#ot2-the-original-pubsta | Python | Page 11

rotund swallow Dec 12, 2020, 8:00 AM

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ik that, i was just confused with the problem

ancient whale Dec 12, 2020, 8:00 AM

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it's not that bad tbh

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you don't need to print in codewars tho

rotund swallow Dec 12, 2020, 8:01 AM

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ye

celest field Dec 12, 2020, 8:01 AM

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Even if you do, you can't pass

ancient whale Dec 12, 2020, 8:01 AM

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unless you want to 'debug' or whatever

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idk imo the editor allows you to self-correct your more common mistakes

celest field Dec 12, 2020, 8:02 AM

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I use VSC for that

ancient whale Dec 12, 2020, 8:02 AM

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compared to having a linter + auto-completion

celest field Dec 12, 2020, 8:02 AM

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But I don't like creating unncessary folder/files. It's just more junk. That's why I use repl.it

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Then I throw them away lol

ancient whale Dec 12, 2020, 8:03 AM

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ah ya I use the idle for that

rotund swallow Dec 12, 2020, 8:03 AM

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i don't like the question placement in their website

ancient whale Dec 12, 2020, 8:03 AM

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some of the questions are awfully worded too

celest field Dec 12, 2020, 8:03 AM

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which one?

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oh

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imo codewars are fun. Hackerrank/leetcode is practice.

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I guess it's something to do with the.. web design

ancient whale Dec 12, 2020, 8:04 AM

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actually codewars helped get me into golfing quite a bit

ancient whale Dec 12, 2020, 8:04 AM

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ancient whale actually codewars helped get me into golfing quite a bit

string manipulation

celest field Dec 12, 2020, 8:04 AM

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What do you code in? Python?

ancient whale Dec 12, 2020, 8:04 AM

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yep

celest field Dec 12, 2020, 8:04 AM

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Same

ancient whale Dec 12, 2020, 8:04 AM

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mainly

celest field Dec 12, 2020, 8:05 AM

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I just learned C++ and JS. But I like to solve in Python

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I mean solving algos in C++ or JS daily seems a waste of time.

ancient whale Dec 12, 2020, 8:06 AM

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i'd probably use c++ if I needed speed for it

celest field Dec 12, 2020, 8:06 AM

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Ya

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It's funny I have to use C++ in college and JS for web develpoment in my own time. 2 different things.

ancient whale Dec 12, 2020, 8:07 AM

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or java if I wanted to punish myself

celest field Dec 12, 2020, 8:08 AM

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Noo java

wicked hollow Dec 12, 2020, 8:08 AM

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String manipulation in C++ isn't fun, but most other coding puzzle stuff in it isn't really much worse than in Python, and it runs way faster

ancient whale Dec 12, 2020, 8:09 AM

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I think I'm doing java for at least the next 2 yrs
manipulation in cpp isn't fun period smil

celest field Dec 12, 2020, 8:09 AM

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What did you guys do with C++? So far I just did homework with basic OOP. No project in C++. Maybe I will try Qt

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We either choose C++ or Java for next 2 years.

ancient whale Dec 12, 2020, 8:09 AM

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wtf

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I wish

wicked hollow Dec 12, 2020, 8:09 AM

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I'm a professional C++ dev. I do a lot with it, heh

celest field Dec 12, 2020, 8:09 AM

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Oh nice

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So should I try Qt?? Not sure what to do

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Tho I'm doing web development at the moment.

ancient whale Dec 12, 2020, 8:10 AM

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UE 🙃

wicked hollow Dec 12, 2020, 8:10 AM

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Qt's nice, but GUIs are way, way easier in dynamic languages

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If I had to use C++ to make a GUI I'd pick Qt, but I wouldn't choose to make a GUI in C++ if I could avoid it

celest field Dec 12, 2020, 8:11 AM

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I see

wicked hollow Dec 12, 2020, 8:11 AM

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Try making a web server, if you're looking for a project.

celest field Dec 12, 2020, 8:11 AM

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I'm just forcing myself to do something in C++ lol. I'm just solving in Python and do web develpment with React.js

rotund swallow Dec 12, 2020, 8:12 AM

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what do u use c++ for?

celest field Dec 12, 2020, 8:12 AM

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web framework?

wicked hollow Dec 12, 2020, 8:12 AM

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Browsers still speak HTTP 1.0, and it's simple enough you can implement it yourself with minimal effort.

rotund swallow Dec 12, 2020, 8:13 AM

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wdym web framewrok

celest field Dec 12, 2020, 8:13 AM

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I mean make a web server with what?

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Like.. I use react.js

wicked hollow Dec 12, 2020, 8:13 AM

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From scratch, in C++

celest field Dec 12, 2020, 8:13 AM

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oof

wicked hollow Dec 12, 2020, 8:14 AM

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It's really not so bad.

celest field Dec 12, 2020, 8:14 AM

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I'm already learning web development with plain HTML/CSS and JS + React.js. Maybe Django/Flash for back-end. I don't think I will do it any time soon.

ancient whale Dec 12, 2020, 8:14 AM

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do yall know anything about deno.js?

celest field Dec 12, 2020, 8:15 AM

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nope

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Looks like it's good for NodeJS main problems

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like packages. still reading on it

wicked hollow Dec 12, 2020, 8:20 AM

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HTTP 1.0 is a pretty simple protocol. You start a server that listens on port 8080 or whatever. User types http://localhost:8080/foo.txt in their browser. Browser sends you GET /foo.txt HTTP/1.1, and then the request headers (one per line) and then an empty line. It waits for you to send a response. You respond with something like

HTTP/1.0 200 OK
Content-type: text/plain

hello world

The browser shows a page that just says "hello world"

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You can implement a dead simple, "technically an HTTP server" HTTP server in about 10 lines of code.

ancient whale Dec 12, 2020, 8:21 AM

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in cpp?

celest field Dec 12, 2020, 8:22 AM

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same question

wicked hollow Dec 12, 2020, 8:22 AM

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In pretty much any language, but yeah.

ancient whale Dec 12, 2020, 8:22 AM

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hm I should probably get into that then

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I want to start freelancing but it seems like a majority of the jobs are web dev

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or db/data stuff ig

celest field Dec 12, 2020, 8:23 AM

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Hmm kinda same. I wanna learn front-end, database, and web server.

wicked hollow Dec 12, 2020, 8:24 AM

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HTTP has a big spec, so to make a fully conformant web server, even for HTTP 1.0, takes a lot of work. Making a toy one that works in practice with real browsers is easy, though.

celest field Dec 12, 2020, 8:26 AM

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so writing your own web server is like web hosting, the server is on your computer?

wicked hollow Dec 12, 2020, 8:26 AM

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Yep

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A web server is just a process that listens for incoming HTTP requests and processes them.

celest field Dec 12, 2020, 8:27 AM

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I wondered about that sometimes. But why not just pay for a web host?

wicked hollow Dec 12, 2020, 8:27 AM

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Because you want to learn how backend development works.

celest field Dec 12, 2020, 8:28 AM

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Hmm looks fun

wicked hollow Dec 12, 2020, 8:28 AM

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There's no practical reason to write an HTTP server from scratch

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Because you'd realistically instead use Apache or nginx or uwsgi or haproxy or something. But all of those are implemented in C

celest field Dec 12, 2020, 8:29 AM

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with React.js. I ran a local server to see the webpages. Tho it's only available on my computer. Maybe there's a way to make it available to all computers on same network.

ancient whale Dec 12, 2020, 8:29 AM

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isn't that what a local server is?

celest field Dec 12, 2020, 8:29 AM

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yeah

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what if you want to run localhost:3000 on your phone too?

wicked hollow Dec 12, 2020, 8:29 AM

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celest field with React.js. I ran a local server to see the webpages. Tho it's only availab...

Yeah, there is, though you may need to mess with firewall rules

celest field Dec 12, 2020, 8:30 AM

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Actually just set up a web server on raspberry pi like NAS>

wicked hollow Dec 12, 2020, 8:30 AM

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celest field what if you want to run `localhost:3000` on your phone too?

It wouldn't be localhost, you'd need to give an IP address, or possibly laptop-host-name.local

somber belfry Dec 12, 2020, 8:30 AM

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you will have to port forward

wicked hollow Dec 12, 2020, 8:30 AM

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But otherwise, yeah, works fine.

somber belfry Dec 12, 2020, 8:30 AM

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and then do something something

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I guess

wicked hollow Dec 12, 2020, 8:31 AM

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You'd need to port forward to reach it from the internet

celest field Dec 12, 2020, 8:31 AM

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what do they call this kind of stuff? web server, port forward, IP address, etc.

somber belfry Dec 12, 2020, 8:31 AM

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from the wide internet?

wicked hollow Dec 12, 2020, 8:31 AM

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For reaching it from the LAN, over WiFi, you wouldn't

somber belfry Dec 12, 2020, 8:31 AM

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hold on lemme think

wicked hollow Dec 12, 2020, 8:31 AM

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celest field what do they call this kind of stuff? web server, port forward, IP address, etc...

"networking"?

celest field Dec 12, 2020, 8:31 AM

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Yeah. I thought there's better name for it?

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I guess I imagined networking, working with hardwares

somber belfry Dec 12, 2020, 8:32 AM

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so over LAN, you just need the local IP of the device you want to connect?

wicked hollow Dec 12, 2020, 8:32 AM

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Yep. And the machine's firewall needs to not reject your connection, which it may want to do by default

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So worst case scenario you need to click a box in control panel to say "let people connect to let 9000 on this machine from the local network"

wicked hollow Dec 12, 2020, 8:34 AM

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celest field I guess I imagined networking, working with hardwares

Networking is a broad term that basically refers to any possible way to get two computers to talk to each other.

somber belfry Dec 12, 2020, 8:34 AM

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celest field I guess I imagined networking, working with hardwares

you need to set up the software too

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to use the hardware

celest field Dec 12, 2020, 8:34 AM

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ik. I thought there's another name for that

somber belfry Dec 12, 2020, 8:34 AM

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IT, maybe

celest field Dec 12, 2020, 8:35 AM

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IT, I guess

wicked hollow Dec 12, 2020, 8:35 AM

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Stringing Ethernet cables between machines is definitely networking, but so is creating a TCP server.

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And HTTP is an example of an "application layer network protocol"

somber belfry Dec 12, 2020, 8:37 AM

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An application layer protocol defines how application processes (clients and servers), running on different end systems, pass messages to each other.

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hmm, interesting

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what about TCP and UDP?

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are they used by HTTP at the low level?

wicked hollow Dec 12, 2020, 8:38 AM

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Yeah, application layer protocols are built on top of transport layer protocols.

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HTTP is built on top of TCP, which is built on top of IP, which sent over something like Ethernet

somber belfry Dec 12, 2020, 8:41 AM

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isn't TCP a type of IP?

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i mean, even HTTP is a type of IP

wicked hollow Dec 12, 2020, 8:41 AM

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Yes.

somber belfry Dec 12, 2020, 8:41 AM

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or is there this father of all IP

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which is referred to as IP

wicked hollow Dec 12, 2020, 8:41 AM

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Yes.

celest field Dec 12, 2020, 8:43 AM

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Vint Cerf. Widely known as a “Father of the Internet,” Cerf is the co-designer of the TCP/IP protocols and the architecture of the Internet.

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Cool.

wicked hollow Dec 12, 2020, 8:43 AM

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IP is an actual protocol used for moving data between machines. TCP and UDP are built on top of it and use it to move their data around.

somber belfry Dec 12, 2020, 8:43 AM

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🤔

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Does IP have checking for data loss(?) ? or is it too rudimentary?

wicked hollow Dec 12, 2020, 8:44 AM

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it does not, nor does UDP

somber belfry Dec 12, 2020, 8:45 AM

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UDP does have checking, but doesn't do any action even if there are errors

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I think it has a parity checksum

wicked hollow Dec 12, 2020, 8:45 AM

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IP checks for corruption, in a rudimentary way, but that's it

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Yep, CRC checksum

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But a checksum is different from data loss.

somber belfry Dec 12, 2020, 8:46 AM

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you can use a checksum to determine if there is a data loss

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oh wait

wicked hollow Dec 12, 2020, 8:47 AM

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A checksum tells you whether some packet that did arrive is (probably) valid. It can't tell you if a packet was sent but never arrived

somber belfry Dec 12, 2020, 8:47 AM

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that is done using flags, right?

wicked hollow Dec 12, 2020, 8:47 AM

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Checking for missing packets?

somber belfry Dec 12, 2020, 8:47 AM

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yeah, I think

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in the header

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there is this value that gets incremented

wicked hollow Dec 12, 2020, 8:48 AM

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It's done using an entirely different protocol.

somber belfry Dec 12, 2020, 8:48 AM

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or gets swtiched from 0 to 1

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and vice versa

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oh

wicked hollow Dec 12, 2020, 8:49 AM

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IP gives packets, which may or may not arrive. TCP builds a stream oriented abstraction on top of that, including sequence numbers in each packet it sends, which allows the receiver to detect if any were missed, and to ask the sender to resend then

somber belfry Dec 12, 2020, 8:49 AM

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I think I was referring to the acknowledgement number

📎 TCP-Header-Format.png

wicked hollow Dec 12, 2020, 8:50 AM

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That's TCP.

somber belfry Dec 12, 2020, 8:50 AM

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oh, were you talking about IP exclusively?

wicked hollow Dec 12, 2020, 8:51 AM

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somber belfry Does IP have checking for data loss(?) ? or is it too rudimentary?

^ yeah, that's what you asked about

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IP doesn't, but protocols implemented on top of it, like TCP, do

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📎 iphdr.gif

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^ That's IP.

somber belfry Dec 12, 2020, 8:53 AM

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wicked hollow IP doesn't, but protocols implemented on top of it, like TCP, do

right

wicked hollow Dec 12, 2020, 8:53 AM

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Note that IP has only a source IP address and a destination IP address, but nothing about port numbers. TCP has port numbers, but no IP addresses.

somber belfry Dec 12, 2020, 8:54 AM

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ah

wicked hollow Dec 12, 2020, 8:55 AM

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That's because TCP is sent over IP. It uses IP to reach the remote machine, and once the packets get there, the TCP protocol driver on the remote machine takes care of getting them to the right process on that machine.

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The IP layer deals with moving stuff from one machine to another, the TCP or UDP layer is from one process to another

somber belfry Dec 12, 2020, 8:56 AM

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oh, that's an interesting insight I didn't have before

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I know that you can use TCP to communicate between process within the same machine

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but what you just said blew my mind

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lol

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it all makes sense now

wicked hollow Dec 12, 2020, 8:58 AM

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Yeah, that's still sent over IP, it's just a special case. In the IP packet, the source IP address and destination IP address are the same, so the machine routes the packet to itself.

somber belfry Dec 12, 2020, 8:59 AM

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yeah

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but you need TCP to route it to the correct process

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and will this process be listening on the specified port?

wicked hollow Dec 12, 2020, 9:00 AM

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If it isn't, the tcp layer says "no one accepted the connection" and your client gets a "connection refused" error

somber belfry Dec 12, 2020, 9:01 AM

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ah

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thank you godlygeek for taking the time to explain stuff to me

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I gotta go now

jovial island Dec 12, 2020, 10:26 AM

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hello

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I need some SWE advice here

lucid osprey Dec 12, 2020, 11:27 AM

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what does swe mean?

nova ember Dec 12, 2020, 11:31 AM

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Swedish?

jovial island Dec 12, 2020, 11:39 AM

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haha

slow valve Dec 12, 2020, 11:46 AM

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lol

somber belfry Dec 12, 2020, 11:59 AM

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~~Software Engineering~~ Swedish Wrestling Entertainment

somber belfry Dec 12, 2020, 11:59 AM

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jovial island I need some SWE advice here

what do you mean?
#career-advice or #software-architecture

slow valve Dec 12, 2020, 12:12 PM

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somber belfry ~~Software Engineering~~ Swedish Wrestling Entertainment

lol

nova ember Dec 12, 2020, 12:12 PM

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somber belfry ~~Software Engineering~~ Swedish Wrestling Entertainment

Always

somber belfry Dec 12, 2020, 12:19 PM

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🇸🇪

fluid plank Dec 12, 2020, 1:30 PM

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nova ember Always

i love a swedish electronic artist

nova ember Dec 12, 2020, 1:30 PM

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Who is that?

fluid plank Dec 12, 2020, 1:31 PM

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Kasbo. idk if he really is swedish though but i think he is

nova ember Dec 12, 2020, 1:32 PM

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Hmmm, haven’t heard of him

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Maybe you’re more Swedish than I, deep inside

fluid plank Dec 12, 2020, 1:34 PM

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Carl Garsbo (born 12 October 1995), better known by his stage name Kasbo, is an electronic record producer and DJ, originating from Gothenburg, Sweden.

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oh he is from sweden

nova ember Dec 12, 2020, 1:34 PM

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Ooo nice

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I’m actually quite close to Gothenburg as well

shrewd lance Dec 12, 2020, 1:35 PM

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Royal Republic are from Malmö I believe (god I hope I spelled that right)

nova ember Dec 12, 2020, 1:35 PM

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incident_actioned Spellcheck passed

shrewd lance Dec 12, 2020, 1:35 PM

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nice

lapis night Dec 12, 2020, 1:35 PM

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noice

fluid plank Dec 12, 2020, 1:35 PM

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I like his music, they sound so sad but it is good music to my ears

tranquil ridge Dec 12, 2020, 1:40 PM

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hmm what is the database adapter for postgres in python

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like for sql its sqlite3

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i have used asyncpg but i want a non-async one rn

drifting shell Dec 12, 2020, 4:47 PM

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'-'

rotund swallow Dec 12, 2020, 4:51 PM

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tranquil ridge i have used asyncpg but i want a non-async one rn

pysocpg2

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i spelled that wrong, but the name is something like that

tranquil ridge Dec 12, 2020, 4:52 PM

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ye got it

cloud iris Dec 12, 2020, 7:18 PM

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Achievement unlocked: Comically small Program.cs

📎 unknown.png

somber belfry Dec 12, 2020, 7:43 PM

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@halcyon tiger

from youtube_api import YoutubeDataApi
yt = YouTubeDataAPI(YT_KEY)
searches = yt.search(q='alexandria ocasio-cortez',
                     max_results=1)
print(searches[0]['video_title'])

and you are done

halcyon tiger Dec 12, 2020, 7:43 PM

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ok

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that's bery helpful

somber belfry Dec 12, 2020, 7:44 PM

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yep, it's handy

halcyon tiger Dec 12, 2020, 7:44 PM

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what retrieves the video link?

somber belfry Dec 12, 2020, 7:46 PM

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print(searches[0])

will give something like

{'video_id': 'LlillsHgcaw',
 'channel_title': 'Fox News',
 'channel_id': 'UCXIJgqnII2ZOINSWNOGFThA',
 'video_publish_date': datetime.datetime(2019, 2, 19, 4, 57, 51),
 'video_title': 'Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez taken to task by fellow progressives',
 'video_description': 'New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio criticizes Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez over her opposition to the Amazon deal.',
 'video_category': None,
 'video_thumbnail': 'https://i.ytimg.com/vi/LlillsHgcaw/hqdefault.jpg',
 'collection_date': datetime.datetime(2019, 2, 20, 14, 48, 19, 487877)}

halcyon tiger Dec 12, 2020, 7:47 PM

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video id

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thats it

somber belfry Dec 12, 2020, 7:47 PM

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I guess you can reconstruct it from the video id or something

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yeah

halcyon tiger Dec 12, 2020, 7:47 PM

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I add that onto the link

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does the api key go in quotations?

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im getting this error

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raise CommandInvokeError(exc) from exc
discord.ext.commands.errors.CommandInvokeError: Command raised an exception: NameError: name 'YouTubeDataApi' is not defined

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even though it's imported

somber belfry Dec 12, 2020, 7:48 PM

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halcyon tiger does the api key go in quotations?

it's a string

halcyon tiger Dec 12, 2020, 7:48 PM

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ok

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so it does

somber belfry Dec 12, 2020, 7:49 PM

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https://developers.google.com/youtube/registering_an_application#Create_API_Keys you need to get the API token from here^

halcyon tiger Dec 12, 2020, 7:51 PM

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I think I already got one

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yep

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I have

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im still getting this error

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  raise CommandInvokeError(exc) from exc
discord.ext.commands.errors.CommandInvokeError: Command raised an exception: NameError: name 'YouTubeDataApi' is not defined

somber belfry Dec 12, 2020, 7:53 PM

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try the code without the discord.py in a standalone script

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and see if it works

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and get used to it

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then, try to integrate it with your bot

halcyon tiger Dec 12, 2020, 7:53 PM

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oik

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ok

somber belfry Dec 12, 2020, 7:56 PM

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hey, Imma head to sleep

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if it still doesn't work, claim a help channel

halcyon tiger Dec 12, 2020, 7:58 PM

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still doesnt work

storm birch Dec 12, 2020, 8:03 PM

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check your spelling as well

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I would expect it to be YoutubeDataApi not YouTubeDataApi

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but they also appear to have no docs on pypi

celest field Dec 12, 2020, 8:16 PM

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looks like same spelling

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css flexbox is amazing.

storm birch Dec 12, 2020, 8:44 PM

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flexbox has been life changing

celest field Dec 12, 2020, 8:51 PM

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I should've learnt it before I did my projects lmao.

nova ember Dec 12, 2020, 9:23 PM

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storm birch flexbox has been life changing

Yeahhhh, it’s honestly the best thing to happen to CSS since CSS

celest field Dec 12, 2020, 9:36 PM

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lol

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Almost

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nova ember Dec 12, 2020, 9:45 PM

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Lovely

celest field Dec 12, 2020, 9:46 PM

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My favorite's Product landing page.

celest field Dec 12, 2020, 10:13 PM

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dang, justify-content: left; is so much better than float: left;

nova ember Dec 12, 2020, 10:14 PM

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Yeahh

celest field Dec 12, 2020, 10:15 PM

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Actually I can use both.

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Im glad I learned css flexbox because I can work 3x faster.

nova ember Dec 12, 2020, 10:16 PM

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Yeah, flexbox is nice

celest field Dec 12, 2020, 10:20 PM

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Now I'm building Technical documentation page on css flexbox lol

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wow I realized I'm good enough to make a cube with css.

celest field Dec 12, 2020, 11:09 PM

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Not mine. I need to practice more to get there.

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toxic tendon Dec 12, 2020, 11:17 PM

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that's pretty janky lol

celest field Dec 12, 2020, 11:19 PM

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getting the main content on the right from navbar is so annoying. I had to nest navbar and main tags so I can use display: flex;

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idk if there's other way around this.

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Hmm.. That's a first.

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celest field Dec 13, 2020, 12:04 AM

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Finally. It's set up. CSS is hard.

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celest field Dec 13, 2020, 1:21 AM

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It's done.

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https://codepen.io/srobotics/full/LYRxbGj

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I couldn't figure out how to turn vertical navbar into "block element". display: block doesn't work. Now I have to code hardcore for vary screen sizes.

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Nvm. I made the navbar disappear under 550px wide.

steel eagle Dec 13, 2020, 2:15 AM

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Yeah I hate css with a passion

celest field Dec 13, 2020, 2:17 AM

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I just need to do 5-10+ more projects like this, then css will be easy.

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It took me 4+ hours to do this project.

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Not bad, I guess.

worldly berry Dec 13, 2020, 2:23 AM

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steel eagle Yeah I hate css with a passion

same

celest field Dec 13, 2020, 2:24 AM

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huh I found my old projects from 2016 on codepen.

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lol one of them was this https://codepen.io/EgnaroDev/full/dRrKYo

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worldly berry Dec 13, 2020, 2:31 AM

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yep

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📎 unknown.png

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📎 unknown.png

celest field Dec 13, 2020, 2:32 AM

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oof

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Unfortunately I can't fix it. It's one of my old accounts.

worldly berry Dec 13, 2020, 2:33 AM

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lol

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it's k

celest field Dec 13, 2020, 2:35 AM

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One more project to go before I get my Responsive Web Design Cert.

celest field Dec 13, 2020, 3:30 AM

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Guess what this is?

📎 2020-12-12_19-33.png

slow shale Dec 13, 2020, 3:31 AM

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A horrible cube?

celest field Dec 13, 2020, 3:33 AM

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Yeah lol

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I made it but It hurts my eyes

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Dope

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somber belfry Dec 13, 2020, 4:08 AM

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storm birch I would expect it to be `YoutubeDataApi` not `YouTubeDataApi`

haha, I didn't notice that

@halcyon tiger its YoutubeDataApi not YouTubeDataApi
( Youtube vs YouTube )

somber belfry Dec 13, 2020, 4:08 AM

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storm birch but they also appear to have no docs on pypi

https://youtube-data-api.readthedocs.io/en/latest/usage/quickstart.html

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hmm

📎 unknown.png

storm birch Dec 13, 2020, 4:09 AM

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good morning, I assume haha

somber belfry Dec 13, 2020, 4:09 AM

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HMMMMM

📎 unknown.png

storm birch Dec 13, 2020, 4:09 AM

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hey would you look at that

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real professionals we are dealing with

somber belfry Dec 13, 2020, 4:10 AM

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good morning Fisher

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py_strong

celest field Dec 13, 2020, 4:10 AM

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lol

storm birch Dec 13, 2020, 4:10 AM

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their docs were not linked on pypi, so I sort of expected this of them lol

somber belfry Dec 13, 2020, 4:10 AM

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It not linked in the sidebar

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but it was in the content/ body/ description

storm birch Dec 13, 2020, 4:11 AM

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oh, I see. They had a link to docs that I clinked and it gave me a 404, that is as far as I got

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I would rather write my own wrapper than spend even a second more trying to navigate theirs, haha

celest field Dec 13, 2020, 4:23 AM

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my portfolio is looking great

celest field Dec 13, 2020, 5:31 AM

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5 minutes and I will get Responsive Web Design Cert. from freeCodecamp

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📎 RWD-cert.png

somber belfry Dec 13, 2020, 5:35 AM

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yeahhhh 🔥

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py_strong

celest field Dec 13, 2020, 5:36 AM

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Completed in 3 days.

somber belfry Dec 13, 2020, 5:36 AM

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nicee

celest field Dec 13, 2020, 5:36 AM

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I might've sacrificed my study.

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jk

grizzled sinew Dec 13, 2020, 5:46 AM

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new desktop icons

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📎 unknown.png

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???

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r they good?

celest field Dec 13, 2020, 5:46 AM

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did you set it up?

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if anyone can easily solve algos like on codewars/hackerrank. You should do 5 JavaScript Algorithms and get JavaScript Algorithms and Data Structures Projects Certification from freeCodeCamp.

fluid plank Dec 13, 2020, 3:52 PM

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celest field 5 minutes and I will get Responsive Web Design Cert. from freeCodecamp

are those certs useful?

toxic tendon Dec 13, 2020, 5:22 PM

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arguably not

jovial island Dec 13, 2020, 5:23 PM

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@jovial island can I dm you ?

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yes

wheat aurora Dec 13, 2020, 6:34 PM

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I am angry and happy at how good MGK's album is. It's so solid.

steel eagle Dec 13, 2020, 6:36 PM

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Yeah I keep hearing that

wheat aurora Dec 13, 2020, 7:14 PM

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Pop punk back from the dead with slightly less whine

fleet stratus Dec 13, 2020, 11:13 PM

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#help-cookie

unreal sigil Dec 14, 2020, 12:04 AM

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huh

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Wait am I crazy or did those photos get deleted

rich pier Dec 14, 2020, 12:08 AM

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no i deleted them

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i was done transferring

limber pollen Dec 14, 2020, 1:19 AM

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wheat aurora I am angry and happy at how good MGK's album is. It's so solid.

Never really expected something like that from 'em and I'm actually pleasantly surprised with how it sounds

fluid plank Dec 14, 2020, 1:29 AM

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now i wonder why this otn sounds too realistic

wheat aurora Dec 14, 2020, 1:38 AM

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limber pollen Never really expected something like that from 'em and I'm actually pleasantly s...

I was definitely expecting a max of 3 good songs, but I've listened to the album several times now all the way through

jovial island Dec 14, 2020, 1:53 AM

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@storm birch sorry for the ping but whats up with yours and vester's nickname? lol

storm birch Dec 14, 2020, 1:54 AM

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tbh, I have no idea, other people did it, so I followed the bandwagon

jovial island Dec 14, 2020, 1:55 AM

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lol

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i like it

storm birch Dec 14, 2020, 1:55 AM

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wheat aurora I was definitely expecting a max of 3 good songs, but I've listened to the album...

I saw an MGK guitar solo and now I am sad, it also makes me mad that I cant hate his new music

jovial island Dec 14, 2020, 1:55 AM

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unfortunately my name doesnt have much characters that can be digitized

storm birch Dec 14, 2020, 1:56 AM

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mudk19

wheat aurora Dec 14, 2020, 1:56 AM

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It started with f1re and fisk switching to fire and f1sk, then everyone else started adding in numbers >_>

jovial island Dec 14, 2020, 1:59 AM

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storm birch `mudk19`

ah right

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forgot about the P

worldly berry Dec 14, 2020, 2:01 AM

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Ah yes, trend followers

jovial island Dec 14, 2020, 2:02 AM

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r4nd0md3v

storm birch Dec 14, 2020, 2:33 AM

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pfffft, who follows trends, like... be original, gosh /s

worldly berry Dec 14, 2020, 2:34 AM

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... says F15h3r

grizzled sinew Dec 14, 2020, 3:23 AM

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lmfao

ancient whale Dec 14, 2020, 3:24 AM

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anyone know where the code for except is?
is it compiled already + if it is, is the c code available anywhere?

tranquil ridge Dec 14, 2020, 4:11 AM

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is python even open source

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AShmm

ancient whale Dec 14, 2020, 4:12 AM

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I believe so?

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it's got an open source license soo smil

limber pollen Dec 14, 2020, 4:14 AM

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I'll try to skim through CPython to find it

ancient whale Dec 14, 2020, 4:14 AM

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where's that located?

wheat aurora Dec 14, 2020, 4:14 AM

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Here's the CPython implementation of Python: https://github.com/python/cpython

ancient whale Dec 14, 2020, 4:14 AM

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ty

limber pollen Dec 14, 2020, 4:19 AM

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@ancient whale The except routine is implemented through the CPython bytecode in these lines: https://github.com/python/cpython/blob/674fa0a740151e0416c9383f127b16014e805990/Python/ceval.c#L2403-L2425

ancient whale Dec 14, 2020, 4:19 AM

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oh bless your heart I was about to go through 100 pages of search results 😄

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good thing I don't know any c

limber pollen Dec 14, 2020, 4:23 AM

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I'm not that familiar with the internals of CPython, but my guess is that it queries the exception stack and pops the exceptions, making sure that other bytecode instructions are able to run

ancient whale Dec 14, 2020, 4:24 AM

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oh rip I thought this would be easier

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not that I thought it would be easy

limber pollen Dec 14, 2020, 4:24 AM

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Are you writing a C extension?

ancient whale Dec 14, 2020, 4:26 AM

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I was thinking of adding conditional functionality to except ei:

try:
  a = int(input("> "))
except ValueError:
  print("You done goofed")
except a < 0:
  print("Think bigger")```

limber pollen Dec 14, 2020, 4:26 AM

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Interesting

somber belfry Dec 14, 2020, 4:26 AM

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huh

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no need

limber pollen Dec 14, 2020, 4:27 AM

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But I guess you could just use else and check there

upbeat sandal Dec 14, 2020, 4:27 AM

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ancient whale I was thinking of adding conditional functionality to `except` ei: ```py try: ...

is the idea there that non-exception except statements would only be evaluated if there is some kind of exception being raised?

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As an aside, the available patterns for validating user input are pretty ugly

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while True:
    try: ...
    except: continue
    else: break

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you basically have to do something like that

ancient whale Dec 14, 2020, 4:30 AM

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maybe idrk what that means
I was thinking, if there's a conditional exception - evaluate try + if there's an exception continue as normal -> check the conditional exception after the try has finished

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well

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while True:
  try: ...
  except: continue
  else:
    if condition: continue```

upbeat sandal Dec 14, 2020, 4:31 AM

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does the patma pep account for the possibility that an expression will cause an error?

ancient whale Dec 14, 2020, 4:31 AM

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what's the patma pep?

upbeat sandal Dec 14, 2020, 4:31 AM

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pattern matching

ancient whale Dec 14, 2020, 4:31 AM

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ah

upbeat sandal Dec 14, 2020, 4:31 AM

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the author is a member of this discord

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I'm very tempted to ping him

ancient whale Dec 14, 2020, 4:31 AM

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actually ya, would you have to wrap the whole thing in a try block?

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~~do itt~~

upbeat sandal Dec 14, 2020, 4:32 AM

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If we're going to have patma, I think an exception should be one of the cases you can have

ancient whale Dec 14, 2020, 4:35 AM

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my thought is tho, I've got enough cases where I've got:

while condition:
  try:
    var = ...
    if var ...: ...
    elif var ...: ...```

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on top of the possible exceptions

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it'd be cleaner to write:

while condition:
  try:
    var = ...
  except exceptions:
    ...
  except (var condition or/and var condition):
    ...

somber belfry Dec 14, 2020, 4:37 AM

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upbeat sandal the author is a member of this discord

Branddt Butcher?

ancient whale Dec 14, 2020, 4:37 AM

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and separate conditions into their own except if they differ from each other

upbeat sandal Dec 14, 2020, 4:40 AM

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somber belfry Branddt Butcher?

yes

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I think

somber belfry Dec 14, 2020, 4:41 AM

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I remember him from the Core Dev FAQ video

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I haven't seen Brandt here since the Sprint.

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Do the private sprint channels still exist?

upbeat sandal Dec 14, 2020, 4:42 AM

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He only has one message in public channels: #internals-and-peps message

upbeat sandal Dec 14, 2020, 4:42 AM

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somber belfry Do the private sprint channels still exist?

if they do, I can't see them

somber belfry Dec 14, 2020, 4:42 AM

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oh

upbeat sandal Dec 14, 2020, 4:43 AM

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it's only admins+ who can see all channels, I think

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we know they have a horrible admin cabal.

somber belfry Dec 14, 2020, 4:44 AM

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yeah, if you have administrator permission turned on, there is no restriction on the channels you can see

ancient whale Dec 14, 2020, 4:49 AM

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what's Py_XDECREF?

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actually if anyone's got a hot min, I can't understand a thing in this other than what a pointer is

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doesn't help that I don't know c

somber belfry Dec 14, 2020, 4:52 AM

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it decrements the reference count of an object if ob is not NULL

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I don't know what that means^

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oh wait, that sounds like checking to see if a list is empty before popping

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https://llllllllll.github.io/c-extension-tutorial/appendix.html#c.Py_XDECREF

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https://llllllllll.github.io/c-extension-tutorial/appendix.html#c.Py_DECREF
this is Py_DECREF

I guess the the functionality of Py_XDECREF can be emulated using checking or something

ancient whale Dec 14, 2020, 4:56 AM

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type = exc_info->exc_type;
value = exc_info->exc_value;
traceback = exc_info->exc_traceback;
exc_info->exc_type = POP();
exc_info->exc_value = POP();
exc_info->exc_traceback = POP();
Py_XDECREF(type);
Py_XDECREF(value);
Py_XDECREF(traceback);```
so this is checking if there is a type+value+traceback?

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ohh or does it allow the type+value+traceback to be sent to gc?

limber pollen Dec 14, 2020, 6:20 AM

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Py_XDECREF decreases the refcount for the type, value, and traceback objects in memory

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If ever that refcount falls to zero, they're cleaned up

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You can see that in action here:

>>> try:
...    raise TypeError("Type system go brrr")
... except Exception:
...    print(sys.exc_info())
...
(<class 'TypeError'>, TypeError('Type system go brrr'), <traceback object at 0x7f0797135bc0>)

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I assume what it's doing is basically setting exc_info to whatever the exception currently is

ancient whale Dec 14, 2020, 6:27 AM

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see that's the part that confuses me, seemingly nothing is done with exc_info

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oh wait no I found it

limber pollen Dec 14, 2020, 6:28 AM

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It updates exc_info with whatever exception is raised, deallocating the values

ancient whale Dec 14, 2020, 6:29 AM

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https://github.com/python/cpython/blob/674fa0a740151e0416c9383f127b16014e805990/Python/ceval.c#L4036

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so it pushes the values to the stack, if there's no type -> it's set to None, then it's sent to the handler?

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what ever that is

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actually I don't think this would be impossible to do, I don't really have to worry about making sure it can handle the exception, just that it bypasses the check for it being an invalid error

fluid plank Dec 14, 2020, 7:53 AM

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we arent friends either

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hmph

ancient whale Dec 14, 2020, 8:09 AM

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huh?

keen burrow Dec 14, 2020, 8:10 AM

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Wrong channel perhaps?

ancient whale Dec 14, 2020, 8:11 AM

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I was gonna say, sorry if my extension idea offends you 😄

keen burrow Dec 14, 2020, 8:11 AM

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Right, the channel name

ancient whale Dec 14, 2020, 8:11 AM

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ohh

tranquil ridge Dec 14, 2020, 8:13 AM

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@keen burrow ur name

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ASKonataCry

celest field Dec 14, 2020, 8:14 AM

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at last

keen burrow Dec 14, 2020, 8:14 AM

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Dunno, ask @nova ember

celest field Dec 14, 2020, 8:14 AM

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Hmm

tranquil ridge Dec 14, 2020, 8:14 AM

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oh lol

somber belfry Dec 14, 2020, 8:14 AM

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hey, @nova ember , I'm asking you 🤨

celest field Dec 14, 2020, 8:14 AM

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So it's part of gurcult too?

somber belfry Dec 14, 2020, 8:14 AM

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no

nova ember Dec 14, 2020, 8:14 AM

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Hello?

keen burrow Dec 14, 2020, 8:14 AM

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No idea

tranquil ridge Dec 14, 2020, 8:14 AM

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hi

celest field Dec 14, 2020, 8:14 AM

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omg I forgot to spell

somber belfry Dec 14, 2020, 8:14 AM

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nova ember Hello?

Hi 😊

keen burrow Dec 14, 2020, 8:14 AM

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that was probably something from the staff meeting

nova ember Dec 14, 2020, 8:15 AM

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The numbers in the names?

somber belfry Dec 14, 2020, 8:15 AM

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It started with f1re and f1sk right?

tranquil ridge Dec 14, 2020, 8:15 AM

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numkult

celest field Dec 14, 2020, 8:15 AM

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lol

rotund swallow Dec 14, 2020, 8:15 AM

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what's up with numbers in the name

keen burrow Dec 14, 2020, 8:15 AM

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Who knows

tranquil ridge Dec 14, 2020, 8:15 AM

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numkult

rotund swallow Dec 14, 2020, 8:15 AM

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i think one of the helpers did that

celest field Dec 14, 2020, 8:15 AM

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Inheritanc-3♦

rotund swallow Dec 14, 2020, 8:15 AM

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ye supermazingcoder did that

somber belfry Dec 14, 2020, 8:16 AM

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keen burrow Who knows

you?

keen burrow Dec 14, 2020, 8:16 AM

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I don’t haha

somber belfry Dec 14, 2020, 8:17 AM

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lemon_grumpy

tranquil ridge Dec 14, 2020, 8:18 AM

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grumpchib

keen burrow Dec 14, 2020, 8:24 AM

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

nova ember Dec 14, 2020, 8:26 AM

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somber belfry hey, <@!572303014346489866> , I'm asking you 🤨

I had the same question yesterday btw hahah

keen burrow Dec 14, 2020, 8:27 AM

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So we are all just blindly following the trend?

nova ember Dec 14, 2020, 8:27 AM

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📎 image0.png

keen burrow Dec 14, 2020, 8:27 AM

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Also yesterday f1re was fire and fisk was f1sk

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It distracted me haha

celest field Dec 14, 2020, 8:28 AM

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noice

nova ember Dec 14, 2020, 8:28 AM

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Yeah, and step and joe also was

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And I didn’t have time for the staff meeting lemon_pensive

limber pollen Dec 14, 2020, 8:29 AM

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Okay this is actually atrocius

celest field Dec 14, 2020, 8:29 AM

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noo

limber pollen Dec 14, 2020, 8:29 AM

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Better

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Now it's just hieroglyphs

keen burrow Dec 14, 2020, 8:30 AM

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The last one doesn’t render on my iPad haha

celest field Dec 14, 2020, 8:30 AM

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That's actually easier to read

nova ember Dec 14, 2020, 8:30 AM

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keen burrow The last one doesn’t render on my iPad haha

Are we both on iPads?

keen burrow Dec 14, 2020, 8:31 AM

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But I’m on the web client lemon_smug

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and it is atrocious

limber pollen Dec 14, 2020, 8:31 AM

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📎 unknown.png

nova ember Dec 14, 2020, 8:31 AM

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Interesting

celest field Dec 14, 2020, 8:31 AM

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ew

ancient whale Dec 14, 2020, 8:31 AM

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that's..um..very white

keen burrow Dec 14, 2020, 8:32 AM

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It is pure

limber pollen Dec 14, 2020, 8:32 AM

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Sure is

nova ember Dec 14, 2020, 8:32 AM

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!rule 3 ahem @celest field

clever salmonBOT Dec 14, 2020, 8:32 AM

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Rules

3. Listen to and respect staff members and their instructions.

celest field Dec 14, 2020, 8:32 AM

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Too bright

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I couldn't tell if it was a staff member.

nova ember Dec 14, 2020, 8:33 AM

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hyperlemon

limber pollen Dec 14, 2020, 8:33 AM

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~~Then perish hyperlemon ~~

nova ember Dec 14, 2020, 8:34 AM

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Time to swing the mighty

somber belfry Dec 14, 2020, 9:21 AM

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nova ember Time to swing the mighty

....cucumber?

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oh wait, that doesn't sound sfw

keen burrow Dec 14, 2020, 9:21 AM

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It does not haha

nova ember Dec 14, 2020, 9:21 AM

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lemon_eyes

somber belfry Dec 14, 2020, 9:22 AM

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lemon_cut

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hmm, this emoji exists

keen burrow Dec 14, 2020, 9:22 AM

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It sadly does

shrewd lance Dec 14, 2020, 9:22 AM

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Swing the mighty cucumber of world domination

junior storm Dec 14, 2020, 9:28 AM

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limber pollen

Too white for me

somber belfry Dec 14, 2020, 9:29 AM

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Dude, your pfp is solid white

celest field Dec 14, 2020, 9:29 AM

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lol

somber belfry Dec 14, 2020, 9:29 AM

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it's like a stage light

junior storm Dec 14, 2020, 9:29 AM

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Yes, because little white doesn't hurt anyone

somber belfry Dec 14, 2020, 9:29 AM

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

junior storm Dec 14, 2020, 9:30 AM

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Sorry reallyreallysad

tranquil ridge Dec 14, 2020, 9:31 AM

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discord white is just too much

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myaa

celest field Dec 14, 2020, 9:32 AM

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They should just remove it

tranquil ridge Dec 14, 2020, 9:32 AM

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like i like white themes in general but not discord at all

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it seems like a joke

ancient whale Dec 14, 2020, 9:38 AM

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discord cream?

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(no innuendo intended don't ban me plz)

celest field Dec 14, 2020, 9:39 AM

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there was no need lol

ancient whale Dec 14, 2020, 9:39 AM

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na ik someone would've commented

celest field Dec 14, 2020, 9:40 AM

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probably. I was gonna say something with bagel and cream. Didn't know how to phrase it right.

lethal walrus Dec 14, 2020, 11:44 AM

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tries to import qiskit on python discord bot

i-

slow valve Dec 14, 2020, 12:54 PM

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@ancient whale is this good https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyAuNHPsq-g&list=PLFD0EB975BA0CC1E0&index=1 ?

ancient whale Dec 14, 2020, 12:56 PM

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khan academy is usually really good

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I like 3b1b's better tho because he showed it visually

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you should read some of the comments on them

slow valve Dec 14, 2020, 12:57 PM

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what should I follow first?

ancient whale Dec 14, 2020, 12:58 PM

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personally I watched 3b's videos and took notes + stopped and made sure I knew what I was talking about + did the questions he gives

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and it took me like 3 hrs

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idk tho I'm not super well versed in it, I just know enough for neural networks ¯_(ツ)_/¯

slow valve Dec 14, 2020, 1:03 PM

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hm okay

ancient whale Dec 14, 2020, 1:05 PM

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also a lot of the other smaller things are actually used in preprocessing/stats

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also also are you actually using this for neural networks cause I'm just kind of assuming that?

slow valve Dec 14, 2020, 1:09 PM

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ancient whale also also are you actually using this for neural networks cause I'm just kind of...

no

ancient whale Dec 14, 2020, 1:09 PM

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ah ignore that last comment then, learn it all

slow valve Dec 14, 2020, 1:10 PM

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okay

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But ik it is used is stats too

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did you make notes?

ancient whale Dec 14, 2020, 1:11 PM

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euclidean distant/eigenvalues/etc ya

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I did

slow valve Dec 14, 2020, 1:11 PM

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Just curios do you use different color pens?

ancient whale Dec 14, 2020, 1:11 PM

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no I write small and neat

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I'd say well organized?

slow valve Dec 14, 2020, 1:11 PM

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I use 2 colored pens

ancient whale Dec 14, 2020, 1:12 PM

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at least well enough that I can go through my thought process again

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ya I could never get into that

slow valve Dec 14, 2020, 1:12 PM

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one for headings/subheadings/subsubheadings and second for content

ancient whale Dec 14, 2020, 1:13 PM

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ah see I just use different underlines or heading/subheading/etc

slow valve Dec 14, 2020, 1:13 PM

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ok

ancient whale Dec 14, 2020, 1:13 PM

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topics will be :'ed, content is small and as close as possible to the same topic

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like physically

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if i've got a topic that's half a page and I know the next one is going to bleed over I'll just use another page

slow valve Dec 14, 2020, 1:16 PM

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I will go study now cya

ancient whale Dec 14, 2020, 1:16 PM

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have fun

slow valve Dec 14, 2020, 3:53 PM

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@ancient whale I was inverting 3x3 matrix can't even think of doing 4x4 lol

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well 3x3 is actually not that bad but still

jovial island Dec 14, 2020, 4:07 PM

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?

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write a program to calculate determinant, adjacent of matrix

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then adj(M) / det(M) == M inverse

fluid plank Dec 14, 2020, 4:08 PM

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jovial island write a program to calculate determinant, adjacent of matrix

i think i have that

#

imma share it tomorrow

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it does not only calculate determinants

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it also checks if there is an inverse

slow valve Dec 14, 2020, 4:17 PM

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@jovial island first you find the matrix of minors then matrix of cofactors then adjecent of the matrix and then the determinant and then finally the inverse

#

but you can do the other way too

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with augmented matrices

upbeat sandal Dec 14, 2020, 7:51 PM

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@feral quail there's a config file for the whole bot that has a lot of content in it, like which channels have which IDs, which role IDs have mod privileges as far as we're concerned, etc. It also has constants like how many minutes of inactivity before a help channel closes or how many available channels there should be at a time.

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Though as far as I know those two constants have always been 30 and 2. Though we could change them at any time in the config file

feral quail Dec 14, 2020, 8:11 PM

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upbeat sandal <@!234649992357347328> there's a config file for the whole bot that has a lot of...

well i mean i did assume the config file held all that kind of info. Seems like the exact amount to my question about when someone is filtered for spam/dupe (so the config['max'] amount) isn't anywhere public

upbeat sandal Dec 14, 2020, 8:12 PM

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feral quail well i mean i did assume the config file held all that kind of info. Seems like ...

oh, that's right. I think the actual config file is untracked by git because we deploy the bot in a separate server with different settings for testing purposes.

feral quail Dec 14, 2020, 8:12 PM

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do you know what the config setting in this server currently is for 'max' (so the max amount of duplicated messages/spammed messages)?

upbeat sandal Dec 14, 2020, 8:14 PM

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https://github.com/python-discord/bot/blob/master/config-default.yml
Ultimately I'd need to have access to where the bot is deployed (I don't) and read the config file there to know for sure, but here it gives the max as 3.

GitHub

python-discord/bot

The community bot for the Python Discord community - python-discord/bot

feral quail Dec 14, 2020, 8:14 PM

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or we can just test it :p (lets rather not do that)

upbeat sandal Dec 14, 2020, 8:15 PM

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I can't because the bot doesn't check messages from staff members for that, I don't think.

feral quail Dec 14, 2020, 8:15 PM

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i mean i'm not staff hence why

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but i'd rather not have me spamming tracked on my account :p

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and i don't think it's exactly appreciated if people spam just to test

feral quail Dec 14, 2020, 8:21 PM

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upbeat sandal I can't because the bot doesn't check messages from staff members for that, I do...

i guess maybe you can quickly ask one of the owners, who i assume are the only 3 with direct access to the hosting service, about the config for the spam limit? I'm kinda just wondering now

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unless you think it's not really worth the trouble for my curious little mind :p

worldly berry Dec 14, 2020, 8:43 PM

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I konw the limit for emojis

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30 emojis in 10 seconds

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gets you muted

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for 10 minutes

storm birch Dec 14, 2020, 8:49 PM

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lol, from experience, I see

worldly berry Dec 14, 2020, 8:55 PM

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yep

viral hare Dec 15, 2020, 3:51 AM

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so 30 emojis gets u muted? ima try

clever salmonBOT Dec 15, 2020, 3:52 AM

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failmail :ok_hand: applied mute to @viral hare until 2020-12-15 04:02 (9 minutes and 59 seconds) (reason: discord_emojis rule: sent 29 emojis in 10s).

upbeat sandal Dec 15, 2020, 3:52 AM

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@viral hare you could have verified that this would happen by checking the source code of the bot.

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!unmute 746833506629582870

clever salmonBOT Dec 15, 2020, 3:52 AM

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failmail :ok_hand: pardoned infraction mute for @viral hare.

viral hare Dec 15, 2020, 3:53 AM

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guess a tighter bound is 29 instead of 30

median blade Dec 15, 2020, 4:34 AM

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OUI OUI

ancient whale Dec 15, 2020, 6:24 AM

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slow valve <@!359028858344833025> I was inverting 3x3 matrix can't even think of doing 4x4 ...

that's when numpy comes in 😄

slow valve Dec 15, 2020, 6:24 AM

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❤️

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numpy life saver

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@ancient whale do you use Reduced Row Echelon method or the simple one

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for inverting

ancient whale Dec 15, 2020, 6:25 AM

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huh?

slow valve Dec 15, 2020, 6:25 AM

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3x3

ancient whale Dec 15, 2020, 6:25 AM

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I can't say I know the difference

slow valve Dec 15, 2020, 6:25 AM

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I mean the Gauss Jordan Elimination Method

ancient whale Dec 15, 2020, 6:25 AM

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so probably the simple one?

slow valve Dec 15, 2020, 6:26 AM

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Gauss Jordan Elimination Method is like making an augmented matrix and working your way out

ancient whale Dec 15, 2020, 6:27 AM

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hm ya I just had a look at it
it looks like it'd be easier for bigger matrices?

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especially higher dimension ones

slow valve Dec 15, 2020, 6:27 AM

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but you need to think lol

ancient whale Dec 15, 2020, 6:27 AM

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well that's math in a nutshell

slow valve Dec 15, 2020, 6:28 AM

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like you need to make the former matrix an identity matrix which is Reduced row echelon form

ancient whale Dec 15, 2020, 6:28 AM

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idk I honestly don't do them by hand any more

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np.linalg.inv()

slow valve Dec 15, 2020, 6:30 AM

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wow lol Pycharm does everything in just 2 clicks

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rotund swallow Dec 15, 2020, 6:31 AM

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the colours in light mode look so weird

rotund swallow Dec 15, 2020, 6:32 AM

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slow valve wow lol Pycharm does everything in just 2 clicks

wdym by "everything"

slow valve Dec 15, 2020, 6:32 AM

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like creates venv and all that stuff

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it has option for Django

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like you click on it and click create it sets up everything

slow valve Dec 15, 2020, 6:33 AM

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rotund swallow the colours in light mode look so weird

that is not light mode

rotund swallow Dec 15, 2020, 6:33 AM

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i wasn't talking about that

slow valve Dec 15, 2020, 6:33 AM

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ok

slow valve Dec 15, 2020, 6:34 AM

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ancient whale `np.linalg.inv()`

yes but first I need to learn the logic behind it

ancient whale Dec 15, 2020, 6:35 AM

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doesn't mean you have to do it smil

celest field Dec 15, 2020, 6:35 AM

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Computing inverse of a matrix. Interesting.

slow valve Dec 15, 2020, 6:35 AM

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yea okay xD

celest field Dec 15, 2020, 6:35 AM

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I thought linalg was made up.

slow valve Dec 15, 2020, 6:36 AM

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but if you know how to do it you feel more confident and I like to do math by hand @ancient whale

slow valve Dec 15, 2020, 6:36 AM

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celest field I thought `linalg` was made up.

um no it's a thing in numpy

celest field Dec 15, 2020, 6:36 AM

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I thought

slow valve Dec 15, 2020, 6:37 AM

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okay

ancient whale Dec 15, 2020, 6:37 AM

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slow valve but if you know how to do it you feel more confident and I like to do math by ha...

true that tends to help

slow valve Dec 15, 2020, 6:37 AM

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you feel more confident

ancient whale Dec 15, 2020, 6:38 AM

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you actually know what you have to do rather than just trying things out until you get the right ans

celest field Dec 15, 2020, 6:39 AM

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What's up changing your name as pd, as tf yesterday, and as np before.

slow valve Dec 15, 2020, 6:39 AM

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import numpy as pd is convention okay

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import numpy as tf is when you mess up bad

ancient whale Dec 15, 2020, 6:40 AM

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I wanted more chaos, np wasn't, tf just seemed dumb, but pd's close enough to numpy that it'll just confuse people

slow valve Dec 15, 2020, 6:40 AM

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import numpy as pip

ancient whale Dec 15, 2020, 6:40 AM

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import numpy as pd
import pandas as np```

slow valve Dec 15, 2020, 6:40 AM

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lol

celest field Dec 15, 2020, 6:40 AM

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I see

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import tkinter as tiktok

ancient whale Dec 15, 2020, 6:41 AM

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also pandas is basically numpy+

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gross no

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at least choose something respectable plz

celest field Dec 15, 2020, 6:42 AM

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Do you mean choosing different library or "name"?

ancient whale Dec 15, 2020, 6:42 AM

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alias

celest field Dec 15, 2020, 6:43 AM

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relax. I have never used tkinter or anything.

ancient whale Dec 15, 2020, 6:43 AM

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tkinter isn't actually that bad from what I've seen

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but i'd rather use pyside for a ui

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kivy seems neat too

celest field Dec 15, 2020, 6:44 AM

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I see

slow valve Dec 15, 2020, 6:48 AM

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celest field ```py import tkinter as tiktok ```

stop it get some help

celest field Dec 15, 2020, 6:48 AM

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Is tiktok really that bad?

slow valve Dec 15, 2020, 6:48 AM

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REAL NERD do from tkinter import *

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@celest field it's banned here so.....

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you can guess

celest field Dec 15, 2020, 6:49 AM

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interesting...

slow valve Dec 15, 2020, 6:49 AM

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the main reason was that it's chinese app

celest field Dec 15, 2020, 6:49 AM

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for spying?

slow valve Dec 15, 2020, 6:49 AM

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uhhh

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no

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Most of the chinese apps are banned here

celest field Dec 15, 2020, 6:50 AM

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for what reason?

slow valve Dec 15, 2020, 6:50 AM

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bad inter relationships

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or some reason revolving around that

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India on Wednesday banned 118 more mobile apps with Chinese links, including the popular game PUBG, citing data privacy concerns and a threat to national security, taking the total count of Chinese-linked mobile apps banned by New Delhi to 224. India's move came amid fresh border tensions with China in eastern Ladakh.
```September 3 2020

celest field Dec 15, 2020, 6:53 AM

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Oh you were talking about India...

nova ember Dec 15, 2020, 7:07 AM

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@fervent plover it’s actually 5👀

fervent plover Dec 15, 2020, 7:07 AM

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is it now

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it was 7

nova ember Dec 15, 2020, 7:07 AM

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It is?

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Oh

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Months until...?

fervent plover Dec 15, 2020, 7:08 AM

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pithink

nova ember Dec 15, 2020, 7:08 AM

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Hmm

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Or what does it indicate?

tranquil ridge Dec 15, 2020, 7:08 AM

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2 + 1 is four

fervent plover Dec 15, 2020, 7:09 AM

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I guess you weren't around for the time it was added vest

nova ember Dec 15, 2020, 7:09 AM

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D:

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Maybe I was and have just forgotten about it

celest field Dec 15, 2020, 7:09 AM

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What's going on?

nova ember Dec 15, 2020, 7:10 AM

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We’re discussing Senjan’s fantasies

celest field Dec 15, 2020, 7:10 AM

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lmao. I have never seen this mod before and reminds of someone else here. Did I miss something?

somber belfry Dec 15, 2020, 7:10 AM

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nova ember We’re discussing Senjan’s fantasies

ah, I know one: !ban @nova ember

fervent plover Dec 15, 2020, 7:10 AM

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ot names having context when lemon_pensive

nova ember Dec 15, 2020, 7:10 AM

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Not again lemon_sentimental

somber belfry Dec 15, 2020, 7:11 AM

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senjan, dewit

fervent plover Dec 15, 2020, 7:11 AM

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@celest field am rather inactive in public channels lately and while I was active, majority of my activity was in #discord-bots

fervent plover Dec 15, 2020, 7:11 AM

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somber belfry senjan, *dewit*

sure will behind the scenes lemon_pensive

nova ember Dec 15, 2020, 7:11 AM

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lemon_cut

celest field Dec 15, 2020, 7:12 AM

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I see. I would've assumed this someone else (forgot his/her name) became a mod from a member next day.

somber belfry Dec 15, 2020, 7:12 AM

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~~yes 🙌 ~~, err, I mean, OH nooo poor vester

nova ember Dec 15, 2020, 7:12 AM

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Hahaha

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Bulli

fervent plover Dec 15, 2020, 7:12 AM

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@nova ember miscalculation of me saying that 7 is random number is context to that ot name

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/464905259261755392/759083154581094430/unknown.png

nova ember Dec 15, 2020, 7:13 AM

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I kind of remember that

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Maybe

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Not sure

somber belfry Dec 15, 2020, 7:13 AM

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Senjan has been here for a long while, Fel
They used to have different cat pfps

fervent plover Dec 15, 2020, 7:13 AM

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well of course you do you were there when it was added lol

somber belfry Dec 15, 2020, 7:13 AM

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Is this the second time this OT name has come up?

nova ember Dec 15, 2020, 7:13 AM

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Hahah, I’ve been there when lots of ot names were added

fervent plover Dec 15, 2020, 7:13 AM

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I've got no idea as I rarely use ot

nova ember Dec 15, 2020, 7:14 AM

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I’m close to my 40,000th message

unreal sigil Dec 15, 2020, 7:14 AM

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many messages

nova ember Dec 15, 2020, 7:14 AM

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Yeah

fervent plover Dec 15, 2020, 7:14 AM

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thats less than my amount of messages in my bot test server pithink

somber belfry Dec 15, 2020, 7:14 AM

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hey, you know what would be realllllllly funny right now?

unreal sigil Dec 15, 2020, 7:14 AM

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oh my

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celest field Dec 15, 2020, 7:14 AM

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7,253 messages. COol.

somber belfry Dec 15, 2020, 7:15 AM

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somber belfry hey, you know what would be realllllllly funny right now?

If vester gets purged banned ducky_devil

fervent plover Dec 15, 2020, 7:15 AM

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sounds good to me lets do this

unreal sigil Dec 15, 2020, 7:15 AM

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I won't tell

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do it

celest field Dec 15, 2020, 7:15 AM

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Who has highest number of messages here.

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afaik. It's Joe.

clever salmonBOT Dec 15, 2020, 7:16 AM

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:failmail: 👌 applied ban to @nova ember

celest field Dec 15, 2020, 7:16 AM

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Huh

fervent plover Dec 15, 2020, 7:16 AM

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amazing

somber belfry Dec 15, 2020, 7:16 AM

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🇫

unreal sigil Dec 15, 2020, 7:16 AM

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joes got a few

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somber belfry Dec 15, 2020, 7:16 AM

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@nova ember , you have been banned lemon_pensive

slow valve Dec 15, 2020, 7:16 AM

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clever salmon :failmail: 👌 applied ban to <@!572303014346489866>

wtf

celest field Dec 15, 2020, 7:18 AM

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Does this phrase. "Low budget tech" makes sense?

unreal sigil Dec 15, 2020, 7:18 AM

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yep

slow valve Dec 15, 2020, 7:18 AM

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yus

celest field Dec 15, 2020, 7:18 AM

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Hmm. Good

somber belfry Dec 15, 2020, 7:18 AM

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👀

📎 Screenshot_20201215_111816.png

unreal sigil Dec 15, 2020, 7:18 AM

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bisk has a few as well 👀

celest field Dec 15, 2020, 7:18 AM

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haha all that puns

somber belfry Dec 15, 2020, 7:18 AM

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Joe must have more if you include the staff channels

celest field Dec 15, 2020, 7:18 AM

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true

fervent plover Dec 15, 2020, 7:18 AM

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staff channels in most of cases don't addup to whole lot more

somber belfry Dec 15, 2020, 7:19 AM

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really?

unreal sigil Dec 15, 2020, 7:19 AM

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well

somber belfry Dec 15, 2020, 7:19 AM

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I think it'll add just enough

unreal sigil Dec 15, 2020, 7:19 AM

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joe appears to have quite a few in one of them

📎 unknown.png

fervent plover Dec 15, 2020, 7:19 AM

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well they are in borders of 50 or so k of messages in difference

unreal sigil Dec 15, 2020, 7:19 AM

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50k messages is quite a bit 👀

fervent plover Dec 15, 2020, 7:19 AM

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hmm is it

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we got like 15.8mil messages

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50k is not that much

somber belfry Dec 15, 2020, 7:20 AM

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senjan, can you do a quick from:joe#6000 for us?

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🥺

celest field Dec 15, 2020, 7:20 AM

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haha Zig has 10k messages.

fervent plover Dec 15, 2020, 7:20 AM

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176975 @somber belfry

glad quest Dec 15, 2020, 7:20 AM

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Try lemon#0001

somber belfry Dec 15, 2020, 7:20 AM

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fervent plover 176975 <@!562601836591185930>

oh

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what about the admin channels lemon_smug

fervent plover Dec 15, 2020, 7:21 AM

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both lemon and joe are equally active

somber belfry Dec 15, 2020, 7:21 AM

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maybe joe spams in the admin channels to get his message count up

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you never know

glad quest Dec 15, 2020, 7:21 AM

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Lemon only has 65k

celest field Dec 15, 2020, 7:21 AM

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Does anyone has highest number of messages than Joe?

somber belfry Dec 15, 2020, 7:22 AM

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It is difficult to determine

celest field Dec 15, 2020, 7:22 AM

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yep

somber belfry Dec 15, 2020, 7:22 AM

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Bisk has more messages than joe

fervent plover Dec 15, 2020, 7:22 AM

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there are members that have over 250k messages

celest field Dec 15, 2020, 7:22 AM

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I'm checking

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Looks like bot is only way to determine.

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Based on 2 Google searches. There might be other way.

somber belfry Dec 15, 2020, 7:23 AM

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That's not worth it

fervent plover Dec 15, 2020, 7:23 AM

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bots can't check that

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only users can

celest field Dec 15, 2020, 7:24 AM

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acting as a user maybe? Tho that will take a long time.

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I'm not doing it just to be clear.

fervent plover Dec 15, 2020, 7:25 AM

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wouldn't recommend you to do that

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besides message count isn't too important, quality over quantity

somber belfry Dec 15, 2020, 7:25 AM

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yes ✨

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damn, Fisher... I was checking your message count

storm birch Dec 15, 2020, 7:26 AM

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In contrast, I really need to get my message count up, so quality is going way down

somber belfry Dec 15, 2020, 7:26 AM

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and you started typing

storm birch Dec 15, 2020, 7:26 AM

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I was summoned, I felt a disturbance

somber belfry Dec 15, 2020, 7:27 AM

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👻

fervent plover Dec 15, 2020, 7:29 AM

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storm birch In contrast, I really need to get my message count up, so quality is going way d...

quality > quantity lemon_pensive

storm birch Dec 15, 2020, 7:29 AM

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haha

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so guys, how's the weather been? 😏

celest field Dec 15, 2020, 7:29 AM

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It's cold

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I can feel the breezing through door in garage

storm birch Dec 15, 2020, 7:30 AM

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yeah, it was really cold.

there is another cold front moving through too. My dog is very happy

celest field Dec 15, 2020, 7:31 AM

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I think being cold made me sleep longer. Cuz I just woke up at 2pm today.

storm birch Dec 15, 2020, 7:31 AM

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duuude, yeah, I slept until like noon, but I mostly did that to myself

somber belfry Dec 15, 2020, 7:32 AM

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I do not need to switch on the AC anymore

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Keeping the window open is enough

celest field Dec 15, 2020, 7:32 AM

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Haha true, but it's probably colder over there.

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Hmm

unreal sigil Dec 15, 2020, 7:39 AM

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it's starting to get hot

📎 unknown.png

storm birch Dec 15, 2020, 7:46 AM

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oh yeah, your winter is weird /s

somber belfry Dec 15, 2020, 7:51 AM

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your winter isn't working

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have you tried switching it off and on again?

celest field Dec 15, 2020, 7:51 AM

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I think it's Celsius because F is purple which means recently clicked. Or is it Fahrenheit?

somber belfry Dec 15, 2020, 7:52 AM

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it's celsius

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Jack is from Australia

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They do the seasons wrong over there

celest field Dec 15, 2020, 7:52 AM

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lol I see

unreal sigil Dec 15, 2020, 7:52 AM

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It's summer 👀

celest field Dec 15, 2020, 7:53 AM

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So my math final is going open in 6 minutes (Changing am/pm). I think I should get it done.

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nah forget it. Ima sleep

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gn

tranquil ridge Dec 15, 2020, 8:09 AM

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unreal sigil It's summer 👀

no my hands are freezing as hell right now

ancient whale Dec 15, 2020, 8:10 AM

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it was like -25c in my hometown yesterday

slow valve Dec 15, 2020, 8:11 AM

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-

ancient whale Dec 15, 2020, 8:12 AM

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-?

tranquil ridge Dec 15, 2020, 8:12 AM

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in india negative temperature is a big thing

ancient whale Dec 15, 2020, 8:13 AM

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ah well good thing I'm not in india then

fluid plank Dec 15, 2020, 10:25 AM

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tranquil ridge in india negative temperature is a big thing

i guess the himalayan mountains bring very cold air every Ber months

tranquil ridge Dec 15, 2020, 10:26 AM

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maybe

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but for me main reason for cold is not himalya

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i am in the west part, which is near the desert

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and desert gets super hot, and super cold

fluid plank Dec 15, 2020, 10:26 AM

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deserts can get really cold though at night

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like supa cold

tranquil ridge Dec 15, 2020, 10:26 AM

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yeah

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its dry cold

fluid plank Dec 15, 2020, 10:27 AM

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because the lesser the moisture the faster it cools down

tranquil ridge Dec 15, 2020, 10:27 AM

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i put dumbells by my side to keep my blood circulating in the arms

fluid plank Dec 15, 2020, 10:27 AM

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i bet thats for punching the bullies

tranquil ridge Dec 15, 2020, 10:27 AM

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no lol

fluid plank Dec 15, 2020, 10:27 AM

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yes

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xD

tranquil ridge Dec 15, 2020, 10:27 AM

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i dont like violence

fluid plank Dec 15, 2020, 10:28 AM

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i see

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a pacifist

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fist..

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get it

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xD

tranquil ridge Dec 15, 2020, 10:28 AM

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lmao

jovial island Dec 15, 2020, 11:14 AM

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I say it is six

pliant trench Dec 15, 2020, 1:37 PM

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hi

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How can I use :

    UKismetSystemLibrary::PrintString();

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in ue4

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everything is ok but I don't know what to pass in the first parameter

primal comet Dec 15, 2020, 3:57 PM

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my bagels got moldly.

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i don’t know what to do with myself

jovial island Dec 15, 2020, 3:57 PM

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eat them

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duh

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mold is just penicillium maybe it will cure corona

odd sphinx Dec 15, 2020, 3:58 PM

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uh

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i suggest u dont eat mold

somber belfry Dec 15, 2020, 4:01 PM

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...or bats

jovial island Dec 15, 2020, 4:02 PM

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ok you are right

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take that mold and

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Into 500ml of cold tap water put 44.0 grams Lactose Monohydrate, 25.0 grams cornstarch, 3.0 grams sodium nitrate, 0.25 grams magnesium sulfate, 0.50 grams potassium phosphate mono, 2.75 grams glucose monohydrate, 0.044 grams zinc sulfate, 0.044 grams manganese sulfate. Then add enough cold tap water to make one liter. Use hydrochloric acid to adjust the pH to between 5.0 and 5.5.

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now u extracted the penicillum from the molds

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ez pz

somber belfry Dec 15, 2020, 4:02 PM

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🧑‍⚕️

jovial island Dec 15, 2020, 4:02 PM

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now eat it

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;3

primal comet Dec 15, 2020, 4:08 PM

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i’m not gonna do that. also. wtf

wheat aurora Dec 15, 2020, 5:17 PM

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This is how my AoC has been going: https://twitter.com/KyleMorgenstein/status/1338551698332258304

Kyle 🚀🦈🪐🦖 (@KyleMorgenstein)

is my code fast? no. but is it well documented? no. but does it work? also no.

Retweets

3956

Likes

39304

somber belfry Dec 15, 2020, 6:39 PM

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hahaha

storm birch Dec 16, 2020, 1:39 AM

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I miss bisk's milk-based puns

steel eagle Dec 16, 2020, 1:59 AM

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We talk lactose in this channel

worldly berry Dec 16, 2020, 2:23 AM

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storm birch I miss bisk's milk-based puns

We lac-tose in this server

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welp ping

ancient whale Dec 16, 2020, 2:24 AM

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pong

storm birch Dec 16, 2020, 2:25 AM

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Hooray for pings

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Bisk if you are reading this: I really need a pun in my life today, plz ping

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I rigotta hear a cheese based pun

ancient whale Dec 16, 2020, 2:33 AM

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you're trying to milk it a bit too much

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they're a bit cheesy, you feta stop

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@storm birch go work on something that'll bring home the cheddar

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these are udderly disgusting I need to whey my life choices out

jovial island Dec 16, 2020, 3:45 AM

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Wait, what happened to bisk

drifting venture Dec 16, 2020, 4:07 AM

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Nothing that I know of

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They're still in the server

jovial island Dec 16, 2020, 4:11 AM

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Oh, the OT name 🤦

odd sphinx Dec 16, 2020, 4:19 AM

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lol

fluid plank Dec 16, 2020, 4:48 AM

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the ot name is bacc

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time for bisk to attac

slow valve Dec 16, 2020, 5:38 AM

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xD

odd sphinx Dec 16, 2020, 5:58 AM

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interesting

celest field Dec 16, 2020, 6:21 AM

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where are bisk's milk based puns?

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please. I'm expiring tomorrow.

tranquil ridge Dec 16, 2020, 6:40 AM

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📎 unknown.png

celest field Dec 16, 2020, 6:43 AM

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No wonder. I'm so sour.

📎 2020-12-15_22-45.png

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ah it's DD/MM/YYYY over there ahha.

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Is it? I remembered my english teacher hated it when I used DD/MM/YYYY so I stopped using it.

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First time I saw the format was in a pawn shop in my country. I was soo confused and I asked my dad "Isn't it be December, why is it November here?".

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I hate that picture

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Do people say day-month over there?

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That would be weird

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It's 12 May 2020

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Ah

limber pollen Dec 16, 2020, 6:49 AM

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mm/dd/yyyy sucks

celest field Dec 16, 2020, 6:49 AM

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idk man

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When you look at the Calendar. It's Month > Day > Year right?

fluid plank Dec 16, 2020, 6:51 AM

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how will u even know what year it is if it is just mm/dd/yy

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01/01/21 oh yeah year 1921 hahaha

celest field Dec 16, 2020, 6:52 AM

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Haha

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we would say 01/01/1921 and 01/01/21 as in 2021.

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Probably 2001

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But we write January 1, 2001 you know?

fluid plank Dec 16, 2020, 6:54 AM

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lol

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nah we just lazy

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it takes a billion years to write january so

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mhm

jovial island Dec 16, 2020, 8:44 AM

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Hey

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Don't hate on MM/DD/YYYY that I prefer for some unknown reason

quaint summit Dec 16, 2020, 9:27 AM

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I wonder if there are historical records that are so old its ambiguous what century they came from because they use */yy instead of */yyyy

primal silo Dec 16, 2020, 9:30 AM

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Meow

slow shale Dec 16, 2020, 10:42 AM

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So it's established that mmddyyyy is plain wrong, and Americans are weird for using it?

smoky flame Dec 16, 2020, 10:43 AM

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Milk

jovial island Dec 16, 2020, 10:47 AM

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quaint summit I wonder if there are historical records that are so old its ambiguous what cent...

Is this the literary Y2K problem we are making the concept of right now

quaint summit Dec 16, 2020, 10:49 AM

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I mean like lets say for instance in the year 4587 AD assuming we still exist... someone finds a document that is dated xx/xx/97... He can try to figure out that the century is as a historian based on context, but assume there isnt enough.

jovial island Dec 16, 2020, 10:49 AM

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Yeah

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Maybe in 100 years, English has changed vastly

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And some historian says "this guy sound like he a 21st century guy"

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"That's not how we currently speak English"

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"English wasn't even invented in the 20th century" /s

quaint summit Dec 16, 2020, 10:55 AM

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In reality, unless there was some kind of event that caused a massive gap in knowledge, like a dark age where a period of history wasnt recorded for a long time...

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there would most likely be enough context to figure it out if you were a history student

jovial island Dec 16, 2020, 10:56 AM

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Yeah

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Imagine the internet being shut down

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What is the post-mortem of that

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Who will make Internet 2

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Will there be Internet 2 even

dusky cliff Dec 16, 2020, 10:57 AM

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jovial island Who will make Internet 2

I'm free this evening

jovial island Dec 16, 2020, 10:58 AM

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Hear me out on my ideas for Internet 2

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90% of the screen should be ads

pure rune Dec 16, 2020, 10:58 AM

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quaint summit In reality, unless there was some kind of event that caused a massive gap in kno...

Um that did happen iirc lol

dusky cliff Dec 16, 2020, 10:58 AM

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jovial island 90% of the screen should be ads

wait that's just internet 1 with extra steps

quaint summit Dec 16, 2020, 10:58 AM

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Yeah it definitely did.

jovial island Dec 16, 2020, 10:59 AM

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When you resize your browser, the page doesn't resize with it

quaint summit Dec 16, 2020, 10:59 AM

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Well, we already differentiate between the early web and "web 2.0"

jovial island Dec 16, 2020, 10:59 AM

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dusky cliff wait that's just internet 1 with extra steps

Oh shoot you're right

quaint summit Dec 16, 2020, 10:59 AM

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But yeah if the Internet went out, we would lost a lot of knowledge. The thing is, that knowledge would exist somewhere potentially to be uncovered. Just not easily.

jovial island Dec 16, 2020, 11:00 AM

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quaint summit Well, we already differentiate between the early web and "web 2.0"

We need a different marketing approach then

pure rune Dec 16, 2020, 11:00 AM

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Internet 2.21, cat pics, memes from 2000-2020 and no YouTube. It will be glorious

jovial island Dec 16, 2020, 11:00 AM

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Internet 3, just like from Windows 8 to 10

dusky cliff Dec 16, 2020, 11:00 AM

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jovial island Internet 3, just like from Windows 8 to 10

why not follow X-box and call it Internet 360?

jovial island Dec 16, 2020, 11:01 AM

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They'll sue us

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Bunch of bastards

quaint summit Dec 16, 2020, 11:01 AM

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Technically, reinventing the TCP/IP would be on the level of reinventing the wheel. A new web makes more sense.

jovial island Dec 16, 2020, 11:02 AM

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quaint summit Technically, reinventing the TCP/IP would be on the level of reinventing the whe...

But how will it then run

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Oh wait

quaint summit Dec 16, 2020, 11:02 AM

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Well, the web runs of http/s protocol. But there could be another protocol. Look into gopher. It's a niche thing only old open source guys do

dusky cliff Dec 16, 2020, 11:03 AM

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Considering the name of the channel, this discussion seems a bit... high level

jovial island Dec 16, 2020, 11:04 AM

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Kinda, I think

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But I'll pursue on my idea of Internet 3

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It's like the first one but better*

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*maybe

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But what could make it better

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Internet 1 already does a lot

quaint summit Dec 16, 2020, 11:08 AM

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I mean, if what youre talking about is sending data across a network when you say "Internet" there is nothing to improve upon there

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If what you mean is like... the culture of websites

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I agree modern web culture sucks

jovial island Dec 16, 2020, 11:09 AM

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I'm pretty neutral on modern web culture, to be honest

quaint summit Dec 16, 2020, 11:10 AM

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I hate it. I dont want everything to be how it was or anything, I just want the fake info to serve ads culture to die.

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The "Jump on my new start up app we havent even implemented basic security" culture to die

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The "my entire application wont work next year because it depends on the entirety of all libs on npm to operate"

jovial island Dec 16, 2020, 11:11 AM

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I imagine dependency updating would suck lol

quaint summit Dec 16, 2020, 11:12 AM

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Most front end apps of today are not built to last like they used to be, Theyre just thrown together and rebuilt every time theybreak until they arent needed anymore

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Usually their only purpose was to lure in users anyway

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There are exceptions.

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Big exceptions

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But when I say most I mean the trash most people slap together.

jovial island Dec 16, 2020, 11:13 AM

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Reminds me of that 90-percent-is-crap quote

jovial island Dec 16, 2020, 11:14 AM

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quaint summit Most front end apps of today are not built to last like they used to be, Theyre ...

I think this is true

nova ember Dec 16, 2020, 11:15 AM

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@stable pier what are your milk based puns about?

jovial island Dec 16, 2020, 11:18 AM

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dontcowntonhimtoanswer

stable pier Dec 16, 2020, 11:20 AM

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don't have a cow man

jovial island Dec 16, 2020, 11:22 AM

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dammit he answered

neat light Dec 16, 2020, 11:25 AM

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Meh, I don't really believe that bisk has good puns. It's obvious

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He's just milking it

dusky cliff Dec 16, 2020, 11:26 AM

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dammit

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How dairy ou question his puns

slow valve Dec 16, 2020, 11:26 AM

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lol

stable pier Dec 16, 2020, 11:27 AM

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this all pail in comparison

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it's udderly unbelievable you'd come at me with this

neat light Dec 16, 2020, 11:30 AM

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You don't beefoolin' me

stable pier Dec 16, 2020, 11:30 AM

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look

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the only bee that produces milk

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is a boo bee

neat light Dec 16, 2020, 11:31 AM

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There's no whey you can make better puns than me

stable pier Dec 16, 2020, 11:31 AM

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i don't see no 👻

slow valve Dec 16, 2020, 11:31 AM

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pun fight!

quaint summit Dec 16, 2020, 11:31 AM

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Puns are innately not good ... pydis_nope_py

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You know what we should have? lemojipedia, explaining the use cases and meanings of various ones we have.

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Like emojipedia

jovial island Dec 16, 2020, 11:32 AM

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I'm loving the beef between you two

quaint summit Dec 16, 2020, 11:33 AM

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jam_mirror_cannon

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Like that one, what does that express

slow valve Dec 16, 2020, 11:33 AM

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📎 unknown.png

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do they produce milk?

dusky cliff Dec 16, 2020, 11:34 AM

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quaint summit Like that one, what does that express

It's a jam-mirror-cannon duh

jovial island Dec 16, 2020, 11:34 AM

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Moo knows?

slow valve Dec 16, 2020, 11:34 AM

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dusky cliff It's a jam-mirror-cannon duh

xD

neat light Dec 16, 2020, 11:35 AM

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These puns are starting to get a bit semi-skimmed

stable pier Dec 16, 2020, 11:35 AM

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just let them scroll pasteurise

neat light Dec 16, 2020, 11:35 AM

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Ok, that one was beautiful haha

jovial island Dec 16, 2020, 11:35 AM

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I can see "pasteurize" being in bisk's mind for a solid hour now

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Well done

slow valve Dec 16, 2020, 11:35 AM

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lol haha

stable pier Dec 16, 2020, 11:36 AM

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it's the big gun that won the previous milk pun war

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such a shame you made me wheel(-of-cheese) it out again

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like having to drop that second nuke

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smh

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too far.

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coffee time.

tranquil ridge Dec 16, 2020, 11:37 AM

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teaaaaaaa

dusky cliff Dec 16, 2020, 11:37 AM

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stable pier it's the big gun that won the previous milk pun war

that's a moo-t point, there can be new weiners any day

tranquil ridge Dec 16, 2020, 11:37 AM

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not green

slow valve Dec 16, 2020, 11:37 AM

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that's the only tea emoji

neat light Dec 16, 2020, 11:37 AM

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Let's stop before this all goes sour

tranquil ridge Dec 16, 2020, 11:37 AM

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TodoTea2

stable pier Dec 16, 2020, 11:37 AM

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not the correct usage of moot, your point is moot.

slow valve Dec 16, 2020, 11:37 AM

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moot?