A separate lane for bikes?
#ot2-the-original-pubsta
fallen current
dire sedge
A separate lane for bikes?
yes it makes going from places in city's way faster
dire sedge
It's better to have metros in the city
not if the city isn't very large
fervent storm
If I need to send N cargo trains per day somewhere, for the sake of throughput the speed I do it at doesn't really matter. The speed matters for the latency
fallen current
not if the city isn't very large
If the city isn't very large then normal roads are good enough
And there's a thing a called BRTS
dire sedge
If the city isn't very large then normal roads are good enough
where i live we have that but we also have bike paths and it is almost always 2x faster to go with the bike than with the car
fallen current
where i live we have that but we also have bike paths and it is almost always 2x...
In many countries you won't even find bikes in the road. It's very rare.
fervent storm
in computer terms, if I magically increased the speed of light so my ping was faster, I still wouldn't get better throughput/download speed
wheat hill
If I need to send N cargo trains per day somewhere, for the sake of throughput t...
let's assume the latency doesn't matter and you can transport everything in as much time as you need. an even slower alternative to freight train would be using a ship
which is very slow but very large area = same amount of material
dire sedge
we also have some city's with metros but the bike is still often as fast if not faster because you dont have to wait for other people and you can take shorter routes and directly to the destination
wheat hill
as a freight train with medium area and medium speed
fallen current
we also have some city's with metros but the bike is still often as fast if not ...
People don't want to ride a bike in many countries as they think it's not safe
fervent storm
you probably want mass transported per time as a measure of throughput
area isn't really important
fallen current
People don't want to ride a bike in many countries as they think it's not safe
Won't works in all countries
dire sedge
People don't want to ride a bike in many countries as they think it's not safe
because there isn't good infrastructure
nimble ivy
hi
fallen current
because there isn't good infrastructure
I am talking about the developed countries
fallen current
It mostly happens in the developed countries
nimble ivy
hi
dire sedge
I am talking about the developed countries
i meant infrastructure for the bikes
fervent storm
I am talking about the developed countries
yes, loads of developed countries has terrible infrastructure for anything other than cars, US is probably the most prominent example of this
wheat hill
area isn't really important
talking about area of intersection, which is very relevant for cost of realization
fallen current
i meant infrastructure for the bikes
I still don't think people in those country will choose bike other than the bikers that do it for adventure.
fallen current
yes, loads of developed countries has terrible infrastructure for anything other...
Build public transit
dire sedge
I am talking about the developed countries
the red lines are bike paths and i live in the Netherlands (the country where there are the most bike paths on this old map) and there are around 1.3 bikes for every person here and almost everyone regularly goes with the bike
fervent storm
Build public transit
Exactly, build public transit systems that we know work
fallen current
Oh it's bike
fervent storm
It's sorely needed
fallen current
Bike means something else in my country lol
fervent storm
Bicycle
dire sedge
i also hate that there are 2 words for it
fallen current
Bicycle is good
fervent storm
We would call what you were thinking of a motorbike
fallen current
Yeah I just said
dire sedge
We would call what you were thinking of a motorbike
same
wheat hill
let's dream for a moment
fervent storm
talking about area of intersection, which is very relevant for cost of realizati...
so I make my ship longer and I bypass your metric?
despite being able to carry more mass
wheat hill
i have a highway here with lots of trucks day and night
wheat hill
it's annoying as hell, produces smog
dire sedge
i have a highway here with lots of trucks day and night
rail would be a lot more efficient and then trucks for the smaller distances (at those distances you can probably have electric trucks)
fervent storm
yes, this is solved by freight trains to transportation hubs, trucks will still be needed for the last stretch though
fallen current
Trucks in my country produce a lot of dust
wheat hill
freight trains are even worse
wheat hill
i was living next to a railway with freight trains
fallen current
Eh
wheat hill
they were rolling endlessly during the night
fallen current
That's the mistake of having home near a freight rail track
fervent storm
Is the complaint really sound or similar? I thought we were talking about energy and efficiency
wheat hill
what if this highway could be replaced with a tube that contains all the noises (vacuum) and is frictionless (magnetic levitation)
dire sedge
That's the mistake of having home near a freight rail track
a few trees would block a lot of that sound
wheat hill
which means you could move stuff through it day and night and nobody would care
dire sedge
and if it doesn't they can go for sound walls
fallen current
It costs a lot to construct sound walls
wheat hill
especially in highly populated areas this could mean a big win
dire sedge
all those options aren't that expensive compared to something like a hyperloop
dire sedge
all those options aren't that expensive compared to something like a hyperloop
it would also be cheaper than having a large highway (i'm also including the cost of maintenance and construction costs)
fallen current
What's the best mode of transportation according to you all
Wow
Lol
It was once the best
fervent storm
what if this highway could be replaced with a tube that contains all the noises ...
the fricionless part is kinda a moot point, the rolling resistance for trains is immensely small
wheat hill
the fricionless part is kinda a moot point, the rolling resistance for trains is...
the rolling resistance for freight trains is immensely loud
fallen current
Center of mass
fervent storm
to compare with cars, 2 or 3 order of magnitude less resistance
dire sedge
bike (bycicle) for small distances like less then 15km and bus for larger distances than that up to 50km (more or less depending on the situation) and train for distances larger than 25km (depending on the situation) up to 300km then it would be plane
wheat hill
90 db
fallen current
Electric isn't clean energy
wheat hill
which is almost as loud as a construction site
wheat hill
Electric isn't clean energy
depends how it's generated..
dire sedge
Electric isn't clean energy
but it is more efficient to do it on a large scale than in a car
wheat hill
fervent storm
I mean, don't live next to freight transport hubs and don't build huge freight transport hubs in densely populated areas
wheat hill
"low noise" still means 80 db
fallen current
I mean, don't live next to freight transport hubs and don't build huge freight t...
They have to transport it to the cities in the end
dire sedge
I mean, don't live next to freight transport hubs and don't build huge freight t...
in those cases the solution is sound walls natural or build by humans it doesn't matter
fervent storm
just moving a few hundred meters or a few kilometers away makes that issue go away
fallen current
Not at all
fervent storm
They have to transport it to the cities in the end
yes, the last stretch pretty much needs to be done by trucks anyway
fallen current
That's super inefficient
wheat hill
just moving a few hundred meters or a few kilometers away makes that issue go aw...
which isn't a solution to densily populated areas, so..
dire sedge
That's super inefficient
but for those distances are electric trucks fine
fallen current
Probably
fervent storm
yes
fallen current
Yes
fervent storm
short distance transportation gives a lot more options
dire sedge
it would be more energy efficient and faster because less traffic jams
fallen current
Trains are electric
fervent storm
which isn't a solution to densily populated areas, so..
this is an issue of bad city planning, not an inherent issue of the mode of transportantion, it's an issues that can be solved
wheat hill
Trains are electric
not everywhere
fallen current
not everywhere
They can improve
wheat hill
this is an issue of bad city planning, not an inherent issue of the mode of tran...
you certainly haven't been to europe, have you
fervent storm
you certainly haven't been to europe, have you
hi, european here!
dire sedge
you certainly haven't been to europe, have you
depends a lot on the country
wheat hill
hi, european here!
then you should know that our cities have grown over centuries and our medieval ancestors couldn't account for everything 😉
dire sedge
Cities grow over centuries except in China
a century ago was there water where i correctly live
fallen current
You live in water?
dire sedge
this land is only 78y old
wheat hill
dutch are crazy
wheat hill
😄
fallen current
Netherlands
fervent storm
i did say that earlier
lol, I just saw bikes and netherlands and the map and didn't process more than that
cool
wheat hill
well, in germany at least we don't have the luxury that we could make more land and have to deal with lots of technological and cultural debt
dire sedge
well, in germany at least we don't have the luxury that we could make more land ...
you guys already have the land you dont even need to make it
fallen current
Germany has good roads
wheat hill
big parts of the rail system still aren't electrified and you can't appropriate land to make new highways or railways
fervent storm
and a pretty good train system
wheat hill
and a pretty good train system
well, not exactly
dire sedge
Germany has good roads
that are always under construction in the holiday period and there are never any workers to be found at those times
fervent storm
I didn't say amazing
fallen current
What
fervent storm
but comparatively good
wheat hill
you're not getting the point
fallen current
Germany has better train system than majority of the countries so...
wheat hill
the german rail system is extensive because it was built a century ago - there were many technological advances over the decades and every upgrade has very high costs
so nowadays we have large parts that are still not electrified
in some places there are track switches that still need to be operated manually (!)
dire sedge
Germany has better train system than majority of the countries so...
so does the Netherlands it only fails when there is a leaf on the track
fallen current
Lmao
wheat hill
while in other places (mostly subways) they are fully electrified and almost completely automated
nimble ivy
it would be more energy efficient and faster because less traffic jams
/tp is very energy efficient
fallen current
/tp is very energy efficient
I will help
fallen current
Ok
dire sedge
please teleport me to the core of the sun
i wish i could
wheat hill
my sister is train conductor, she's constantly moaning about the amount of training she has to go through because every single train is operated differently
dire sedge
/tp <@!427433072967942147> @core_of_the_sun
my reason was because the tech didn't exist yet
fallen current
Bruh
nimble ivy
/op @nimble ivy
wheat hill
a train conductor here needs to know about like 4 different technological steps because everything lives side by side
nimble ivy
lol
wheat hill
it's crazy
fallen current
a train conductor here needs to know about like 4 different technological steps ...
Way less than a pilot
wheat hill
Way less than a pilot
does a pilot need to know how to operate a steam-airbus?
fallen current
What's that
fervent storm
apparently the fraction of electrified rail in Germany is actually better than where I grew up ~60% compared to 54%
fallen current
Steam-airbus? I have only every heard of Airbus
wheat hill
nimble ivy
Steam-airbus? I have only every heard of Airbus
Fortnite Airbus
fervent storm
netherlands is at ~70% electrified
fervent storm
where I live currently is like 99%, but that's an extreme example
nimble ivy
netherlands is at ~70% electrified
just like humans are ~70% water
wheat hill
where I live currently is like 99%, but that's an extreme example
where's that
fervent storm
Switzerland, I work here since ~2.5 years
wheat hill
switzerland ❤️
daring jay
switzerland is beautiful
wheat hill
have you been to germany from there?
because the swabian alb is pretty much the contrary to that
digital bane
just like humans are ~70% water
fervent storm
have you been to germany from there?
not unless you count being in an airport
wheat hill
then no
fervent storm
and covid didn't really make is a good idea to go
fallen current
where I live currently is like 99%, but that's an extreme example
100% when
wheat hill
no electrification, manual switching, one big blind spot for mobile reception..
aww
aww
nimble ivy
yes?
wheat hill
Error
nimble ivy
gtg bye
wheat hill
cya
fallen current
Bye
wheat hill
@fallen current btw randomness
fallen current
What how
fervent storm
100% when
I mean, I only went by the numbers on the wiki. Some sources claim fully electrified
fallen current
Ohk
fervent storm
The official stats doesn't even bother mentioning it from what I see
maybe there is some private railway somewhere that isn't, who knows?
fallen current
You have private railways?
fervent storm
idk, I could imagine some industrial complexes might
to transport cargo shortish distances
but I don't know
just saying that the 99% not being 100% might have silly reasons
jovial island
who in the sweet name of falafel summoned my ass
jovial island
<@!223859869424418816> person
LMAO
spiral trellis
Ya pfp is pink
Check out the graffiti where I live, it’s hella fie
Beautiful main
digital bane
okay why this name tho
Perfecc for you lmao
jovial island
I will continue walking in faith. I lost my job as a social worker for declining the vaccine. This is my testimony. I declined due to my pre existing health conditions lupus and heart disease. I’m a single mother. I have been struggling to provide for my two autistic children. I feel so alone I find it difficult at times. I have been called horrible names even had death threats over my decision to decline the vaccine. It’s so heart breaking. A kind stranger has helped me that is the only reason why I still have my home I’m so thankful. Even though I’m struggling I will continue to have faith in God!
sinful sun
i very much doubt youre a single mother with a profile picture like that
elfin vine
Probably copypasta
merry cypress
i very much doubt youre a single mother with a profile picture like that
Bob identifies as a black male, how does that stop it from being a single mom
sinful sun
im not going to go into this conversation, nice bait
real forum
Es la neta.
frail grove
since people are talking about languages, i will continue to write about languages here
zinc temple
I personally dont think spanish specifically is gendered any more than any other lang
Like u say mr and mrs in english, you do that in spanish too
Just so happens you keep the mr and mrs for each adjective
Oversimplified, but you get it
frail grove
Just so happens you keep the mr and mrs for each adjective
la mesa, el escritorio, la tijeras
in english: table, desk, scissor
pastel gate
it's worse in russian and german
zinc temple
R u rlly saying nouns r being misgendered lol
pastel gate
where you got three genders
pastel gate
R u rlly saying nouns r being misgendered lol
this is the same in france
zinc temple
this is the same in france
No the other guy
pastel gate
like: la table, le bureau, les ciseaux
zinc temple
The article doesnt mean anything really, you could say "la agua" and it wouldnt rlly change anything about the object
pastel gate
The article doesnt mean anything really, you could say "la agua" and it wouldnt ...
hum, in some cases it could
especially when you speak
zinc temple
Im not mentioning the o or a at the end, the article in front
zinc temple
Hmm true
zinc temple
Context should explain it tho
zinc temple
Like "she is my mayor" doesnt rlly make much sense
zinc temple
but a language where context is most important is japanese
Dont know too much about that
pastel gate
Like "she is my mayor" doesnt rlly make much sense
yeah, but that was an instance
zinc temple
Arent they always instances?
pastel gate
Dont know too much about that
there is so much cases where you need context because the grammar is two simple
brazen jacinth
i hate it when my teacher gives me graphs that are too smol
frail grove
Solution: Use smaller font /trollface
carmine herald
well no just use a bigger font
blissful coral
if someone here might be interested in the latest from "AI",
This itself shows a pretty good chunk of progress that has been made - being able to understand and interpret jokes comes closer and closer to actual intellectual behavior
remote widget
Damn
digital bane
Coffee freebies free mug free frap bag
Can get nuff coffee and they tempt me with free
carmine herald
nescafe D:
||im stuck drinking that trash cuz its the only decaf they sell in my cheapo store meh||
digital bane
First in line in eat all you can opens in 26 min
digital bane
edgy apex
digital bane
This 10 USD eat all you can eating alone on my bday thou lol
carmine herald
i can actually get behind that kinda stuff since i like restricting meals to once per day and that looks real good 👀
digital bane
Second time here
daring jay
This 10 USD eat all you can eating alone on my bday thou lol
Happy birthday!
digital bane
Thanks
radiant socket
🍰
hoary fjord
nescafe D:
||im stuck drinking that trash cuz its the only decaf they sell in my...
absolute tragedy
hoary fjord
Thanks
looks good
this was pastries from the cafe this past weekend
spinach and goat cheese quiche is a hidden gem
digital bane
3rd set already
radiant socket
sheesh
carmine herald
mmm meat
hoary fjord
carmine herald
💀
digital bane
All that is left lmao
radiant socket
no Moar?
digital bane
13 meat dish 12 side dish lmao less than a dollar a pair at 10 USD hab 2 hour time limit and left over charge
Waiter bent rule for me lmao so one extra
radiant socket
sheeesh
carmine herald
yeah that sounds cost efficient, now record your mukbang and it pays for itself
digital bane
Last time i did 3 nao 4 lmao and will pay less since I skipped a pitcher of iced tea lmao
Somebody in Julia dis reminded me to exercise lmao last time I ate here
digital bane
2 hour limit reached and zero leftover bill out lmao so full
jovial island
2 hour limit reached and zero leftover bill out lmao so full
are you canadian?
digital bane
are you canadian?
Sorry no in Filipino
versed wigeon
in the whole history of r/place did the canadians ever finish their leaf perfectly 🤔
like goddamn canada how do you mess up so badly
round moss
Yeah, for a short time, it was correct
wheat rock
in the whole history of r/place did the canadians ever finish their leaf perfect...
yep
look at the banner of r/canada btw
somber belfry
My coffee today
happy birthday!
digital bane
happy birthday!
Thanky
digital bane
happy birthday!
Thanks
brazen jacinth
this is a disgrace towards my country
how do we not know how to draw a leaf
opalmist fan club was yesterdays stuff, today is @copper tartan fan club
digital bane
<@923229808803065907> see?
Noice
hoary fjord
did i drink half of it before even getting to school?
yes
do i regret it?
maybe
digital bane
do i regret it?
Maybe i will regret drinking coffee in a couple of hours 12 mn here
digital bane
Cant resist lmao
robust hare
@remote widget
do you have an accent
I mean
like a stereotypical accent
cuz I'm being stereotypical rn
remote widget
like a stereotypical accent
as in?
robust hare
as in indian scammers on youtube
remote widget
Idk their accent 🤷
remote widget
idk I never watched one of those
robust hare
actually I don't think anyone speaks like that
it's that
I-will-sdeal-yor-compyuda
sinful sun
Very questionable topic
robust hare
Very questionable topic
ikr I myself am regretting it
sinful sun
Maybe switch away while its still early?
remote widget
Ah nvm, it was Caeden and oki
sinful sun
.topic
rustic harborBOT
robust hare
Ah nvm, it was Caeden and oki
you guys talked already?
robust hare
imagine dragons
even though they're just weird
one band started and every member was switched out
except one
remote widget
you guys talked already?
I mean we used to VC like 2 months back or smth idk
robust hare
except one
dan pro
brazen jacinth
I just realized my little brother replaced half of the hand soap in my house with moisturizer with water in it 0_o
jovial island
as in indian scammers on youtube
ive heard@remote widget weve actually been in a few calls and hunter does the indian scammer jokes which is funny and i respect him for taking jokes
and yes he does have an accent which is just 😩
remote widget
ive heard<@!493451846543998977> weve actually been in a few calls and hunter doe...
Haha well idrc about all the scammer thingy since idgaf what y'all think of me, so i just tend to joke around with y'all instead of getting hurt :D
jovial island
Haha well idrc about all the scammer thingy since idgaf what y'all think of me, ...
i dont really think about you that way youre like a brother to me
remote widget
ofc ofc
digital bane
yeah idk why you did that to yourself
Nao iced cold lmao
Layer of frost thiccens lmao
radiant socket
hand, floor, cabinet reveal 👀
carmine herald
whats more important is tanuki has revealed his phone got a camera
hoary fjord
yall are late to the party. this isnt the first time
hoary fjord
Nao iced cold lmao
what the heck. can you even drink that
why did you put this in the freezer
carmine herald
life hack put drink in the freezer for fast coldening, always forget to pull it out but keep doing it just bc
digital bane
what the heck. can you even drink that
I drank it already lmao hawt in tropics
digital bane
Melted into fine slush
digital bane
<:kekHands:948697940711587900> <:kekHands:948697940711587900>
Not quite few minutes lmao
hoary fjord
life hack put drink in the freezer for fast coldening, always forget to pull it ...
then it explodes everywhere and you have to clean it up
carmine herald
life hack u dont have to clean up the inside of the freezer cuz its frozen
hoary fjord
gross
if i remember i will send you coffee tomorrow
tanuki
almost 12 midnight here
digital bane
There is this used to work in lab with it https://www.escolifesciences.com/products/ultra-low-temperature-freezer/lexicon-ii-ultra-low-temperature-freezer
rich cargo
Nao iced cold lmao
cold coffee is best
digital bane
Yep uni rich was new research lab
digital bane
This was most expensive machine got certified by vendor for use https://www.ru.nl/science/gi/facilities-activities/elemental-analysis/icp-oes/
robust hare
ive heard<@!493451846543998977> weve actually been in a few calls and hunter doe...
hunter: 🥳 
carmine herald
i keep watching movies that get memes made out of and they're all trash :(
regretting american psycho
digital bane
<:kekHands:948697940711587900> <:kekHands:948697940711587900>
Starbucks mug hack label is plastic and washable lmao
Mug was free with instant coffee lmao
warm inlet
i found a cool dark mode theme on VSC and im so happy
it looks so nice, all the syntax highlighting
my earlier theme was a default and didnt highlight different keywords,
new one does nicely
im a happy man
plush raven
what is India
lofty loom
🇮🇳
real forum
what is India
Idk I think it's a language or something
upbeat sandal
what is India
what is love
brazen jacinth
what is love
what is life
normal cheese cake is far superior to fruit cheesecake
digital bane
what is love
No longer evil
upbeat sandal
maybe I should become the Pope again
real forum
Ohh if you're the pope, I would be very close to you atm
I'm in the Netherlands till... tmrw, and then I'm going to DC
languid osprey
maybe I should become the Pope again
Stope
upbeat sandal
I see
languid osprey
Or popercus
real forum
Ahh, I thought you were trying to discourage stele from his dreams
upbeat sandal
It is done
languid osprey
I see
real forum
You look great mr stope elercus
real forum
Yeahhh mb
upbeat sandal
I absolve thee!
languid osprey
Hmmm
real forum
It was you that liked that, right?
upbeat sandal
no
real forum
Hmmmm
hoary fjord
@digital bane sorry i already started eating
and drinking
it was a rough morning
the dog got sprayed by a skunk in the early morning
so thats how my day started
digital bane
<@923229808803065907> sorry i already started eating <:kekHands:9486979407115879...
Im drinking coffee this late again cant resist lmao 11 pm...nice meal btw
hoary fjord
Im drinking coffee this late again cant resist lmao 11 pm...nice meal btw
midnight coffee
also me rn
waxen field
just wondering, im getting a lot of like random people from this server dming me just like "hi" is there a scam going around or (i dont check into this server a lot so)
upbeat sandal
just wondering, im getting a lot of like random people from this server dming me...
I haven't heard about that, but there should be a "report spam" option in the Discord UI.
hoary fjord
<:lemon_xd:754441882322468926>
im glad i can make you laugh mariosis
sinful sun
😂😂😂
sinful sun
we dont have skunks over here but this one dumb ass dog we have would fight literally any viper in sight
and get bitten and swell up like a beachball
you'd think they learn after the first couple times
remote widget
@long vortex mind posting that here?
long vortex
🗿
remote widget
@jovial island I don't think coding literally all day long what the
I just think about it when its relatable to the current situation
jovial island
<@456226577798135808> I don't think coding literally all day long what the
I jus...
ahem ahem
jovial island
Never gonna try C++. I don't want my life to revolve around colons
cpp is easy, when you start learning it
remote widget
And yes, not every moment is relatable to coding lmao
remote widget
cpp is easy, when you start learning it
I searched up some code snippets, saw that there are more colons than the code itself, so never looked at it again
ahem ahem
jovial island
I searched up some code snippets, saw that there are more colons than the code i...
||Colons are going to give a brainduck every time, thats why js is more uwu||
remote widget
Nim is better than JS imo
remote widget
At least u can use the same boilerplate code and compile it to JS, C and other lang(s)
remote widget
Well people do talk about it in the ot channels 🤷
jovial island
Well people do talk about it in the ot channels 🤷
I barely get time to use discord in a day
jovial island
seems cool
remote widget
prolly
jovial island
and Ares too
remote widget
Hi hsp
long vortex
Well, no comments
so you write big spaghetti with it
dusky cliff
Well, no comments
mfw var ternary = conditional == 42
long vortex
and Ares too
remote widget
mfw `var ternary = conditional == 42`
var conditional = 42
if conditional < 0:
echo "conditional < 0"
elif conditional > 0:
echo "conditional > 0"
else:
echo "conditional == 0"
var ternary = if conditional == 42: true else: false
var another =
if conditional == 0:
"zero"
elif conditional mod 2 == 0:
"even"
else:
"odd"
# Case switch.
var letter = 'c'
case letter
of 'a':
echo "letter is 'a'"
of 'b', 'c':
echo "letter is 'b' or 'c'"
of 'd'..'h':
echo "letter is between 'd' and 'h'"
else:
echo "letter is another character"
istg desktop markdown colors suck
I like the mobile ones
dusky cliff
i am on mobile and i see no colours lmao
remote widget
Lmao the markdown lang is nim
ionic locust
Well, no comments
I dislike this syntax
dusky cliff
never heard of modula
ionic locust
That ternary is like they combined Python and JS ternaries
remote widget
never heard of modula
I never heard of Modula and Ada
remote widget
Idk never used rust but what caught my attention is that the same boilerplate code can be compiled to JS, C++ and C
long vortex
I feel like if you know Python, won't be too hard to learn Nim
remote widget
Yes
median blade
mfw `var ternary = conditional == 42`
let ternary = conditional = 42 ☺️
daring jay
🗿
Malbolge deserves its own category
also saying LISP is hard is a generalization, there are many LISPs
grim beacon
@tranquil sleet yo about the rust framework shit
it is true what fireship said
It is really confusing to get a basic app up and running
tranquil sleet
yah there was some comment saying it was a bad idea to go with that combo
they mentioned some weird framework name which i can't recall
grim beacon
I want someone in the rust community to make an MVC one
daring jay
which frameworks are you trying to use?
tranquil sleet
but then again you won't use rust for web development right?
grim beacon
We were talking about rocket
tranquil sleet
nah we're just discussing about the new fireship video
spring looked really good because it wrote the code itself
grim beacon
but then again you won't use rust for web development right?
I mean it is pretty decent for backend, but you could argue it is over kill
tranquil sleet
i really shouldn't have tried it on netbeans because i noped out after opening "my first spring app"
grim beacon
but the thing is you don’t need tons of control over memory in web development though
round moss
spring is one of those frameworks which seems really nice and easy when you see someone use it, but trying to use it yourself is misery of config files and runtime errors with useless tracebacks
daring jay
warp and poem also seem really nice from my experiences with them
grim beacon
warp is nice yeah
it would be nice if some rust web frameworks could make some sort of CLI tool though. and also an MVC framework
daring jay
ugh I just realized my computer was completely dying because I'm trying to compile a rustdoc
daring jay
it would be nice if some rust web frameworks could make some sort of CLI tool th...
MVC?
daring jay
no
grim beacon
oh it’s a design pattern for making APIs
tranquil sleet
spring is one of those frameworks which seems really nice and easy when you see ...
not really gonna lose much out if i give it a whirl though 😄
grim beacon
round moss
yeah, you won't
grim beacon
why does Java have those deeply nested directories though
like you have to go though 5 directories to even find a Java file
round moss
made the impl of the JVM easier when it was first made
tranquil sleet
probably for namespacing properly LOL
daring jay
I hate seeing com/adgalkahlkasg/asgjhaklghj in repos
tranquil sleet
hahahah
grim beacon
made the impl of the JVM easier when it was first made
oh ok
round moss
and well, full namespacing in the java style does help avoid ns conflicts
tranquil sleet
django and go were the cleanest directory wise
round moss
things like decouple and python-decouple are a fun example of why java does what it does
grim beacon
I always liked how they structured it
tranquil sleet
oh yeah those were pretty good too but MVC just makes it feel so bloated for me, partly why i super disliked working with react
i had to flex between 10 files
grim beacon
also who the fuck uses swift for web development? I know it is general purpose but I never really hear it being used outside of development for Apple operating systems
tranquil sleet
react doesn't do MVC as far as I remember
oh no it doesn't, it's just the projects that i was following proposed i use MVC
round moss
ah, I see
yeah, I am not a fan of MVC for that exact reason
adding things is somewhat bearable
tranquil sleet
i eventually ended up dropping JS for quite some time because of the CSS hassle which is why i'm here
round moss
but removing sth from an MVC thing involves going over several files and figuring out what depends on what
grim beacon
I had a small bout with typescript but I just got bored of it eventually
grim beacon
The ecosystem is shit
tranquil sleet
yeah 😦
round moss
the svelte strategy of having mini-MVC all in a single file, which you can then compose is the way IMO
grim beacon
I used Deno though and Deno is cool.
round moss
deno is clever, yeah
spiral ember
I mean it is pretty decent for backend, but you could argue it is over kill
Yeah. If your backend is very intensive, then sure. But usually it's mostly I/O
round moss
honestly, I like the JS ecosystem
a ton of creative GUI solutions to come out of there
and even backend solutions
tranquil sleet
you get a lot of stuff with JS, but you also get a lot of the stuff you don't need
is-odd 👀
round moss
while the rest of the world is still stuck on xaml and mutating your UI by hand
grim beacon
but has like, no ecosystem
Well it is relatively new, so give it time
round moss
JS has 7 different brands of FRP, each of which is not horribly slow
grim beacon
while the rest of the world is still stuck on xaml and mutating your UI by hand
ah shit I remember the time I tried to make a desktop app with C# and XAML. Nightmare with the XAML
tranquil sleet
oh boy, back to those java/php times
grim beacon
I still never dropped the idea for that app though. I still kinda want to do it eventually
jovial island
ah shit I remember the time I tried to make a desktop app with C# and XAML. Nigh...
XAML is SHIT
tranquil sleet
XD
jovial island
i had to make like damn 20 GUI apps at uni with this shit
grim beacon
💀
jovial island
we had entire subject exlusively for WPF
tranquil sleet
thank lord we only had like 2
jovial island
it's awful
tranquil sleet
and that too with minimal xaml
grim beacon
Does .NET MAUI require you to use XAML
or can you use blazor
iirc it uses XAML by default or something
grim beacon
🗿
jovial island
any time you think you want MAUI, you don't, you want Flutter
jovial island
flutter is hella advanced
i'm not a dart dev at all but i know it has immense power for GUI applications
tranquil sleet
saying flutter feels so nice, not sure how dev goes in there
grim beacon
I might have to use Flutter if I want to try out my app again
jovial island
for sure
grim beacon
I also thought about Rust and using Tauri
jovial island
i tried both flutter and react native with non trivial applications, and flutter is easily the way to go
despite the fact i'm significantly more comfortable in TypeScript
flutter is hands down better
especially flutter 2
tranquil sleet
good thing fireship has a tutorial on that with a certificate 🗿
grim beacon
lol
jovial island
flutter 2 evidently compilers to Android, iOS, MacOS, Windows, and even Linux
you don't get that with React native
and MAUI is just a joke lol
-> coming from a professional .NET dev
round moss
I had high hopes for MAUI, but am quickly loosing them
jovial island
best be getting into Dart
i got my hopes high
if they make backend dev on Dart more mainstream, Dart could become huge
(aka add a ton of backend related libraries)
grim beacon
if they make backend dev on Dart more mainstream, Dart could become huge
that could actually be really cool
grim beacon
Well you can do that with Rust
jovial island
nah
grim beacon
Yew + some backend framework
jovial island
Rust is way behind
grim beacon
and Yew supports WASM
round moss
I don't like some language decisions dart has made, such as not enforcing variance by default, but it does seem fairly neat in more important ways.
grim beacon
I might check out Dart eventually. More on my level than Go
jovial island
and flutter is closest thing to cross platform GUI that isn't a meme
so the fact it got that hurdle behind it
makes it a great candidate for fullstack
grim beacon
I have a gigantic grudge against Go and it’s syntax
jovial island
same
round moss
honestly, I am still of the opinion that the correct solution is making browsers more powerful, not trying to wrangle 7 different styles of windowing into the same API
jovial island
browsers, more powerful..?
grim beacon
and MAUI is just a joke lol
If they make it usable with Blazor, it could flip the tide
jovial island
if anything they are too powerful
blazor 😂
you know blazor ships with .NET runtime in it's bundle right?
non trivial download size
grim beacon
but I also didn’t like blazor that much. But it is definitely between that XAML
jovial island
.NET runtime in WASM
grim beacon
no i didn’t, I wasn’t too privy on the internals lol. I just jumped into some random ASP.NET API
jovial island
ASP.NET is fairly generic
I like it because it's familiar to me because uni
but i won't defend any aspect they chose...
ASP.NET Core ****
i should say
grim beacon
yeah that’s the one we like
round moss
the thing is, native apps suck. You have to install them, they require complex versioning and such. In contrast, a website is almost always up to date and doesn't require 7 different targets just to support all the users. So I think making websites do more tasks that used to be reserved for native apps is a more fruitful endeavor than making native apps not suck
jovial island
if you make browser more powerful, you give large corps even more data potentially
and potentionally expose more vulnerability vectros
round moss
more so than with a native app?
browsers are objectively better at sandboxing than operating systems.
jovial island
potentionally
jovial island
browsers are objectively better at sandboxing than operating systems.
true
but rn we can use browser to be semi safe
if we make browsers data hogs, we lose this one bubble
round moss
indeed, the more you let a browser app do, the less security leash it gets
jovial island
for example i use discord web
only for the "safety"
because v9/science 🙃
and ublock origin blocks in browser
also, discord has no right seeing my filesystem
round moss
but still, I feel like in terms of UX, you would be hardpressed to beat a website with a native app.
jovial island
there is more science than the rest ffs
also, i might have to swap to firefox, because Chrome may end support for v2 extensions
which is sorta a big deal
also, firefox extensions lets you manipulate the HTTP response contents, while in Chrome you can't by any reasonable method
or rather, i should say, i don't know of any method in chrome
one thing dart has ok is anonymous function syntax
just (){}
grim beacon
if they make backend dev on Dart more mainstream, Dart could become huge
Are there no dart server side frameworks?
Or just very limited and small
jovial island
Or just very limited and small
very limited and very small yes
grim beacon
hmm
jovial island
i mean there is an absurd amount of things you need to be a production ready backend framework...
jovial island
HTML templating, XML validation, XML serialization and deserialization, JSON, TOML, YAML, Database drivers, ORMs, middleware, authentication+authorization, hashing and encryption algorhytms, just to scratch the surface
grim beacon
Routing, serving static files, Templating
grim beacon
lmao
jovial island
CSV, Web crawlers/scrapers
testing frameworks like selenium/playwright/puppeteer
logging library, model codegeneration tools
complex build automation tools, for example to initialize database schemas, make dockerfiles
it never ends
lofty loom
hmm
I mean they do market the language as "client optimized"
Besides backend Dart would eat into Go
grim beacon
true
lofty loom
Hmm
Yknow, given AngularDart exists
Flutter also ended up being Angular's answer to React Native
storm birch
Whoever wrote this off topic name has forever lost my friendship and/or respect
lofty loom
Whoever wrote this off topic name has forever lost my friendship and/or respect
You mean you don't like our Supreme Soviet Space Leader Tim Curry?
storm birch
The last one was that cheesecake is better with fruit 
median blade
I don't like some language decisions dart has made, such as not enforcing varian...
oh what is that
winged gale
who said you need an IDE, or even a basic text editor to program?
famous last words
craggy bridge
since I can't find smthn online to create texts like these using gifs
any module to do this?
https://anicloud.gg/render.gif
round moss
oh what is that
Last I checked, the default is sth like List<Animal> a = someListOfCat type checking, which is unsound, since you can add a dog to a list of animals, but can't add a dog to s list of cats
median blade
how does this compare to something like C# or Java
dusky cliff
you get an error
median blade
ic
median blade
and MAUI is just a joke lol
why
jovial island
why
it lacks a lot of features one would expect from native
and it didn't acquire critical mass of developers that'd improve on it's foundation
also, XAML solutions have REALLY bad state management
not only MAUI, WPF is guilty of the same thing
median blade
i see
lofty loom
since I can't find smthn online to create texts like these using gifs
any module...
All you need for this is a png and a video editor like Kdenlive
I can't remember exactly sort of editing I did, but I clearly remembered Kdenlive is capable of doing that
craggy bridge
oh
thanks!
nimble ivy
hi
errant seal
@quaint tapir Sorry for pinging you here. If you want a response from the ModMail you opened, you will need to allow DMs from the ModMail bot.
slate leaf
This isn't really needed btw
quaint tapir
This isn't really needed btw
I dont see an option for that.
slate leaf
I dont see an option for that.
Oh my reply was to another user
quaint tapir
This isn't really needed btw
slate leaf
For DM'ing ModMail, you need to enable DMs in your user settings
hollow heart
you also might have disabled DMs from members specifically of this server
to check that:
quaint tapir
I got a DM letting me know I wasnt able to do what I was asking.
Thanks all.
hollow heart
I got a DM letting me know I wasnt able to do what I was asking.
Thanks all.
did you change any of your settings?
if you didn't, then us not being able to send you a reply at first maybe is because of outages we had upstream earlier this morning
brazen jacinth
joe
dusky cliff
how's joe
quaint tapir
if you didn't, then us not being able to send you a reply at first maybe is beca...
No changes on my end.
hollow heart
yeah
real forum
Why's Joe 😩
Is Joe?
languid osprey
Oe??
shrewd lance
mamaaaaaaaaaa ooooooo
languid osprey
just killed a maaaaan
I think thats a crime
carmine herald
I think thats a crime
slate leaf
Bohemian Rhapsody, top 3 songs of all time
real forum
Bohemian Rhapsody, top 3 songs of all time
What's above it?
slate leaf
What's above it?
Ahh shit now I'm going to have to think about an amswer
winged gale
why do I waste my time on stuff that's purely cosmetic, then get upset when I fail so miserably?
I PUT A LITERAL 3 INSTEAD OF AN E
HOW
versed wigeon
I PUT A LITERAL 3 INSTEAD OF AN E
confusions™️
gilded pine
radiant socket
huh?
hoary fjord
digital bane
<a:CL6_ThinkingIntensifies:393731811714400257>
Coffees of the day
digital bane
Good nite
hoary fjord
jade bolt
how do u find the answers to a google quiz
- hack google (clearly you can't, you'll most likely run into flags, malware if you google this)
- guess them ez
- google "homework answer"
- google "homework help free fast"
5a if your email isn't recorded
5b the form allows you to response more than once
5c the form shows answers after finishing it
5d make two responses
6 stop cheating on your homework kid. just do it
7 smh no
digital bane
3. google "homework answer"
Ebil homework schemes
digital bane
3. google "homework answer"
Use Duck Duck go mua hahaha
jade bolt
true haha
craggy cloud
digital bane
just killed a maaaaan
UwU great ebil
jovial island
@sturdy relic hey eivl sorry for the ping but have you seen the new lego game!
not sure if lego star wars games are a part of your childhood but its pretty cool and darth maul has his own cool boss battle
primal fog
can someone help me out real quick
cos (x) * e^(sin x) = 2
does this have a solution?
it does seem like it would, since sin x max value is 1, and e to the power of 1 is e... which is 2.72 so ye
nvm it doesnt
rugged portal
@jovial island
clever salmonBOT
@rugged portal :white_check_mark: Your eval job has completed with return code 0.
1
What to do with left over days near 31 december
shrewd lance
I actually remember a very pogger proposition
13 months, 4 weeks each
That's 364 days; 1 day is left out of the calendar (2 on leap years) to celebrate new year's
rugged portal
shrewd lance
january and february are moved from the beginning to the end of the year
so that september, october and so forth are actually the 7th, 8th and so forth months of the year
rugged portal
What month will be 27 days on leap year?
shrewd lance
No month, all months are always exactly 4 weeks
rugged portal
But on leap year?
shrewd lance
either 1 or 2 days are left out of the week and of the calendar for new years'
rugged portal
You take 2 days
shrewd lance
2 days on leap year, 1 day on regular years
rugged portal
I vote for monday to be gone
shrewd lance
the calendar stays the same every year, days of month map the same for every month, and other very nice benefits
this is the calendar to rule them all
jovial island
@rugged portal hi man !
Are you speaking about my thing?
in that case... I would just say we start with 1/1/2021
End on 31/12/2021
but if we cant do that then just whatever is possible to have a whole year 😄
only 2021 matters
far as sales is concerned - and then for the reviews tho we want everything - all the reviews - just the older ones we want to assign less weight to
thanks for your help
actually tho I really really think it's important to start 1/1/2021 and end 31/12/2021
can we do that pls? soit matches what i've done so far..
lucid girder
poke
remote widget
Xith do be poking
jovial island
Xith do be poking
Ye
magic raptor
can we connect apple music to discord?
remote widget
We can only connect these
magic raptor
bummer
proven tendon
@jovial island @remote widget @jovial island wanna clash of code?
jovial island
<@456226577798135808> <@493451846543998977> <@456226577798135808> wanna clash of...
I dont play coc sadly 😔
proven tendon
I dont play coc sadly 😔
doesn't matter
jovial island
plus I got class in 10
proven tendon
plus I got class in 10
Ok
remote widget
<@456226577798135808> <@493451846543998977> <@456226577798135808> wanna clash of...
What's that
jade bolt
What's that
codingames
proven tendon
What's that
coding challenge game
grim beacon
@waxen carbon
waxen carbon
here
grim beacon
so what was thee qurstion?
waxen carbon
build:
needs: [check, test]
runs-on: ${{ matrix.os }}
strategy:
matrix:
os: [ubuntu-latest, windows-latest, macos-latest]
toolchain: [stable, beta, nightly]
steps:
- uses: actions/checkout@v3
- name: Install toolchain(s)
uses: actions-rs/toolchain@v1.0.6
with:
toolchain: ${{ matrix.toolchain }}
override: true
- name: Build
run: cargo build --verbose
Do i need these things too?
as it definitely looks like rust-specific or i need to change it?
civic wharf
instead of 3 each ?
waxen carbon
does it like compile the code?
grim beacon
this would be a more pythonic workflow:
run-workflows:
runs-on: ubuntu-latest
steps:
- uses: actions/checkout@v2
- name: Set up Python
uses: actions/setup-python@v2
with:
python-version: '3.x'
- name: Install dependencies
run: |
python -m pip install --upgrade poetry
poetry install
npm install pyright
- name: Run flake8
run: |
poetry run python -m flake8
- name: Run pytest
run: |
poetry run python -m pytest
- name: Run pyright
run: |
poetry run npx pyright ./
yeah cargo build compiles the binaries and libraries and all their dependencies
grim beacon
there alot to learn
i think devops is a great skill to have
civic wharf
I would not usually do the lintet stuff but that's up to you
waxen carbon
so it can work on these platforms without you having to do the compilation on virtual machines stuff?
grim beacon
well, the workflows run on a github vm for the OS
civic wharf
and for testing I typically use python -m pytest
grim beacon
about to branching thing as well, for projects that will be pushed to users, you want a dev branch to make sure everything is ok before merging to master
waxen carbon
👍 Got it
waxen carbon
@civic wharf did you test the errors lol?
civic wharf
for a longer example heres the workflow I use with justuse
https://github.com/amogorkon/justuse/blob/unstable/.github/workflows/blank.yml it basically does pytest on and coverage upload for a few platforms
civic wharf
<@856229099952144464> did you test the errors lol?
I was not able to figure out how to start it
I assumed I should be in the src directory but then it wanted to open something in "src/xxx" so I tried from the parent directory, but then imports were failing
grim beacon
I'm gonna implement pre commit hooks
waxen carbon
did u try running the lexer
civic wharf
div(class="h", id="5"):
a():
""
a:
""
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "<stdin>", line 1, in <module>
File "/data/media/0/src/htmltest/src/src/lexer.py", line 81, in <module>
code_line[crr_line_no - 1].endswith(Token.COLON)
IndexError: string index out of range```
this looks like it started? I just did `import lexer`yea that's just a bug lol
waxen carbon
there's a temporary test-syntax.txt file that it opens
try putting a random ) in there
or some random indentation
waxen carbon
I'm gonna implement pre commit hooks
nice!
i might end up changing all this code to do recursive parsing idk
waxen carbon
what does it do
grim beacon
it lets you create and manage directories and files in your project
waxen carbon
it lets you create and manage directories and files in your project
so like project specific directories?
waxen carbon
eg a flask project
grim beacon
its for Rust
waxen carbon
or does it work with the directories that exists?
waxen carbon
yea i thought it's for like quickly making project specific directories
like django has this
/Templates/
/Static/
main.py
urls.py
views.py
....
ah no
waxen carbon
that would be cool right
all you do is
cli_app create_project django
grim beacon
but anyways, these are the args I currently have for the generate sub command:
#[derive(Args, Debug)]
pub struct Generate {
/// Enable file-only creation mode
#[clap(short = 'f', long = "file", conflicts_with = "dir_mode")]
file_mode: bool,
/// Enable directory-only creation mode
#[clap(short = 'd', long = "dir", conflicts_with = "file_mode")]
dir_mode: bool,
/// Create recursively
#[clap(short = 'r', long, conflicts_with = "file_mode")]
recursive: bool,
/// Path to create your files or directories
#[clap(short = 'p', long, required = true)]
path: String,
/// Files to be created
#[clap(long, conflicts_with = "dirs", value_name = "FILES")]
files: Option<Vec<String>>,
/// Directories to be created
#[clap(long, conflicts_with = "files", value_name = "DIRS")]
dirs: Option<Vec<String>>,
}
its ok if you don't understand the actual syntax. I am just wondering about this recursive option for creating. Does it really make sense?
waxen carbon
it looks pretty clean
but i don't know anything in rust so..
except hello world of course
fun main() {
println!("Hello World");
}
but my logic behind recursive was to create multiple subdirs in a dir or subdir
so you could group it like generate ./{dir1, dir2}/{dir3, dir4}
waxen carbon
that is a neat idea
grim beacon
i think that would kinda go against what I have rn though with the dirs: Option<Vec<String>>
like originally i thought
generate [-f or -d] ./path_to_directory_to_create [--files or --dirs] [file or dir]1 [file or dir]2 and so on
but then there really isn't a way to create multiple things in multiple dirs at the same time
jovial island
a supercell game
proven tendon
whats supercel
jovial island
whats supercel
a game company
remote widget
whats supercel
What's Epic Games
jovial island
https://www.codingame.com/multiplayer/clashofcode
I read the game's summary and I swear am going to shit in this
proven tendon
What's Epic Games
idk man
proven tendon
I read the game's summary and I swear am going to shit in this
ok
proven tendon
later
jovial island
wow
remote widget
I got a ghost ping from here
proven tendon
you sure
rugged portal
he be watchin' now lol
hollow heart
it's not me last time though
you should probably not do that
remote widget
I got one again what is happening 😔
jade bolt
do you wanna play clash of code lol
remote widget
Sure ig
jade bolt
ok brb
remote widget
Never played it before so idk how to play it tho
hollow heart
I got one again what is happening 😔
this time I don't see anything in the logs
remote widget
Weird, it showed 2 pings but only saw one. idk prolly discord broke
jade bolt
ok i'ma start
digital bane
ok i'ma start
Getting late lmao you ought to sleep soon
jade bolt
Getting late lmao you ought to sleep soon
yeh probably
jade bolt
I don't understand shit
it asks you to print the result ig
proven tendon
28%?