@brazen anvil it’s clear that we don’t allow you posting invite links here.
#ot1-perplexing-regexing
terse sluice
brazen anvil
Ok sorry
terse sluice
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solid pollen
Does this embedded link appears properly formatted on the DM? 
plucky ridge
@solid pollen It does since it sends it as an embed
solid pollen
That's cool
plucky ridge
Fo sho
prisma geyser
Does anyone know of a good video course on Kotlin for beginners
graceful basin
if you already know java, the kotlin koans are nice to get you started
not a video though
solid pollen
The best one if you already okay with python would be kotlin for python devs
Not a video either though
rough sapphire
how different is kotlin from scala... I'm familiar with scala and how it's used for data engineering, but don't really know what kotlin is used for besides android
plucky ridge
Kotlin is practical for any place that you'd use Java or the JVM
It's fully interoperable and compatible with all Java libs (to my knowledge)
As far as I know it doesn't have any specific niche it fills
It's just meant to be a more pleasant alternative to Java so you can use the JVM
rough sapphire
scala is also compatible with java libs.. except it's not always straightforward to call java code from it
graceful basin
ye, kotlin is just better java 8 (the difference is not that large with newer versions, though kotlin is still better), which makes it quite convenient for the legacy codebases where java8 is still in use
well, the thing about kotlin is it is often nicer to write idiomatic java code in kotlin than in java
rough sapphire
ahhh ok
sand goblet
Scala is a functional-first language as well
rough sapphire
yeah I'm familiar with it.. built some stuff to start services through api requests.. the downside is it that it's not supported at most major companies
but Kotlin is..
so has me second guessing
plucky ridge
Kotlin is like smooshing Python and Java together
I mainly just wanted a reason to say "smoosh"
rough sapphire
lol
graceful basin
kotlin is also nice because it lets you use some functional patterns, and can have values which are guaranteed to be non-null
rough sapphire
I would try to pick this up if there were some data engineering related resources for this
sand goblet
Yeah, kotlin is null-safe for the most part
plucky ridge
The Kotlin you write will be
sand goblet
Java was used in the data science world for a very long time so.. use those tools and write kotlin?
plucky ridge
But any Java libraries might still have their booby traps
sand goblet
Yup
plucky ridge
As far as I understand
graceful basin
though any java interop assumes nullable
sand goblet
It doesn't
You can get tripped up when a java library doesn't declare something nullable that can be
Like a function return
graceful basin
does it not? When I tried it, everything from java was nullable
plucky ridge
By default?
sand goblet
It's a bit smarter than that, but it can't catch every case
prisma geyser
Can Kotlin be called a general purpose programming language
Or is it limited to app dev only?
graceful basin
it is definitely general purpose
solid pollen
Its safeness makes it applicable in a large number of fields actually
plucky ridge
Did somebody say #career-advice related advice?
prisma geyser
Nice one 😂..whoosh I go there ::::
rough sapphire
raspberry pi 4 has an 8 GB model now, neato
rough sapphire
they aren't saying this is coming out, but they also hint at the possibility of a 16GB variant as well
I bought a 4 GB one the other week with a 64GB sdhc card to run a django application that manages this distributed scraping thing I'm working on
whats cool with these vs running on a "normal" server is you can use the GPIO pins to output noise to speakers or colors to RGB leds for alerts and stuff. these things are awesome
plucky ridge
"Yep, every time someone downloads a file from my server, it makes a small fart sound."
I.... want to do that project more than I'd like to admit
rough sapphire
you can fulfill your dreams with this
plucky ridge
It would have to be one of those squeakers, you know?
Probably does show off how tired I am when that's my big asperation for the day
rough sapphire
hey, big projects can have humble beginnings lol
plucky ridge
"So my new product, the iPoot, will inform you exactly when a user interacts with your site. Judging by the tone, intensity, and as we call it "dampness" of the noises it produces, it will tell you just how they're doing."
This is why I shouldn't be allowed to have a keyboard
royal laurel
gentlemen i am eating, why u do this to me
plucky ridge
"Ah, looks like they're checking out the 'About' page"
@royal laurel I make no excuses for my terrible jokes
royal laurel
lmao
plucky ridge
Normally it's just puns but for some reason, that popped into my head
royal laurel
the only thing i remember raspberry pi of, is a friend that was insulin dependent and used one for her medication
plucky ridge
To like distribute the right amounts or something?
royal laurel
mmhm
plucky ridge
Oh that's really handy
royal laurel
OpenAPS
She had severe type 1 and could never be without a machine injecting her with insulin
plucky ridge
Glad there was a workable solution at least
In years past it likely would have either meant a death sentence or being bed ridden
plucky ridge
Artificial Pancreas
Band name
royal laurel
openaps is Open Artificial Pancreas System. It's such an interesting topic.
A true cyborg organ
plucky ridge
Does make me wonder how long of a charge the battery pack would offer
And it just worries me because there are several potential points of failure. That's not a criticism of the system, just kind of the inevitability of a system needing that many separate pieces.
It really is crazy how we're stepping closer and closer into world as shown by Deus Ex
rough sapphire
in this use case you definitely want it to fail fast and in a way where the user gets alerted quickly
royal laurel
the software underclocks the pi to make battery last longer when it's low
plucky ridge
Just makes me wonder if it wouldn't benefit from something lower maintenance like an arduino unit or what have you.
Potentially less bulky that way as well
On the flip side of this, it is kind of sad that we've gotten to the point where we have to create our own ways to do medical things.
royal laurel
She got sued
And won
They tried to make it illegal because apparently it was a "threat"
rough sapphire
a threat?
plucky ridge
The medical industry isn't used to seeing something like the open source market
It'll be interesting to see things slowly adapt as tech gets cheaper and potentially safer
But I do also foresee a lot of unnecessary accidental harm coming from less than legit biohacking options
There is something to be said about all the hoops that those things have to get through before they reach a consumer
royal laurel
I remember this very specific update to the algorithm, my friend was so happy
Apparently their math is incredibly specific
plucky ridge
Likely due to the floating point calculations it has to do
Those are always a potential irritant
A mg off in either direction could mean life or death
So precision is paramount
rough sapphire
it sounds like there is a lot of opportunities for open source projects in the medical field
plucky ridge
Not surprising. Although I tend to think of that stuff in the same way I think about car maintenance. While I could probably fix stuff myself on my vehicle, I'd rather have it done by a professional, so that if it goes wrong, I at least have someone to blame and/or know how to fix it
rough sapphire
I know very little of the industry/field, other than a lot of treatments can be extremely expensive
plucky ridge
I'm not meaning to sound negative to the project, it's incredible and I'd love to see more things like it
But it just makes me worry quite a lot at the same time
If there's a slipup in the code anywhere, that could be hundreds of lives on the line
royal laurel
The point of OpenAPS was to make it accessible by everyone by not signing with a lab brand
plucky ridge
Right, and I'm all for that for sure
rough sapphire
perhaps there should be some non-bureaucratic validation process. like it gets reviewed by a small team of doctors and programmers
plucky ridge
These are the things I love seeing come out of programming and tech
royal laurel
It does
rough sapphire
I think stuff like this is definitely a step in the right direction
plucky ridge
Agreed
rough sapphire
if it does, then great
royal laurel
Aside from that, OpenAPS is not responsible of misuse because it's just an algorithm
It's up to people to use good quality hardware
Which is, I assume, why the FDA version is so expensive
Aside from lobby
plucky ridge
Sure
The scenario I'm seeing in my head is someone uses one of these setups and passes away from an accident somewhere in the chain. Who ends up paying for the accident?
Just feels like a potential litigation nightmare
I think I'm just a worrier
That's probably what it is
plucky ridge
Right, but all potential outcomes need to be considered
Like you said, people need to make sure they're using good tech
royal laurel
Oh absolutely
plucky ridge
And it's not unlikely that someone might not use the best or be able to afford the best
plucky ridge
But honestly, reading about this makes me really happy. There's enough strife and hardship and death around as it, so the idea of people coming together to make something like that to help make lives better really does encourage me
Very cool
royal laurel
I feel so happy for the young people using it
plucky ridge
young people
You can't be that old
royal laurel
Imma be 20 and i meant it in a children way
plucky ridge
Ah, gotcha
royal laurel
a third of users are kiddos
plucky ridge
Yeah you're a youngin' to me. That makes sense to me.
royal laurel
am child
plucky ridge
But a wise one from what I can tell
royal laurel
Aw thanks! I just grab interest in a bunch of stuff
plucky ridge
True, but I can't imagine a lot of people would gravitate towards a project like that normally. Shows a large degree of compassion
royal laurel
I went to med school
Clearly I dropped
But I liked it! I find the concept of "upgrades to the flawed human body" very interesting
plucky ridge
Same here
sand goblet
hey @plucky ridge, have you heard about what the orange in chief is up to this time?
plucky ridge
Yeah read that this morning
pine vector
plays to the base, though.
sand goblet
yes, I suppose it does
plucky ridge
And we know he's all about that base
royal laurel
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
pine vector
the incumbent curse: voter turnout determines everything. 😉
royal laurel
Your jokes are the worst I love them
plucky ridge
Finally someone appreciates the terribleness!
Right, okay, I actually have to leave now. Later folks
royal laurel
baibai
sand goblet
o/
zinc cave
I bought a Raspberry Pi 4 with 4GB of RAM a couple days ago and they JUST NOW released the 8GB option. Whyyyyy
tulip palm
wait that's a thing?
zinc cave
Yes!
tulip palm
oh how fancy
zinc cave
I wondered why they were selling the 2GB for the same as a 1GB... ($35)
I should have known something was up, considering the official website said the 2GB was $45. Oh well.
tulip palm
yup, happens to the best of us
zinc cave
All the more reason to have 2 Pis later on! lol
tulip palm
although at least your complaint just informed me of a very compelling pi model, so i might get one or two at some point for some projects. ^^
zinc cave
Well, glad some good could come of my misfortune, lol
mental bison
I expected a server about coding to have more bots
bleak lintel
@mental bison we don't add any third party bots to this server
there are community made bots, @royal lake and @median dome, which are open source on https://github.com/python-discord
rough sapphire
autoescaping is enabled for all templates ending in .html, .htm, .xml as well as .xhtml when using render_template().
Taken from https://flask.palletsprojects.com/en/1.1.x/templating/
In case someone thoughtrender_template()just escapes everything.
rough sapphire
@zinc cave depending on what you need the 1GB ones may be all you need, might as well save the money
zinc cave
@rough sapphire This is true. However, I planned on using the RPi as a secondary computer that I can also leave running to host my Discord bot. And in the future, maybe even a website or game server. I spent a little under $200 on components besides a keyboard and mouse (I have quite a few of those lying around), so the $20 extra for 4 more GB of RAM would have been nice.
The monitor contributed to almost half of that budget, so it wasn't too bad considering.
rough sapphire
@zinc cave aside from my 1GB pi-3 I also have the 4GB pi-4. 4gb is still quite a lot to work with. I haven't done this with mine (yet) but I think you can disable the desktop to further save RAM
the 1GB one I got is just a lightweight flask app with a REST API running selenium, so it serves as a worker doing distributed scraping
for that it works perfectly
to add to using the 4 GB one- you'd use SSH to access it then
well for any of them really lol
zinc cave
Huh, I see. I'm not familiar with a lot of the terms you've used tbh. Idk what 'flask app', 'REST API', 'selenium', 'scraping', or 'SSH' is. I have heard the term 'SSH' used before, but only vaguely know what it is. Please excuse my lack of knowledge on this matter.
rough sapphire
no you're perfectly fine
fallen sparrow
Just curious why choose a Pi if you're planning to use it as a desktop? Pretty sure even an ancient Core 2 Duo would run circles around the Pi's CPU, and if you need something smaller there's NUCs, those compute sticks etc. I always imagined Pis mainly for the embedded use case or at least something with GPIOs.
rough sapphire
flask application is just a web application, REST API is a way services can communicate, selenium is a library that faciliates scraping, scraping is just extracting data from web pages, and SSH is accessing servers remotely. so if you have a 'headless' machine (no monitor, just powered on and connected with ethernet) you can still do anything you could do normally with it.... install applications, configure settings, etc
it works as a very cheap desktop with very low power consumption
rough sapphire
np
there are community made bots, @royal lake and @median dome, which are open source on https://github.com/python-discord
@bleak lintel @mental bison we also have @polar knoll (which is also open source, but not our bot per se)
zinc cave
And yeah, what Mark said about low power consumption. x64 architecture is power hungry and inefficient and not suitable to leave running unless power is of no concern.
rough sapphire
its a pretty cool niche that it fills
zinc cave
It really is. I'm glad that my Dad brought up the RPi 3 he hadn't set up with RetroPie yet, because that got me thinking about it, and I realized how much I wanted one after that.
fallen sparrow
Hmm I guess so, but x64 opens up a whole bunch of applications/OS you can run. When you mention $200 I'm thinking you can get a decent used PC/laptop for that
zinc cave
Yes, you can run more stuff, but at the cost of increasing power consumption by like 5× or so
There is nothing more satisfying than the thought of running a Pi at full clock but consumes 1/3 the power of my current monitor.
rough sapphire
passive cooling too, which further drives down power
assuming its in a good environment, it can run for a very long time without any sort of maintenence
zinc cave
Yeah, passive cooling is always great, but a little fan only takes up to a watt, and that removes any throttling problems.
rough sapphire
I went the passive route (on my 3 at least) so I could use the GPIO pins, specifically the power sources
zinc cave
Yeah, that makes sense.
rough sapphire
when it reads web pages for my use case, it alerts me if there is certain matches for keywords and is attached to a buzzer and bright RGB led
1000x more attention getting than an sms or email lol
rough sapphire
yeah I love these things, and mixing python with hardware stuff
there is actually a python library FOR the gpio pins actually
if you didn't know that already
fallen sparrow
What website? so we can wake you up at 12am
zinc cave
Really? What does that do?
rough sapphire
rough sapphire
@fallen sparrow :x
yeah it makes it very easy. and just the concept of having python interface with the physical world is exciting to me, whether its outputting signals to the pins, or reading whatever sensors/input devices attached
zinc cave
Yeah, it is pretty thrilling.
fallen sparrow
I have a solar powered RPi setup outside and the battery doesn't have enough capacity so sometimes at night the inverter would make a constant high pitched noise, so I definitely wouldn't set something noisy up like that on purpose haha
rough sapphire
yeah that would be the kind of thing that makes neighbors start to not like you lol
I don't mind loud noises, but I attempt to keep them confined inside
zinc cave
You know, I'm hoping that the beta firmware being developed will be stable and released by the time I get my Pi. It should let the system run cooler.
And it will let me overclock it to like 2.1Ghz or something lol
rough sapphire
I haven't heard of any new firmware. does it underclock/step down the frequency when its not under load?
I'm sure there's a word for it. some/most Intel CPUs do that
zinc cave
I think it does dip down when not being actively used, yeah.
I don't know what the term is either
fallen sparrow
Dynamic frequency scaling I think
zinc cave
Sounds right to me
rough sapphire
my i5-4690k has "steps" at 1.6 GHz, 800 MHz, and 400 MHz
zinc cave
Lets go with that
rough sapphire
wikipedia confirms
zinc cave
Hm, interesting
But yeah, if you update the firmware to the current beta version, you can overclock up to 2.147Ghz from what I've read.
rough sapphire
does it need any kind of special cooling?
zinc cave
Yes, that clock speed was with 1 decent fan.
rough sapphire
hmm you got me thinking. my rpi4 has a decent fan.... 🤔
zinc cave
So when I saw a heatsink case with two fans available to buy... I wondered...
How far can the little guy go?
zinc cave
Yeese
rough sapphire
like an array of 5-10 of them all networked and everything
zinc cave
Yes. A single Pi may be weak, but together, they are strong
rough sapphire
rough sapphire
theres some interesting stuff out there
google "raspberry pi cluster case" and go to images
quite a few different types
rough sapphire
I think theres some youtube videos or something, one sec
haha, someone turned them into a rendering farm
rough sapphire
I don't know what this does, but jeez https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_r3z1jYHAc
zinc cave
Those LEDs are dope
rough sapphire
I don't know anything about making your own custom chips like that, but I'd love to learn eventually
all I can do is breadboard stuff, and a lot of wires lol
zinc cave
I am just amazed by that Pi cluster. It seems like you would be able to do some cool computing with it.
And yeah, I don't know where to begin with custom electronics like that.
rough sapphire
its a rabbit hole I'm clueless on
but yeah once you get to those numbers, I'm sure thats quite a bit of power
btw raspberry pi has a discord server
zinc cave
Even then, for what you're getting, it's less energy than what you'd usually expect.
Oh, really?
That's cool.
rough sapphire
you might be interested in joining there too
zinc cave
Yeah, I might. Thanks for the tip.
rough sapphire
ah it doesn't let me post it lol
zinc cave
Oop, yeah, that's not allowed lol
zinc cave
Ah, alright. Probably same here soon. Goodnight!
rough sapphire
nice chatting with you, gnite
zinc cave
Yes, nice convo indeed
solid pollen
That reminds me of this https://www.tomshardware.com/news/turing-pi-raspberry-cluster-board-server
zinc cave
Hmm, yeah the compute modules may be a better way to go in some projects.
agile quail
I just watched what i thought to be a talk about software (in the end that was the lesson) but the whole time it talked about United Airlines Flight 232 and now i both hate airplanes a little more, respect the hell out of pilots and every person who works on planes alot more and got a valuable lesson at the end my brain is confused about everything lol (btw if you want to watch the talk and have time its called "How to crash a airplane - Nickolas Means | The Lead Developer UK 2016") not the most profund thing ever but a crazy enough story that if your not too sensitive to that kind of stuff is a great watch
soft violet
I'm not really aiming for the high score on the watchlist inclusions board.
gleaming hare
the prophecy
soft violet
It's almost like the inspiration for ot names are taken from conversations had here.
gleaming hare
i mean the fact that the name mentioned 6 months ago on this channel is the name now
sand goblet
hardly a prophecy
gleaming hare
yeah thats stupid
sand goblet
it was already an otname back then
sand goblet
soft violet
It's probably not just you.
The world is crazy and that has a psychological effect on people.
Physiological, at that.
There's stress toxicity and all sorts of chemical stuff that goes on.
soft violet
Your URL is malformed.
plucky ridge
Morning folks
royal laurel
heyhey
plucky ridge
Why the raspberry hat?
royal laurel
Because it's raspberry frog
soft violet
Because it combats stress.
plucky ridge
Story checks out
royal laurel
That frog is like a vibe realignment
plucky ridge
So wait, is this a frog you actually own or just a really cool image?
royal laurel
It's a really cool image
It's on my cottagecore collage wallpaper and I had to find it
soft violet
The hand could be wetter.
solid pollen
That's what she- okay maybe not
I feel like I'm needing some coffee, but coffee tastes bad IMO
plucky ridge
Heathen
plucky ridge
Double heathen
oak tangle
When I first tried coffee, I tried it with lots of milk and sugar; I hated it and did not try it again for 6 months or so
royal laurel
I'm not even exaggerating, I actually do 😅
oak tangle
Now, I just drink it as-is
plucky ridge
I feel like your pancreas might resent you, aki
royal laurel
Life resents me Hemlock
plucky ridge
@oak tangle Good man
Black coffee is the way to go. There are so many different notes and subtle flavors in coffees
solid pollen
if I say mojito is okay, am I not an heathen anymore?
plucky ridge
I have no idea what morito is
solid pollen
Time for spellchecker
royal laurel
I eat too much sugar and I admit it's a problem. Then again I'm 90 pounds and my cholesterol is below the normal so I don't really care about my diet
plucky ridge
You're a backpack
royal laurel
Yes sir
solid pollen
*mojito
plucky ridge
Anyone under 100 lbs is a backpack, to me
pine vector
@oak tangle to be fair, you have some of the best coffee in the world available to you.
undone berry
6 tesaspoons of sugar in anything sounds pretty grim
royal laurel
Told you, am child
plucky ridge
How tall are you?
royal laurel
5'4
gentle moss
i do 2 heaped teaspoons of coffee and 4 heaped teaspoons of sugar.
because it is 2 coffees in one mug.
royal laurel
Hahahaha I've been lifted off the ground several times, and it doesn't help men around me are above 5’9
undone berry
I just do one teaspoon, no matter the size of the mugh
plucky ridge
Yeah, I'm 6' so there would be carrying happening
I regularly had college backpacks heavier than you
royal laurel
( ･ั﹏･ั) I've been demoted to "Hemlock's backpack"
solid pollen
Why do you have to use this silly metric system
royal laurel
I know both so idc
plucky ridge
I feel like I should be offended that its considered a demotion
solid pollen
Oh man, that's a tall hemlock haha
royal laurel
I'm 40kg and 162cm
pine vector
i'm a "2 cream, 2 sugar" drinker myself. though, if the coffee is good enough i can go lower.
oak tangle
I do?
gentle moss
it's different when it's not instant
plucky ridge
@pine vector That's a fair point. If it's garbage coffee I'll usually tart it up
undone berry
height is the one area where where I can't move away from feet and inches properly. I just know 180cm ~= 6ft
pine vector
Ves, you're Dutch iirc, yes?
soft violet
Same. It's weird.
oak tangle
yes, I'm Dutch
royal laurel
I feel like I should be offended that its considered a demotion
I mean
It might not be if you give me something interesting to hold
plucky ridge
No no
royal laurel
Like a bööké
plucky ridge
It's more like a perpetual piggy back ride
solid pollen
The only thing that inches are good at, is drawing grids haha, 1 inch is perfect for drawing
royal laurel
Oh. well LET'S GO THEN
pine vector
The best coffee i've ever had was from a roaster in Maastrich. and i've had coffee in a lot of places.
soft violet
@solid pollen Is that your final answer?
gentle moss
i'm not sure where you have the coffee changes how good it is
pine vector
i guess i did make an assumption that all Dutch roasters are just as good...
plucky ridge
Where they source their beans from and if they locally roast it
undone berry
The environment you drink it in definitely does change it I think
plucky ridge
True
royal laurel
I had to learn both once people looked at me weird for my weight. I know my own in freedom units, and can kinda calculate off my head some numbers.
undone berry
it's pretty hard to separate that stuff from the underlying quality
gentle moss
oh you mean like holiday wine?
plucky ridge
There's a lot about taste that is just our brains lying to us
pine vector
roasting is a very important part to how good a cup of coffee is.
plucky ridge
For me, burn it
undone berry
Sat by a river on a spring morning vs driving down the motorway in the rain coffee is gonna taste different
royal laurel
Hemlock do you even have a throat?
pine vector
same. even if i do mull it down with cream+sugar. 😄
plucky ridge
Not since... the incident
undone berry
iirc more roasted = less bitter flavour?
solid pollen
@solid pollen Is that your final answer?
@soft violet 'bout inches? I.. Think so
royal laurel
I knew it
gentle moss
roasted means it's got really hurt feelings
plucky ridge
And roasting it destroys some of that in the bean
pine vector
bisk, don't drink the sadcoffee!
plucky ridge
Sadoffee
royal laurel
There's also different types of roast from different places. I remember Sumatran medium roast being so spicy compared to my usual Colombian medium
plucky ridge
That can also be attributed to where the beans were grown
gleaming hare
ok so guess fucking whaaat...
i jumped on my chair and hit my kneecap on this little mothefuckin piece of plastic inside. pain,
soft violet
Caffeine stimulates heartrate, simulating stress resonse. Caffeine might be a thing people crave, but it's probably not ideal if you're stressy.
soft violet
Brain goes, "Heart go fast? Um...okay? Imma panic a little. That's right, yeah?"
plucky ridge
As a person with anxiety disorders, I shouldn't drink coffee. And as someone with ADHD who takes a stimulant to combat it, I REALLY shouldn't drink coffee
pine vector
yeah, coffee bean-to-cup is just as involved as brewing beer. its pretty nuts.
pine vector
its pretty nuts
or, "its pretty beans" rather.
royal laurel
Brain: panic attack by stress every 2 days
Me: haha coffee machine go brrrrrrr
plucky ridge
I'm drinking decaf currently, so it's less of a fight
HA
!otn a coffee machine go brrrrrr
royal lakeBOT
:ok_hand: Added coffee-machine-go-brrrrrr to the names list.
soft violet
lol
plucky ridge
Too awesome not to add
pine vector
👏 @royal laurel you have contributed to otnames!
pine vector
yep yep
plucky ridge
Interestingly, decaf actually still has caffeine in it
I think it's just like.... 5-10% of what it was
And the caffeine they extract in the process is sold to soda companies
oak tangle
i guess i did make an assumption that all Dutch roasters are just as good...
@pine vector
We have quite a few good roasters, yes, but I assumed that hipster small roaster coffee culture was booming everywhere
Just like the craft beer thing
sadly the roaster I was a fan of in The Hague is gone
just as I moved back to The Hague
pine vector
it is. but this was an old, established roaster. if i could afford it, i'd get airfare just for the coffee. 😄
royal laurel
I drink coffee with milk, but I'm lactose intolerant, so it's either
Twitching in the floor in pain but... It's... So good... Sips
Or
Pours delactosed milk sips water would have more flavor
plucky ridge
Whaaaat
I've never found lactose free milk to be less flavorful
Or do you mean skim milk?
royal laurel
Like, 0% milk
plucky ridge
Ah yeah, that's a different beast
pine vector
non-dairy creamer (fake, almond, etc) have never been as good to me. but...i'm also not coerced into drinking it so that prob plays a part.
royal laurel
I'm not lactose intolerant, I'm intolerant of milk fat. Can't drink normal milk or yogurt.
Cheese is a-ok
plucky ridge
Ah okay
gentle moss
ALMONDS DON'T HAVE NIPPLES
royal laurel
There's not a normal name for it so I just go lactose intolerant, easier to explain
soft violet
Almonds are kinda pointy, though.
pine vector
oh...and never butter your coffee. its..no. don't.
plucky ridge
Bullet as in it made you poop yourself?
gentle moss
people are friggin weird
plucky ridge
Because that would be the result
rough sapphire
Eww who butters the coffee 😂
pine vector
it was. and i was out of 1/2&1/2...it was bad.
gentle moss
bulletproof coffee, that's it
gentle moss
"bullet proof coffee can contain 2 tbsp of butter"
royal laurel
Bullet proof? That's the coffee Hemlock drinks.
It just dissolves the bullet upon contact
rough sapphire
Never in my life I’ve heard of bullet proof coffee nor butter in coffee 😂🤣
soft violet
Coffee in cake can be great. I've never heard of butter in coffee, though.
plucky ridge
Hmm, sounds like a manlier coffee than I can really live up to
pine vector
you have now. but for your sake, forget you have.
rough sapphire
It’s almost like those New Yorkers putting butter in their muffin
Darn New Yorkers
gentle moss
a muffin is a bread product, butter seems fair game there
pine vector
wait? you don't butter muffins? blueberry muffin+butter+sugar = ermahgerd!
royal laurel
You butter anything but toast?
plucky ridge
Go to a county fair
pine vector
oh. like a butter glaze? hehe
plucky ridge
You'll be numb to over buttering of things real quick
rough sapphire
Like there’s butter melting all over their hand it’s just disgusting 🤢
pine vector
"for those days you want a cinnamon roll, but not the calories, choose 14 less calories and douse a muffin in butter"
rough sapphire
Nope they apply it themselves
royal laurel
14 whole calories
plucky ridge
I'd want the slogan to be "My Arteries are Clogging With Joy!"
rough sapphire
Lol
royal laurel
laughs in below normal cholesterol
plucky ridge
Eat more eggs
royal laurel
I ate strictly fast food for a whole month. My weight has never gone above 93
rough sapphire
I’ve never had a yolk in my egg 😆
plucky ridge
Wait what?
rough sapphire
My parents don’t “approve” of it
plucky ridge
How have you never had yolk
royal laurel
Whaaaa
plucky ridge
On what grounds do they object?
rough sapphire
If you see how strict my parents are on about food
royal laurel
Runny yolk pan egg??? That's like, so good
pine vector
i feel for the yolkless. runny yolk is what makes fried egg so delicioso.
plucky ridge
It's also where most of the nutrients are
royal laurel
Sir we're talking about eggs here
rough sapphire
THE CLOSEST WE HAVE TO CRACKERS ARE DRIED MANGO CHIPS
plucky ridge
#ot2-never-nester’s-nightmare is inactive if you want to start a convo about minecraft there, though, @severe knot
pine vector
are there eggs in Minecraft? asking for a friend..
royal laurel
What's a mango chip
royal laurel
RL has a mod that lets you make fried eggs and all that, but I don't remember at the top of my head which one
rough sapphire
It’s basically dried mango turned into a chip
pine vector
they don't have to be sugared. but...much less yummy.
plucky ridge
UM
I'm in the US
They all have to be
It's some kind of like.... American moral code or somethin'
pine vector
so is i. i've seen them about...vile creatures.
severe knot
hemlock r u EST gang
plucky ridge
Central
rough sapphire
IM EST GANG
severe knot
east coast bois 😎
rough sapphire
That’s right 👌
royal laurel
I don't... I don't know my timezone
I don't think we have one, I've never used them
soft violet
Guh. I was scrolled up.
rough sapphire
that's a timezone
plucky ridge
That's still a timezone
royal laurel
But like what's an est lmao
plucky ridge
Eastern Standard Time
royal laurel
-1GST?
pine vector
yeah, some of them cover entire countries. US be wide...
gentle moss
GMT isn't even a stable timezone
plucky ridge
No I think it's like..
rough sapphire
That’s the time zone for the east coast
plucky ridge
+4 or +5?
rough sapphire
but lots of countries have east coasts
plucky ridge
That might be UTC though
rough sapphire
For the US I meant
royal laurel
I'm +3 and that's all I know
plucky ridge
Wait really?
gentle moss
hmmmmmmmmmmmmm
rough sapphire
Anyone here buys and sell stocks?
plucky ridge
Not I
pine vector
haha. i literally had the Capt James Cook convo with the kiddo this week. too coincidence-like.
rough sapphire
Oh my
rough sapphire
Every single stock on my watch list has had a price drop 🤣
royal laurel
It's alright, time is a lie and all i know is that the sun is out and I'll have lunch in a bit
That's my timezone
rough sapphire
Accept for Home Depot
plucky ridge
Fair
rough sapphire
Some how
plucky ridge
@rough sapphire That actually makes sense
royal laurel
(it's 11am)
plucky ridge
People are stuck at home so they're busy occupying themselves
pine vector
i used to dabble. started in Blue Chips like a dum dum, then burned through a bunch of penny stocks. it was disposable cash though, so no biggy. i may get back into some ETFs/indexes here in a couple months though... second correction is coming, imo.
plucky ridge
All of that is above my head
gentle moss
short the housing market
plucky ridge
I just toss money into my 401k and have a financial guy handle it
plucky ridge
Well no but I just don't want to deal with it
pine vector
i'm also repeatedly kicking myself for not picking up AIG during the Great Recession when it hit $1.05... 🤦
rough sapphire
I was 5 during the Great Recession 😑
gentle moss
that's 2008.
pine vector
i'm old...
rough sapphire
Well about the time the Great Recession ended
plucky ridge
I can only imagine what having to deal with a fluctuating market would do to my anxiety
rough sapphire
Which was about 2010
royal laurel
All of that is above my head
I graduated in economics and I feel like I'm reading chinese :)
gentle moss
so you're 15? o_O
rough sapphire
When it started I was 3
No I’m 13
@plucky ridge some people thrive on a fluctuating market
gentle moss
you shouldn't be trading stocks.
royal laurel
Talk about memory wiping things you dont like
rough sapphire
I trade with my dad
gentle moss
no, hem.
plucky ridge
That makes sense then
gentle moss
but that makes more sense, yes
rough sapphire
It don’t do it alone XD
gentle moss
yes.
plucky ridge
@rough sapphire Sure, I know some do. But I'm sure it would stress me to the point of breaking
rough sapphire
Pedo’s on Roblox be like
gentle moss
see, i just did it then.
plucky ridge
@rough sapphire Let's not go there
rough sapphire
Mb
plucky ridge
It's fine more just cutting you off at the pass
I love the items your hero collects in Godville
"Solar-powered darkness absorber"
"Roll of disappoint-mints"
royal laurel
So a solar panel
plucky ridge
It's like this game is made for me
rough sapphire
I remember some dude tryna sell my dad solar panels at Home Depot
royal laurel
A solar panel powering a lamp
rough sapphire
It was funneh
royal laurel
A lamp!
plucky ridge
It's not producing light, it's absorbing the dark
rough sapphire
Ya know how discord is 13+ correct
royal laurel
tag yourself i'm unholy swiss cheese
rough sapphire
I bet you at least there is like 100000000 10-12 yr olds on discord
There was even a 3rd grader I met once lol
plucky ridge
@rough sapphire I don't doubt it
royal laurel
I bet you at least there is like 100000000 10-12 yr olds on discord
fortnite and minecraft servers be like
gentle moss
there are quite often far too many children on my lawn indeed
rough sapphire
you can usually guess someone's maturity by the way they communicate, @rough sapphire
plucky ridge
no u
plucky ridge
And usually, yeah
plucky ridge
But I've seen some older folks who talk (and act) like utter children, and some younger folks who carry themselves with great dignity
rough sapphire
@gentle moss those might be garden gnomes. is specsavers open?
royal laurel
there's a 12yo on the chat i'm most frequent and they don't ban him because they feel bad for him
i'm mod. i have strictly forbidden to ban him, even if he continuedly breaks the rules
modest thicket
L I F T
rough sapphire
I know this one server I was in the owner was under age, they found him and they banned him and his server lol
royal laurel
he's, in all sense of the word, an asshole to people, all the time. but "uwu we cwant bwan him hwe'll fweel bwad"
plucky ridge
Where as we have to report them to Discord since we're partnered with them
It's up to us whether we want to remove them from our server
rough sapphire
At least discord reports do something
plucky ridge
(We typically do. A temp ban up until they're of age)
rough sapphire
ROBLOX REPORTS DO NOTHING
modest thicket
all my homies play minecraft wym
plucky ridge
But yeah, Discord wants people to report the under age folks
rough sapphire
I swear probably I’ve had like 50 kids claim to report me for being to good
And I haven’t been banned yet
plucky ridge
It's for the kid's safety and for Discord's liability
rough sapphire
why would you be banned for being good? talk sense
Yeah there’s some freaks around discord
@rough sapphire idk that’s what makes me laugh
I remember how I read this one article
This one girl meet this one dude on discord
The guy claimed he was 14 like the girl
And he was asking for stuff which I’ll not mention just for the sake of it
And IT TURNS OUT
rough sapphire
The guy was 54 yr old man living in Louisiana 😱😱
The fbi found him and arrested him
for all we know, you're a 54 year old man in Louisiana
royal laurel
my 21 year old ex tried to cheat on me with my 15 year old friend
plucky ridge
For all you guys know, I'm a 54 year old man NAMED Louisiana
rough sapphire
Ever since that I’ve never friended anyone I don’t really know ANYWHERE
royal laurel
that was a weird conversation with her
plucky ridge
Yeah I can imagine
gentle moss
i'm 54 Louisiana alligators in a trenchcoat
plucky ridge
Which
rough sapphire
And the girl was like 14
royal laurel
Where even is louisiana
plucky ridge
Oh HA
gentle moss
far too long for an ot name
rough sapphire
Ya know like the Popeyes commercial @royal laurel
plucky ridge
!otn a alligators in a trenchcoat
royal lakeBOT
:ok_hand: Added alligators-in-a-trenchcoat to the names list.
plucky ridge
We've actually got some lengthy ones
pine vector
its like otnaming day...
royal laurel
I'm not American and I know what Louisiana is
gentle moss
the sad part is if you look up "alligator in a trench coat"
plucky ridge
It's the state that looks like an L
gentle moss
you get alligators literally in trench coats
rough sapphire
@plucky ridge ironic huh?
royal laurel
Bold of you to assume i know what states look like
I know texas looks like texas
And that's about it
plucky ridge
@rough sapphire Not sure if that counts as irony. Convenient, more like
rough sapphire
True true
plucky ridge
@royal laurel I was just going on the assumption you knew what an L looked like and left the rest to you
rough sapphire
texas is the state that looks like a cowboy belt buckle amirite?
plucky ridge
Brilliant
royal laurel
Hemlock please help I never learned my ABCs
plucky ridge
Alright, time to discuss ABstract Classes...
pine vector
they're hit-or-miss. and i love Popeyes...
royal laurel
Like the vampire one?
rough sapphire
There was this one kid in my class whose claimed he’s never heard or have watched Sesame Street
I CALL LIES
rough sapphire
You wanna know who I feel bad for
Hemlock's cat?
The kids whose parents won’t let me watch spongebob as a kid
i think Hemlock's cat is allowed to watch spongebob
plucky ridge
Okay
Real talk on that
My wife was at home sick one day and was watching the show "Catfished"
sand goblet
I never liked spongebob
pine vector
below a certain age, Spongbob is horrible. the scenes switch so fast... but, i do enjoy some bob.
rough sapphire
catfished is that mtv show or?
sand goblet
That's amazing
plucky ridge
You know I'm not sure
plucky ridge
Yep, MTV
plucky ridge
Not with his crunchy joints
plucky ridge
His knees are about as bad as mine
pine vector
its a drama-cat. maybe haz a future on Broadway. there's this one show....
plucky ridge
@pine vector Yeah the problem with that is that Cats Can't Dance
pine vector
nor are they supposed to look like James Corden... 😄
plucky ridge
HA
plucky ridge
Thank you for being as old as me and for understanding my references, sommer
sand goblet
That song is what I was thinking of haha
pine vector
i got you Hem.
plucky ridge
gentle moss
tbh when you mentioned dancing cats i thought of the actual musical
with all its weird sexual hip thrusting
plucky ridge
I've purged that from my brain
gentle moss
urg.
royal laurel
Hemlock you're not even that old
rough sapphire
When u mention dancing cats I thought of bingo cat 🤷♂️
plucky ridge
I'm a decade older than you
rough sapphire
Hemlock roleplays a grouchy old man on the internet
royal laurel
See? Not even that old
gentle moss
the 30's is when you start to get old.
it's the soft edge of an ever steepening curve
pine vector
ahh. 30's. such fun. 😄
royal laurel
I've dated people 2 decades older than yourself, don't even worry about it
plucky ridge
Or at least when I can justifiably play it up.
undone berry
I feel like this is people-in-their-30s elitism, and getting old really starts at like 50
50 is the age where it starts to get to the point where you can fall over and not get back up easily
plucky ridge
@undone berry Just let me have this. I want a reason to start early in my grouchy old man stage
undone berry
(for most people, there are obviously exceptions)
royal laurel
That's a beautiful mental image, thanks
pine vector
but, you can also just start saying whatever and people are like, "meh. they're old.". plusses and minuses...
pine vector
lol. now i want to watch that Tom Segura bit...
plucky ridge
Why can't I think of the one you mean
@royal laurel Also it just hit me that there's only been a 2 to 3 year window when you dating someone of that age range would have been legal. So was this a recent event?
Actually, hold that thought, back in a tic.
rough sapphire
Imagine living in Minneapolis right now 😬
sand goblet
Ooh, you rascal you
plucky ridge
You don't have to answer
royal laurel
I'm not proud and I've realized growing up, that I was being very coerced on that relationship. But I did "hang out" with my physics teacher when I was about 15. He wassss 45 I believe?
45 46
sand goblet
I mean, you were being taken advantage of
rough sapphire
U*
sand goblet
That's not your fault so much as theirs at that age
royal laurel
Yeah, it wasn't fun, ever more when he divorced his wife and began stalking me
plucky ridge
Typing on mobile
rough sapphire
Woaaah that’s actually pretty scary
sand goblet
Well that escalated quickly
plucky ridge
Oh no, this isn't the time for jokes, Hem...
royal laurel
My hands still get shaky talking about it, it really wasn't happy or fun. And it bothers me how media often glorifies young girls dating old men. Because it's absolutely not like that.
You can say a joke, it's alright
I've been out of it for 6 years now
plucky ridge
I hope the physics teacher ended up understanding the gravity of the situation
sand goblet
Ooooooh
rough sapphire
ffs Hem
I remember one time in school we learned about modern slavery and it turns out that some 50 yr old men MARRY 12 year old girls for there pleasure 😬
royal laurel
pfffffffft
rough sapphire
@plucky ridge nice one 😂
sand goblet
In some countries they do that yeah
royal laurel
Yeah that's alright hem, hahaha
rough sapphire
That’s pretty corrupt if u ask me
sand goblet
A lot of people would agree I'm sure
pine vector
Hem, i'm trying to get you a timecode on the Tom bit. just got held up on the "BIKES!" bit. 😄
plucky ridge
I didn't mean to prod a touchy subject, aki.
royal laurel
As for the next one I went on a date with a 60yo pal last year. Not my cup of tea, but I gave it a shot!
Oh it's alright
pine vector
its sooo hard to fast forward through a Tom Segura set...
plucky ridge
But as I say to everyone here, if you need to talk or just want to, my DMs are open
plucky ridge
@pine vector I can't place a face with the name
rough sapphire
reminds me of the brief period in 8th grade when I genuinely hanged out (in the most literal sense) with my Estonian teacher
royal laurel
Thank you 🥰 I promise I'm alright tho
rough sapphire
he was really cool actually
but anyways yeah that's pretty creepy ngl
You guys wanna year a joke
no
royal laurel
I didn't realize it was until I was 17
plucky ridge
That's the joke?
rough sapphire
I think that was the most stupidest thing ever
plucky ridge
I guess I don't pay attention enough to either of those things
undone berry
I can't stand hearing about shitty youtubers
plucky ridge
Biology experts would disagree
royal laurel
Lmao
rough sapphire
My mom is a biology expert
royal laurel
I still watch him but idrc
rough sapphire
@sand goblet stick up your brofists
sand goblet
Hahaha
plucky ridge
I just watch GameGrumps
sand goblet
I just want to say that gluten free bread isn't as bad as I thought it would be
plucky ridge
And like one or two speedrunners
rough sapphire
@sand goblet depends on the bread... branded/self-made?
plucky ridge
@sand goblet it's much better than it used to be
undone berry
Speedrunners are cool - I don't have the patience to follow the scene, but it's very impressive
sand goblet
I got a brand called BeFree
solid pollen
Are you a no gluten guy g?
sand goblet
Unfortunately my mom is making me try it
plucky ridge
Glutendude
sand goblet
I don't think I'm a coeliac
royal laurel
I speedrun Minecraft and that's about it
rough sapphire
ah yeah BFree is in tesco and look like the top tier gluten free stuff
royal laurel
Although I'm really interested in binding of isaac speedruns
solid pollen
I'm (trying to) speedrun super mario odyssey
sand goblet
It's hard to get here but I managed to get a small loaf
solid pollen
That's a fun game to speedrun
plucky ridge
@royal laurel I've been playing that game so damn much lately
sand goblet
Made a bacon sandwich and I have no complaints
royal laurel
isaac?
plucky ridge
Oh yeah
royal laurel
man, i LOVE isaac
sand goblet
Isaac is a good game but it's a bad top down shooter and that bugs me
plucky ridge
Me too
sand goblet
Because I like top down shooters a lot
royal laurel
I got afterbirth, ++ seems so overwhelming
solid pollen
But is you bacon gluten free
plucky ridge
Its worth it
sand goblet
Yes!
plucky ridge
Ack, talk more about it in a bit
sand goblet
Ciao
undone berry
Man, the NHS website is pretty great. It does a good job of giving a simple overview of pretty much everything you'd want
royal laurel
I see people doing pure holy or pure satanic runs, it looks INSANE
solid pollen
Because I like top down shooters a lot
That makes me remember the sand topdown section in contra 3, what a piece of shit this sequence, I still have nightmares of it haha
rough sapphire
@undone berry you know it's good when it's rivalling webmd
sand goblet
If you want to play a good top down shooter
Then you need to play Assault Android Cactus
rough sapphire
UKers and gduders how long do you think before wave 2 hits?
sand goblet
Hopefully never here in Ireland
solid pollen
There's lemon in that game haha
undone berry
Honestly, I hope its sooner rather than later. If it comes too late, I'm gonna be commuting to London and catching the damn thing
solid pollen
Hopefully we shouldn't have a second wave - I mean, out of all pandemics since the beginning of humanity, there are never been any 2nd wave
undone berry
hm? The Spanish Flu had a second wave I'm pretty sure
royal laurel
the spanish flu had 3 waves
rough sapphire
@royal laurel it's an ok game. https://arse.ee/Eyl06RZ7.png
solid pollen
Well, I get that from an epidemiologic ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
plucky ridge
HA
undone berry
Wikipedia's source for there being a deadly second wave is pretty rock solid
so it sounds like your epidemiologist was wrong or you misunderstood
rough sapphire
i need a haircut but even if there was a barber open i wouldn't trust it atm :/
plucky ridge
@rough sapphire Oh dude, I FINALLY unlocked "The Lost" character. I spent, no exaggeration, 6 months trying to unlock that bastard
solid pollen
Fair enough
royal laurel
The Spanish Flu as The Spanish Flu, had one wave
H1N1 had 3 waves
They were all called different, but it's the same virus
undone berry
Could you pull off the bald look @austere spade ?
i'd fix the @ but you can guess who I mean
rough sapphire
i dunno, probably not, although i was tempted
@plucky ridge i personally consider the forgotten/keeper to be harder to unlock than the lost
some random guy being asked if they look good bald, nice
sand goblet
It's kind of sad that bum-bo flopped
rough sapphire
the lost is my favourite character to play, though
undone berry
I don't even need a haircut, but I@m tempted to try the bald look
sand goblet
I can see why it did, but
gentle moss
@royal laurel that's wrong btw
rough sapphire
wait, bumbo is out?
gentle moss
the spanish flu had 3 waves.
royal laurel
That's literally what I said
plucky ridge
Oh yeah I don't doubt it. I got The Forgotten, but I haven't gotten The Keeper yet
Going to be working on that next
gentle moss
the whole thing was called.... the spanish flu.
plucky ridge
I actually got the forgotten a while ago. I just never got a good RNG seed to get The Lost
gentle moss
yeah but you were implying "the spanish flu" was just one wave
royal laurel
No I'm not
rough sapphire
H1N1 is swine flu
royal laurel
And whatever you think I imply is your own problem
gentle moss
[15:56] aki 🌙🍃: The Spanish Flu as The Spanish Flu, had one wave
gentle moss
it was called the spanish flu through all 3 waves.
royal laurel
You could have read all my messages and maybe you'd not be as confused
plucky ridge
Breathe, aki
undone berry
tbf - I read all of your messages and am still pretty confused as to what you mean. But this is a point that doesn't really matter, we're all on the same page in general
rough sapphire
this is probably just a naming thing between countries
plucky ridge
Also possible
gentle moss
the reason it was called the spanish flu was because spain was the only control not all busy having a war
plucky ridge
True. Pandemics bad, pigs are cool
gentle moss
and hiding the fact their men were getting super sick
rough sapphire
in english speaking countries h1n1 is swine flu whereas spanish flu is the 1918 one
gentle moss
and, that entire 3 wave outbreak, was generally, across the world, call the spanish flu.
royal laurel
Aside from like, 10 outbrakes since 1918
gentle moss
the spanish flu, had 3 waves.
royal laurel
The 2009 one was called swine flu
plucky ridge
From what I'm reading, the Swine flu is a mutated strain of the original H1N1/Spanish Flu
undone berry
h1n1 is a set of viruses. Colloquially for people in the UK, h1n1 means specifically swine flue
rough sapphire
H1Z1 was also a game lol
plucky ridge
They're in the same family, but not the same virus exactly
gentle moss
and we can't actually know the deeper uhhh... history of the spanish flu virus because it deeeeed
as if RNA is ever alive
rough sapphire
i had the pig flu
gentle moss
how was that?
plucky ridge
Guinea pig flu
rough sapphire
pleasant, as you can imagine
royal laurel
Yeah there was also h1n2 but like, antigens here and there, same thing