ot2-the-original-pubsta

[rare moat]

wait

can you guys even do anything about somebody impersonating me here?

it just gives me anxiety because i change my nickname & profile picture a lot and people can lose track of who i am, so i am worried about somebody doing something dumb and thinking it is me.

[unreal sigil]

I think they left the server

[rare moat]

@indigo geyser

[unreal sigil]

I was checking them before

[rare moat]

let me refresh Discord.

[unreal sigil]

Yeah they're gone

[rare moat]

okay good lol

thanks though

[unreal sigil]

@rare moat Could you try use modmail again, couldn't spot anything out of the ordinary in the logs

[rare moat]

sure

..maybe it is one of my settings..?

[toxic viper]

Can you normally see reactions?

[rocky nebula]

this is why don't expect too much 😄

[elfin vine]

What's the name for a "get or insert"

I know there's "upsert" for "update or insert"

[round moss]

setdefault

[elfin vine]

😉

Thanks

Also note I am not talking about Python's method, I want to know what the office meaning would be (it's a name for a custom class) but I can keep Python's naming because it's pythonic

[rocky nebula]

oh :v

[vital crown]

@jovial island I went straight from gymnasiet to uni

It depends a lot on what you want to study as well

[jovial island]

But you did go to a Högskoleförberedande right?

[vital crown]

Nope

Just three years of gymnasiet

[jovial island]

Because I spoke to my teachers they said I need to read Matte 2, Matte 3, Matte 4 and a few other subjects in Comvux after I have taken the Studenten to get into uni

[vital crown]

I took math from A-D at gymnasiet

I guess it's numbers instead of letters now, but probably about the same thing

[jovial island]

Yeah they probably changed the names, in årskurs 1 you read matte 1, and if you go to yrkesförberedande you don't read matte 2 and matte 3, if you go högskoleförberedande they teach you matte 2 and matte 3 🤷

[vital crown]

Matte A-D + diskret matte was part of my gymnasium program

[jovial island]

same with swedish and english, in yrkes you only read Svenska 1, Engelska 1, but never the higher ones 🤷

[jovial island]

What linje did you go to?

[vital crown]

IT at John Bauer

[elfin vine]

I am currently reading Teknik at a högskoleförberedande program (well Teknik is a högskoleförberedande program so that's given).

[vital crown]

It was crap, but it got the job done

[jovial island]

That's a very good linje, I go to El-Energi (dator-kommunikations inriktning) and yeah.. it's yrkes lol

[vital crown]

Maybe this is a standard model now, but it wasn't when I was in gymnasiet

Or at least they never mentioned it

[jovial island]

They change a lot

[elfin vine]

For my program I will only be reading up until 3 (so C). If I want to be an engineer most programs require 4 so I am considering reading that so that I get the opportunity

[jovial island]

All my friends who finnished gymnasium has to read additional 1-2 years in comvux just to get into uni

[vital crown]

Yeah, I studied civ. ing. in datavetenskap and I needed D to get in

[jovial island]

And I have to read 2-3-4 all by my own lol

[elfin vine]

Ah yeah, I was considering that one but it's more "house electricity" as opposed to say robots or programming from what I saw

[vital crown]

I mean, you could've picked a linje that gave you what you needed from the start

[jovial island]

We do programming but it's very mixed, there is no specific in anything here they just teach general stuff 🤷

[vital crown]

Programming at gymnasiet was very basic

I didn't really learn anything I didn't already know from the classes

Though I learned some stuff from some classmates

[jovial island]

You need good merit to get into a Högskoleförberedande gymnasium, I had around 120-150 and I got the best school compared to my merit 🤷

[elfin vine]

Yeah that's the thing with the yrkes-programmen. You read a lot less courses so if you want eligibility you need totsle extra

[elfin vine]

My expectations are incredibly low to be fair

[jovial island]

I'll around 22-23 when I enter Uni lol

[vital crown]

Weird. I had good grades in högstadiet, but I REALLY didn't need it to get into John Bauer, they took in the bottom of the barrel

[elfin vine]

Mostly I'll enjoy teaching others I guess

[vital crown]

I guess it depends on where you live

[elfin vine]

Also free grade technically

[vital crown]

I visited the school while I was in 8an to see what it was like, and I got to sit in on a programming class, and I spent the class tutoring the guy I was sitting with

[jovial island]

Lmaoo

Is it possible to be a programmer/mjukvaruutvecklare or a web-utvecklare without a uni degree in sweden?

and have a income of around 40k per month

[vital crown]

It's possible, I had a coworker at my previous job without a degree, and we were both paid more than that, but it's really hard. He's the exception.

He was also REALLY good.

[jovial island]

So how did he get a job without a degree?

[vital crown]

He was REALLY good.

[jovial island]

Self-taught? How was he able to show the handläggarna that he's good? Today they wont even consider doing interviews with you if you dont have a degree

[vital crown]

I don't know, I didn't hire him.

[jovial island]

Right 😛

[vital crown]

But it makes sense that he got the job, because he was very valuable.

[jovial island]

How was he REALLY good?

[vital crown]

He knew tons of tools and frameworks, and he would constantly come up with innovative solutions and tooling to improve our workflows and do devops stuff and such.

He wasn't actually that productive when it came to like implementing business logic and delivering main features, but he accelerated everyone else who did.

It's really useful to have someone like that on a team.

[jovial island]

So his knowledge and quick thinking of solutions got him to get a job?

[vital crown]

You also didn't need to tell him to do stuff, he'd just take initiative and come up with new tools and processes on his own.

I assume he probably gave an impressive technical interview.

Not sure how he got the foot in the door.

I assume he probably had a lot of hobby projects to show off, among other things.

He seems like the kind of guy to do a lot of stuff like that in his spare time.

[jovial island]

Ah I see, would it be possible if I apply for a dev job as soon as im 18? 😂

[vital crown]

I mean, maybe you can get dev jobs through personal contacts. Like, make a website for someone, set up a server, or get a part-time job at someone's company, kinda like an informal paid internship or something. If you can swing that, you can put that on your CV and that could maybe get your foot in the door for a more serious position. Maybe. I'm just guessing, I went the standard uni track after all.

So not really the best person to ask about this honestly.

I think you're probably way better off going to komvux and then uni.

[jovial island]

Yes I still will do that no matter what, but I do need a job throughout the years of komvux to live

[vital crown]

It takes some work, but it's clear what you have to do. If you fuck around doing nothing, you'll regret it later.

You can get CSN, right? And you can't stay with your parents in the meantime?

Or is that not an option in your case?

I worked as tech support at Bredbandsbolaget for a while and then I worked as a teaching assistant and research assistant at uni.

[jovial island]

Not an option, idk if you get CSN but if you do it would be the same as the gymnaisum, only 1250kr

[vital crown]

Tech support at a call center sucks, but it seems like it's usually easy to get hired. Or at least it used to be.

Because it sucks, people quit all the time and they need more people.

[jovial island]

Maybe that would be my only option xD

[vital crown]

I mean, you can always do that as a last resort, or while you're looking for better options.

[jovial island]

I see

Thank you

[vital crown]

Better than living on the streets or going to socialen I guess

[jovial island]

oh wait...

if you've ever been placed in socialen and also have a prick in your register thing, can you go to college and get a job?

[vital crown]

Of course

They're not gonna doom your entire future just because you have a record

I don't think that info is public either

[jovial island]

oh okay good xD, thanks

[vital crown]

An employer can demand it apparently, but I have never heard of that happening at an IT company

Sounds crazy

[jovial island]

what do you work as rn? could you give the name in swedish? I have no clue what these stuffs are called in swedish because i'm 99% self-taught in everything through english

[vital crown]

Highly doubt anyone will ask you for it unless you say something stupid

Mjukvaruingenjör I guess

[jovial island]

that's confusing me a lot... what is civilingenjör, mjukvaruutvecklare, programmerare, datavetenskap? what are the differences?

[vital crown]

Civilingenjör is an academic title

You can be civilingenjör in a bunch of fields

[somber belfry]

civil engineer?

[vital crown]

And there are certain requirements you need to get the degree

[vital crown]

No, haha

Confusingly not

It's more like a Swedish-specific version of a "M. Sc."

[somber belfry]

ooh

[vital crown]

It's slightly more demanding than a masters

But only by a little

[jovial island]

okay so civilingenjör is a academic title, what are the differences in the rest of job/titles i said?

[vital crown]

Mjukvaruutvecklare and programmerare are basically synonymous, they just mean software developer and programmer respectively

Software developer and programmer are also synonymous

Datavetenskap = Computer science, it's the academic study of the theory of computation, but CS programs at uni tend to teach you everything you need to work as a software developer, not just the theoretical stuff

So when people talk about CS programs, or datavetenskap, it basically just means a uni program that teaches you to be a professional developer.

[jovial island]

So what should I aim for? What I basically want is to, have my own setup at home, working for a good company as a programmer, and make tools/programs (back-end with python, c++ java etc..)

[vital crown]

Studying datavetenskap is ideal

[jovial island]

so datavetenskap is like a linje in uni?

[vital crown]

Either a kandidat or a masters/civ. ing.

It's a field, there's usually a datavetenskaplig institution at a uni, with researchers in that field, and they also have "linjer" for people to study it, so the researchers and other people employed by the institution teach it.

[jovial island]

im confused, so if i choose datavetenskap can I be a programmer? I try to avoid maths

[vital crown]

Like, some classes will be taught by someone working as a teacher full-time, and others will be given by a PhD who teach like 25% of the time and spend the rest of the time researching

[vital crown]

Yes. Datavetenskap is the perfect program if you want to be a programmer. You can't really avoid math, though.

Programming is kinda mathy.

I gotta go pick up my daughter from dagis now

Ttyl

[jovial island]

alright thank you for the info!

[ancient whale]

@broken summit is there a py equivalent of DateTime.Now.ToOADate()?

[tribal tinsel]

idk what ToADate is, but

from datetime import datetime
d = datetime.now()
print(d, d.isoformat())
print(d.date(), d.date().isoformat())
``` take your pick

[broken summit]

no clue, i know very little about python

[ancient whale]

[ancient whale]

ToOADate*

ill pull up the docs in a sec

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/dotnet/api/system.datetime.tooadate?view=net-6.0

I just really

dont want to do it manually

im already trying to deal with uleb128 bytes

[round moss]

you need a library as far as I can tell

[tribal tinsel]

why do you need that weird thing at all?

[ancient whale]

builtin??(?)

uh binary file creation

someone figured it out in c#

[tribal tinsel]

https://stackoverflow.com/questions/49956741/convert-date-from-string-format-to-ole-automation-date

[ancient whale]

im tryna translate so I dont have gross subprocess calls

https://github.com/Piotrekol/CollectionManager/blob/master/CollectionManagerDll/Modules/FileIO/FileCollections/OsdbCollectionHandler.cs#L89-L157

also ive got 0 clue what TitleRoman is supposed to be

.bm #ot2-the-original-pubsta message

[nova ember]

Do you have experience with the differences between “datavetenskap” and “datateknik”. I’ll probably apply to KTH this spring, but they only offer datateknik

[broken summit]

is it ethical to name a problem after my ex

hmm probably not

it's a pretty name tho hmmmmm

lmao

i am not mentally stable

[hazy laurel]

same

[carmine herald]

ur on discord this is full of troubled teens ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

and then theres me, be scared of me i guess

XDDDD

[lusty brook]

dammit I keep trying to use vim keybindings with vscode

[median blade]

lol

[carmine herald]

i wanna know some of that ex story it sounds spicy 👀

[tranquil ridge]

There is an extension which lets you do that

[upbeat sandal]

Hello psycho friends

[tranquil ridge]

I forgor the name

[lusty brook]

yeah, but honestly I think I'mma go back to vim haha

[tranquil ridge]

same

[upbeat sandal]

You go back to vim and I go back to black

[lusty brook]

black.. as in an editor or the thing I co-maintain? I'm honestly confused on the context

[upbeat sandal]

it's a song reference

[lusty brook]

alright so I was thoroughly wrong then 😄

[upbeat sandal]

I couldn't not say it given that you maintain black. But I think the lyrics were referring to the color black as like... emptiness? idk

[lusty brook]

seems logical that it'd mean emptiness

[upbeat sandal]

We only said goodbye with words
I died a hundred times.
You go back to her
and I go back to black
She might be referring to wearing black clothing, but then it's still a matter of what symbolic meaning one ascribes to black clothes.

[broken summit]

i was dating someone and then i wasn't and i still like her a lot
it's not like. anything spectacularly spicy or unique

[carmine herald]

it's only not spicy because you don't make it so 😩

[vital crown]

Yes, datateknik is much more low-level/hardware-focused. Compare computer science with computer engineering in English.

Although looking at the course composition, this might actually be more of a CS course.

Yeah, I think at KTH specifically is CS and it looks like "Informationsteknik" is more CE.

Strange choice of terminology.

[sharp tendon]

Good Morning

[fresh yarrow]

I live inside my own word of make believe

Kids screaming in their cradles profanities

I see the world through eyes covered in ink and bleach

[hazy laurel]

took me a while to realize you're not insane

[fresh yarrow]

Cross out the ones who heard my cries and watched me weep

Dadadada I love everything

Fires spreading all around my room

The worlds so bright

It’s hard to breathe

But that’s alright

Hush

La la la

[hazy laurel]

bless you

[fresh yarrow]

Then I forgot

[hazy laurel]

my taste in music is getting weird again

https://open.spotify.com/track/4i7QbO97jhQWihsVIIQF3s?si=6923e9c5c7924a8f

I swear this is such a good song, but I'm pretty sure I'd have thought this music was really weird just a few months ago

[nova ember]

Strange. Thanks for looking into it. I’m more interested in CS than CE, so hopefully datateknik will be more like that at KTH, like you said

[pliant trench]

why don't you install the plugin tho?

[fluid plank]

im insane(ly new)

[clever salmon]

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[eager spruce]

Random question: Have y'all ever been coding and someone came up to you and asked if you were hacking

[sinful sun]

If people are walking up to you to chat while youre coding, youre not coding hard enough

[eager spruce]

Lmao

I've been coding in replit when I could and people would literally ask me if I was hacking

Someone asked me to hack a vending machine 😭

[sinful sun]

Who are these people that youre talking to that dont exist most likely

[broken summit]

yes

this has happened to me more than once

this happened once when i opened crosh on a school chromebook in 6th grade

[eager spruce]

Same

[eager spruce]

School kids

[broken summit]

ye

kids that look over ur shoulder in class

and see u on replit or in a command line and are like

aRe YoU hAcKiNg

cAn YoU hAcK mY gRaDeS pLeAsE

[eager spruce]

I'm in some advanced program and everyone in the advanced program uses replit to code so any student who isn't advanced would ask "aRe yoU hAckIng?"

[broken summit]

if ur using replit to code i doubt it's particularly advanced

[eager spruce]

EXACTLY SOMEONE ASKED ME IF I COULD HACK THEIR FRIEND'S TIKTOK ACCOUNT

[broken summit]

maybe like advanced for 10th grade

[eager spruce]

If you know how to code then it's not advanced

Replit is ez 👌🏾

[broken summit]

in other words it's not advanced

[eager spruce]

Yes

If I can make a 1700 line repl then it's not advanced

[broken summit]

like if i was talking about how there are four electron energy levels i can say "oh if you don't know chemistry it's advanced" but that doesn't make it advanced yk

[eager spruce]

Yeah

[broken summit]

^ ur name reminded me of this

[eager spruce]

Me when 3.141592653589793

[eager spruce]

H o w

[broken summit]

get it cuz

transcendentemy

the name of the emote is transcendental

transcendental

[eager spruce]

Ooo

Lmao

[broken summit]

get it cuz

uwu

[eager spruce]

Transcendentem is just one of my favorite words

Theoretically it's something way way way way way way wayyyyy larger than the universe...

My favorite word is quattuordecillion

[sinful sun]

Uh what

[eager spruce]

I am a long word person

So..

Idek if quattuormillacenduoquadragintillion is an actual number

[broken summit]

:uhokthen:

[eager spruce]

This is why I have like 4 friends

[sinful sun]

Weird flex

[eager spruce]

Y e s

[broken summit]

lmao frfr

[eager spruce]

Ez name change

I should probably be doing assignments right now but who cares

Why not learn 💫Ruby💫

[carmine herald]

so thesaurus and pretentiousness

🤪

[eager spruce]

Y e s

Pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis 🤪🤪🤪

[carmine herald]

well you get a brownie for at least being self aware 😩

[eager spruce]

Indeed

Lmao I got interested in long words because of Roblox. It's a long story

[carmine herald]

hanging out 20 min on this server can be painful like, audiophile communities levels of painful

[eager spruce]

Oh dang

That does sound annoying

[carmine herald]

go 3 messages without finding some obscure abbreviation or technical language 😩

[eager spruce]

Lmao

It's fun to discombobulate people 🤪

[carmine herald]

well tell that to your friend count

[eager spruce]

[carmine herald]

https://tenor.com/view/squidward-dab-poop-eating-booger-eating-dump-gif-21558188

[eager spruce]

Y e s

Such savage 😨

[carmine herald]

yeah im not a fan of very theoretical software people like bruh speak like a fucking human

😔

[eager spruce]

Lmao

I too speak like a fully functional human

TotAlly...

totally

My sister is watching Mickey Mouse Clubhouse and I am getting painful nostalgia

[broken summit]

bruh a monad is just a monoid in the category of endofunctors wym

[fossil axle]

Here is a screenshot

[carmine herald]

yeah speaking like that is when you know you gotta touch grass

[dim summit]

I want the output of dir() to go all across the page in lines which i can wrap, not this long column BS

or is this dependent on the python thing i'm using? This is the REPL in MU

oh wait I just found I can do it using print(dir(help)) -- is that the 'orthodox' way?

[rugged portal]

@rare dawn hmm i was thinking i could also update a json on the .py execution (sub execute c# console app) so i will not have to code so much in c# since i basically only need to see what the content currently is and not actively add stuff.

[tribal tinsel]

your repr is pretty-printed. my repr is one line

[round moss]

you can do print(dir(help)) to prevent the repl from wrapping things

[hazy laurel]

that's... interesting \🤔 that's not the same for me

oh oops

[dim summit]

these things must change a bit depending on environments etc.

[hazy laurel]

I typed ipython3 and didn't notice

[dim summit]

but i just noticed, in this REPL when I did dir() to see what's loaded, I see 'get_ipython' ! what's that doing there?

[tribal tinsel]

they literally said that they did it like that above 😛

[dim summit]

nicky they didn't notice , no big deal!

[hazy laurel]

oh I didn't even notice

[dim summit]

oh n/m i figured it out... this REPL must be ipython, and the get_ipython is a thing (method?) to show the current version of ipython

no not quite, it returns the currently running IPyton instance, not the version

ok it is becoming clearer to me

[hazy laurel]

Jupyter uses the IPython Kernel

[dim summit]

I am using Mu here by the way

[round moss]

Oh, does mu ship with a Jupyter client

That's cool

[hazy laurel]

that is indeed pretty cool

[dim summit]

just curious, no real need to answer here if you're busy, but if you guys need to do some quickie math equations / expressions but you don't need to super duper prettify it with LATEX, what's the drill you use to make it look acceptably readable in your python? Ya know x**2 and all that is hard to read

no i think Mu just uses its own stuff, it's much less powerful than jupyter notebook

[hazy laurel]

I don't see why they'd name something Jupyter and not use Jupyter

[dim summit]

I don't see Jupyter mentioned anywhere so far and it looks nothing like a jupyter notebook!

[round moss]

Jupyter is a whole thing

[round moss]

But I am pretty sure this is in fact a Jupyter client

[dim summit]

did that come from Mu? I must have missed that

[round moss]

No idea why you would lie about that

[dim summit]

I just started, I know nothing

[hazy laurel]

it came from your screenshot

[dim summit]

oh ehehe really

[round moss]

Talking about the title in the ss

[dim summit]

duh

omg i'm blind

maybe when i installed Mu it automatically detected the python.exe which is in my anaconda/jupyter installation or something

jeez i should rip out absolutely everything and start with bare install of Mu

[round moss]

Okay, so Jupyter uses a client/server architecture. This means you can run any language in a notebook, and you can run a Jupyter kernel on any client

Jupyter notebook is just one of many clients

Jupyter alone has like 3

And then there are a bunch of others, e.g. vscode and atom extensions

[dim summit]

i wonder though, if i uninstalled absolutely everything and then just installed Mu, would it be running some included Jupyter thing

[round moss]

And IG Mu is also a Jupyter client

[dim summit]

oic

[hazy laurel]

looking at the tutorial page, Mu uses Jupyter no matter your environment

[dim summit]

how interesting

[hazy laurel]

TIL you can't really install mu on 3.10

[round moss]

Yeah, Jupyter is super cool

[dim summit]

yes this mu installation says python 3.8.something

[hazy laurel]

Why does mu install pygame :faint:

[round moss]

Because beginners probably want pygame

[dim summit]

this laptop is windows 7 so i can't run anything after Python 3.8 anyway

[hazy laurel]

;-;

[hazy laurel]

rip. is the Windows 10 upgrade no longer free?

or bad hardware

[dim summit]

i mean that you have to have windows 10 to run python 3.9 and above, i seem to recall reading

and yes this is a rather cheap old laptop

[hazy laurel]

Windows 8+

[dim summit]

ok

[hazy laurel]

I was just wondering why you're on Windows 7

[dim summit]

because i can't bear to part with it = )

i have win 10 on desktop

[hazy laurel]

I see

[dim summit]

ok Mu working, REPL working, etc. i'm happy thanks all

[carmine herald]

i think i just got banned from a discord for insulting a.... fictional character in a videogame

🤔

do ppl not recognize the difference between fictional characters and real people

[fluid plank]

well people

[carmine herald]

yeah i feel like someone can dunk on a real person all day and nobody would care

fanatic behavior over fiction is as old as time i guess

yeah im making connections here lol nah i now think its perfectly normal for how humans behave

my ancestors worshipped a fucking cactus, rain, a cross, yeah i can see zoomers worshipping media lmao im the weird one for valuing the material human life over everything else

[ember oar]

Why is this so true lol

Actually the rollercoaster would be a bit flatter but still bumpy nevertheless for me

[echo fern]

doing AoC just rolls you downhill forever

[median blade]

lol

[dusky cliff]

lol

[median blade]

hsp

[dusky cliff]

dhz

[real forum]

HSCringe

[median blade]

hello

[ember oar]

Whenever I hear people say the problem is super easy and then I end up finishing it later than literally everyone else

or even finishing it to begin with

also just FOMO seeing everyone using numpy and me still learning how to use it

[green vigil]

Why is my front fan turning off when I touch my computer in a certain spot?? Should I be worried, or intrigued, idk

i have two front fans and ONE turns off when i touch my computers chassis near the fan, not even on it, just near it.

When I close the fan door, the fan turns off because for some reason, wen you squeeze the door retainer, the fan shuts off.

I'm hanted... /rant

[rocky nebula]

:kekw:

[carmine herald]

good bot lmao

[odd sphinx]

lop

[hazy laurel]

I'm stuck at the bottom

[fluid plank]

||pan piano||

[fluid plank]

youre a bottom? good

[carmine herald]

yeah kinda obvious tbh nya

[fluid plank]

get dominated

[carmine herald]

XD

[small cloak]

😰

[real forum]

Stop provoking starcy, they're bad enough normally

[jovial island]

old-man-brad

[wheat rock]

lmao this is so true

[sweet oyster]

damn you joe, why cant u keep some normal fake grass, why do you have to make the whole neighbourhood look bad with those disgusting strands of pure green real grass

[jovial island]

I have a 21.5 inch and a 24 inch monitor
now they have the same resolution, but a very different size
so if I move a window from one to the other, the window's size changes
what should I do to fix that?

I can't have a dual monitor background cuz it looks weird

[sinful sun]

Stack them vertically

[jovial island]

what

[sinful sun]

Put one on top of the other, not side by side

[jovial island]

that sounds

even weirder

[sinful sun]

I use vertically stacked monitors at work and theyre different sizes, looks ok feels better

Bigger one on top

[jovial island]

I'll... think about that

[jovial island]

measured the length

one's 51cm, one's 54cm

not so sure

[wicked hollow]

@light void I hadn't heard that "ham sandwich" quote before, but it seems like a succinct counter-argument to Anselm's ontological argument, and I love it.

[light void]

idk what Anselm's thing is 🙂

[wicked hollow]

a proof for the existence of God given by an 11th century theologian and philosopher, Anselm of Canterbury:
By definition, God is a being than which none greater can be imagined.
A being that necessarily exists in reality is greater than a being that does not necessarily exist.
Thus, by definition, if God exists as an idea in the mind but does not necessarily exist in reality, then we can imagine something that is greater than God.
But we cannot imagine something that is greater than God.
Thus, if God exists in the mind as an idea, then God necessarily exists in reality.
God exists in the mind as an idea.
Therefore, God necessarily exists in reality.

[echo fern]

the obvious counterargument is that if you define God as "a being than which none greater can be imagined.", you have a ton of work cut out for you about why such a being is also the biblical God or any other one might think of

[wicked hollow]

It's an argument for the existence of a god, not necessarily for any particular god

[echo fern]

sure, but Anselm was a catholic, so I have my doubts he grasped that fact and carefully didn't allow this argument to positively influence his beliefs in catholicism

[wicked hollow]

he was also a philosopher, and thought deeply about religion. I think you're underselling him.

Anyway, the quote that I was referencing when I started this conversation was "A ham sandwich is better than nothing, and nothing is better than God, so a ham sandwich is better than God"

I think that's a more succinct counter-argument to Anselm than saying "that doesn't mean your god exists". It shows a failure in the formulation of Anselm's proof itself.

[rocky nebula]

404 not found-

[pliant trench]

hehe

[mental idol]

hmm.. love a good refactor that comes out with a net gain 6 files changed, 114 insertions(+), 121 deletions(-)

[hollow heart]

before you know it you'll have 1 line of code :o

[hidden kernel]

maybe it'll turn out that we can cancel all the code in the world and wind this whole thing down

[slate leaf]

Oh hey my 2nd off-topic ever

I'm the old man brad

[radiant socket]

deck the halls with...geeks? @wicked hollow

[wicked hollow]

fa la la la la

[radiant socket]

🎄

[hollow heart]

that got dark

[hidden kernel]

there's nothing dark about The Great Refactor, where we pass on from the slow, unmaintainable, buggy code of this world, into the O(1), static, perfectly reliable world of No Code

let us come together, and recognize that our functionality is redundant

[daring jay]

https://github.com/kelseyhightower/nocode/ :p

[rocky nebula]

what is the exact 1/0

[jovial island]

!code

[clever salmon]

Here's how to format Python code on Discord:

```py
print('Hello world!')
```

These are backticks, not quotes. Check this out if you can't find the backtick key.

[frigid pollen]

!e py things = "ABCDEFG" result = [*zip(things[:-1], things[1:])] print(result)

[clever salmon]

@frigid pollen :white_check_mark: Your eval job has completed with return code 0.

[('A', 'B'), ('B', 'C'), ('C', 'D'), ('D', 'E'), ('E', 'F'), ('F', 'G')]

[frigid pollen]

@jovial island

[radiant socket]

you don't even need that [:-1]

[frigid pollen]

Fair point.

Still, I think it makes it a bit clearer.

Sure, zip terminates at the end of the shorter, but...eh.

Explicit is better than implicit.

[shadow pond]

!e

import this

[clever salmon]

@shadow pond :white_check_mark: Your eval job has completed with return code 0.

001 | The Zen of Python, by Tim Peters
002 | 
003 | Beautiful is better than ugly.
004 | Explicit is better than implicit.
005 | Simple is better than complex.
006 | Complex is better than complicated.
007 | Flat is better than nested.
008 | Sparse is better than dense.
009 | Readability counts.
010 | Special cases aren't special enough to break the rules.
011 | Although practicality beats purity.
... (truncated - too many lines)

Full output: https://paste.pythondiscord.com/kibowukoqa.txt?noredirect

[frigid pollen]

!zen

There's arguments for either.

Anyhoo...what's for lunch?

[shadow pond]

wot

[frigid pollen]

!zen

[clever salmon]

The Zen of Python, by Tim Peters

Beautiful is better than ugly.
Explicit is better than implicit.
Simple is better than complex.
Complex is better than complicated.
Flat is better than nested.
Sparse is better than dense.
Readability counts.
Special cases aren't special enough to break the rules.
Although practicality beats purity.
Errors should never pass silently.
Unless explicitly silenced.
In the face of ambiguity, refuse the temptation to guess.
There should be one-- and preferably only one --obvious way to do it.
Although that way may not be obvious at first unless you're Dutch.
Now is better than never.
Although never is often better than right now.
If the implementation is hard to explain, it's a bad idea.
If the implementation is easy to explain, it may be a good idea.
Namespaces are one honking great idea -- let's do more of those!

[shadow pond]

:/ where do you see all the commands

[frigid pollen]

To #bot-commands !

[fluid plank]

timeouts done, lets do it again!!

[wide totem]

https://github.com/kelseyhightower/nocode/pull/4625

I hope that gets merged

I think those features would be very useful

especially

[small cloak]

<@&831776746206265384> Reporting the troll going by double flusher in #help-pineapple

[somber belfry]

Please DM @vapid maple next time

[small cloak]

Ah ok 😄

[rugged portal]

Wow he needed a timeout

[ornate scroll]

nice name

[real forum]

You aren't funny

[jovial island]

who?

[real forum]

You.

You're just being annoying

[jovial island]

what did i do?

ok this time i did but first time i didnt

idk who it was first time

[rocky nebula]

who agree that 0/0 is 1 :3

[jovial island]

me

[rocky nebula]

nice

[daring jay]

not me

[real forum]

If you have 0 groups that have 0 things in them

How does that make 1

[rocky nebula]

idk

[junior moat]

nobody who has taken a high school math class

[jovial island]

git is pretty good

[hot sentinel]

I divided by zero in my py program and a black hole formed here in Scotland. It's expanding at the rate of Russel Brands Ego.

[jade bolt]

no worries

make another larger black hole to destroy that one

together let spam zerodivisionerrors in our ide

[hot sentinel]

Did you know if a Time Traveller goes back in time and touches himself because of anti matter it would destroy the universe.

[sinful sun]

why would a time traveller be made of antimatter?

[hot sentinel]

So you'd have to choose between: Becoming a time traveller and touching yourself! 😄

Joking aside, the same space cannot occupy itself in the same time

My brother is the astrophysicist. Not me.

[jade bolt]

if that is true electron will probably be anti matter as if one-electron universe applies

[hot sentinel]

I just wanted to crack a joke tbh. But the science is there, yeah

I write nerdy jokes sometimes.

[jade bolt]

but im not a scientist

lol

time to call my self computer scientist

[hot sentinel]

Fake it til you make it, mate

Better than impostor syndrome.

What's the topic? Git?

I've only used Git to upload some CDDA(Videogame) changes I made to the code

[languid osprey]

I've seen this otn so many times lmao, bot favoritism 👀

[jovial island]

Whoa a wild cataclysm fan appears

[hot sentinel]

Loved that game. Played it for about 9 years

[jovial island]

...and I've now proved im a nerd

Uh

[hot sentinel]

Got banned from the CDDA Discord for saying that the new Ghostbusters movie was rubbish because it was remade with all women.

[jovial island]

What

.help and

[hot sentinel]

For Sexism. I didn't say it in a sexist way, but they laid the smackdown on me.

[jovial island]

So they thought you were sexist

[hot sentinel]

Yeah

[jovial island]

Wow my internet is bad just saw your message

[hot sentinel]

I had been in their discord community for 9 years too, just like that, bam! Banned for life

Their moderators are way out of control

Anyway, what's the topic. Is it still git?

I can't face coding atm. Got a nasty cold.

I've got zero idea what's going on with this resolution bug in my pygame but I'll get there. I've never been one for just getting frustrated and asking others for help. I'm a big believer in troubleshooting yourself.

[jovial island]

jif or gif

[jovial island]

prefering ladies than male isnt sexism

[tribal tinsel]

It wasn't about preference, it was literally saying that the movie was rubbish only because cast was women. So it was sexist

[hazy laurel]

I mean tbh I don't see how "I didn't like this movie because all of the cast was female" isn't sexist

[hot sentinel]

I didn't say that, I said it was rubbish because they remade it with women. Lifetime banhammer, wham! 😄

9 year member. Even contributed code to the project.

[hazy laurel]

I was paraphrasing, but I don't see how this isn't sexist

[hot sentinel]

What Nicky just said was wrong though, the word only there is an important thing that I didn't say whatsoever.

I'm past it anyway. Their loss! ❤️

[hazy laurel]

um...

[hot sentinel]

They need me more than I need them.

[hazy laurel]

even if that wasn't your only reason

[hot sentinel]

One sec- I'll get what I said-

"The new ghostbusters movie IS shit because they took beloved characters that were previously men and made them into women."

[hazy laurel]

._.

[hot sentinel]

It's says more about someone who takes offence at that than it does me.

[hazy laurel]

I still have trouble understanding how that's not sexist, though

[hot sentinel]

Like, it's quite obviously the reason the movie flopped, know what I mean?

Because the truth matters.

[hazy laurel]

um...

[hot sentinel]

Okay, f*ck sake, you tell me. "Why do YOU think the Ghostbusters movie flopped?" Be honest.

The truth is important. I'm a scientist.

Feelings... actually, lol it would explain why I have so few friends.

The truth of the world, in all its caveats is more important to me than someones feelings.

[hazy laurel]

I thought the movie did really well, but people didn't like it because they were women

I personally thought the movie was great

[hot sentinel]

Uh huh.

[hazy laurel]

I mean you're kinda confirming it

You didn't like it just because the cast were women

[hot sentinel]

Okay, let's talk data. How did it do at the box office?

Was it a booming success was it?

[hazy laurel]

That will be fairly subjective

[hot sentinel]

That's convenient.

[jovial island]

Think we're conflating subjective opinion and objective data now

[hot sentinel]

Data is not subjective. That's why I love data.

Indeed wnb

It's getting ♨️ in here! (hot)

Hot topic. Should change channel name

[jovial island]

What does sales matter in the subject of sexism?

[hot sentinel]

You tell me why Ghostbusters was a massive flop

[hazy laurel]

I'm saying that the box office will be a fairly subjective because it mostly depends on the ideas of the audience

[jovial island]

I haven't really seen it as I don't watch movies much, but it seems you have

[hot sentinel]

I couldn't get through it all.

I got to a bit with the hot telephone guy

[tribal tinsel]

That's because the main target of the movie appeared to be sexist and made the score of the movie on many websites bad

[hot sentinel]

I don't remember much else of it

[hazy laurel]

So then... if you're not being sexist... What's your reason for not liking the movie, then?

[tribal tinsel]

You're basically confusing cause and result. Very bad for calling yourself a scientist

[hollow heart]

you are making sexist statements. i can see why you got banned. can you please stop?

[hot sentinel]

It took much beloved characters and changed them.

[hazy laurel]

to... females

[hot sentinel]

Ah alright. Change of topic?

[jovial island]

Yeah, to female versions, it seems

[tribal tinsel]

So basically the only change mentioned was gender. So it's sexist.

[hazy laurel]

idk, sites like rotten tomatoes and imdb scored the movie quite well

[barren marsh]

Can we please move on from this topic as mina asked @hazy laurel @tribal tinsel @jovial island @hot sentinel

[hot sentinel]

!topic

[clever salmon]

Off-topic channels

There are three off-topic channels:
• #ot2-the-original-pubsta
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Their names change randomly every 24 hours, but you can always find them under the OFF-TOPIC/GENERAL category in the channel list.

Please read our off-topic etiquette before participating in conversations.

[tribal tinsel]

.topic

[rustic harbor]

**What is your favourite holiday?**

Suggest more topics here!

[hot sentinel]

Thnx

[tribal tinsel]

Not winter holidays, apparently

[hazy laurel]

I thought she was specifically asking for the sexist comments 🤷

[hot sentinel]

California. I've never been anywhere that I felt more at home away from home, but it was in the 1990's

Skating, Snowboarding, Surfing.

[hollow heart]

i was, but yes i'd rather we move on as well

[tribal tinsel]

How is California holidays? Or did discord but and I got a different question than other people?

[hot sentinel]

It was incredible. The street entertainers, and muscle beach were amazing

That was the 90's.

I was about 12 yrs old

What about you?

Best place on EARTH

Go

[visual slate]

i suppose you can read what is as what was, nothing groundbreaking

[tribal tinsel]

Oh. My brain lags today after spending too much time coding weird APIs, this makes sense

[hot sentinel]

Are you scraping API?

[tribal tinsel]

I'm integrating one system with Jira

And Jira's api is convoluted

I was supposed to test it after coding it

[hazy laurel]

I'm convinced there are hardly ever any good intentions behind web scraping

[tribal tinsel]

But my brain basically stopped working and I had to sit on a floor for over an hour, trying not to think about work

[hot sentinel]

I came up with what I thought was a cool idea for an app where you scrape the google map API, and allow the public to upload POI(Points of Interest) such as "Nice Bench", and "Great ledge" stuff like that for a "Good Skate Spots Nearby"

Like, "Nice Drop"

It can be quite exciting as a suburban kid when you visit a city looking for skate spots.

[tribal tinsel]

Agreed. APIs are made for a reason. Web scraping is basically "you didn't plan to make this available automatically but I made a script that tries to behave like human, so I got it anyways"... There are some valid uses - eg automated ui testing, or we use spyder at work to see if our historical stuff has broken links...

[hot sentinel]

Wouldn't have to scrape. Other ways to do it of course

[hazy laurel]

you're usually either cheating off of someone's homework, automating something you shouldn't, or... well, I guess that's broader than I thought

[tribal tinsel]

There was also github page for Polish covid vaccine signups data. Because official form was very bad and you would originally need to go through all vaccination sites to check for slots,

They later fixed it to have location+radius and returned all results in that radius

But it was still bad because it was like few kms and then 50, 100...

[hazy laurel]

APIs are too cool. We need more of them

[tribal tinsel]

So the github page was still useful and then you just used the official website to actually sign yourself up

[tribal tinsel]

I love APIs but Jira's GETs are monstrosities

Jira is too powerful to have simple api. But at the same time, why do the tickets return values for all custom fields ever existing, not only the ones in that ticket???

Why are there urls for some icons in the api? Do they use the api directly to render the whole ticket view or what?

I was told to take some values from existing tickets as example. And then I'm hit with 10x or more content than I actually send to make my tickets

And the values I need are a string there, while I pass them as objects (json dict is js object)

I should check number of lines in some of my other scripts. This one is reaching 400 and I still have small todo in there. But I might need to actually make one more thing, which would require me to GET that big json for the ticket...

[snow reef]

I just sent out my CV to a bunch of places with my personal webpage as a reference. The hyperlink text read https://[domain] while the href was https://www.[domain].
Normally not a big problem, but I thought I'd check up my DNS hosting and there was a little "Hey! These A records link to the wrong place: Do you want me to fix it?". I had forgotten that I had started to set up web hosting on the domain hosting, so the "fix" was to send requests to their web hosting instead of my personal server... I deleted the web hosting service and re-corrected the A record to my IP, but it's a one hour TTL.

professionsal

Web Dev is ... far out. Whoever can do web stuff is really impressive. There's so much to it and you gotta be so on top of it... Least it's only the www that's screwed up.

[quartz aspen]

Is it ok if we call to talk about this?

it might be easier than type

[ember oar]

I can't call rn

sorry

[quartz aspen]

oh ok

its fine

can you elaborate on how I can talk about crypto in 4 different lenses

I wanted to do that but I dont know how to bring it up in 4 lenses

[ember oar]

so the topic 'environmental impacts on cryptocurrencies' could be viewed in four different lenses because:
A ) social impact - something that impacts the environment will in turn affect people, because the environment is around us
B ) economic impact - the sustainability of a certain cryptocurrency may affect people investing into it
C ) political impact - cryptocurrencies are an up-and-coming thing, and the environmental impacts on them do impact the government too to an extent

i'm not sure what the last lense is

but that's my interpretation of it

[quartz aspen]

hmm interesting

let me give you an example of lenses (aka perspectives)

social

economic

social

medical

and so on

[ember oar]

ah you have to do a medical lense too? I think there is a bit of a stretch but negative environmental impacts can lead to poor air quality, etc.

[quartz aspen]

The thing each paper has to be 2000 words so there has to be a strong argument for each one

whats another question we can research that would be easier yet still advanced

[ember oar]

each perspective needs to be 2,000 words?

[quartz aspen]

its a research paper

[ember oar]

ah

[quartz aspen]

we have 4 research papers to do

[ember oar]

Cruise Ship Industry & how they bypass labor laws?

I can't think of anymore at the top of my head rn tbh

[quartz aspen]

hmm

can you think of any questions or topics related to our slow transition from a physical to digital world

[ember oar]

The world-wide-web and its implications?

[quartz aspen]

The thing is, I also need you to elaborate on 4 lenses

[ember oar]

honestly my brain is a bit tired to be able to come up with them haha 😅

I have to go eat dinner now though, but if you're confused about the lenses you can cover in each topic, I'd suggest doing some surface-level research on a few topics and see which ones can cover the perspectives you'd want them to. Have a great rest of your day!

[quartz aspen]

ok thank you@

have a good rest of your day

[ember oar]

Thanks!

[rocky nebula]

now any idea what bot should i make?

[ember oar]

A news bot?

[rocky nebula]

news?

[ember oar]

One that gets news articles, the trending news recently, etc.

[rocky nebula]

hmmm

lemme try

[jovial island]

lol what you talking about

the ghostbuster and stuff

[jovial island]

Fisher you doing ok?

[hollow heart]

he ordered meatballs from a Spanish tapas restaurant

from a menu of so many interesting things

[real forum]

What tapas place serves meatballs

Only in America smh

[hollow heart]

just to make sure I wasn't being ignorant I googled it, apparently it can be an authentic thing?

but yeah still

meatballs

[real forum]

Authentic, Spanish meatballs

Very interesting indeed

Wait Mina who did your banner art again?

[hollow heart]

hmm

[hollow heart]

https://www.boredpanda.com/romantic-illustrations-hyocheon-jeong/

[real forum]

Thank you

[hazy laurel]

What on Earth are tapas

sounds Spanish

oh, I can't read. They are indeed Spanish

[carmine herald]

i have a question wat the fuck are tapas

[real forum]

Starcy I don't want your shitty, low effort, audio files right now

Sorry, but you're really killing the Taylor vibes

[carmine herald]

its high effort i have a condenser mic 😎

[hazy laurel]

I know enough to know that is not English

[carmine herald]

not for u dont listen

smh

[hazy laurel]

oh :(

[real forum]

Starcy I'm on my phone idk if I want to download mp3s that I can't get rid of as easily, especially since it's coming from you

[carmine herald]

phone discord not having embeded audio player is epic

[real forum]

Yea

[carmine herald]

why?

[real forum]

I could get out of bed and turn my computer on but

That takes time and effort

[carmine herald]

i just uninstalled all the crap on my phone except whatsapp

journey to touch grass

[rocky nebula]

hi

[elfin vine]

But Whatsapp is also kind of crap

When I had it for a few weeks it would drain my battery so tremendously it barely lasted a day.

[hazy laurel]

tbh I've only seen non-US people use WhatsApp

idk why that is, though

like nobody here really uses WhatsApp

[fluid plank]

because

in countries such as ours

if there is bountiful FB users, there is a higher chance they get an ad of WhatsApp

@hazy laurel also WhatsApp is crap

[shrewd lance]

WhatsApp and viber are both doodoo

telegram gang

[civic wharf]

it does nothing useful is why

[rocky nebula]

ok

[hazy laurel]

totally not fake

[alpine lava]

Heya, does anyone know of like a software that supports rfid, for membership

I have a small club. All i want to do is for members to scan an rfid card

And able to store some money on the card too

I tired making a small program, but I suxk at programing

[alpine lava]

I have no idea how to set up an sql

[fresh yarrow]

@rocky nebula

Let’s talk here

[rocky nebula]

ok xd

[fresh yarrow]

So

Yeah

Splitgate

It’s fun

[rocky nebula]

what is it about

[fresh yarrow]

Well

You know halo?

[rocky nebula]

no xd

[fresh yarrow]

Oh

Well

It’s like a shooter

And you wear armour

And you shoot people

And you try to win

So it’s like that

But with portals

[rocky nebula]

that's one person shooter xd

[fresh yarrow]

It’s mega fun

[rocky nebula]

and that's portal

[fresh yarrow]

*FPS and yeah

[fresh yarrow]

Yeah

Halo plus portal combined

Making splitgate

With different game modes

Like

King of the hill

Team oddball

[rocky nebula]

ok, do u play roblox?

[rocky nebula]

In the Hall of the Mountain King

oh wait

it's mountain

[fresh yarrow]

No

It’s

Bad

[rocky nebula]

lol

[fresh yarrow]

But the stocks are good

[rocky nebula]

agreed

[fresh yarrow]

Anyways

[rocky nebula]

stocks?

[fresh yarrow]

You should get splitgate

[fresh yarrow]

Yeah it’s on NASDAQ

splitgate is free

[rocky nebula]

bhre >:l my pc even can't afford MS paint

[fresh yarrow]

Oh

Lmao

I thought you played undertale

I’m on a laptop

It runs splitgate well

It’s better than my old laptop, 2 FPS

[rocky nebula]

nu, but ik a lot about it

[fresh yarrow]

I play it on Nintendo

It’s not as good as computer tho

It actually crashes your computer

[rocky nebula]

it actually annihilate ur computer

[fresh yarrow]

Yeah when I used to not play undertale I searched a lot up

[rocky nebula]

ratatata tatata tatata ratatata tatata tatata (megalovania lyrics be like:)

[fresh yarrow]

Nah

DadadaddDadadadadada

[rocky nebula]

zaggy soundtrack goes brr

ok, imma have dinner

cya

[fresh yarrow]

Bye

[rocky nebula]

ah @dire kindle somany fun time u have there u little mere human...

[dire kindle]

nah after 1 whole week of exams

[rocky nebula]

gimme ur day

[dire kindle]

why

Its worst

[rotund python]

Pain.

I wrote the code for pet project, quite lazily without any good testing coverage (or actually almost without testing at all)

Some person became interested to add new features to it

now I need to refactor it and to have it more testable in order to be give it someone else wtihout the shame

I mostly refactored already most of the stuff though. But still improvements are still needed

[wary dew]

can i spam here?

[round moss]

no

[carmine herald]

yes but ppl that give me their phone numbers usually are aware of me being a neanderthal while im on phone, I've made too many discord ppl salty cuz of that

imma just blame adhd

[rotund python]

Yay. I was able to finish refactorizations

the code is tested now.

What a relief. Untested old code in pet project became refactorized and covered with tests

A stone became lifted from my soul

Well, not really in full capacity it is tested though. But a way better than it was before. At least 50% is covered at least or more. I should attach coverage tester

[pliant trench]

I like this alias for shutdown

[slate leaf]

sudo go_to_sleep

[hollow heart]

ok

[carmine herald]

good night ig

[sinful sun]

https://github.com/nvbn/thefuck

[modern igloo]

hi

@slate leaf

[slate leaf]

I'm here, and I'm sure a few lurkers are too

[modern igloo]

I am preparing a presentation about the engineering profession

[slate leaf]

Alrighty

That is more of a statement than a question

[modern igloo]

I was going to say can you prepare for me

[slate leaf]

?

No?

[modern igloo]

I don't do :/

[slate leaf]

Then why would I

[modern igloo]

I chose you because you know well

[slate leaf]

Sure, I can answer questions you may have but I won't make you a powerpoint

[modern igloo]

ok bye

[slate leaf]

wow

[modern igloo]

😄

[slate leaf]

!rule 8 by the way

[clever salmon]

Rules

8. Do not help with ongoing exams. When helping with homework, help people learn how to do the assignment without doing it for them.

[slate leaf]

!rule 9 as well if you tried to offer to pay me to do your presentation for you too

[clever salmon]

Rules

9. Do not offer or ask for paid work of any kind.

[modern igloo]

@slate leafwhat do you do

[slate leaf]

Engineering projects

Ultimately my projects build things

What do you do @modern igloo

[modern igloo]

ok ok

@slate leafgoodbye

[slate leaf]

....good bye?

[sinful sun]

This is peak communication

[slate leaf]

Hi

[slate leaf]

bye

[sinful sun]

Goodbye

[vague shadow]

hi

@slate leaf

[slate leaf]

hi

!otn a hi-bye-channel

[vague shadow]

huh I wonder

!otn a 🎄

[clever salmon]

Bad argument

Channel name must be between 2 and 96 chars long

[vague shadow]

!otn a 🎄🎄🎄

[clever salmon]

Bad argument

Channel name must only consist of alphanumeric characters, minus signs or apostrophes.

[vague shadow]

Sad

[slate leaf]

Time to PR

[vague shadow]

lol

[slate leaf]

Surely there is a greeting that rhymes with Brad

[brazen jacinth]

https://preview.redd.it/2lnz8e9pep581.gif?format=mp4&s=654fec6273839acefca580bb74b219375d5c4ed4

[slate leaf]

Yeah that isn't really appropriate

[brazen jacinth]

aw

[brazen jacinth]

how about this?

[slate leaf]

Yeah that isn't showing violence

[brazen jacinth]

nice

[fresh yarrow]

on a scale of 1-10, how terrifying is it to see a title: "seeing a dead body LIVE!"

[brazen jacinth]

-5, enjoyable

[fresh yarrow]

that meme was funny

the video was terrifying

[brazen jacinth]

which meme?

[fresh yarrow]

the one you just sent

[brazen jacinth]

which one?

[fresh yarrow]

.

[brazen jacinth]

you know how little that narrows it down?

[fresh yarrow]

yes

a lot

[brazen jacinth]

oh that one

[fresh yarrow]

that was hilarious

but the video was terrifying

I feel sorry for the girl

[brazen jacinth]

yup taxes, like they say, 178% of it goes to government and 5% towards my income tax

at least, i think?

[fresh yarrow]

she had so much to live for

[brazen jacinth]

some what?

[fresh yarrow]

typo sorry

[brazen jacinth]

bruh you typo'in in that typo

[fresh yarrow]

grammatically incorrect but yes I am typo'in

[brazen jacinth]

k music gtg

[fresh yarrow]

laaaalalalalaaaa

[ionic locust]

@jovial island all help channels got set to dormant to fix the infrastructure problem in the bot, so you might want to claim a new channel if you still need help

^^ update, Bee just pinged you in a new help channel, so look out for that

[crystal sleet]

Hi, i'm new to the community and python, i'm asking here cause i feel it would be the less troublesome if i'm wrong. Where should i ask simple or short questions? like i'm doing the automate the boring stuff course. And i wanted to know if it's safe to use the pyzmail module, but i don't think taking a hole help channel is necessary. i'm not sure.

[round moss]

Help channels are more or less infinite. It's fine

You can also ask in #python-discussion , but your question may get overlooked

[crystal sleet]

Thanks

[jovial island]

hi

can someone help me ?

with a simple error? well not simple for me but i think for you.

[rocky nebula]

!otn test?

ok

not work

[daring jay]

It does work

but that command is restricted to mods+

[rocky nebula]

:l

modmail

[paper osprey]

@zenith lodge how's the project going? can't PM you

[zenith lodge]

actually good

have you had a chance to look at it?

I just pushed the last update

usually I push everytime I do something, even if it doesn't make sense, I just want to store it on github so if anything happens I could acess through github

oh I just realized, my pm is open now

[hazy laurel]

I always forget to turn mine back off after I DM ModMail

[carmine herald]

dunno i think ive only turned dms off when i went into the christian discord

[paper osprey]

No, I've had a long day tbh so I didn't really keep tabs on things

[zenith lodge]

oh I see

[paper osprey]

Let me know if you still need help tmr to get it to a sort of complete state

[zenith lodge]

well the things that left are few, but very tricky ones.
Now I am trying to make things a bit look better with print stuff etc

Yes sure

There are things that I am going to need help

I'll ping/dm you if you don't mind?

[paper osprey]

go for it

[zenith lodge]

Great

thanks 🙂

[paper osprey]

I've never turned off my DMs until someone PM'd me from this discord with some sort of discord nitro pyramid scheme bullshit

I was thinking "bro some of us (especially people who actively help! ) are in this discord because we work with Python professionally and couldn't care less about 'free' nitro, did you think this discord scam/phishing attempt through?"

[rocky nebula]

how can ASCII characters be colored like this?

ok @serene gull

here

[serene gull]

Trigonometry test.

[rocky nebula]

what's sin of 30.5125735152645761725675736515762756137162753561

[daring jay]

ASCII is just a set of characters, are you asking how to do so in a terminal?

[rocky nebula]

nah yes, how to do it in terminal smth

[daring jay]

there are various libs that allow you to do such

[rocky nebula]

hmmm

[daring jay]

I haven't used any, but I know rich is a very popular one

you'd need to do the bulk of the animation though

I doubt the server icon was made with code (especially due to the upside down 0s and 1s), though

[rocky nebula]

what lib is it

[daring jay]

!pypi rich

[clever salmon]

rich v10.16.1

Render rich text, tables, progress bars, syntax highlighting, markdown and more to the terminal

[rocky nebula]

uh rich embed...?

[serene gull]

I'm wanting to be a cop I'm learning hacking to help them if they need special access to a criminals house cams or somethin. @ashen veldt

[daring jay]

I have no idea what you mean

[rocky nebula]

why criminal hav house cam

[ashen veldt]

okay, good, now bye

[rocky nebula]

ok xd

[daring jay]

rich is a terminal rendering package

[rocky nebula]

HMMM

how does it works

[serene gull]

Cartel.

[daring jay]

has stuff like this

[rocky nebula]

lol if i'm a criminal i will use periscope instead of house cam

[rocky nebula]

:OO wow noice

[slim silo]

Do people accept interns who are just starting to learn (and go to college)?

(freshmen)

[rocky nebula]

i prefer fresh chicken

[slim silo]

No, I mean people in the first year of college.

[serene gull]

Cartels, drug lords, etc. has security cams on Wi-Fi, if I can get access to the Wi-Fi the cams is gonna be easy.

[rocky nebula]

does chicken go to collage?

[rocky nebula]

new game guys!! Lord Of The Drug

[slim silo]

I think you know the answer to that question, @rocky nebula

[rocky nebula]

ok xd just a bit kidding

[slim silo]

Ik, me too

[rocky nebula]

hmm, if enof experience.. my answer is maybe

[serene gull]

No.

[serene gull]

Your IP 123.456.78 Just playing just playin.

[rocky nebula]

why wifi cam, why not cable cam

[serene gull]

Idk,

[rocky nebula]

A...

[serene gull]

IT WAS A JOKE NOT YPUR ACTUAL IP.

[rocky nebula]

ik what's the caps man

[serene gull]

Idk.

[slim silo]

Ok guys, serious question here - any real reason for a newbie to use linux instead of just git bash in windows? I can push it to git just fine with git bash....

[rocky nebula]

can u know what's my actuall IP? cuz me myself dk it

[rocky nebula]

uh i use windows in windows, not linux in windows

lol nice emoji

[hazy laurel]

Well, nobody uses Linux just for Git, so...

idk, I prefer a lot of Linux... not just bash/zsh

[wicked hollow]

WSL on Windows is pretty great.

[hazy laurel]

I kind of feel like it's overrated, honestly

There are a few annoyances that break it for me

[daring jay]

Like what?

[hazy laurel]

Things like the mixing of file systems is kind of a necessary evil

[median blade]

its kinda seamless for me tho

i love the integration

[hazy laurel]

the startup time is pretty slow, and keeping it open uses too much RAM

[daring jay]

the filesystems stuff works fine for me

[hazy laurel]

having to constantly cd to /c/Users/whatever/ is kind of annoying

[median blade]

it is a VM tho

[hazy laurel]

It's enough to be noticeable when I play video games ¯_(ツ)_/¯

so I have Razer Cortex close it when I launch games

but that means that I have to endure the slow startup quite often

[daring jay]

ah. I rarely use my Windows filesystem on Linux so it ain't that bad for me.

[median blade]

bruh just shut it down when playing games

[hazy laurel]

I just said that's what I do \🤔

and that's why the slow startup thing is a problem

[median blade]

ah

how do you access external drives in linux

[hazy laurel]

and from what I've messed with, the IDE/code editor support still isn't that amazing

[hazy laurel]

you'd mount it

[median blade]

yeah so like

what would the cd command look like

[daring jay]

cd /mnt/letter probably

same way it's cd /mnt/c

[hazy laurel]

depending where you mounted, it'd be like cd /mnt/mount_point

or cd /media/mount_point