where do you guys put ur version in github projects?
#ot2-the-original-pubsta
pliant trench
fluid haven
git tags
pliant trench
no
i mean
like package.json
or like in yml files?
but that's not related to python
it's an offtopic
pliant trench
https://github.com/python/cpython/tree/v3.9.1
assume it's not python
fluid haven
You can do this for any git project
fluid haven
Yes, for npm projects
steel eagle
where do you guys put ur version in github projects?
Depends entirely on your project.
pliant trench
why tho
steel eagle
My recent stuff uses poetry so it's in pyproject.toml
fluid haven
tags work for all projects
pliant trench
no god forget tags
steel eagle
My vs code theme has a package.json, it's in there
Basically
Put it whenever it makes sense for the systems you're using
Generally you want to mirror it in your readme
And use precommit hooks to update everything on commit
So you don't miss things
pliant trench
I've no idea what's "precommit hook"
pliant trench
Put it whenever it makes sense for the systems you're using
like where?
y'all gone ?
fluid haven
If it's a python package you are distributing I would use pyproject.toml
pliant trench
so python = pipenv & .toml
x = package.json
y = something.yml
?
steel eagle
I can't do it for you mate, look at other projects that use the same systems you're using
And take them at example
lucid osprey
check all ot channels and this dude's message is there
steel eagle
check all ot channels and this dude's message is there
Yes, the kid constantly posts random things with no meaning, just ignore it
Then use package. Json
lucid osprey
Yes, the kid constantly posts random things with no meaning, just ignore it
I've noticed
random response to other messages not meant for him lol "ok" "ik"
pliant trench
dude stop
pliant trench
ah, I'm kinda confused between TOML and YAML
for packaging
is there any difference between them?
like are they supposed to be used for a specific language ?
limber pollen
is there any difference between them?
Everything about them is different
TOML is simpler, less whitespace-dependent
YAML has a hierarchy and is generally easier to grasp except for a few gotchas like weird parsing
fluid sparrow
I'd avoid YAML unless you're quite familiar with it; it has a lot of gotchas
proper python
i think the ultimate achievement in fighting games is getting your playstyle get called gay in post game chat
because then you know for a fact the opponent's tilted
pliant trench
I'd avoid YAML unless you're quite familiar with it; it has a *lot* of gotchas
what
it's really easy
fluid sparrow
๐คท subjective
languid osprey
Lol
broken summit
bonsoir
jovial island
olah
round moss
F# does seem interesting, I do need to get to .net stuff at some point
broken summit
.net is pretty nice actually
round moss
I know
broken summit
with the one exception of uhm
cross-platform stuff
but other than that it is pretty nice
broken summit
yeah that's the main problem
console apps are pretty portable
but anything wpf is most definitely not
C# is really nice too, it is literally just a java clone but without the jank
round moss
C# doesn't seem better enough than java for me to give up javas libraries
jovial island
isn't .net core mostly fine with that
yep *.NET has made big moves to be cross platform
round moss
Powershell is great though
jovial island
it's been voted among the worst langs many times over
round moss
java has almost more library ecosystem than even python, since well, it was the one language to do things in for years.
broken summit
Powershell is great though
press [Y] to disagree
jovial island
yea Java's ecosystem is pretty solid too, like if I try to install to a python package to solve a problem its a bit of a dice role
alot of python code hasn't really been vetted, but that's not pythons fault
broken summit
i use python pretty much exclusively as a scripting lang
for when i wanna automate simple stuff
jovial island
i use python pretty much exclusively as a scripting lang
that's its major role
round moss
scripts are the one thing that rely on vast libraries the most
honestly, I do not like bash
broken summit
i don't like bash either
nor do i particularly like pytohn
python
but
scripting go brr
jovial island
Bash is pretty darn clunky lol. Not that any of those languages are "good" they serve a purpose though
there's some good things about python though
like as soon as you say "go" it's going. If you need to glue two random things together "there's a library for that", etc
but after I write python I often get this feeling like "man this isn't gonna last is it"
broken summit
lmao
jovial island
and it can be pretty slow I guess
shadow elk
I absolutely hate bash. I failed to understand its syntax or how to write basic loops/arithmetic expressions.
broken summit
i love that people compare go's speed to python
oH iTs fAsTeR tHaN pYtHoN
-_-
jovial island
I absolutely hate bash. I failed to understand its syntax or how to write basic ...
so think of Bash as a glue to cmdline tools and it makes more sense. It's not made for arithmatic unless you like pain lol
jovial island
never heard of it? google
round moss
it is an xml schema to generate xml
jovial island
isn't there a lot of overhead for using JSON?
round moss
JSON is fast
round moss
XML is also pretty fast
shadow elk
Is there something like BSON for XML?
round moss
keep in mind, xml is ancient
jovial island
BSON is a life saver
round moss
I think postgres can store and query xml docs
shadow elk
BSON is a life saver
BaSh Object Notation 
jovial island
postgres can also handle JSON(to some extent) now. They're trying to keep up with the NoSQL trends I guess
broken summit
i use exclusively json for persistent state in my discord bots lmao
round moss
like, I was able to write AOC in xslt and it wasn't that painful
jovial island
BaSh Object Notation <:hyperlemon:435707922563989524>
Binary JSON ๐
round moss
nor that slow
radiant socket
i've still not finished aoc in rust ๐
shadow elk
I was too lazy for AOC
broken summit
i did my aoc day 1 in haskell
jovial island
Rust has a steep learning curve, I'm still a noob
jovial island
keep at it ๐
round moss
honestly, xml namespaces make it really nice for persistent storage, can just dump stupid things in it, though sqlite still ends up better most of the time.
there are things like xmlQuery
jovial island
honestly, xml namespaces make it really nice for persistent storage, can just du...
sometimes I wish there was something better for local storage tbh. I don't like sql-lite it rips out alot of the advantages of real SQL
round moss
it really doesn't
jovial island
usually I end up with flat files
round moss
I do want to write a seek based database one day
jovial island
I wanna make a graph DB ๐
someone just typed something super dark and bannable... then deleted it
jovial island
anyway, I feel like there's, a workflow I'm trying to build and I'm still learning what tools to use and when/why
jovial island
so for quick scripts I like a prototyping lang like Julia/Python/R. Then for desktop I like C++ and am learning Rust. But - I'm still not sure what to do about web...
for data hah there's no answer. SQL/REST usually, other things when needed...
broken summit
eep
jovial island
yea the stuff @ancient patio is slipping through are pretty whack
oh and for fun Haskell definitely
jovial island
it is awesome
jovial island
>>> x=x
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "<stdin>", line 1, in <module>
NameError: name 'x' is not defined
strictly speaking, an error is a valid result
round moss
its not like it does anything meaningful in haskell either
round moss
!e
compile('x=x', '', 'exec')
clever salmonBOT
@round moss :warning: Your eval job has completed with return code 0.
[No output]
what does the compile function do then?
jovial island
python is like 'semi" compiled. It gets interpretted then compiled into bytecode
round moss
compiled into bytecode, then you interpret the bytecode
jovial island
but it's not the same as like static compilation
round moss
the compilation is just really fast and cached
jovial island
compiled into bytecode, then you interpret the bytecode
right sorry
round moss
so you don't really notice it
jovial island
yea
really the only major flaws with python are it's performance and parallelism model in my opinion.
round moss
there are things you can use to show off what you want to show off
jovial island
haskell is awesome because of what it is, like if you want to use haskell there's nothing like it.
broken summit
indeed
jovial island
if you don't want haskell like... its scary as hell lol
broken summit
lmao
vernal kelp
Not really a helpful comparison tho 
mint lintel
hi avery, i didn't know you were here
idk if we've actually talked much but i've read messages from you in the conlang critic server
jovial island
conlang?
round moss
consider fibs = 0: scanl (+) 1 fibs
python can't do that
(well, it kind of can with yield from but it is not the common way to solve such problems)
jovial island
(well, it kind of can with yield from but it is not the common way to solve such...
yea I mean you can bake a lot of FP into python it's just not always what it's meant for.
kinda like JS I guess.
round moss
JS does have pretty solid support for FP overall
you can even get not horrible transducers
jovial island
JS does have pretty solid support for FP overall
yes, it didn't always though, but its become more trendy
Julia's got a transducer library
round moss
Julia just straight up supports FP
jovial island
no TCO though, I mean sometimes it will compile it in, but not a gauranteed behavior
jovial island
yea and I think Rust
broken summit
~~idk if we've actually talked much but i've read messages from you in the conla...
conalng cricit ๐
broken summit
consider `fibs = 0: scanl (+) 1 fibs`
fibs = 0 : 1 : zipWith (+) fibs (tail fibs)
the term 'compiled' is a bit weird, honestly
is Java/C#/F# compiled?
all of them compile to bytecode that is then interpreted
but people often refer to them as 'compiled'
round moss
I really think the most useful definition is "do you get a file you can run out of the compiler"
shadow elk
I really think the most useful definition is "do you get a file you can run out ...
So Nuitka makes Python a compiled language?
round moss
Yes
round moss
A language is a specification
shadow elk
right
round moss
Bash is definitely interpreted since it is actually specified to read line by line
shadow elk
So a 'non-compiled language' is a language spec for which there isn't a compiler yet?
round moss
Yes
shadow elk
but Python/JS isn't usually compiled to an executable -- maybe this should be a consideration?
although it does make the definition fuzzy
round moss
Python is compiled if you use nuitka, interpreted if you use cpython
shadow elk
wide totem
What is nuitka?
round moss
Seems pretty true to me
wide totem
And cppthon is?
shadow elk
CPython is the default implementation of Python
if you don't know which one you're using, you're using CPython
wide totem
I'm pretty new to python, only been going for a month ๐
shadow elk
it's the one that comes from https://python.org
wide totem
The default installed one
What is the difference in the results?
In the case of cpython, does it just bundle the interpreter with the code?
And in nuitka, compiling it turns it into byte code?
Right?
shadow elk
CPython works by first compiling the source code into bytecode (which is just a bunch of low-level operations), and then interpreting that bytecode.
Nuitka compiles Python to C, and then compiles that C.
wide totem
Because python is written in c
broken summit
interesting
shadow elk
I don't know how exactly Nuitka works, so can't comment more
round moss
Python is written in english, CPython is written in C
wide totem
Python is written in english, CPython is written in C
What do you mean, English?
Python was written from c, no?
shadow elk
What do you mean, English?
Python is a language, it's not a program. It can have many implementations.
round moss
Python is a formal description of how the programming language python should behave
broken summit
Python is a language, it's not a program. It can have many implementations.
many implementation 
shadow elk
fixed
broken summit
many implementation sometime bad
round moss
What you know as python and download from python.org is actually CPython
wide totem
Ah. Python was originally c on windows tho, iirc from a previous conversation
broken summit
one implementation usually good
shadow elk
many implementation sometime bad
I'm not a native English speaker, sometimes I forget s at the end of plurals.
broken summit
oh no
shadow elk
Python is a formal description of how the programming language python should beh...
Python doesn't even have a more or less formal specification besides the docs, right?
broken summit
i was not commenting on the plural
shadow elk
ah
round moss
The docs are pretty formal tbh
broken summit
idc i ain't into prescriptivism
i am just making the point that having many implementations can be dangerous sometimes
round moss
Jesus, I never made the connection that correcting grammar is to an extent prescriptivism
That is such a weird thought
shadow elk
i am just making the point that having many implementations can be dangerous som...
It's actually pretty good, we have PyPy.
broken summit
yes but
when there are multiple implementations
you have to have a very ironclad spec
otherwise.. problems
lmao
round moss
To be fair, the python spec is quite rigid
round moss
And is properly kept separate from CPython
broken summit
just saying it can be a risk
round moss
C++ is better than C
broken summit
i honestly prefer C to C++
round moss
C++ has the issue that no one actually implements the spec in full
wide totem
Jesus, I never made the connection that correcting grammar is to an extent presc...
*Grammer /s
What is prescripfivism?
round moss
Since it's so complex
broken summit
C++ has so many issues
shadow elk
C++ has the issue that no one actually implements the spec in full
huh?
how is that possible?
round moss
There are 0 compliant impls of cpp20 as of right now afaik
broken summit
lmfaooo
round moss
@wide totem linguists have the job of writing down language rules. Prescriptivism is if they set the rules, rather than write the rules down as per how the language is actually used in practice
It's a bad thing generally
wide totem
Ah
broken summit
yes
it could also be said to be the idea that one form of a language is in some way more correct than another
the main problem with grammar correcting and such is that specifically with english there are so many variants and so much slang that it becomes really hard to say what is or isn't good english
and in general it is fine and understandable so
๐
shadow elk
I'd actually be glad if someone corrected me every time I made a mistake
wide totem
I'd actually be glad if someone corrected me every time I made a mistake
That would make finding bugs so much easier
shadow elk
well, I meant englishwise
round moss
I mean, IDEs do do just that
wide totem
True
shadow elk
"every time" /shrug
the betrayal... https://www.grammarly.com/blog/everytime-every-time
shadow elk
I mean, IDEs do do just that
but they don't correct every mistake, even if you have dependent types
but they do to an extent
round moss
I am excited for the day dependent types become useful
wide totem
the betrayal... <https://www.grammarly.com/blog/everytime-every-time>
That wasn't a correction, just saying that every time you made a mistake someone would correct, you didn't specify English only. Maybe that was the mistake :P
shadow elk
I am excited for the day dependent types become useful
What's the main blocker in their use in production? Too much work to complete basic tasks? Or lack of libraries for JSON, web communication etc.? Or lack of tutorials? Or the sheer amount of math jargon and advanced math concepts?
round moss
Yes
shadow elk
Now that I listed all that, I can kind of see...
round moss
It's like write slightly fewer bugs at the cost of you having to learn many many new things
Like elm is safe enough
shadow elk
what would be an example of a problem/task that would benefit from dependent types?
round moss
I mostly just wants Ada ranges in a modern programming language.
shadow elk
what would be an example of a problem/task that would benefit from dependent typ...
a compiler, I guess?
something about memory safety?
shadow elk
what would be an example of a problem/task that would benefit from dependent typ...
(apart from literally proving a theorem)
round moss
There is a C compiler in Coq that matches GCC for the parts it implements
shadow elk
how do you know so many languages?
round moss
Dependent typing seems nice for critical things that cannot ever error but don't need to be very space efficient
shadow elk
Dependent typing seems nice for critical things that cannot ever error but don't...
like satellites?
or like, medical equipment
round moss
Medical equipment, banks, air traffic controller, aircraft software
Satellites if the optimisers suddenly get vastly better
Imagine Idris 2 on a mainframe lol
shadow elk
Well, a spaceship can compile a new version of Idris on its way from Earth to Pluto, lol
will be just in time
round moss
I still find the fact that idris 2 ends up creating faster executables than idris 1 by compiling to scheme hilarious
shadow elk
huh?
round moss
Scheme compilers are really good
round moss
More like compiling to C, but you get a free GC
Scheme gets compiled all the way to machine code
But has an interpreter too
Like CL
fading pumice
ok then
jovial island
I'd actually be glad if someone corrected me every time I made a mistake
same
jovial island
like compiling Python to JS for performance?
something about that statement makes me feel sick inside lol
I get it - JS isn't a total slouch, really I do. But JS is a bit of an abomination you know what I mean?
Like, if I could turn back to ~20 years ago and figure out a way to write any form of competitor to JS, or really any interface for anything else, I would.
shadow elk
Like, if I could turn back to ~20 years ago and figure out a way to write any fo...
Well, nowadays you have languages like TypeScript, Elm and PureScript that compile to JS. But you still need to know JS to use them, and you occasionally need to write JS.
Also, there's wasm, but I don't know how popular it is
jovial island
WASM looks like a way out, but for now you still need a JS to access it (my understanding)
compiling to JS doesn't solve the problem that is JS ๐ฆ
shadow elk
compiling to JS doesn't solve the problem that is JS ๐ฆ
Yeah, but it hides some pain points like undefined popping out of nowhere.
jovial island
Yeah, but it hides some pain points like `undefined` popping out of nowhere.
supposedly TS is slightly faster then JS too
shadow elk
supposedly TS is slightly faster then JS too
how would that be possible?
jovial island
have you ever tried PureScript? it looks interest
shadow elk
I'm learning PureScript right now ๐
jovial island
how would that be possible?
I asked the same question, I don't know, but supposedly it's slightly faster, Maybe it organizes code better or something. I'm super skeptical it sounds like hype nonsense to me.
shadow elk
it does sound like nonsense to me.
because to 'compile to JS', it just strips the type annotations
jovial island
I'm learning PureScript right now ๐
are you liking it? I've considered learning purescript, mostly to hide from JS when I do webby things, but I keep hoping for a miracle
shadow elk
because to 'compile to JS', it just strips the type annotations
...and does some other substitutions, like decorators and null-aware operators
shadow elk
are you liking it? I've considered learning purescript, mostly to hide from JS w...
I am liking it so far, but I feel like it's stretching my brain a bit too far
if you are familiar with haskell, it should be fine, though
any :: forall f b a. Foldable f => HeytingAlgebra b => (a -> b) -> f a -> b
^^^^^
jovial island
because to 'compile to JS', it just strips the type annotations
yea Haskell like languages do that lol
jovial island
huh... is that really supposed to be 1 line?
shadow elk
I'm just showing the type signature
jovial island
you probably meant to reply to another message
sorry was in reference to stretching your brain
shadow elk
ah
jovial island
got it
shadow elk
@jovial island
It's in Data.Array package, so it's more like
any :: forall a. (a -> Boolean) -> Array a -> Boolean
I see I see
shadow elk
I was really scared by HeytingAlgebra at first lol
jovial island
full disclosure I have no idea what that is
shadow elk
It's like a generalization of a boolean
I like all this purely functional stuff, but I don't see how beginners get into this. Some of this is so abstract, and I can picture many people (including myself... maybe 1.5 or 2 years ago) have their head explode.
jovial island
I love how it relates to something called "pointless topology" lol
the extremely mathematically minded people adopt it like it's nothing it's crazy. Took me 2 weeks to get the basics of haskell figured out(like a monads, etc)
shadow elk
well, I don't have much experience with mathematics (1st year algebra in university is the highest of my achievements)
jovial island
I've found that my brief exposure to FP has really improved the way I write code though. Like I am much better at abstracting complicated things into simpler units
shadow elk
well, I don't have much experience with mathematics (1st year algebra in univers...
...but I like maths at the level I can comprehend it
jovial island
...but I like maths at the level I can comprehend it
you probably don't realize it, but everything you're doing in FP is basically math. Like whether you can state a theorem or identify it clearly is irrelevent really. You're doing mathy stuff.
shadow elk
category theory is basically wizardry that people with long grey beards read spells from to produce Haskell libraries
jovial island
lol and all of those ideas are probably baked into purescript ๐
shadow elk
I have seen a video series by Bartosz Milewski, and by the end of it (I only watched the first season) my walnut-sized brain almost cracked
jovial island
yea I don't play in that area, I try to understand the concepts, but it's a little too abstract for me. Infact, the field was originalled called "abstract nonsense" (by its creators even)
you ever check out the FP discord?
shadow elk
The biggest takeaway was that you shouldn't explain functions through animals eating food and producing cofood, because then composition becomes problematic
jovial island
sometimes
its pretty nice like, there are people there who can help if you do wanna go down that road. There's a couple jerks there but its mostly really nice smart people.
shadow elk
btw if you want math problems, check these out
https://www.codewars.com/kata/5922543bf9c15705d0000020
https://www.codewars.com/kata/59c132fb70a3b7efd3000024
yep, it's really friendly and helpful
jovial island
you ever try Rust?
shadow elk
you ever try Rust?
I went through the tutorial, but didn't go further, since I don't really have a need for low-level programming
or, well
high-performance programming
jovial island
I hear ya. It's pretty cool though. It's got some haskell like elements too it. But yea its main purpose is systems type applications.
compact edge
learning rust right now
its cool considering its the only pseudo-mainstream implementation of affine types
broken summit
i am returned
broken summit
you ever check out the FP discord?
send me the link owo
limber pollen
its pretty nice like, there are people there who can help if you do wanna go dow...
Can confirm, had a pretty silly conversation with some idealistic person there who was full of their idealistic self, to say the least
broken summit
lmfao
in other news
this is beautiful
a bot pretending to be a human pretending to be a bot
pristine
dusky cliff
lmao
broken summit
what language is this
limber pollen
PureScript
broken summit
ah
i have been intending to try purescript
speaking of horrible things you can do in js
which i was thinking of internally
let sayHello = { get $() { console.log('hello!') } }.$;
// print ยซhello!ยป to the console
sayHello;
:)
dusky cliff
lol
broken summit
this is technically possible in any lang that has getters and allows things to be evaluated without going anywhere
but
yeah
limber pollen
The only purpose I have for JS is implementing FFI for PureScript and probably a compilation target, but that's about it
I should start working on my site again as well, got too busy with managing my dotfiles for theming
broken summit
OwO
fading pumice
Ok
wide totem
@limber pollen what is FP?
limber pollen
Functional Programming
limber pollen
Basically a programming paradigm that focuses on programs being encoded in terms of "pure functions" or functions that takes some input and produce some output without any other "side-effect" like printing some text or changing a file
limber pollen
Sure
That's an example of a pure function, as it acts like a mathematical function in that sense
jovial island
Hmm
If you want to do some side effect, it will not be included in a function?
Pure things don't modify state right
Does objects exists in fp
?
limber pollen
Most purely functional languages have abstractions that help encode the notion of side effects/state
jovial island
What about objects
wide totem
It's all objects
limber pollen
For example, in Haskell, there's the IO type which you can think of "sequential instructions" that the Haskell runtime understands
wide totem
Which idu how it is all objects but we
limber pollen
What about objects
Not in the traditional OOP sense, no
jovial island
For example, in Haskell, there's the `IO` type which you can think of "sequentia...
Ah
jovial island
Can confirm, had a pretty silly conversation with some idealistic person there w...
yea it's probably the 1 person I am thinking of too...
limber pollen
yea it's probably the 1 person I am thinking of too...
Mind DM-ing me your guess? lol
jovial island
I did ๐
pliant trench
$ git checkout -b my-branch -t upstream/master what is -t ?
limber pollen
@pliant trench Sets an "upstream" branch
pliant trench
what is even a upstream branch
limber pollen
The target branch where you push to/pull from
honest plover
whst is dynamic programming
it was mentioned when the topic of exec() came up
i was wondering what it is exactly
coral pivot
hey i want ti get into using git/github
but i cant finde a good tutorial
anyone know some tutorial that is good for me?
i just cant get how to use it ;c
somber belfry
https://learngitbranching.js.org/ @coral pivot this can get you started on git
coral pivot
thx
lucid osprey
'ello everyone
coral pivot
hi
pliant trench
anyone uses fedora here ?
pliant trench
ok
languid osprey
Hey guys, so I loaded up neovim yesterday in my linux, and using nvim worked fine, but now I booted up the VM again and now nvim doesn't work
fluid plank
Wait I just reinstalled neovim and now it works again
boot up again then it will be gone again huhuhu
languid osprey
Lmao
I mean, it takes a second to install
and all my extensions are saved in init.vim
broken summit
good evening cowards
frigid pollen
o/
dusky cliff
/o\
lucid osprey
o7
proper python
welcome to texas, yeehaw brother, we got sunny weather, cowboys shootin and rootin, and half a meter of snow because fuck logic
urban sun
Oh wait, just inspect google.com
https://javascript-minifier.com/ you mean that? It saves on delivery times
Their source code looks much different than what is delivered
broken summit
https://javascript-minifier.com/ you mean that? It saves on delivery times
more importantly it saves on bandwidth, when you are serving to millions if not billions of people, every extra byte is a lot more money
bitter breach
I wish to learn about how such big networks are deployed
Totally fascinating stuff
fading pumice
cool
steel eagle
Here's a good question, I'm looking for some decent wireless earbuds that don't use the standard crappy like, rubber dome thing that goes in your ears
preferably without breaking the bank
I currently use the first gen wired Pixel Buds
https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/4nzZ6TE3JlVg9k-aPvOAODYxQYI=/0x0:1996x1123/1200x675/filters:focal(573x304:891x622)/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/61804257/pixell_2.0.jpg these things, and they're the best earbuds I've ever used, they sound great, the wire adjustment means they fit perfect and are super comfortable
but wired just isn't cutting it anymore
they're also from 2017 and seen better days.
upbeat inlet
viral hare
synchronize threads to print one message after the other
ancient whale
signal bus?
viral hare
that might actually be the actual question
oh no the question is called print in order
oh i just figured that the standard deviation is just really small
cause by rng of the occurrence of system interrupts that the server runs on
some ppl just get a bit lucky and have their submission run without any system interrupts occurring which gets the slightly faster runtime i would assume
proper python
i cant tell if someone tried to use google translate or just mashed their head against their keyboard
same thing here i cant tell if this guy is being ironic or is having a stroke
storm birch
I think your chatbot may be coming on to you
pliant trench
Discord Linux is dumb ๐
If u want to get disappointed for your whole week, this is a good place to go and i highly recommend it
pliant trench
yea
fluid plank
dunno about the server
pliant trench
rigid echo
is that a server?
pliant trench
A lot
pliant trench
If u want to get disappointed for your whole week, this is a good place to go an...
.
fluid plank
sounds like a red flag hahaha. thanks for the warning
rigid echo
if u don't know that server it's good
send link
rigid echo
what why?
rigid echo
If u want to get disappointed for your whole week, this is a good place to go an...
Ah my god I won'
I didn't read that
rigid echo
so don't ask that again
ak np problem
lucid osprey
hello everyone
lucid osprey
never ever ever ever
gonna give you up
pliant trench
no one's there?
lucid osprey
where?
pliant trench
there
fluid timber
Why does some people hate other people who code on phone 
steel eagle
Children likely, just ignore them
dusky cliff
Personally I can't imagine coding on a phone but if you're comfortable then sure
wide totem
Why does some people hate other people who code on phone <:lemon_sentimental:754...
How tf do you code on a phone
That's not sarcastic, I actually want to know.
wide totem
Srsly if I can find an ssh client for mobile
wide totem
Do you not use ssh?
odd sphinx
on the plus side, ur typing speed on phone will be much faster
fluid timber
Not really though
dusky cliff
I'm guessing the keyboard layout will be different?
wide totem
Idk what ssh means
Secure shell
fluid timber
Ikr
fluid timber
I'm guessing the keyboard layout will be different?
No?
dusky cliff
Going to the symbols tab everytime you want to write a + would be a pain in the ass
fluid timber
It has auto tab
dusky cliff
you do you
fluid timber
Also has tab button
odd sphinx
i suggest downloading the "Hacker's keybaord"
its on the play store
or u could buy a keyboard
that will massively help
fluid timber
I have a physical keyboard
But I don't use often since I mostly code at night when it's super peaceful and no one does anything
wide totem
Smh
fluid timber
Why not
wide totem
where is the 8 spaces option
round moss
because that is how wide a tab is in terminal by default
dusky cliff
8 spaces is just plain ugly
round moss
ye
fluid timber
idk anything about pc terminal
keen burrow
Is CPyyhon actually tranforming it to 8 spaces
round moss
pretty sure it is actually the tab character
odd sphinx
8 spaces is just plain ugly
fax
keen burrow
That sounds like a lot of wasted characters on a 79 char line
fluid timber
wide totem
ye
Unfortunately I got accustomed to 8 because an open source project I learned with uses 8.
urban viper
I guess I get 8 spaces but why would anyone ever use 3 or 5
dusky cliff
lol
fluid timber
Why use 4 when we can use 2 tho
wide totem
its either 2, 4 or 8
Or 1.
dusky cliff
it's either 4 or anarchy
odd sphinx
2^n moment
wide totem
I'm consistent between my levels.
odd sphinx
no its 2 for css
dusky cliff
did I stutter?
odd sphinx
which is what i like ^
round moss
to be exact, a tab is as wide as is needed to get to a column that is multiple of 8, at least 1
2 is sometimes nice
haskell does that
odd sphinx
yes
wide totem
8 spaces for the first level, 1 space for the next level.
round moss
don't like it in nim
odd sphinx
in languages that tab a lot
round moss
ends up horrible
odd sphinx
like dart + flutter
fluid timber
I think I wanna do 2 spaces 
wide totem
Well damn
odd sphinx
its prolly better cuz u hav a phone
wide totem
@fluid timber termux โค๏ธ
odd sphinx
termux bae
fluid timber
<@762335112368750602> termux โค๏ธ
Use vim?
odd sphinx
i use nano B)
wide totem
ยฏ\_(ใ)_/ยฏ
fluid timber
You can use vim kekw
dusky cliff
i use windows btw
odd sphinx
vim could work thats very true
wide totem
Even if I don't code from my phone I can now use ssh from it
odd sphinx
i forgot that termux is literally linux
odd sphinx
i use windows btw
same
fluid timber
Android is literally linux
odd sphinx
yes
round moss
I do know of a person who writes code primarily on termux vim
odd sphinx
lol
round moss
on a tablet, not a phone afaik though
fluid timber
Phone smaller > tablet
round moss
it could just be a high res phone
fluid timber
odd sphinx
true
fluid timber
Btw i ran pycharm on android
round moss
I have written some things on a phone
fluid timber
round moss
pycharm on a phone sounds horrible
fluid timber
Hahahah
round moss
the UI is barely legible at the size of a large screen
fluid timber
I also ran vsc
fluid timber
wide totem
I also ran vsc
VSC mobile version is awesome
jovial island
hi guys
wide totem
Wait, there is actually mobile VSC???
fluid timber
Kinda...
jovial island
Wait, there is actually mobile VSC???
everything is there
fluid timber
Vsh
fluid timber
Wait, there is actually mobile VSC???
But I wouldn't suggest it because it's laggy and crashes also I tried many ways to run python but F
VSH not vsc
I ran ubuntu linux on my phone then ran pycharm and vscode
jovial island
which is the best way for learning ds algo
jovial island
I ran ubuntu linux on my phone then ran pycharm and vscode
i installed it on my pc and locked windows
๐คฃ
dim root
Btw i ran pycharm on android
send a screenshot, i wanna have a look
fluid timber
It's a long setup...
You need to install Ubuntu then download pycharm or vsc
jovial island
which is the best way for learning ds algo
plzz help
jovial island
hmmm
jovial island
we don't do that here
lol
jovial island
https://tenor.com/view/chicken-fbi-skeptic-chicken-funny-gif-14153035
why? are uall guys that old temperament ones?
white hat hacking is the new
jovial island
who me?
keen burrow
ping google.com:8000
jovial island
ubuntu linux is best supported for such things
fluid timber
Pi?
jovial island
and for mac
wide totem
I'm using ssh through termux so it should be running on the pi
keen burrow
Hmmm
fluid timber
Idk anything about ssh
keen burrow
Can you run dig google.com?
wide totem
Dig not found
jovial island
then try digging mud
wide totem
~bash : dig: command not found
jovial island
๐คฃ
keen burrow
It should be in the netutils package
wide totem
~bash : dig: command not found
~bash : mud: command not found
jovial island
~bash : mud: command not found
bro i was joking
wide totem
O
wide totem
JuiceSSH
deep swan
New to the server, trying to help on the #help chans. -- Feels like I'm out of the loop because I've never used Py for GUI development.
cedar leaf
New to the server, trying to help on the #help chans. -- Feels like I'm out of t...
few people do, it's not the best language for GUI development
deep swan
Yeah -- Just a lot higher volume of peeps using it here than other communities I'm in haha.
molten zealot
cedar leaf
Yeah -- Just a lot higher volume of peeps using it here than other communities I...
Sure, this community is much bigger then most
idle comet
channel name reminds me of https://github.com/EnterpriseQualityCoding/FizzBuzzEnterpriseEdition/blob/uinverse/src/main/java/com/seriouscompany/business/java/fizzbuzz/packagenamingpackage/impl/factories/SystemOutFizzBuzzOutputStrategyFactory.java
upbeat sandal
channel name reminds me of https://github.com/EnterpriseQualityCoding/FizzBuzzEn...
why does lemon's beard remind you of that? 
idle comet
why does lemon's beard remind you of that? <:lemon_long:754441879864737836>
sent that before the name changed
it was something like OrgTagFactoryFactory before
upbeat sandal
Right
proper python
im baby
dusky spoke
fluid plank
thats what u get for being evil
dim root
lmao
odd sphinx
lol
dusky spoke
odd sphinx
yes
severe trout
pliant trench
what is this lol
severe trout
look at the issues too
severe trout
my friend sent this to me. Honestly, I didn't believe this was real microsoft until i clicked the name lmao
pliant trench
pliant trench
my friend sent this to me. Honestly, I didn't believe this was real microsoft un...
i don't believe too
what are they doing
fuk
severe trout
delete me.
Issue 1:doesn't work on linux
๐คฃ
lucid osprey
LMAO
severe trout
and look at the pull request https://github.com/microsoft/DeleteMe/pull/1
there's a mac elitist in there lmfao
what the hell is going on
lucid osprey
I love the internet
severe trout
Windows 10 gets free updates, too, on a twice-a-year schedule.
๐ค it literally sneaks in updates every 10 days and breaks the whole os
lucid osprey
> Windows 10 gets free updates, too, on a twice-a-year schedule.
๐ค it literally...
correct
and more than 1gb for small changes
severe trout
i'm loving that pull request lmaoo
severe trout
pog
severe trout
ye, just found out lmao
severe trout
that's too obvious ;-;
tranquil ridge
are you guys srsly trolling microsoft devs and managers ๐ค
lucid osprey
are you guys srsly trolling microsoft devs and managers ๐ค
its not real microsoft
lucid osprey
right?
severe trout
it's real
lucid osprey
wtf
severe trout
exactly
lucid osprey
but why do they have easter egg repo
severe trout
that's why we were confused
severe trout
but 3 ppl had already started trolling before you guys started :P
severe trout
severe trout
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
severe trout
Nicee
lucid osprey
those trolls will definitely fall for it now
rigid echo
<@!737860440075403406>
why ping?
severe trout
'h^tTtspnsM:I/K/]wPwHwx.`yYoSuJtWuwb\\es.Rc`oEmp/UwxaZtocohf?Yve=Yjb5\\av0GjQTfc`9PSN1F0r'[::2]
hmm?
odd sphinx
nice
lucid osprey
```py
'h^tTtspnsM:I/K/]wPwHwx.`yYoSuJtWuwb\\es.Rc`oEmp/UwxaZtocohf?Yve=Yjb5\\av0...
haha thats better
rick rolll
dim root
How is it linked to microsoft org?
lucid osprey
How is it linked to microsoft org?
microsoft tried to troll us
so we are getting revenge
severe trout
LOL
lucid osprey
lmfao I still cant stop laughing https://github.com/microsoft/DeleteMe/pull/1
hahaha one dude tried to advertise macos
lucid osprey
lol lmao
severe trout
lucid osprey
hhah
lucid osprey
I commented on your issue
lucid osprey
https://github.com/microsoft/DeleteMe/issues/8
this one
severe trout
lmao, it wasn't opened by me either, i am just following it xD
ocd is kicking in
LOL
pliant trench
are we really trolling them or what
lucid osprey
idk
severe trout
holy
lucid osprey
I mean, create pull requess
pliant trench
<@!533921087973490698> we dont have push permissions
:/
u really don't know how to do that??
severe trout
that escalated fast...
pliant trench
mk a pr
severe trout
you all are contributing Hello to an official microsoft repository?
pliant trench
official
severe trout
kinda
pliant trench
half-official?
severe trout
yep
lucid osprey
wait a secc
did you really create pull request
I cant see it
wait now I can
howw
lucid osprey
https://github.com/microsoft/DeleteMe/issues/11 another..
this dude didnt understand the troll from microsoft
severe trout
i think he's trolling too
severe trout
yes
It may also be ideal to use the built-in Github Wiki or readthedocs.io if this is too large of a task for a single README.
yep, surely sarcastic lmao
lucid osprey
hahaha
severe trout
this is... going tooo far
lucid osprey
lol
odd sphinx
yo what is that dark mode
tranquil ridge
looks like another extension or manual css edit
odd sphinx
isnt that what extensions do?
blissful coral
yo what is that dark mode
GH has dark mode
broken summit
yee
uncut sail
say goodbye to the solar system! ๐
mortal palm
broken summit
Visual Studio Code
and if you need anything more specialized then whatever jetbrains have to offer
Rider for .NET (C#, F#, VB.NET), PyCharm for Python, CLion for C/C++ (though i've heard mixed reviews about this one), and IntelliJ for anything else
IntelliJ is designed for java but there are plugins for most major languages for it
tribal tinsel
I vote for your username to stay. cute animals ftw
stone glade
haha thanks!
uncut sail
Visual Studio Code
yup, vscode is great, and you don't have to re-learn any interfaces or controls if you want to learn a new language at some point
plus it can run on a potato
robust canyon
lofty rivet
ok yeet
rigid echo
yo what is that dark mode
I do have
tranquil ridge
isnt that what extensions do?
yes, but by manual i mean the user did it himself
jovial island
Hello!
fading pumice
Somebody just sent me this. I think ppl shouldn't be shamed of what they enjoy unless it hurts someone
jovial island
Somebody just sent me this. I think ppl shouldn't be shamed of what they enjoy u...
I agree!
fading pumice
Ok
odd sphinx
yes
real forum
Somebody just sent me this. I think ppl shouldn't be shamed of what they enjoy u...
What did someone send you?
fading pumice
fading pumice
What did someone send you?
^^
tranquil ridge
dusky cliff
lmao
tranquil ridge
yeah that sucks
dusky cliff
my posts aren't good enough to be reposted ๐
bitter zealot
my posts aren't good enough to be reposted ๐
this is the way
wide totem
Vanilla pringlez
odd sphinx
wtf
fluid plank
ew reposters
idk why they even existed. like the idea of reposting a cringe reposting reposter meme is just sad
severe trout
yup, vscode is great, and you don't have to re-learn any interfaces or controls ...
Visual studio is.... not vscode btw..
wide totem
plus it can run on a potato
It can't run on a potato
If by potato you mean a raspberry pi
unreal sigil
not super sure about that
vsc is built off of electron after all
hungry for ram
but it should be fine on most things
anything modern it should be perfectly fine
severe trout
vscode is prime example of a very high quality electron application imho
odd sphinx
what about discord?
odd sphinx
Visual studio is.... not vscode btw..
wait what
severe trout
wait what
๐
the full visual studio...
welp... let's just say that it won't be very fast on "potatoes" lmao
odd sphinx
u said vscode and visual studio code are different
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odd sphinx
lol