#ot2-the-original-pubsta

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limber pollen
keen burrow
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Oooh, I remember this

fresh pecan
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What exactly is there to hate in space

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It's just dark and empty and sad

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Oh wait I get it now

jovial island
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sounds peaceful

slow shale
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I'm considering switching from pyenv to conda

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But conda and pip don't seem to play well sometimes

slow shale
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want

tranquil ridge
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i know right

slow shale
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aaaaaa

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gimme gimme

slow shale
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I liked the previous two better, although these are cool too

somber belfry
drifting venture
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MAn, it's hard navigating office politics

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I never took a class on this

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My mentor is getting edged out of meetings but wants me to include him, but other team members don't want to?

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He goes off on tangents but you just need to know how to talk to the dude

drifting venture
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The company president is asking me about my opinions of the senior members of the company and their contributions

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I do NOT want to be answering questions like that

fluid plank
limber pollen
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@fluid plank Still do

digital valley
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Who puts the names to these chats

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Cause that person is a genius

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Downloading ram is the future

unreal sigil
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We have a large collection of names that gets added to all the time

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Three get randomly chosen by the bot each day for the channel names

digital valley
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RNG is a genius then

jovial island
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long picachu

primal comet
jovial island
jovial island
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jam_cuneiform_this facts

lethal walrus
jovial island
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But it's worth it in the end

unreal sigil
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It's an investment

jovial island
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Like investments, sometimes you lose something

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Like your computer to a virus

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Also, congrats on being helper, Jack

lethal walrus
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Sometimes, my brain somewhat detects sarcasm

median blade
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HELL YEAH lets download some RAM

fresh pecan
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i just downloaded 32 gb ram

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it works!!

jovial island
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xDDD

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omg so much free ram

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ps. DON'T ACTUALLY DOWNLOAD IT

fresh pecan
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that has only 16gb max

fresh pecan
jovial island
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oH nO

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oNly 16

jovial island
fresh pecan
lapis night
proper dagger
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XD the hell is happening here

slow shale
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@steel eagle hope you don't mind the ping. You use kubuntu right? Is there any way I can get super+number to map to taskbar applications?

somber belfry
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hold on

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lemme check my settings

slow shale
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It works on already open windows, not stuff I pin to it

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Which is annoying

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I want super+1 to open file explorer, 2 for Firefox and 3 for terminal

somber belfry
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I searched for "task" in the shortcuts search bar

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I don't use kubuntu but I use KDE

steel eagle
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I also don't use the plasma panels though

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I use Latte-Dock for all my panels

slow shale
somber belfry
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yes

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"windows key" if you'd like

somber belfry
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you can also make a custom shortcut

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and make a command run when the shortcut is triggered

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you can launch firefox that way without adding it as a task bar entry

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file explorer is almost always universally super + e

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in my experience

slow shale
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Oh that's neat

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Thanks

somber belfry
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np

proper python
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i have a plan: this month im going to change the internal logic of every clock in my home to have an uncapped month day to terrify my family when they see that its december 32nd, 2020

slow shale
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Oooh

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Evil

somber belfry
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calm down, satan

shrewd lance
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December 31st 2020, 23:61

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2020 never ends

fresh pecan
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what

keen burrow
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No random meme please

jovial island
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its offtopic lol

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you actually talk about literally anything but python here

limber pollen
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That doesn't make it a personal spam space though

jovial island
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ok ill remove it

rotund swallow
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Someone care to explain this phrase to me
"Dead men tell no Tales"

round moss
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if someone knows a secret you don't want known, kill them

rotund swallow
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ohhhh

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thx @round moss apprecieate it

primal comet
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πŸ˜„

fluid plank
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i dont wanna get involved

slow valve
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do I just name my database file as <name>.db on github?

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using MySQL btw

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or <name>.sql

keen burrow
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You shouldn’t update a database to your git

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What are you trying to achieve?

fluid plank
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unless it doesnt have any sensitive data but i prefer adding it to .gitignore

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either way

slow valve
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I am just trying to put how I created the table

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CREATE TABLE IF NOT EXISTS test(
name VARCHAR(20)
);
```Something like this
keen burrow
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You should add your SQL query in your repo with how you are supposed to run it, instead of the actual database

slow valve
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so like mycur.execute()

keen burrow
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Yup

slow valve
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ah okay

keen burrow
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You can make a startup script for instance

slow valve
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then I will prolly just add it in my main py file

tranquil ridge
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i wanted to add my bot to github but it uses a hosted postgres

rotund swallow
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set your "secret" stuff in a .env file

tranquil ridge
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did, but it wasnt working

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i am using a .env for my token too, and it works

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like i am getting circular import error if i try to import the vars from my main file to my cog, and it isnt working if i load them inside the cog itself

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i get circular import error when i import something from main.py to fun.py

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and if i load the env variables directly in fun.py, it returns None

crude trail
tranquil ridge
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hmmmm

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i dont understand blobnoplease

limber pollen
tranquil ridge
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Oh

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then what should i do?

limber pollen
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The best possible solution here is to make sure that your package doesn't depend on anything that's defined on main.py

tranquil ridge
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hmm, if i create another file which is at the same level as main.py and import from there?

limber pollen
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That won't work

tranquil ridge
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oof

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same thing

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then a file inside the directory i am trying to import in?

limber pollen
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You can place it inside the package

tranquil ridge
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yeah, but then for some reason load_dotenv and then os.getenv is returning None in package but not in main.py

limber pollen
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How are you running the package?

tranquil ridge
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the package?

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its a discord bot actually, and i am running from main.py

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python main.py

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oh wait nevermind it is working now

mellow path
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hey

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i have problem

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why won't install me?

round moss
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@mellow path try py -m pip install pyinstaller

mellow path
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ok

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It works for me, but the second command is not why?

round moss
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you don't have the pypi scripts on path. try running <python directory>\Tools\scripts\win_add2path.py

mellow path
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ok

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wait

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I want some files from the tutorial here

jovial island
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NOoo its anonymous

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you are my boss

mellow path
jovial island
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NOOO

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DONT HACK ME

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EEEEE

mellow path
jovial island
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IM SDORRY

odd sphinx
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i like this channels name

neat light
jovial island
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i prefer to just keep my ram in the clouds rather than downloading it

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its slightly slower but you save on hdd space ya know?

shrewd lance
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Truuue

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why download ram when you can just stream it

jovial island
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yea exactly

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on a less ironic note its pretty crazy how we can do that for hdds

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like google file stream or rclone fuse

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i wonder how long until ram can feasibly be done that way too

primal comet
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what even is ram!

jovial island
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hope that helps @primal comet

shrewd lance
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ok so you know memory, like hard drives and shit

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imagine that, but very zoom and not suitable to store files

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because it loses state as soon as it loses power

primal comet
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:o

shrewd lance
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but it's also so zoom that you can use it for calculations

primal comet
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ahh

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it make do stuff quicker.

jovial island
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i cant tell if this guy is trolling or actually didnt know what ram is

primal comet
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no i actually didnot understand ram. i understood that it makes things faster just didnt know how it makes things faster

shrewd lance
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It has the zoomies at the cost of not being persistent, as soon as power goes out it resets

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And also lots of other things that I'm not nearly knowledgeable enough about

primal comet
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so like every time you reboot your computer it takes forever to get the ram up and running but when its running its fast\

neat light
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ram is volatile (meaning all the data stored in your ram is lost when you turn off your computer), as well as it being quite expensive per unit memory

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Because of that it's not great for storing your files 'n stuff, because you'd lose it all when you turn off your computer, and having enough ram to store all your files would be expensive

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However, it's hella fast, so it's great for storing stuff that your OS will be accessing a lot, e.g. active programs and OS stuff, they'd all be loaded into ram on boot

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(or when you open a program or do stuff)

winter halo
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Whoops, wrong server

real forum
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Wait

jovial island
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board game community?

real forum
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Can't I just download more ram?

fresh pecan
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ram is hardware

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you can't download it

worldly berry
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@jovial island dude, don't put the same thing in all 3 ots, it's against the rules

jovial island
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ok sry abt that

jovial island
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but can u answer

storm birch
storm birch
worldly berry
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yes

storm birch
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That sucks, sorry. I only just saw the modmail for it 😒

worldly berry
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it's k

steel eagle
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at least it was only 10 minutes, I've been muted for 2 weeks before on a developer's discord just because a moderator disagreed with my opinion about something.

tranquil ridge
steel eagle
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I think it was meant to be like a 24 hr mute, 2 weeks later I DM'd the moderator to ask if it was permanent

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he just said "Be patient" and immediately unmuted me

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SO I think he just forgot

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which is, doubly shameful.

tranquil ridge
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lol..

steel eagle
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"I'm going to mute you for daring to disagree with me, and then forget about it"

limber pollen
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It's a bit irresponsible I guess

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On the "different opinions for different people" perspective at least

somber belfry
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I don't agree with you

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!ban @limber pollen brainmon

odd sphinx
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wait thats illegal

somber belfry
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!ban @odd sphinx Not according to my opinions

odd sphinx
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bruh

slow shale
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I realised I'm probably kind of shooting myself in the foot trying to learn vim/Emacs when I'm perfectly comfortable and fast in vscode

slow valve
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!ban @somber belfry False banning

somber belfry
odd sphinx
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dam this looks good ngl

dim root
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it really looks sick

merry abyss
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Cool

fluid plank
steel eagle
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Only reason I went out of my way for vim and now emacs cause vim sucks is because I do a lot of work on headless servers

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Now, vsc technically works remote as well

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But it's much more steps to set that up

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Vs typing emacs in the ssh

fluid plank
steel eagle
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Pentium runs code fine.

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I have a celeron J1300 NUC with 4GB of RAM, runs code fine.

fluid plank
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but what if i have other programs open such as firefox?

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plus i know i will end up using vscode extensions anyway

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which hogs more ram

steel eagle
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I mean, works fine? Side from Firefox being impossibly slow for me on any system

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I have 60+ extensions lol...

fluid plank
steel eagle
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It doesn't use THAT much ram

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But anyway, if you have issues

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Use sublime maybe

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Might be lighter weight

fluid plank
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i think it is because i thought electron is a memory hog

steel eagle
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Something like Emacs should be a last resort

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Yes people like to say that. It used to be

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It's not really anymore

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Discord uses like 300MB

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I wouldn't call that a hog

fluid plank
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okay gotta install code

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i mean

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pycharm runs fine on intel pentium

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i tried it yesterday

keen burrow
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I like the fact that each discord process ask the OS for 19.1Gb of memory haha

odd sphinx
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wtf

slow shale
steel eagle
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Processes ask for a certain amount of RAM when they start

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Usually both an upper and lower bound

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apparently discord specifically asks for 19.1GB at the upper bound

rotund swallow
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I can type 130, for only 10 seconds

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the i am back to 105

jovial island
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it takes you 10 seconds to write the chars 130?

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dang bro

rotund swallow
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but after those 10 seconds i am back to 105 though

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i wish i could keep up that speed

rotund swallow
jovial island
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i have no clue

shrewd lance
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A word is defined as 4 symbols iirc

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so however many chars you can type out (preferably correctly) in a minute is technically your WPM

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wpm = chars / (4 * minutes) essentially

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Ah, it's 5 keystrokes actually

rotund swallow
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oh

shrewd lance
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including spaces and puctuation

rotund swallow
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well this is gonna be usefull to me, for a upcomming project

slow valve
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nbac is this a word?

shrewd lance
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nbacd would be a word

jovial island
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does Genghis really believe a word is 4 symbols instead of 2 bytes

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πŸ˜›

slow valve
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even though it doesn't make sense?

shrewd lance
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In the context of WPM it is

jovial island
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hehe

slow valve
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ok

shrewd lance
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in the context of programming, it would be a dword + byte :)

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Is there a term for that actually?

tranquil ridge
shrewd lance
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They're usually split into two different metrics

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Speed and accuracy

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Though backspacing counts as removing characters IIRC

slow valve
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so you are telling me if I take a wpm test it will have 4 letters + words?

shrewd lance
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so it would affect speed

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If you take a wpm test your speed will be measured as length of text in characters over (five times the amount of minutes it took to type that)

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Depending on the actual speedtest, you might not be able to proceed to the next word unless your previous one was correct, for example

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or other measures like that

clever salmonBOT
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Command: eval

Run Python code and get the results.

Source Code
slow valve
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xobkens

wheat aurora
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aaaah, performance review in 90 minutes where I get to try to justify a promotion

slow valve
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gl

weary thorn
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Yo, does anybody know any good book for algorithms and data structures?

slow shale
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Cormen

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Honestly that book is never bad

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(if you can get through it)

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Tardos Kleinberg is good too

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Although best book is the internet

wheat aurora
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eeeey I got my promotion

weary thorn
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yay

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Congrats then

jovial island
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wow!

somber belfry
jovial island
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that causes them to cut pay since you spent time at work here ;c

wheat aurora
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haha, nah. I keep my work life and any aspect of my personal fairly separate

somber belfry
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oh,alright.
Congrats on the promotion though πŸ‘

storm birch
worldly berry
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congrats

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image having a job
cries in learning nothing in school

storm birch
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Hey, same

vital aspen
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hi

drifting venture
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Did you really have to say hi in every channel

worldly berry
ancient coral
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Just got banned from Discord for "hacking" lol

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I'm only on game channels, python and javascript

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I guess coding counts as a hack

eager sleet
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why off topic 0 is dead?

lapis night
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hmmm why didnt you ask that in oto

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lul

eager sleet
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it's something to do with human's physiology, we tend to click the third channel more

eager sleet
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yeah

spiral walrus
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oh

lapis night
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hmmm i just think the cooldown is why people dont talk there lul

eager sleet
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lol yeah

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I

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can

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spam

lapis night
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dont πŸ₯΄

spiral walrus
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lol imagine making a spammer in python and spam here and tell the mods that I'm testing my project

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XD

lapis night
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hmmmm

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sounds intriguing

primal comet
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it’s called self bottling and it’s against discord tos

tranquil ridge
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no, its using pyautogui which is just spam..

wheat aurora
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Using PyAutoGui is still against discord tos if used to automate your account

tranquil ridge
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u can do that?

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didnt know it was possible

primal comet
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OHH THAT NAME MAKES SENSE

jovial island
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wait do pydis staff get paid?

tranquil ridge
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i dont think so ChirunoSlain

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or maybe they do

jovial island
tranquil ridge
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its their rl job..

lapis night
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nah nah....

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wait is it πŸ‘€

primal comet
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i’m pretty sure she meant that this is her personal life and her work is her work

wheat aurora
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I got a promotion at my job, but I don't talk about things I do for the non-profit I'm involved in or other things I do for fun like this server at my job

primal comet
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oh sorry for posting a random photo i just needed to share it with yall

merry talon
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@wheat aurora yo I might not know you but congrats on the promotion

jovial island
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My laptop just crashed

tranquil ridge
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cool, that happens to me 10 times a day

fluid plank
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i grow my code by planting them

keen burrow
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as long as it is just code

junior storm
pallid violet
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@simple cairn helo, i can show pics here

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when u search idle ?

simple cairn
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ya @pallid violet let me show u how it looks like

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ignore the wallpaper

pallid violet
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i mean, the wall paper looked iconic, ngl

simple cairn
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anyway

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wht bout the appliacation

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is it like that?

pallid violet
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u have opened up the wrong thing....

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ignore the white theme

simple cairn
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same thing is written

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in both screenshots

pallid violet
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but they are very different

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one is in the terminal

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another one is the idle

simple cairn
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then what to do?

jovial island
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JagTheFiend

pallid violet
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follow along this:

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skip the installation part

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@simple cairn

simple cairn
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umm @pallid violet can i dm u if u dont mind?

jovial island
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can I too?

ivory quest
tranquil ridge
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u already posted dat peepoWeird

jovial island
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can it stilld rive?

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i hope this is a graphical error and it still can move around lmfao

keen burrow
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Ah yes, nicely done physics

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I guess it makes sense in some way

ivory quest
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it eventually fell over

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and the driver got out swearing at me like it was my fault lmao

jovial island
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;c

spiral walrus
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I got less marks in chemistry exam :*(

jovial island
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rekt

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study more

ivory quest
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^ less discord, more study

jovial island
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@spiral walrus

raw pebble
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does anyone where i should buy rotating proxies for webscraping?

jovial island
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if you have to have proxies, your clearly breaking tos

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!rule 5

clever salmonBOT
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5. Do not provide or request help on projects that may break laws, breach terms of services, be considered malicious or inappropriate. Do not help with ongoing exams. Do not provide or request solutions for graded assignments, although general guidance is okay.

raw pebble
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why i'm breaking tos?

keen burrow
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We won’t help you with rotating proxies, yeah

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This is usually because they are used to bypass restrictions

raw pebble
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alright nvm then

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thx

spiral walrus
jovial island
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hi

spiral walrus
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hi

ivory quest
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hi

rotund swallow
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hi

jovial island
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hi

keen burrow
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Guys

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C’mon haha

rotund swallow
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your are supposed to say "hi"

jovial island
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can we ban akarys from ot2

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he doesnt deserve us :<

keen burrow
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:>

somber belfry
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smh, y'all don't deserve him

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😀

jovial island
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excuse you?

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he wont even say hi to us

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:<

slow valve
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Akarys nice πŸ’―

keen burrow
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I already said you hi!

jovial island
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o

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lul

slow valve
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you don't say hi twice to same person duh

jovial island
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idk i do

ivory quest
jovial island
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hi arnav

jovial island
slow valve
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Hello!

somber belfry
slow valve
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Epik

somber belfry
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that's why you couldn't see it

keen burrow
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Pretty sure I already said hi somewhere public today

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But I’m not gonna support chains, no, haha

ivory quest
slow valve
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What is Chaunaka

jovial island
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the holiday of toe stubbing

slow valve
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what

jovial island
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what

tranquil ridge
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what

jovial island
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what

keen burrow
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Are we really back at this

jovial island
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your are supposed to say "what"

primal comet
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vinam why

tranquil ridge
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to make my point

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😀

keen burrow
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As I said, please no chain post

jovial island
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😀

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akarys is bullying us

keen burrow
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It isn't because I'm often hanging out in general that I'm less of a mod

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I hope I won't have to repeat no chain posting

honest sail
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worst joke ive ever heard in my entire coding life

somber belfry
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?

jovial island
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akarys is def a mod

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man i really want to just do a ? chain tho on this guys comment

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dammit akarys 🀣

atomic lodge
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how do you all grow your code?

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I do it by placing a compiler into a hard drive and adding oil to it every few days to let it grow

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once in a while i plug it in to see if the code has grown enough to push to production

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(Context: Channel name was "ot2-5-weird-ways-to-grow-your-code" at the time.)

worldly berry
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not changing for another 4 hours and 9 minutes

honest sail
atomic lodge
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@honest sail oh you're growing yourself an AI?

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That's nice

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I'm just growing a common web app

honest sail
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nah nah

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im still not at AI

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@atomic lodge

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oh yeah becuz i said if statements

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well

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seriously for an AI you'll have to work harder

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just replacing the if stats with a script that 'learns'

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and teach him the good and bad

atomic lodge
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ah yes
learn(); //makes the ai magically learn

jovial island
nova ember
worldly berry
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!otn add akarys-is-def-mod

steel eagle
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async-def-off-topic

storm birch
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!otn a akarys-is-my-mod

clever salmonBOT
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:ok_hand: Added akarys-is-my-mod to the names list.

drifting venture
wheat aurora
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whoooo, vscode sticker is on its way

worldly berry
jovial island
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fisher is one of my fav mods

rotund swallow
celest field
rotund swallow
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oh

celest field
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3 more projects to go for Responsive web design FCC cert.

fluid plank
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i dont get it

celest field
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Do you know about freeCodeCamp?

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if you know HTML/CSS they rly easy.

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I already did tribute page yesterday and survey-form today.

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Tho last 3 looks a bit harder.

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lol. Just keep going from Responsive web to data structs

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I'm just seeing how far I can go.

fluid plank
celest field
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tbh certs' useful on the Linkedin only. Tho they have fun projects.

fluid plank
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same. i am planning to redo things until i master it

celest field
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I'm getting a degree in CS anyways

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I'll learn a lot of stuffs on freeCodeCamp than I will with CS

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Before transfer to uni at least

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Have you taken Assembly programming?

slow valve
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Degree in CS sounds fun

celest field
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Associate in CS soon. Too bad, I can't take these 2 last courses over summer before transfer.

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I thought about staying here for Fall 2021, but probably not worth it.

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I see. I'm taking that this Spring.

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Whoa. I can't understand it yet. I hope we don't have to write it on paper.

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I'm not even in class. So Idk what i'm saying lol

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That's more harder than what I have taken. Are you working on Bachelors in CS?

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Ya. It's not Associates rly. Just that I'm in community college. I'm not in university yet.

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Community college?

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It's like local college near me. I don't have to move far away to go to school.

#

Community college don't have dorm. Just drive there in 15 mins or so and back home everyday.

#

It's where people go if they want to save money, focus on Associates only, or prepping to transfer to Uni.

#

I think we have similar options as trade school.

#

plus classes that are useless.

#

In my case. Just transfer to Uni with the units from college. I believe we have certs in programming. Useful certs here are like truck driving, welding, AC repair, etc.

#

Associates, AS-T, and Certs in Computing has different requirements so certs are not worth for me.

#

Ya we have apprenticeships too. Though certs are just passing some tests with knowledge you have.

#

Hmm... US is different from UK for apprenticeships.

#

Do you have any apprenticeships for CS?

#

Unpaid right?

#

Is it hard to get?

#

Yeah CS is competitive

#

Tbh it sounds like internships in US.

#

If it's like students applying to 50+ roles.

#

By that, I meant it's harder to land an internship here.

#

I have already applied to 30+ roles, but it might because I'm a community college student lol.

#

No callbacks, some E-mail of rejections. No big deal.

#

Ya I just applied to roles at a lab I like. We visited that lab a few years ago. There are cool people.

#

Same. I like web devs, but idk about software dev, congintive dev, etc.

#

Probably lack of materials/resources. After all, I'm just a community student.

fluid plank
celest field
#

Tbh if I was back in my home country. I'd pick a different major.

fluid plank
#

i am getting a degree in microbiology xD

celest field
#

smth like that lol

fluid plank
celest field
#

Pakistan

fluid plank
#

where are you now?

celest field
#

Ofc lol. Thats why I'm doing a lot of projects. Learning on my own.

celest field
fluid plank
#

what projects are u making right now?

fluid plank
celest field
#

ah simple one. I'm doing web dev. I just finished making a survey form lol

#

I wanted to refresh my HTML/CSS knowledge and get cert in a few days.

fluid plank
#

can u share an example project and what it is about?

celest field
#

Sure. It's on my codepen.

fluid plank
#

codepen hmm i guess thats like replit

celest field
tranquil ridge
#

@celest field wait i just realized you are fel

celest field
#

Basically ya. freeCodecamp requires it

#

haha I change my name and pfp too much.

fluid plank
#

looks great

celest field
#

ty

#

I did freecodecamp projects years ago too. I did random quote machine, twitch.tv status page, etc. I'm starting over.

fluid plank
#

i am still a newbie i might start out simple projects as well while reading graphQL and graphene this xmas

#

plus bioinformatics modules for python and rust

#

nice share me what youve learned on the way bro

#

been looking at this for a long time haha

celest field
#

My math final is only worth 15 points. Interesting.

steel eagle
#

him emw ith that 2+2=yeet

celest field
#

out of 15!

#

Hmm. I think I can manage to complete Responsive Web Design projects on freecodecamp within hours.

#

Working on Product Landing Page now

#

for front-end?

#

Yeah. They are easy once you try them and do simple projects.

#

html and css?

#

Oh yeah. I thought you said hackerrank

#

Hm. I was trying out React, but I think I jumped the gun. I managed to learn react-router and rendering a few components anyways.

#

I should be learning React on freeCodeCamp, but I feel weird doing that by skipping a few sectoins.

#

Yeah it's fun. It's much easier than plain JS.

#

When I couldn't figure out how to link 2 components together on 1 page. That's when I need to learn basic first.

#

Hmm. You are learning Java/C?

#

Oh that's cool. Tho I prefer C++

#

oh Rust is syntactically similar to C++. Didn't know that.

limber pollen
#

Scala is a practical language considering that it runs on the JVM and can interop with Java libraries

#

Same as Kotlin really, just more FP-flavoured

celest field
#

I wonder, what do you call building a program with GUI toolkit like PyQt or Qt? GUI programming?

#

That sounds better.

celest field
#

It's like front-end

fluid plank
#

i see

#

i am noob so i need to grind on xmas break

celest field
#

So you will try freeCodeCamp?

fluid plank
#

yeah. after i finish this coursera course on front end web dev basics

#

i need to rinse and repeat until my doubts are gone

celest field
#

I see you had some experience. Then I'd skip some challenges. Like basic HTML/CSS and Applied Access

#

Yep. That's what I'm doing.

#

And skip CSS flexbox/grig. I don't know what they are anyway. Projects are just a bunch of elements with required id/classes attributes. Work on css styles.

fluid plank
#

thanks for the pointers man

celest field
#

I finally found my ring. I thought I lost it before I found it under my keyboard.

fluid plank
celest field
#

Well I have like 6 more

#

Just different colors. I really like black one.

#

If I lost it. I'd have more attention to myself due to different colors.

celest field
#

Dang. Transparent images look so good with black background.

#

Very responsive too

median blade
#

@celest field did you make that website?

#

django?

celest field
#

Just plain HTML/CSS.

median blade
#

it asks for email addresses

#

sus

junior storm
celest field
#

It's just mock lol

#

static page.

junior storm
#

ik

celest field
#

Maybe I should add disclaimer

median blade
#

how did you make it with just html and css :0

#

its really nice

celest field
#

Experience.

#

ty

#

holy. Only 57 lines in HTML

junior storm
#

some js is used tho

celest field
#

Ya that's for passing tests on freeCodeCamp

median blade
#

can you make better webpages with django?

#

or like the same type?

celest field
#

If you wanna build front-end with django or react. You still have to use HTML/CSS.

median blade
#

ik html but not css

junior storm
#

With django you can add interactive stuff

celest field
#

css is rly useful

junior storm
#

css is a must when making websites

median blade
#

hmm ok

celest field
#

look again.

#

It's without css this time.

median blade
#

ouch

#

lol

celest field
#

haha

median blade
#

not too bad

#

hehe

junior storm
#

css is really easy

median blade
#

i saw a crash course on css

#

did a bit

#

forgot a lot

celest field
#

sometimes it's hard. But you will know what to do when you get stuck.

#

Ik what to do in every situation

#

Try making the screen smaller.

junior storm
#

I've used css for 2 years now and it's been really easy to make some stunning designs

median blade
#

yeah it fits perfectly for any window size

celest field
#

yep

#

When you build webpages. You gotta make sure it's responsive on mobile screens too.

junior storm
#

only hard part of css was when I started using svg animations

celest field
#
@media (max-width: 720px){
  .menu-box img {
  width: 15em;
  height: auto;
}
}

@media (max-width: 400px){
  .menu-box img {
  width: 5em;
  height: auto;
}
}
#

I think my html/css knowledge will stop here like this. Who knows

junior storm
#

it

celest field
#

I only have 2 projects left to complete Responsive Web Design cert.

#

Next is Build a Technical Documentation Page. That gonna sucks

junior storm
#

Responsive designs are easier to make when you start with phone versions and work your way out to 4k

celest field
#

Hmm. I'm like, use percents instead of px/em/rem/etc. and I'm done.

#

I love percents lol

junior storm
#

sometimes, but sometimes you can't use percents

celest field
#

Yeah

#

px/em is fine as long you don't apply them to right/left. margin or padding, whatever.

junior storm
#

when I started out I used a lot of float until I found out there's better ways

celest field
#

what is it? I'm using float lol

junior storm
#

it makes the element float left or right. I've struggled with it a lot because it makes the element independed and it makes it float over other elements

celest field
#

yeah. I had to use margin for that

junior storm
#

I used that too until I learned better ways

#

like using tables

celest field
#

so like some boxes then float?

#

are you talking about tr, th, td tags?

junior storm
#

I think of float as a "old way" to manipulate the position, but it sometimes is the best way, but most of the time you can just use position absolute

celest field
#

I still need to understand more about position

junior storm
#

w3school has a great doc on that

celest field
#

ya I will read on them

#

I need to be done with this stupid tests.

#

making navbar fixed top. Yet it doesn't pass.

junior storm
#

but css is the type of language which you need to actaully put in the hours to become really good

#

like most of the languages

celest field
#

Ya. I have been using css since... 2017?

#

but I made crappy projects back then lol

junior storm
#

I think you're on the right path

#

I've been using since 2017-2018 I think

celest field
#

have you learned them with freeCodeCamp?

junior storm
#

Now I make professional websites for businesses and other

junior storm
#

I used w3schools and stackoverflow

celest field
#

oh that's cool. I'm just refreshing so I can be prepped to build websites/niches.

#

Same. Tho I started with freeCodeCamp

junior storm
#

LOTS and lots of stackoverflow hehe

#

also youtube to keep myself updated with new css things

celest field
#

test said I needed to use display: flex; somewhere in css. I tried it out in body and see what happens.

junior storm
#

Flex is awesome

#

I'm lovin it

celest field
#

is that a part of css flexbox?

#

seems like I need to go back and learn about it.

junior storm
#

Yeah it's part of flexbox

celest field
#

ya looks cool

junior storm
#

spreads out elements evenly

celest field
#

it's rly useful

stable pier
#

i've never used it enough to learn to use it properly

#

so i use bulma instead

#

which is built on flexbox.... i think

junior storm
#

yeah I think so

celest field
#

This test is annoying. 1. The navbar should always be at the top of the viewport., position: fixed; doesn't work.

junior storm
#

is the bulma the is-one-fifth ect?

stable pier
#

yeah

celest field
#

I was just checking out other web navbars. Raspberry pi site navbar changed to drop menu when screen get smaller. That's smart.

somber belfry
#

interesting

celest field
#

It's 4am.... I need to sleep lol. My schedule will be messed up today.

#

Gn

somber belfry
jovial island
#

,

somber belfry
#

on that topic, can you not put irrelevant things in the off topic channels?

jovial island
#

ok

somber belfry
stable pier
#

@jovial island you've been warned once about that language :/

somber belfry
#

nah nah, they posted that before they got warned

stable pier
#

yeah, fair enough

stable pier
#

ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh lovely bit of funny

#

god damn users

keen burrow
#

That's like "Turns out you can use Linux on Windows, life is so much better on windows"

ancient whale
#

i stg the lastest win update bricked my laptop

#

if r6 was runnable on linux i'd never look back at the ||garbage|| os

stable pier
#

weird

#

i bet ~95 of the other laptops that are the exact make and model are working the same

#

gotta suck

wheat aurora
stable pier
#

i've had to deal with the guy before and oh my gosh

#

he's a manager at a fully windows domained work place

#

buys a mac without mentioning it to anyone then goes on a tirade about how the windows network is bad because his mac wont work on it properly

#

like... the fuck dude. out of scope.

ancient whale
#

jesus some people

#

I mean mac is ... aesthetic??

stable pier
#

they're very nicely made pieces of hardware and they work excellently inside their walled garden.

ancient whale
#

lmao

#

I wouldn't say 'nicely'

stable pier
#

are you kidding?

wheat aurora
#

yeah, macs are nice if you stay within the ecosystem but god damn if you try to incorporate stuff outside of it

stable pier
#

this is AMAZINGLY put together

ancient whale
#

damn that airflow tho

stable pier
#

it's actually pretty good.

#

they seriously put effort into their designs and it shows

ancient whale
stable pier
#

the hardware is probably the most special part of a mac

wheat aurora
#

But I also dislike how anti-repair they are

stable pier
#

no, i don't mean aesthetics, i mean actual build design and quality

#

you could put the same thing in a pizza box and it's true

#

it's just greasier

#

right to repair is a big issue i have with nearly all modern hardware tbh kat

ancient whale
#

from what I've heard, the airflow/heat control is dismal

stable pier
#

in the newer lines the higher power laptops have trouble moving air under load, yes

#

(excluding the M1)

keen burrow
stable pier
#

not as awful as some of the cheap shit iv'e seen before

#

where they just pointed a fan over a flat copper plate

keen burrow
#

The design really makes me think of that

ancient whale
#

lol higher power and trouble moving air shouldn't be in the same sentence

stable pier
#

haha

#

i mean yeah, they should be when you're designing a sleek device and not a workstation

#

putting i9's into mac books was probably a mistake, but they managed to control it with a firmware update iirc

#

if you have a mac based workload you want to run at high load over time then you don't buy a mac book

#

you buy one of them cheese graters

ancient whale
#

idk other than some of the software, I can't see a reason to get one
maybe if I've got a grand to spare..

stable pier
#

oh i wouldn't buy one either

#

hate the OS and how much they control freak stuff

#

you know part of the reason for the design of the pentalobe screw that is patented to apple is that it's more likely to slip and damage the screw head?

#

meaning it's harder to repair if you fuck up just once

#

there's where your friendly roughly size square bit, a plastic bic pen and a lighter come in hand

ancient whale
#

wow that's ridiculous, who are they marketing these to?

stable pier
#

the pentalobes screws?

ancient whale
#

rethorical question but it's still dumb

#

no the computers

stable pier
#

varies from high end professional media people all the way down to sarah listening to my chemical romance and filling her name with xXxXxXxXx's

#

oh no i showed my age

wheat aurora
#

xXSarah_S**cideXx

stable pier
#

throw in some black hearts

#

and a wave

wheat aurora
#

I could never find a good one of those for my name

stable pier
#

``'-.,_ was the standard

#

i wasn't a nerd like you lot

#

so i was just <nickname>5000

#

all the good shit had 5000 on the end in the past

tranquil ridge
#

except it was 5463

stable pier
#

no that's my pin number

ancient whale
#

quick hack into the mainframe

keen burrow
#

Now it is all Xx_.*_X

wheat aurora
#

BWAHAHA my boyfriend's python code was correct while his excel code was not. I am turning him intro a programmer ducky_devil

keen burrow
#

Hahaha niiiice

stable pier
#

a 2008 study suggested that 88% of all spreadsheets create or in-use had errors.

#

it's a bit more specific than that, but yes.

ancient whale
#

gotta love cell limits

stable pier
#

the government contracted the track and trace job to an accountancy firm who then sought out logistics companies to move the tests around and laboratory companies to do the tests and give the results.

keen burrow
#

Wasn't there a story about an hospital that didn't reported cases because they ran out of columns?

stable pier
#

turns out that small to medium size labs that usually handle pissy amounts of data aren't really handled to cope with a nation of ~70m people

#

and that maybe, just maybe, the whole track and trace system should've been built by and run one of the largest national health services in the world

#

who sort of have a bit of experience at this stuff rather than say

#

tax fraud

median blade
#

oops sorry

stable pier
#

well... those costs are confusing too

#

because we made two apps you see

#

one we spent Β£35m on that didn't work and broke the data protection laws

#

and another we spent Β£10m on and got help from the germans

#

this is what happens when a government doesn't have the people or who have too much arrogance to ask the right people what the fuck they should do

#

and instead flog it all off to their mates because dave ran a pub for a while i think he'd do fine producing medical grade test vials.

#

that's a real one btw. pub owner down the road from the Health Secretary directly texted him saying he could do something with his plastic food tub catering company

#

his proposal was viewed in the normal path and it was not deemed suitable because it's not a clean environment

#

well he ended up on the fast track

#

and while the viles aren't """medically sterile""" they are produced in """much more contaminant free environments than usual"""

#

government is full of morons and it just shows month on month with ever more fine clarity

#

it's like the time Chris Grayling gave a Β£50m contract to a company to run ferries between England and France

#

fucking company didn't have any boats.

#

they'd never even BEEN in the ferrying business before

#

i think that's 2018

#

it's on a great website dedicated to the largest failure on UK political history in terms of individual value cost to the tax payer

keen burrow
#

... how

stable pier
#

UK politics is less like a job where you might get employed for having skills

#

it's more like you all went to the same school together and now all work in the same company

#

so sit there and cover each others arses regardless of how much of a fuck up you are.

#

when you start to look at the class and upbringing differences between members of parliament (on both sides) and government

#

they overwhelming come from the same two unis

#

Cambridge

#

they also probably went to Eton together when they were younger too

#

i don't want to slander all MP's with this bit, but i'd say a decent chunk of them haven't really ever had a proper job.

#

they've just managed to get wedge into some position by daddy or whatever

#

fail their way through that while being super chummy to the political people

#

boom, they drop you in a safe seat and now you're an MP

#

it really doesn't help that places like Eton, Oxford and Cambridge actually kind of "drill in" to the students that they're the people who might be running the country.

#

since, you know, that's been historically true for over a century

#

it is kind of mad and maddening. so maddening at some points i feel like i've been dropped in madden 2020 and tackled by a 300lb line backer.

#

yeah, they used emergency powers to bypass normal procedures which meant a lot of the money went to Tory party donors or people favourable with the party / individuals in the party.

#

it's straight up state wealth extract through cronyism

#

i think the weirdest PPE contract i saw was awarded for about Β£20m in masks from a company that'd only registered 2 weeks ago and had a value of Β£150

#

yes.

#

also when every other major event was going into lock down except a horse racing event that hosted +250k people and caused a super spreading event

#

which was run by uhh.... oh a company who donates to an MP in charge of horse racing and shit

#

and look, another minister has relations to that horse racing organisation

#

it's really not hard to find any of the connections between these people or corps at all

#

but "everyone's corrupt and here's how it's linked" is a potentially libellous story if you're wrong

#

which would be very expensive in UK court

#

need some rock solid shit to get that published

#

so all they can publish is speculation and "oh isn't that a bit odd"

#

which the public just reads in that tone of voice.

#

Β―_(ツ)_/Β―

somber belfry
#

^

stable pier
#

well accommodation can be an additional

#

9k is just tutoring fee

#

and also the reason i didn't go to uni

#

bastards pulled the free uni ladder up just before my time

#

i'm in my early 30's mate, so i'm talking a good decade ago

#

but i'm sure it'll work out

#

and remember, you can always stop if you're not feeling it and go back

#

that's not impossible

#

yeah, when i was 18-19 the thought of Β£27k of debt in fees alone just really

#

oof

#

would've maybe left with ~Β£35k or so

#

even though it's not a "true" debt like a bank loan

#

it's still money and having been a person who managed way into their 20's before ever being in debt

#

the idea of taking it as debt just feels icky

lapis edge
#

hi

stable pier
#

yeah, plus back then the financial crash had just happened

#

so the job market was the wild west

#

what about like.... idk sounds dorky... but having like a pre-time short zoom session or w/e

#

with a few people?

#

*pre-timed

#

are there like, subject email groups or something?

ancient whale
#

does canvas have an api?

#

I need to figure out how to schedule a calendar for assignments but I can't find anything

keen burrow
#

I don't think they do, but you should be able to something similar using Pillow

fleet flare
#

there open source

ancient whale
#

ah nice good thing I know 0 of those languages

#

1 ig if you count html but I don't

keen burrow
#

That's not the canvas I was thinking about haha

jovial island
#

I don't even understand what it even is

humble python
#

@thorn dragon University in the UK doesn't have debt that's like any other household debt. You don't lose it with bankruptcy, and the payments are graduated with income - so in essence it's a tax that's applied for 30 years. On average, people end up far better off from going to university even after the student loan payments have been applied, and I think the majority never pay athe debt off. It helps if you look at it as a graduate tax, then it itsn't near as bad

#

The experience still sucks, and you should have been advised not to go this year. But don't let it put you off university as a whole, there's some dodgy aspects to the system but most people find it has a positive impact on their life

placid pecan
#

Student loans are the worst, I wish I knew at age 18 what I know now at 31

#

I’m in the US so it’s prob a lot different, but I definitely should have gone to community college first. I’d be debt free and own a house by now (well, i’d have a mortgage then, which is a type of debt)

#

I’ll have paid back > $100,000 when considering interest after all is said and done in a couple years

#

6 figure non-housing debt is not ideal when you don’t have a doctor’s salary

celest field
#

6 figure non-housing debt is not ideal when you don’t have a doctor’s salary

#

That sucks.

placid pecan
#

It does, but I’ve been very aggressively living within my means for the past 7 years and have paid the majority of it off.

#

The interest rates are mainly what I don’t like, but I understand why rates are high on those types of loans

#

Billions of dollars get funneled into higher education for some people who never finish or do not get their desired level of income based on their degree and can’t afford payments

celest field
#

Yeah

#

I have seen some with 400k+ debt for a Tuba degree.

#

another 1 million debt for dentist school.

#

Still. I don't get how students continue to go to school and borrowing money of at least 100k or so. Haven't they thought at one time to stop and go to trade school or something?

placid pecan
#

Yeah for sure

#

Those are insane lol, but I know some people just let it rack up

drifting venture
#

Does anyone who works from home ever give yourself the day off and jsut make it up on the weekend?

storm birch
#

I imagine a lot of people.

If I could, I would

drifting venture
#

MY boss has explicitly told me multiple times that he doesn't care when or how long I work, as long as projects are getting done on time

#

It still feels weird though

#

used to the office 9-5

pure rune
#

So @storm birch remember like 3 weeks ago or so when I cracked my screen protector. Its covered by the mobile insurance. They still havent replaced it yet. And just now sent one by mail, which I was told a week ago it was sent out. So pissed right now

limber pollen
#

Also fairly interesting to see a Ruby project in the wild

storm birch
fluid plank
#

fuck cant solve it

dim root
#

@slender halo moving onto here

slender halo
#

ok

dim root
#

it shld be href= not =href

slender halo
#

oh lmao

#

and what would the website name be

#

Github?

#

@dim root

#

OMG THANKS

dim root
#

whatever u want

slender halo
#

IT WORKED

dim root
#

u shld try googling. this is basic html

slender halo
#

i did

#

it just didn't make sense to me

#

i'm ok at python

#

but overall a beginner at programming.

fluid plank
slender halo
#

yea

#

i'm working on some stuff now

#

hmu if you wanna see

#

the html shii

fluid plank
#

nah i am quite busy learning js and rust

#

just taking a break now

somber belfry
#

NO BREAKS

#

HARD GRIND πŸ’ͺ

ancient whale
#

how does that make a shred of sense

somber belfry
#

ikr

#

Indonesian servers are the best πŸ’ͺ

ancient whale
#

lol

#

it's super weird tho, I've ran it 4 times

#

twice has been in italy, 1 in ny and 1 in canada

#

like is it depending on the traffic the mirror is receiving?

somber belfry
#

definitely

#

They are not gonna check only the relative distance

#

wait a minute

#

there's no way Canada is slower than Italy πŸ˜‚

#

πŸ€¦β€β™‚οΈ

ancient whale
#

I beg to differ πŸ˜†

somber belfry
#

smh, move to Italy, loser

ancient whale
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maybe I will..

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well now it's in la

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wtf

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is no one using ubuntu in la?

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(and wtf is italy doing)

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on a side note, gitkraken is sick

rotund swallow
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hey so when i go into codewars the first thing i get is

Try to find out why this code does not work

def multiply(a, b):
  a * b

now what and how am i supposed to give the answer

celest field
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missing semicolon

rotund swallow
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huh?

celest field
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Also, codewars want return instead of print()

rotund swallow
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so i was just suppose to put return there

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oh i thought i was supposed to give an explanation

celest field
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Yeah. I tried print() and was really confused

rotund swallow
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ok

celest field
rotund swallow
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no

celest field
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I see

rotund swallow
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why would i do that lol

celest field
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I do it. I don't like codewars text editor

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it's faster checking that way.

rotund swallow
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i would coode in vsc then paste that code

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why would i code in codewars text editor

celest field
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def multiply(a, b):
  return whatever;
print(multiply(a,b)):

is better than

def multiply(a, b):
  print(whatever); # then change to return again on codewars
multiply(a,b):
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Just thought you needed to know that.