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[pseudo creek]

heyyo @mental idol
ya ever write some kind of fantasy novel, and need some old-timey fantasy-sounding word, boom

just don't let mathematicians read your book i guess

[mental idol]

I dig it

You said "boom" and all I could think of was this.

[unkempt timber]

You compare c++ to python? They are different from top to core

[cerulean void]

what is this Zehata

[tepid elk]

people shitting on dystopian AI crap

another example of companies ignoring "AI is just a tool"

[clever salmon]

It has arrived!

Here's your reminder: this
[Jump back to when you created the reminder](#ot2-the-original-pubsta message)

[serene oxide]

in your opinion, what does "stricter and more complex python" not cover about C++'s description?

[unkempt timber]

For me most important encapsulation

[serene oxide]

so a "stricter" form of internal attributes and methods?

[unkempt timber]

I will not start arguing with you now

If you think they are so same okay cool

[serene oxide]

i mean they kind of are

but okay

[rustic hare]

im actually going to fucking rope

o not a

ok nvm im fucking nasty

[unkempt timber]

Not even remotely

[serene oxide]

is it because private and protected are actually secured by the language or are there other reasons?

because if that's the only reason then yes, it is just a stricter form of internal attributes and methods

at least elaborate if you want to be heard..

[unkempt timber]

I mean just ask AI at this point they are different in every aspect.
Just because you have If or loops in both languages doesnt make them similar.
Really everything is different

[serene oxide]

very constructive

[languid osprey]

it's just not really accurate; they're very different languages with generally different use cases and ecosystems

they're similar in that they're both languages with a lot of high level features, but you could make that same comparison with, like, pretty much any other high level language

the most obvious thing I can point out here is that C++ exposes a lot more lower level control, since it has use as a systems language

[serene oxide]

in terms of core language features, they are similar, yup

and i guess the low levelness of C is also kind of included in C++

[languid osprey]

could you not make that same statement for, like, Java? JavaScript?

it's kind of reductive to what actually differentiates the languages; they're completely different

[serene oxide]

yea

i think the kind of difference i'm talking about is simply the lack of vs. the presence of many "convenient" features

[languid osprey]

right, a lot of high level features are common, but there are more than a few semantic differences even as far as those are concerned.

[serene oxide]

e.g. implemented hashmaps/sets

[languid osprey]

i think the vast majority of high level languages would fit under that description

pretty much every language I can think of except, like, C.

so im not sure it's really a useful distinction

[serene oxide]

i mean that's kind of the point

[languid osprey]

im not sure it really fits with calling C++ just, a more complex Python, then.

[serene oxide]

finding the reason why learning C is different from learning python or any other higher level languages

although impo python is good enough as a beginner language, so i don't get why that course of action is recommended

[languid osprey]

e.g, under that distinction, haskell also ships with a hashmap implementation (and pretty much whatever else you'd expect in a high level language), but you wouldn't draw many similarities between it and python.

[serene oxide]

now that would be different in terms of programming style

[languid osprey]

what, learning C? I do kind of agree, but I also don't think the language of choice is too significant when you're starting out programming.

[serene oxide]

true

[languid osprey]

is C++ also not a different programming style?

[serene oxide]

there's that concept of similarity with python in terms of being an OOP-esque procedural language

i can't really explain it well

[languid osprey]

sure, but there's also enough differences that I don't think it's accurate to call it a more complex python.

[serene oxide]

i mean yeah, there's the major difference in syntax and stuff

[languid osprey]

not just syntax, semantics too.

you have to work with pointers, manual control over lifetimes, identity/value doesn't work the same, object layout, etc.

it's a lower level language, and there's more stuff that you can take into consideration when writing your programs (which also lets you do different things, and write code in a different way than if you were using python)

[serene oxide]

i see

it's been some time since i played with C++

i abandoned it that time because i found it too overwhelming

[pseudo creek]

i tried to extend to before dates

it broke

i was gonna see if i could push it to the 1700s and it fails at 1959

the start of metonic cycle 303 at AM5739 works fine, but 302 at AM5720 has molad tishrei on a saturday, with keviyah of 7C3

blasted reliable resource giving me the antihelpful but probably correct moladtishrei value of 6d 19h 19p 😡

hmmm
something funny is going on

[restive remnant]

Yes, you are talking

[pseudo creek]

well this is unexpected

i found the common denominator among years it doesn't like

they start on october 3rd

the happy years start on october 2nd

metonic cycle 299, AM5663, starts on the 2nd, and works for every year thereafter to AM6794, where i stop testing

that's 1902 to 3033

i thought it might have been not liking years where the cycle starts on saturday, but no. 5701's rosh is thursday, and it breaks

now let's see what happens if the rosh isn't on october 2nd or 3rd

[jolly oriole]

[pseudo creek]

i should perhaps change the constants into variables that a function takes so i can switch all this crap easier

with everything, including the tests, twould be a ~600-line function with classes and other functions inside of it, but it would only be transient

[restive remnant]

Thuri is turning into the people that Tom Scott warned us about

[pseudo creek]

funny thing is, this entire epoch system is basically to avoid a numpy import

[jolly oriole]

very true

bro is going to go bald at this rate

[pseudo creek]

cause python's datetime class doesn't support negative gregorian years

[jolly oriole]

who is this greg guy and why does he have years

[pseudo creek]

pope

[young cliff]

https://tenor.com/view/stephanie-tanner-full-house-how-rude-jodie-lee-ann-sweetin-gif-17900700

[jolly oriole]

I know, 'twas yoking

[pseudo creek]

cap

[young cliff]

Yes?

[pseudo creek]

heck thee dan

[jolly oriole]

https://tenor.com/view/lebron-pointing-lebron-pointing-thumb-lebron-thumb-lebron-meme-gif-15467774302322576430

[pseudo creek]

heck thine calendar's quirks

[young cliff]

🤣

[pseudo creek]

and heck me for not being satisfied by this thing only working for dates after 1997

or 1978

[restive remnant]

At least its not 1984

[young cliff]

You nerdsniped yourself. Don't blame me.

[pseudo creek]

and heck AM5549 for starting on october 2, 1788, a thursday, and not working

[young cliff]

You should give a talk on this.

[jolly oriole]

"How I lost my sanity and hair"

[young cliff]

It sounds like it's been a really interesting challenge and people would respond to that.

[fervent storm]

"Are you roshing me? - A nerdsnipe from hell"

[young cliff]

Don't blame me - blame the scope creep.

[pseudo creek]

how to avoid misery, a short talk by Thuri S Atic:

• don't do anything resembling datetimes
• if you do, don't do anything with negative datetimes
• if you do, just import numpy

[young cliff]

So a lightning talk 😃

[pseudo creek]

• if you don't, pray for lightning

[fervent storm]

it's unfair to not at least repeat enough of the problem to nerdsnipe further people

[young cliff]

Don't worry... I'll be bitching about the talk I was nerdsniped into doing soon enough. I'm not deep enough into writing it yet.

[restive remnant]

Why where you avoiding numpy anyways?

[pseudo creek]

originally, cause figured i didn't need a third-party import and that it would probably be more compliated

[restive remnant]

Do this enough times and eventually someone will solve it

[pseudo creek]

currently, cause probably big refactor

numpy isn't per se needed, but to avoid the epoch-style system, i would have to probably use the hebrew calendar's actual epoch, which is around 3761 BCE

and numpy supports negative year counts

[languid osprey]

naturally

[pseudo creek]

i'm still surprised i haven't hit any float accuracy issues

i'm also using the start of the metonic cycle, as opposed to just random years. i don't have to do this, but any lunar date system is based on the 19-year metonic cycle, and starting at the beginning of one is a lot easier than dealing with stuff required to start at the middle

if you ever see something about a lunar event not occuring until a while later, count the number of years. there's a good chance it'll be 19

like how the full moon appeared on christmas of 2015, and not again until 2034

[jolly oriole]

bro is deep in the trenches

[young cliff]

I can guarantee that Rosh Hashanna is always on a new moon 😃

[pseudo creek]

i mean it sorta ain't, and that's why this is possible

it's should be fairly close though

apparently reliable date source uses the julian calendar for am5511

lucky i caught that

but a question nonetheless arises:
why does everybody use the julian calendar for dates before 1753 instead of before 1582

[young cliff]

It took a long time for the Gregorian calendar to be adopted everywhere. There were places using Julian into the 20th century.

[pseudo creek]

including russia, yes

but why does everybody follow the year that britain converted

[jolly oriole]

https://tenor.com/view/rule-britannia-gif-4611085850072101161

[young cliff]

Largest empire in the world at the time?

[pseudo creek]

i mean maybe but a very helpful website from a synagogue in california ain't exactly subject to the british empire from 273 years ago

and then wolframalpha does the same, but incorrectly, as i mentioned yesterday

[young cliff]

Damned if I know.

Probably got it from the Encyclopedia Brittanica...

[pseudo creek]

i don't know why i never tried wa for rosh dates before, but it uh doesn't do well.
at all

"rosh hashanah AM5777": stock lookup

"rosh hashanah hebrew year 5777": gregorian year 5777

rosh hashanah 2016 works

[young cliff]

That's.... Odd.

[pseudo creek]

"hanukkah year 3031" is broken

and "hanukkah year 3032" it only gives the first one

[young cliff]

Admit that you are enjoying this.

[pseudo creek]

giggling at wa being broken, sure

at least for that part

[young cliff]

The challenge of writing this code.

[pseudo creek]

i found an earlier working cycle

not merely 299 but 297

now i can do dates from october 1st of 1864

hmmmm

of cycles between [292, 306], 297 and 299 work, as do 303 and 304

thuri sense pattern here math abilities impaired

[young cliff]

Thuri is talking about himself in the 3rd person. Dan thinks Thuri needs a break.

[pseudo creek]

thuri does illeism sometimes

generally for slightly-comedic effect

[young cliff]

"illism"?

[pseudo creek]

i think i spelled that correctly

.wiki illism

😔

[jolly oriole]

yikes

[pseudo creek]

ah, forget the e

.wiki illeism

[rustic harbor]

Wikipedia Search Results

Illeism
Look up illeist or illeism in Wiktionary, the free dictionary. Illeism (/ˈɪli.ɪzəm/; from Latin ille: "he; that man") is the act of referring to oneself

Ille
The Ille (French pronunciation: [il] ; Breton: Il) is a small river in Brittany, France, right tributary of the river Vilaine. It is 48.9 km (30.4 mi)

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[young cliff]

Would've asked for that too 😃

[pseudo creek]

candidate for most "wtf" word

[young cliff]

I thought that was syzygy...

!wiki syzygy

[pseudo creek]

ain't say it was the winner

[young cliff]

Why does my !wiki not work???

[pseudo creek]

why is there no . emoji 😔

! for pybot
. for lancebot

[young cliff]

.wiki syzygy

[rustic harbor]

Wikipedia Search Results

Syzygy
Look up syzygy in Wiktionary, the free dictionary. English Wikisource has original text related to this article: Syzygy Syzygy /ˈsɪzɪdʒi/ (from Greek Συζυγία

Syzygy (astronomy)
In astronomy, a syzygy (/ˈsɪzədʒi/ SIZ-ə-jee; from Ancient Greek συζυγία (suzugía) 'union, yoking', expressing the sense of σύν (syn- "together") and ζυγ-

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[young cliff]

It would be nice if it returned a "WTF is that command???" response.

[pseudo creek]

side note if you ever encounter somebody who wants you to give them a 6-letter wordle challenge, and you feel mischievous, syzygy is a great choice

[young cliff]

And woated

[pseudo creek]

i suppose if somebody does [sigil][word] [args], you can do [sigil]help [word],
so .help wiki or !help src

welp
trying to find patterns, decide to go well into future

[young cliff]

Make sure you have enough fuel for the DeLorean.

[pseudo creek]

encountered new error at am5872, corresponding to year 2111. now confused as to why it's showing up now

one of my testing functions is a date of passovers from 2001 to 2025 from the world council of churches

[young cliff]

The world council of churches for a Jewish calendar?

[pseudo creek]

https://www.oikoumene.org/resources/documents/towards-a-common-date-for-easter

chart at bottom

originally easter was on passover, but the early christians essentially got tired of constantly having to ask the jews when easter was or something

[young cliff]

The last supper was most likely a Passover seder.

But are those Gregorian dates for Passover the evening the day starts or the day after?

[pseudo creek]

the day after the evening

[young cliff]

Just to add to the confusion 😃

[pseudo creek]

same thing my program gives

i've considered adding a method to my JewishMajorHoliday class to give the duration including the evening prior, but it may complicate things a bit depending on implementation

i suppose i should switch the name, as hanukkah's an instance of that class, but JewishHolidaysIFeltLikeIncluding or JewishMajorHolidaysPlusHanukkah, while more precise, are, i think, not as good

[young cliff]

Call if MajorJewishHolidaysAndFestivals add in Purim and you're pretty accurate.

[pseudo creek]

current occupants are Rosh Hashanah, Yom Kippur, Sukkot, Hanukkah, Purim, Passover, and Shavuot

[young cliff]

So you've got the 3 festivals, 2 high holidays, and 2 minor holidays that are the ones pretty much everyone celebrates.

[pseudo creek]

for some reason, "existance starts at year 2111, get the day-of-week for april 8 2001" breaks, but not when existance starts at 2092, 2073, 205, 2035, or 2016

[young cliff]

There are a couple of minor holidays adjacent/overlapping Sukkot. And there's Lag B'Omer but I wouldn't include that.

[pseudo creek]

i expected dealing with stuff during the adars to be a giant pain, but it wasn't

def get_days_to_hebdate(keviyah: Keviyah, year: int, month: str, day: int) -> int:
    """Get day count from Rosh Hashanah to a *Hebrew* (Y, M, D) tuple

    Month is a string and must start with a capital letter.
    Year and Day are both integers. Month receives the exception largely
    due to Adar I/II usually receiving the same number, but also because
    there are at least 4 different month numbering schemes.
    """
    localcal = HEBREW_CALENDAR.copy()
    localcal['Cheshvan'] = 30 if keviyah.yeartype == YearType.COMPLETE else 29
    localcal['Kislev'] = 29 if keviyah.yeartype == YearType.DEFICIENT else 30

    days = -1  # calendar starts at the 1st, so a day must be subtracted
    for monthcursor, monthlen in localcal.items():
        if isleap(year) and monthcursor == 'Adar':
            if month == 'Adar I':
                return days + day
            days += ADAR_I_LENGTH
        if monthcursor in {month, 'Adar II'}:
            return days + day
        days += monthlen
    return 0
``` this is the entire function

i am questioning the return 0, now, though, cometothinkofit

yeah i think it was a placeholder that now can never get reached

[pseudo creek]

oh duh:
cause it doesn't get that far, and i'm expecting the other breakages and aborting the test thence

[pseudo creek]

just for fun, i tried converting the myshirhadesh julian date of september 8, year 1 to gregorian (supposedly september 6th)

unsurprisingly, it does not work

(though WA's conversion accuracy is unknown)

[pseudo creek]

i finally got around to doing a urge i got when seeing 1864

abraham lincoln died during passover

[civic wharf]

.fact

[rustic harbor]

Easter Egg Fact

80 million chocolate Easter eggs are sold each year. This accounts for 10% of Britain's annual spending on chocolate!

[civic wharf]

.pyfact

[rustic harbor]

Python Facts

Python was named after Monty Python, a British Comedy Troupe, which Guido van Rossum likes.

Suggestions

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[pseudo creek]

they were not impossible

in fact, of the 8135 total gregorian years, the "impossible" case happens 2604 times

[cedar leaf]

And this is why you write a lot of tests, you looked into property testing at all for this?

You can say stuff like "run this test on X random combinations of year month and day"

[cerulean void]

Thank god for greg

he invented the Calendar

[cedar leaf]

https://hypothesis.readthedocs.io/en/latest/

[cedar leaf]

Ofc such tests are usually more restricted to stuff like "doesn't crash", or "produces sensible result". Still need normal tests to assert specific outputs are correct

[pseudo creek]

i'm familiar with hypothesis, but i can't see it useful here

[cerulean void]

Hypo Theism

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-hypno-hypno-pokemon-gif-13640401158643583129

[pseudo creek]

the schtick was that i knew that hanukkah shifts throughout the year, and even tested for this for years 3031 and 3032, where it ends up having shifted so much the usually-one-a-year hanukkah shifts all the way out of 3031 and into 3032, meaning a year has zero hanukkahs and the next two

and i knew that pattern repeated at increasing frequency as year count increased

[cedar leaf]

I mean pointing it at whatever function this was and it would have tested a lot of year values likely hitting one of the failling ones

[pseudo creek]

but i somehow forget to account for the shift also meaning that a ton of years will have their only hanukkah in january

the way to fix it was to just put a default-case raise AssertionError in match and then run

def test_gregyear_match():
    for yr in range(CYCLE_START_DT.year+1, 9999):
        get_holidays_gregyear(yr)

which made me realize that i forgot the early-year-only hanukkahs

[cedar leaf]

and tbf that is better than property testing when the domain is small enough to test the entire thing

but also in a way that is a type of property test, just with a hard coded set of input values

[shrewd mantle]

what are you writing? 👀

[pseudo creek]

calculator for gregorian-year dates of hebrew holidays over the years

[shrewd mantle]

just Hebrew holidays

[pseudo creek]

i also have easter, and an unfortunately-hardcoded eid al-fitr. i would have diwali and holi to this, but i'd need to hardcode them, as well, and i don't know a reliable source that tells the dates for the next few decades

[restive remnant]

congratulations, you've found your next project idea

[pseudo creek]

this is originally motivated by pydis's various events that move throughout the year, as noted when the easter celebration was not updated for 2026 and happened on april 20th (instead of the 5th)

[shrewd mantle]

The issue with the Hebrew calendar is thay every 4 years, you get an entire extra month instead of a single day. I can't imagine how nightmarish it's to write

[pseudo creek]

it's actually not that bad at all

the annoying part is getting the start of the calendar correct

[pseudo creek]

this is the code that deals with leap months

[shrewd mantle]

Are we talking about "Aleph in Tishrei, (year Aleph)"?

[pseudo creek]

the true-start of the hebrew calendar involves a (highly) negative year, which python's datetime module doesn't like, so i instead elected to have pretend it starts at a much later year at the start of one of the 19-year cycles

[shrewd mantle]

ohhhh, yeah

[pseudo creek]

unfortunately, the values for many of those cycles cause problems i cannot really explain when trying to find the date of rosh hashanah for a given hebrew year, usually by incorrectly postponing it by a day or two

[shrewd mantle]

what source are you validating your results against?

[pseudo creek]

https://my.shirhadash.org/hcal/about.html

as well as hebcal.com for some of the earlier stuff

[shrewd mantle]

try this one,https://www.shoresh.org.il/dates/

it got my birthday correct

[shrewd mantle]

Hebrew dates are determined by when the sun sets, not by midnight.

So, depending if it's winter time or summer time it would be different

[restive remnant]

WHAT

[pseudo creek]

yeah, sure, but my program would postpone the starting rosh from saturday to sunday, for example. and not the first few hours, but the main part of the day

[restive remnant]

you guys are banned
just... get out
and go back to time school

Time not being a constant defeats the entire purpose of having time

[shrewd mantle]

I see

[pseudo creek]

i think what wass going on is that i was giving the hebrew year number, the start molad value, and the starting rosh date from the myshirhadesh site, but its rosh date is post-calculation, not pre, so my program was doing the calculation twice? but idk why this happen only most of the time

[shrewd mantle]

The Hebrew calendar is bad. No one in Israel uses it except religious people

[restive remnant]

And Thuri, apparently

[pseudo creek]

God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And there was evening and there was morning, the first day.
note how evening comes first

[shrewd mantle]

apparently

[restive remnant]

yeah, the moon was up, then came dawn on the first day

[pseudo creek]

i mean you need the hebrew calendar to find out when hanukkah and rosh and passover and a zillion other holidays are

[shrewd mantle]

true. that's why I'm getting google calendar notifications for when it's the holiday 😆

[pseudo creek]

in the eyes, thus, of jews - as well as muslims and, iirc, early christians - the day starts in the evening at sundown

[restive remnant]

That doesn't even make sense

[pseudo creek]

And there was evening and there was morning, the first day.
is not hard to read is "evening then morning is a day"

[restive remnant]

Also your grammar is fucky, should just start with thus,

[restive remnant]

Look, maybe Spanish was their first language
Sometimes people just write things a little backwards

[pseudo creek]

i mean tbh, the modern reckoning of the border of a day is just as arbitrary

[shrewd mantle]

instead of counting the next day on midnight, they do it when the sun sets.

This method dates to way before the term "midnight" existed I believe

[pseudo creek]

tbh, having the border at sundown i might buy making more sense astronomically, as the local area is pointing toward the sun at the time

wait
does that make sense?
hmmmm

no it doesn't. day should start at noon

astronomically speaking

which, tbf, it does, by nasa usage at least

[restive remnant]

And here I thought I liked NASA

[pseudo creek]

tbh, shen, you really want to do fun calendar stuff?

[restive remnant]

NO

[pseudo creek]

An alternative way of dealing with the fact that a solar year does not contain an integer number of lunar months is by including uncounted time in a period of the year that is not assigned to a named month. Some Coast Salish peoples used a calendar of this kind. For instance, the Chehalis began their count of lunar months from the arrival of spawning chinook salmon (in Gregorian calendar October), and counted 10 months, leaving an uncounted period until the next chinook salmon run
rip to chehali datetime library authors

[shrewd mantle]

"fun" and "calendar" are mutually exclusive

[pseudo creek]

fr

[tribal tinsel]

That's why fun is crossed out

[pseudo creek]

this entire idea is just wat, but it makes complete sense at the same time. yeah, they don't know what day it is for a month or so per year, but they don't need to know

[tribal tinsel]

Btw https://github.com/vacanza/holidays/tree/dev/holidays/calendars

[pseudo creek]

how did i see several of those type of things but not that one

and that one has hebrew, islamic, and hindu, too

unless i rejected it for reasons i cannot recall? ¯_(ツ)_/¯

side note:

A user you’ve blocked has previously contributed to this repository.
why is it everywhere 😔

[tribal tinsel]

Huh, it seems that folder is full of files with hardcoded dates, lol.
But I remember the country-specific files had some maths

[tribal tinsel]

Sounds like you blocked a lot of people... Or just someone who is really active in oss. Or maybe a dependabot, lol

[pseudo creek]

or claude

i wish i could block copilot too 😔

tbf, i not complaining that the warning is everywhere, i'm complaining that claude is, which is triggering the warning everywhere

like even nedbat's coverage has been hit

[restive remnant]

Stop blocking people?

[pseudo vale]

"people"

[restive remnant]

Ned literally works for them

[shrewd mantle]

you can actually block people on gh?

[pseudo creek]

have every single day for any date of the hebrew calendar for any year between 1865 and 9998
only have days for a few holidays from 1947 to 2100

apparently

[restive remnant]

Yes, MJ Rathbun is a very qualified developer

[restive remnant]

Yeah
It’s a antispam tool
Keeps them from being able to open issues and PRs on your repos
Useful if someone forgets how to be nice

[pseudo creek]

they do technically have more holidays than i do, but dan said lag baomer is kinda unimportant, and i'm not super keen on adding a national independence day to an otherwise-religious calendar

[restive remnant]

You trust Dan??

[pseudo creek]

dan is the fella that started this

[shrewd mantle]

Lag Baomer is the best Holiday:/

Stay up all night next to a fire

[pseudo creek]

and he's jewish (sorta, apparently?), so he's a mild authority

[shrewd mantle]

The 3 most important holidays are:

• Shavut
• Sukkot
• Peshach

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Pilgrimage_Festivals

But LagBaomer is the most fun one

[pseudo creek]

thuri is now confused

I don't work on the sabbath
I don't keep shabbat
aren't these opposite of each other?

[shrewd mantle]

Depends on how religious you are

[shrewd mantle]

one of the aspects of "keeping the shabath" is not being allowed to drive, start fire or be on your phone/TV

so he just doesn't work on Shabat, nothing else is special from what I understand

[pseudo creek]

so you can sorta-obey the shabbat by not "working" but still doing kinda-work other stuff?

i suppose not all jews refuse to flick light switches or press elevator buttons on saturdays

[shrewd mantle]

The term "working" in a religious meaning is more about lighting fire and cooking food before the shabbat

[shrewd mantle]

correct

But religious people are being very creative with bypassing the restrictions they setup for them selfs

[pseudo creek]

also heck hebrew and arabic cause there's 5 billion ways to spell crap

[shrewd mantle]

Crap? as in "shit" 💩 ?

[restive remnant]

https://youtu.be/KPYp3lOOOrg

[shrewd mantle]

yeah, that's also a thing

[shrewd mantle]

tldr. you're not allowed to leave your house on Shabat. so the red wire makes it so the entire city is your house 🤦‍♂️

[pseudo creek]

"jewish version of saturday" has been spelled four different hecking ways by the two of us in the past eight minutes 😡

[shrewd mantle]

I use the Hebrew name for it, I just write it in English 😅

[pseudo creek]

you even spelled it two different ways in two different (adjacent) messages

[shrewd mantle]

Yeah, because I've been combining the English word and the Hebrew word

that's on me :/

[restive remnant]

FINE

שַׁבָּת

Happy?

[pseudo creek]

no

[shrewd mantle]

yeah, but we don't use punctuation

[restive remnant]

Hecks off

[shrewd mantle]

שבת

[restive remnant]

Why not?

[shrewd mantle]

that's for kids

[restive remnant]

Someone go fix Wikipedia then

[pseudo creek]

i don't think there's a single hebrew term in my program that has a single spelling other than maybe Molad

[shrewd mantle]

This is fine there, it will ensure someone who can read Hebrew knows how to pronounce it

[shrewd mantle]

Molad?

As in, "Hag HaMolad"?

[restive remnant]

By punctuation do you mean accents?

[shrewd mantle]

no, I mean the dots around the word

[pseudo creek]

sorta? more Molad Tishrei or its friend i'm not using of Molad Tohu

[restive remnant]

Yeah but like
It’s güey to guey
Not güey. to güey

[pseudo creek]

did you know that an older spelling for cooperation is coöperation

[shrewd mantle]

I had to read what is "Molad", it's something used to calculate the Hebrew calendar. I've never went so far

[pseudo creek]

it approximately represents the time of the new moon

molad tishrei is when the new moon near rosh hashanah happens, and is the same day as rosh if the postponement rules don't take effect

molad tohu refers to the first molad of the hebrew calendar, which would be the beginning of the calendar, but it's not, because that would be easier

[shrewd mantle]

so, in modern Hebrew we don't use those punctuations. it's expected you'd know how to pronounce a word based on the context.

Take for example the word:
מדבר

When written alone it can be interpreted as "desert" or "talk", depending on the context.

So, If I write:
אני מדבר

(the first word is "I/I am"), you can deduce that I meant "talk(ing)", and not "I desert"

[pseudo creek]

we don't use punctuation
or vowels

[shrewd mantle]

(The actual word for desert/talk is pronounced differently)

[shrewd mantle]

we don't talk about that

[restive remnant]

Oh I see they took the hieroglyphics class of language

[shrewd mantle]

we do, but we have many many many "hidden vowels" in A LOT of words

I can't imagine how difficult it is to learn Hebrew as a second language

[restive remnant]

I’d try it but I’m intimidated by other alphabets
English/Spanish/Portuguese is where I stay

[pseudo creek]

on the jewish holiday near christmas:

With the exception of a few wild cards, there are 16 different spellings, based on four phonetic variations:
The word starts with “H” or “Ch”
Second consonant is “nn” or “n”
Third consonant is “kk” or “k”
The word ends with “ah” or “a”
like seriously bro wtf

gib vowels

[restive remnant]

Not French tho
They be crazy people

[pseudo creek]

Xanuka
Chanuqa

[vital nimbus]

smh don't slander the french

[restive remnant]

NOT THE CHANCLA

[pseudo creek]

[restive remnant]

I take it you’re French?

[shrewd mantle]

Xanuka is straight up wrong

[restive remnant]

but prove it

[shrewd mantle]

feels wrong

[shrewd mantle]

I can't:/

[restive remnant]

Kek

[shrewd mantle]

Even road signs in Israel aren't consisted with city's English spelling

[pseudo creek]

that article classifies it as a wildcard, yes, and alleges it has 992 google results compared to hanukkah's 8.5 million

apparently chanuqa had 25

[shrewd mantle]

Except Haifa, Jerusalem and Tel-Aviv ig

[restive remnant]

Eh Those signs are like trilingual
Those translators are doing their bests

[shrewd mantle]

sure, but who tf is spelling "Kadima" & "Qadima"????

[pseudo creek]

which doesn't include the Spanish "Januka"
gdi

sometimes languages are cool but sometimes you want to knock them unconscious with depleted uranium 2x4s

[restive remnant]

that’s what makes them cool

[shrewd mantle]

I can read the arabic ones, but not when I'm driving 🫠

[pseudo creek]

having weird features that others don't is cool

refusing to be transliterated ambiguously is not

like some languages have not merely singular and plural but also dual

and i think i've heard of languages with far more complex tenses than english has

[restive remnant]

I don’t see the need for dual

[restive remnant]

That be Mandarin

[pseudo creek]

some languages even have distinct stuff for 3, 4, or 5

[restive remnant]

Scary

[pseudo creek]

apparently 4 and 5 are kinda popular in sign languages

and then there're languages where there's separate numbers for counts as nebulos as "few" and "several"

[shrewd mantle]

just wait until you learn about how Korean can have 3 diffrent reading directions in the same sentence

[pseudo creek]

speaking of direction

there are cultures where left/right just don't exist

fellas always refer to compass directions

but nooooo
hebrew and arabic and russian can't have the cool stuff.
they gotta have features like "lol good luck spelling things"

[shrewd mantle]

I can read Arabic, but not write or understand it lol

[pseudo creek]

apparently israeli sign language may have number of up to eleven

and ASL ten

[shrewd mantle]

I think the largest can be 55:)

or 505 if you're creative

[pseudo creek]

"number" in terms of singular/plural/etc

although i suspect i might have just been whooshed

[restive remnant]

That’s all you get
It’s windy
Mic bad

[pseudo creek]

apparently ASL has distinct signs for "the four of us", "the five of you", etc, which counts

[restive remnant]

Link?

[pseudo creek]

wiki cites two books

but this also mentions it

[restive remnant]

Fucking ads on mobile

[pseudo creek]

oh here ya go: https://www.signingsavvy.com/sign/four+of+us/9335/1

[restive remnant]

Ah good

I was just gonna say I need a pronunciation guide

Oh that’s just a qualifier

With those rules the K hand shape would be “the two of us”
But the K is just archaic grammar

[pseudo creek]

https://www.signingsavvy.com/search/two%2Bof%2Bus

[restive remnant]

Exactly

See how they both say “us” and “we”

[pseudo creek]

no

thuri no know asl

[restive remnant]

But you can read the synonyms section

[pseudo creek]

ah. i think that's because english doesn't have a single concept for that many

[restive remnant]

Neither does ASL

They’re just saying “we” with a specific number of fingers

That wouldn’t apply to other nouns

[pseudo creek]

wiki does mention that the existence of higher numbers is debated for asl, though it only says that for 4 and higher

[restive remnant]

Huh it specifically calls out pronouns

Not like my sample size is all that big
But I’ve never seen that at home with family, at school, at competitions, or at national conventions over in Dallas

[pseudo creek]

the source it cites there is a thesis that interviews 6 people

[restive remnant]

Interesante

Is there a 7th?

Thuri what language did you take in high school?

[pseudo creek]

2 years spanish, then 2 french

highly rusty at both

[restive remnant]

You switched?

You took four years of language at all?

[sinful sun]

Hablo francais?

[restive remnant]

No wey

If you’re offended then just read that as “no way”

[pseudo creek]

i had two spanish teachers, and ironically, the one from mexico was a lot worse than the white guy whose only experience with spanish-speaking countries was visiting them as a tourist (which he admittedly did a lot, to be fair)

then he quit so i went to french

[restive remnant]

Knowing the language is very different from being able to teach it

Just wait until you have kids
The first time they go “but why” and you go “uhhhhh”
You’ll understand

[pseudo creek]

they were a strictly-by-the-book teacher, too

[vital nimbus]

ime native speakers are worse teachers than those for whom it is a second (or third) language

[pseudo creek]

white tourist teacher guy occasionally told tales of his travels, including that menthol cough drops were highly popular as candy where he went

[restive remnant]

Yeah I can explain my third a lot better than my first

[pseudo creek]

apparently this is still popular

[restive remnant]

Of course it’s also a much more reasonable language

[pseudo creek]

Depending on where you go, you can pick up creamy passionfruit, strawberry and chocolate, or even beer- and lime-flavored Halls, usually imported from Mexico.

[restive remnant]

That’s dumb

[wispy coral]

Hey

[restive remnant]

These are much better candy
https://www.tums.com/

[wispy coral]

Wow

Why are we giving links for antacids in a python server

😭😭

[vital nimbus]

a teacher who isn't a native speaker is more likely to understand pitfalls students will fall into since they will have encountered them themselves

[pseudo creek]

supposedly, the menthol causes a cooling effect that kinda offsets being bonked on by the sun all day?

[vital nimbus]

I guess as you become more advanced learning from a native speaker is better though

[wispy coral]

I feel its opposite

Native speakers understand more and can relate more

[restive remnant]

Aren’t you reading the chat
Those are delicious candy

[pseudo creek]

as mentioned before, i used to suck altoids en masse like candy

it was not a good idea

[wispy coral]

It says on the website it reduces heartburn

[restive remnant]

I remember hearing this but I don’t remember the outcome

[wispy coral]

These are medicines bruh y'all taking it like its candies

[pseudo creek]

outcome was 11 cavities discovered in a single appointment

[restive remnant]

Rookie numbers

[pseudo creek]

that included a crown or two iirc

[restive remnant]

IURR??

Do you just leave your crowns laying around so often that you don't remember them??

No on under like 50 even remembers that Altoids exist

Between that and your memory loss

I think you're at that age where we need to be concerned

[pseudo creek]

it was a while ago okay

[restive remnant]

Yeah 50 years generally is

[pseudo creek]

in the before days

[restive remnant]

Before Christ

[pseudo creek]

no before the other big c

before Corona

come on, doggo

did you forget?

[restive remnant]

I just restarted after that

[pseudo creek]

maybe you are

[shrewd mantle]

@restive remnant have you got your memory checked?

[restive remnant]

hey cmon
its my birfday
you cant be mean

[pseudo creek]

is not

[restive remnant]

true

[pseudo creek]

nice try though

[restive remnant]

But its close

You remembered to get the cake, right?

[pseudo creek]

it's also close to yesterday
which is further from your birthday

[pseudo creek]

abbot stole it

[restive remnant]

FUCK

[pseudo creek]

or ordered it stolen, idk for sure

[restive remnant]

NOT AGAIN

[pseudo vale]

I think Instagram on Android has a race condition while constructing the chat ui for some reason

How does that even happen

Sometimes messages get the wrong type of chat bubble

Sometimes they don't even get one

[rustic hare]

it does btw

[rustic hare]

speaking of memory, this thing which only does DMA costs $6000 USD

[crisp abyss]

is that a cheat device

[rustic hare]

yeah it does DMA and DMA only

i know and own DMA devices that cost about 98% less

[crisp abyss]

Imagine shelling out 6 grand to cheat.

Losers.

[rustic hare]

i would never tbh

max i'd shell out is a 20

[cerulean void]

the heck

[restive remnant]

It is now

[torpid forge]

who tf is this

wait isthat u

👀

[shrewd mantle]

I wish:/

[torpid forge]

or python dev

[torpid forge]

WHO IS THIS

[shrewd mantle]

David Beasley

[torpid forge]

he looks old

[restive remnant]

They have a name tag

[torpid forge]

which is not really visible

[restive remnant]

The name is super readable

[torpid forge]

omg thats

governer?

[torpid forge]

EXCUSE ME?? you're not arguing with me are you?

🤨

[pseudo vale]

its pretty readable

[restive remnant]

It feels like an arguing kinda day

[torpid forge]

ITS UR BIRTHDAY MAN

😭

go have a drink

throw a party

[pseudo vale]

wut

[torpid forge]

enjoy

[pseudo vale]

Happy birthday doggo 😃

[torpid forge]

perhaps a codin party

[torpid forge]

i said it first

[pseudo vale]

im ashamed you got to say it before me

[torpid forge]

mogs

[restive remnant]

It was posted right above you in two different OT channels

[torpid forge]

its the exact same way they see it

i js wished fiirst

thats all

youeven say

ty ty

to me

[pseudo vale]

im sorry 😭

[restive remnant]

💗

[torpid forge]

remember

wtf

HE GETS A HEARt

and i only get

ty ty

???

i also wished it better

[restive remnant]

I just met you

[torpid forge]

🙁

..

[restive remnant]

Can't be rushing into these things

[torpid forge]

ummokay

sorry

[restive remnant]

Relationships are a big deal man

[torpid forge]

@pseudo vale i apologize to u aswell if i hurt your feelings

[pseudo vale]

im friends with shen on IT helpdesk simulator 😛

[pseudo vale]

no no dw its good

[torpid forge]

wow

[restive remnant]

Yeah man
Shared trauma

[torpid forge]

its a shamethat imnot on that IT helpdeskkk before u

theres no sacrifice i wouldn't make to get there

[restive remnant]

Its okay
Am joking

I mix up my reactions so I'm not just repeating the same one for eternity anyways

[torpid forge]

im being ded srs don't play w me

😔

[torpid forge]

and i thought

ty ty

was orignal

[reef kayak]

Akarys - there’s a name I’ve not heard in a long, long time

[torpid forge]

i don't think i believe any of yall

[reef kayak]

What is there not to believe

[restive remnant]

Some would say that about you

[reef kayak]

I’m here from time to time

I want a channel named after myself too so I have to keep up appearances

[restive remnant]

And here I thought you came to see me

Birthday
RUINED

But seriously

It is funny that today is the day you show up

[restive remnant]

And thats easy
You just have to figure out who the weak mods are and chase them down waving your message link around until they add it

[reef kayak]

It’s your birthday :O Happy birthday!

[restive remnant]

It is! Thanks for coming!

[reef kayak]

!remindme 1y doggo birthday

[clever salmon]

Aye aye, cap'n!

Your reminder will arrive on <t:1811260505:F>!

ID: 8418

[restive remnant]

kek

[reef kayak]

I won’t forget the next one

Assuming the world still exists and I still have internet of course

[restive remnant]

IDK, that seems like a lofty goal these days 😨

[reef kayak]

Any plans for today?

[restive remnant]

Nah
Sickness is rotating around the household so we're all curled up with our blankies

Though TBH thats actually kinda fun

Been watching movies for the first time in a while

[reef kayak]

Oh no! Well, good to watch movies but get well soon!

[restive remnant]

🫡

[jolly oriole]

happy birthday @restive remnant

[restive remnant]

tyty

[reef kayak]

Also my birthday is St Patrick’s day, for the record ☘️

[restive remnant]

Isn't that a little too on the nose for an Irishman?

(I don't actually remember where you're from)

[reef kayak]

Wish I was Irish lol would have a day off on my birthday

No I’m from England-land

[restive remnant]

It is rather nice 😏

[spiral ember]

lol that occasionally happens with me and my roomates

[safe wyvern]

happy birthday rainbow canine? (if that what your name is)

[restive remnant]

Kek
It’s Brad

[vital nimbus]

brad pitt

[young cliff]

Happy birthday Doggo!!! 🎉

[restive remnant]

tyty

[safe wyvern]

the chad brad

[jolly gull]

@restive remnant happy birthday to our local python good boy wishing less hard to debug shit at work (dont want your hair to fall out from stress), more yummy bones or treats or whatever the modern programmer dogs like. waiting for new dog pic. also it seems like you got sick so get well-done soon. or medium-rare

[restive remnant]

I think that’s the nicest thing anyone has ever said to me

[jolly gull]

the famous non-non-chalant lambda ambda

[restive remnant]

It’s raining cats and dogs over here

[jolly gull]

i love rain

[fluid haven]

please share

[restive remnant]

Aight I’ll call Jesus

[jolly gull]

🌧️ 🌧️
🐈 💧
🐶

[restive remnant]

Oh shit

Family FaceTimed showing the floodwater runoffs overflowing

This time when they said “flash flood warning” they meant it

[young cliff]

You're falling from the sky?

[restive remnant]

Yeah man

It’s a vicious cycle

[young cliff]

Be careful you don't get hurt.

[restive remnant]

Thanks, I try

[young cliff]

Especially on your birthday!

[restive remnant]

That would be the worst!

[pseudo creek]

hey @restive remnant

ya hungry?

[restive remnant]

Hey @pseudo creek

I just ate

But I can always eat more

[pseudo creek]

good

🍖 🍖 🍖 🍖 🍖 🍖 🍖 🍖 🍖 🍖 🍖 🍖 🍖 🍖 🍖 🍖 🍖 🍖 🍖 🍖 🍖 🍖 🍖 🍖 🍖 🍖

[restive remnant]

😲

https://tenor.com/view/spearhyunho-gif-8614583806497163142

[pseudo creek]

enjoy

unc

[restive remnant]

I’d bet money you’re older than me

Well, some days
Other days it feels like you’re 12

[young cliff]

Look at Thuri spoiling Doggo. It's so sweet.

[tranquil ridge]

oof why

[final sable]

I like monokai

[tranquil ridge]

yeah monokai is cool

[steel eagle]

nothing wrong with it

I just can't stand the brown

[final sable]

I wouldn't care much about the background as with the font colouring

it really hurts the eyes to see so many varieties of colours

[steel eagle]

it's just like people who use F.Lux

[tranquil ridge]

though my preference is this

[steel eagle]

seeing my screen tinted orange

actually makes me angry

like genuine anger

[tranquil ridge]

hmm weird, i actually like orange

[steel eagle]

all that orange and brown looks horrible to me haha

I'd rather code in a light theme than that

[final sable]

oh, so your theme is inspired from sublime?

[tranquil ridge]

well i am epileptic so this is the most cool looking for me

@final sable that theme is everywhere

vsc, vim, sublime

[steel eagle]

sublime popularized it tho

[tranquil ridge]

oh i didnt know bout that

i just got it from rader

who was using it in vim

[final sable]

oh

[limber pollen]

Sand mode is cheating, I know, but it's still light mode

[final sable]

oh dear god

[limber pollen]

Double flashbang

aha

[final sable]

it looks like a solarised light theme

[steel eagle]

oh CHIRST

that's SOB BAD

it made my second monitor a desk lamp rofl

[tranquil ridge]

i am ok with light themes if i am not using a dark theme recently, like an instant switch is painful, also this doesnt apply to discord light theme, that one sucks the most

[final sable]

I used mine for 3 days, i got a strain because of it

[limber pollen]

Less evil

You're welcome

[tranquil ridge]

thanks 😌

[limber pollen]

urgh, dark mode feels weird on Discord

[tranquil ridge]

whats neovide though, i want that

[limber pollen]

It's a GUI client for Neovim

[tranquil ridge]

most of all i want this

ohh i see

ama go try neovide out

is it as light as nvim and vim ?

[limber pollen]

It requires a Vulkan-enabled GPU

[tranquil ridge]

uh?

theres gpu coditions for it?

cries in integrated graphics

[steel eagle]

most integrated graphics still support vulkan

my ancient laptop does, for example

[tranquil ridge]

o

[steel eagle]

and my NUCs

i3-4030u and Celeron J1300 respectively

[tranquil ridge]

idk what that is ho ho ho

[steel eagle]

processors

old ones at that

[fluid plank]

welp my intel pentium laptop cant use neovide xD

[steel eagle]

really?

[fluid plank]

it does have a discrete graphics card but lol

i mean i dont think i will install it

[steel eagle]

I'd be surprised honestly, I haven't really heard of any graphics from the last decade

that you can't install vulkan with

[fluid plank]

i think if i use neovide my cpu usage will go to 70

🙃

[steel eagle]

it's built in Rust, it's pretty lightweight

[fluid plank]

hmmmm

maybe i will try then and if it wont work oh well

[steel eagle]

neovide itself is 9MB

[tranquil ridge]

14

[steel eagle]

I know that has nothing to do with cpu usage

but, it's not bad

[tranquil ridge]

its taking so much time to install though

[steel eagle]

definitely 9, https://i.imgur.com/6142895.png

[tranquil ridge]

hmm

[limber pollen]

@tranquil ridge That's because you're building it from source

[steel eagle]

^

[tranquil ridge]

oof

[steel eagle]

the built executable will be closer to 9

[limber pollen]

I've built mine from source as well, typically, builds are more optimized

[tranquil ridge]

:o

[steel eagle]

then agian, if you're not on windows, it'll be a bit more or less depending on your optimizations

[tranquil ridge]

completely different from the topic, but what is compiling and debugging

[steel eagle]

debugging describes the process of running through a program to determine behavior

[tranquil ridge]

oh

[steel eagle]

compiling a program takes source code and changes it to a different form, the most common being into an executable that a system can run

[tranquil ridge]

ooh

k thanks

[steel eagle]

to give an example, when you run a python file, you'll notice it usually creates a dunder pycache folder with pyc files

these are your python source code compiled to the python wordcode

[tranquil ridge]

yeah

ooh

[steel eagle]

which is then interpreted by the python interpreter

and for debugging, let's say you're getting unexpected output from your program, you might set a breakpoint and run your program through the dubugger, so that the program will pause and you can inspect the value of all your variables, to see what exactly isn't doing what you intend.

Often you'll then step through the function to see how the values are changing

[tranquil ridge]

oh wow

thats cool

[steel eagle]

But debugging itself is just checking for behavior, a common form is just printing your variables after each line that changes them, so you can see the values

there's also the concept of "Rubber duck debugging" Where you explain out loud what your code is doing to an inanimate object (Rubber duck), as explaining things tends to make you understand things better

lot of stupid mistakes I've made have been solved by that

[tranquil ridge]

[fluid plank]

@steel eagle btw how are you feeling?

from what i remembered you were sick i guess

[steel eagle]

Not great, my covid symptoms ended a few days ago, and I went back to work yesterday

However, I still have a reduced lung capacity

and repeating migraines

[fluid plank]

how much was reduced?

30?

[steel eagle]

it's kinda hard to judge

[fluid plank]

i see

[steel eagle]

Just definitely can't breathe as well as I used to be able to

[tranquil ridge]

its stuck here D:

[steel eagle]

I'll probably need an MRI for the migraines, they already wanted to do one since they were becoming more frequent before covid

but now I'm getting one like every day or two

@tranquil ridge it's not stuck most likely, just takes a while

[tranquil ridge]

oof

[steel eagle]

the slower your CPU, the longer building will take

[tranquil ridge]

;(

[rotund swallow]

😄

[tranquil ridge]

ama close discord for now

[fluid plank]

the slower your CPU, the longer building will take
@steel eagle pentium

[steel eagle]

to build the executable for my discord bot on a raspberri pi 3

[tranquil ridge]

why are you laughing

[steel eagle]

takes around half an hour

[rotund swallow]

@tranquil ridge why not

[tranquil ridge]

uh idk

nvm

[fluid plank]

imma close discord. i have phone

:3

its stuck here D:
@tranquil ridge yeah it looks like it is stuck but it is not. like when you installed starship last time

wow Rust + JS is a good combination? hmmm

[steel eagle]

JS is never good

:)

[fluid plank]

oh i see

:((

JS is bad :((

[round moss]

I kind of like JS

[fluid plank]

i think i wanna learn elm but i am scared xD

[round moss]

what of?

the elm tutorial is pretty good at starting gentle

[fluid plank]

i see thanks

elm came to mind while i am exploring rust

[round moss]

unlike rust, elm has no panics, so it is even safer

[fluid plank]

i see maybe i will learn elm next year or next next year

[steel eagle]

isn't elm the language tha's like rust but even lower level?

like C vs C++?

[round moss]

no

elm is even safer, extremely simplified haskell

it has 1 way to do one thing to the extent the compiler can tell you how to fix your errors

[fluid plank]

👀

[round moss]

and all errors are at compile time

[steel eagle]

ah yeah

haskell is too functional for me

I like sprinkles of funtional, but I can't really get into a fully functional language

[round moss]

its really nice in elm, though there are some UI things inexpressible in it

https://lavirlifiliol.github.io/goblet3.html when making this, I literally never had to test it until it was done and it worked (I tested anyway, but never found a bug)

its somewhat insane

[frozen shore]

is here any programmers from finland

[steel eagle]

probably

[storm birch]

probably
Beat me to it haha

[dusty palm]

bruh i think there are many indians in this server

[frozen shore]

i would like to know who would be

[steel eagle]

why?

[storm birch]

There are people from literally everywhere, it is awesome haha

[jovial island]

china number wan

[frozen shore]

why?
@steel eagle bc i want a programmer friend bc i dont have any friends who would like programming

[jovial island]

which class are you in?

[round moss]

the wonder of the internet is that you do not need to worry about geographical location when talking to people (except timezones)

I really wish the earth was flat

would make scheduling things on the internet so much easier

[storm birch]

LOL

[frozen shore]

@jovial island explain more

[jovial island]

I mean not all ppl like programming and age will be a huge factor

[frozen shore]

oh yeah, true

[jovial island]

young ones like to play more than study
(even I did this)

[steel eagle]

helping people in this server makes me feel very old

[fluid plank]

young ones like to play more than study
(even I did this)
@jovial island btw i have not read yet the system admins book you sent

probably i will start learning it next week when i am bored

[jovial island]

wait I think that book is too much about red hat linux

I am still searching for a universal linux book 😂

[stray rock]

hii , is there anyone who knows hwo to turn on Ray Tracing o n1660? xD

[steel eagle]

you can't

it doesn't support RTX

it can run by defualt non-RTX raytracing

like any GPU

but not RTX

[stray rock]

so RTX can be run by 1660+ i guess? the 20 series?

[steel eagle]

anything with RTX in the name

2000 series and onwards

[stray rock]

kk thx

[tranquil ridge]

I am still searching for a universal linux book 😂
@jovial island you need it?

[fluid plank]

btw

@tranquil ridge it stopped compiling at 304

idk what to do

[tranquil ridge]

lol

close discord

awoo said it is based on cpu speed ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[fluid plank]

uhm i didnt open anything

so i should just wait then until it compiles completely?

which will be a thousand years

but my cpu usage now is at 3%

so it probably didnt compile anything at all

[pallid violet]

some erros probably

or the cpu is very powerful

[steel eagle]

weird, sounds like it didn't actually start correctly for some reason

if there's an error it should stop and tell you

[median blade]

well

if you have a threadripper

then

i wouldnt be surprised

[fluid plank]

now i know why skibindings takes long to build

i have slow internet and it needs to download the prebuilt binaries before it compiles

so F

now it is finished yehey

one more to compile

done

[tranquil ridge]

noice

[dusk citrus]

U guys are like everywhere lol

[fluid plank]

uh fuck

it failed

[slow valve]

This theme looks sick

[fluid plank]

hmmm?

[slow valve]

the thing you writing in

[fluid plank]

ah terminal i see

yehey

after installing vulkan-intel

it worked

lmao

[radiant pewter]

Nice

[fluid plank]

but i thought i have nvidia

:/

i mean i have

why does it not work with nvidia

[jovial island]

nvidia 😩

[fluid plank]

fuck men all team red once i get a job and buy a full workstation

[radiant pewter]

?

[dusk citrus]

Lol

[tranquil ridge]

@fluid plank i wasnt getting that error, when i tried to open it, a transparent window with black boundaries opened then closed

[fluid plank]

@fluid plank i wasnt getting that error, when i tried to open it, a transparent window with black boundaries opened then closed
@tranquil ridge weird

well i gotta sleep bro

lets talk about it tomorrow

goodnight

@tranquil ridge try running it in terminal

you can see the output

of the errors

tell me those tomorrow

for now just install vulkan-intel

[tranquil ridge]

nah i uninstalled it and i dont want to reinstall, also i tried running it from menu and terminal

[fluid plank]

yeah but it showed output

like panics and Vk something

goodnight zzzz

[tranquil ridge]

kk

[median blade]

@frigid pollen hello

i want help regarding a windows installation

arven suggested you for help

can i dm you

[frigid pollen]

He suggested poorly.

[median blade]

lol

[frigid pollen]

Windows is not a thing I do, these days.

[median blade]

ahh ok

[frigid pollen]

Were I present and watching, I may be able to intuit what needs to happen.

[median blade]

yeah its ok

thanks 🙂

[frozen shore]

I made a application wich is like Breakpro, if you know what it is. say if you want to get it

i would like to get it to a test

If someone wants it

[somber belfry]

what is Breakpro?
is it:

BREAK PRO is a professional break exercise program. It'll remind you to take breaks while studying, improve your working ergonomics and increase well-being ...

how did you make it?

python?

@frozen shore

[frozen shore]

how did you make it?
@somber belfry well i can share the code for you

in pm

[somber belfry]

Is it on GitHub?

[frozen shore]

No

[somber belfry]

are you considering uploading it to github?

or the likes

[frozen shore]

I can send the code for u or i can send the application as . exe file

are you considering uploading it to github?
@somber belfry maybe

[somber belfry]

Can you share the code here?

or through GitHub?

forgive me, but I'm a bit weary

[keen burrow]

The exe will get caught by our filters anyway

To be honest you aren't weary, it would be pretty silly to run an exe posted on a public discord

[frozen shore]

Can you share the code here?
@somber belfry is it ok if i send it in pm

private message

[somber belfry]

To be honest you aren't weary, it would be pretty silly to run an exe posted on a public discord
@keen burrow lol true, but I was expecting a .py

@somber belfry is it ok if i send it in pm
@frozen shore is it a .py?

[frozen shore]

well i can send a .py file if you want

[shadow elk]

@frozen shore You can share your code via github or other platform and post a link here. Sharing code or an executable privately is pretty suspicious

[frozen shore]

yeah, true

but i dont want to ruin anyones computer

i just wanna help people and make applications

i hope that people would trust to me

[somber belfry]

but we don;t know that

We will have to take your word for it

[frozen shore]

and i cant send it in git bc i dont have it

[somber belfry]

Why don;t you get started with GitHub or GitLab

no time like the present

[frozen shore]

well i have tred but it was kinda hard

but if i send it as a .py file, then you can read the code and try it yourself

and make sure that you have tkinter library downloaded

i am actually running it on my laptop all the time and it works pretty well

[somber belfry]

I really can't test it rn as I'm procastinating on some stuff

[frozen shore]

I really can't test it rn as I'm procastinating on some stuff
@somber belfry ok you can try it later. i just want some one else to try it

else than me

[somber belfry]

if you put it here, someone will probably try it

try uploading it to github

[frozen shore]

ok, imma put it here

[somber belfry]

uploading a single file is pretty easy

you dont even need to knw anything about git flow, etc

[frozen shore]

ok

[somber belfry]

go to github
sign up
create a repo, don't forget to make it public
upload your file/s to the repo

"repo" is short for repository

[frozen shore]

ok

[clever salmon]

Hey @frozen shore!

It looks like you tried to attach a Python file - please use a code-pasting service such as https://paste.pythondiscord.com

[frozen shore]

so how can i send a .py file into here

[somber belfry]

https://paste.pythondiscord.com/
paste it on this link

save and send the generated link

But why doont you try uploading to github?

send a link to the repo here

[frozen shore]

but how can i upload the file into git

repo

can u help

https://paste.pythondiscord.com/
paste it on this link
@somber belfry i cant paste it there

[somber belfry]

but how can i upload the file into git
@frozen shore what have you done as of yet?

have you went to github.com ?

[frozen shore]

i have a repo already

but how can i upload the file there

[somber belfry]

click on upload files or something

[frozen shore]

umm k

[somber belfry]

can you send a ss of your repo?

[frozen shore]

maybe

[somber belfry]

I don't remember where the option for uploading files is

but I guess it's somewhere on the right side

add files or upload files or something

[frozen shore]

here

something like that

can u help me now

[somber belfry]

go to the code tab

[frozen shore]

ok

[somber belfry]

currently you are in the project tab

[frozen shore]

here

@somber belfry and now

[somber belfry]

do you see the part where it says "Get started by creating a new file or upload an existing file" ?