel like there is too much on my plate. Like if i do stack queue tree and linked list then i get stuck on sorting and vice versa

[mystic gull]

there's a ton of material in youtube about it, some if it very good

I had a shit professor at it so basically learned all of it throu here

[compact spoke]

@mystic gull any favorite ones for you that might be important for me?

[compact spoke]

Same. Our prof just reads through the code like we in church 🙂

[mystic gull]

watched most of it in spanish, but im sure that there's even more of it in english

[compact spoke]

Socratica?

[mystic gull]

Hmmm lemme check, it was a couple years ago

[mystic gull]

my course was in C++, so this guy was a godsend

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJzLmjSJc2c&list=PLWtYZ2ejMVJlUu1rEHLC0i_oibctkl0Vh

[compact spoke]

Ahhh programmer in you is a good youtube channel tho

[mystic gull]

Don’t know most of the names tbh. I mostly watch videos for what I’m currently doing, not so much courses

[spark cobalt]

Honestly Leetcode problems are like 50% behavioral. Sometimes they don't expect you to get the right answer and they want to see how you persevere and persist in hard problems. One of my interviewers who generally gives very pessimistic scoring gave me high scorings simply because while I didn't get the correct answer per se, I was able to capture all the problems, complications, edge cases, and formulate strategies that could possibly get to that goal.

Just be calm. Being a trainwreck destroys your chances.

Living conditions in San Jose is pretty great though. I live in 1b0.5b for $830 including utilities per month. Before moving here I thought that things would be extremely costly but people are very reasonable.

[vast oxide]

Hello guy's.
I am 🔰 in python.
Can I have some work?

[near ocean]

No, this is about career related discussion, not a job fair

[granite pawn]

oh nyo, messed up the technical interview

well its not all messed up, i just cant properly explain my code

[blazing glade]

Guys I'm hosting a online talk sort of thing on containerization which will include basics whosoever intrested can join will have a discussion session as well at the end. 😉

https://www.eventbrite.com/e/containerization-hacktoberfest-edition-tickets-440201754297

https://in.linkedin.com/in/shikharvashistha

[gilded valley]

I don't understand what you are asking here

Ah, then that isn't really allowed on the server. You can discuss things around the topic, but saying "hire me" and "I want to hire someone" are both against the rules

[unborn light]

Try to rephrase the question, for example, where you can search for intership, usefull sites or some other resources. I don't know the answer, just trying to help 🙂

[full bronze]

Would employers care about a oxford computer science degree or 3 years of experience

[gilded valley]

Yes

[full bronze]

ha ha thats so funny, you said yes to a question that has 2 choices, why are you so funny bro :I

[gilded valley]

It does not have 2 choices

[full bronze]

please just stop talking smh

[peak halo]

@gilded valley they wanted to know which an employer would value more. and the answer is "depends on the employer".

@full bronze please don't ask other community members to "stop talking".

[full bronze]

is 'is/eum' ur pronouns

[full bronze]

i thought the guy was trying to be funny

[peak halo]

@lone heron what? please don't post random pics in our topical channels.

[lone heron]

Damn

[gilded valley]

I answered your question as it was written.

[full bronze]

Ok, nice

[peak halo]

@full bronze to answer your original question, a CS degree will be recognized by pretty much any employer who hires developers. But if you have three years experience, employers who want people to do the specific thing that you did for those three years might prefer that.

[full bronze]

do you know about degree apprenticehsips

ok, basically, i can get 3 years of work experience froma. compnay like jpmorgan, get a degree in digital and tech solutions, get paid like at least 20k a year, but would an oxford/cambridge degree be worth it because i plan on going to america and wokr there, so idk if oxford would make a huge difference as it is the top university in the world? @peak halo

[gilded valley]

Somehow, I don't think you're cut out for Oxford...

[peak halo]

Condescending remarks such as this one are a threat to the continuation of this channel. If having this discussion space is something you want to keep, please don't say things like this.

[gilded valley]

I'm sorry. I shouldn't have been petty.

[peak halo]

Thank you.

[dense mesa]

Yes

[full bronze]

😌

[dense mesa]

If it's from JP then it's potentially comparable to an Oxford degree, but I'd still personally go for the degree

[full bronze]

but i mean with 3 years of experience and a degree from a lower university and some money for moving to america with no student debt sounds pretty good

[lone heron]

Idk if this fits the desc of the channel but how can I effectively use LinkedIn? People have said that it helps in getting finding jobs and increases the chances of getting one too. I have a LinkedIn account but I've never focused on it. Can anyone help me or even link me with references on how to communicate there?

[dense mesa]

A degree from Oxford would be more likely to land you a high paying grad job, even if you have all the experience of a degree apprenticeship

Solid choice would be to do 3 years at Oxford with spring weeks and internships

[gritty rivet]

It depends on what you're trying to accomplish.

What I find most valuable at LinkedIn is that I can learn about people's career paths. If someone is doing a job I want to do,.I can see what path led them there, and reach out with questions. If you take a genuine interest in people's experiences they will be likely to share valuable advice

It's also a place swarming with recruiters. Think of your profile like a resume and if you have in-demand skills you are likely to be approached with job offers

[dense mesa]

@full bronze do you currently hold offers from both Oxford and a company offering a degree apprenticeship?

[lone heron]

Oh. To be very honest, I don't know what type of field I want to pursue. I'm pretty good at python but that's it. I did branch out to web development and machine learning but I didn't dive too deep into it. Now I've started getting in fullstack web development, I am pretty good with html,css, javascript, php, MySQL but I'm not good with the recent tech stacks like react, angular, vue, etc. I've a somewhat experience in game development using c++ and a game engine. And there are similar cases in java, golang and .net. I'm pretty good with cloud stuffs like AWS too so I wanted to go for devops but I've heard that it's pretty difficult for a fresher to get a job in that field. I'm taking people's advices and I think yours was the best one out of all of them. So I think I should first figure out what I want to do and then follow someone's path. Thank you so much for helping me out with this. Really appreciate it 🙏

[full bronze]

Yes

[gritty rivet]

You could apply for entry level back end jobs with your current skills and have a good shot

[dense mesa]

Oxford haven't started giving out offers yet lol

[full bronze]

im in oxford rn

i have the degree apprenticeship offer available till next week

[dense mesa]

So you'd drop out of first year at Oxford to restart a degree apprenticeship next year?

[lone heron]

thank you. I will try that. I will also keep all the tips which you've given in my mind.

[boreal tide]

Hi everyone, I have been working as a frontend developer at a big corporation for 1 year. I learned frontend on the job, no cs degree. Now I am being asked to learn a new skill, what is the best skill for me to learn so that it can pair with my frontend React/Typescript/HMTL/CSS knowledge? I know I want to learn backend, but what I am asking is what backend language pairs the best in regards to future career prospects. What is "Future proof"? Is it java or python? What type of backend web or micro services or something else? Is there an area you think is growing like cloud or something else? I am just asking here to get a pulse of the industry.

[gritty rivet]

First, forget future proof it doesn't exist. There are rising and falling technologies but change never stops

[smoky quest]

You may want to check https://roadmap.sh/
There is no set answer as different companies use different tools and languages/frameworks/tools overlap. So I would recommend to focus on your learning abilities and core skills like frontend and backend. From there, picking a new backend or frontend language won't be an issue

[near ocean]

Please dont do that, if your question is interesting it'll gather attention, the image is just spam

Also you might want to be more specific, what kind of it job, where, what industry, etc

[white vector]

how much does an entry level job pay for a person with masters on average in the us?

[waxen wasp]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/806601632694534155/1029496842028851250/zz79.mp4

[smoky quest]

above 100k

[smoky quest]

Hi!
This is not a place for shitposting

[white vector]

do software engineering and data science pay similar?

[smoky quest]

yeah

[buoyant seal]

software engineering salaries are super different based on language/company/experience/country though.
The only similar thing about them is eventually having same amount of digits potentially

[white vector]

yea i am planning on a job after finishing masters in us

[white vector]

i was planning on specializing in data science but if i cant get in through entry level without job experience is software engineering path still possible for me?

[smoky quest]

entry level is by definition without experience. So not sure to follow

[white vector]

ah i meant something like what if i cant get into data science job can i still get a software engineer path

[smoky quest]

ah then yeah. It's a specialization, so you should still be able to do regular software engineering

[white vector]

ah alright nice thanks

[prisma hollow]

I am currently looking for a job in which python is core language. I have pretty firm grip on basics and have done 5 months internship and a freelancing project in django. Can anyone assess my resume and give me some advice because i am new to the US. I have applied for many job position but no positive response. I would appreciate any advice and leads.

[full bronze]

i can do it rn, i have up this week or next week im not too sure

[prisma hollow]

I have my experience and education from india. Will it negatively affect my profile in US?

[smoky quest]

If you do so, make sure you don't have all your projects on your resume being hyper specific to DS

[smoky quest]

What are the pros and cons in your mind?

[smoky quest]

feel free to post an anonymized version for folks to review.
And no, your past experience from India won't hurt you

[white vector]

alright imma take note of that

[prisma hollow]

Should i post it in this channel?

[full bronze]

Degree apprenticeship: 3 Years work experience at a top investment bank, a bachloers degree at a random uni with no student debt, at least 55k tax free at the end
Oxford uni: I would have went to one of the top presitgious schools in the world, can do internships to cover student debt and gain some wokr experience

[vapid valve]

H

Just h

Nothing else

[smoky quest]

yes!

[dense mesa]

@vapid valve not a channel for shitposting

[dreamy shadow]

I'm applying to grad school. I need a letter from at least one out of two of my professors who taught classes that are directly relevant to the field I'm applying. I sent out an email to one, and followed up a week after but heard nothing. Should I continue to follow up until they respond?

[smoky quest]

I guess it depends more on the quality of that investment bank.

In general, school years are worth far more than experience years. And the quality of the school mostly has impact on factors other than the education specifically (there are exceptions for specific topics), and a lot of the value will be derived from your professional network you will get.
For instance, in a few years, when you will want to bring people in, whether as team mates or employees, you will look first in your network, which will start with people from your school. And the better school, the higher the ambition and compensation, which means better opportunities.

With regards to the apprenticeship, it's cool, but it wouldn't move the needle.

As you mentioned you plan on emigrating, be aware that the degrees do give access to different quotas and make things easier.

[smoky quest]

I would probably just follow up once more a bit later. But harassing them is the best way to piss them off

[dreamy shadow]

So I sent my initial request in August 31, followed up on Sept 14. Would this be ample time to send another now?

[smoky quest]

I would say so

[dreamy shadow]

Also, how do I find out if one of my professor is on some sort of leave? I know the obvious way would have their email auto reply, but this isn't always the case.

[inner wren]

Hey @prisma hollow!

It looks like you tried to attach file type(s) that we do not allow (.pdf). We currently allow the following file types: .gif, .jpg, .jpeg, .mov, .mp4, .mpg, .png, .mp3, .wav, .ogg, .webm, .webp, .flac, .m4a, .csv, .json.

Feel free to ask in #community-meta if you think this is a mistake.

[delicate bane]

usually, at least in my experience, you can ask the front desk of the department to check

[smoky quest]

Schools would frequently have some alumni/relations coordinator. It would be worth contacting them

[prisma hollow]

Can you guys review my resume?
Since my native language isn't English, i would appreciate any help or advice you guys provide me with. Thank you!

[dreamy shadow]

Thanks, I'll look into it.

[prisma hollow]

I think that im getting rejected by the ats system.

[dreamy shadow]

I'm wondering if I should follow up with a new email or continue to reply with my original LoR email.

[smoky quest]

• if online psb loans is for an internship, state so
• s/Rest-APIs/REST apis/
• s/under agile methodologies/with agile methodologies/
• Inheritance is a very basic concept of OOP. If you have to mention that on your resume, it means your skills aren't that high. Thus remove that as it's not worth bragging about. Same with decorators
• Don't say you implemented angular. You used or leverage angular
• git is a tool, you don't integrate with it, unless you write developer tools
• if you use words like at scale, low latencies, secured or scalable, you should include some numbers and be ready to back it up. Otherwise it may be dismissed as buzzwords
• Increase of something by 99% will look unrealistic and will be questioned. Have you really improved results that much?
• The insights into existing counts and real time figures is way too vague
• For Token Radar, you may want to expand a bit on what was going on

Overall, the style is good, but you make so many wild claims that a reviewer would most likely discard your resume on the account of having the impression you are making stuff up

[prisma hollow]

Thank you for the advice
And about 99% accuracy, It was semantic analysis model in which i had to categorize the data based on 3 features, 1 was text, so i used bag of words method and fuzzy logic. Doing so i got 99.2% on testing data sets which were provided to me to train. I will mention the real-world dataset i did testing on. It gave 94% accuracy.

Ill post the resume after i edit it thank so much

[dreamy shadow]

99% accuracy in ML model screams over fitting to me.

[smoky quest]

also to be clear, you don't train your model on the test data set

[prisma hollow]

Should i write about git version control instead of integrate?

[smoky quest]

Depends on what you want to say about it

[prisma hollow]

Haha, tbh data science is uncharted territory to me. I used it because i had some ideas about it and it was my last task. Task was to make the program more efficient. You wont believe they usrd thousands of regex in that program. Nearly 7k line of code which took them 1-2 years to build.

[smoky quest]

That's something worth mentioning. Replacing a very complex system with thousands of regex with a model doing better is actually very cool

[prisma hollow]

Wew

Thats the thing, i dont know how should i write those things like that.

[smoky quest]

Folks can help rephrase but no one can guess what you did.
So start by trying to give context and explaining in your own way and then ask for help to phrase it better

It may help to phrase them using the STAR method: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Situation,_task,_action,_result

[prisma hollow]

Thanks ill check it out

If possible can you help me rephrase one more thing? I completely my task in 2 months from starting my internship, s my oteam lead made me a part of their live project. We learned angular from scratch since my team only had experience with backend programming.

I dont wanna use all your time this would be last.

[smoky quest]

that's fine. I am in an out. So don't necessarily expect an answer right away.

Your sentence contains like 5 different things. Which one do you want to express?

[prisma hollow]

I want to express that im highly adaptive to technologies.

[spark cobalt]

Perhaps for Library Management System include the technologies you used.

[prisma hollow]

That was the first academic project and i learned django for that

It was a plain and simple project for a beginner to learn

I've mentioned django tons of time so i didnt mention in there

[spark cobalt]

Library Management System is already pretty intuitive on what the application does. I'd still add technologies used there.

[prisma hollow]

Ok ill include it

[spark cobalt]

You should do a review on your grammar as well. The 2nd line already having grammatical errors is a red flag.

[prisma hollow]

Ill use grammerly for that. Thanks

[near ocean]

I dont think you should bold buzzwords, theyre there for the ATS to give you a push but to a human reader they look silly and childish

[prisma hollow]

Should i bold technologies?

[near ocean]

I wouldnt bold anything except section headings

[prisma hollow]

Okay

I did that because they say they assess resumes in 10 seconds

If we bold them their attention will go there first

[spark cobalt]

It takes 10 seconds to just go through the first section. There's a lot of fluff you can remove from there

And you have quite a bit of space you can remove anyways cuz supposedly you'd also have your name, socials, phone number and address on the top as well

Like you have 3 points for analyzing data.

[vapid valve]

Mew comes to give joy

[near ocean]

This isnt the channel for that, please remove the image

[vapid valve]

@near ocean

Hey

[prisma hollow]

Ill try to reduce it by 2

[vapid valve]

@prisma hollow

[queen stirrup]

wassup guys

[spark cobalt]

Also just in general, I know you want to make things all proper nouns and capital. But it makes your resume look super inconsistent visually. Just stick to proper English grammar.

[vapid valve]

SHUT UP

[true harness]

i would probably just delete the "implemented oop concepts" thing in PSB Loans. it's really just not noteworthy

[queen stirrup]

What are your guys occupations

[prisma hollow]

Yeah i already removed it

[spark cobalt]

Your mom's husband.

[true harness]

<@&831776746206265384> oops

[still condor]

Hello @vapid valve , please stop with the nonsense

[spark cobalt]

Send the updated version.

[vapid valve]

Ok

[prisma hollow]

Ok

[vapid valve]

<@&831776746206265384>

[sudden yacht]

What?

[still condor]

Hello?

[spark cobalt]

Smh

[queen stirrup]

someone help me i need to make money

[vapid valve]

Just saying this

[spark cobalt]

Quite literally every restaurant is hiring.

[vapid valve]

Ok,so I have this idea

[queen stirrup]

big money

[spark cobalt]

Big money takes time. Can't expect to make it immediately.

[queen stirrup]

you can i made 3k in a week

[true harness]

just do that again then?

[sudden yacht]

!mute 988144522749947914 24h take a break

[inner wren]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied mute to @vapid valve until <t:1665691479:f> (1 day).

[queen stirrup]

the market as movced on

[spark cobalt]

How is this relevant to a programming-related career

[queen stirrup]

its career

[spark cobalt]

This is a bad troll. If you want to troll together, at least don't come in chat at the same time.

[queen stirrup]

<@&831776746206265384> this guys is being rude

[sudden yacht]

Who?

[queen stirrup]

wilder thinks im trolling

[spark cobalt]

Are you aiming for more backend/ML related role?

[prisma hollow]

Yeah

[still condor]

How would you describe what REST is in your own words?

[prisma hollow]

But first i am open to any python related position since i am new here

Gotta make some money to settle...

[sudden yacht]

You might be. Your contribution while I have been here hasn't been very constructive so far.

[queen stirrup]

ok ill just go

[prisma hollow]

I would describe REST as different methods over network to communicate between two systems.

I never read theory about it tho

I might be wrong

[spark cobalt]

I assume your REST knowledge is using Django's rest_framework?

[prisma hollow]

Yeah rest_framework and traditional django both

[spark cobalt]

I think for your LSB loans, for your first line you should highlight the mission of your machine learning algorithm (ex: classify spam or not, etc.) and what kind of algorithm you used (classification, etc.). It's just very vague for anyone reading it.

[prisma hollow]

Ok

I actually hesitant to write things in details about PSB loans because it was associated with gov

And things are confidential

So i dont know the limits of what i can Mention and what not i think i should contact my team lead for that.

[spark cobalt]

I don't think technologies and strategies you implemented would be considered classified. I'd write out what you'd prefer to have on there and then reach out to your team lead to read over it.

Would be good as well to have another pair of more senior eyes to look at your resume as well. So can't hurt.

[prisma hollow]

I think i can write common methods like bag of words, right?

[prisma hollow]

This sounds good tho

[kindred rock]

So... If you were to hire an intern.
What would you look at?

Should I work on filling my GitHub or write more fancy words on my resume?
:D
Cause usually I don't even make it to the interview.

[true harness]

both are important. I would caution against just fancy words, since that sorta implies you aren't adding anything useful but making it sound better (which is important, but less so than actual content). no one's gonna look at your gh if your resume isn't cool enough

[smoky quest]

Your GH profile won't matter if your resume is crap and gets you discarded at the first look

[dense mesa]

Don't write fancy words, talk about impact and adding value

[kindred rock]

Thanks, guys.
I guess I'll try to rebuild my resume again...

[smoky quest]

feel free to post an anonymized version here for feedback

[kindred rock]

Can I send the current one into dm?
Sorry for bothering too much.

[smoky quest]

just send it here. It's better to get feedback from more than one person

[inner wren]

Hey @kindred rock!

It looks like you tried to attach file type(s) that we do not allow (.pdf). We currently allow the following file types: .gif, .jpg, .jpeg, .mov, .mp4, .mpg, .png, .mp3, .wav, .ogg, .webm, .webp, .flac, .m4a, .csv, .json.

Feel free to ask in #community-meta if you think this is a mistake.

[kindred rock]

Ok. jpg it is then.
Hope it didn't go weird after all the format conversions.
Deleted my photo, name, contacts, links.
Probably I should add more text describing me.
But don't really know what to say so it would have at least some impact.

[true harness]

is that it? it looks very blank. also, say your context, e.g. what you want to apply for, what country you're in, etc

[kindred rock]

I deleted that information for the anonymization purposes.

But yeah, I should probably add more information why I want 'this' job.

[gritty rivet]

What's expected on a resume may vary by country but key for a recent graduate I expect to see relevant coursework, projects, (even if not directly relevant) work experience

[smoky quest]

it's not selling your skills at all. No mention of projects, experience, skills, etc.

[kindred rock]

Hm...
Makes sense.

Is experience that required though even for the internship?
Well... I guess so, if I didn't succeed yet.

[true harness]

not required, but beneficial if you do

[kindred rock]

Well.
I'll take your advice and come up with a better(probably) version.
:D
Thanks!

[smoky quest]

Work experience, no.
But you need to show you are worth talking to by demonstrating your skills (education, projects, internships, etc.)

[spark cobalt]

Generally not. But it's expected that you have done projects.

[smoky quest]

You could do a search on the keyword "resume" on this channel. There are a quite a few folks posting their resume and you could see what others are doing and the feedback they got

[delicate bane]

any projects to add?

[spark cobalt]

Maybe add on to programming microcontrollers in uni. Let them know what you can offer as you are rn

[summer geyser]

Didn’t get to solution in time, but interviewer said I was on the right track and he was just wanting to see my thought process.

“I’ll compare notes with your recruiter and she’ll be in touch in the next few days”

Am I ded

[spark cobalt]

No. Same thing happened to me and got job offer.

[summer geyser]

Congrats! I think I did well on the other OOP questions, just messed up the coding part of the interview so I assumed I failed lol.

[spark cobalt]

I think it's fairly common they give you a problem that they don't entirely expect you to solve. But yeah being able to fully understand a problem, know edge cases, formulate strategies, etc. even though you don't get to the optimal solution right away really got me there. Got high scores across all my technical rounds even though I don't think I ever optimally solved any of the problems.

[gritty rivet]

I've seen people follow up with an email with the solution after the fact and it can help. Not sure if that is feasible in your case but an option to consider

[summer geyser]

That’s a good idea. We talked through it after. He said another thing he wanted to see was the use of a hash map or hash set which I did (just not correctly 🤣) so there were like positive signs lol

Had the tests passed I would’ve felt good about the whole thing. Just never know if getting it wrong is going to fail you or not I guess

[gritty rivet]

Right... so I try to focus as much as I can on what I can learn for the next interview. What's done is done

[paper badge]

hey guys what are some good portfolio projects

[true harness]

1. pick something you're interested in
2. make a project in that topic
3. ???
4. get hired

[paper badge]

yeah makes sense, thanks.

[prisma hollow]

Me who actually solved all of the problems, even interviewer said your solutions are right. Boom rejected 🤡

[rapid lance]

Can someone who is bad at math learn DS, AI and ML ? Sorry if this question is already answered

[peak halo]

being "bad at math" is a mindset. you can learn math.

if you were somehow genuinely incapable of understanding math, however, you wouldn't be able to do AI/ML. but you aren't.

[rapid lance]

Thank you . I think i am gonna give it a try.

[prisma hollow]

How does it look like now?

[delicate bane]

sorry to hear that. many times you are competing with others who may solve all the problems but ALSO have a better resume. for example, they may have professional work experience in a certain tech stack that the company is using

[delicate bane]

1000% this

[spark cobalt]

Probably other things that I didn't catch:

PSB thing:

• There's a difference between efficiency and accuracy. It's likely that you didn't increase both by 12%. "How did you measure the efficiency of the regex to the ML model?".
• Can reduce the last, second to last, and fourth to last to one point. They're all analyzing data with the same technologies. No need to add so much fluff on one technology usage.
• Can combine second to last line to the first line. It's redundant.
• In general things are very very scattered. Keep things concise and organized.
• I don't think you need to mention Git...? I'm unsure, but some sort of version control system should already assumed.
• "Deployed a national platform for one of India's nationalized bank using so and so technologies" What is a national platform? It's almost like you're reintroducing the project at the very end.

In general:

• Still dozens upon dozens of grammatical errors.
• To add onto grammatical errors, lot of inconsistent capitalization. Stick to normal English grammar. Not everything has to be a proper noun.
• Google the packages you use and see how the Internet capitalizes them. For example, "Rest APIs" is not correct, same with "Oauth2". (Should be REST API, and OAuth2)

And just a question in general, typically you want your resume to include your name and other information. But your current page doesn't seem to have enough room for that. Do you plan to add that? If so, no need to liberally expand on the same topic for 4 points.

[delicate bane]

step 3: the secret sauce. also i love this meme lol

but yes, picking something youre interested in is very good advice, since it increases the likelihood you will finish the project

[prisma hollow]

Thanks for the advice, ill edit it accordingly

[spark cobalt]

It's 95% repeated across what others said earlier...

[spark cobalt]

To quote back on previous advice

[prisma hollow]

And about grammer, this time i am using grammerly ;____;

[spark cobalt]

I think it would be better if you portrayed the Django project as:

- Developed a Django rest framework to support one of India's biggest bank's housing loans
    - Increased security by implementing JWT token-based authorization.
    - Utilized AWS to do whatever you did with it. (Saying "used AWS as a Cloud service" is like, what.)
    - etc.

And then perhaps it'll be beneficial to include the size of the data, the rate of requests, etc. and how you dealt with their various issues. Since the project seems to be something of huge scale, these details are something people probably expect to see in detail.

Maybe make it more clear what your role in this was. Sounds like you did everything as an intern. But that's just me.

[prisma hollow]

Yeah actually xD

Even i think the same like wtf, i even got letter of recommendation from my team lead for that

[prisma hollow]

Ill talk about those details with my team leader

[delicate bane]

be specific about the aws services like you did in your other project

"S3" is capitalized btw

[prisma hollow]

Ill check all the capitalization ok

I used to host counter strike servers on ec2 instances, i made an image, and automated instance creation and other stages according to organisers needs using aws boto3.

For examples, lets say organiser needs 5 cs servers, so i automated the process of creating ec2 instances and starting game server in those instances.

[spark cobalt]

Just in general avoid making too many promises. Saying you made a secure REST framework is kind of 🚩. Instead say that you increased security by doing something.

[prisma hollow]

Oh ok

[spark cobalt]

Just little things like this everywhere in your resume.

Assume some villain is trying to nitpick the smallest things ever. Make everything precise with no rooms for error.

[prisma hollow]

Hmm

First ill remove the word efficiency

I will write django based backend since we didnt used DRF

[spark cobalt]

Ah, I thought you did. Then yeah do that

[prisma hollow]

Or should i just write participated in live project as main bullet then go in?

[spark cobalt]

If you were the spearhead of the project, just say that. No need to be overly humble to the point you're discounting your actual efforts

[prisma hollow]

Ok

[spark cobalt]

It just doesn't sound like something an intern would be assigned to do. But if you did, then by all means add it.

[prisma hollow]

Yeah

Ok so im writing developed django based backend to support a national platform for one of the India's biggest bank's Housing Loans.

And will will modify the last sub bullet saying the same

Nah this doesnt sound right

Ill come up with something keeping your advice in mind

[spark cobalt]

Yeah at the end of the day do what's comfortable for you.

[prisma hollow]

Anything else should i change?

[spark cobalt]

🤷

[prisma hollow]

I looked at the older version, i actually made tons of improvement thanks you guys.

[spark cobalt]

I'd just say don't try to overly compensate. Your experience as it is, is already super great. Just keep it precise and honest to what you did.

[prisma hollow]

If they could let me push my code on gh man ;____;

Do you think i can secure a job with this exp?

Because all of the posting asking for 2-3 years of work experience even for entry level jobs

[spark cobalt]

I secured with less and no degree

[prisma hollow]

Wow

[spark cobalt]

But it came with a lot of resume reworking. I've had dozens of reworks and updates done to my resume and had it reviewed by dozens of hiring managers.

[prisma hollow]

Its f*cking up my mind dont wanna imagine what you went through in job searching without a degree

[tropic echo]

I have a question, when learning how to code, in my case learning a game engine, is there like a path to like be able to make money with the skills, im not doing programming for the money but if im gonna spend alot of time on it i would like to have the option/ability to make money with it. If game dev is not the best route to take what other route should i take? (Also sorry to interrupt)

[spark cobalt]

Connections helped a lot in terms of getting resume reviewed. Maybe have family members or family friends to take a look.

Got a lot of good insight from all sorts of intelligent people.

[prisma hollow]

I dont have any connections here, i just arrived in US about 4 months ago

[spark cobalt]

Ah where did you move to?

[prisma hollow]

I am in New Jersey rn

[spark cobalt]

I moved to San Jose for job hunting as well and went to many networking events through meetup.

Ah nice

I can't attest to New Jersey, but at least in San Jose, there's nice people everywhere that's willing to spend time to help you. Super super helpful to build connections ASAP

[prisma hollow]

Does career fairs help?

[spark cobalt]

I never went to one so idk. They in theory should, since you're able to talk to a hiring manager/engineer/etc. face to face right on the spot.

[prisma hollow]

I am also keeping my grad study options open.

[spark cobalt]

In general, should go to any that you see. Building your network is probably one of the most important things to do

[prisma hollow]

But i think it would be wise for me to have job and study part time

[prisma hollow]

I dont know where to start

I dont know anyone here who's working in IT.

[spark cobalt]

Hmm, since I am high school graduate working, I do like 8 hours of work, ~4 hours of additional study for work, 2 hours for lost education for not going to college (doing econ and probability) everyday

Prior to working only real goal was to maintain positive cashflow but that was easily fixed once I got the job.

[prisma hollow]

I dont know about here but in bachelor i learned more from youtube and actually making those projects than from classrooms and faculties

[spark cobalt]

I do all my learning from books.

[prisma hollow]

I think our field doesn't require degree but i wanna do grad just to live last 2 years of uni life.

[spark cobalt]

I mean if you can get it funded then why not

[prisma hollow]

All of the things i learned, i learned it from either youtube (basics things like django and stuff) and documentations.

Documentation is really a great source if you can find what you want.

[spark cobalt]

Generally though, pretty sure 2 years of experience is huge compared to 2 years of extra college. If you can just get a job now then I don't see the point of doing 2 year of extra school unless you wanna work in a more specialized/involved field (particularly more mathematically involved fields)

[prisma hollow]

That program i mentions in which i used ml reallly motivated me to pursue data science field

[spark cobalt]

it's good, but at the same time it generally doesn't tell you optimal ways to do things or display a high level ideas behind building within a certain framework or using certain technologies.

[prisma hollow]

Like bruh 7k lines of code reduced to nearly 100.

[spark cobalt]

Math is fun 🥳

[prisma hollow]

My team lead was really great

Before that i tho why the f*ck they teach maths. But then my team lead explained how maths works in here, when there are more dimensions of data that human mind cant calculate.

[spark cobalt]

Well we can calculate it, we just can't visualize it.

[prisma hollow]

Yeah

Gn bud thank you verymuch, thank you guys for helping 😄

[hardy ocean]

yo is it ok to just apply to jobs that interest me even im not confident/underqualified just like a practice or experience for interviews?

[spark cobalt]

If they give you an interview, they definitely looked at your resume. At that point don't disqualify yourself. They think based on your resume you're good enough. They already qualified you for the role essentially.

[hardy ocean]

i see some job posts that has minimal requirements like atleast you know a/some programming languages and you are willing to learn
i think yeah i know programming so i can consider myself qualified?
also does those type of requirements mean they gonna provide training or something?

[dense mesa]

If they think you need additional training on something that's already a requirement, they just won't hire

[spark cobalt]

#career-advice message Read this.

Wait can just send image

They already read your resume. It would be a red flag interview if they expect you to know something that's not on your resume whatsoever

So with your current experience on your resume, if they think your lack of knowledge is ok on some parts and push you to the next round, don't disqualify yourself.

[spark cobalt]

By the way, nothing ethically wrong with this. They're looking for the best candidate themselves too.

[hardy ocean]

wow this enlightens me

[hardy ocean]

maybe ill just keep applying ideal positions and see the results 😅

[spark cobalt]

Worst thing they can say is no :/

[hardy ocean]

btw another question for example i tried to apply on job A and got rejected and then i improved my skills can i apply to job A again?

[spark cobalt]

Absolutely.

[hardy ocean]

i see nicenice thank you sir 🫡

[sonic agate]

I'll be switching my current intern (DL/CV Research) to an MLOps role(ML) next month.

I was wondering...
Will it look good on my resume?
I mean, I'll be switching from DL to Simpler ML.
but at the same time, I'm adding more horizontal skills

(The pay is same)

[gritty rivet]

It depends what roles you will be looking for

[sonic agate]

According to my interests.
If I see it right, the next role I'll be looking for will be CV based, more in the engineering side.

[buoyant seal]

Uh. MPLOps Are u willing to dive into infrastructure as a code automating tools, and deeply into one of big cloud providers?

[sonic agate]

TBH!
I initially didn't wanted to.
But I suppose, I can give it a try.

[buoyant seal]

Technically DevOps is fun. Well at least for me. I am only hesitating regarding MLOps, because...
My quallifications are Backend + DevOps

while MLOps will expect me knowing some data engineering in addition i suspect, + potentially there could be need in servers with videocards which is kind of more expensive

the point of DevOps is having essentially software engineer that knows server side software + can add all the necessary infra stuff for its automatation.
in MLOps to satisfy first criteria i suspect data engineering awareneess will be expected from person because of that

[sonic agate]

I'm from ML background and I'm comfortable with backend and a little azure

This may turn out to be a great xp.

[sonic agate]

My job doesn't require gpu.
So won't be an issue for me.

[buoyant seal]

oh well, so u a going to learn mostly DevOps side then

[buoyant seal]

It will be a great start with learning Docker 😉 at least if did not use it before already
for prerequisuite u could be willing also starting using Linux as main OS. Linux understanding is required
https://learning.oreilly.com/library/cover/9781800565135/250w/

[sonic agate]

Thanks man.
Will see Dockers...

I'm using macos, but i also use pi a lot for automation and stuff through ssh.

[summer geyser]

They called and I moved onto the next interview

[near ocean]

Congrats

See its not about writing down a solution, its never like that in the workplace
They want to see how you communicate your ideas, whether you understand rhe problem and the edge cases and whether you explaining it to others might help you or the others find the solution

[summer geyser]

I’m really glad. I think I fell into the Reddit trap of omg I didn’t leet code right I’m screwed lol. I also read a thing where you focus on the bad but forget that I got the other 4-5 technical questions correct too

[remote crater]

https://youtu.be/rDrDZFtLBNs
Is this true? You need to be an expert in something else as well to get a job involving Python, unless it's web development?

[gilded valley]

Not watched the video, but that's largely true, yeah

[remote crater]

What if you're horrible at making things aesthetically pleasing?

Do they always make you do that part of web design too?

[gilded valley]

This seems like somewhat of a non-sequitur question. Why are you stuck only knowing python?

[remote crater]

I ask that in reference to making good looking web pages

[gilded valley]

It depends on who "they" is. But no, for backend web development you don't need to interact with the front end at all

[buoyant seal]

yes, and web development is quite deep topic as well https://www.fullstackpython.com/
https://raw.githubusercontent.com/darklab8/darklab_backend_roadmap/master/swe_backend.drawio.svg
https://roadmap.sh/backend
https://roadmap.sh/frontend
https://roadmap.sh/devops
https://roadmap.sh/qa
https://roadmap.sh/postgresql-dba
https://roadmap.sh/software-architect

python is just a stratch in it, like in any other field
https://raw.githubusercontent.com/darklab8/darklab_backend_roadmap/master/swe_backend.drawio.svg as u can see from the map percentage of light purpule python specific skills is small
even if u are hired as Python Developer

[remote crater]

So there are exclusively backend web developers?

[gilded valley]

Yes. But again, why are you stuck not being able to learn another language?

[buoyant seal]

in regards to web development, python is mainly used for backend development. But it is also used for devops engineering.
And also used for QA testing
and in some cases of lower quality it can be frontend too to some degree (sufficient to freelancers at least), we could say it is more full-stack low quality case than real frontend

[remote crater]

I know some JS, some Java, and a little bit of C and C++

[gilded valley]

Then there are plenty of jobs in those languages that don't involve web design, so I'd suggest not focusing overly much on the language

[near ocean]

You dont need to be an expert no, if we all waited till we were experts before finding jobs we'd die in the streets

[buoyant seal]

Java is fine for web backend development and for android development (and oh well, desktop stuff is still made too in java)
C/C++ = desktop development and embdeded/arduino development at least

[gilded valley]

C/C++ are used for general systems programming, far more than just desktop or embedded development

[gritty rivet]

Also didn't watch the video. Python is the only language I know reasonably well and it's the main skill I use for my job. This isn't necessarily normal but such jobs do exist

[remote crater]

You need to know networking to do any of this?

[gilded valley]

what is your job?

[gritty rivet]

I build API integrations for banks

[gilded valley]

As in writing the APIs, or consuming them on behalf of some bank customer?

or writing wrappers around the APIs?

[gritty rivet]

The startup I work for sells a platform on a SaaS basis to the banks. The banks can build their.own integrations if they want to, or they can hire us to do it using that platform. So I'm writing snippets of Python within that platform to transform the data according to the banks requirements

[gritty rivet]

So kind of that I guess

I saw someone say that 80% of software engineering is getting one janky API to work with another. That's certainly what I do anyway

[gilded valley]

ah - interesting, seems like a solid job and definitely an example of something where Python is the main skill

[final hemlock]

What I have found as far as listing skills and programming languages is that the why is far more important that the what. For example what drew you to use these languages - maybe it simply being a good fit for whatever project you were assigned. Showing the employer your thought process not only helps them get an idea of how compatible you would be with the company, but it makes the resume far more memorable.

IMO Your work experience is best mentioned last, really only there to act as a way for employers to verify the resume isn't BS by calling them and to have someone to contact to vouch for your character and values, not to demonstrate capabilities to perform in whatever role you are applying for.

If you won first place, put that shit in bold at the top of resume :D. then start demonstrating via projects and via actual paragraphs telling them in technical terms your thought process. quick example you could say you have a demonstrated an understanding of lower level coding concepts, then give the sorting algorithm to back that statement up. keep the story flowing in a similar manner throughout. make them see why you won LOL.

[gritty rivet]

Totally... but to advance to the next level of engineering in the company and work on the platform itself, I would need JS

[remote crater]

If you know python then JavaScript probably wouldn't be very hard to learn for you

[true harness]

say you have a demonstrated an understanding of lower level coding concepts
this is just too "fluffly", i don't have enough space. imo, saying the thing that did the demonstrating is enough to say that i understand the concepts
For example what drew you to use these languages
i thought this would be less important to what i actually did in the project. i don't see how it would be more memorable

also, what are your qualifications? are you a hiring manager, software engineer, ...?

[gilded wedge]

yo guys what do you think should i mention my 1 year drop in resume
or just not mention it at all

[final hemlock]

I an a software engineer, currently not working for any company, but doing freelance 3d design with three.js (javascript library).

Where I am coming from is just someone who used to write resumes listing skills that were better than what was required, but started getting advice similar to above from people after I started getting resume coaching. I tried it an learned more about it on my own, and started getting results

[gritty rivet]

True, I'm leaning more towards DevOps personally so I haven't pursued JS.

Either way, Python can get you started but it's not going to keep you going on its own 😉

[buoyant seal]

knowing networking at least at some basic level is necessary for any type of dev in web dev
a bit more deep level is preferable eventually for System administrators/DevOps engineers (because they configure them)

[gritty rivet]

I'm not sure there's a good way to address it in a resume, but be prepared to explain it in an interview for sure

[remote crater]

I tried to take some networking classes, where you learn to configure routers and stuff, and it was too hard...

[gilded wedge]

yes i am thinking to not mention it in it

[buoyant seal]

i am planning to refresh my networking knowledge with some O'reilly book while playing with network simulators after that.
when u do self education u can see reviews for materials and to choose best learning materials easy to understand.

[gilded wedge]

is it nessary to use WORD to make my resume

can i just use figma or any vector design software?

[buoyant seal]

i used figma too for resume xD

[buoyant seal]

it does not matter what u use, as long as u can export end result into copy/selectable text pdf after that

[gilded wedge]

xD
word is lacking features

[buoyant seal]

Also, while it is possible to enter without degree web development, it is way easier to enter it with CS degree. Because competion is high, even just among graduated CS people. Market can more believe that u a... promising investment if u have some sort of STEM degree at least.
Juniors are often an investment until they reach necessary independency/experience to give value.

any type of web development highly benefits from Software Engineering education. Which is quite long and deep topic (all green squares are Software Engineering related in my map)
https://github.com/darklab8/darklab_backend_roadmap/blob/master/swe_backend.drawio.svg

Consider Software Engineering being that thing that needs to be present in order to shine in web dev (well at least it is necessary if person wishes to reach Middle/Senior rank in it)
like u need Math/University stuff for Data Science

[near ocean]

Its a cv, not a landing page
Should be simple, clean, to the point

[prisma hollow]

What do you guys think about consultancy and staffing companies?

[buoyant seal]

u mean, developers for hire companies?

[spark cobalt]

Some are okay, but there's a lot of scam ones as well.

[prisma hollow]

I get lot of calls from them

[prisma hollow]

Nope like you train under them they revise your resume and market them

[spark cobalt]

Ones that are scams would be things like GenSpark, Beaconfire, Revature, Pyramid Consulting, etc.

Avoid the ones that want to put you in a training beforehand or something similar.

[spark cobalt]

Yes avoid them.

[buoyant seal]

ah, the courses/ online courses stuff
Well, in my country one of companies published conversion rate 🙂 22 succesfully graduated IT people... out of 500 entries

[spark cobalt]

Beaconfire does that and they pretty much just resort to lying on the resume.

[prisma hollow]

Yeah all of them lie in resume

They literally add 3-5 years of fake exp

[spark cobalt]

Yep

[prisma hollow]

Have anyone read 2HJS?

[spark cobalt]

Recruiters benefit from putting people to jobs where they are able to stay for a while. Any recruiter trying to do any more than matchmaking you to a job is immediate red flag.

[prisma hollow]

Where can i find those recruiters?

[spark cobalt]

Call local recruiters first.

[prisma hollow]

LinkedIn?

[spark cobalt]

That's a good place too. If you're applying for jobs, recruiters will generally get wind.

[gilded wedge]

guys any tips to start career
as i got no industrial experience, looking for internships
but most of companies are looking for web devs and i am new to web dev

[spark cobalt]

When I applied for jobs, I do like 50-100 a week and I get a 5-10 calls everyday from recruiters.

[vapid jay]

Hi

I am also looking for internships

[spark cobalt]

I kind of did the more hack way of applying jobs. Where I just inject my resume across like 10 different sites.

[gilded wedge]

mate if you find internship share with me too

[spark cobalt]

Are you guys looking for internship as college students?

[vapid jay]

No I am not yet in college

[gilded wedge]

i am in university right now

[spark cobalt]

Ah so you're kinda like me. I graduated high school 4 months ago and I work as SWE intern w/o doing college.

[gilded wedge]

cool
what post you working on?

[vapid jay]

My parents don't have money for college but i want to work to pay for my studies and i heard that internships is the way to secure a job

[gilded wedge]

they are but not directly
its an indirect way to gain experience which will help you learn and later make it easier to get into a full time

[spark cobalt]

None in particular. It's 6 month internship then a move on to full time. They want to get my feet wet everywhere before sticking me in some slot.

[spark cobalt]

4 YOE is huge compared to a degree. If you get a job right off the bat just stick to working...

[gilded wedge]

ayo how you got it?
i mean from where you applied it

[prisma hollow]

Some internship might give you offerletter if you had good performance. They might think that why should they hire someone and train them when they have a person who's already train in their environment.

[lone crater]

I read the rules and number 9 says not to offer paid work. If I'm a recruiter, can I post positions here? Is there a better place to do it? My client is a well funded start-up in San Francisco and the positions are remote. UP to 7 back-end Python developers needed.

[spark cobalt]

I didn't apply to intern role. The role itself required bachelor's and the company generally only hire masters to begin with. But because of my situation we settled for this.

[spark cobalt]

I'm sorry what 💀

[edgy barn]

hello, could someone pls tell me whats best way to go from python biggenner level to advance?
Iv tried solving leetcodes and hackerrank problems , but i dont think that it is helping me much when it comes to a company requirements learning. I think that developing projects could help alot in it? If you agree, could u please let me know some projects that could help me go from Beginner to expert level or atleast have a productive learning on the today's needs.
If someone is willing to collab in projects, i am willing to do it too.
thanks alot

[gilded wedge]

how you reached that company

[spark cobalt]

I applied to over 3000 jobs.

In other words, I have no clue.

[edgy barn]

@prisma hollow 👀

[prisma hollow]

I have the same question

[spark cobalt]

Step out of your comfortable zone and just code. Stop relying on YouTube tutorials to "code" (or what I like to call copying).

[gilded wedge]

i get that point but i am asking how you applied to them

[prisma hollow]

I did hackerranks aswell and had internship exp i wanna learn more!

[edgy barn]

but i dont follow youtube tutorials, i meant like project name suggestions

[bold nymph]

hey guys! i have a question for you. first, i am a student at collage and my major is cs. i barely chose my career plan and i want to learn and work about ai,dl,ml but i am in a dilemma actualy. this year is my first year in this major. but i learnt python and c#. i am not a master i know. and my question Is it too early to head to these topics(ml,ai...)(if you good at ai,ml... i want to meet and talk. thanks)

[prisma hollow]

There was a link above wait ill go through it

[spark cobalt]

A lot online. I walked in on companies in person. Did a lot of in person networking which gave me access to jobs that weren't on the market yet, etc.

[gilded wedge]

aah got it

[edgy barn]

where 🥺

[spark cobalt]

Online is super easy, but at the same time, it's also easy for your competitors.

[prisma hollow]

Check this out, this might help you for project selection

[spark cobalt]

I moved to San Jose last month, prior to finding any jobs. Pretty much aiming to be in the place where things happen.

I don't think those are project ideas.

[edgy barn]

they are projects for contribution i think

[prisma hollow]

But you can get ideas from it right?

[spark cobalt]

Not really. But it's definitely something worth doing somewhere down the line...

[prisma hollow]

What do you want to pursue? Web development or data science?

If data science then you can go on kaggle

[spark cobalt]

Kaggle competitions are scam. Everyone overfit. 😂

[prisma hollow]

wew

[spark cobalt]

Kaggle a good tool, but they don't offer many resources for learning DS

[prisma hollow]

Btw adding kaggle certificate on LinkedIn has any worth?

[green basin]

hard question 🙂

[spark cobalt]

You mean for their courses? Aren't they very elementary

[prisma hollow]

Yeah but i learned basics there for my task

[spark cobalt]

You already have intern experience you're fine.

Unless that certificate is for something none of your past experience covered, and the job you're applying wants some of that knowledge, then sure put it on

[prisma hollow]

Yn, I took out it intern tag from position because i didnt want them to feel I'm bluffing

Do they count internship as work experience? I have read on many job forms they want work experience excluding internships

[edgy barn]

web development

[prisma hollow]

Coming up with project ideas for web dev is kinda hard for me cuz you gotta think out of the box

My first project was literally Library management system 🤡

[edgy barn]

how bout any project , but it has to be something that matters, instead of a thing that is of no use to the today's requirement.

[prisma hollow]

I think experienced folks might help you with that more since they know what is in the trend.

[edgy barn]

do i ask in general channel or will this channel work? 😅

[gilded wedge]

wait how to make resume if you got no experience
what is point of resume?
i got no work experience
what should i add in resume?

[prisma hollow]

I guess there is channel for web development

[edgy barn]

u have to mention ur projects that u worked on during ur college or BS degree

[gritty rivet]

Education, projects, even non-relevant work experience can be worth including

[edgy barn]

if u dont have a professional industrial experience

[gilded wedge]

🤡
I have no proof of those project
do i have to collect some proof first

[edgy barn]

If you have the code, just drop it in github, and share link, if you dont have the projects, im afraid you might have to write down the project description and what u did in there , which techno you used, in resume/ do the projects or maybe if you apply for an internship, they might accept you.

[gilded wedge]

i am making resume for internship

i think i will just mention my projects for now
and start doing some open source projects
this time i am going to save them

my dumb ass didn't knew about github when i made those

[edgy barn]

yea , thats better

[gilded wedge]

at least some of latest projects are still on github

any idea how to get into opensource?

[prisma hollow]

I didn't include my first project on gh either

Are you in india rn?

[gilded wedge]

yep

[prisma hollow]

Try to get some internal referral

[gilded wedge]

i got some but i was trying to get my first internship without referrals

[prisma hollow]

I got my internship by that way, pehchan lagao ho to

Trust me everyone do that dont think its moralless

It's better using your connections for the job you want rather than getting frustrated in job search and settle

[gilded wedge]

yep i know that, i was just trying to test myself in this case
will try these two months and afterwards will see referrals

[prisma hollow]

But make sure the company should be good enough

[gilded wedge]

agree

[prisma hollow]

Online job search is like a lottery

When it comes to India where competition is too much. You gotta take some other route.

[gilded wedge]

agree at max

[prisma hollow]

Just make sure company good enough

And can improve your overall profile.

Go for placement cell in your clg aswell

[gilded wedge]

btw do my current course also affect much
like i dropped btech
because my college was a shit (it was a mid tire college but it was like 12 hr college to me)
so now i am doing bca from local university which provide me a lot of time

[prisma hollow]

If you have enough skills it wont

You gotta work hard to get interview tho.

[gilded wedge]

i started programming 4 years ago

[prisma hollow]

Put everything you can in youre reume

[gilded wedge]

but when it came to internships, they are only web dev internships 💀 online

[prisma hollow]

It was in lockdown

My colleague in my internship had similar situation youre in. He dropped out from btech did bca and then he took job

[gilded wedge]

yes but my college was not in lockdown

[gilded wedge]

that is great, what happend next? like what is his current status

[prisma hollow]

But he did some certifications.

[gilded wedge]

gonna do same
btw what kind of job is he doing

[prisma hollow]

He left his first job because company was shitty, and then he joined the company and still working there

Position is in Innovations Engineer, but it was more like python backend

And data analysis.

[gilded wedge]

can you tell what kind of package he have right now
so i can understand better

that is really cool
i am in first sem right now, going to do my best

[prisma hollow]

He told me he was completely novice and got his job by having SQL and linux knowledge

Tho his linux and sql are solid af.

Maybe he had done redhat certification or similar

I would just delete that salary msg tho

[vapid jay]

Can i send a long text called job description

[prisma hollow]

Company you're trying to might affect as well, since when he applied, company was relatively new like 5 years or something old.

[gritty rivet]

For what purpose?

[vapid jay]

i want to discuss about it, like questions and other important tips which will help in the interview you know

[gilded wedge]

idk I am thinking BCA can be a problem for refferals what you think?

[prisma hollow]

Nah

[gritty rivet]

!paste

[inner wren]

Pasting large amounts of code

If your code is too long to fit in a codeblock in Discord, you can paste your code here:
https://paste.pythondiscord.com/

After pasting your code, save it by clicking the floppy disk icon in the top right, or by typing ctrl + S. After doing that, the URL should change. Copy the URL and post it here so others can see it.

[gritty rivet]

Sure, if it's really long use that ^^^

[vapid jay]

Job Description :

We are looking for a Software Engineer who is passionate about building web applications and tools with Python.

What you will be doing :

- Design, develop, test, deploy, maintain and improve software

- Write maintainable, clean code and enforce it through code reviews.

- Manage individual project priorities, deadlines and deliverables

What We Need To See :

- 2+ years experience in building web applications with Python

- Proficient understanding of web markup, including HTML5, CSS3

- Strong expertise in client-side scripting and JavaScript frameworks, including jQuery

- Good understanding of asynchronous request handling, partial page updates, and AJAX

- Proficiency in Python

- Exposure to python's web frameworks like flask, Django

- Elementary understanding of Linux is a prerequisite

- Good analytical and debugging skills

- Creative approach to problem solving, be adaptable, proactive, and willing to take ownership.

Ways To Stand Out From The Crowd :

- Knowledge of data transmission methodologies and protocols (eg. XML JSON) and web services like REST

- Proficiency with SCM, especially Git, is a plus,

- Experience working with Docker based development and deployment environment

- Knowledge of CI systems like Jenkins

- Proven aptitude for learning new technologies.

[prisma hollow]

Degrees in our field is just for getting interview easily, that's what i think.

Your skills are what lands you a job.

[gilded wedge]

i think same

[vapid jay]

can anyone please tell me which of these skills are common to get a job just in case if i fail this interview i would have a chance to get job in another company, it will be my first ever interview so yeah i will mess uo cuz im scared of talking to people

[gritty rivet]

This looks pretty standard for a web dev job where Python is part of the stack. If you have those skills there should be a lot of jobs you can apply for

[gritty rivet]

Also, looking at a job interview as practice and a learning experience is the right idea. Do your best and the rest is out of your hands until next time. It doesn't matter if you feel great or terrible about your performance because you just never know what they may decide either way

[vapid jay]

Thats amazing! but can you give me more other stuff,like another language other than python so i can learn more and im planning to make mobile games/apps in future so yeah and im into AI a lot too, i always experiment with my code and add fun features to make it a more learning and fun experience,I just really love coding i want to do more than just get a job, yk like make apps and games and stuff

i really dream of one day being able to create those text to ai generated image thing on my own

[spark cobalt]

As solo dev maybe consider cross platform frameworks like React Native and Flutter.

[gritty rivet]

It almost doesn't matter what you learn as long as you keep learning. Of course you should keep an eye on the job market in order to understand what's hot and what's not but the more important part is just that you do whatever is most interesting to you so you'll stay engaged and keep gradually adding to your skills

[vapid jay]

thank you so much for motivating me and giving me great advice 👍 I really appreciate it!

[gritty rivet]

Good luck 🙂

[dense mesa]

Then webdev isn't the way to go about it surely?

[vapid jay]

i mean its easier to learn, i understand that concept easily and i need a job so thats why im leaning it so i can atleast have a job and after that i can learn when i get free time

[dense mesa]

Depends what level you want to learn it too. To just use it on a surface level doesn't require much, to actually program it would take a lot of specialist knowledge

[vapid jay]

yes i know,i know its gonna be hard, but i can still try tho, its better to atleast try than just giving up without trying at all, i just challenge and force myself a lot into improving ,it just makes me feel proud of myself

[dense mesa]

Just don't force yourself too much 🙂

[gilded valley]

honestly web dev skills are almost entirely irrelevant if your goal is to be doing advanced deep learning stuff, it's kind of like saying "I want to be the world's fastest race car driver, so I'm going to go for a jog"

[sharp thunder]

Hi everyone, I’m a junior system admin here and have been working on python projects for months now and placing them in my GitHub account. I don’t have work experience in python but I do in PowerShell and bits of sql and system work. What would be the best way to eventually land a job in a junior role in python? I really don’t mind any junior python role at all, I really just need work experience.

[bold nymph]

hey guys! i have a question for you. first, i am a student at collage and my major is cs. i barely chose my career plan and i want to learn and work about ai,dl,ml but i am in a dilemma actualy. this year is my first year in this major. but i learnt python and c#. i am not a master i know. and my question Is it too early to head to these topics(ml,ai...)(if you good at ai,ml... i want to meet and talk. thanks)

[spark cobalt]

Anyone have that pathway URL

[peak halo]

and my question Is it too early to head to these topics(ml,ai...)(if you good at ai,ml... i want to meet and talk. thanks)
AI/ML is mostly about math, so try to take courses in probability, statistics, calculus, and linear algebra. and then take AI-specific courses.

[desert prairie]

Can somebody help with job? Working with python for 1,5 years, mostly developed bots (automarization of business process) and the last 5 months work with Django + Postgresql. Maybe someone have something in mind for me? Will appreciate any help.

[peak halo]

!rule 9

[inner wren]

Rules

9. Do not offer or ask for paid work of any kind.

[desert prairie]

Oops, sorry, didn't mentioned

[gritty rivet]

Start applying for jobs, or at the very least looking for the jobs you want to apply for, while you continue to build up your skills . If you need resume feedback you can anonymize it and share it in this channel.

[vapid valve]

Hello

[white basin]

https://github.com/FMCalisto

[acoustic swan]

does anyone know any websites i can use to create a good coding portfolio?

[smoky quest]

What about it?

[smoky quest]

Most static site generators will have some nice templates

[acoustic swan]

hosting-wise

[smoky quest]

gitlab/github/netlify provide free hosting

[acoustic swan]

oh github does? i didn't know that

[smoky quest]

if you want to be fancy, you can buy your own domain name and attach it to it

[acoustic swan]

found the github hosting, tysm

[vapid jay]

People who got their first corporate part-time job/internship/co-op while in uni without previous experience, how did you land the job?

I'm a bachelor's CS student currently in my 3rd year. I was going through non-CS job openings like marketing, CRM and business development and was wondering how I can land such a job without previous experience in those fields. FYI, I just have 3 months of unpaid summer internship experience at a robotics educational organization so far.

Any help would be appreciated. Thanks! (ping when replying)

[gilded valley]

Applied on job boards, went through the process

[vapid jay]

oh thanks!

[spark cobalt]

Standard online applications

[gilded valley]

Make sure you have an ok CV, and practice leetcode a bit to try and pass coding tests

[vapid jay]

thanks for the tips!

[spark cobalt]

Sell your experience through projects you've done.

[ashen parrot]

Hey

I am New here in this server

@ashen parrot

[gritty rivet]

#welcome this is the career channel, you might want #python-discussion

[ashen parrot]

Ohk, Yeah I just explored, Thanks! what we gonna discuss in this channel ?

[gritty rivet]

In this channel you can ask career questions, get feedback on your resume, etc

[ashen parrot]

Ok

How many members are there in this thread ?

[dense mesa]

You can see how many people are in the server in the server info, but this isn't representative of active members

[woeful sluice]

I am very nearly done with the beginner python course on codecademy and am looking to move into machine learning with my next step. I was considering following this course: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPYj3fFJGjk I am very interested in neural nets and creating bots/automation, as an artist I am also very interested in stable diffusion. I would really appreciate advice from someone that has experience in machine learning as I know next to nothing at the moment. Feel free to dm me at any time.

[random berry]

hi

[oblique garden]

Hey.

Data analyst here!

Looking to upskill myself with Python. I have a bit of experience with Golang, and obviously SQL. I don't need to learn it but kind of want more tools in my arsenal.

From personal experience, 0-hero, what's the best Youtube resource for learning Python?
Similarly, I'm looking to learn Selenium. Any good 0-hero Youtube resources for that, too?

[dense mesa]

In how much depth do you want to learn about "AI" in general? Machine learning, neural networks and stable diffusion are all different

[woeful sluice]

my current interests with ai are automation using image recognition to create bots that automate/assist with various tasks and to utilize stable diffusion

I dont actually know alot about ai, there are probably other things that I dont know of that I would likewise be interested in. I eventually want to work as a developer and if I soley ended up in the field of ai, I don't think I'd be disappointed

[dense mesa]

What is your current level of knowledge and experience? What do you understand working in "the field of ai" to mean? What problems would the automation solve?

[woeful sluice]

I dmed you, I've been told discord has a policy against automation of games

[dense mesa]

Please just message here, not via DM 🙂

[woeful sluice]

sure, I currently wish to create neural net aimbots for gaming and bots to perform automation for things like gaming or analyzing marketplaces. I'm currently just looking to grow my skills as a developer learning to create things that align with my interests
My current level of knowledge with python is just the basic syntax and OOP
https://pastebin.com/W3VKh6dV this is one of the most advanced things I've created so far. That was for a challenge. I can do a slightly better job with OOP, I can create dictionaries, clean up data, just the very fundamentals.

[buoyant seal]

it is ethically/moral careful topic regarding automating games
creating cheats which break game mechanics completely, through having automatic aim of guns to enemies? Yes, it is definitely malicious. Although if game has single player only and no online interactions at all including for dashboard, then technically it is not almost, because u a affecting only your own gameplay, which is ehtically correct to do.
Applying data science/programming tools to analyze available data and draw conclusions out of it? Technically it is just augmentation of its posibilities and ethically correct, as long as... u aren't doing harm to game server infrastructure for more than one person usage in combination of all your application usages

Each basically usage case is kind of unique to decide if it is ethical or not.
Usually if u use this knowledge to yourself only, without distributing application to other hands... it should be ehtical. Give others only results
Ergh. it is kind of intersecting with rules regarding web scrapping. They are described in Python Web Scrapping book at the last chapter

[dense mesa]

Not that I'm endorsing it, but "neural networks" won't really work for either of those applications

[woeful sluice]

neural network aimbots literally supercede anticheat because they can be trained to enhance mouse movement rather than kernel injection. they would 1000% work

[true harness]

does not prevent you from being banned by manual review

[buoyant seal]

Well. if u a Google which received approval for that, it is allowed: AlphaStar neural network played for them in Starcraft 2. Including winning against best players in the world. Literally best, the first one at the top Serral was defeated by AlphaStar 😄

[gusty night]

Hi everyone, I just started my career into learning Python and Cybersecurity

I was wondering if I should learn from a Mastering course or a Basics Course?

[woeful sluice]

my entire question was about where to start with ai, I really dont need someone trying to poke holes in something entirely irrelevant

[buoyant seal]

it is ok if u will try automating single player games xD even minecraft speedruns were neural networked

[woeful sluice]

if you don't have any constructive information on where to start please stop replying with ethics critiques

[buoyant seal]

https://www.kaggle.com/ tutorials like: Handwritten symbols/digits recognition challenge is a good place to start

all data is already prepared. U a guided with tutorials to achieve result

[woeful sluice]

thank you.

[buoyant seal]

https://www.kaggle.com/code/yassineghouzam/introduction-to-cnn-keras-0-997-top-6
https://www.kaggle.com/code/yeogaa/handwritten-character-recognition-using-keras

somewhere it should be defined in the form of a challenge

[dense mesa]

Ok 🙂

[jagged forge]

Hmm this is a career channel tho. Also, why are there people interested in ethically dubious stuff? (Retorical question )

[dense mesa]

The conversation finished, it was more trying to give someone an understanding that they need to look into something a lot more

[delicate bane]

we picked a candidate, but i think they probably have multiple offers and will end up not picking us for their internship

also the intern candidates with actual work experience are definitely a tier above the candidates without

maybe even 2 tiers above

[pseudo crater]

Does anyone know of any good resources for finding part-time jobs for students? I've looked on LinkedIn, Indeed, and I've contacted my school's career counselor, but I could not find very much.

[reef wyvern]

hello i need help? I wanted my loop to return to the beginning of the code every time it ends can someone help me

[delicate bane]

hello, you are looking for #❓｜how-to-get-help

[worthy knoll]

use continue instead of break

[reef wyvern]

Yes

[reef wyvern]

if I do it this way it goes into an infinite loop of the result

[worthy knoll]

why did u use "valor" with while

ure code is somewhat unlogical

[tidal granite]

you need to set a condition for your while loop

[vocal stirrup]

you will want to add some sort of criteria to the while loop (i.e. while valor < 10) otherwise it is going to run endlessly or just once depending on if you use a break

[tidal granite]

saying 'while valor:' is treating it as 'while valor == True:' when valor is an int not a bool.

[true harness]

what kind of jobs are you looking for? there won't be many part time programming jobs

[buoyant seal]

If u would have copied code as text, I would have shown how to fix it

while valor:= int(input... Blabla what u seek essentially. Then value will be requested at each iteration
And remove break

0 will serve as exit due to its nature being equal to false

[dense mesa]

Maybe we should stop helping someone with code in #career-advice ?

[buoyant seal]

just kidding

[marsh crystal]

I am an international student in the US. Can someone share their experience in finding full time positions as an international student? Thank you!

[prime drift]

I have a data entry job, i want to one day become a data analysis. is their any recommendations for how to get there and if data entry would have any help

[gritty rivet]

Find projects that interest you and develop your skills that way. Document your projects online and put them on your resume. You can look at lists like this one to get some ideas. The topics of your projects can be absolutely anything that interests you and isn't NSFW. Do whatever keeps you engaged in developing your skills
https://www.coursera.org/articles/data-analytics-projects-for-beginners

[thorn swan]

If you're planning on doing a BCA you'll pretty much mandatoriily have to do do an MCA or MS afterwards for a good job

[prime drift]

Oh, i'm not new to data analytics i just was asking what would be the best way to obtain a job with the position i am currently in. but thank you for the link i will still read into the projects hoping i will learn something new

[gritty rivet]

In that case, the best way to obtain a job is to apply for jobs 🙂 If you see opportunities in your current company that's great, but you'll very likely need to move elsewhere

[pseudo crater]

A part-time remote programming job that I could work as a student. I know Python, HTML, CSS, and C++. I’m also open to jobs that require C#. Are there any good ways of looking for such a job?

[buoyant seal]

i can claim that in my origin country it was easy to find part time job as system administrator/computer support (install OS, fix printer to work, help with programms, little automating scripts, relaunch Samba, recover Linux servers if they fell down xD)
it was totally part time and super lower entry requirements.
In fact i got it in same university i was studying, really convinient, having your own office at the same floor where u need to study

In fact i was hired right after answered yes, i can reinstall Windows 🙂

[still condor]

and then someone like me has to maintain those cursed scripts 2 years later 🥴

[pseudo crater]

I am looking for a professional programming job, but something like this at my school may be my only option. Thank you for the suggestion.

[true harness]

get lucky? ask parents to ask friends? like i said. not many people are looking for part time programmers. have you looked for internships? also, what's your situation, e.g. what country, how old are you, etc

[still condor]

i'm updating my resume right now. What's a good way of listing stuff I've worked with? I could say I really "know well" very few technologies, but I have superficial knowledge of a considerable list.
In other words, I'm very one-dimensional. Like, Python is my home and everything else is dark and spooky. Not sure what to do with that flaw.

[dreamy shadow]

Boss is leaving for another company, time to brush off my resume and apply again.

[buoyant seal]

probably someone will stay STAR

[dreamy shadow]

Best way is to list projects and what's your impact.

[still condor]

Whenever I try to add something to the list, like say, PostgreSQL, I play this scenario from an interview in my head:
"-- so it says here you've worked with PostgreSQL. could you list what index types Postgres has? How do they differ and how are they implemented?"
"-- uhhhh"
"-- what a clown, you don't know shit"

[dreamy shadow]

No, SQL is more of: "How would you do this query?"

[pseudo crater]

US, 18, freshman. I’ve looked at internships, but they are mostly summer and full-time. I’ve reached out to a ton of people at my school, but they haven’t really helped much. Not many people in my local circles have the same interests as me so I can’t really receive much advise. My father knows a recruiter for this type of stuff, he could reach out to him, that’s about my last option. I wanted to know if there was a good online resource to find programming jobs that would meet my specific needs.

[dreamy shadow]

No one's going to ask you the difference between PostgrelSQL and some other flavor of SQL. If they do, keep looking.

[still condor]

yeah SQL itself doesn't define many operational semantics

but like... I very rarely use its more complex features

[dreamy shadow]

There's only a few things you need to know from SQL, maybe including CTE and Window functions from time to time.

[still condor]

I don't even know what window functions are

[dreamy shadow]

So learn it

[still condor]

I tried understanding it but I might be just a little bit too stupid for that 🙂

[dreamy shadow]

Have your dad reach out. Having connections helps get you in the door. No shame in that. Also, are you looking for a part time internship or what?

[still condor]

Well, I have quite a limited work experience. I can list some freelance projects, but not others. Apart from that, I worked full-time at a single company for a year. I can't really share projects I worked on there because that's under NDA. Not sure how to escape that.

[dreamy shadow]

NDA covers more about specifics and technologies. You can still talk about a 50,000 foot level of what it's for.

[pseudo crater]

I would just like some professional experience, since I am really eager to work something related to programming. Thank you all for your help.

[dreamy shadow]

Internships are the starting point of gaining professional experience. You can look for programming internships. My last company had the poor intern convert python 2.x to python 3.x

Man, some people gotta update their linkedin picture. My new manager's picture's like 20 years difference. Jesus

[still condor]

I looked way better 20 years ago...

[dreamy shadow]

I really hate job applications. Soul sucking.

[still condor]

I hate working on my CV because it involves a lot of self-reflection

and that usually has horrible consequences because of my personality defects

you know, all true paradoxes arise from self-reference and negation

[dreamy shadow]

maybe I should hire a resume writer to help with mine

[still condor]

then you'll have to write a job posting 😄

[still condor]

then I'll go to some forum, ask for advice, consider it and completely ignore it

https://ericberne.com/games-people-play/why-dont-you-yes-but/

[delicate bane]

uhh thats def not how it would go lol

so you should definitely list all the technologies youve worked with for your projects

[still condor]

That's a lot of technologies

I may have completely forgotten what some of them even do

[dreamy shadow]

Just do a refresher before you interview.

[still condor]

And it's kinda vague what "a technology" is. Do I list grep? Do I list git (it's kinda obvious that a developer knows how to use git)

[dreamy shadow]

You list git. Instead of grep, you generalize it into unix commands

[true harness]

i subdivide my "Technologies" section into "languages", "tools", and "libraries"

[still condor]

Do I list GitHub CI if I hack on someone else's file until it seems to not explode

[dreamy shadow]

Me who has "Frameworks, Technology, and Tools" as one giant blob

[still condor]

In which category would you put PostgreSQL? Perhaps by tool you mean software in general?

and in which paragraph do I put "I watched every talk by Rich Hickey but I still don't know how to write Hello, world! in clojure"?

[dreamy shadow]

My suggestion is to look up example resumes of the job title you're looking for.

[still condor]

I have! they're all shitty

my job title is generic web developer

[delicate bane]

what kind of web developer though since theres plenty of different stacks out there

[true harness]

i have it under tools. i sent my resume earlier, let me find it. you probably would reorder some of the sections since you have actual work experience but maybe it'd help

i use "Tools" as kind of a "catch-all" term

[still condor]

ah yes, assert "HTML" in ProgrammingLanguages

[still condor]

I think it's a really harmful element of our culture that developers are hired by their "stacks" and not by their skills. I can probably learn your stack in a few weeks.
But I've mostly worked with aiohttp, Starlette/FastAPI, Flask on the backend side and vanilla/Vue.js/svelte on the frontend.

I have tried going through the tutorial of rocket.rs but all the example links were broken!

[true harness]

😦 how long ago? i used it circa this summer

[still condor]

I don't rmeber

[delicate bane]

this is true but the sad reality is thats what people still expect on resumes

[still condor]

well as I already implied shit is shitty, shittily

[delicate bane]

also +1 for fastapi

[still condor]

it's kinda meh tbh

I liked raw Starlette better

although if you want to hack something in 5 minutes and forget about it then maybe it's perfect

but isn't Django built for that?

[still condor]

What is your criteria for putting something on the list? I find it hard to orient myself on the spectrum between "literally the creator of this" and "I've heard the name"

[dreamy shadow]

"I've used it and familiar enough to field questions about it"

[true harness]

used it in a project. for all the things i listed, i've used them in projects i reference. this is probably only possible since i have so much space to put projects, so maybe a more general rule is "i've used them in projects i'd be happy to put on a resume"

[white relic]

for me, it depends on how much I really want to use it and if they mention it in the job listing.
There are some things I have familiarity with but I would never mention on a resume because I don't want the kind of job that filters on that

[still condor]

what do you put under libraries? if I list all libraries I've used somewhere I'll just run out of space

and, well, it's completely inconsequential whether I've used is-even in a project or not

(replace is-even by your favourite library which doesn't call itself a "framework")

[true harness]

that's kind of a good point tbh. i guess i try and focus on "major" libraries, whatever that means. stuff you would build a project around ig. also i have some testing frameworks which are important i think

also note I'm a student, so it's probably going to be different for you

[still condor]

yeah

[still condor]

If I use your template it comes out somehow like this...

I think this kinda misses the point tbh. I guess there's a point in listing "major skills" like: "I know Python and TypeScript well. I know how to write simple SQL queries and how to make an okay webpage with HTML/CSS. Oh and I sometimes write testss"

but beyond that, the person looking at my resume probably doesn't give a damn

[true harness]

honestly, i'm pretty clueless when it comes to resume stuff. i'd ask recursive error or godlygeek or darkwind or someone with actual xp

[buoyant seal]

definitely you need to rip off those words used a bit and etc...

[buoyant seal]

i was actually wishing to recommend u xD

[still condor]

yeah it's more of a self-deprecating irony to aid in consumption of the boring material

oh right I remember @summer roost gave some decent advice here

[still condor]

^^

[true harness]

he's US, but he can probably still help

[still condor]

he's us

he sus

[still condor]

well, experienced devs from around here are either dead, dying or running away

[buoyant seal]

Anyway, keep it simple.
Just group by categories stuff u learnt, and mention somewhere like spooky void
the point of resume is mostly recounting buzz words in order to be triggered by automatic search systems / and HR people who could be not knowing even what they mean

Main things to mention:
Technologies
Education
Work experience
Projects

Optionally achievements, but better mentioning them in work experience projects probably. Or may be separately? 🤔
Also adding pet projects i think is pretty much good idea xD Extra activity counts, and what made me hired for my first job years ago

keep clean wording, just buzz words
And recounting your achivements by STAR system
(Situation, Task, Action and Result)

read somewhere guide what it means like https://www.indeed.com/career-advice/resumes-cover-letters/star-method-resume

Upload your resume to indeed, it will help you being adviced what more buzz words are necessary to add for your kind of resume. Don't forget to add stuff like git, SQL, Linux and etc. Even if it is assumed by default as known, u need to add for the sake of Automatic crawlings bots.
You need to mention at least hard skills. I also mention... theoretical tech skills, like TDD, system design and etc

Basically your resume is sort of optimizing yourself to Search Engine crawling bots... and technically it is complete truth, as they are already used too.
Make sure text is copy/selectable. that's important

[buoyant seal]

Most important to have recounted your Work experience in the best way. That's your most selling point always for those who read.
Pet projects are nice, and can be counted into that too for human reading
Everything else is for automatic crawling bots essentially. Be it HR or real bot xD

[true harness]

hey that's mine 👀