ot2-the-original-pubsta

[feral quail]

so pipenv but actually not?

[scarlet totem]

package manager

[wide totem]

tl;dr virtual env manager that is easier to configure, can push to pypi, build wheels, and more

[scarlet totem]

better version of pipenv

[wide totem]

nah not even a version of pipenv

the only thing is that they do the same thing, which is venvs

but poetry can have multiple envs for the same project

poetry env use 3.8
poetry env use 3.9

so nice

[feral quail]

maybe i should look into that stuff

[wide totem]

honestly use pyenv first

and then deal with venvs

although you don't need poetry or pipenv to deal with venvs

[feral quail]

currently don't use envs at all

[wide totem]

you can juts do it with venv or virtualenvs

!d venv

[clever salmon]

venv

New in version 3.3.

Source code: Lib/venv/

The venv module provides support for creating lightweight “virtual environments” with their own site directories, optionally isolated from system site directories. Each virtual environment has its own Python binary (which matches the version of the binary that was used to create this environment) and can have its own independent set of installed Python packages in its site directories.

See PEP 405 for more information about Python virtual environments.

[wide totem]

python3 -m venv

literally that easy

you don't even need poetry or pipenv

i've used venv before when on windows lmaoaoaoaoao

[feral quail]

python3.9 -m venv for me. I didn't install the python3 package but built from source

since at the time the python3 package wasn't updated fully yet

[wide totem]

ah

so

!pypi pyenv

[clever salmon]

pyenv v0.0.1

pyenv project placeholder package

[wide totem]

check out that

[feral quail]

maybe one day

if i ever need it

[wide totem]

basically you don't need to build from source if its been released

it even has beta builds

[feral quail]

man i want to try django out one time, but my server uses plesk which i couldn't figure out how to get working with django

[wide totem]

i actually installed 3.10.0b2 with pyenv

[feral quail]

so for now it only runs discord bots so i just use the global site-packages

no envs

hmm looking online it probably is possible

[daring jay]

Awwwww

[tribal tinsel]

Birdbrain

[sinful sun]

so fuzzy

[wide totem]

@limpid fern

[limpid fern]

(photo taken 2 years ago, back when I was home. I don't have the windows anymore and my headphones are now Steelseries Actis Pro, I kicked that wire too many times. Also my computer is not directly on carpet, it's on top of a chopping board.)

[wide totem]

Wtf

[limpid fern]

More screens = more productivity

[wide totem]

.bm 850052146698125352

[limpid fern]

This is my upgrade plan, 6 monitors (needed to make a diagram to get my fiancée on board)

[wide totem]

WTF

[limpid fern]

Just need Microsoft to both announce and then make Surface Monitors

[wide totem]

money smh

[sour basin]

lol i literally just have a laptop from school

1366x768 pixels (361x203 millimeters)

[limpid fern]

tbf, my monitors were only £180 each and I got £45 refund from the lower 3 due to a small defect I don't actually notice. People spend more on a single monitor than I do on 4

The top monitor is awful, the colours are terrible and I didn't know how bad it is when I only had it (I also didn't have a graphics card that could do full resolution so everything was slightly blurry)

[dusky cliff]

damn

[wide totem]

O, UK?

[limpid fern]

Yee

[wide totem]

Ahhh, US here

Joe's in the UK tho

[dusky cliff]

wait I thought you lived in japan

idk

[odd sphinx]

wtf

bruh

that is going to be one mega workstation

[limpid fern]

I'm really excited and 3:2 monitors don't even exist yet

[wide totem]

Expensive too

My eyes are so shit lol

[limpid fern]

Yeah, I'm expecting the monitors to be £4-600, I also will probably want to get a custom stand made to hold them perfectly and arms tall enough don't exist to hold the top screen. I might need to make a custom desk and have the bottom of the monitor go below the level of the desk. I also will need to have at least 2 powerful GPUs to power it.
I'm going to be throwing a lot of money at this and it's still going to be cheaper than a MacPro

[sullen folio]

Hullo!

[grim seal]

hello

[wise inlet]

[wide totem]

hi

[wide totem]

how do you have money? 🤔

[dusky cliff]

that's a very specific emoji name

[wise inlet]

That's exactly what she says in the anime

well, she says that in Japanese, and it's properly "conversation" but emoji name length is a thing

[dusky cliff]

lol

[blissful pollen]

https://tenor.com/view/puppet-awkward-looking-what-side-eye-gif-15476992

[wide totem]

hello

[blissful pollen]

Why am I here?

[dusky cliff]

Just to suffer

[blissful pollen]

Checks out

[wise inlet]

I'm here to help people over at #discord-bots

[tranquil ridge]

why are pixel people here

[dim root]

Why not

[wise inlet]

because we were told to come here

[blissful pollen]

https://tenor.com/view/jedes-mal-wenn-ich-koche-oh-nein-schade-pech-gehabt-gif-13268159

[dim root]

Lol

[tranquil ridge]

ah the mouse

sad

[shadow elk]

that's... not how physics work where I live

[shadow elk]

it will haunt me

[tranquil ridge]

lol

[wide totem]

hello json!

[blissful pollen]

We were told to come here but @grim seal stayed on #846514617261621292. He just wanted to get rid of us

[tranquil ridge]

"json!"

[blissful pollen]

First the blackout, now this

https://tenor.com/view/john-travolta-well-where-is-it-looking-for-something-gif-5291661

[tranquil ridge]

id like to show some ants

[grim seal]

hahahahahaha, I was trying to keep #846514617261621292 on topic to pixels, and move off topic stuff to here

[blissful pollen]

But can you at least buy an RTX 30xx at MSRP here?

[grim seal]

not a chance lol

that reminds me, I should think about getting something more powerful than this macbook

probably a thinkkpad

[blissful pollen]

The new iMacs are cheap for what they are

But I'm in no rush, I have a maxed out 15" MBP 2018

Will probably get an M2 if not M3

The biggest limitation of M1 is its built-in memory which at 16GB is a little tight in 2021

[tranquil ridge]

heh

i thought 16 gb was more than enough

[grim seal]

yeah, I need something portable to take around uni this september, which is why I'm hesitant to go down the desktop route

[wide totem]

make #ot2-the-original-pubsta #846514617261621292 and make #846514617261621292 #ot2-the-original-pubsta

[limpid fern]

I have worked freelance (almost entirely backend) since I was 13. I plan to never do freelance work after uni though

[wide totem]

ah damn

nice

[blissful pollen]

It's not bad until you run Docker

[wide totem]

i have a pi 4 with 4gb

gonna run docker on that

[limpid fern]

I have 64GB solely for Brave/Chrome (DDR3 tho, which is fine)
I can't live with being limited on the number of tabs I can have open

[limpid fern]

Are we game yet?

[wide totem]

use firefox

smh

[limpid fern]

No, because I would then have to upgrade my CPU

[wide totem]

why?

[tranquil ridge]

[wide totem]

windows or linux?

[limpid fern]

Firefox uses more CPU, Chromium uses more memory (I prefer higher memory usage than CPU usage)

Windows

[wide totem]

ah

wtf lmao

I have 4 "servers" lol

i opened all of them, ran a command on all of them at the same time

[wide totem]

between the time the first one checked for updates verse the last one

there was an update released for the gh cli

and the first two didn't actually update it

the second two did update it

[limpid fern]

It randomly spikes too

[wide totem]

which means i reran it on the first too

[wide totem]

how bad is this cpu?

actually nvm

[limpid fern]

i7-4820K all 8 cores unlocked

[wide totem]

wdym unlocked

are they arifically locked?

[limpid fern]

i7-4820K is 4 cores, but 4 are software locked (may potentially be damaged but mine were fine)

[wide totem]

ah

[limpid fern]

So it's basically an i9-4820K or whatever has 8 cores in the same generation

[wide totem]

oh yeah i watched a video about that

[wide totem]

they lock them because they might have gotten damaged

so a core i5 is basically a damaged i7 lmao

and a core i3 is a really fucked up i7

[limpid fern]

Yeah, basically all of the chips for the same generation are the same but if some cores are damaged they are locked either through hardware or software and sold as a lower grade chip. It's cheaper for production to do them all the same

Pretty much

[wide totem]

yeah

intel fucking sucks lol

[limpid fern]

It's just what needs to be done

But yeah I'm moving to AMD next

[wide totem]

no, ryzen is better

i have a laptop lol

so uh, AMD is impossible

im also gonna try out a lot of linux too

and cli

cli is great lol

[limpid fern]

AMD is better, but Intel does what results in less e-waste. AMD uses chiplets as an alternative and produces more e-waste (I mean it's like a few percent as there are a lot of complete rejects with all chips as a baseline, but if something doesn't work 100% then it is waste, while intel can just lock off broken parts and sell it for cheaper)

[wide totem]

oh?

[limpid fern]

I really want to get a threadripper but I have no practical use for it

[wide totem]

ah fuck

i messed up my path

>>> pyenv update
zsh: command not found: pyenv

because i changed my path

[limpid fern]

[AFK]

[wide totem]

well, i didn't change my path

i changed my default shell to zsh

w/out changing the bash profile scripts to zsh stuff

i should probably change it back until i fix it

incase i fuck up one of the files and start a permanent loop

Yeah it's fucked up

[keen burrow]

FYI you can use a gitattribute file to make linguist (the tool github uses to generate code stats) ignore this file/folder

[wide totem]

gitignore?

[wide totem]

?

[keen burrow]

No, gitattribute

Lemme give you the docs

https://github.com/github/linguist/blob/master/docs/overrides.md#generated-code

[wide totem]

hey, you might be interested in this ^

[limpid fern]

Tailwind is just a more verbose shitshow bootstrap, at that point you may as well just use CSS

[wide totem]

thanks

[keen burrow]

Nah, I just need more Rust or ASM code haha

It isn't auto-generated code

[wide totem]

ah

[wide totem]

😔

why

ugh fuck zoom

it made half of my windows always on top

[cyan vine]

@urban sun @runic obsidian since you're on ubuntu 20.04 you could also try updating to 21.04 since it uses Wayland

[runic obsidian]

Hmm yeah I suppose I should try that

do you know what /usr/lib/xorg/Xorg is supposed to be running and how to reset / clear memory from it by any chance?

[cyan vine]

i'd imagine restarting your DE might help

[runic obsidian]

Whats a DE?

[trail nymph]

desktop environment i think

[cyan vine]

yeah, gnome

ctrl + alt + backspace should be a shortcut

[hazy laurel]

GNOME :/

[hazy laurel]

I'd not suggest using 21.04

Too problematic for people, from what I've seen

and if we're talking GNOME, and you've got a problem... The simplest solution is to not use GNOME

[wide totem]

aight, just made the file

seb's action embed is super nice lmao

@keen burrow yay.

[hoary basalt]

[limpid fern]

No F#? What's the point?

[hazy laurel]

F#...

Is that ever worth revisiting

[echo fern]

what does one actually use F# for in practice?

[viral hare]

F# more like press F to pay respect

[wide totem]

Smh it's a discord bot and site smh

[limpid fern]

F# can be used for anything C# can do, but there's 0 job potential (I have used it professionally, so I'm like the 1 person who has made money from it). It's a very fun language to use, it's easier than Haskell. I made https://github.com/teenangst/Imp-Maps-Downloader (2 in 1) and https://github.com/teenangst/maploader

[echo fern]

I mean, like, for what is it nicer to use than C#?

[wide totem]

Like, the bot and site are in the same repo

Felt good, might delete

[limpid fern]

Indents rather than brackets, , don't have to define types but it is strongly typed, and pipes (this should have been first)

With C# if you have 3 functions first, second, and third you would do third(second(first())) while in F# you would use a pipe |> (passes 1 argument from left to right, functions can return multiple arguments and can pass 2 with ||>) and use first |> second |> third. Pipes are something I want in all languages

[copied from DMs]

let return_one () =
  1
let return_tuple () =
  (1,2)

let multiply_by_n n m =
  n*m

let multiply_by_2 m =
  multiple_by_n 2 m

let value1 = return_one () |> multiply_by_2   //1 |> multiply_by_2   // multiply_by_2 1
let value2 = return_one () |> multiply_by_n 2 //1 |> multiply_by_n 2 // multiply_by_n 2 1 <- 1 is moved to the end
let value3 =
  return_tuple ()
  ||> multiply_by_n
  |> multiply_by_2
  //(1,2) ||> multiply_by_n |> multiply_by_2 // multiply_by_n 1 2 |> multiply_by_2 <- tuple moved together and spread across parameters, after only 1 value needs piping

[echo fern]

Pipes are something I want in all languages
agreed, left-to-right composition is very nice

[limpid fern]

Also I wish languages would never have statements, everything should be an expression

[hazy laurel]

welp. time to not learn F#

[wide totem]

Oh... So pipes are basically arguments that come from the left?

[echo fern]

no opinion on the terminology for me; I'm just saying that it's ugly to write f3(f2(f1(x))), and it's nicer to do it in a way where functions are mentioned in order of application

like, consider Rust's let b:Vec<_> = a.iter().map(|x| x*2).collect(); as opposed to Python's b = list(map(lambda x: x*2, a))

the former is Fluent syntax, it reads left-to-right, can be naturally spread into lines:

let b:Vec<_> = a
.iter()
.map(|x| x*2)
.collect();

and is way nicer IMO

[limpid fern]

Or from the right <| (however the creator of F# later said to never use them because the rules are weird and you can end up with something like

foo |> bar ||> baz <| qux |||> quux <| quuux
``` - it's not clear what stuff goes where)

[echo fern]

that looks like bra-ket notation, lmao

<foo|H|bar> that hamiltonian 😛

[limpid fern]

Ouh

[tawdry lance]

anyone here

[sinful sun]

What

[tawdry lance]

hey i need help please

@sinful sun

[sinful sun]

Bro

[tawdry lance]

yeah

[sinful sun]

Just ask

[tawdry lance]

sry

i need to do that for my coding class outside of school

[sinful sun]

Why not #❓｜how-to-get-help

[tawdry lance]

wait so u gonna snwer

answer*

[sinful sun]

No, go get a help channel if you want help

Its literally their only purpose

[tawdry lance]

yeah

but no one respnding

[sinful sun]

Be patient
Show what you've done already
Show your errors
Explain what you want your code to do and what its currently doing

[grim seal]

woooooo DNSSEC on jb3.dev

[wide totem]

okay what did i fuck up

how is $ == 10174

[wide totem]

wdym

also

[grim seal]

Domain Name System Security Extensions

[wide totem]

so you got your adrress

[grim seal]

it authenticates DNS records as being legitiate

further reducing the risk of hostile takeover through DNS

so DNS clients don't accept forged data

so DNS clients don't accept forged data

[wide totem]

ok

configuring my zsh wish me luck

actually

[grim seal]

https://dns.google/query?name=jb3.dev&rr_type=A&ecs=&show_dnssec=true

"AD": true means it was validated with DNSSEC

[wide totem]

okay uh

that doesn't mean much on that page lol

[wide totem]

https://dns.google/query?name=lmfao&rr_type=A&ecs=&show_dnssec=true says AD: True here too

[grim seal]

yeah

because you hit the roots

who certified "yeah ain't got shit" with their DNSSEC keys

[wide totem]

oh

[grim seal]

DNSSEC doesn't mean there was a correct response, it just means that the response you got was signed by the server that gave you it

[wide totem]

ah

[crude trail]

@grim seal Talking about the Pride Month, would you say the new Icon was on the Agender?

[grim seal]

not sure I follow?

[crude trail]

ah just a pun: Agenda - Agender as in... its a gender definition a bit like asexual but for gender

[grim seal]

ahhhhhhhhhhh hahhaha

[crude trail]

I am sorry my brain does this thing sometimes xD

[grim seal]

hahahaha you're good

[crude trail]

❤️

[grim seal]

yooooo what the heck that's dope, you can request a cache flush from google DNS

that's actually super cool

I love that

[wide totem]

yeah you didn't know that?

yay i knew something before joe

:party_like_its_y2k:

[grim seal]

I mean I know you can flush local cache, but not ask 8.8.8.8 to flush cache

but I don't use 8.8.8.8, because it's not secure, lol

they pass on EDNS client subnet info

[wide totem]

smh you just used 8.8.8.8

i have android

i am forced to sometimes use 8.8.8.8

[grim seal]

they have a nice browser UI

[wide totem]

i use fireflox lol

flireflox

[crude trail]

what does that mean exactly?
Tell google DNS "hey my IP has moved, perhaps update it"?

[wide totem]

yes imma call it fireflox now

[grim seal]

oh cloudflare have it too hahahaha https://1.1.1.1/purge-cache/

[grim seal]

yeah, when you lookup jb3.dev with google, they store a copy of the IP so that next time someone looks it up they don't have to do the same journey

so that site just asks them to reset their records

[wide totem]

temporarily store obv

[grim seal]

yeah, cache

[crude trail]

y I know a bit how DNS works, you basically tell them "dont wait for TTL to expire to update, do it NOW" if I got you correctly

[grim seal]

yep

oh did google turn off EDNS?????

whaaaat

oh no they didn't

didn't think so

shame

[wide totem]

lmao joe

i tried ;-;

[crude trail]

whats that again?

[grim seal]

if you use google as a resolver your subnet is passed on to the site you are resolving

[wide totem]

well damn

also damn

cf might ban me

i flushed themselves

[grim seal]

EDNS is part of DNS spec which passes along your IP details to the nameserver that you are looking up

which is used for geo stuff

buuuuuut a lot of privacy "ehhh" as well

it's not really necessary

[grim seal]

cloudflare don't cache those records

they pull down the entire root zone

[wide totem]

wdym

[grim seal]

do dig AXFR @iad.xfr.dns.icann.org .

[wide totem]

oh different reply

[grim seal]

cloudflare pull a copy of the root zone and store that, so that when they want to resolve com they don't need to go to the root servers, they've already got a copy on board

so there they have all the nameservers for .dev, .docs, .diy, etc.

saves them one DNS query

[crude trail]

this is way too high level for me.
I just get some domain, say "internet go beep boop" and thats enough for me

[grim seal]

hahahaha

there is a little magic going on with jb3.dev

it's uh.... hosted on 1.1.1.1 lol

[wide totem]

LOL

You should go through the configuration files of random Github users to get a better idea of what each file should contain.

[wide totem]

how?

[grim seal]

🙂

[wide totem]

pages.dev?

or workers.dev?

[grim seal]

neither

[wide totem]

ok then

cname?

[grim seal]

nope

[wide totem]

content network?

cdn*

[grim seal]

nope

[wide totem]

what about nope?

[grim seal]

it's just some anycast magic

[wide totem]

o network wizard, please explain

while i brick my pi

[grim seal]

lololol

i'll leave you to figure it out

[wide totem]

smh

im currently really doing some bad stuff

[wide totem]

i'm uh, think i need to read the sd card to reset this

so uh, how?!!

[grim seal]

why does the PID being 10174 indicate bad stuff, lol

[wide totem]

THAT'S THE PID?!

til.……..

[grim seal]

lol???

[wide totem]

i thought i fucked something up

because i learned that while editing my vim config

lets just say, just in case, i started a bash shell

in case i need to chsh

[grim seal]

oh

ahhh, NRD

[wide totem]

wow lmao

you blocked yourself

[crude trail]

lets be honest, you tried to exit it and accidentally learned how to use it.

[wide totem]

ahhhhhhh

i meant zsh

not vim

wtf is wrong with me

guys.… I'm turning into a linux user

😔

[grim seal]

cute

[wide totem]

very cute

now, how do you host it on cloudflare?

[grim seal]

lol

no comment

i wrote a nifty little worker today

it authenticates members into a certain private server based on membership of another private server

guilds.join scope is cool

[wide totem]

can you just tell me if its paid or not?
*for the normal user

[wide totem]

what languages are workers?

[grim seal]

nope, it's just some hackery

[grim seal]

this one is typescript

i wonder if I can publish this

yeah I probably can

[wide totem]

wait you wrote a worker that runs a bot?

no wait

nvm

[grim seal]

no, just uses a bot token

[wide totem]

no bot

yeah, just for guilds.join

most of it is the oauth2

which gets three scopes, identify, guilds.join, and guilds

[grim seal]

https://gist.github.com/jb3/f66884fa560c9406c9c13713ce11f6a0

[crude trail]

This reminded me of this shortie: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epH4QvLUXlY

[wide totem]

LOL

[grim seal]

that's the worker, ended up fairly neat

[wide totem]

An unexpected error occurred while joining you to the guild.${msg},
bruh

[grim seal]

lol

[wide totem]

where is the space after . before $?

[grim seal]

if msg exists, it will be prefixed by a space

that bit isn't the neatest

[crude trail]

you telling me guild 112233445566778899 doesnt exist?

😦

[wide totem]

!sf 112233445566778899

[clever salmon]

You are not allowed to use that command here. Please use the #bot-commands channel instead.

[wide totem]

huh

its possible it exists

november 2015

[grim seal]

lol

i swapped those out

[wide totem]

holy

i should delete this folder

back when i built python from source

now i use pyenv

i still have the entire cpython repo downloaded

sadly, every commit

the entire repo

[crude trail]

how big is the folder?

[wide totem]

how do i check lmao

[grim seal]

du -sh folder

[crude trail]

right click>properties xD

[wide totem]

683M

[wide totem]

on linux lol

i assume its 683 mb

[crude trail]

you said you were "slowly becoming a linux dev" so I thought you were on win, perhaps with wsl

[wide totem]

what, why did that show everything

i am confused

also what is sort and -h

my entire stuff takes up 14GB

[grim seal]

because *

wildcard

[grim seal]

sort sorts the input, -h tells it the input is sizes in human format (1G, 100M, 20K)

[wide totem]

lmaooooo

[grim seal]

     -h, --human-numeric-sort, --sort=human-numeric
             Sort by numerical value, but take into account the SI suffix, if present.  Sort first by numeric sign (negative, zero, or
             positive); then by SI suffix (either empty, or `k' or `K', or one of `MGTPEZY', in that order); and finally by numeric
             value.  The SI suffix must immediately follow the number.  For example, '12345K' sorts before '1M', because M is "larger"
             than K.  This sort option is useful for sorting the output of a single invocation of 'df' command with -h or -H options
             (human-readable).

[wide totem]

you can tell how fast an ssd is in comparsion to a sd card

my pi is taking a long time

the ssd powered devices, 1 second

[hazy laurel]

btw all of this could've been figured out fairly easily looking something like sort --help

[wide totem]

22G and 19G for the ssd devices

[hazy laurel]

* not so much, but... it's just one of those bash things

[wide totem]

11G for the pi 3 for

14G for the pi 4

[wide totem]

ah

[wide totem]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[grim seal]

ya, man and tldr are very nice for stuff like this 🙂

[wide totem]

what's tldr?

[hazy laurel]

I was gonna suggest man but I never use man myself because it's always so much work

[crude trail]

wait, there is a tldr command? I only know man

[hazy laurel]

tldr seems like a man pager

[grim seal]

man with a search is pretty alright

[hazy laurel]

but... with a TLDR

[grim seal]

you need to install it

yeah tldr is just highly summarised examples sections from mannpages

it's nice

[hazy laurel]

sudo npm install -g tldr

[grim seal]

there is a python version as well iirc

ya https://pypi.org/project/tldr/

[hazy laurel]

Dunno, just got that from https://tldr.sh/

[wide totem]

wtf?

npm WARN npm npm does not support Node.js v10.24.0
npm WARN npm You should probably upgrade to a newer version of node as we
npm WARN npm can't make any promises that npm will work with this version.
npm WARN npm Supported releases of Node.js are the latest release of 4, 6, 7, 8, 9.

[hazy laurel]

https://github.com/tldr-pages/tldr/wiki/tldr-pages-clients

[hazy laurel]

npm install -g npm

to update iirc

something like that

oh wait. no the issue would be node not npm

[grim seal]

i recall node on rpi being hellish

[wide totem]

oh lovely lol

thinks about installing wrangler from releases

[hazy laurel]

tldr's a bit slow huh lol

[wide totem]

tl;dr tldr is slow

[crude trail]

So if I understand correctly, tldr is an npm package but it works for manpages? How?

[hazy laurel]

alias tldr="tldr -t ocean"

\😩

[hazy laurel]

I think it's a pager for man pages

like you can use neovim to page man pages

and it's really nice

[crude trail]

I am confused why it is npm and not apt or whatever the linux package manager is called

[hazy laurel]

because it'd be easier to install it like that cross-platform

instead of having to manage deps for each distribution

[crude trail]

you got a point there

[hazy laurel]

lol you can use bat as a man pager

I've wanted to make an alias for it

and call it batman

[crude trail]

has robin as a dependency

[hazy laurel]

yes

MANPAGER="nvim +Man\!" man sort

the highlighting makes it tolerable

[grim seal]

this is genius

[hazy laurel]

lol

[wide totem]

whyyyyyy

its not running my zlogin file

oh

nvm

vsc sucks

[hazy laurel]

yes

[wide totem]

AHHHHHHHH

my settings.json

{
}

oh right

i deleted vscode server two days ago

the entire folder

which would include the config

nice joe

#reddit worked four days in a row

[dusky cliff]

i keep forgetting that that channel exists

[hazy laurel]

lol

[wide totem]

wtf is even on this disk

[wheat rock]

country code iso's

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ISO_3166_country_codes

[wide totem]

time to sleep LOL

[dim root]

did u install it?

[wide totem]

ye

will do again tomorrow ig

[dim root]

it says docker-compose not found, try install it again

alright

[wide totem]

well yes, but also permission denied LOL

[dim root]

@wide totem sudo chmod +x /usr/local/bin/docker-compose

you probably forgot the second step

https://docs.docker.com/compose/install/

[wide totem]

i already closed terminal

o wait

[wide totem]

better

[dim root]

isntall it again

see the first command

[wide totem]

but still needs a reinstall

[dim root]

in Linux section

[wide totem]

yeah will tomorrow

[grim seal]

banking sucks

international banking specifically

[hazy laurel]

I knew joe worked for the mafia

[wide totem]

Just read an article from 2014

This is disturbing

Editor’s note: This report has been updated to remove the reported amount of cyanide used.

[hazy laurel]

interesing

[keen burrow]

Do Banks suck though? I believe they are nice guys

[dim root]

@keen burrow Happy Birthday, ig its the right day for your timezone 🎉

[grim seal]

😔😔✊🙏🙏

[odd sphinx]

guys

the joke is that

joe's name has banks in it

i think thats pretty funny

[dusky cliff]

dang dude
can't believe no one got the joke
thnx for the info

[odd sphinx]

np

always here to help

[grim seal]

guys

https://bgp.tools/as/211224#asinfo

[odd sphinx]

guys.

woah

whats this

[dusky cliff]

i don't click on your links

[odd sphinx]

damn

[dusky cliff]

but i'll risk it this one time

[odd sphinx]

same

same

what is an ASN

and whats the global routing table

what are u routung

where is the table

[dusky cliff]

we need answers joe

[odd sphinx]

is it made of mahogany

is it square

or circular

[dusky cliff]

no bro this isn't that kind of table

[odd sphinx]

does it have more than 4 legs

why does it operate in the Europe Union

[grim seal]

ASN so I can publish my IPs to the world

"Hello I am AS211224 and I have the routes for x.x.x.x/y here"

[odd sphinx]

oh

so if i request ur ip

it will go thru ur asn?

it can*

[grim seal]

it'll end up going through a route which I announce through my ASN

[odd sphinx]

damn

cool stuf

[lime drum]

lol why u have your own AS

i mean ig why not

still

on another note, how much did that cost?

[grim seal]

shitposting at the ISP level

[grim seal]

around £50, it is free for RIPE members to sponsor ASNs to others, so I pay a maintenance fee and that's it

[lime drum]

[lime drum]

lol nice

[grim seal]

2a0f:85c1:23::/48 is my only prefix right now, might get another

not sure

[tribal tinsel]

do you remember it by now or are you copying it? 😛

[grim seal]

hahaha I normally have a tab up that has it in, but I'm starting to remember it

i quite like ipv6

I used to think it was pretty ugly but I'm a large fan of it now

[tranquil ridge]

i still think its pretty ugly

[grim seal]

because I can spell words in the addresses

see!

[tribal tinsel]

minesweeper!

"420:6969:cafe:beef" XD

[odd sphinx]

lol

[grim seal]

yeah I have plans for minesweeper

not sure what protocol to do it over

ICMP is out because I want the result to be visible, telnet isn't a bad shout, alternatively I could do HTTP

I might use ICMP for the LED lights

[dim root]

whats AS?

[grim seal]

the identifier used for routing on the internet

[dim root]

ah

[grim seal]

this basically

you use it to identify yourself when talking to other routers

[dim root]

so when i go to pydis, it would send that to the server? that's how they connect?

[grim seal]

so right now I'm planning on pushing my routes upstream to Vultr, so I connect to Vultr's router and announce the routes there

yeah so

say I announce the IP 7.7.7.7 is accessible at that router

That gets pushed to Vultr, who then push that to someone like Telia, Telia are a tier 1 ISP meaning they see routes directly for every other network on the internet, so then Telia distribute those routes down to ACME ISP or whoever your ISP is

so when you visit 7.7.7.7 it goes to your ISP, then to Telia's router, then to Vultr, then to me

and that's what trace route is

it's the hops to get from you to destination and shows all the routers inbetween

[dim root]

ooh i get it

[grim seal]

(This isn't for Python Discord, because I don't trust myself not to go bonkers with that in prod, so it's just for education/fun 😄)

[tribal tinsel]

like that one ot name said recently, you have too much free time

[dim root]

lol

[grim seal]

lmfao

it's my summer project 🙂

[tribal tinsel]

I need to buy you that tamagotchi I promised you, then you'll do something beside tech stuff...

[lime drum]

why not go straight to a tier 1 as

also i love the fact that the only thing keeping cogent and hurricane from becoming tier 1 is themselves

[gusty rivet]

anyone know of a bash autocomplete for vscode?

[hot pulsar]

ya u install xonsh and then u write shell code in python with python autocompletes

:^)

[gusty rivet]

xonsh? python? I-

im confused now lol

[hot pulsar]

google it

[lime drum]

https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=mads-hartmann.bash-ide-vscode

[gusty rivet]

so its a bash format that also interprets python?

[gusty rivet]

i'll check it out, thanks

[gusty rivet]

works perfectly, thank you

[lime drum]

👍

[grim seal]

lul

[grim seal]

neither of them will make the first move because they'll end up having to pay transit costs to the other, which is worse than not being a tier 1 lol

iirc cogent also doesn't have routes to google

I don't think HE has NTT either

[lime drum]

jup

[lime drum]

yeah, or they could just agree on settlement free peering

[lilac vale]

@pastel nest hi

remember me?

i currently have no idea abt how to make a pr

[lime drum]

yeah HE is missing NTT/AS2914, Cogent/AS174, and Tata/AS6453 which it purchases the routes from Cogent/AS174
and Cogent is missing Google/AS15169 nor Hurricane Electric/AS6939

[lilac vale]

so could you make a pr for me? you can include your code

[grim seal]

lol, we'll see

HE have been trying for years

[lime drum]

in the end neither of us really cares

[grim seal]

lol yeah

not sure who I upstream to from vultr

I might also get to upstream from a friends colo in london straight to BT

[lime drum]

lol

on another note, openai somehow deems me worthy to get access to their api beta

[grim seal]

lol for gpt3?

[lime drum]

yeah

its actually pretty scary

i feed it some snippets of conversations and the result is more or less something the ppl involved would say

[grim seal]

lol yeah it's wild

[lime drum]

applied for it like a month or so, didnt expect that i'd actually get accepted

[grim seal]

lol ya I got accepted in 3 days I was really confused

lol https://peerwith.me/211224

actually a kinda fire ASN two double digits

[lime drum]

neat

[pastel nest]

Which pr? I can guide you through it

[lilac vale]

the pr for the rps and toss command

i have no clue how to use github

[dim root]

someone already made a pr ig, also #dev-contrib is the right place for this

[lilac vale]

alright

[limpid fern]

I run a server and we have a massive problem with people asking to ask questions even in sections that are clearly marked as places to ask questions.
Have taken inspiration from Python server but we’re missing a certain magic that is causing people to ignore the multiple attempts to tell them that they need to just ask their question (we could not tell them any more, it’s rule , welcome screen outlines rule and also says to read rule twice, in the description of the help channels it says to just ask and that they can ask here and also mentions rule ).
What do newbies need in order to just ask their question? Because currently I made a bot that uses natural language processing to identify those that ignore it and it’s kinda a waste of processing (but it does make me happy when it works and I like seeing it, however there are false negatives and false positives that aren’t that uncommon).
The server can offer support on basically all topics and it isn’t language specific

[odd sphinx]

hot damn

[limpid fern]

(95% of people will then actually ask, 5% will keep asking to ask until someone tells them yes. Also title links to http://sol.gfxile.net/dontask.html, it is also available in the rules)

[jovial island]

Hmm. I feel like there can be something better to say than "don't ask to ask, just ask"

[dim root]

code monkey is your server 👀

[limpid fern]

Not sure what, if they haven’t read the first rule they can’t really be trusted to read anything that isn’t short. There’s also a link in the title and with rule that explains further and why better than we could without spam

[jovial island]

I think there's a question to be made whether that should be considered a rule, and whether that should be the first rule

"Recommendation" can be more proper, rather than a rule

[dim root]

maybe something like the embed there is in every help channel when it becomes available

[limpid fern]

It is a rule because it’s improper behaviour to not just ask the question, it’s just that you don’t get any warnings and nobody has been kicked or banned for breaking it
We also expect users to read the rules, especially the first one

[jovial island]

I think that might make the other rules less impactful

[limpid fern]

People don’t have a problem not breaking the other rules even the no username hoisting rule which is the only non-standard one other than

Will try making it a recommendation and changing the wording and see if it changes anything

[jovial island]

I think an embed like this might be more informative and direct: ```
<@tag> Feel free to ask directly! (Feel free to ask directly in the future, too)

i think there was nice command in a server

dontasktoask

[jovial island]

Although I guess you should take this with a grain of salt

[limpid fern]

Probably links to http://sol.gfxile.net/dontask.html which explains the problem really well

If only Discord had A/B testing 😹

[jovial island]

I feel Discord could benefit from actually visible pinned messages

Which could help with your problem, assuming that feature exists

[daring jay]

There are bots that keep a message at the bottom of a channel at all times

As some way to actually make people pay attention

[jovial island]

Does it work?

[limpid fern]

Yeah, probably will need to do that

[limpid fern]

You just have to post, then delete and repost when it isn’t at the bottom

[daring jay]

Better than normal? Yeah

Perfectly, nah

People don't always pay attention

[limpid fern]

Anything that can cut breakers in half would reduce it a lot

[dusky cliff]

that sounds pretty distracting ngl
imagine trying to have a conversation with a bot messaging every time you say something

[limpid fern]

Well it wouldn’t necessarily be done after every message but rather once the problem is resolved for the next user.
It’s what Python Discord does but we have many help channels rather than dynamic ones, but might need to go with dynamic

[jovial island]

Ah

[young cave]

hey, i'm writing a school assignment about USBs, but i'm having issues wrapping my head around how they work. specifically what the different pins are for, and how data is transferred. would anyone be able to explain it to me?

i'm looking at the USB-A 3.0

[rugged portal]

Have you looked at the wiki page?

[limpid fern]

There are 4 pins +5V, Data-, Data+, and ground. The +5V and ground supply power. Data- or Data+ can be pulled to a certain voltage depending on the direction of data (there are fixed clock cycles at different speeds, there isn’t a clock pin). The other Data- or + pin transmits the data.

[young cave]

i found the wikipedia page a bit confusing when it came to the actual function of the plugs

[young cave]

so the data - and + pins are part of the same circuit?

[limpid fern]

I think data pins are connected to the +5V and ground loop, but there’s always draw through the data pin when in use. But only take what I said as a brief overview, wiki will know

[pliant trench]

is there anybody that can get 200wpm within 1 second ? lol

what the heck is this challenge

[unreal sigil]

One second

That sounds pretty easy

[pliant trench]

ok

let's try

try it

[unreal sigil]

perhaps a little harder than anticipated

[pliant trench]

200wpm

I got 180 but not 200

you wrote a py script ?

lol

can you share pls?

wanna see the logic

[dusky cliff]

i can't even get past 130 wpm rip

oh yay 132

[pliant trench]

oh i got 189

near

[unreal sigil]

closer

[pliant trench]

nice

189 again

[unreal sigil]

I don't understand how it's physically possible for people to get like 270 in 60 second tests

[young cave]

but like, is data sent through both data- and data+ individually?

[limpid fern]

It depends on the direction, so for instance for one direction data- might be pulled to -3.33V and then data is sent +3.33V through data+, and for the other way data+ is pulled to -3.33V and data sent on data- at +3.33V (I can't remember which direction is which). Also the pulled voltage depends on the speed of the clock

[young cave]

so they send data in different directions?

so they send data in different directions?

[limpid fern]

It allows for 2 way communication but only 1 at a time (but they can swap quickly). It is a serial bus

[pliant trench]

mi nithe

@cobalt tiger did you really make a py script ?

[limpid fern]

You're so slow

You can use this to be realistically fast though

[wide totem]

wait what is

[limpid fern]

USB

The universal something something

[wide totem]

universal serial bus

[limpid fern]

It was a joke, just a bad one

It is a serial bus

[median blade]

universal serial bus

[wide totem]

oh ;-;

[pliant trench]

How did you make it ??

I want the source >:(

[limpid fern]

JavaScript, just read the words and then for the first one I set the input to the whole word with a delay and then simulated pressing the enter key, for the second I did the same but each letter (the delay also gradually increased)

I went back to the site and the extension I was using for the script had deleted it

[gusty rivet]

.innerHtml i assume?

[limpid fern]

Yeah, selected all of the word elements, mapped with innerText and for the first left it as words, for the other I reduced with els.reduce((acc, el) => [...acc, ...el.innerText], []) or something

[pliant trench]

I mean, how did you attach your javascript code to brave?

[limpid fern]

https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/styler/bogdgcfoocbajfkjjolkmcdcnnellpkb or just console

[pliant trench]

well that's how it is....

hm, ok, no preview

[neat light]

it's only 48 bytes

[lucid osprey]

opera is too slow

whats a better alternative except for chrome?

[limpid fern]

Brave

[hot pulsar]

brave is gross

[lucid osprey]

been told about the ceo.

[limpid fern]

Edge then

[lucid osprey]

firefox good?

hmmm

[hot pulsar]

https://privacytools.io/browsers/#browser

[dim root]

Yes Firefox

[limpid fern]

I don't like FF because it's so FF slow and uses too much CPU

[hot pulsar]

ff is the best

and its not slow lol

[dim root]

Dev tools are awesome

[limpid fern]

#846514617261621292 message & #846514617261621292 message

[limpid fern]

The dev tools are why I do use FF despite hating it

[limpid fern]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/463035268514185226/850065998600994826/unknown.png https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/463035268514185226/850066127903260713/unknown.png
The CPU usage is insane

[hot pulsar]

i mean i see that, but i also dont really put any faith into your anecdotal evidence while also having a hundred different extensions installed

ff is just as fast as chrome

[limpid fern]

It's much slower, it's noticeably slower with every click

[hot pulsar]

i can see that much in your video, i believe you are experiencing this

im just telling you that you are wrong

thats not normal

look up any benchmarks

[limpid fern]

When I made those videos last year other people did side by side comparisons and while I did have it worse everyone found that FF was slower by between a little and a lot. So I know that while my experience is the worst it's not that far off normal

Anyone who is planning to move to FF should do a side by side comparison and see if they're willing to waste a second for every click

[somber belfry]

I use Vivaldi

it's chromium-based

[pliant trench]

currently, the best chromium-based is brave

[limpid fern]

As long as you believe in death of the author and have ads completely disabled. I don't support the CEO's actions at all but the browser itself is the best

[wide totem]

Firefox is a lot faster now

[limpid fern]

I have tested FF's speed a couple days ago and it is still slower than Brave by a noticeable amount and I can't put up with it.
Have a song from my 2nd favourite album https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avy91JCB_YM (brave > FF when it comes to performance)

[wide totem]

I reset Firefox once to speed it up lol

Also sometimes Firefox gets slower being open for a while....

[limpid fern]

EVEN slower?

[wide totem]

No, my phirephox is really fasst

[wide totem]

I use Firefox nightly.

My dns server is set to cloudflare 1.1.1.1
And I'm using cloudflare warp

Im on my 5GHz network band for wifi, so my speeds are around 67MB (yeah not that great)

Pages load in about 1-2s

[limpid fern]

NextDNS tho (tbh, NextDNS is the reason I'm considering going back to Chrome)

[wide totem]

Why?

I must know more about next dns

Also don't you have work?

[limpid fern]

Adblock on the DNS level, so it works with mobile and mobile apps (you can get a trial without signing up) https://nextdns.io/?from=ex8cfq9y [it is a referral link, I get 30% off]
It's basically pihole

I do, but I keep being distracted

Closing Discord now

[wide totem]

Hmmm

Same here tho lmao

[hot pulsar]

It's basically just a cloud based pihole

It's decent enough, you have to trust the company though will all your DNS browsing history...

Imo just buy a rpi and set up pihole

[grim seal]

NextDNS is great

[wide totem]

hello joe

[grim seal]

hello

[wide totem]

ty for teaching me a bit about british sarcasm

its not bad

[grim seal]

it's great

[wide totem]

hm, what don't you like about it then?

[grim seal]

lol

[wide totem]

were you actually not being sarcastic when you said its great?!

[limpid fern]

There’s a difference between sincerity and sarcasm?

Great

[wide totem]

Is there?

[rose schooner]

hey yall watch cornhub

[wide totem]

Sigh.

[rose schooner]

i do

[wide totem]

What's that?

[rose schooner]

https://cornhub.website

[wide totem]

Ah

[rose schooner]

man of cultury.

[wide totem]

Probably shouldn't be here regardless

[lament kestrel]

Corn?

[rose schooner]

yes

[lament kestrel]

Sheesh
That shit needs a filter

[rose schooner]

why

[sinful sun]

Bruh

[lament kestrel]

||/j||

[rose schooner]

i registred 😎

[royal lantern]

whats happening 👀

[wide totem]

Hello iceman

Congrats on mod

[royal lantern]

ty

[limpid fern]

I'm disappointed in the lack of videos

[wide totem]

😳

It's an interesting..... website

With a FAQ page why lol

FAQ

WTF is this?
This is a parody site I made. It's not affiliated with them in any way.

Why did you make this?
I have too much free time.

Your corn puns are awful.
That's not a question. But I agree.

[rose schooner]

Lmao

[atomic timber]

is ascii art allowed here?

[wide totem]

test:

rust.

[wide totem]

Nope @languid osprey didnt respond.

[languid osprey]

Unfair

I was in car

No internet

[wide totem]

@limpid fern

[limpid fern]

Yo

[wide totem]

Now rust

@limpid fern @languid osprey why rust over anything else?

[languid osprey]

Rust

Rust rust rust

[wide totem]

Hm, that makes some good points

But

[limpid fern]

It's fun, fast, powerful, and can be used for basically anything (with a bit of JS to fill in web front-end gaps)

[wide totem]

Python

[wide totem]

Python python python?

[languid osprey]

Rust == python

[limpid fern]

No, Rust is better than Python

[languid osprey]

Hm

I feel conflicted

Oop gtg

[limpid fern]

Python is still decent, but no language comes close

Rust is perfection

[wide totem]

Rust is not perfection

[daring jay]

I wish Rust was a tiny bit simpler

[wide totem]

Rust has been old since it was first created. The name is rust ffs

[daring jay]

In terms of syntactical sugar

[limpid fern]

Yeah with Rust it's all or nothing, but with editions it has the possibility of having large structural changes

[wide totem]

If when I ever use another language, it's gonna fucking suck for whitespacing to mean nothing

[daring jay]

Rust editions are like it's version of major versioning, right?

[wide totem]

Does whitespace mean anything in rust?

[limpid fern]

You only know 1 language? That might be what’s warping your view on Python being the best

[wide totem]

N-no

I know English too ;-;

[daring jay]

Python is great, don't get me wrong, but other langs do other things better

[limpid fern]

Kinda, basically any compiler in the future will understand what 2018 edition is so there are never any breaking changes

[wide totem]

The last coding language I used was autohotkey and before that bbtag so I've used the most worstest of all languages tyvm

Therefore python is great in comparison to both of those

Also used Java once

[limpid fern]

I recommend trying other languages and broadening what you know

[wide totem]

I'll

Try

One

Maybe not rust lol

But uh I do need to get into some front end dev stuff sooner or later

[limpid fern]

Rust is a bit hard mode coming from a scripting language, but give it a go first

[wide totem]

Also i haven't even been using python for a while

[limpid fern]

Try TypeScript (for front end) and then Rust

[wide totem]

Haha.

[wide totem]

What does ts do?

[daring jay]

TS makes JS more bearable

Because it has a stricter compiler and adds typings

[limpid fern]

It's essentially a typed version of JavaScript, as well as a smattering of extra features and polyfills

[grim seal]

🙂

[tame merlin]

DUCK NORRIS

YAS

[daring jay]

Like in the TypeScript compiler

i = "hewwo"
console.log(i)```wouldn't be valid, which is good

Since sadly, that's valid in JavaScript

[wide totem]

Oh. Way too many devs overuse js

[cyan vine]

wat

[wide totem]

CSS should be used as much as possible when applicable over js

[cyan vine]

wat

[limpid fern]

In what way do you think they "overuse js"?

[cyan vine]

you shouldn't be using inline style attributes, so the argument is redundant

[limpid fern]

It might be a good idea to learn CSS (SCSS), HTML (Pug), and JS (TS) first - oh yeah front-end web nobody uses all 3 vanilla HTML, CSS, and JS

[daring jay]

That's not really true. There are many things that are much easier to implement in JS than CSS

@wide totem If you love whitespace so much, learn Sass

It's basically CSS based on whitespace

[wide totem]

Just be my teacher why don't you smh

[limpid fern]

Any questions you can ask in CM and I will help you out

[wide totem]

why_so_many_languages.jpg

[daring jay]

Because it's a whole other world out there

[wide totem]

True

[limpid fern]

They're pre-processors that make HTML, CSS, and JS better (there's many of each of them too, but Pug, SCSS, and TS are most popular)

[wide totem]

Let's just say I have enough trouble with github and git right now, which are just tools.... Not even languages.

[daring jay]

We haven't even mentioned languages like JSX, Vue, Angular, Svelte, all which make things a lot easier

[cyan vine]

they're not the same thing... at all

[daring jay]

git is haaaaaard

[daring jay]

I agree, but ARU said CSS should always be used if it can over JS

[cyan vine]

so what you said made zero sense

[wide totem]

Fwiw typescript has always felt fun

[cyan vine]

CSS can't be used in place of JS

[wide totem]

For styling stuff, yes

[daring jay]

Well yes

But you said always

[cyan vine]

if you're creating elements with javascript you just add a class and css handles it

if you are using inline style attributes you're doing something very wrong

[daring jay]

Like, you can do some pretty complex animation with CSS keyframes. But should you really do that all the time instead of using JS? No

[wide totem]

Someone sent me this

https://philipwalton.com/articles/why-web-developers-need-to-care-about-interactivity/

Javascript can be horribly misused

[steep scroll]

You might like my tic-tac-toe that doesn't use any JS, it's all CSS https://codepen.io/z-/pen/LYPqaME

[daring jay]

The page hasn’t finished loading the JavaScript needed to control its DOM.
Well duh, use a bundler and maybe some SSR/SSG kids

[wide totem]

Ah cool

[cyan vine]

without opening the link is it talking about putting javascript just before </body> or something?

[daring jay]

That's very cool! Like they say, HTML/CSS is Turing complete

[steep scroll]

Seriously though, JS should be used for things. You shouldn't for instance use a masked checkbox to open a menu, you can without JS, but it's not good practice

[wide totem]

OK not every possibility but all styling

Or most

[steep scroll]

CSS isn't Turing complete, but it is a programming language, while HTML is a coding language

You can't go backwards with CSS

[daring jay]

That's why frameworks like React, Vue, Angular, and Svelte are nice. They make it easier to use the two languages together.

[cyan vine]

you're supposed to make a functional website with js turned off, then add the js on top. a lot of people don't even bother with this step and jump straight into js

[daring jay]

If you can't make a semi-decent website with HTML/CSS, you have no business learning JS for the sake of reactivity or whatever

[steep scroll]

Checkboxes isn't a real solution, it's a toy

[wide totem]

Hm, if @rapid zinc is there they would be very interested in this conversation

[daring jay]

Honestly, you should never load everything on the site (unless it's simple and won't stress the DOM) when your user initially loads it. You either need to use a bundler like Webpack or do some serious lazyloading.

[steep scroll]

Fact of the matter is that while it would be amazing to make a website that didn't need any JS while having interactivity, the hacks required are not stable and they aren't accessible. Most websites require JS for actual functions on top of basic interactivity, you can rely on expecting users to either use the website with JS enabled or are full screen with JS disabled, you really only need JS enabled in most cases for navigation which is only an issue with narrow viewports.

[wide totem]

What did we do before bast?

[rapid zinc]

This is true. You can use checkboxes and radiobuttons to maintain interactivity, and while it can end up hacky, amazon.com uses radiobuttons for their tabs and views for graceful degradation

I do not agree with lazyloading

[daring jay]

I don't like lazyloading either, but some people do it 🤷‍♂️

[rapid zinc]

People do it far too much

[wide totem]

I mean Javascript

[rapid zinc]

Images is fine, images are expensive, but as soon as you start lazyloading things that are not images you have other problems

[daring jay]

Absolutely. JS is mostly used (in frontend) since there are things you'd rather do client side than server side.

[steep scroll]

I like lazy loading for images, everything else I just want to have been done fast

[rapid zinc]

Brotli compression which is supported by effectively everyone compresses page contents, javascriot, and css by about 90%

[daring jay]

If you're lazyloading content that's not images, you're doing something wrong imo.

[rapid zinc]

This means that in 100kb you can transfer a full megabyte of text

[steep scroll]

Websites with progress bars first thing, nope

[daring jay]

I kinda love this site: https://kryogenix.org/code/browser/everyonehasjs.html

[steep scroll]

https://www.spacejam.com/ like why

[rapid zinc]

holy crap

a progress bar

to load

a youtube video overlay?

On top of some text and an image??

[steep scroll]

Yeah