that sounds dumb
#ot1-perplexing-regexing
rough sapphire
gentle moss
so you might not see their terms of service while posting on the main thread
rough sapphire
Can you legitimately say that the amount of people who are going to see that tweet are the same amount as the people that are going to use the hashtag?
Even if it was legally binding, those two questions won't add up to the same number
@rough sapphire Can you?
How can you be sure that they won't claim it's theirs, even though they have no legal basis in doing so?
I think you're missing the point here
gentle moss
i mean, if they're publishing it in their media to help generate profit
yeah and their tweet is garbage
that's not how the world works
soft violet
@rough sapphire Well, okay. For one thing, that's checking a box, not speech. Say I wanted to reply to it and use the tag to let's say lambast them, but that I didn't acrually agree to what they're claiming. I have to go somewhere else? Complain on their terms? No. Fuck that.
rough sapphire
How many people do you believe will see the tweet about giving them permission?
Now,
With that number in mind
Do you believe the number of people using the hashtag will be more or less than the people who see the tweet about giving them permission?
Now you see the issue.
but the issue is hashtag and mention, no?
You can't honestly believe it'll be a 1:1 ratio
gentle moss
okay so how it's structured is a legal minefield
soft violet
@rough sapphire Sure. People have the option to not protest.
undone berry
Even if its not a 1:1 ratio, does it really matter in much of a meaningful way?
gentle moss
because it's people who @ them, use the hashtag and are replying to THE ORIGINAL TWEET
rough sapphire
@rough sapphire Hashtags get popular all the time. How many people are going to know they've given their "consent"?
gentle moss
the original tweet DOES NOT contain the "terms of use" or w/e
soft violet
@rough sapphire You've hit the nail on the head. People don't have to choose to protest.
gentle moss
that's only in a reply to the original tweet
which means you could easily "miss" the terms of service
if twitter folds the thread, for example
rough sapphire
hashtags get popular yeah, but why would you mention disneyplus and use the hashtag? i'm not a twitter user
i thought you'd just just the hashtag, so no issue anyway
gentle moss
to shit talk them for being copyright whores
i guess
this is some classic blowback
rough sapphire
haha disney make a montage with the tweets
undone berry
I honestly don't understand why this is such a terrible thing. In the worst case what happens?
rough sapphire
"fuk u disney #MayThe4th"
soft violet
@undone berry Erosion of legal principle.
undone berry
no
gentle moss
nothing terrible happens, but we were literally just talking about how fucking evil / awful Disney are
undone berry
that doesn't fly
someone misusing the law is not equivalent to the law being eroded
this isn't being upheld in court
rough sapphire
OpalMist is correct in that it could make precedent
gentle moss
this is just another example of why Disney should fuck off.
rough sapphire
But I'm also not a lawyer, so take anything I've said with that in mind 👍
soft violet
It's Disney. They could pull that off and have.
rough sapphire
wait, they aren't even doing #MayThe4thBeWithYou ... just #MayThe4th ... which is a date ... lmao
this is stupid
undone berry
it could make a precedent - then that means the real problem is bad judges not bad disney
soft violet
Um...
rough sapphire
@rough sapphire That's a good point too
gentle moss
i bet you there's a lawyer in this tweet thread
undone berry
This seems like such a relatively harmless thing from Disney that I can't get annoyed at it
in any way
rough sapphire
it does kinda seem like people are looking for a reason to hate on them yeah
undone berry
Disney lobbying for never ending copyright laws - that's something I very much can get angry at
soft violet
and they get to that point by normalising bullshit
soft violet
...fair point.
rough sapphire
hah
soft violet
Hah.
undone berry
That's pretty funny
undone berry
I dunno - in some alternative universe there is an automated trawler showing random tweets
gentle moss
Disney are facing some really bad publicity atm
gentle moss
firing all their staff and refusing to pay them
rough sapphire
not enough to make any waves by the sounds of it
gentle moss
while giving their execs huge bonuses
one of Walt Disney's kids has actually be very vocal about it recently
undone berry
Oh, I saw one of Disney's relatives talking about how shit they were yeah
gentle moss
talking about their labour practices etc
so they're quite rightfully getting a bit of a slapping
undone berry
This stuff has been pretty well known for quite a while
undone berry
good that it's being brought into light again though
gentle moss
perhaps, who knows.
it is good there's some real public awareness now of how shitty they are
i've seen it on a couple of news channels
tbh i care more that he was a bastard about extending copyright
the damage done to copyright by that one company over 100 years has been significant
rough sapphire
consider an alternative
public domain
bought by a company in china
then some shitty spin off
gentle moss
probably hilarious
undone berry
copyright laws are fucked
undone berry
70 years since publication (or maybe a different number) is clearly what the rule should be
gentle moss
yeah, instead it's like 70 years after death
rough sapphire
undone berry
and longer for corps. And if the original artist is unknown, it can just stay as is
gentle moss
Copyright protection generally lasts for 70 years after the death of the author. If the work was a "work for hire", then copyright persists for 120 years after creation or 95 years after publication, whichever is shorter.
"work for hire" isn't that hard to wrangle as a definition for disney i imagine
undone berry
also, those numbers keep getting extended
undone berry
used to be 50 years from death not at all long ago
undone berry
If so - just go for 100 years after publication
gentle moss
after your lifespan
rough sapphire
100 years on Uranus
undone berry
a longer number, but measuring from publication would be better
gentle moss
i still think 100 years would be too long
i think 50 years is enough time to get your money out of your thing
undone berry
I agree - but I think it's better than the current system
Just because copyright ends, doesn't mean you'll stop making money off it either
gentle moss
it just means there can be derivative works
undone berry
people will still care about the original author
gentle moss
people still buy Jane Austin's Pride and Prejudice rather than Pride and Prejudice with zombies
real book, btw
that's the great thing about public domain
fanfic is as close as we get at the moment for all the shit we know
soft violet
I have the Zombies book.
gentle moss
nearly all the characters we've grown up with wont be public domain before we die
so we'll never get to see Star Wars but it's all Ewoks
sure
why not?
yes.
yup.
that was a hilarious fuck up for sure
undone berry
Honestly - I'm fine with there being no more Star Wars ever
gentle moss
i used it as an example
but you get my drift
derivative works are fun
or could be fun
undone berry
I get your point though - and I agree
gentle moss
soft violet
Disney probably doesn't want to be My Immortal'd.
gentle moss
but they're both awful
undone berry
I think music is the best example. 0 reason Marvin Gaye's family need to sue people for making similar songs
gentle moss
if copyright law was more heavily applied most of the 90's wouldn't have happened
sampling blew up what we know as music
even now you have stuff like vapourwave where people are fucking with songs from the 80's and shit to create a new art
undone berry
vapourwave with a u seems really wrong for some reason
soft violet
I'm Australian, so the u looks perfectly fine to me.
I read that Americans dropped a lot of letters u because of printing/telegram costs in the earlier days and it just stuck.
Don't know if that's true or not. Makes a sense.
undone berry
I'm English, and normally a proponent of us, but that one just looks off
soft violet
Curious.
soft violet
Unless I'm selling knicknacks.
rough sapphire
doun't looks surprisingly alike to doughnut (donut) to my brain
undone berry
my brain is just fried and I'm inserting us into random words
soft violet
wourds
rough sapphire
fare ye well, fore i hath eatn' thyne doun't
undone berry
thauts actually pretty amauzing houw well it fits
rough sapphire
add an extra level with yoda grammar
undone berry
@rough sapphire it's probably best to repost your question in #ot2-never-nester’s-nightmare or maybe here again
rough sapphire
hEY I kNOW hoW to MaKE SeVERaL LiNE lambda
e = lambda:exec("for i in range(2):print(i)")
e()
This is a joke by the way
glass gorge
https://open.spotify.com/track/2h1at2szeTFQwjNtAW4zOx?si=bRAhpOgbQ8Ws9HQXdTFwyA Great song for today
glass gorge
Favorite day of the week!
low shadow
is there command line tool for finding difference of 2 folder not 2 file
rough sapphire
sdiff <(tree A) <(tree B)
rough sapphire
no, tree refers to the tree command
low shadow
and A,b refer to directory right
rough sapphire
yes, like you had in your example
low shadow
ok
rough sapphire
maybe you should look at what tree does first
rough sapphire
no, it creates two temporary files with the outputs of each executed tree and runs sdiff on those temporary files
low shadow
so there should be $(tree A) rather than (tree A)?
rough sapphire
no.
low shadow
ok
low shadow
ok
rough sapphire
this creates a temporary file. $(tree A) would just be replaced directly with the output, which is not acceptable for sdiff, which expects files
low shadow
oh
rough sapphire
it you do echo <(whoami) for example
low shadow
i get /dev/fd/63
rough sapphire
you can see that it echoes some /dev/fd
low shadow
hmm
rough sapphire
and not the actual output
rough sapphire
as opposed to echo $(whoami), which echoes the output
low shadow
thanks for the help
rough sapphire
:+1:
agile heart
Why does this happen, and what's this thing called
It's so cool but not understanding how it occurs disturbs me
rough sapphire
you probably press a shortcut to do that
agile heart
what's the shortcut?
rough sapphire
depends on the editor
on vscode, its uhhh
i think you hold ctrl-alt and press up
ah, no, it's ctrl+shift and then you press either up or down depending on how you want to expand the cursor
i think it's literally called "multi-line cursor"
rough sapphire
oh, cool, in vscode you can just hold Alt and click whereever you want the cursor to appear
neat
agile heart
oh wow
very cool
I wonder why the feature exists, what's a real life use case of it
sand goblet
It's super handy
agile heart
how
sand goblet
Because sometimes you want to do the same thing in multiple places?
agile heart
I can only think typing print(bla bla) in two places as something it would help in
but still, copy paste?
sand goblet
This is way more convenient
rough sapphire
you can edit in a much more efficient way than just copy-pasting
agile heart
oh, another would be when I have to perform multiple checks or something
actually nah
rough sapphire
say I've got 20 lines that I want to add ( to the beggining of and ) to the end of
rough sapphire
I can just select all lines, press (, press End, press )
about a hundred times faster than copy-pasting 20x2 times
agile heart
wait, but you're going to have to select all the lines one-by-one right? that is place the cursor at the beginning?
rough sapphire
just place the cursor at the beginning of the first one, hold ctrl-shift and the down arrow until they're all selected
agile heart
oh yeah, I was thinking about the other one where you press alt and select like in your pic
yeah that's neat
rough sapphire
I use this in vim pretty often to indent things, for example
Ctrl-V to go into block visual mode, select the first characters, press I <Tab> <Esc>
agile heart
Why press I?
sand goblet
Insert mode
agile heart
mhm, nice
learnt a couple new things today, even the ot channels here are so cool haha
soft hearth
can someone help me with the discord status thing with visual studio? i downloaded the rich presence extension on vsc and it doesn't work
sand goblet
#tools-and-devops is probably the best place to ask about your editor
solid pollen
So I looking for some kotlin GUI framework, and I came accross the name of TornadoFX, is it any good?
gentle moss
oh man @sand goblet is there a feature like that in pycharm?
gentle moss
gonna have to look that up
sand goblet
I think they do conflict with standard Linux keybinds if you're on Linux
visual spoke
tacit flint
what are relative line numbers?
rough sapphire
the line numbers from your cursor up or down
-1 for one up and +1 for one down (or the other way around)
see the line numbers?
they're not absolute, but relative to my currently selected line
tacit flint
why would that be useful?
tacit flint
oh ok, i don't use vim
rough sapphire
basically it's easier to write any kind of text-handling thing where you need to know "the next line I want to go to is 3 lines down"
tacit flint
but what if you have multiple selections?
rough sapphire
yep, if i want to go to a line that's currently 20 lines below my current line, i can just type 20j and ta-da
once you get used to navigating around like this, it's far, far faster than using a mouse
no idea. i don't use those relative lines or vim that much.
you always have 1 active line
but you can do visual selection?
you can have multiple selections but those are different from the active line
yes?
okay
so you can select whatever you want but only one active line
got it
you can see how there's a block selected but line 10 is the active one
:wq
:wq
tacit flint
oh
rough sapphire
:wq is vim for "open command mode, write this file, and quit the editor"
gets very ingrained 😄
tacit flint
i use hotkeys but this is too much for me
rough sapphire
it becomes muscle memory at some point
i find myself doing :wq far too often in nano whenever i'm forced to use that
at which point it screams at me and tells me it's recording a macro
aaaa
tacit flint
i mean like switching between insert/command/visual modes
rough sapphire
honestly it becomes second nature
it's not that bad
you just learn to press the esc key\the corresponding key when you fuck up 😄
tacit flint
another thing is that my esc, capslock, tab, lshift, one, backtick, and f-one to f5 keys are also broken
rough sapphire
that might make vim a better choice than many other editors for you honestly...
i
uh
ever considered getting a new keyboard?
yeah that too
tacit flint
lockdown bro
rough sapphire
also, yeah, @rough sapphire is right, you can map anything to anything
y'all not got amazon?
tacit flint
no delivery here
rough sapphire
aw rip
oh shoot that's actually a problem. if my laptop blew up...
wth would i do
soft violet
@rough sapphire Virtual keyboard.
tacit flint
after the lockdown, i can just buy a 3 dollar keyboard from my mate
soft violet
Mouse your way to victory!
rough sapphire
nooooo
why would you subject yourself to a 3 dollar keyboard
(typing this from a 300 dollar keyboard... and i'm still thinking of getting more expensive ones)
hmm
300 dollars keyboard?
mechs are expensive, yo
soft violet
Better a $3 keyboard than a nonfunctional keyboard.
rough sapphire
true that
tacit flint
Virtual keyboard.
meh, on screen keyboards slow the hell out of me
Mouse your way to victory!
i use sublime text, so yeah i am
why would you subject yourself to a 3 dollar keyboard
because it's gonna break at some point anyway
rough sapphire
maybe I should get a decent keyboard too. i was more on the "get decent headphones" line
and "get decent monitor"
but the keyboard was never a priority
if my 300 dollar keyboard breaks, i just fix it...
my 10 dollar keyboard hasn't broken once
it's a mechanical so there's nothing a bit of solder wouldn't fix
gentle moss
while my piece of shit dell has served me well
i wish i had a keyboard with a heavy enough backplate to use as a weapon
rough sapphire
oh fuck yeah
i wonder how much my keyboard weighs tbh
i feel it's at least 2-3 kilos
tacit flint
i wish i had a keyboard with a heavy enough backplate to use as a weapon
cnc keyboards, anyone?
gentle moss
oof
tungsten cnc'd keyboard frame
drop it from orbit and you could wipe out cities
rough sapphire
i know modern day wars are fought with keyboards but i never imagined this
gentle moss
:D
rough sapphire
today my mousepad went into the washing machine
let's see what comes out
whether it still resembles the thing i put in
🖱️
recently washed my mousemat, it was a great success
it should be totally fine as long as you use a low-ish temp
40C
yeah that's fine
it's good to wash it as an actual cloth because it managed to collect so much liquid
from cranberry juice to whatever
plucky ridge
Are you sure you didn't wash a coaster?
undone berry
my current mousemat has had a disgusting amount of things spilled on it
rough sapphire
well i used it as one
plucky ridge
Fair
rough sapphire
the thing stopped acting like a black surface at some point
from the point of view of the laser
undone berry
I used to use my mousemat to picture things with a plain background - now if I try to do that, it just looks grubby as hell
rough sapphire
the solution was to buy another smaller mousepad and put it on top
gentle moss
rofl
just keep putting mousepads on mousepads
end up with some princess and the pea shit
:D
rough sapphire
How do you enter usr/bin in ubuntu?
Or is there something like run in ubuntu like it does in windows?
cd /usr/bin
In the terminal?
though boy\girl you need to learn this stuff on your own
I can't go there the ui way?
Boy is the one
I'll learn it then
i'd tell you to go watch some videos from youtube but mr. hemlock the moderator told me that's bad pedagogy unless i have some specific video in mind, which I don't.
I'll watch this then?
rough sapphire
I can't install python btw
People say its already installed
Its not really installed for me though
I think
Both of these cannot run the python file
it says python not found
have you tried python3
You think that is the error?
Okay, hold on
it's probably configured correctly to look for in the right place
but there is no filename or linkname called python
so you need to either start calling it straight with python3 or just simply create the appropriate python link which simply only refers to python3
@rough sapphire Thanks mate!
tips fedora
Hey
There's another problem
I can't access pip for some reason
I did pip freeze
probably same problem as before. try pip3
It drops command not found: pip
Same goes for pip freeze
no
either pip3 freeze or python3 -m pip freeze
the module is actually called pip
/usr/bin/python3: No module named pip```i see
then you don't have pip
you need to install it somehow.
O_o
That's a boomer
try just easy_install pip
maybe that works
sudo easy_install pip I don't know
it worked for me once and I never understood why.
How to send hyperlinks?
@rough sapphire bot-only iirc
also it's fucking snowing
fuuuck
i'm gonna burst a nurst
ahuahuhau
open flame
I have a ubuntu pc, and I need to get a fast wifi adapter. Any recommendations? I tried a TP-Link one and I could not get the drivers to work.
royal lakeBOT
:ok_hand: Added burst-a-nurst to the names list.
sand goblet
@rough sapphire Markdown links are limited to two situations
- Embed descriptions
- Webhook messages
neither of those can be sent by a regular user, which is intentional
it's technically possible to use a selfbot/client mod to send embeds, but those are a big no-no as they violate the Discord ToS and might get you banned
undone berry
I'm like 30m into using Android Studio and I already want to throw my PC out the window
sand goblet
why so?
undone berry
I've gotten the emulator to work before with my AMD cpu, but on a reinstall I can't figure out how to do it again - and there's been like 3 other unrelated issues. I have a app template I just need to build on, but there's so many annoying headaches with settings menus and gradle files
sand goblet
I can't say I've had issues like that, but I do have an Intel core
undone berry
Yeah, not having access to HAXM is the main thing - I've solved it before, so I can do it again, but it's just infuriating
solid pollen
Oh hey, I'll just post this conversation to people always asking me why I don't have an AMD CPU, along with all the hundreds of UE4 bug reports because of AMD
undone berry
Intel CPUs do seem easier for development - but AMD is just the better company of the two
(I got my stupid thing working - no idea how)
plucky ridge
Easier for development? Don't they for the most part use the same kinds of instruction sets?
undone berry
Intel supports some stuff AMD doesn't - they have some weird virtualisation tech that would have solved my headache with Android studio, and what Akarys mentioned about UE stuff
plucky ridge
Gotcha gotcha
solid pollen
Oh man, you cannot imagine the amount of stupid little difference there are between the two, and that have an incredible domino effect
plucky ridge
Speaking of stupid, I have a question: Is it possible to add instructions to a CPU after creation? Or is that not doable since they're essentially burned or built into the chip itself?
rough sapphire
it is possible to add pseudoinstructions via microcode
solid pollen
Probably not, if you want to add a physical circuit for it
rough sapphire
they're not really instructions because they're not implemented via silicone, but with other instructions instead
solid pollen
You'd be better making a PCIe card hehe
wet pewter
What project should a beginner try to make?
rough sapphire
@wet pewter what do you think would be fun
nah I'll give shit proposals anyway. maybe better find some list and pick one from there
undone berry
The best projects are something you're genuinely interested in
some kind of calculator for a game you play. Or a simple tool to manage mp3 files. Or a script to email you each night at 10pm to tell you to go to bed
@wet pewter
rough sapphire
wet pewter
Okay thanks @rough sapphire @undone berry
plucky ridge
I would like a nap
gusty oar
does python lack of something can other language does
or python have greater feature than other languages
superior
undone berry
Python's ease of use means it's easy to pick up - that's quite important as to why it's so widely used in academia
then the fact it has a massive ecosystem for science stuff surrounding it gives it a massive boost
rough sapphire
yee haw 🇺🇸 🤠 🐄 🐮 👨🌾 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0RthSr3l0Y
"he yee'd his last haw" 😦
the polkka of Eeva 🇫🇮 👵 👨👧 🕺 💃 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMvpeYBnwTg
(for the record it's not "LEVA's polkka" even though even some finns seem to think so - the reason is because it's in a thick accent)
the polkka is about a guy taking a girl out and there is a grandmother who doesn't want that to happen...
they go dancing out and they have some 'fun' and the grandmother tries to interfere but the guy tells the granny "I can't guarantee your safety if you don't take your bones and go to sleep now"
wow that sounds rapey .. the point of the song is that it's all in good faith and granny is just being old-fashioned 👵
rough sapphire
</end>
ocean cipher
@tame terrace Could we make a game jam channel for community-hosted Python game jams?
rough sapphire
my first ever beard cut done at home by myself. i think i fucked it up
tame terrace
@ocean cipher I don't understand. also, use #community-meta for these kinds of suggestions or it'll get buried.
the community is free to host game jams through #591999731325075487 and #592000283102674944
otherwise, #game-development can be used to discuss gamedev in general
clever wedge
my favorite part of starting a new project is writing out all the __init__ files
idk what it is but I enjoy them so much more than any of the other files
edgy magnet
@rough sapphire Probably the .NET family, since I dev on windows, the language let me do a lot of crazy stuff
C# is pretty mature, and it's become open source
edgy magnet
I still work with C# and I still love it
You can definitely make games with C#
osu is made with C#
But if you go deeper into gaming, C++ is what you should pursuit
I'm talking about this game https://osu.ppy.sh/home
rough sapphire
Osu?
@edgy magnet How popular/good is it?
And actually, I don't want to do gaming
So cpp is probably not what I want
I've not played any game within the past 5 years
And I'm 17
edgy magnet
Its pretty good, the game is quite old, probably 10+ years now and is very popular, you can search for cookiezi the guy made thousands from streaming it
The thing about cpp is that it teaches a lot of things
rough sapphire
Oh
edgy magnet
Knowing cpp is always an advantage in CS
rough sapphire
What's CS?
edgy magnet
Computer Science
rough sapphire
Ooo...
agile quail
yeah cpp or java is like the "gateway drug" of a whole lot of other things
agile quail
stupid anology dont mind me its basically means it opens you up to alot of other things with more ease
agile quail
i belive so im not a expert on it so feel free to correct me
rough sapphire
I'm on linux
edgy magnet
Cpp lets you write os independent code
You can even make os from cpp
The problem comes from dependency in your software
rough sapphire
The problem comes from dependency in your software
What do you mean?
edgy magnet
Dependencies can be compiled to fit each OS, so when you code in Linux some of your dependencies may only work on linux
And so when porting to windows it may not run, in contrast to pure cpp
rough sapphire
@edgy magnet How can I compile it to fit each os?
And how can I make it "pure cpp", if that makes the code platform indipendant?
edgy magnet
For example some dependencies use dll on windows
And Linux can't read dll natively of course
You simply don't use dependencies that have os versions, or you write everything yourself
solid pollen
You can definitely make games with C#
@edgy magnet Unity is C# too
rough sapphire
@edgy magnet Is there a way to tell which dependency is from a specific version and which is not?
I don't want my program to be os indepandant
solid pollen
C++ is really versatile, you can compile to almost every platform, but you'd have different binaries for each platform
solid pollen
Either stolen or bought in lots
soft violet
Hm. lot. That could be a new python datatype. What do you think? Lists, tuples, sets...lots.
I'm not being serious.
gusty oar
as i understand , one website got breach
and passwords got leak
and hackers try this passwords on other sites
as far as i understand they hack that way
but dunno
plucky ridge
You're not wrong
A lot of people reuse passwords, so if you have an email and a password that you know works on one, it's probable that it'll work other places as well
wraith oriole
You can check your password here: https://haveibeenpwned.com/Passwords
they also have a nice api if you want to write your own client to keep your password local (if you feel hesitant about entereing your password in that form)
rough sapphire
dangerous, how?
are you talking about the password lists you can download?
because those are hashed, not actual plaintext passwords
with each password being represented as either a SHA-1 or an NTLM hash to protect the original value
solid pollen
I walked up strains and what am I seeing on my computer?
An emergency mode baby!
Yeah, missed it so much
plucky ridge
Que?
solid pollen
It is the linuxy thing when it cannot boot because there was a random issue
solid pollen
Here because it cannot (once again) mount my projects drive
plucky ridge
You know, I've always wondered that
Why does Linux always have such a bear of a time auto-mounting drives on boot?
Why is it not the default behavior?
solid pollen
I don't know
It seems like my drive is never on the same device file in /dev
I mean, sure I have 5 different drives, but I don't spent some times swapping the sata cables around :/
And of course, it swapped the screens too
That's the most silly bug ever
Like, the screen junction is still in the right place
But widgets and wallpaper are swapped
plucky ridge
I think it has to do with time of detection
It's a crapshoot/race to see which gets juice first
soft violet
That's why you use uuid
soft violet
in fstab
solid pollen
Yeah I figured it out haha
soft violet
Not /dev device
solid pollen
But the KDE device manager sucks
plucky ridge
Okay, so for the longest time, I didn't know what fstab was, and always read it as "FUCK! Stab!"
solid pollen
It has a functionality to generate a fstab but it doesn't use the uuid
soft violet
heh
plucky ridge
Like oh shit there's a spider coming out of the computer killitkillit
soft violet
Yes, well, as an Australian, that has happened.
Kind of. I opened up the case and there was a dead spider. Same thing.
solid pollen
Hey, at least that's an upside of not being a native speaker, I lookup words that I don't know haha
I already had some cobwebs in a case
finite spade
and bugs are bugs
solid pollen
Bug hunters!
finite spade
humans are debuggers
solid pollen
!otn a spiders are debuggers? @plucky ridge 
undone berry
I have a uni assignment to implement a Dots and Boxes game in Kotlin as a mobile app. With it, there's a bunch of framework code including an implementation of the base game. It seems like the most overdesigned nonsense in the world; there's thousands of lines of unit tests and other stuff that it just doesn't seem worth me caring about. A basic python implementation of this thing would be ~200 lines at most
thorn snow
@undone berry People overthink a lot of things
Sometimes my customers block 100 ports in iptables, wasting their time on the ephemeral range, when they should just drop packages to RFC1918
plucky ridge
I'd also say that unittests are still important, even for something simple like this
Get into the habits early so that you don't struggle with them when you really really need them
undone berry
I'm not disagreeing - I like unit tests. But the whole OOP approach that's been taken seems so incredibly overdesigned and unnecessary. Far more classes than there needs to be, and far more provided code than there needs to be
gritty mulch
@sand goblet Don't yert me nerd
plucky ridge
Makes sense
plucky ridge
I wonder if they're going to be releasing it on PS4...
thorn snow
haven't heard anything about that
sand goblet
I really would like to see a decent kotlin community on discord
Be the change you seek in the world, I suppose. But also I wouldn't want to make a pydis clone. Feels disrespectful.
sand goblet
Reddit never used to strike me as a site that likes things like discord
But yeah maybe I guess
PyDis got quite a lot of things right tbh
plucky ridge
I mean, I think it'd be great personally. We've made a thing to encourage people to learn and love a given programming language. Why would it be disrespectful to copy that and apply it to another language?
sand goblet
I dunno, I just don't think it does this place justice to be like "oh this works well, let's do that" when it's taken literally years to come up with it here
plucky ridge
I mean maybe? But that's kind of what happens with things. You have a pioneer in an industry that starts the whole thing, figures out what works or doesn't work, and others learn from that and continue to build
I think it would be more disrespectful to do it but never change or grow
sand goblet
I mean yeah, you'd definitely want to put your own spin on it instead of just outright being a clone, that's no good
plucky ridge
I'm not even worrying about it being a clone
More that I would hate to see it just stagnate as an instance of what this server is at a specific point in time
The other server would have to grow and learn what works for that given community, but building on and benefiting all that's been learned here
sand goblet
That's a good point, yeah, and I'm sure there would be separate iteration
rough sapphire
@sand goblet did you never go on freenode irc?
sand goblet
I sure did
rough sapphire
well, just consider it's like that but a different platform
sand goblet
I don't really understand the comparison
I mean if you're trying to say discord is like IRC, I guess?
rough sapphire
there are help channels on freenode for lots of languages
we are basically doing that idea on a different platform
so yeah, in that analogy, discord is similar to irc
sand goblet
I guess so
sand goblet
I'll think about it, but no way in heck am I doing it on my own
rough sapphire
Discord's a bit better in the sense that you can have multiple channels within one Discord server.
But Discord's client is also massive compared to any IRC client
Also that whole show images by default thing on Discord uses more memory than it needs to.
You also can't make your own Discord server, on your own VPS/dedicated hardware/etc like you can on IRC. Which makes IRC have a huge plus.
But IRC is also antiquated in regards to a lot of things, so.. eh.
gentle moss
it's also exactly what it needs to be
and you could bolt a lot of stuff on if you wanted
twitch's chat used (still uses?) IRC
undone berry
still uses
or at least you can still connect to twitch chat via irc clients
I don't think it's necessarily using it behind the scenes though
sand goblet
All bots also use that
sand goblet
Hmm?
undone berry
yup
gentle moss
it now says "at least 6"
undone berry
haha
gentle moss
rather than "6 or 7"
undone berry
the at least is definitely funnier
gentle moss
yeah
i was looking it up to see if they'd updated it
got a chuckle
it ups the maximum to infinity
"hey, how many kids did you say you had again?"
"uhhh.... at least 6."
gentle moss
It is
I recommend reading into the full history of it
The sale process has been anything but transparent
And what we do know is dodgy as fuck
And it smells like a massive insider deal done by current / former ICANN employees
That's ignoring the fact a private equity firm isn't suitable for running a charity based domain
Even if you treated this like the sale of another TLD it would still stink to high heaven
ICANN are showing more and more how they're not fit for purpose
Money grubbing shits
gentle moss
Yes. It's rarely used like that
The EFF are kind of over blowing that aspect
It's more concerning that a private firm with unknown financials will be in charge of it
Not even unknown financials
Just unknown
A for profit business should not be in control of a non-profit TLD
Classic ICANN behaviour though
If you've followed their behaviour over the past decade it's pretty gross
The new TLDs kinda just exist because of corporate pressure and a desire for moooooonnnnneeeeeyyyyy
gusty oar
hmm makes sense
i don't see .org domain novadays much
more likely .com
i wonder why
gentle moss
Because you're not often visiting non-profit websites?
Our company hosts 2 charities and they both use orgs
gentle moss
Yeah, it's meant for non-profits
Charities etc
Wikipedia is an org
Mozilla
A bunch of health institutes
But I do highly recommend looking up ICANN's history
They control a shit load of domains so if you ever plan on owning a domain it's good to know who your master is
gusty oar
hmm is all of domain is owner is ICANN ?
gentle moss
No. Regional domains are owned by internet bodies of that nation
.UK domains are handled by Nominet for example
gusty oar
hmm .com ?
gentle moss
Oof. India disagrees with that
There is some politics around regional domains.
Fun domain fact
The domain for Tuvalu is what generates most their national income
That domain being .tv
Poor country with a desirable domain. They exploit that for national income. Smart
Most is probably wrong. It's significant in terms of GDP though
In 2010, nearly 10% of the revenue of the Government of Tuvalu came from royalties from .tv addresses.
Wew. 10%
Oh shit @undone berry
DS9 kicks off in s6
Gal Ducati's daughter goes traitor and gets shot, Morn smuggling shit.
Why is Morn in all the shit but never speaks. Feels like a writer's joke.
All he does is listen to people and drink at Quark's.
Wait a minute, is he a Cheers reference?
A bar fly background character
Morn is almost Norm
gusty oar
😄
paper willow
gentle moss
Hey man don't judge me for liking straw Trek
To be honest understanding the complexity of domain hierarchy is massively more nerdy
"oh I know all this stuff about a widely watched and loved collection of TV series"
Vs
"oh I know about this non-profit who control a majority of domain names and no one even knows they exist"
I think star trek nerds are on a lower level of nerd than I am.
Stop being mean, dorks.
:3
rough sapphire
@gentle moss you could have pasted some rick and morty copypasta there and swapped out the references
gentle moss
Oof that's mean. the Rick and Morty fan base is some dire shit.
i'm just saying that star trek is far from the dorkiest thing i do
Sit in a voice chat with me and you'll realise that there's too much going on in my head
:D
It's obvious that
I LOVE STAR TREK
They have the nicest geopolitical dramas
It makes my other hobby of reading international news feel annoying
But did you know Klingon men have to fast Infront of a fire for four days before a wedding?
And I thought that having to be forced to work fields of opium poppies otherwise you'd be executed by terrorist organisations was harsh!
rough sapphire
@gentle moss have you watched star trek discovery yet?
gentle moss
2 EPs. It deviates from format too much.
rough sapphire
it's trash
gentle moss
It makes it hard to watch
rough sapphire
it is really trash
gentle moss
Yeah I'm being polite
But you can't judge a series from two episodes
So I withhold judgement
Because I ain't a bitch that jumps to conclusions
..... For television series
rough sapphire
i watched the whole s1, it's bad
rough sapphire
have you watched picard yet?
gentle moss
Discovery is the only new one I've touched
Oh, that other one with the guy from quantum leap I watched
That was shit
rough sapphire
ds9?
gentle moss
Sam Beckett from quantum leap
Yeah that one
Shite
But I consider voyager the best one
So I'm an outlier
Should take my opinion with a pinch of salt
Although I'm right on everything
undone berry
Voyager is great. Next Generation is probably the best though, hard to beat picard
Although, Ryker has a lot of annoying episodes
raven rampart
Anyone here know or learned Julia?
deep drum
Why might Docker be preventing a app from accessing a SQLite database?
Attaching to hyve_hyve-sync_1
hyve-sync_1 | Waiting 60 seconds before running initial sync…
hyve-sync_1 | 4/26/2020, 7:03:42 PM: Running sync…
hyve-sync_1 |
hyve-sync_1 | Create initial tables (if necessary): 0.035s
hyve-sync_1 | Drop zombie tables: 0.000s
hyve-sync_1 | Error while trying to sync.
hyve-sync_1 | SqliteError: disk I/O error
hyve-sync_1 | at Object.attachHydrusDatabases (/usr/src/app/services/sync-client/src/db/index.js:34:7)
hyve-sync_1 | at Object.run (/usr/src/app/services/sync-client/src/sync/index.js:22:6)
hyve-sync_1 | at Object.<anonymous> (/usr/src/app/services/sync-client/bin/sync:94:10)
hyve-sync_1 | at Module._compile (internal/modules/cjs/loader.js:1123:30)
```Original dev isn't helpful in providing an answer, so I'm looking for someone more proficient with Docker.Hrm, I thought YAML front matter was built into markdown. I guess that's just Jekyll maybe.
I thought it at least knew to filter it out.
if not parse it
yeah, you need a front matter parser to rip and tear it from the markdown
mm, cool.
or just do it yourself, really
should be pretty trivial to do
yeah, its pretty easy i imagine
yeah, I just could swear I read that it did it automatically. I must have been recalling Jekyll docs.
solid pollen
TIL (well, yesterday night) that all java classes bytecode started by the hex cafe babe, surely you understood the joke haha
rough sapphire
Just thinking out loud:
I need a manner of getting data from markdown documents with their metadata into dicts and then to json. Also pretty trivial but Im thinking about how I'll need to structure all these documents.
In my dumb interactive fiction app, I designed a system of advancing time on a clock and logging events, objectives, and their consequences. There's still a lot more to do. But I cant keep using dummy data.
And I can't be a writer and a programmer at the same time for whatever reason. So yaml and markdown seem like theyll do for this... Its just a lot of dynamically needed material to organize.
I have fake data json files now that should be generated by someone writing these outcomes. Managing all of them is too hard to do any other way
solid pollen
Just popping into the conversation, but why not directly parsing markdown files?
rough sapphire
Basically, I have to at some point render writing on to my web app, and due to the nature of a game where there are so many options and choices, there is a large variety of content that is shown at a given conditional only.
The markdown is honestly just an idea to allow me to write these snippets of outcomes to actions that require info, exposition about mission objectives, detailing all manner of things that need to be written well and organized somewhere, somehow. Its easier for me to write "Okay, this is an outcome for if you suceed at this using this at this phase on this mission." And then just write the next that will be automatically put into p tags for me.
Then I can build a dict from both the yaml, the html, and dump all of it to json where I can use it easily. I think that will work...
Otherwise I'll be writing from a terminal as I pass fiction into methods.
I dont do well with it haha
solid pollen
Sounds complicated, mixing a lot of languages like this
I think you’d better making your own templating system
Your engine might even have a built-in system
rough sapphire
nah, Im using Jinja for templating. It's not templating that is hard really. The part that is hard is organizing all the outcomes and the writing that goes with each of them.
I need to have it removed from code.
So I need basically plain text files that have metadata with them
There is probably a less complicated way
you're right
Basically, I cant focus on writing and coding at the same time.
I get trapped in one or the other.
Separation of concerns, is that what they call that haha? I dont think it applies here
Python needs to be able to read in the metadata and the file and know what to do with it.
solid pollen
In that case, I’d make a rough templating engine first, start writting templates, and as I need features come back to coding, but yeah it can get messy pretty quickly
Although, it sounds like it is just background story, amybe make it work first, and fill in the blanks later?
rough sapphire
I mean, the getting the content on the page is very simple imo. It's just a matter of having in a structure where I can find it when I need it when
Yeah, I should focus on just finishing it into something and move on to something else I think. No overcomplicating it when I dont need to.
As for what you said. Are you suggesting that I write something like jinja2 myself? Beucase, I know it fairly well. I think I'd be holding myself back if I tried to do it myself.
At least Id be holding back finishing the project haha
I think I would fail at making something that works half as good as jinja
solid pollen
Well, I think you should use only one file format, if jinja works for the whole thing, it should be okay, but if not, I think you should write a templating language yeah
gaunt wyvern
anyone know of a C++ discord that is active? I want to get into anti-cheat type things but dont know where to look
rough sapphire
#include
Hrm.... I wonder how one would go about writing their own. Honestly I dont see how it would help me very much. The issue is sorting out data structure. I can write classes that pull data, get bodies of text from plain text and wrap them in p tags and a container for them using markdown without thinking about it.
I agree that yaml metadata seems silly now that Ive thought about what you said and I do just need it in another format.
Right now, I am dumping various collections module dicts and such into json files and reading from them to build objects. This allows, at the moment, a user to create their own campaign using my game engine potentially, if they can figure out how to write the json file to do it for them... ha.
I would like some input on another related matter if anyone has it.
I was going to keep data containing elements of the gameplay, minor template pieces of HTML, and things that will be passed off on occasion to JS out of my database. There are two reasons for this. 1) concern with security, 2) and the fact that the content doesnt do well with relational databases I have discovered. It is too... not constant.
Would you recommend nosql over json maybe? I have not looked at that yet.
there is a JSON DataType in Postgres, too. Thats an option for non relational designs...
stuck meteor
can i make a question about maths here?
its about a problem with linear system
a guy has chickens and cows. the chickens are 3 times the cows and the total number of legs is 200
How to know how much the chickens and the cows are? 
rough sapphire
is this homework?
this pretty basic
you just need an x and y and you get two equations
which you then solve
gentle moss
the farmer needs to track his livestock better
analog ore
BARRE_ING DOWN THE ROAD
contester was like barreYing down the road????
and he was like noo.....
jack?
barreling down the road
won 0$ lol
guys this gdude admitted he was beta male
gentle moss
o_O
analog ore
he said he was barreling down the ROAD
gentle moss
O_o
rough sapphire
what
gentle moss
yeah i'm not sure either
soft violet
@JES_S#8310 The door was large enough, but, alas, remained closed.
Huh. Deactivated account?
Left server?
sand goblet
They were probably removed I think
gentle moss
oh man. from my office room i can see my blackbird chill out on the phone lines before swoopity swooping in for breb
mother fucker loves breb
also had a flock of sparrows eating breb this morning
god damn i like watching birbs do birb stuff
plain slate
sand goblet
boabies, I assume
soft violet
I took a walk in the yard today. I should have had my camera. A whole bunch of Eastern rosellas chattering to each other. The local honeyeater in the correa, getting into the little tube flowers. Then a pair of King parrots, a male and female. They saw me, I saw them. They just kept nibbling on some berry things on the fence while I stood there.
The honeyeater has been a real treat, as are the Kings when they come in. We get a lot of the Easterns on a regular basis.
The kings love the tomatos.
gentle moss
PARROTS
aw damn
i just get sparrows, thrushes, tits and blackbirds
sometimes robins
soft violet
We get sparrows in the city. I don't think I've ever seen them out where we are.
Robins up in the alps. Used to have what we called blackbirds, but I don't think they were native.
soft violet
I'm afraid I don't follow.
gentle moss
a seagull. i saw a seagull.
soft violet
Ah ha.
Large beak that one. Ours tend to have stabbier looking beaks. All the better for stealing chips/fries and pizza.
gentle moss
that's xx's pet seagull
although i think he killed it because it hasn't been around in a while
soft violet
Uh...huh.
gentle moss
we used to get nearly daily updates on kevin
soft violet
That's cute. Our gulls are...less pleasant.
These ones' voices have a soft kind of lilt to them. Our gulls are more like an angry crows gargling lemon juice.
gentle moss
that seagull is not indicative of all UK seagulls
most are bastards and will steal your chips and attack your children
UK's a small enough island that seagulls are kind of just everywhere
the city ones are proper bastards though
gentle moss
gotta love when a number of microsoft's mail servers get flagged as "high risk"
so a huge chunk of people cannot send mail
gentle moss
i had just configured an entire nginx environment before installing it too
rather than unpick the mess i decided to just re-install
sand goblet
You basically just want to install the version and the fpm
The php package doesn't even include fpm
gentle moss
yeah, i did a brain fart in the process
but i was just surprised they bundled apache with it
@sand goblet what was that server config tool you were talking about the other day?
bored at work and looking to automate some shit
sand goblet
Terraform? Saltstack?
gentle moss
the AWS deployments look interesting though
dusky orchid
plucky ridge
Das root
gusty oar
i thought about something. i wanna keep all of my passwords in one database
via docker
and i will keep docker in digitalocean
is this possible
gentle moss
so i've had adblock plus installed on a device i barely used and never bothered to switch to ublock
it just gave me a frickin advert
sand goblet
Yup!
solid pollen
BTW, do you know an adblock that work based on a blacklist instead of a whitelist?
gentle moss
all of them work from a blacklist
sand goblet
That's how they work yeah
solid pollen
AdBlockPlus uses a whitelist
gentle moss
"OK" ads
gentle moss
yes
twattish business model.
"donate money to us so we can keep blocking ads! oh btw we're taking money from ad providers to display their ads..."
next step is injecting those ads in place of existing ads
cha-ching
solid pollen
I mean, I'd like that all sites aren't blocked, but I can turn it on for one site
plucky ridge
Oh no
Bisk
You just made me think of a business name
"Twattish and Twattish: Attorneys at Law"
gentle moss
idk why but it made me think of a detective show
Twattish and Tash
a classic case of tash cop, bad cop
solid pollen
I'd to gitignore IDE-generated files from most popular IDEs, I have .idea/ and .DS_store for now, which one am I missing?
solid pollen
Hmm
I mean, I'm no good at configuring PyCharm's things
So I'll probably end up with some very unfunctional things haha
I could always put them back later
VSC generates .vscode/ apparently
Seems like that all for major IDEs
sand goblet
Use the ignore plugin in pycharm
it'll handle it for you
it won't ignore the useful things
solid pollen
But what is that useful stuff?
Well, only one way to know
That restart was blazing fast
gentle moss
nipple mouse
solid pollen
Oh really, they're back again with that horrible tit
solid pollen
Oh yeah that looks good
gentle moss
it's got hundreds of options
solid pollen
Although I think I only need to ignore one folder, plus IDE stuff
solid pollen
Since it is a compiler, there's no support for the language that doesn't exist yet 🤔
I mean, I think it could be overignoring files
Already seeing an issue 
How on earth do I lint
gentle moss
check your belly button
solid pollen
?
solid pollen
I'd to lint, but I don't want to use pipenv :/
Since the python code is only transitory
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm
wraith oriole
everything is transitory
entropy is ever in creasing in the universe
solid pollen
That doesn't help at allll haha
wraith oriole
Yet it causes no additional harm.
gentle moss
nothing lasts, but nothing is lost.
wraith oriole
The only certain things in life are death and taxes.
gentle moss
a wink's as good as a nod from a blind bat.
wraith oriole
too right.