I'm fine with some progress bars that aren't the main attention and slid up at the top that can be ignored, but that main thing? nononono
#ot2-the-original-pubsta
daring jay
cyan vine
Christian Heilmann re-purposes a Mitch Hedberg observation to relate to progressive enhancement. Basically, when an elevator fails, it's useless. When an escalator fails, it becomes stairs. We should be building escalators, not elevators.
nice quote
steep scroll
I mostly work on webapps so if someone has JS disabled they can't even use the main attraction
daring jay
> Christian Heilmann re-purposes a Mitch Hedberg observation to relate to progre...
This is genius
rapid zinc
$(textentries).find('press-multilevel-menu').each(function () {
$(this).find('navs').find('nav').each(function () {
if ($(this).attr('visible') == 'true') {
menu_part_2 += '<li class="sub-menu-li"><a href="' + $(this).attr('url') + '" target="_blank" style="font-size:' + $(this).attr('size') + 'px;">' + $(this).text() + '</a> </li>';
}
});
}); //End Loop
menu_part_3 = '</ul></li>';
menu_part_4 = menu_part_1 + menu_part_2 + menu_part_3;
.bm
wide totem
discord has a progress bar ;-;
daring jay
discord has a progress bar ;-;
Discord is an app that needs to set you up with websockets and connect to their servers, not some random web app
steep scroll
discord has a progress bar ;-;
That does a bunch of loads and is excusable
wide totem
oh god even worse its defaults to a youtube video
like, you couldn't load while the person watches?!
wide totem
Discord is an app that needs to set you up with websockets and connect to their ...
ah, true
but updating the local client at start every single time isn't
steep scroll
discord has a progress bar ;-;
https://blog.discord.com/how-discord-stores-billions-of-messages-7fa6ec7ee4c7 Discord now uses Scylla but the process is the same, there's a lot of searching when loading Discord and loading images
wide totem
i have a list of 50+ problems with discord written by another member here
rapid zinc
steep scroll
https://stackshare.io/discord/discord sadly we don't get a whole lot of information on what they use, this site doesn't even show Erland and Elixir smh
rapid zinc
steep scroll
Nice Qxir
daring jay
https://stackshare.io/discord/discord sadly we don't get a whole lot of informat...
Nor does it show Rust
languid osprey
Ruust?
steep scroll
Nor does it show Rust
I don't think they use Rust, do they?
languid osprey
I like rust
rapid zinc
They do
steep scroll
Rust is fun
daring jay
I don't think they use Rust, do they?
steep scroll
Nice
languid osprey
imo the universe should be rewritten in rust
rapid zinc
It's used in their video streaming encoder and in their backend in places
languid osprey
https://blog.discord.com/why-discord-is-switching-from-go-to-rust-a190bbca2b1f
oooooh yees
fuck go
steep scroll
Didn't know they used Go, good to see them leaving it
languid osprey
rust ftw
daring jay
Woah, Firefox dev edition is niiiice
wide totem
Woah, Firefox dev edition is niiiice
is that the same as nightly
steep scroll
Ouh gotta check that out
limpid fern
how did I not hear about this?
Hearing loss is never easy
rapid zinc
ASDF
daring jay
Ooh, it has inactive CSS stuff, CSS grid stuff, and other cool stuff
steep scroll
🤤
wide totem
I currently use https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/channel/desktop/#nightly but rn getting dev edition
steep scroll
Cool blue logo too just as a bonus
wide totem
even tho i don't webdev
daring jay
Nightly is more green than dev
steep scroll
nightly is blue too
Yeah but nightly is too on the edge and can be confused with Edge
daring jay
https://www.thewindowsclub.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/Firefox-Beta-Developer-Nightly-Edition.png
wide totem
yeah that's good
i use as much alpha as i can
then complain about it when it breaks
and never make bug reports
i am a perfect beta tester
daring jay
Woah, Svelte is nice
daring jay
i use as much alpha as i can
Nightly is more alpha than Dev
Dev is slightly behind Nightly
wide totem
figured
steep scroll
Svelte is very nice, but I still feel a little conflicted when using it
daring jay
Why?
wide totem
what is svelte
steep scroll
I love React
daring jay
A JS framework that renders to the Real DOM instead of a VDOM
steep scroll
VDOM is faster to check before real DOM
daring jay
VDOM is faster to check before real DOM
Not with the optimizations that Svelte does
steep scroll
Yeah, but it's not that much of a big deal
wide totem
Why?
dev is for developers
You don't want the bleeding edge, since you want to be able to actually test your projects. You want a browser that doesn't have multiple updates a day, since at some point, when is it a browser bug vs your own project bug
nightly can be bleeding edge.
steep scroll
Do need to use it more
daring jay
dev is for developers
You don't want the bleeding edge, since you want to be abl...
I was asking Zoë lol
daring jay
Yeah, but it's not that much of a big deal
True
I just like Svelte's syntax
I use a mix of Next and Svelte
clever salmonBOT
:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied mute to @copper girder until 2021-06-05 01:15 (9 minutes and 59 seconds) (reason: chars rule: sent 4000 characters in 5s).
steep scroll
What an idiot doing it in a channel with active staff
clever salmonBOT
:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied mute to @cunning hull until 2021-06-05 01:15 (9 minutes and 59 seconds) (reason: duplicates rule: sent 4 duplicated messages in 10s).
wide totem
<@&831776746206265384> <@&267628507062992896> another raid?
cyan vine
@grim seal possible raid?
native pebble
the confederate flag
wide totem
yep
upbeat sandal
god damn it
wide totem
wait
native pebble
brilliant isin't it
daring jay
Well, have a good day y'all
upbeat sandal
!ban 565619583214419978 racism
clever salmonBOT
:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied ban to @native pebble permanently.
cyan vine
so edgy
magic atlas
!silence
clever salmonBOT
✅ silenced current channel for 10 minute(s).
upbeat sandal
!ban 431579706165428236 racism
clever salmonBOT
:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied ban to @cunning hull permanently.
clever salmonBOT
✅ unsilenced current channel.
wheat aurora
Yeah that was all I guess
wide totem
I guess that was all...?
could you please delete them?
wheat aurora
weird
upbeat sandal
https://canary.discord.com/channels/267624335836053506/463035268514185226/850540...
Mods get a ping in a mod-only channel when someone is auto muted, so we already knew about that person.
limber pollen
That was pathetic
jovial island
you know, after thinking about it for a while I honestly don't wanna score a job related to any kind of programming at all
steep scroll
Yeah, they barely put any effort into it
trail nymph
coulda done a funnier raid
wide totem
wow, the fact that we're literally talking about how bad the raid was 😂
upbeat sandal
coulda done a funnier raid
I dunno, posting the flag of a failed rebellion with two accounts and that being it is pretty funny in a pathetic kind of way.
rapid zinc
namespaced css makes me cry
wide totem
and one other guy who seemed to be testing the waters or something
limpid fern
We use https://beemo.gg/ (free tier) that has lists of users known to raid and spam and can be pre-emptively banned, lists are updated constantly
wide totem
wonder if there's an api
limpid fern
Doubt it as it's a lot of effort for them to have got the lists and to keep them updated
wide totem
true
steep scroll
Anyway, back to topic earlier about no JS, I also have hangman that doesn't use JS https://codepen.io/z-/pen/GRgZExW
(tic-tac-no-js: https://codepen.io/z-/pen/LYPqaME)
steep scroll
It was for a CodePen challenge that required using the :checked selector
And I had experience with programming with CSS from tic-tac-no-js
Very hacky and less neat than tic-tac-no-js
steep scroll
daring jay
Looks fun
steep scroll
I want to do minesweeper next
rapid zinc
CSS does have some severe weaknesses that make me sad
The unidirectional cascade is one, although that one makes sense for performance reasons
a lack of an ability to specify truly custom curves is another
no sass-style nesting is the third
steep scroll
The unidirectional cascade is one, although that one makes sense for performance...
unidirectional cascade
Not sure I understand
rapid zinc
A css element cannot affect it's parent via selector
steep scroll
a lack of an ability to specify truly custom curves is another
What kind of curves?
echo fern
how can one change file associations with a command in Windows? I did assoc .mp4=mpv, and it changed, except that it doesn't actually seem to affect what .mp4 files get opened with... 
steep scroll
A css element cannot affect it's parent via selector
Yes, I want a parent or previous sibling selector ||as it would make CSS Turing complete and can make more complex games without js||
rapid zinc
Ikr
It'd also turn a whole bunch of js things on their head because you could have elements affect each other in the page
Ok if I may just
hero svelte-1u1foo2 makes me unhappy
1u1foo2 means you are simply not doing css
You're just doing SS
steep scroll
There are slightly hacky ways of siblings being aware of others in some situations for instance the number of siblings but it does rely on selecting the first child https://codepen.io/z-/pen/WNbMjEW
rapid zinc
yeah
wide totem
There are slightly hacky ways of siblings being aware of others in some situatio...
wut
steep scroll
wut
Basically if there are 3 elements :first-child will also be :nth-last-child(3) and can select ~ * siblings
rapid zinc
Thanks to + and ~ an element can be styled based on what's after it, but not based on what's before it
wide totem
oh i thought you were talking about human siblings
steep scroll
-, ^, and < selectors when
steep scroll
Ha nice no classes
rapid zinc
I honestly would have just gone with <article-plate> for the tag but browser compat looked ugly
13kb single requests for pages
This includes everything, styles, content, and font
steep scroll
My page is a cool 588B 3kB but the favicon is 4.8kB https://koya.io/
steep scroll
I'm still not that good at 3D CSS, it's so easy to mess it up and for it to be flat, a bunch of extra rules I haven't bothered with learning fully
rapid zinc
Yeah
languid osprey
https://bast-development.com
ooh cool blog
rapid zinc
steep scroll
tbf I have potential to decrease the filesize
languid osprey
web dev is frustrating
daring jay
web dev is frustrating
Yes but also no
languid osprey
yes
rapid zinc
But otherwise you gotta do the security dance
steep scroll
CSS is the language that took me the longest to learn, it just takes doing it a lot - just don't bother trying to make a website your first time because different bits of websites need a different amount of iterations to get good at it
languid osprey
I like tailwindcss though, fuck css im never writing that again
rapid zinc
lol
wide totem
aha i just watched a guy ping 30k people by accident with a status message
rapid zinc
lmfao
steep scroll
Tailwind sucks, it's bootstrap with extra steps
rapid zinc
tailwind is OK
languid osprey
i like tailwind :P
steep scroll
Tailwind: you may as well just use CSS
wide totem
tailwind is OK
@limpid fern tailwind
rapid zinc
Tailwind: you may as well just use CSS
This is true though
daring jay
CSS is the language that took me the longest to learn, it just takes doing it a ...
Can you even "learn" CSS? You just get through it, but it always has some other things
daring jay
Like you can know the concepts, but you can't know all the new things they add and some other browser stuff
rapid zinc
then why use tailwind
because it makes other people more comfortable
cyan vine
w-32 h-32 rounded-full mx-auto this is not good design lol
steep scroll
Can you even "learn" CSS? You just get through it, but it always has some other ...
I guess it is the same as can you "learn" art. You can but it doesn't take you all the way. It took me the longest because it was just years of making different things and learning how all of the different combinations work
daring jay
Agreed
rapid zinc
also by enforcing css in html it keeps things from getting too out of hand when people aren't so great at css touch things. Less chance of collateral damage
steep scroll
then why use tailwind
Those that use Tailwind don't need to structure their own CSS, it saves work but shifts it onto the HTML, then the HTML is moved to JS
daring jay
The only thing I use Tailwind for in my own projects is Dark mode with the JIT
Although that's only when I'm using SSR/SSG
cyan vine
imagine learning css so you can learn a css framework to alias the css as classes
i honestly don't get it
cyan vine
how many elements are going to be w-32 h-32? just use an independent class lol
rapid zinc
jpg is for photos and if I see you use it for flat colors I'm gonna scream
steep scroll
jpeg > jpg
languid osprey
hm
daring jay
Am I the only one who hates the design feel of websites like this? https://pnpm.io/
rapid zinc
Also just gonna drop this
daring jay
Idk, I just dislike it
steep scroll
Ugh, ugh
rapid zinc
Am I the only one who hates the design feel of websites like this? https://pnpm....
Agreed. It's starting to get overused. Also their styles are a mess.
Top things wrong: left aligned stuff taht should be centered
too busy
way too much contrast on too much stuff
cyan vine
Am I the only one who hates the design feel of websites like this? https://pnpm....
they're not even being consistent with their icon design
daring jay
I dont like it
Why? Just curious
languid osprey
hm
steep scroll
I don't think they tested dark mode
languid osprey
haha
steep scroll
I wish sites would just take OS theme in CSS. I don't want to have to opt-in to dark mode, they already have the information to get my preferred theme
rapid zinc
Stripe has issues with one of their design decisions
languid osprey
I just dont like how it looks
rapid zinc
IE: every component has it's own stylesheet downloaded independently
WHY
why is this it's own file (??)
cyan vine
maybe they forgot to bundle
languid osprey
i want to write my own css preprocessor
rapid zinc
No it's intentional
daring jay
I'm not referring to the actual CSS files, I'm just referring to the design as a whole
languid osprey
oooh rust but css
daring jay
maybe they forgot to bundle
No, bundling is what generates all those arbitrary characters
steep scroll
oooh rust but css
What kind of syntax are you thinking?
languid osprey
rust
daring jay
That part is just ugly
languid osprey
while im at it i might just make an HTML preprocessor that looks like rust
rapid zinc
Every single component has it's own embedded <style> tag
and I thought I was bad for having four of them
cyan vine
No, bundling is what generates all those arbitrary characters
which characters?
daring jay
Pug is syntactically nice
daring jay
which characters?
https://b.stripecdn.com/mkt/assets/CodeFilesIcon-435a5414.js
The 435a5414 here
steep scroll
Love Pug, but has anyone used the .js part of Pug.js more than a few times? I haven't come across anyone who has
wide totem
on windows i have taken a webp and renamed to a png and it works
rapid zinc
> https://b.stripecdn.com/mkt/assets/CodeFilesIcon-435a5414.js
The 435a5414 here
that's because caching sucks and they're not doing version numbers
cyan vine
> https://b.stripecdn.com/mkt/assets/CodeFilesIcon-435a5414.js
The 435a5414 here
they could have done that themselves with a small hashing func tbh
rapid zinc
they can cache a url indefinitely like that
and force a refresh by requesting a different url
it's a nasty trick but understandable
daring jay
I just do whatever webpack (or esbuild for sveltekit) gives me
wide totem
because discord doesn't accept webp files to upload smh
but if you copy the files, they are all webp files
fuck webp
languid osprey
fn main() {
Div::new();
}
I mean you can request them as png files
languid osprey
pretty
rapid zinc
that's what I do
wide totem
I mean you can request them as png files
i mean yea
you just change it from a webp to png
but like
i've downloaded webp files and rename it to a png and it works file
rapid zinc
look discord does their profile pictures using foreignObject in an SVG
daring jay
```rust
fn main() {
Div::new();
}
```
That literally ruins the point of HTML (the fn main(). Just render HTML from Rust files like you can do in JS (I think you can do that)
languid osprey
That literally ruins the point of HTML (the `fn main()`. Just render HTML from R...
no
rapid zinc
Ah yes. Smooth edges, sharp curves, served as an image compression format that causes chromatic aberration
wide totem
languid osprey
It needs to be pure
rapid zinc
My eyes appreciate this
cyan vine
this looks like they realised a lot of requests for javascript isn't a good idea but thought fuck it when it came to the css
wide totem
look discord does their profile pictures using foreignObject in an SVG
fuck gcs
google cloud storage
steep scroll
React server-side renderer in Rust when? /s
median blade
One of my favorite sites is https://stripe.com
The top part is fked in mobile
steep scroll
I want to have HTML inside JS inside Rust to avoid writing extra code
wide totem
One of my favorite sites is https://stripe.com
it works great with darkreader!
daring jay
I want to have HTML inside JS inside Rust to avoid writing extra code
You can put HTML inside JS, can't you? Even vanilla
languid osprey
then we rewrite react in rust
wide totem
daring jay
Ew
languid osprey
ooh
steep scroll
JS preprocessor but Rust
F# as a JS pre-processor is both magical and horrific, I recommend
languid osprey
no only rust
daring jay
JS preprocessor but Rust
Like, Rust compiled to JS instead of WASM?
limpid fern
<@!335114057117859850> tailwind
Gross
median blade
Exactly
limpid fern
Just use Elm Yew
languid osprey
Like, Rust compiled to JS instead of WASM?
yes
languid osprey
Just use ~~Elm~~ *Yew*
no only rust
daring jay
Cya
limpid fern
Wait, I was thinking of Yew
https://yew.rs/
daring jay
Make HTML, CSS, and JS all rust
That's like, not a good idea
languid osprey
thats a great idea
wide totem
interested in where this will go 🍿
languid osprey
but I really should go, bye
limpid fern
pls talk to <@!246512746986864641> 🥺
I've used Yew on 2 projects, don't really have much to say about it other than neat and that I will go back to it
daring jay
@languid osprey Just make Django for Rust, and we all can be happy
steep scroll
Becuase HTML, CSS, and JS have their places
Their place is to only be the output of pre-processors
cyan vine
You can put HTML inside JS, can't you? Even vanilla
document.write('<div style="background-color:#000;color:#d4e;padding:20px;">Hello!</div>');
copy that into a browser console
daring jay
starlette > django
They do different things I think
clever salmonBOT
steep scroll
You can put HTML inside JS, can't you? Even vanilla
JSX for React is what I was referring to
https://codepen.io/z-/pen/abzegbx?editors=0010
limpid fern
Just use Rust
daring jay
JSX for React is what I was referring to
https://codepen.io/z-/pen/abzegbx?edito...
var render = function (template, node) {
node.innerHTML = template;
};
var template = '<h1>Hello world!</h1>';
render(template, document.querySelector('#main'));``` I mean something like thisWait
What about ml
Rust but python
Wait
No
Python but rust
Fuck
Wait I can compile python to rust
limpid fern
What about ml
cedar leaf
<@!416345453530054657> Just make Django for Rust, and we all can be happy
Oh, are we playing Jeopardy? I'll take bad ideas for 400
languid osprey
So rust but python
wide totem
https://www.arewelearningyet.com/
No
rapid zinc
I am thankful, at least, that yew has moved away from manually animated text color fades in their buttons.
wide totem
I haven't started learning rust yet
wide totem
Broaden your horizons
In a few weeks
languid osprey
Learn it
languid osprey
Lmao
rapid zinc
rust is pretty awesome
languid osprey
Rust can be used for non system programming things
limpid fern
Or don't unless systems programming really interests you
You can use Rust for basically everything, what you can't requires a bit of JS
wide totem
Like bruh I'm just getting started with github and shit
languid osprey
You can use Rust for basically everything, what you can't requires a bit of JS
Yep
wide totem
You can use Rust for basically everything, what you can't requires a bit of JS
Nah. You need a database for some things 😏
limpid fern
Nah. You need a database for some things 😏
Noria
wide totem
Written in rust?
(for extra speed, but it is guaranteed to be stable)
median blade
What is noria
languid osprey
Rust
languid osprey
What is noria
DB thing
cedar leaf
You can use Rust for basically everything, what you can't requires a bit of JS
You can also jump out of perfectly good airplanes instead of landing them, doesn't make it most efficient way to do something
languid osprey
hoary basalt
imagine getting rusty and rust
languid osprey
Rust is pretty efficient
It has out of the box wasm support
It's fast, safe, and enjoyable to program in
median blade
Ah it has a MySQL adapter
wide totem
Unsafe Rust <:ferrisUnsafe:358652666265731072> (for extra speed, but it is guara...
So not stable db?
languid osprey
I tried it but got bored
limpid fern
So not stable db?
Stable, the unsafe part is a language feature
rapid zinc
Rust does suffer from the inheritance boilerplate issue 
wide totem
Rust does suffer from the inheritance boilerplate issue <:sigh:79276327917282921...
What's that?
Like uh, boilerplate too 😓
rapid zinc
If I have 15 types all that have a "base" type, I need to write ugly boilerplate
wide totem
Oh, literally doesn't inherit init methods or whatever
limpid fern
Yeah, would like for traits to have inherited generics to avoid that. But inheritance is not something they ever want
rapid zinc
struct Base {
name: &str,
id: UUID4,
}
struct Thing1 {
base: Base,
more: &str,
another: Type,
}
And then reimplementing methods
wide totem
So rust can be very wet code
rapid zinc
basically since base is always at the start ( I mean it's not enforced normally so don't try and unsafe it without repr(C)) you could basically treat them as single-line inheritance subclassing
wide totem
dripping wet code.
rapid zinc
which would be really nice for stuff like items and game materials
I really just want the syntactic sugar to do this nicely honestly
There's an open issue
cedar leaf
Rust is pretty efficient
it's efficient at runtime but few things need to have really efficient at runtime, development speed matters
languid osprey
Rust compile times are a pain yeah
limpid fern
Rust compile times are a pain yeah
Compile times are good
languid osprey
For rust?
wide totem
Rust is compiled and not interpreted?
languid osprey
Yep
cedar leaf
Yes
languid osprey
Very strict compiler
limpid fern
Systems scripting language
wide totem
6 years open
languid osprey
My compile times have started taking around thirty seconds to a minute
wide totem
Before 1.0 even
rapid zinc
yeah
languid osprey
Which sucks for testing
rapid zinc
And they've just recently gotten async/await in so hoping hard that it'll actually get traction now
after constant generics
languid osprey
But theres an alternative experimental backend called cranelift that can be used for faster debug builds
And rust is fun to program in
I fully enjoy it
wide totem
Inb4 f#
limpid fern
I think F#, but Haskell is very close. If you have any C#, or other C experience you can pick up F# a lot easier
cyan vine
My compile times have started taking around thirty seconds to a minute
you could try using Go? 😆
wide totem
Called it
wide totem
you could try using Go? 😆
I don't like go because it's Google founded
limpid fern
you could try using Go? 😆
🤢 glad I've been able to stop using Go since Rust
languid osprey
Is Haskell worth learning
limpid fern
Yes, for fun
cyan vine
i await the Haskell > Rust comments in a week
limpid fern
Haskell > Rust in terms of fun programming, Rust >> Haskell in terms of usefulness
wide totem
Python > everything else in terms of what I know lmao
cyan vine
if your future boss asks you to use SQL are you going to argue with them about using Rust? 🤔
wide totem
if your future boss asks you to use SQL are you going to argue with them about u...
Unrelated lol
SQL is database
cyan vine
you can do everything in Rust... even SQL
limpid fern
you can do everything in Rust... even SQL
Noria, so yeah
limpid fern
Wait
(Noria uses the SQL language for queries. SQL is a language that databases implement so Maria uses its own flavour of SQL and Cassandra uses its own SQL, and mySQL its own. SQL is the language used to query databases, and there can be differences between them)
wide totem
(oh)
So it's the latter
It's not a db itself smh
I was thinking it would be a db written in rust
But no, it just is a client for SQL, unless I'm mistaken?
cyan vine
well, yes, why use mysql when you can use rust
languid osprey
Ooh write DB in rust
Wait sql but rust
Make rust the DB
DB with rust query syntax
wide totem
(Noria uses the SQL language for queries. SQL is a language that databases imple...
You had to edit this....
limpid fern
Ooh write DB in rust
Write DB in Rust that is maintained, unlike Noria
wide totem
And confuse the fuck and everything else out of me
languid osprey
Hm
wide totem
Just when i thought I understood
cyan vine
that's not important, what's important is what logo you will use
wide totem
Maria is a database?
Cassandra is a database
Noria is still what exactly?
cyan vine
i vote a lobster
languid osprey
Yes
wide totem
Regardless I think I'm ditching my bot, gonna rewrite it in rust, who wants to help /s
Jk, unless
limpid fern
Just when i thought I understood
SQL isn't the database itself, but SQL dictates the structure of the database as a relational database, SQL is simply the language used to interact with it. SQL for one database may not always be valid for another but the keywords are the same.
languid osprey
Regardless I think I'm ditching my bot, gonna rewrite it in rust, who wants to h...
Why /s
cyan vine
but why use an easy purpose fit language like SQL when Rust is Rust?
limpid fern
Rewrite Scylla in Rust
https://www.scylladb.com/
wide totem
Rewrite English in rust
languid osprey
Rewrite the universe in rust
wide totem
Rewrite English in rust
Actually please I'm being serious
echo fern
Rewrite English in rust
"respectfully allow me to note, sir, that I have been mutably borrowing your mother"
cyan vine
is that a jellyfish or a monster?
limpid fern
Monster
languid osprey
~~"respectfully allow me to note, sir, that I have been mutably borrowing your m...
Oh shit
limpid fern
languid osprey
Not their mother
wide totem
Rewrite Scylla in Rust
https://www.scylladb.com/
That's a good looking monster!
limpid fern
Very cute, does need some representation in #846514617261621292
limpid fern
I would love to see Electron.js but for Rust using FF’s renderer that’s written in Rust
median blade
Eww electron
limpid fern
Yeah, but it's at least better than WPF and WinForms
red ice
tranquil ridge
meant SDL2
echo fern
I would love to see Electron.js but for Rust using FF’s renderer that’s written ...
isn't that basically Tauri
tranquil ridge
also id like to ask @echo fern you what graphics lib do you use in rust for any graphical stuff
echo fern
depends on what I do
for animations/pictures, image
and then I ffmpeg them into videos or gifs
tranquil ridge
oh
echo fern
(the GIF writer of image itself seems really bad)
or was it even in image... anyway, didn't find a better way
tranquil ridge
hm so no high level graphic lib?
echo fern
plotters is also nice for plots
tranquil ridge
o
wide totem
ip6tables
Oh no. If Joe is having trouble with networking..... It must be impossible for humans.
wide totem
okay we''ll revisit this tomorrow
we?
dusky cliff
lol
wide totem
nice music, joe
grim seal
thanks
pastel granite
where is the "duck norris"?
grim seal
dat me!!!
pastel granite
ok
grim seal
20473 is Vultr, this is from the PoV of NTT
pastel granite
oh you own the server
pastel granite
ok, ill refrain from any joe mama jokes
median blade
lol
wide totem
well technically not, I think google technically owns the server 😏
median blade
@dawn spindle owns the server
grim seal
no, they're not
I think it's been made clear that I'm fine with that from people I know within staff, I don't want that to become commonplace amongst server members.
wide totem
whew
wide totem
I think it's been made clear that I'm fine with that from people I know within s...
lol, there's less than ten results for that phrase in public channels
grim seal
and all are from people I know
dusky cliff
does it have 5 results
grim seal
please stop confirming stuff I just said 😕
dusky cliff
my guess hasn't been disproved yet 🎉
wide totem
do you not know me?!
grim seal
there are few folks outside staff that I know to the point where I'm comfortable to the extent I'm fine with that phrase being used
I don't know much about anyone here, most of my trips to off topic are to rant about networking or teach
wide totem
smh
do you not know me?!
know != trust or know well enough to say said phrase
well anyways, imma take a short look at rust
actually
imma upgrade wsl to wsl2
tranquil ridge
i kind of feel uneasy when someone new says hes gonna learn rust 👀
tranquil ridge
and what do you mean by that
wide totem
i am being intentionally vague
tranquil ridge
like dont judge the language by its syntax
woven hornet
#include <stdio.h>
int digit_at(int number, int place);
int main(void)
{
//sum of alternate digits
int sum = 0;
int x = 123234323;
for (int i = 2; i <= 9; i = i + 2)
{
sum = sum + (digit_at(x, i));
}
//sum of all the digits
int sum2;
for (int j = 1; j <= 9; j = j + 2)
{
sum2 = sum + (digit_at(x,j));
}
printf("%i", sum2);
}
//finding the digit at each place
int digit_at(int number, int place)
{
int mult = pow(10, place);
return (number % (mult)) / (mult / 10);
}
--------
#include <stdio.h>
int digit_at(int number, int place);
int main(void)
{
//sum of alternate digits
int sum = 0;
int x = 123234323;
for (int i = 2; i <= 9; i = i + 2)
{
sum = sum + (digit_at(x, i));
}
//sum of all the digits
for (int j = 1; j <= 9; j = j + 2)
{
sum = sum + (digit_at(x,j));
}
printf("%i", sum);
}
//finding the digit at each place
int digit_at(int number, int place)
{
int mult = pow(10, place);
return (number % (mult)) / (mult / 10);
}```
i tried to create a program which adds all the digits in a number.
could i ask for line 15
why when i introduce a variable `sum2` it becomes a different answer? even tho i intend both to be the same?
viral hare
lol there is no line count in markdown
dusky cliff
you're not resetting sum to 0
odd sphinx
also
dusky cliff
between the two loops
viral hare
where line 15 lol
odd sphinx
sum2 is sum + number not sum2
tranquil ridge
also er
odd sphinx
and sum2 is not initialized in the begining
tranquil ridge
shouldnt you be doing int sum2 = 0;
odd sphinx
yes
tranquil ridge
doesnt int sum2; gives it a random value or smth
odd sphinx
also
dusky cliff
it doesn't give any value in java at least
odd sphinx
if ur trying to get all digits sum
in the second loop
u probably want j++
instead of j = j + 2
wide totem
like dont judge the language by its syntax
oh, is that what you meant?
woven hornet
you're not resetting `sum` to 0
yeah i wanted the first loop to find the sum of all the odd digits for eg. then second loop, add the sum of the first loop with the sum of all the even digits
woven hornet
sum2 is `sum` + number not `sum2`
uh wdym?
woven hornet
and sum2 is not initialized in the begining
but when i change it to int sum 2 = 0;
it gives the same value 11
woven hornet
u probably want `j++`
yeah thats a faster method but here im trying to split adding even-th and odd-th placed digits cuz i want to multiple 2 to the even-th digits
from the first loop, i get sum to be 10
so i thought by introducing sum 2 = sum + get_digit(x, j) it would be 10 + 3 + 3 + 3 + 3 + 1
odd sphinx
ah ok
woven hornet
i dont get whats the difference with that and sum = sum + get_digit(x,j)
isn't it still 10 + 3 + 3 + 3 + 3 + 1
odd sphinx
it should be
woven hornet
from the first loop, i get `sum` to be 10
so i thought by introducing `sum 2 = s...
but idk why sum 2 gives 11 instead
instead of 23
wide totem
OK upgraded to wsl
Apparently also installing vs too haha
@tranquil ridge no I'm not thrown off by the demicolons
tranquil ridge
nice
wide totem
I used Java for a year once
Hell, I appreciate the hello world program I looked at
No need to use system.out
It's just println
LOL
i am installing cargo regardless
didn't know it was that easy
context: cf wrangler can be installed via cargo
fuck yeah
hazy laurel
this is ARU's blog now
woven hornet
#include <stdio.h>
#include <math.h>
int main(void)
{
long x;
long y = pow(10,15);
x = (4003600000000014 % y);
printf("%i", x);
}```the output i get for x is wrong i think cuz of long int problems
but im not sure how to change it
wide totem
AY
I managed to get a 1101 error on cloudflare!
and its not even my fault
LOL
the two screenshots aren't related
wicked hollow
```c
#include <stdio.h>
#include <math.h>
int main(void)
{
long x;
long ...
Are you on Windows or Linux? Are you compiling 64-bit or 32-bit?
Does this work?
#include <stdio.h>
#include <math.h>
int main(void)
{
unsigned long long x;
unsigned long long y = pow(10,15);
x = (4003600000000014ULL % y);
printf("%llu", x);
}
I'm on mobile and can't really test.
odd sphinx
Does this work?
```c
#include <stdio.h>
#include <math.h>
int main(void)
{
u...
is that a platform dependent thing?
wicked hollow
Sizes of integers in C? Yep.
odd sphinx
whats %llu?
wicked hollow
That's just the format specifier for an unsigned long long
wicked hollow
On 32 bit builds for Linux, and even in 64 bit builds for Windows (or so I've heard), long is only 32 bits, but long long is 64 bits.
odd sphinx
i see
wide totem
On 32 bit builds for Linux, and even in 64 bit builds for Windows (or so I've he...
short long
wicked hollow
!e print(2**32 < 4003600000000014 < 2**64)
clever salmonBOT
@wicked hollow :white_check_mark: Your eval job has completed with return code 0.
True
If you're using 32 bit integers this stuff won't fit, but it should work with 64 bit ints
odd sphinx
interesting
clever salmonBOT
Hey @pliant trench!
pliant trench
damit
unreal sigil
pliant trench
I didn't type that....
hazy laurel
I can't type for heck
Every time I try learning to type properly, I get incredibly bored
and my bad habits just crop back up
hazy laurel
maybe it's because you're using qwerty and that's boring
I've got a laptop, it's not exactly my choice lol
pliant trench
I've got a laptop too :/
hazy laurel
\🤔
I've not got a desk or anything, I use my laptop unsurprisingly on my lap
having another keyboard with that setup isn't exactly comfortable
pliant trench
I don't got a desk too, it's just my laptop and me
but I type on colemak
my laptop's key itself are qwerty
but you won't look at them anyway
hazy laurel
idk I'd get so confused
I know you're not supposed to look at your keyboard but like
hazy laurel
True, I guess
median blade
True, I guess
ok
tribal tinsel
dusky cliff
chorp
median blade
chomp
cyan vessel
love that bird
tribal tinsel
Very annoying little fella. We're kinda wondering how to teach the birdo outside world. We don't have enclosure, so it will be hard to keep track of...
Because veggie tent doesn't have grass and birdo doesn't fly much in there (only flies down on the ground and when gets hungry - flies on me and yells). And we get that floorless small cage but it means some grass but not much +no flying
So we'll have to risk it and let birdo fly outside. We'll probably bring the normal cage outside, birdo sometimes flies to it at home, so it's recognizable and safe element...
But we worry that birdo will fly somewhere where human can't help, or near the road, or near the semi-wild dogs, or some cat will notice...
worn sluice
limpid fern
isn't that basically Tauri
Ouh that’s cool, new since I last looked. Thank you for telling me
pulsar escarp
Chuck Norris so straight, that he makes light seem gay.
pastel spoke
pulsar escarp
Newton did make light gay
pulsar escarp
Newton for sure
odd sphinx
u talking abt light bending around large stars?
pulsar escarp
u talking abt light bending around large stars?
At first, bending of lights.
imagine turning light gay
Then diffraction of light into its spectrum,
you know, that is gay too
true light
SHUTUP YOU HOMOPHOBES
odd sphinx
moment
hazy laurel
bruh
odd sphinx
lol
turbid cloak
4y - 4y^2 = 32 whats y? pls help
ancient whale
a quadratic curve
limpid fern
4y - 4y^2 = 32 whats y? pls help
Massive
tribal tinsel
4y - 4y^2 = 32 whats y? pls help
4y - 4y^2 = 32 | /4
y - y^2 = 8
y - y^2 -8 = 0
now solve as normal quadratic equation
limpid fern
I'm trying out FF again, but most themes have this ugly grey line above the toolbar.
I was trying to edit the theme but I couldn't find just a list of all properties, so I needed to use the inspector and it says I need Inspect Chrome Document but I can't find where it is and when trying to go through mozilla I get https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Tools/Add-ons/DOM_Inspector/Internals "Page not found".
Where is Inspect Chrome Document or does someone know what name that border is?
It's something like toolbar_top_seperator but that doesn't work
Nvm, spelling
ancient whale
I'm trying out FF again, but most themes have this ugly grey line above the tool...
what theme are you using???
limpid fern
Rainbow blur
Just remaking it myself
https://color.firefox.com/ is pretty neat, the colour picker is terrible though as you can't select greys
ancient whale
I was looking at that earlier, is there anyway to set a gradient?
ancient whale
but like a gradient for buttons
limpid fern
🤷♀️
tribal tinsel
where did you get that picker? maybe they did transparent instead of white, lol? because I see this
solemn pollen
hazy laurel
uh
limpid fern
Straight pride flag just comes across as homophobic
hazy laurel
oh is that what that is
solemn pollen
i am homophobic
languid osprey
oop
solemn pollen
ban
round moss
!ban @solemn pollen homophobia
clever salmonBOT
:ok_hand: applied ban to @solemn pollen permanently.
languid osprey
bye
hazy laurel
ngl this reminds me of those clothes you'd see old prisoners wear
rustic harborBOT
languid osprey
black fo0orest
hazy laurel
hm. do donuts manage to be pastries
languid osprey
hm
limpid fern
It does make the very tall bar more bearable. Also a change from always just black
Does anyone know how to make the address bar take up all of the space? Looks a bit awkward with empty space on the ends
odd sphinx
is there a straight flag
limpid fern
Yes, above
wide totem
Does anyone know how to make the address bar take up all of the space? Looks a b...
I think there's spacers....?
limpid fern
I think there's spacers....?
Do you know how to remove the spacers?
limpid fern
but how is that homophobic
There's no point for a straight pride flag other than to be provocative
wide totem
The edit thing and then the thing and then drag the thing to the thing, MAYBE
wide totem
but how is that homophobic
i am homophobic
They said they were homophobic lol
hazy laurel
but how is that homophobic
they said they were homophobic
odd sphinx
yes they did say that later
but
before they did pythot said that was homophobic
wait
limpid fern
Brave/Chrome has this option but can't find anything in FF's settings
round moss
the context in which flags are used matter as well
odd sphinx
does this count as a flag ♂️ ♀️
wide totem
Brave/Chrome has this option but can't find anything in FF's settings
Obviously, because ff isn't chromium smh
odd sphinx
the context in which flags are used matter as well
true
limpid fern
Obviously, because ff isn't chromium smh
FFS, I know FF isn't chromium but that's the kind of setting I'm looking for. I know that it can exist in a browser, I just don't know where it is in FF
round moss
the vast majority of uses of the straight flag are not in exactly positive contexts.
hazy laurel
FFS, I know FF isn't chromium but that's the kind of setting I'm looking for. I ...
Go to the toolbar edit
and just... yeet the spacers
limpid fern
Go to the toolbar edit
Where's that?
hazy laurel
Right click the toolbar and click "Edit toolbar" or something
and there's a drag-and-drop section, just drag away the spacers
hazy laurel
Maybe I've ought to use Firefox more
limpid fern
That's a cool system
hazy laurel
Indeed, but I never really use it
like it's cool but kind of useless for me because I like it how it is lol
wide totem
<:chefkiss:658362297538052144>
Would you kindly share that theme? 🥺
clever salmonBOT
Hey @limpid fern!
limpid fern
1 sec
wide totem
Isn't there a Firefox color link sharing option?
limpid fern
*unprintable characters in that link lol*
On not-FF it downloads as expected
wide totem
Ironic
limpid fern
That's what they get for just changing .zip into .xpi even though there's no difference. What is the point?
FF can read it though
wide totem
Yeah lol
dim root
I messed up my Linux today, need to reinstall it, until then just the iPad 😔
dim root
I can, but as soon as I get that screen, my keyboard dies and does get any event
hazy laurel
I messed up my Linux today, need to reinstall it, until then just the iPad 😔
Arch :[
dim root
And to worsen the problems, you can only get the terminal after that screen
wide totem
@limpid fern aaaaa BTW I ended up doing rust stuff yesterday aaaaa
hazy laurel
is there a reason you're spamming <
hazy laurel
I see
dim root
And on wayland I dunno any way to disable it like xinput has, so I just deleted the keyboard event file in /dev/input
Which probably caused this problem
hazy laurel
why would you do that D:
wide totem
<@335114057117859850> aaaaa BTW I ended up doing rust stuff yesterday aaaaa
@limpid fern what editor/ide do you use for rust?
dim root
Otherwise it would spam the < key and won’t let me type
limpid fern
<@335114057117859850> what editor/ide do you use for rust?
VSCode
limpid fern
You do need to install Rust
wide totem
And I ended up installing visual studio.
dim root
Anyway got the pen drive ready now, need to run it through rufus and then should be good hopefully
wide totem
You do need to install Rust
I did lol
I ended up with visual studio installed afterwards tho
And unfortunately, rust did not touch my path so I need to figure out how to add it
dusky cliff
And I ended up installing visual studio.
bruh
limpid fern
Oops, sorry
hazy laurel
hhh I think they've blocked me from signing in
odd sphinx
lol
hazy laurel
bruh. Microsoft, what're you doing to me
I'm even using Edge... What is this
wtf. I think it's 1Password preventing me from signing in
Yep. it's 1Password... what the heck
hazy laurel
.........
This is an endless loop of login problems
finally!
wait it's not weird to name my organization after myself, is it?
uh oh... there's so much to read
odd sphinx
read.
dim root
uh oh... there's so much to read
Lol
hazy laurel
I'm trying to keep awake D:
dim root
I have been going slowly along it, getting into devops
odd sphinx
lo
dim root
Recently messed around with lots of grafana with mongo, Postgres and Loki
hazy laurel
I've messed with only mongo out of those
I just saw someone talking about Azure DevOps and thought I'd look into it
I mean... seems cool
hazy laurel
uh oh
wide totem
And spamming joe’s DMs for help lol
same
hazy laurel
poor joe
hazy laurel
it's weird sometimes
oh well. learn to spell \😩
that was a joke, I hope it was obvious
wide totem
lel
i legit just
uninstalled discord
deleted all of the discord folders
and it still doesn't work
EVEN AFTER A REINSTAL
but get this, it works on ptb
hazy laurel
interesting
tranquil ridge
seems to be working 🤔 , helo isnt a correct word
tranquil ridge
when did that happen
dim root
It never makes a suggestion
wide totem
it does
hazy laurel
It doesn't always work for me
wide totem
but its been going on for a while
hazy laurel
I think it broke in a recent Canary build tbh
wide totem
i even just deleted my entire canary install
dim root
Nice, not for me, discord is weird, very weird
dim root
It didn’t even show th ping count on the icon in canary for me
wide totem
i mean
hazy laurel
I don't think Linux really has that functionality
wide totem
ubuntu isn't supported
hazy laurel
smh
dim root
The stable non canary one shows the mention count tho
hazy laurel
Discord's a mess tbh
dim root
And we are still using it lol
hazy laurel
like... not even going to like. They've really gotta step up their game
hazy laurel
And we are still using it lol
Hey, do you expect me to find all the communities I enjoy elsewhere
dim root
Yup that’s the reason why most are still here
hazy laurel
welp. I don't feel like reading all of this stuff about DevOps
first few pages and I'm already feeling mindlessly bored
hazy laurel
wdym
I just wanted to see what it was about
but like... there's so much stuff that may or may not be cool
Interesting
wide totem
I just wanted to see what it was about
What what was what about?
hazy laurel
What what was what about?
DevOps?
wide totem
Send link to what you made an account for
hazy laurel
I don't know what you're talking about
hazy laurel
I'm so confused
wide totem
What did you make an account and sign up for which last pass blocked
hazy laurel
uh
1Password wouldn't let me sign in to Microsoft Azure at all
I had to disable it temporarily
assuming that's what you're talking about... I'm still so confused
wide totem
Yes that is what I'm talking about ty lol
wide totem
@grim seal out of curosity, what is the benefit to doing this?
enabling auto-merge to just approve it afterwards
there is probably a benefit, I'm just curious what it is
grim seal
<@!165023948638126080> out of curosity, what is the benefit to doing this?
because I can lol
I enable auto-merge, review, donezo
Means more if there is a more complex review policy but I bypass a lot of them
limpid fern
the rainbow gradient looks too distracting
Guess I'll see
hazy laurel
I also prefer the blue one
limpid fern
I definitely prefer rainbow, currently
wide totem
<:chefkiss:658362297538052144>
e.e that is nice
vague shadow
<@!165023948638126080> out of curosity, what is the benefit to doing this?
Usually before you merge a PR you need to update the branch from main, which triggers CI to run
Enabling auto merge means you don't need to wait for that, you can just enable, approve and leave it do its own thing
grim seal
joe always wins
wide totem
Aru sometimes loses
jovial island
joe moment