ot2-the-original-pubsta

[vestal widget]

ok

[jovial island]

Tweet deleted 😢

[fluid plank]

probably copyright

[lofty loom]

!pypi pandas

[clever salmon]

pandas v1.3.3

Powerful data structures for data analysis, time series, and statistics

[lofty loom]

https://www.toonboom.com/

Exploding Pandas

[fluid plank]

!pypi god

[clever salmon]

god v1.3.0

A simple printer of nested lists

[tawdry fog]

I would prefer it because then we’d have executables that don’t need the python executable in them to work

[steel eagle]

I'd love it was an option

Technically that exists with nuitka

But it's far from perfect

Which is why part of my companion app runs on Haskell now

[fluid plank]

oh haskell grill

[echo flower]

haskell huh

!pypi devil

[clever salmon]

devil v0.9

Simple REST framework for Django

[echo flower]

lmfao

[timid folio]

uk what is perfect tho

the all new gpu t-shirt from lttstore.com

[tribal tinsel]

Sounds like !rule 6 case

[odd sphinx]

sounds like a good joke

[pliant trench]

!rule 6

[clever salmon]

Rules

6. Do not post unapproved advertising.

[echo flower]

it's a joke....

i do think it's a bit overused and in the territory of spam now though

[hazy laurel]

they were already told to cut it out

[tribal tinsel]

Idk how "the new t-shirt from [url]" is a joke. Care to explain?

[echo flower]

oh that's a gag on how hard linus pushes lttstore.com

[hazy laurel]

They're making a reference to LinusTechTips (the YouTuber) who's kind of notorious for plugging their store in just about every video they make in a manner similar to what @alt account was posting

[tribal tinsel]

some "jokes" don't work without context

[hazy laurel]

I guess in this case it's more of an "inside joke" for anyone who's encountered one of those advertisements

[tribal tinsel]

Yep

We're not on that channel nor on similar parts of yt where we could assume people are familiar with the context. We're in text-based python-themed server.

I added text-based as one of the differences, because I know some people don't like listening-based media. I don't. I keep my phone on silent most of the time and couldn't watch anything without subtitles. Now I have automatic closed captioning on my android if they're not automatically included in stuff

[odd sphinx]

bro

if u dont get the joke

leave it

its that simple

[hazy laurel]

in fairness, it would look like an advertisement if you didn't understand the irony

[odd sphinx]

it would

but the irony was explained

[tribal tinsel]

Not bro

[odd sphinx]

before u say it i call everoyne bro

[tribal tinsel]

And also just explained that we're in a place where you can't expect people to watch tech youtubers.

I literally explained it

[odd sphinx]

es

yes

and its normal to not get a joke

[tribal tinsel]

It doesn't mean it's neutral

[odd sphinx]

ight

[tribal tinsel]

Another person also said inside jokes are lost without context, I just continued the topic with fullef explanation. I didn't put "i still don't get it" because I understood after first explanation

[odd sphinx]

well good for you

[tribal tinsel]

My coffee developed third layer on its own :o

I just drank, those bottom layers didn't mix at all even though I moved it

And sleeping catto

[radiant socket]

:O

is that 4k bruh

[pliant trench]

why do all your conversations have to end up with animal pictures

[lusty brook]

so cute 🙂

[timid folio]

that cat would look better sleeping on the cpu pillow from lttstore.com

[odd sphinx]

bruh

too soon

[tribal tinsel]

Where?

I have 4k screens but theyre not visible in photos...

Hmmm... The photos are 12MP, so yeah, 4k x 3k (I can only take 1:1, 4:3, or whole screen, which would be weird proportions, so I keep it as 4:3)

[jovial island]

I am both proud and ashamed of what I've made

[steel eagle]

I wish nothing but pain for you and your family

[odd sphinx]

suslang

great name

[dusky cliff]

lmao

[tribal tinsel]

https://youtu.be/bKgf5PaBzyg old classic
My sib reminded me of this because of some migrations they have to do :D

[steel eagle]

Rest in peace, dude was a legend and they killed him

He knew too much

[hazy laurel]

wasn't he like a lunatic

[steel eagle]

A bit yeah

[tribal tinsel]

Just watch this XD

"eccentric millionaire"

[hazy laurel]

Yeah I watched it a few months ago

[tribal tinsel]

He was actually a critic of McAfee antivirus after he left the company

[hazy laurel]

wasn't he arrested for tax evasion

and didn't he run for president

[tribal tinsel]

Yes and yes

[tribal tinsel]

He died (TW ||found hanged in jail, said to be suicude but his friends and wife says he wouldn't do that and that he was probably killed||) while in Spain jail, soon after extradition to US was approved

[hazy laurel]

jeez

[tribal tinsel]

Hm, according to Wikipedia, Qanon tried to get this death into their own chain of conspiracy theories

Or rather... Whoever run McAfee's Instagram (or hacked it) tried to? Apparently McAfee was also on "Epstein didn't commit sui||cide||" which was a thing in qanon theories, and soon after McAfee's death was reported, "Q" was posted on his IG

Which was deleted by IG and account got suspended

[hollow heart]

🤯

[odd sphinx]

lol

[steel eagle]

He 100% didn't do it himself.

There's about a 0% chance of that.

If you believe otherwise you haven't read up enough about him and the things he's said and done. And the situation surrounding it is way too suspicious

He has the whole $WHACKD thing too

[jovial island]

can i start a vm remotely from a phone?

(virtual box)

[tribal tinsel]

ye, he literally said that if he is ever found hanged, then it means he was murdered. nobody from his close ones believe he could commit sui||cide||. I hate stuff like that ._.

[steel eagle]

Yeah.

[gaunt jacinth]

@grim seal is it alright if i nitpick your brain about DNS records in about 8 hours? (got a referral from dawn lol)

[grim seal]

👍, just give me a ping in the morning, i'll be up for 10am my time since I'm in a lecture

[gaunt jacinth]

thanks man

[radiant socket]

aaaaAAAA

[fluid plank]

aaaaAAAA

[ember oar]

AAAAaaaa

[limpid kite]

18/10/21

[jovial island]

can someone help me with my school work??? I'm not able to do it

plssss

[fluid plank]

let your mom do it smh

[jovial island]

nobody at home knows

[fluid plank]

whats the homework? also your nick or username is against the rules

[jovial island]

Make a program that reads 2 grades from a student, calculates the average and prints pass or fail (to pass, the average must be at least 6)

I will change the nick

I'm not getting

I do not know

[fluid plank]

put resultado before the while

put a fake value 0

hard to type in phone. someone might explain it to u later

[lapis plinth]

when you calculate result you need parenthasis between (result 2) and (/ 2)

also shouldnt those if statements use 6 instead of 8?

also halos stuffs

im not understanding the point of the while loop especially if you dont iterate it also

[jovial island]

owww

thanks

[fluid plank]

i think this could be explained better if i mentioned about scopes

resultado is within the scope of the while loop because it is the only place where it was idk what term "invoked"? or initialized?. anyway since resultado is not before the while loop, it wont be printed outside after the while loop i guess

maybe global it. but hmm

oh well

[worldly harness]

aAaAaA

.randomcase aaaaa

[rustic harbor]

AaaAa

[worldly harness]

.randomcase aaaaa

[rustic harbor]

AaAAA

[worldly harness]

.randomcase aaaaaa

[rustic harbor]

AaAAAa

[ornate scroll]

lmao they use weird characters for caps

[dusky cliff]

yeh normal uppercase chars are not allowed in channel names

[steel eagle]

@outer merlin https://github.com/CodeBizarre/purple-wolf-theme/blob/main/themes/Purple Wolf Theme-color-theme.json though it's mostly generated by the plugin generator...

The language specific stuff at the bottom is all handwritten

[outer merlin]

So that's not been auto formatted at all.

[steel eagle]

Nope

[outer merlin]

It looks good... but it's probably not internally consistent to the space character.

Have you done that in a large codebase though?

Like do any multiple dev codebases follow that approach still?

[steel eagle]

I think anything using large json files in general is an issue lol

[outer merlin]

I should say multi person, not necessarily large as in character count haha

[steel eagle]

Also it's worth noting I don't do any development professionally at the moment

I've done some contract work in the past but it's pretty sparse

I would not identify as a professional developer

All my stuff is entirely hobby

[outer merlin]

fair enough

I was just wondering, because there's like multiple perspectives

Like from my perspective I'm doing things a certain way because I have a need

Also because like I haven't been doing this whole shindig that long, so getting some miles in my legs in unix is important

hence I make a lot of my decisions given I want to do stuff that way kinda

vs well you've got a different context

[steel eagle]

right yaeh

[brave pivot]

I just saw 3blue1brown's video on newton's fractal and I could not resist myself to try an program it AAAAAAA

[neat light]

3b1b is amazing

[brave pivot]

indeed

does everything in python as well

I believe he created his own library to do animations and such called menim or something like that I cant really remember

[sinful sun]

Manim

[brave pivot]

there ya go, thanks

does anyone know how to use it actually?

[sinful sun]

https://github.com/3b1b/manim

there should be instructions here

[brave pivot]

Oh NOICE

thank you

[hazy laurel]

38k stars, jeez

[sinful sun]

38k + 1 now

[echo flower]

i mean has more than one million subs pretty sure

[brave pivot]

yeah still pretty good for a python library ngl

[sinful sun]

4mil subs

Kinda low tbh expected more

Vsauce has 17, veritasium has 10

[fluid plank]

dude u watched it 👀

i am not really skilled at math but i want to be good at it one day

[fluid plank]

idc about subs really. content is what matters.

though content influence subs so i get u

[dusky cliff]

ig 3b1b's content is a bit more technical than veritasium/vsauce

[jolly barn]

If you want to use manim, you might be interested in the community version of it.
https://www.manim.community/
They have a discord server as well but I’m not allowed to post the invite because of the bot.

[magic atlas]

Caught by the invite filter sorry @jolly barn. We'll add it to the whitelist.

[dusky cliff]

https://discord.com/invite/bYCyhM9Kz2

[brave pivot]

this is a very simple code in fact! it's a cool pythin project

python^

[brave pivot]

ah nice thank you @jolly barn I will totally join

[fluid plank]

imma julia it

[brave pivot]

sorry... Julia it? xD

[fluid plank]

imma just use Javis.jl teehee

[jolly barn]

No problem ! I understand the reasons to have that kind of filters. They have a link to their discord server on their website, so that’s fine. 🙂

[fluid plank]

https://julialang.org

[brave pivot]

what no way

[fluid plank]

3b1b taught julia btw hehe

[brave pivot]

no waaay

I only know python and some c++

[fluid plank]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGojI9xcCfg&t=865s

:D

[brave pivot]

damn seems interesting

I actually started that video already I remember now

[fluid plank]

@brave pivot one of my favs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpB6zQNsbQU

[daring jay]

aaaaAAAA

a wa

[jovial island]

.randomcase aaaaaaaa

.randomcase aaaaaaaa

[rustic harbor]

aAAaAaAa

[jovial island]

I need to make it line up with the channel name

.randomcase aaaaaaaa

[rustic harbor]

aaaaAAAa

[jovial island]

close

.randomcase aaaaaaaa

[rustic harbor]

aaAAaaAA

[jovial island]

I’ll go to #sir-lancebot-playground

[echo flower]

e is superior to a

i think the otn should be eeeeEEEE

[hazy laurel]

E is even more superior

!E

print(ord("E"))

[clever salmon]

@hazy laurel :white_check_mark: Your eval job has completed with return code 0.

69

[keen burrow]

WOW

I didn't know we could go that low

hey hey hey, i is number 0x69 haha funni

[upbeat sandal]

aaaaAAAA

[regal jetty]

nice

[gaunt jacinth]

@grim seal you free to talk DNS?

[grim seal]

[dull ridge]

i do not understand networking

at ALL

[keen burrow]

nobody does

[dull ridge]

lmaoo

[keen burrow]

just some people can get a glimpse of what is going on better than others

[dull ridge]

so true

[grim seal]

networking is fantastic stuff, the secret sauce of the internet

[hazy laurel]

joe knows the secret formula

[gaunt jacinth]

so i have a domain purchased from hostingr and im looking through the records and i dont think i need all of the generated ones
(theres about 3 more pages of this btw)

[hazy laurel]

he can make good krabby patties

[gaunt jacinth]

the CNAME for evorage.com i understand i need but the rest...

are there any you see there that are needed?

[dull ridge]

yes

[gaunt jacinth]

im trying to un-complicate things and rebuild so i can learn as i go

[grim seal]

depends on how much you want to use hostinger services

you can run a domain with just a single A record, DNS and domain management has no concept of required records

the _domainkey stuff is for email

autodiscover is for email clients

[gaunt jacinth]

as in i could implement an email server?

[grim seal]

phpmyadmin is for whatever sql offering they seem to be shipping

no, they look to have one configured

whatever webmail.evorage.com is

[gaunt jacinth]

you have to pay extra for that

[grim seal]

imo I'd drop everything

drop all records, put the domain onto cloudflare, build from ground up

move to cloudflare and put it back

[keen burrow]

buy your own ASN, start advertising BGP routes..

[grim seal]

lol

[gaunt jacinth]

hmm, lets say i dont want to use cloudflare, if i have an A record pointing to my IP, what record do i need that proxies all requests that arent www to www?

like evorage.com gets turned into www.evorage.com

[grim seal]

cname on evorage.com to www.evorage.com, handle the redirection at your server (nginx rewrite or similar)

that's what we do for pythondiscord.com

redirects are handled by us, not cloudflare

[gaunt jacinth]

😄 im using a custom pure python implementation written by yours truly

[gaunt jacinth]

let me make a CNAME real quick

[grim seal]

https://github.com/python-discord/kubernetes/blob/main/namespaces/default/site/redirect.yaml#L5-L11

[clever salmon]

namespaces/default/site/redirect.yaml lines 5 to 11

nginx.ingress.kubernetes.io/auth-tls-verify-client: "on"
nginx.ingress.kubernetes.io/server-snippet: |
  location ~* / {
    return 308 https://www.pythondiscord.com$request_uri;
  }
nginx.ingress.kubernetes.io/auth-tls-secret: "kube-system/mtls-client-crt-bundle"
nginx.ingress.kubernetes.io/auth-tls-error-page: "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ"```

[gaunt jacinth]

like this?

[gaunt jacinth]

r.. rick... damn it, got me

[keen burrow]

...... that's a thing you can do

why did I never think about adding a CNAME there

[gaunt jacinth]

wdym?

[grim seal]

iirc *.pydis.com is a cname to pythondiscord.com as well

[keen burrow]

Like, using a CNAME from www.example.com to example.com

[grim seal]

yea

[keen burrow]

my peanut brain never throught about using CNAMES for domains pointing to the same thing

it would have saved me so many IP copypastas

[gaunt jacinth]

hmm, ah i probably need to wait for DNS propagation

[keen burrow]

yup

[gaunt jacinth]

what are these?

[grim seal]

your domain nameservers

you probably need those

kinda ugly how hostinger puts them with the other RRs though lol

[dim root]

ben eater has a good series on how the internet works, he talks on some of these topics

it may help you out

[gaunt jacinth]

ill take a look, DNS stuff confuses me

[lofty loom]

He had a recent video about the Facebook outage

[gaunt jacinth]

like i get its a way of mapping readable names to IP internet addresses but i dont know how it works properly

[dim root]

the whole internet is confusing tbh

[gaunt jacinth]

[dim root]

it gets more udnerstandable as you use it

[grim seal]

dns is just an address book, but distibuted

[gaunt jacinth]

how do records come into it?

[grim seal]

well, each record does a different thing

if someone wants to send traffic to a domain, they need an A record

but of course you don't want to have one single address book for every domain on the internet

it'd be huge and slow

so it's distributed

when you want to look up a site like foo.jb3.dev you start at the root address book

and you ask "where are the records for all .dev domains?"

and then the root will tell you the server for that

then you go to the .dev server and go "where are the records for all .jb3.dev domains?"

and the .dev server will give you back a nameserver, in my case cloudflare

so then you go to cloudflare and go "do you have the records for foo.jb3.dev?" and cloudflare will give you back an A record

[dim root]

joe start a networking server or course 🙃

[gaunt jacinth]

lmao please do joe

[gaunt jacinth]

in the form of an ip?

[grim seal]

in reality, it's more like you ask the same question to every dns server, so you go to the root and ask for "foo.jb3.dev" and it says "I don't have this, but try here"

but a technique called qname minimisation means that if you want to resolve foo.jb3.dev you only ask for .dev, so preserve user privacy

[grim seal]

yep

[dim root]

yeah you can mess with dig command (unix), dunno about windows alternative

[grim seal]

nslookup iirc

[gaunt jacinth]

so you ask cloudflare which returns the actual server ip to request from
and the rest of the DNS records are for other stuff like emails?

[grim seal]

yeah there are all sorts

A/AAAA for ip traffic

MX for mail traffic

TXT for arbitrary data and stuff like SPF

but it gets crazier

LOC for exact GPS locations

HINFO for host information

CERT for certificate data (e.g. pgp keys)

[gaunt jacinth]

wait what, let me just check i dont have one of those 😅

nope, but i have a lost of CNAME and CAA

[elfin vine]

I don't understand, I thought Cloudflare did DDOS protection?

[grim seal]

CNAME is just a pointer to another set of DNS RRs

CAA is a DNS record that lists who is authorised to issue a TLS certificate for a site

[grim seal]

one feature of it, yep

[gaunt jacinth]

you just defined something with something equally as confusing lol

[grim seal]

it's just an all around good DNS provider though

[elfin vine]

What if someone asks for the A record, gets the IP and then just sends a bunch of requests to that directly?

[gaunt jacinth]

cloudflare doesnt do that

[elfin vine]

That won't go through DNS

[grim seal]

cloudflare returns proxied A records

[elfin vine]

Ah right

[dim root]

evorage you are jumping around topics you are gonna get confused, forget cloudfare for now, just see how the dns works

[gaunt jacinth]

cloudflare returns its own ip which the client can request the website through with the host header i believe

[dim root]

then go how cloudfare does its stuff

samething happened with me

[gaunt jacinth]

will do

[grim seal]

if you've got a set of records like foo.jb3.dev and a CNAME from bar.jb3.dev to foo.jb3.dev then when you request any DNS record from bar.jb3.dev it will look up for foo.jb3.dev

[gaunt jacinth]

so its like a proxy from a to b?

[grim seal]

for example, when you go to *.pydis.com we tell you to lookup pythondiscord.com and give you the addresses for that

kind of, yes

less of a proxy, more of a redirect

[gaunt jacinth]

does that mean you bought two domains just for that?

[grim seal]

it says "look here" basically

pydis has 4 domains

we only use 1

[gaunt jacinth]

so the rest are CNAMEd to pythondiscord.com?

[grim seal]

yep

we have a couple of internal things on subdomains of pydis.com and pydis.org I think

pythondiscord.org is just a straight redirect though

[gaunt jacinth]

and the redirect is handled by the DNS records instead of the HTTP server behind it?

[grim seal]

most of the redirection is still handled by http

it's either redirected at cloudflare page rules or at our nginx termination

[gaunt jacinth]

so why bother with CNAMES?

it sounds to me like an either/or between CNAMES and manual redirect

but you said you use both

[grim seal]

it's not a redirect

it's if you want to copy the records and serve the same thing from a different domain

[gaunt jacinth]

oh so they all point to the same ip but you detect if the host header is/isnt pythondiscord.com and if its not then redirect?

[grim seal]

p much

[keen burrow]

Q about CNAMEs @grim seal, does the nameserver actually reply with "see X instead" and the client repeat a request for X, or the nameserver take care of it? I would assume it is the former, unless you use fancy CNAME flattening?

[round moss]

I think you sometimes get the IP of the nameserver you can getting CNAMEd to

[grim seal]

can do both

it'll minimum return "see here", but can optionally attach the results as well

[keen burrow]

interesting

[grim seal]

see:

[keen burrow]

that's cool

does the client attach any metadata to the request saying it is looking up because of a CNAME from somewhere else?

[grim seal]

not really, dns really doesn't have much metadata

it has a set of flags in the header that describe a few query options, mainly stuff like whether it desires recursion and so on

and there are a few answer flags like whether the answer got truncated and whether it was checked with DNSSEC

[keen burrow]

So it doesn't know this request for X is being done because Y has a CNAME pointing to X?

[grim seal]

nope

[keen burrow]

Interesting

[grim seal]

there are ways to kinda tell, if you use EDNS then a recursive resolver like 8.8.8.8 will pass on your IP address to the destination DNS server

[keen burrow]

Okay now you are speaking Russian

[grim seal]

hahaha

EDNS is the extension for DNS

so

you will have seen tihs

OPT PSEUDOSECTION is a fake section added in by EDNS

it's important for dnssec, as dnssec stuff gets tagged in there

but there is also an extension known as ECS, edns client subnet

dig +nocl TXT o-o.myaddr.l.google.com +short

for me, this returns 2a04:e4c0:10::76 because my uni uses opendns

but if I resolve that through 1.1.1.1, I'll get back a Cloudflare IP, because Cloudflare has refused to fully implement ECS and protect user privacy

[keen burrow]

interesting

[grim seal]

dig also gives you a param to change it

[dim root]

wdym by extension for DNS

[keen burrow]

EDNS: DNS, but it isn't the 60s anymore and it has actually evolved

[hazy laurel]

Does the E in EDNS stand for "evolved"

it'd make sense \😩

[keen burrow]

Extended lol

[hazy laurel]

lame

[grim seal]

dns is very rudimentary

you have a header that looks like this

and then you've got a set of questions, answers, authorities and additional

side note: dns uses the same format for questions and answers, it's cool!

questions, as you can guess, is "I want an A record for pythondiscord.com"

answers are "here is that A record!"

authority is "I don't have the record, but these DNS servers might!"

authority will contain NS records, pointing to nameservers

and to save you a bit of time, the addresses of those nameservers will be contained in the additional section

that is the count of each type in the dns packet

now, EDNS builds on that by adding a new section as well as those 4, a pseudo-section, in that it stores information regarding DNSSEC as well as ECS

[dim root]

DNSSEC is DNS protection from fake DNS right?

[grim seal]

yes, it validates that the response from the server is authentic by checking with the TLD that the response is signed correctly

[dim root]

i wonder how fake dns are made "injected" in there now

[grim seal]

so if you ask for pythondiscord.com and get a response, it'll include a signature that can be checked with the .com servers

BGP hijacks, things like that

the idea is that if you took control of the nameserver either through rerouting the IP or taking over a domain or something you couldn't sign the responses

[echo flower]

i do wonder how you compiled the program to cython...

please tell me

[jovial island]

What

[keen burrow]

Aka. how a North African country stole the youtube and Facebook traffic

[jovial island]

It compiles directly to C

[grim seal]

pakistan is south asia

[echo flower]

how did you compile ur language code to cython in ur python file?

[keen burrow]

Oh was it Pakistan

[grim seal]

yea pakistan tried to block youtube

russia did something similar at one point

[dim root]

that was exactly my next question lol, can dns server say no youtube is not there its here, come here like https://meetcircle.com/ (networkchuck's mr circle video)

[grim seal]

yeah, you can filter at the DNS level

there are smarter ways to do it though

most people block on the Host header for HTTP and the SNI field for TLS

[jovial island]

It compiles directly to C, I know C very well, so what I did is I open a file using the open function, then I just write C code to it, and I determine the C code by parsing the amongus code.
All the compiler does is write a C file, no cython involved

[grim seal]

https://dnsviz.net/d/pythondiscord.com/dnssec/

this is the DNSSEC graph for pythondiscord.com

every response is authenticated by a parent, so pythondiscord.com. gets validated by com. which gets validated by .

[echo flower]

nvm just realized

thanks tho

sorry for disturbing if i did

[grim seal]

and the keys for . are rotated every year in a key ceremony that ICANN manages

[dim root]

i didn't get what you mean by validated by .

[grim seal]

. is the root zone

[dim root]

ah ok

[grim seal]

it's the zone that answers where the TLD servers are

like com., dev. and so on

[dim root]

root-servers.net?

[grim seal]

the key ceremonies are all livestreamed and recorded and everything is sealed into evidence bags

yep

[dim root]

ah ok

[grim seal]

root-servers.net contains the servers which answer for the root zone

for technical reasons, there can only be 13 servers in there, but in reality there are well over 1000 servers which are anycasted

[dim root]

yeah i had read about this a few days ago

[grim seal]

they considered adding a 14th a while ago but it wasn't possible

[dim root]

https://www.iana.org/domains/root/servers

not possible in sense?

[grim seal]

so the original DNS infrastructure worked only around ipv4 addresses which were 32 bits

13 * 32 gave 416 bits in use

that left 96 bits left for protocol information

because they wanted to fit everything into one DNS packet

512 is the max DNS packet size

the reason for that is that IPv4 standard says that it must be able to reassemble fragmented packets under 576 bytes

512 + around 20-60 bytes for IPv4 header leaves it under 576 bytes

so instead of adding more DNS roots to the root zone, they anycasted the IPs

for example: looking at europe

or at London, there is an instance of all these root servers in a London DC somewhere

[dim root]

why doesn't it get reworked to support IPv6, wouldn't it increase the max amount of root servers then

[grim seal]

because not everyone is on ipv6

and there is a whole lot of infrastructure in the DNS ecosystem which just doesn't support all that

adding more roots just isn't really necessary

[elfin vine]

Is that the Fibonacci sequence?!

[dim root]

ah yeah i forgot about that

[grim seal]

by using anycast you are adding more routes and making them more effective, because the root will be the closest one to you, so while I'm here in Nottingham I get responses from the London servers but back home I get them from the Leeds sponsors

[elfin vine]

https://c.tenor.com/VCyzj75R4W8AAAAM/spiral-hypnotic.gif

[grim seal]

and the roots have... limited use nowadays

if you use a resolver like 1.1.1.1 or 8.8.8.8 it's rare that your queries ever hit the root servers

[dim root]

interesting

[grim seal]

you can get a copy of the entire root zone by AXFRing from one of ICANNs servers

so as a public DNS resolver it's quicker to pull that down every few hours

[dim root]

a minute i will get something to eat

[keen burrow]

Isn't AXFR for transfer lol

[grim seal]

yep

[elfin vine]

Good thing or bad thing?

[grim seal]

good thing

less reliance on things in a distributed system is always a good thing

[keen burrow]

Also doesn't CF own a root server

[grim seal]

nope, they help operate f-root though

ISC owns and operates it though

[dim root]

ok back, getting back to earlier, dns has max 512 bytes right and each dns ip requires 32 bytes so that takes 416 bytes, leaving 96 bytes, which could support a few more ipv4

[grim seal]

this is what zone transfers are for really, you want to transfer the root zone to you locally so you can query it

[grim seal]

that 96 bytes is for header data

remember the 416 bytes is just the ip addresses, there is still a header with a lot of flags and integers in that needs to be attached

[dim root]

👍

[grim seal]

I think it's possible to do so, it wasn't abandoned because it was entirely impossible, it's just that adding a root server is a whole lot more risk than just anycasting existing roots

also certain machines come with hardcoded roots through a hints file - so new roots won't necessarily pick up on traffic immediately, whereas if you anycast the existing ones it'll immediately balance out

[dim root]

So if a new root server would be created it would create a mess on the internet

🍝

[grim seal]

yea, just a lot harder than anycasting

[dim root]

so pratically it would never be possible

[keen burrow]

Would it actually create a mess? I feel like it should be fine, it wouldn't be in the host files and only supported by implementations that didn't hardcode the number of root servers, but that shouldn't be a breaking change, right ?

[grim seal]

it leaves less room for any future dns extensions and if edns is on then it barely fits

it's just more work for less of an effect

you get the same effect by anycasting, and every client on the internet picks it up with no configuration changes

[jovial island]

Morning all

[keen burrow]

Why does it take more room in the package?

[grim seal]

if you add a root server, selected people use it, it risks overflowing the 512 buffer (at which DNS cuts over to TCP, something ICANN do not want)

it's an additional record

the whole dns packet needs to be under 512 bytes

[keen burrow]

An additional record on what? Sorry, I am not following

[tawdry fog]

My biggest pet peeve has to be when ANY glitch happens on a computer teacher's first response is always turn off your computer and turn it back on, like that isn't gonna do anything when the issue is nobody in my 30 person class can sign into a website.

Edit:
It's even worse when the teacher asks us to continue restarting it until it works.

[grim seal]

the . zone takes 436 octets

https://lists.isc.org/pipermail/bind-users/2011-November/085653.html

this explains it well

adding a new root just isn't hugely appealing

adding anycasted routes is dead simple, requires no infrastructure changes (remember, for every root there are major changes to DNSSEC, the root operators, icann policy and more)

[keen burrow]

Aaaah

[echo magnet]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[jovial island]

What's the meaning of spamming a

[hazy laurel]

#ot2-the-original-pubsta

[jovial island]

Oh

I'm dumb

[hazy laurel]

ikr

jkjk

[neat light]

lol

[ionic locust]

aaaaAAAA

[neat light]

aaaaAAAApple

[nova ember]

Why com. and not .com?

[ionic locust]

Wow, 10 🍏 and rising! That's probably the most out of any message I've seen

[dusky cliff]

there was a message with like 26 🥴 reacts

||also #announcements message has 1.4k reacts lol||

[dim root]

#announcements message

even more

[exotic hound]

to inverse multiplication, we use division, right?

however i was wondering how do you inverse pow?

[hazy laurel]

root

inverse of x^2 would be sqrt(x)

[dim root]

or -{pow} to get its multiplicative inverse

[hazy laurel]

or so I think

[exotic hound]

example how to get back the number 7 from pow(7, 5)?

[dim root]

5root(that number)

5 is of this type: ∜

[grim seal]

com. is a FQDN

it's a weird concept to understand, but pythondiscord.com is actually pythondiscord.com.

a fully qualified domain name

it has to end in . to signify that it's starting at the root

[dim root]

even i was surprised at the first by that ^^

btw i forgot to thank you joe :akarys_heart:

for all that

[hazy laurel]

def nth_root(n: int | float, x: int | float) -> float:
    return x ** (1/n)

print(nth_root(5, 7 ** 5))  # Beware of floating point imprecission!

[grim seal]

if you look at queries that tools like dig generate you'll see it adds a trailing period if you miss it

[grim seal]

all good

[gray spoke]

I love the name of this channel.

[grim seal]

The DNS root is unnamed, expressed as the empty label terminated by the dot. This is most notable in DNS zone files in which a fully qualified domain name must be specified with a trailing dot. For example, somehost.example.com. explicitly specifies an absolute domain name that ends with the empty top level domain label.

from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fully_qualified_domain_name

[dusky cliff]

int | float is equivalent to just float btw

this PEP proposes a straightforward shortcut that is almost as effective: when an argument is annotated as having type float, an argument of type int is acceptable
from pep 484

[hazy laurel]

what

[odd sphinx]

yes

[hazy laurel]

I guess that makes sense

[dusky cliff]

yeah its just a convenience thing ig

[hazy laurel]

I'da never thought

[keen burrow]

That's actually pretty dangerous if you rely on some specific float behavior or methods

[grim seal]

yea

>>> (1.0).hex()
'0x1.0000000000000p+0'
>>> (1).hex()
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "<stdin>", line 1, in <module>
AttributeError: 'int' object has no attribute 'hex'

[keen burrow]

lol that's a weird looking method

Oh

That's internal representation

[hazy laurel]

Do you even need the ()?

or is that just a semantics thing

[dusky cliff]

its needed for the (1) case

the alternative is 1 .hex() (with the space)

[hazy laurel]

oh, I see

wack

[keen burrow]

Doesn't this work now in 3.10

[hazy laurel]

What's "this"

[dusky cliff]

!e print(1.real)

[clever salmon]

@dusky cliff :x: Your eval job has completed with return code 1.

001 |   File "<string>", line 1
002 |     print(1.real)
003 |            ^
004 | SyntaxError: invalid decimal literal

[keen burrow]

Sadge

[odd sphinx]

unreal

[hazy laurel]

engine

[dusky cliff]

In [1]: set(dir(float)) - set(dir(int))
Out[1]: {'__getformat__', '__set_format__', 'fromhex', 'hex', 'is_integer'}

hm

[hazy laurel]

too bad Python doesn't have implicit typing for stuff like this

or casting, rather

whatever the right phrase is

[dusky cliff]

implicit typecasts make me shudder

js ptsd

[hazy laurel]

def foo(x: float):
    assert isinstance(x, float)

foo(1)

\😩

[dusky cliff]

im not the biggest fan of implicit truthiness either tbh

[hazy laurel]

What is implicit truthiness

[dusky cliff]

the thing that allows you to use any objects in if-statements, etc

like if list:

in quite a few langs you can only use booleans in this context

[hazy laurel]

I mean it's not terrible

[dusky cliff]

forgetting to call a function and doing just if x.method:, then having it run without errors but giving unexpected results is quite a common mistake i've seen

and its not the easiest thing to spot at first glance either

[hazy laurel]

and this is why we mess around with logging and debugging

[dusky cliff]

@brave pivot @fluid plank my attempt, in julia

[slate leaf]

What the fractal

[nova ember]

And the . between pydis and com? Is that to signal that it’s pydis are the root of com ish? So pydis. and com., rather than pydis and .com?

If that makes any sense lol

Or why would you even want that trailing dot? There’s no other option, right?

[formal basin]

in the domain pydis.com, pydis is the apex domain (one domain below the top level domain)

foo.pydis.com is a subdomain of the apex domain

and bar.foo.pydis.com is a subdomain of a subdomain of the apex domain

domains are hierarchical

[sterile nymph]

Any jail python programming?

[brave pivot]

Wow that is an interesting pattern indeed, seems like julia is a pretty powerful engine, and the code is nicely compacted as well. How long did it take to compute?

[fluid plank]

faster than python

probably

[gaunt jacinth]

.com is a server that holds all the domain.coms (which is quite a few), so your request goes to that server and says "can i have pydis.com please" and then it returns the IP

pydis is an entry in the .com server

[grim seal]

it’s easier to imagine that there is something after the trailing ., the root zone, it’s just unnamed

so technically com is a subdomain of the root zone (hence top level domain), pydis is a subdomain of com

it all works the same way, if we wanted we could host a .pydis.com nameserver and forward requests on

the Wikipedia diagram is quite good

in that image, you have the root, the TLD, the (apex) domain and the subdomain

but in some way all those names are nicknames, a dns question packet is just a set of labels terminating in the root

[grim seal]

if you are on an internal network you might have a subdomain

so as an example, if I configure a search domain of cs.nott.ac.uk

when I do a search for something like “avon”, that’s a partially qualified domain name, so it will be looked up as “avon.” and “avon.cs.nott.ac.uk.” on our network, and I can SSH in

and if I have that as a search domain and look up explicitly “avon.” I will get no results, because it’s a FQDN then

[dusky cliff]

~1.3s for 100 iterations on 800x600 image

(i only timed the iteration part, not the image generation and stuff like that)

[nova ember]

Ah, makes total sense. Thanks for explaining 😊

[elfin vine]

-1.3?!

That's fast....

[dusky cliff]

yes it stepped back in time

[fluid plank]

ngl this is cool

share this in julia servr

make everyone happy there

[echo flower]

lmao

[tribal tinsel]

Old but gold

[echo flower]

i think voldemort would have been a better picture

[echo flower]

anytime!

[carmine herald]

bro how u learn julia

[dusky cliff]

the docs are good

https://docs.julialang.org/en/v1/

theres also a short summary of differences with python https://docs.julialang.org/en/v1/manual/noteworthy-differences/#Noteworthy-differences-from-Python

[carmine herald]

but i wanted to talk to a native

🥺

[dusky cliff]

a wat

[hot pulsar]

hello, whomst is good with yarn and wants to help me get a repo i cloned running. never used yarn and its not playing nice

i just get a Error: Maximum call stack size exceeded when i try to yarn start it

[elfin vine]

Look up the phone book for someone named Julia then

Easy money

[carmine herald]

do all julias just talk in a secret language then is it like back in middle school when keds were coding things with 's' or something

i wasnt in with the kool kids tho

[elfin vine]

It's pretty weird because I feel like no one was with the cool kids?!

I've never heard someone claim they were

[dusky cliff]

thats because the cool kids wouldnt let you hear them

[elfin vine]

It's just perception.

[carmine herald]

true

[elfin vine]

My sister is one of the cool kids, loads of friends and she doesn't want to be with most of them. That bitchy attitude and like "I am the best attitude"

But she doesn't think she is one of the cool kids

[limpid kite]

21/10/17           the-source-of-fix's-jokes          your-rabbit-shouldn't-quack        exploding-pandas-as-a-service
21/10/18           unironic-love                      chili-hates-geography              aaaaAAAA
21/10/19           Grote's-macaroni-fruit-salad       mint-before-you-push               wayback-machine-python

happens at 1PM each day

[slate leaf]

Happens at midnight UTC 0

[steel eagle]

it happens at 5200 each day

[slate leaf]

We have like 500 ish ot names I think

[dusky cliff]

we have nearly thrice that

[slate leaf]

Yeah, ish

[dusky cliff]

lol

[vague shadow]

149 unused, 1387 total

When we run out of unused, they all get reset to unused

[pliant trench]

How do you test ur code for dat?

[vague shadow]

What do you mean test?

[pliant trench]

I mean for this

[vague shadow]

Yea, we can test locally by only have a few off topic names

[pliant trench]

No unit test?

[vague shadow]

https://github.com/python-discord/site/blob/main/pydis_site/apps/api/tests/test_off_topic_channel_names.py#L94

[clever salmon]

pydis_site/apps/api/tests/test_off_topic_channel_names.py line 94

def test_running_out_of_names_with_random_parameter(self):```

[dusky cliff]

damn

[pliant trench]

Thanks

[worthy basin]

Yee I am Czech

[elfin vine]

Ah, yeah that's good.

Do you also have code to handle UNIX time in a 64 bit integer overflows?

Just in case that the universe survives longer than expected 😂

[jovial island]

Once we upgrade to 128 bit we'll push back the heat death of the universe

[fluid plank]

🤔 no big crunch

[carmine herald]

#ot2-the-original-pubsta mmm did that hurt

[lusty brook]

/me wonders if Kat has been called Cat by accident or even on purpose :p

[wheat aurora]

haha, most people seem to think my name is Katie or something. But I frequently get distracted by cats, hence cat-stracted

[lusty brook]

I know someone called Katie so that was my first guess too but I had a feeling that wouldn't be it, I'll probably be figure it out by looking at notion tho ^^

Cats deserve all of your attention so totally understandable 🐈

[wheat aurora]

The j9 is actually a shortening of my name

[lusty brook]

ooooohh right I almost forgot that, now I remember =p

[daring jay]

It's also her github display name iirc

[lusty brook]

well that just makes it more embarrassing >.<

[worldly harness]

IRC's /me FTW

discord /me is so lame

[lofty loom]

me

Oh so it's just Markdown italics

[lusty brook]

haha yup that's where /me came from, it really does suck

[worldly harness]

yeah ikr, it just puts _ around the message

but we have these :D (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

┬─┬ ノ( ゜-゜ノ)

[daring jay]

No don't put it back (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

It must remain upside down

[lusty brook]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[lofty loom]

┬─┬ ノ( ゜-゜ノ)

[daring jay]

[carmine herald]

CHAOS (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

[lofty loom]

Is it just me or do I have an unhealthy fixation on Google's Skia

When talking about playing with graphics

[daring jay]

You have a fixation, yes. Unhealthy, idk.

!charinfo (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻ ┬─┬ ノ( ゜-゜ノ)

[lofty loom]

I make up for most of the messages with the word "Skia" on this server

I've only recently learned dispatches are a thing

And I don't know what they do

[sterile nymph]

A meal

[unreal sigil]

@wicked bramble https://www.typingclub.com/ I learnt via this when I switched to colemak

[wicked bramble]

Thanks

[carmine herald]

NO WE KEEP IT FLIPPED (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

[dusky cliff]

what happens if i flip before unflipping

┬─┬ ノ( ゜-゜ノ)

[fluid plank]

i destroy u

[echo flower]

wtf is the ot name

distracted but cat?

[sterile nymph]

you appears in different forms?

[fluid plank]

idk u so shush

[ionic locust]

Abstracted perhaps? 🤷

[echo flower]

huh

maybe

[radiant socket]

I thought it said castrated

[dusky cliff]

[rotund nova]

https://youtube.com/shorts/zyzqH0qjsh0?feature=share

[carmine herald]

same it made me remember a spicy meme i got about that uwu

[jovial island]

Nice spamming

[jovial island]

That's a little different

hi

[fluid plank]

catstracted 🤔 so a word that means u lose your cat

or some weird shit im not going to say

[slate leaf]

Distracted by a cat

[tulip phoenix]

who is familiar with vs code remote dev?

[civic plank]

I probably would have passed out if I didn’t let out all that pressure

[odd sphinx]

bruh

whenever I lift a heavy weight (which isn't at all heavy I'm just weak) I get worried that I'll tear a muscle or some shit

[civic plank]

i fked my back up taking out my not-at-all-heavy airconditioner last week

i think it depends greatly on how good of a grip you have on stuff

[sinful sun]

but did you lift with your legs, i think not

[civic plank]

on the barbell u can have a good strong grip but stuff like air conditioners grip is all over the place lmao

[sinful sun]

did you squeeze the buttocks and lock in your elbows?

I THINK NOT

[civic plank]

definitely Not

lmfao

real life strength very different from gym strength

to an extent imo

[sinful sun]

SCAPULAR LOCK

[civic plank]

lmao

[sinful sun]

i actually hate deadlifts

theyre so hard

[civic plank]

i used to hate it, then i changed my technique and now it feels comfortable

but ofc its hard

now my most dreaded lift is the squat 😭

[sinful sun]

when i used to go to the gym they were the one lift that never got easier

i never had an easy deadlift day

i had days where i added like 10kg to my squat out of nowhere, same with OHP, bench

but not this shit

[civic plank]

yeah i agree. it is physically AND mentally draining

postworkout feels nice, as long as i didnt tweak something during the session

[jovial island]

damn, py devs are buff asf

[sinful sun]

pythons are thicc snakes

they gotta be, theyre constrictors

[civic plank]

thx lol, i am pretty smoll tho

been 180-185 lbs for the last 8 months lmao

[dusky cliff]

embarrassing??

[civic plank]

the last rep.. i got some looks 🤨

[sinful sun]

180lbs is pretty decent, how tall are you

[civic plank]

i dont think i ever yelled that loud on a rep. it was a grinder

[civic plank]

5'10 😦

[dusky cliff]

oh i had audio off

[sinful sun]

youre 20+lbs heavier than i am at the same height, thats actually comfy weight

kinda jelly

i need to fix my diet

[civic plank]

i dont feel too heavy or too light, i like maintaining this weight. But i know for a fact i'll stall someday and ill have to increase my bodyweight

[carmine herald]

and im sitting here at 57 kilos and still going down lmao

imagine lifting

[odd sphinx]

sure

[carmine herald]

become spaghet

i think neil dgrase said something about spaghet or whatever idk im not a scientist

[civic plank]

https://tenor.com/TgSo.gif

[carmine herald]

yeah that looks like neil ngl

[odd sphinx]

l0l

[tribal tinsel]

You smol :o

Do you want some of my weight?

[radiant socket]

I'm under 50 kilos

[tribal tinsel]

Smoller :o

I kinda miss times when I was 67kgs

My partner cooks too well T.T

[radiant socket]

I'm 5'5 or like 164ish cm

[tribal tinsel]

~170cm here

[radiant socket]

o

[carmine herald]

maybe, thats why i don't lift ez

also funny i started pandemy at 67 lmao

[tribal tinsel]

Wat

[carmine herald]

if i end pandemy at 50 im eatin a whole pizza

[tribal tinsel]

Before pandemic i was around 67. Or around 70 already because my partner's food is too good

And now...

[carmine herald]

idk fasting is fucking wild lol 10/10 having 3+ meals a day sucks

[tribal tinsel]

The only thing that looks good now is my boobs. But i cannot wear cheap cute bras now, I need to have fitted ones. Which cost a bit

[civic plank]

i did water fasting for a while during mid pandemic

did lose a good chunk of weight

i wanted to die the first few days i did it, but then my body adjusted to it

[tawdry fog]

How’s everyone’s day going mines going great! I just won a free iPhone 13! ||/s||

[carmine herald]

hehe bobs

[civic plank]

real

u should accept it poggers

[carmine herald]

ye im not fasting for days fuck that just been doing 1/2 meals a day and it feels gooooooood

[civic plank]

ive been doing 2 meals a day for several months now. my portions are pretty high tho and i dont track calories XD

since my bodyweight isnt dropping at all, im assuming that im eating at maintenance

[carmine herald]

same its just good im not restrictin what im eating

[civic plank]

food is good

i luuuuh food

[carmine herald]

just yolo eat whatever but fast ez

[civic plank]

[carmine herald]

life hax

i have become snug now i can sleep snug smug

[steel eagle]

What does a scam message have to do with pog players?

[hollow heart]

@sinful sun @slate leaf so guess what, i found out from CEO that my assessment and reasoning was correct. he'll be talking to the COO and basically telling him that i was right

[tribal tinsel]

WHY DID I HAVE A WASP IN MY ROOM

IT'S SECOND HALF OF OCTOBER

[slate leaf]

Ayyyy that's awesome!

[hollow heart]

when do i get to the point that i can say this to COO directly without him snapping back at me lol

[limpid kite]

is xe a word?

[keen burrow]

sure is

[limpid kite]

is it?

how do you pronounce it, ks;?

[sinful sun]

Zee?

[buoyant hawk]

uytfd

[slate leaf]

When you also have a 3 letter title I think

[hollow heart]

my name is 4 letters

so can't that count

[tribal tinsel]

In English, x at the beginning of the word gets pronounced as z.
xe /zi/

Although Wiktionary says it can be pronounces as ksi https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/xe

[lapis plinth]

you dont say ksieno you say zeno :scuffedpepeemoji:

[dull spruce]

i got muted last night for a hour for saying "egg."

[lapis plinth]

you mean spamming egg

[frigid pollen]

Xmas.

Not a real word. I know. 😁

[mental idol]

Picked a random test project to revisit my desire for easier loading of dataclasses used to model API json responses. Think I've found my quick-and-simple solution. Doesn't care about types, still respects the dataclass field defaults. And better than my soilboiled solution, it doesn't mask the signature of the dataclass.
https://github.com/Preocts/pypiapi/blob/main/src/pypiapi/util_curator.py

Sometimes middle of the week play yields cool things.

[jovial island]

dead chat lol'

[mental idol]

not dead. Gathering power.

[jovial island]

hello

[dusky cliff]

nice

[fiery glen]

Does anyone have good ideas for HTML projects? I’m a beginner ^^

[tribal tinsel]

X is pronounced as letter here, ex-mas. :P

[frigid pollen]

Such is my point.

[dusky cliff]

zissmas

[fluid plank]

Dissmas

[fluid plank]

make HTML turing complete

[median blade]

bruh

[carmine herald]

thats a weird way to say HAPPY HOLIDAYS

[fiery glen]

Ah I’ll try :D
Thank you (and sorry for the late response)!

Wait what do you mean by that-

[odd sphinx]

lol

[fiery glen]

👀

[echo flower]

that was a joke

i dont think that's even possible

[fiery glen]

Yeah I was confused for a bit 0^0💧

[echo flower]

try making yourself a blog

[fiery glen]

Oh that’s a good idea!

Thank you ^^

[echo flower]

yw :)

[fiery glen]

I could make Walmart Google with this guide:
https://developers.google.com/custom-search/docs/tutorial/introduction

Sadly I don’t know JS (yet)

[echo flower]

learn css would be my idea

css imo is torture because im so bad at it
literally everybody else says it''s easy tho

[pliant trench]

ppl make 3d animations using css only hm

[manic geyser]

https://youtu.be/1ZlscdmtqOE

[dim root]

Is there any guide to get started writing a rust library(client library like reddit client, or tweepy), including setting up CI for linting/formatting/testing and stuff

[echo flower]

wtf

why.

you monster

[jovial island]

Lol not sure thats possible without using <script>

[hidden kernel]

it with CSS

[jovial island]

Oh yeah CSS is Turing compete

Complete

[jovial island]

#discord-bots

[regal jetty]

hey

[tardy stag]

did you try the thing someone posted in a comment here https://askubuntu.com/questions/1275981/how-to-disable-fast-boot-when-bios-is-inaccessible

removing all the bootable drives so it is forced to load BIOS options?

[mint lodge]

Yeah, that was my suggestion

[regal jetty]

hm okay

[mint lodge]

I dont think my cpu (i5 10500) has integrated graphics
It does

[simple pecan]

this could be some sort of graphics issue as well as someone pointed out

^^

[mint lodge]

Regardless, is your Linux distro installed on a SATA SSD?

If so, just remove the SATA cable from the SSD and try to boot up the PC

[regal jetty]

okay so lots of things here, ill try in this order and say how it goes:
a) connecting hdmi into mobo not gpu
b) taking out cmos battery
c) removing drive

[mint lodge]

A will (probably) only work if you remove the discrete GPU first

B may work

C will work

[regal jetty]

i dont know how the linux partitioning works, so ill speak in windows. I have a C: with 100mb which is what I boot of (i think) its the fast one, D: has a terabyte

okay im unscrewing my gpu

[mint lodge]

It works similarly, you'll have an EFI partition that the BIOS will point at and say "boot from this" and the EFI partition has instructions to access the ext4 Linux system

The point here is you should try to remove the SATA cables connected to the drives before any of that other stuff

[regal jetty]

removed gpu, im booting up

oh ello

it worked!

[mint lodge]

Yeah figured that would work

Nice job

[regal jetty]

thanks! how do I make it work with my gpu now?

[mint lodge]

To display BIOS? No idea why it's having issues. It could be a lot of reasons. I would update to the latest BIOS if it's not already.

[tardy stag]

https://linustechtips.com/topic/1084924-no-signal-in-bios-with-nvidia-gpu-but-i-can-access-with-igpu/

[mint lodge]

In any case, remove the fast startup option if that's what you think the problem is

[tardy stag]

fastboot can cause this apparently

[mint lodge]

^

[regal jetty]

yeah, I thought I had fastboot which is why I was tryna clear cmos

how do I disable fastboot in bios is the next step

[mint lodge]

FastBoot is usually defaulted, so it might not help to clear the CMOS anyway

It should be in the manual I linked

[regal jetty]

stuck on this

[regal jetty]

Okay

[mint lodge]

I thought you said you were running Linux

[tardy stag]

that is manjaro logo...

[mint lodge]

Is it?

[steel eagle]

Your first problem is using something arch based

[mint lodge]

Nice

I haven't ran arch stuff in years

[steel eagle]

Your second problem is using the worst possible arch based distro that amplifies problems and breakages by breaking things more and their own way

[mint lodge]

I just see spinning dots and think "wow I work with Windows every day of my life"

[mint lodge]

Go off

[regal jetty]

manjaro is an arched base linux distro

[regal jetty]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[mint lodge]

Yes we've established that my brain is major smooth

[regal jetty]

disable link?

should I stick my gpu back in and see what happens

[mint lodge]

What are the options it gives you?

[regal jetty]

disable link, enabled, ultra fast

its gotta be disable link

[tardy stag]

what was it on before?

[regal jetty]

disable link, I havent changed anything

[mint lodge]

Check to see that this option is defaulted

[regal jetty]

what?

oh I see

im navigting to io ports

which do I choose

between igfx and pcle

[mint lodge]

PCIe slot 1

[regal jetty]

pcle

[mint lodge]

As default

[regal jetty]

its already that

[mint lodge]

Okay, so that's not the issue

[tardy stag]

wait your grub isn't showing a menu?

[regal jetty]

yeah i guess

[tardy stag]

that sounds like something you can configure

[regal jetty]

no, I dont change the =none to =menu, ive tried changing grub crap for the past 3 days

i did all sorts of stuff like linux bootsplash manager, and plymouth, and grub and stuff

[tardy stag]

what problem are you having that you are trying to solve, btw? what isn't working?

[mint lodge]

Well apparently you're

using the worst possible arch based distro that amplifies problems and breakages by breaking things more and their own way

Linux elitists, I swear

[regal jetty]

I wanna dual boot with windows, but without any visual display, I cant

im going to put my gpu in and try again

[tardy stag]

you need either 1. grub to show a menu 2. enter bios boot options yourself

[mint lodge]

My preference is grub

[tardy stag]

i guess you're trying option 2 now

[regal jetty]

everyone gets so touchy about their distro, like, cool…you downloaded an iso and booted off off it

[mint lodge]

Because someone can come along and trip your CMOS and make your life hard

[mint lodge]

They were being a dick, which is passably funny because they came to a help channel to do it

What insight @steel eagle

[tardy stag]

this isn't a help channel, its just off topic, remember?

[mint lodge]

Are we going to debate what is and isn't a channel type and the rules surrounding channels again

We can invite that other guy

[tardy stag]

no, its fine

😉

[mint lodge]

Lmao

[tardy stag]

do you have 2 versions of grub and you're modifying the wrong one or smth? why isn't your grub showing a menu?

[regal jetty]

idk but i think somethings working

i plugged in my bootsble usb

i managed to make it boot onto windows

[tardy stag]

how? Grub option on the usb? Is that even a thing? is bios suddenly working?

we need more details

[regal jetty]

where should I install it

[regal jetty]

its magically showing output

i unplugged the gpu and plugged it back in and apparently it works

or maybe it was on fast boot and i accidentally disabled it

idk whats happened here but its a miracle

literally, dont ask me, i dont have a clue how or why

[tardy stag]

are you using the same drive for the dual boot?

if you are you will need to reinstall/reconfigure grub after installing windows

it messes with things, and also you will want windows to be a grub option

[regal jetty]

i dont have a clue

im lost right now i wont lie

[tardy stag]

do you have one drive or 2?

[regal jetty]

2, a c: with 100mb and a d: with 1gb

im gonna select the 810gb option

replace mb with gb above ^^^

1t terabyte

[tardy stag]

is there data on that drive already?

[regal jetty]

im not being very clear here

[tardy stag]

where is your linux installed?

[regal jetty]

on the D:, no

[regal jetty]

C: i reckon

[mint lodge]

So we're installing Windows now