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gentle moss
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if you swear at it it gets upset and just does a "beeboop"

solid pollen
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beeboop is the upset alexa

rough sapphire
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for a while "Alexa, can you please fuck off?" said "Sorry, I don't know that one"

gentle moss
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they keep trying to make it more human and i'm not fond of it

undone berry
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One day, Alexa's gonna tell you to fuck off back and turn off all your lights or something

wheat lynx
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That would be a great feature

gentle moss
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good thing i don't want a smart home

solid pollen
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"Sure about that? Okay, I'm turning your tv off"

wheat lynx
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If they introduced that, i would get one

sand goblet
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the general smart home paranoia is mostly unfounded

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just don't buy shit devices

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and keep things local

gentle moss
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i use it to convert weights and measures, play some music and sometimes look stuff up when my hands are too dirty to touch stuff

undone berry
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The thing is, people don't know to do that

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And theres not really any good way for normal people to get informed about this stuff

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Also, people over like 40 are regularly just astoundingly shit with technology. My uncle/aunt have a bunch of the smart home stuff just set up in the shittest possible ways

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so theres near constant fucking binging and bonging from random triggers on random stuff

sand goblet
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I've been considering setting up like

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as a sort of smart home consultant

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but I wonder if there's really a market for it here haha

undone berry
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I think you'd have a hard time persuading people that it was a useful service

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even though it definitely would be

sand goblet
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I mean, I don't think it'd be that hard

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not if I provided the full package

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drive out, come look at your house, see what you'd like automated, buy and install the hardware

undone berry
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I guess if you installed shit as well, people might go for it

gentle moss
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yeah, you'd need some liability shit though

undone berry
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I dunno. You're on par with like a window installer person at that point

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probably not too many legal issues

gentle moss
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if the windows leak ya know

undone berry
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There's not really legal issues there. Just if he did a shit job he's meant to fix it right

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or if the windows were defective, he goes to the window makers

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and the same holds true for smart devices

gentle moss
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if the windows leaked and caused damage

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f.ex

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not sure how you could fuck up so bad with smart devices

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but you know

undone berry
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I dunno - I'm not sure how liable mr window actually is in that case

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and in a practical sense

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you're probably never getting any money out of mr window

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because dealing with shitty tradespeople is impossible

gentle moss
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i imagine they'd have to have some liability insurance in the case where they did fuck shit up

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at least a good traders person would

undone berry
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bigger companies might, but I don't think most smaller ones do

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mostly because they're largely self employed

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rather than registered as limited

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meaning theres not very much regulation surrounding them

gentle moss
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i suppose

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glad i'm pretty good at DIY tbh

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in that dream where i own a house i'd have very little need for a handy man

undone berry
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medium+ plumbing/electric jobs are like the only things that aren't feasible to DIY

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if you're alright at it

gentle moss
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even if you were good with electrics you'd need a qualified spark to vet them

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else good luck getting home insurance

undone berry
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Yeah, I'm not really sure how much you can/can't do yourself with electrical stuff

rough sapphire
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the general smart home paranoia is mostly unfounded
@sand goblet the more I've worked in my industry, the more I've realised how fucking wrong this is

sand goblet
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Nobody is going to snoop on you across the internet using your local z-wave and zigbee devices

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nobody is going to snoop on you across the internet with your home assistant instance that you didn't expose to the internet

rough sapphire
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if it's internet facing and does anything relatively "smart", it is exposed to the internet

sand goblet
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Well, neither of those things are

rough sapphire
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if it grabs updates, it is exposed to the internet

sand goblet
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And home assistant itself has a very good security track record from what I've seen

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which isn't a surprise given that it's a massive open source project

vestal briar
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We talking about iot now ๐Ÿ‘€

sand goblet
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zigbee/z-wave are inherantly local-only protocols, they don't do internet

rough sapphire
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that really does not matter at all

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it communicates with your phone, which is connected to the internet

sand goblet
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it doesn't, actually

undone berry
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How much value even is there in snooping on random people?

sand goblet
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I could see there being value if you were like, snooping mics somehow

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or cameras

undone berry
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Even then, I don't think its a good value proposition

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the amount of inanity you'd have to sift through to find something useful

sand goblet
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it would be an awful lot of work for little payoff, true

undone berry
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would be insane

rough sapphire
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it would be an awful lot of work

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you really don't understand how insecure these things are

sand goblet
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I'm quite aware, thanks

undone berry
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But what happens when a device is compromised?

vestal briar
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Aren't iot stuff generally joked about for how insecure they are

sand goblet
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Honestly I don't think people are trying to comporomise IoT devices for their snoop potential

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you mostly hear about people using them for botnets

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but people might be targetted for snooping, that's certainly a thing

undone berry
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Ransomware and snooping are the two concerns I hear about

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neither of which is that major

vestal briar
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My lightbulb is going to be ddossing now?

undone berry
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imo

sand goblet
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what hax is saying is that it's often possible to intercept things like updates and modify them, I think

rough sapphire
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they are often used to pivot into internal networks as well

sand goblet
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right, that's a thing as well

undone berry
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So what, you use the iot devices to get access to some plebs router, then you can see stuff like https traffic in plaintext?

vestal briar
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Bet the nsa fucking love iot

rough sapphire
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that's not how https works

undone berry
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well, https is on the device iirc

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so thats a bad example

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but

sand goblet
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yeah that's just not https

undone berry
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some other protocol

sand goblet
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haha

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you could intercept rtsp I suppose

rough sapphire
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more often, the internal network is scanned for vulnerable windows machines etc

sand goblet
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yeah

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but I still don't see this as a major concern if you're buying the right devices and have your network set up correctly

rough sapphire
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ie unpatched machines you can simply eternalblue as SYSTEM into and work from there

undone berry
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I dunno. I still don't see this as that bad of a value proposition for the average pleb

vestal briar
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Feels like saying as long as you have locked your windows, the hurricane that's coming in your direction is fine

rough sapphire
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@sand goblet i've tested two iot devices (one from a relatively "big-name" company) which I have been able to compromise remotely with relative ease

sand goblet
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I'd be quite sure in saying I don't use either of them

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I'm assuming you tested a smartthings hub

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which, yeah, those are kind of crap

rough sapphire
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dunno what smartthings is

sand goblet
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Samsung's IoT platform

rough sapphire
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nah

sand goblet
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you can just straight up run groovy on that thing

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The setup I use is to run home assistant (via their OS) on a raspberry pi, and z-wave everything I can

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everything I can't gets its own isolated network

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the only device on both networks is the HA pi

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so the HA would be my single point of failure

vestal briar
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Oh for fuck sake

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Mum is now telling me to download kindle books and music because chronavirus might shut the internet down

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Smile and wave

sand goblet
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lol, does she think it'll come down the tubes?

vestal briar
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Something like that..

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I think she thinks the infrastructure in china will shut off so no internet for the rest of the world?

celest tide
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if their firewalls died it'd be a silver lining to the whole thing

sage hamlet
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lmfao

balmy folio
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at least if the internet shuts down, a few of us will get some time off

undone berry
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Windows is such a giant pain in the ass. All I want to do is format a drive with a bunch of crap on it, but it fails and refuses to give me a reason why

vapid bluff
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sounds like a job for diskpart

viral parrot
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diskpart -> select drive -> select partition -> delete partition

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you can use the list command to see the numbers of each drive/partition

undone berry
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I don't even know where windows is installed at this point. I'm just dumping everything and reinstalling

rough sapphire
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macs are better than other pcs
prove me wrong

sand goblet
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We have USB ports

sand reef
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And direct SD card compatibility

sand goblet
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And no safari

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I actually kind of wish I could install safari for webapp testing though

sand reef
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emulators?

rough sapphire
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@sand goblet psst... hey

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vms

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also doesn't mac have USB3 C-type ports?

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I wish I had more of those, I only have two (one of which I usually use for my dock)

sand reef
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Probably talking about USBA

rough sapphire
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i hope nobody saw that typo

sand reef
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what typo?

undone berry
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I'd happily switch to an all USB-C mobo/case

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just because

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its cool

rough sapphire
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same

undone berry
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even if it is less useful

sand reef
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And considering the EU's new ruling

rough sapphire
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it's hella fast and would push manufacturers to consider that the new standard

sand reef
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Type C everything is a possibility! yay!

undone berry
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I have a USB-C keyboard, but all my other peripherals are type-a

sand goblet
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@rough sapphire Macbooks have exactly one USB-C port iirc

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Also VMs are great but you can't get the OSX images

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I got a Catalina image from a Mac user and that still didn't work

royal lakeBOT
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Hey @rough sapphire!

It looks like you tried to attach a file type that we do not allow. We currently allow the following file types: .3gp, .3g2, .avi, .bmp, .gif, .h264, .jpg, .jpeg, .m4v, .mkv, .mov, .mp4, .mpeg, .mpg, .png, .tiff, .wmv, .svg, .psd, .ai, .aep, .xcf, .mp3, .wav, .ogg, .md.

Feel free to ask in #community-meta if you think this is a mistake.

rough sapphire
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wat

sand goblet
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Womp

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What type was it?

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If it was textual, they want you to use a pastebin

rough sapphire
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oh, webp

sand goblet
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Oh, that probably should be allowed

sand goblet
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Also that list isn't sorted :v

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Oh, two ports?

rough sapphire
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two on each side

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four total

sand goblet
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C ports are still kinda useless though

rough sapphire
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the only thing that I rely on which absolutely must be type A is my yubikey

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buuut they have a C version of that as well iirc

sand goblet
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All of my keyboards, mice, my mic and webcam, the hubs in my screens..

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I don't want to rebuy and I don't want to use dongles either

rough sapphire
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oh, I'm talking laptops here

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haven't considered desktop PCs

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yeah I guess my mouse needs type A

sand goblet
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I hate touchpads and laptop keyboards haha

rough sapphire
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i use the nipple ๐Ÿ˜ˆ

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and the thinkpad keyboard is pretty good as far as laptop keyboards go, imo

sand goblet
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Lol, whenever someone mentions the nipple mouse all I can think of is a version of the mac touchpad tutorial

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Where someone edited the video to replace the touchpad with a female breast

rough sapphire
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๐Ÿ‘€

sand goblet
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Was pretty funny, but also super old now

undone berry
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C ports are still kinda useless though There are peripherals of every kind that support usb-C now. But I get the point of not wanting to have to rebuy stuff or rely on dongles

sand reef
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^ conversion gonna be a huuuge hassle

undone berry
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My current PC/Mobo only has 2 USB-Cs which is a bit annoying

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if it had more, I could just slowly switch as things die

sand reef
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Weird how so many laptop makers just include max 4 usbc

undone berry
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I guess the smaller size is relevant for thing+lights

sand reef
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not for usability, seems

rough sapphire
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@rough sapphire

macs are better than other pcs
If you count the thunderbolt spec with DMA and the mouse with the charging port on the bottom which makes it useless while charging "better", sure.

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I was gonna bring up firewire too, but that hasn't been a thing on newer computers.

undone berry
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tbf, that mouse is utter trash, but you can just use a normal usb mouse as well

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not only is the charging thing annoying, its just unpleasant to use

rough sapphire
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Oh certainly, but it doesn't change Apple's planned obsolescence approach to most anything.

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that's nice of Apple, encouraging you to take breaks from being on the computer for too long

sand reef
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Every few years, yeah

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And you get to pay them for the service! nice!

undone berry
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Mac's are surprisingly long-lasting. But if they do break its impossible to fix them

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there are still 2012 macbook's kicking around that are pretty pleasant to use

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vs any other laptop from 2012

sand reef
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*purposefully hard

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and expensive

rough sapphire
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I've never owned one, nor plan on ever owning one. The lack of any level of repair makes it a no go for me.

undone berry
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Yeah, thats understandable. I'd also never buy one, but I think they are over hated

rough sapphire
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Now, I've fixed some Macbooks for clients. But that's completely different.

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idk, I usually like my fans actually connected to my heatsinks

sand reef
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@undone berry would that be over hating? ^

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or just.. overheating?

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bad pun, sorry hehe

undone berry
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I dunno. My guess is their cooling is no worse than other thin+lights

gentle moss
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well they fucked up their thermal design more than once

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on macbooks and imacs

sand reef
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and didn't admit it

gentle moss
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or w/e theyre called now

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you can't wedge an i9 in such a tight space

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with pissy fans

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and expect it NOT to thermally throttle

rough sapphire
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"no worse"
they literally have a fan which isn't connected to a heatsink. it does NOTHING. it literally just makes noise

sand reef
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"they're not laptops, they're notebook computers"

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that's what they say when it get too hot on your lap

gentle moss
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there's a difference between too hot for your lap and too hot for the CPU to even operate properly

undone berry
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I find Luis Rossman's voice really annoying. But I'm gonna watch this video just to understand the problem

rough sapphire
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yeah I don't like him either, but he describes the problem well

sand reef
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he's got one heckuva sailor mouth but he knows his... stuff...

gentle moss
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i can see the issue from the thumbnail

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rofl

undone berry
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there are definitely thin+lights without fans that just rely on heatsinks. The macbook is doing the same, just with a random fan also in the laptop

sand reef
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Disappointing that the poor soul bought a useless fan along with a hot laptop though...

undone berry
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Also, that fan might be sat on top of another heatsink

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for some other component

sand reef
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Don't think that's how hardware positioning works, normally...

undone berry
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he probably did kill the laptop by using it intensively whilst it was sat on a pillow or something

sand reef
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That would've been a user-hostile design choice, wouldn't it be?

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Strange for a company so focused on ease-of-use...

gentle moss
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laptops aren't designed to be used on soft surfaces

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end of

undone berry
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They aren't focused on ease of use

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they're focused on sleek design

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with ease of use coming in second

gentle moss
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that's all laptops btw

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not just macs

sand reef
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I agree

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Still, for a company focused on "premium hardware" with sleek design, why include a useless fan?

sand goblet
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so they can blame the user for overheats

gentle moss
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eh, "useless" is subjective

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i suspect it does SOMETHING

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as useless as we'd see that

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:D

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maybe it helps the ambient in the case

undone berry
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I'm willing to accept that they might make poor choices

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but I have more faith in the most valuable company in the world's designers engineers

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than in some guy on youtube

sand goblet
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I don't

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But you're probably just holding it wrong, Charlie

gentle moss
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:D

sand goblet
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We're all holding this situation wrong

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We should be seeing the extra fan as a value-add, something they didn't have to put in there but decided to anyway

undone berry
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I don't get the holding it wrong thing - did Apple come out with that about something?

sand goblet
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yes

gentle moss
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iphone 4

sand goblet
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one of the iPhones completely lost coverage if you held it a certain way

gentle moss
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the outside metal frame was also the antennae

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2 actually

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one for phone signal and one for wifi i think

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and they were split by a tiny gap

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if your hands were sweaty you'd bridge them

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and drop your attenuation

sand reef
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Now they just have a bigger gap.

gentle moss
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their answer was "you're holding it wrong"

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:D

sand goblet
rough sapphire
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Also, the argument of "Well, everyone uses them so they must be good" is just the bandwagon fallacy.

sand goblet
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yup

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have you guys ever heard of jabra?

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sounds like a pokemon, right?

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they make the best wireless earbuds I've ever used and literally nobody has heard of them

undone berry
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I'm not saying they must be good. I'm just saying something like the internal design which is very much an engineering challenge that is very measurable (not a design choice like with the antennae hting), they can probably get it reasonably right

gentle moss
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i saw them advertised on a youtube channel recently

rough sapphire
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@undone berry That doesn't exactly instill confidence though

gentle moss
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i think the easiest way to see if the fan does anything is to run the macbook without the fan

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and compare it

sand reef
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@sand goblet , really? what model?

gentle moss
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setup two, one with and one without, throw prime 95 on it and see which one burns out first

undone berry
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I think they might do a lot of b2b stuff - Jabra that is

rough sapphire
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I would certainly hope a company valued at over a billion dollars can properly engineer a phone**, let alone anything else** ๐Ÿ˜„

sand goblet
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I'm not sure, let me check

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Elite Active 65t

gentle moss
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especially since they were the "pioneers" of "modern phones" scott

sand goblet
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I love the hear-through feature, so good

undone berry
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which is what sells headphones

gentle moss
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they fucked up by not at least putting a coating on the metal bands

sand goblet
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I wouldn't say that's necessarily what sells headphones

sand reef
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Ooh, I've tried a few of their products, didn't seem too mindblowing to me

undone berry
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I think for the most part it is

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skullcandy for example are rubbish, but sell well

sand goblet
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Hey man

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When I need new earbuds

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I go to argos

rough sapphire
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@undone berry Brand? Like how Beats will put metal that does nothing but weigh down the product for that "premium" feel?

sand goblet
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type earbuds into the search console

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see what comes up

undone berry
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Yeah, like that exactly

sand reef
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What's argos? @sand goblet

undone berry
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Greek city

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renowned for their audiophile culture

rough sapphire
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Beats, Skullcandy, and Bose are trash-tier headphones/speakers. Marketing has made a mockery of the headphones space.

undone berry
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(really its a retailer in the UK and I assume Ireland)

gentle moss
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Bose didn't used to be trash tier

sand reef
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Thanks, @undone berry , no /s detected here

gentle moss
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they have a long rich history of making excellent sound systems

undone berry
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Whenever I buy new audio stuff, I try to ask audiophile friends for recommendations. And everything I try manages to be at least slightly uncomfortable

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for head/earphones

gentle moss
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audiophiles tend to be delusional <_<

rough sapphire
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@gentle moss Sure, but It's very much why I'm not brand loyal to most anything. There's very few things I'll stand behind 100%

undone berry
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Well, the last person I asked had a sound engineering degree

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so I had faith in him

gentle moss
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Sennhesier have always been solid to me Scott

undone berry
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but hobbyist audiophiles definitely seem deluded

rough sapphire
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I've had good/bad Sennheiser. Depends on the product.

gentle moss
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i've had maybe 3-4 pairs from the top end of their ranges and not been disappointed

undone berry
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In terms of tech, the only brand I'm remotely loyal to is AMD

rough sapphire
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I mean, if you're getting top end, that's a different story.

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I'd hope those were good.

gentle moss
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if you're gonna wear headphones for ages you want some good ones

rough sapphire
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I'm just not the type to spend $500+ on a pair of headphones.

gentle moss
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i'll top out at maybe ยฃ200

rough sapphire
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Oh, that's not top tier then ๐Ÿ˜„

gentle moss
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pfft, it's top enough

rough sapphire
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That's a good mid-range

gentle moss
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i think beyond that price point you're not really gaining anything

undone berry
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I'd be interested in some expensiveish wireless headphones

gentle moss
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on the AMD front, i wouldn't say i'm loyal to them, but i do like them more than nvidia and intel

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they haven't been massive dicks over 2 decades

sand reef
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Sony? @undone berry

undone berry
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Well, I'd always choose them over their competitors even if its a slightly worse value proposition

rough sapphire
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@gentle moss Such a low bar, though. lemon_fingerguns_shades

gentle moss
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:D

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AMD does very good bang for buck

undone berry
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the thing with headphones is, they need to be comfortable with glasses. And I find most slightly uncomfortable

gentle moss
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and being a broke ass broke ass, that suits me fine

sand reef
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Ooh, with glasses?

undone berry
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On the CPU front yes, not sure about the GPU fron though

gentle moss
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i got an R9 380 for like ยฃ160 and at the time it was excellent

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still handles most things i want to play

undone berry
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I have no reason to buy any new hardware

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so I don't really have to think about it for a few years

gentle moss
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that tipping point is approaching for my pc :(

undone berry
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but when I was looking, a gtx970 seemed the best value/ยฃ for my price range

sand goblet
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at home I use a HyperX Cloud headset at my desk

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otherwise it's my jabras

undone berry
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I refuse to buy anything gamer branded

sand goblet
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well then you're missing out

undone berry
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I doubt it, my current headphones are pretty great

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except for the wire

sand goblet
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Do they have an excessively clear mic?

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and a braided cable?

undone berry
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I have a desk mic

sand goblet
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and a ton of cable adapters?

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yeah, I too use a desk mic

undone berry
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And they have a removable cable with tonnes of options yeah

sand goblet
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that's the headset I used before I had one

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but I still use it for jackbox to avoid the echo

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just for listening though

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I take it you're using some Blue mic?

undone berry
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Yeah, a blue snowball

sand goblet
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Yeah, same

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good shit

undone berry
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Yup, its about as good as anything I could want for that price range

sand goblet
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I got the shockmount and stuck it on an arm as well

undone berry
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I've got it on a cheap arm

sand goblet
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ain't nobody hear me typin'

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well I do also use a noise gate but yknow

undone berry
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I move about too much for me to be able to find a good setup where it picks up my voice and not my keyboard

sand goblet
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Get a noise gate

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that's what I use

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basic but it does the job

undone berry
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I'll try it out

sand goblet
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hmm

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mikrotik switch from amazon hasn't been delivered

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it's been like 3 weeks

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that ain't right

rough sapphire
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speaking of which, I got 2 mikrotik certs recently

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one on Thursday and one on Friday

sand goblet
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How do you like their stuff?

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I have one of their 24-port switches at home but I kinda want to replace it with ubiquiti gear

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which would also mean replacing the google wifi

gentle moss
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the ubiquiti stuff is noice

sand goblet
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I can't convince the parents of the upsides of it though

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they're happy with the occasional unreliability

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despite how loudly they complain about it

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users, man

gentle moss
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what's the reliability problem with the switch?

sand goblet
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Occasionally it crashes and has to be power cycled

gentle moss
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that's... shit.

sand goblet
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It hasn't happened in months now though

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maybe an update fixed it

gentle moss
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is it an L3 Managed?

sand goblet
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It's a managed switch, yeah

gentle moss
#

we use TP-Link across the business park and have never had reliability issues with any of it

rough sapphire
#

tp-link... shudders

sand goblet
#

mikrotik are cheap and cheerful

gentle moss
#

cheap and pretty damn reliable

sand goblet
#

I have no idea how they can be that cheap

#

we have a 24 port gigabit switch with two spf+ ports and it cost us.. what.. 100 euro?

gentle moss
#

yeah, TP-Links are about the same tbh

#

plus you get free chinese spyware!

#

jks, they're fine.

sand goblet
#

haha

#

and then you look at the same spec in cisco hardware and it's like 2000 euro because of the support contract

#

hnng

gentle moss
#

that's how they getcha

sand goblet
#

that's how we getcha

gentle moss
#

<_<

#

it's the reason we use netgate appliances over cisco

sand goblet
#

what, you're not just fucking the cleric?

#

:>

#

anyway, yeah, I dunno

#

I like the switch, it's more or less been great, and I don't recall having to power cycle it for a long time

#

but I did have to do it every couple of weeks when we first got it

#

@real dove you okay there buddy

real dove
#

Yes, just been doing that lately

sand goblet
#

it's pretty obnoxious

real dove
#

Sorry

#

It's fun

gentle moss
#

i go to poop and miss all the action, damn.

sand reef
#

Not alone in that lol

sand goblet
#

I'd rather be alone in that tbh

#

it's not much of a group activity

clear plume
#

^

#

I like being alone

#

Cuz like

#

No one can hate on me

#

Oh shoot

undone berry
#

not true for me

clear plume
#

Here comes the guy who was bullying me

#

Fuck

#

Gtg

autumn herald
#

what, you're not just fucking the cleric?

#

is there a meme around this @sand goblet

sand goblet
#

Oglaf

#

(NSFW comic)

autumn herald
#

seen it in some comic recently and i was wondering if there a ref

#

ah yeah

gentle moss
#

oglaf full of laff

real dove
#

I'm back

#

What's happening?

undone berry
#

I really wish there were more good, single-player, campaign based FPS games

solid pollen
#

I loved Control, which is a good, single player, campaign based FPS game ๐Ÿ˜ this game isn't for everyone though

undone berry
#

Is it oriented around shooting, or around puzzles/something-else?

#

Oh, its not even out yet

plucky ridge
#

@solid pollen What? Control isn't first person

#

And it's been out for a while

solid pollen
#

Okay

plucky ridge
#

It's just the two DLC's that aren't out yet

undone berry
#

not on the only platform that matters

solid pollen
#

Hmm

#

I need some coffee?

plucky ridge
#

......Blackberry?

undone berry
#

PC

solid pollen
#

Anyway, it is an awesome game

undone berry
#

its listed on steam as coming aug 2020

plucky ridge
#

Ah, gotcha

#

It's absolutely worth playing when it comes out

solid pollen
#

Epic Games Store baby!

plucky ridge
#

No

solid pollen
#

Why not

#

What do you all have against the EGS

plucky ridge
#

Because I haven't used my PC in like

#

Forever

solid pollen
#

Ah OK fair

undone berry
#

Is it actually on the EGS?

solid pollen
#

Yes!

plucky ridge
#

I'm a PS4 junkie

undone berry
#

ยฃ47.99 - now I remember why I don't buy new games

solid pollen
#

RIP Ray tracing

#

It is totally worth it

undone berry
#

I'll just play through Doom again

plucky ridge
#

Oh god

#

DOOM Eternal

#

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaant

#

There are so many good games coming out this year

#

It's been a long time since I've gotten this excited about new games

#

Looooooong long time

undone berry
#

Thats what kicked off my interest in FPS games recently

#

played through cod MW1/2 which was pretty fun

gusty oar
#

yey!

rough sapphire
#

Yeyyy

gentle moss
#

@undone berry they're a bit older but what about MoHAA and the likes?

#

Medal of Honour series was pretty good iirc

undone berry
#

Ps2 era games too old for me. But you did somehow remind me that battlefield exists

plucky ridge
#

Do you prefer the more realistic style ones or do you not have a preference?

gentle moss
#

i played it on PC tbh

#

didn't realise it was on PS2

undone berry
#

Doom, Modern Warfare games, Bioshock games are all stuff I've enjoyed. Just anything where shooting someone feels satisfying

gentle moss
#

tried the new Wolfs?

undone berry
#

Thats another good shout. I own it but never played it

#

oh wait - I remember why

#

it ran like shit for me

gentle moss
#

not had a new GPU since then?

undone berry
#

Nope, same 970. Problem was screen tearing

gentle moss
#

tried messing with the settings?

undone berry
#

I did a bit at the time, but will reinstall it

plucky ridge
#

Titanfall 2's campaign is great

#

Painkiller is amazing

#

Shadow Warrior (the new one) is great

#

Hmm

gentle moss
#

painkiller is great fun

#

and it's got many satisfying guns

plucky ridge
#

Serious Sam is great

undone berry
#

A lot of those older games end up with running around looking for the next room - is that a thing in Painkiller?

#

drives me insane

plucky ridge
#

Eh, it is on some levels

#

But only if you're looking for secrets generally

gentle moss
#

it's pathed pretty well

plucky ridge
#

You have a stake launcher that can pin enemies to walls

#

Need I say more

gentle moss
#

it's a dream

neat cradle
#

@solid pollen here?

solid pollen
#

Yep

#

The Playlist is in the description, I can't share it on mobile for some reason, because it is a learning Playlist

neat cradle
#

okay

solid pollen
#

And yeah, if you apply a solidify modifier you should be able to create an actual tube from only the middle of this tube

neat cradle
#

@solid pollen so, as far as I get it, I need to create a bunch of vertexes which form the tube, then connect vertexes into faces, and apply solidify modifier?

solid pollen
#

Yep!

rough sapphire
#

you guys ever heard that burp that cause pain in your throat , that so hurty burp.

plucky ridge
#

Yeah I've had that a couple times

#

Normally it's sneezes that do that to me, though

#

Like I'm smacking my brain against my skull

gentle moss
#

i have exceptionally loud sneezes

#

like a full on "AAAAAAAAAAAAH-CHOOO"

rough sapphire
verbal rivet
#

Does anyone here know a good linux help server?

plucky ridge
#

@gentle moss Funny you mention that

#

I actually have something called Achoo syndrome

#

When I step out into bright light, I do tend to sneeze twice

#

It's something to do with a temporary photo sensitivity when you go from indoors to out

undone berry
#

If you turned the lights off, then after 10 minutes stared into a bright lamp, could you manually trigger it?

verbal rivet
#

What happens when you stand under a strobe ๐Ÿ‘€

plucky ridge
#

Doesn't seem to. It's specifically sunlight. Has to be a certain intensity I think. I'm genuinely unsure

gentle moss
#

sometimes i get sunsneezes

#

but it's not a consistent thing

undone berry
#

Autosomal Compelling Helio-Ophthalmic Outburst (ACHOO) syndrome I love these backformed initialisms

verbal rivet
#

I believe they might be called retronyms?

undone berry
#

where someone starts with a word and just jams it into an initialism

#

I don't think so

verbal rivet
#

Nope im very wrong

undone berry
#

they seem slightly idfferent

verbal rivet
#

huh

#

i remember reading about a name for those somewhere

#

oh well

plucky ridge
#

Yeah I know there's a word for it, but it's escaping me

verbal rivet
#

are we allowed to ask about different servers in here btw

plucky ridge
#

Here in off-topic yeah

#

What do you need?

undone berry
#

No. This is the only server that ever has been, is, or will be

verbal rivet
#

A linux help server

#

apologies my lord

plucky ridge
#

Well we do have a #unix channel that covers Linux. What distro specifically?

verbal rivet
#

Or just a general linux server

#

ah right

#

ubuntu

#

Ffs mobile

plucky ridge
verbal rivet
#

๐Ÿ‘ thanks

plucky ridge
#

Happy to help

vestal briar
#

Sometimes it's fun to see medical terms trying to disguise something

glacial owl
#

I think there was a latin sounding term that means "he got better by himself and we have no idea why"

neat cradle
#

@solid pollen okay I got a bit lost kek

#

so I have the code to generate vertexes in the middle but idk how to move them from there

#

like because it is a spiral

#

ยฏ_(ใƒ„)_/ยฏ

real dove
#

I did this

#

...

#

Didn't really turn out that great...

#

(i didn't finish btw)

cerulean blaze
#

Anyone here in FinTech that did CFA and wanna share their experience of it?

surreal moss
#

@real dove keep on going until you finish it! :) its worth it once you have something fully finished at the end

bleak lintel
#

@real dove when I got into blender I did the donut and honestly mine was atrocious, I'm probably a year or so on and can make things which I'd describe as semi-decent renders now, keep on going dude, blender is awesome

#

(though yes, it is primarily for shitposting)

#

that second one is better than I remembered actually

surreal moss
#

luxcore is hot

bleak lintel
#

I'm pretty atrocious with sculpting, which limits me quite often

#

the best I've ever done is probably the ears on the second thing I posted lol

surreal moss
#

my sculpting is acceptable but certainly not good

glacial owl
#

Cool! If not for comments, that could be mistaken for a photo

rough sapphire
#

wow..sentdex is online

#

corey schafer too

#

is there some event going on

#

๐Ÿ˜ฎ

real dove
rough sapphire
#
sudo pip uninstall disputils
[sudo] password for ag: 
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/home/ag/.local/bin/pip", line 5, in <module>
    from pip._internal.cli.main import main
ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'pip._internal.cli.main'
#

can't do shit

#

ty pip

real dove
#

Can't you delete it manually @rough sapphire ?

rough sapphire
#

ahh just used python -m pip
and worked

rough sapphire
gentle moss
#

i don't really leave the house

oak tangle
#

ah, it's intentionally-awkward zoom-ins and cuts youtube bass guy

sand goblet
#

The Atlantic being sensationalist for clicks? Never!

#

I guess it's true if you live in Italy though

#

Where some dumbass is spreading it and hasn't called their doctor

undone berry
#

Are there any internet only news sites that aren't predominantly clickbait?

#

or that don't have a pretty narrow agenda

sand goblet
#

The Register is okay

#

Ars is okay

#

Not sure about news-news though, those are tech

undone berry
#

ars as in ars technica?

sand goblet
#

yeah, it isn't very unbiased but most of the content is neutral

vague iris
#

Anyone knows like free ways of advertising videos [youtube channel]

undone berry
#

Related subreddits, related twitterspheres possibly

vague iris
#

Ok thnks ..

#

I will check them out

undone berry
#

Related there isn't a proper noun - I mean subreddits/twitterspheres that are related to the video you're making

real dove
#

e

clear plume
#

a

#

Boo

#

U screwed it up

sand goblet
clear plume
#

Guys what do I do about the bully?

sand goblet
#

Report, wait

#

Get family involved if nothing

#

Get police involved if nothing

clear plume
#

Hmm

#

Katy

#

*k ty

gusty oar
#

hey @sand goblet , where did the computer go dancing?

sand goblet
#

what?

gusty oar
#

The disc-o

sand goblet
#

you did not need to ping me for that

gusty oar
#

oh okay ๐Ÿ˜„

rough sapphire
#

@sand goblet hi

sand goblet
#

Yep, you didn't need to ping me either.

rough sapphire
#

:/

#

was just saying hi

sand goblet
#

By pinging me directly after I asked someone else not to ping me over inane stuff

#

a likely story haha

rough sapphire
#

didnt read

#

that

#

hahah

#

@sand goblet turn off pings then man

#

people try and be nice with you

#

asking you questions and stuff no need to be a dick to them

sand goblet
#

I'm not going to disable mentions, no

rough sapphire
#

asking you questions and stuff no need to be a dick to them
@rough sapphire I want you to think over this again.

#

what is there to think about?

#

idk man in my country if someone says hi and you dont say hi back its extremely rude

#

unnecessary pings while doing something productive ruins it .

#

thats why you put pings off

#

lol

#

like me

#

You can just say
Hi gdude

sand goblet
#

Except sometimes people do need to mention me

plucky ridge
#

Because not all pings are without purpose

#

I'd suggest this gets dropped and we move on

rough sapphire
#

ok

#

goed zo

#

g you know that song
hey jude

terse sluice
#

hey jude is a great song

rough sapphire
#

I love John lenon
specially Stand by me by him

#

yes he is good

#

90s sitcoms make me depressed especially friend

#

friends

gentle moss
#

everyone in frends is an awful person

#

i would not want to be friends with any of them

undone berry
#

practically no one in any US sitcom would I want to be friends with

plucky ridge
#

Chandler isn't too bad

gentle moss
#

hang on, i'm trying to think of one

sand goblet
#

The guy from Home Improvement whose face you never see

gentle moss
#

Wilson

#

yeah, he's pretty wise and not a dick

undone berry
#

tbf, I've only seen modern sitcoms - and then Friends+Frasier

gentle moss
#

oh god Frasier

undone berry
#

the character or the show?

gentle moss
#

the show

undone berry
#

I don't mind the show

gentle moss
#

oh i'm speaking in context of friends to find in sitcoms

undone berry
#

I dunno - I watched it when I was younger just because my mum had it on fairly often

#

I find it difficult to dislike

gentle moss
#

i'm even trying to think of some british sitcoms

undone berry
#

that you enjoy or that have characters which you'd want to be friends with?

gentle moss
#

oh the friends thing

#

hey AG, we're having a conversation about stuff

#

Sir Humphrey from Yes Minister

#

actually never mind

#

he's a bit of a stuck up twat

#

the Vicar from the Vicar of Dibley?

#

i suppose the thing that makes the characters useful in the sitcom is that they have glaring flaws, else they'd be a bit boring.

undone berry
#

Yeah, thats true, but I feel like US sitcoms still portray them as fundamentally nice people, but UK stuff just portrays people as outright pricks

#

Like, if there was a US fawlty towers, they'd try and make Fawlty seem likable somehow

gentle moss
#

i suppose that's because we prefer that sort of thing

#

americans are weirdly positive and want that reflected in their TV

undone berry
#

yeah. I've never watched a US sitcom where I haven't gotten sick of the characters fairly quickly

gentle moss
#

i think one of the glaring examples is the office vs the office

undone berry
#

I've never actually watched either

gentle moss
#

i've seen enough and don't like either

#

but the approaches to comedy is vastly different

undone berry
#

Just seeing the US version creep into other things as jokes/memes is enough to make me dislike it

#

Definitely, but I think US people can generally appreciate British humour. But the reverse isn't true, a lot of US comedy just falls flat here

gentle moss
#

yeah, because we're generally a pessimistic people

#

and optimism pisses us off

undone berry
#

True, whereas an optimist can probably take a bit of pessimism in their stride

gentle moss
#

if someone tells me to have a great day my brain automatically leaps to "piss off" as an internal response

#

no matter how good my day has been

undone berry
#

Even just reading it, I imagine that in an annoying American accent

gentle moss
#

it's why the humanisation of this irritating shitbox in my living room drives me up the wall

#

home assistants should be cold and distant

undone berry
#

I didn't even think about it til now, but just the extra time Google/Alexa spend on pleasantries like sorry is annoying as shit

gentle moss
#

yeah, it's not sorry.

#

it's a fucking robot

#

and speaking of americans

#

it was one of the most unsettling things in my trip to new york

#

just how friggin nice people were

rough sapphire
#

NYC is considered one of the most rude cities

gentle moss
#

not just service staff either

#

yeah, i know

#

says something about the UK eh?

#

:P

rough sapphire
#

lol you said it not me

undone berry
#

Apparently cities in the north, and places like Glasgow are really friendly in the UK

gentle moss
#

they're welcoming i guess

tulip palm
#

yes hello

#

apparently the accents up here sound friendly but i just can't imagine how

#

i've heard a man shouting in a street with a hard mix of geordie and glaswegian and it sounded terrifying and hilarious at the same time.

undone berry
#

No. Birmingham accents sound friendly, scouse accents have associations of being unfriendly, untrustworthy, and not smart. Newcastle accents are just seen as not smart iirc

#

gotta get use out of a level english language somehow

#

I don't actually remember general York accents

#

so you might be right about those

#

Scottish accents were seen as trustworthy

tulip palm
#

i'm close to newcastle and i agree, we all sound like we're thick as shit

gentle moss
#

"sound like"

#

<_<

#

like sound like or like sound like like?

undone berry
#

Geordie accents are the most annoying accents I think

#

beyond California girl vocal fry

tulip palm
#

for some reason i don't mind hearing the geordie accent but i don't like it too much when i hear it recorded

undone berry
#

I really like Welsh and Scottish accents. Dislike most other regional accents

tulip palm
#

hey @gentle moss would you say i've got much of a geordie accent at all?

gentle moss
#

too soft

tulip palm
#

yeah thought so

gentle moss
#

i do wonder what noise comes out when you get drunk though

tulip palm
#

haha, not happening.

gentle moss
#

i've met a few northerners who are perfectly reasonable sober

#

get too many drinks in them and they go haaaaaard north

tulip palm
#

i know it would be very north though

#

because it took conscious effort to get my accent to be like this, and if i don't have the mental capacity to hold it back, it'll just go all out :D

gentle moss
#

my ex did that

#

she was from newcastle

tulip palm
#

oh you've mentioned her a few times

#

jolly good :D

gentle moss
#

and yeah, when she was angry or drunk it all came flooding out

#

just north, north everywhere

tulip palm
#

i love it

#

i still can't pin my accent on a single location though, all i know is that it's "somewhere near scotland perhaps?"

gentle moss
#

if you're hiding the truth you're never going to have a real regional accent

#

<_<

tulip palm
#

i would never want to :D

gentle moss
#

put on a bawwwston accent to really confuse people

plucky ridge
#

"He's naht gettin' that cah in there."

gentle moss
#

"i'm nawwwt a cwwaaaahp"

#

that's all i've got for boston based movie quotes

#

i know they faahkkin swear a faahkin lot

tulip palm
#

so do i

#

and if this wasn't pydis you know the next word i would say

gentle moss
#

too soft to swear properly

#

smh juan

undone berry
#

I feel like everyone says they swear a lot

tulip palm
#

bisk i know how to make a harsh "u" for the c and the nt to fit around

gentle moss
#

the OONT

tulip palm
#

yeah, precisely

gentle moss
#

that's a very northern version of it, true

tulip palm
#

indeed it is. i put it to use commonly, so of course i'm going to say it properly.

gentle moss
#

oof, can't take ownership of that word

#

i think it belongs to women

tulip palm
#

i don't take ownership, i just borrow it frequently.

gentle moss
#

<_<

#

_>

#

wish my gf would lend me hers more often

#

cheap joke of the day

#

\o/

tulip palm
#

haha

plucky ridge
#

OONT?

#

Honestly all that makes me think of is a night club

#

OONTSOONTSOONTSOONTS

tulip palm
#

of course it does :D

rough sapphire
#

interesting

#

the arch mirror i used hasn't updated discord since 0.0.9-5

#

but i knew that version wasn't the latest, so i looked my mirror's package list up

sand goblet
#

that's unusual, that an arch mirror is out of date

rough sapphire
#

interestingly, that (and electron) were the only packages which were outdated

#

everything else was up to date

#

i have no idea why this would happen

sand goblet
#

perhaps the org that runs it just hates discord

#

haha

rough sapphire
sand goblet
#

brilliant

rough sapphire
#

๐Ÿคฆโ€โ™‚๏ธ

#

I'm thinking of running the first arch mirror in estonia once I get my gigabit connection

gentle moss
#

what's the price of a gig connection there?

rough sapphire
#

2 goats

#

I get it for 40 euros a month

#

symmetric ofc

#

what are the prices like around your parts @gentle moss?

gentle moss
#

impossible

#

like i'd have to get them to dig up about 10 miles of road

#

no, 15 miles

#

at best i can get 300/150 for something like ยฃ500 a month

rough sapphire
#

damn...

gentle moss
#

UK is way behind in infra

#

atm i'm on 80/40 and that costs ยฃ50p/m

rough sapphire
#

that really sucks

gentle moss
#

yeah, back in the 80's there was a bill or option put forward to parliament that would've invested shit loads in fibre

#

and parliament turned it down

#

because "the free market" will do it

rough sapphire
#

maybe there's no market

gentle moss
#

no, infrastructure is very much a government job

#

that includes the internet tubes

rough sapphire
#

Bruh

gentle moss
#

look at this handsome boy interrupting a conversation about national infrastructure

rough sapphire
#

Sorry didn't see any convo

gentle moss
#

if you leave infrastructure to the free market you end up with what's going on in the USA

rough sapphire
#

but... the USA is the land of freedom

gentle moss
#

dude

rough sapphire
#

@gentle moss oh wait u called me handsome

gentle moss
#

there's a conversation going on

rough sapphire
#

๐Ÿ˜ณ

#

sorry

#

but

#

blushes

#

uwu

gentle moss
#

anyway, the problem in the UK occured because parliament refused to fund expansion of fibre

#

while scandinavian countries were doing the same with government funding

#

so we have a massively stagnated internet infrastructure compared to a lot of europe

#

it's only now we're even starting to get FTTP

#

through.... government funding.

#

could've done it 30-40 years ago

#

it would've cost less over all

rough sapphire
#

USA USA

gentle moss
#

PAID PEERING

#

telco's who intentionally avoid competition in areas where there is market dominance by another telco

#

a.k.a. price fixing and monopoly

rough sapphire
#

telco isn't a very profitable business.. they avoid incurring costs wherever if they can manage it

#

look what happened to google fiber

gentle moss
#

that's a shit argument

rough sapphire
#

;p

gentle moss
#

the reason there's no competition is because the FCC is owned by the main telco's

rough sapphire
#

really.. I thought it was a federal agency

gentle moss
#

check out who has been the chair or on the board in the past 20 years

#

ex-lobbyists from telcos

#

check out how much money gets to senators / congresspeople from telcos

#

these are issues that don't seem to occur around the rest of the world

#

Verizon intentionally capped netflix traffic because "it takes up 30% of our bandwidth on-peak!"

#

like... what?

#

if you pay for internet you pay for the internet

rough sapphire
#

wow I remember this a.hole

gentle moss
#

not for privilege

rough sapphire
#

he opposed net neutrality

gentle moss
#

Ajit Pai?

rough sapphire
#

back during obama times

#

yeah

gentle moss
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yeah, he's in control now

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and he stripped net neutrality

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he worked for Verizon

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and now he's the chair of FCC

rough sapphire
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that figures..

gentle moss
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coincidence?

rough sapphire
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lol

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I see what you mean

gentle moss
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the "free market", as the republicans call it, has fucked US internet infrastructure

rough sapphire
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afaik they didn't have any plan to expand that via government funding in the first place.. they've always relied on private companies

gentle moss
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my internet bills are higher than @rough sapphire's, but they're about 1/4 of a US citizens

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plus i have more options of provider

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and that's exactly the problem tron.

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infrastructure as a whole is the governments purview

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not private industry

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private industry has not bothered in upgrading their aging infrastructure because they're after profit

undone berry
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Virgin are the only company that isn't operating on teh same infrastructure - every other company is just juggling costs and not real competition

gentle moss
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there's no profit in laying fibre to each house if they're already making bank off shit infra

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that's not true in reecent years Charlie

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but you're right. previously you had BT and Virgin

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then you've got ISP's renting BT cables and equipment, or going the LLU route

undone berry
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Who else is doing meaningful infra?

gentle moss
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in my local area there's a company called Gigaclear

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they've got their own fibre infra

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and are expanding it

undone berry
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Ah fair

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Its good that new companies are entering the market

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I don't like giving Virgin my money

gentle moss
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the market is slightly different now since there was government funding into laying fibre

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and that's why the scandinavian nations have great internet in general

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government investment in the infrastructure

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just as you'd invest in roads

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GIVE ME SOCIALISMS

plucky ridge
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Bran for everyone!

plucky ridge
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Or no wait

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Wrong fiber

gentle moss
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:D

undone berry
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I'm all for socialism

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even for the violent revolution kind

plucky ridge
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You say that until you have to be the one to fight

gentle moss
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i've got an axe.

plucky ridge
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That does not surprise me

gentle moss
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<_<

undone berry
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What do you have an axe for?

plucky ridge
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Rocking out

gentle moss
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chopping wood, duh

plucky ridge
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Oh and here I am thinking of the wrong thing

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Stupid double meanings

gentle moss
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:D

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i don't even have a fireplace

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my mum has one though and that's why i purchased it

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so when i moved out i took it with me

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now i just have an axe without a purpose

undone berry
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bah

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log splitting axes don't count

plucky ridge
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That somehow feels less exciting than a rebel without a cause

undone berry
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too fat

plucky ridge
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an axe without a purpose

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And what're you talking about too fat?

undone berry
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Log splitting axes have different heads than a traditional axe

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they get fatter

gentle moss
plucky ridge
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Yes, to separate the wood cut

gentle moss
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it was very much one of these

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i know the ones you're talking about

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they have a wide head, more like a sledgehammer with a blade

plucky ridge
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Yeeeaahhhhh pretty sure either one of those could cleave a skull regardless

gentle moss
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VIVA LA REVOLVING

undone berry
plucky ridge
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"Sire! The peasants are revolting!" "Yes I know that, but what are they DOING?"

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And you're telling me that doesn't scream practical weapon?

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Are you kidding?

undone berry
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I think

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it just doesn't look as intimidating

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as the kind Bisk posted

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It looks less classical

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although, tbf, I can imagine both of them being used by some big hairy Russian dude to murder the tsar

gentle moss
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damn

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i need to develop some hair

undone berry
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Ubuntu is a bit shit on my wqhd monitor (videos screentear, monitor just cuts to black sometimes) - is installing a different distro likely to fix that?

rough sapphire
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depends on the distro

undone berry
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Manjaro was what I was going to go for

rough sapphire
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if it's using a newer upstream kernel source, it might have integrated graphics fixes

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alternatively, use the intel-next kernel

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(assuming you're running intel)

undone berry
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nah, Ryzen

rough sapphire
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ah

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no clue then

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might be worth a shot, though

undone berry
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I'll try Manjaro, if that doesn't fix it, turn that drive back into movie storage

rough sapphire
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how to look cool while programming ?
type find in terminal

frosty berry
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type sl in terminal

rough sapphire
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bash: sl: command not found
gentle moss
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install sl

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you'll get a great

rough sapphire
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OMG i love it

gentle moss
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you're welcome AG

modern island
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Hey I've got some gold

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I am looking at this and like

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it actually adds some nice functionality

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luckily squash and merge exists haha

frosty berry
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one of the numerous reasons i prefer git to mercurial ๐Ÿ˜›

modern island
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hahaha

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Tried to be on the point and understandable

jagged fog
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so they made pr with commit names like that peterthink
and added some errors as well?

modern island
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Crosses are because well

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Coverage

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I really need to disable that haha

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@jagged fog I'll squash and merge so no problem anyway

jagged fog
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well ye but

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idk are they usual or new

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I mean that's kinda unprofessional