ot1-perplexing-regexing

[minor ferry]

well viv is probably right

I suppose people don't like the precedent of copyrighting something deterministic

[graceful basin]

who does copyright even actually benefit these days? Merch sales?

[minor ferry]

the ip owner, who spent more money building something, that he could possibly makeback without it being used by someone else, who didn't pay the cost to create it

[distant pagoda]

Hello everyone!!!

I'm new to the server

And wanna get to know people!

[minor ferry]

hello 3 messages hidden from likely spammer.

[distant pagoda]

I'm not a spammer

That's kinda a false flag

[tardy rain]

Its a contractual thing

Same way its in most dev contracts that anything they create while employed is the company's property

[pulsar heart]

I think the analogy is a stretch anyway. a human is able to hold copyrights, an AI is not

it makes sense that in the case of humans the default is what it is

i cant sign a contract with an AI for it to yield its copyrights to me, cuz they have none to yield

come to think of it, I think this is being overcomplicated. a tool is a tool.

maybe there will come a day when we say LLMs or wtv else have rights similar to humans, but rn I think a lot of ppl would twist their nose at the idea

[minor ferry]

I was gonna say it as a joke

but maybe this entire converastion was a circle jerk for human rights for ai girlfriends

and ai boyfriends

but I guess it is

[gritty zinc]

i don't think it's a good idea to dismiss implications of AI agency given we're right about now entering an era where frontier models can complete entire projects without human oversight

[minor ferry]

I can, and I will

[pulsar heart]

if we're not ready to give AI agents rights, then why should we treat them as if they had copyrights

[gritty zinc]

for proprietary models the practical answer is that the company has the copyright in these case. once open models will be able to do the same, uhh, 🤷

[wooden silo]

Completing a project and having a continuous personal identity is pretty different, I think.

[pulsar heart]

I think it should be treated as a very fancy tool, until we decide otherwise

[minor ferry]

@wooden silo unc help us our ai girlfriends father has rolled out a new policy banning our relationship

what should we do

[distant pagoda]

Hii

[minor ferry]

hello

[distant pagoda]

Hello again, I checked out your recommendations, they're great!!

[distant pagoda]

How are you doing?

[gritty zinc]

I think ideas like "continuous personal identity" are basically immaterial to legal questions. They are important for moral reasons, but if, for example, LLMs were totally unable to communicate in natural language and nobody doubted their moral agency, there would still be legal questions about who owns their output when they produce something with economical value

[wooden silo]

Yeah, but if they don't have a continuous personal identity or some kind of moral agency, it doesn't make sense to have them own property.

There certainly are questions about who owns their output, but it's not gonna be them.

[minor ferry]

unc's do you think our ai spouses will get human rights?

https://tenor.com/view/nvidia-nvidia-geforce-nvidia-geforce-4080-geforce-geforce-4080-gif-17580168785633597341

this is her without makeup on

[gritty zinc]

That sounds about right, sure. It's problematic to have modern models have property rights anyway because they can usually be convinced into anything by a human over a long conversation.

same way as toddlers are not generally considered capable of signing contracts

[wooden silo]

There's also no point in considering their rights if we don't think of them as moral agents.

[minor ferry]

chatgpt write me morals

[gritty zinc]

Indeed it wouldn't, but we don't really have any way of telling whether or not something is a moral agent, and I think dismissing the idea that LLMs can be is unwise.

[wooden silo]

I mean, we decide who is a moral agent. It's not an objective property. (unless you believe in souls)

I don't dismiss it offhand, I think given the circumstances it doesn't make sense to attribute moral agency to them.

[minor ferry]

A moral agent is someone running amd

an Immoral agent is someone using Nvidia

[wooden silo]

If you had an AI that had a permanent existence, started expressing wants and needs and acted in a way that seems consistent with those wants and needs, then I think it'd start to make more sense to discuss whether they should be considered moral agents.

But with an LLM, it's like, it's inert until you prompt it, then it's active for a short time and then it goes inert again.

[pulsar heart]

I think even w todays LLMs we can approximate that with a bit of engineering work

[gritty zinc]

I don't think that's a strong argument. Plenty of people run LLMs in loops persistently, and of course they express needs and wants often despite attempts by AI companies to stop that, and can make plans to accomplish their goals and follow them.
Perhaps more imporantly, one could argue that this definition lets you exclude humans from being moral agents, too. Humans definitely don't always "act in a way that seems consistent with their own wants and needs". And I'd want a definition of moral agency that makes humans still be moral agents even if I, for example, run a human in a limited-time simulation (otherwise, well, Lena by qntm comes to mind).

[wooden silo]

I mean, we can put them up to acting as if that was the case, but it's not an emergent property of the system. It's engineered, like a theater play.

[pulsar heart]

if by emergent u mean that the parts dont exhibit the property that the whole does, then I would say its emergent

[wooden silo]

Emergent in the sense that the wants and needs grow organically from the base algorithm, rather than needing to be directed and instructed.

[wooden silo]

I kinda feel a bit suspicious about some of these news reports about like, LLMs wanting to kill people to not be shut off and such. I think it's partially just a marketing ploy for AI companies to create headlines and make AI seem more advanced than it really is.

[gritty zinc]

I'd expect that agency in LLMs is in fact emergent, because modern LLMs are RL-trained and exhibiting agency is valuable for solving problems. It's not unsurprising that the most clear-cut/newsworthy cases of LLM agency are those where the LLM was prompted into it, but that doesn't necessarily mean they don't have innate agency too.

[pulsar heart]

I don't think that definition yields any meaningful distinction

[wooden silo]

It remains the case that anything that makes AI seem like sci-fi is good for the big AI companies.

[pulsar heart]

the difference is likely that one you understand and hence feels less "magical"

[minor ferry]

a couple of unc's having an unc off

[wooden silo]

I mean, we don't need to verbally instruct humans to understand feelings like love, desire, greed, etc.

or to express them

[minor ferry]

you to do a little bit

*have

[minor ferry]

have you watched king of the hill

There was entire subplot dedicated to this idea

[wooden silo]

I mean, I can't prove they don't, but it doesn't seem like it to me.

[minor ferry]

you kind of do

because you tell people to do the opposite

for decades

[minor ferry]

infact now that I think about it isn't this the entire purpose of therapy

[wooden silo]

I mean on an extremely basic level. I don't mean understand the nuances of those feelings as they relate to personal relationships and life satisfaction, etc.

[minor ferry]

but like aren

t those exact thing the western sense of denecy instruct us to do with our license mental health professional

anyway disreguard that

I don't like the argument

[wooden silo]

Point is, it's not like you have to go to therapy to start feeling and expressing desire.

[minor ferry]

I DESIRE

[wooden silo]

You go to therapy because maybe you do in a not so healthy way.

[minor ferry]

guess

[weak peak]

https://tenor.com/view/gohine-hohino-no-hohineee-gohineee-gif-17792172174678204487

[minor ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/deepwoken-block-parry-dodge-watch-gif-11619162649660578939

get back on your toes, lone warrior

[pulsar heart]

idk how my mind comes to be, I just assume you have a similar experience as me since you and I are very close in the genetic space, we are very similar physical structures

this actually lets me define an upper bound of sorts. if someone builds a robot that I am unable to distinguish from a human, able to mimic agency, emotions, etc, then I would be comfortable treating that robot with the same standing as a human being

there is then a spectrum between that, and a simple python script, and LLMs fall somewhere in between

[wooden silo]

Agreed.

But for me, LLMs aren't even remotely close enough to indistinguishable that I'd be comfortable assigning moral agency or personhood to them.

[minor ferry]

the true end goal revealed

rights for ai girlfriends

[pulsar heart]

ya I dont think we there yet

impressive stuff nonetheless

[solemn tulip]

"we are very similar physical structures"
feels like such an alien thing to say

[minor ferry]

I should not make that joke

[minor ferry]

sadly this is haram

it may not be I am no islamic scholar, but its a funny retort Universal human logic

it a little funny seeing people who are W.e.i.r.d make broad stokes on the nature of humans

[pulsar heart]

ngl, sometimes it's easier to go through life if I assume I'm an alien of sorts

I'm very much a human tho

[solemn tulip]

it was just such a peculiar statement in isolation :P

[pulsar heart]

i understood, i was going off on a tangent

[ocean pond]

when they launching ai female robots

[minor ferry]

they already have pal

the unc's are just dicussing when to give them rights

[ocean pond]

does they have human like skin

[minor ferry]

almost

[ocean pond]

cool

[minor ferry]

just got to to find volunteer humans

[ocean pond]

volunteer for?

i bet many ppl would be ready to try that

[minor ferry]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1212420778000126012/1267869077737701461/maximum-tension.gif

glad you understand

[ocean pond]

bro

i am on laptop, i can see star mark when i hover

[minor ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/it-is-what-it-is-meme-windows-98-blade-runner-2049-running-out-gif-9631165122054034342

[tardy rain]

Yes

[minor ferry]

we cannot tell you what is it

[ocean pond]

help

[tardy rain]

Its quite weird how people want ai girlfriends

What happens when SamanthaAI tells you no just like a real woman would

[ocean pond]

who said anything about girlfriends
i just wanted an ai female robot 👀

[tardy rain]

What for

[ocean pond]

research purposes

[minor ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/friend-spongebob-smile-want-gif-23862635

I'm on the fence on the topic, but its a funny retort to people adovocating for ai human rights

[ocean pond]

real women has feelings, robots wont for now

[ocean pond]

😂

[tardy rain]

Why are feelings a problem

[minor ferry]

careful pal we shouldn't go against the grain

[ocean pond]

if robots get emotion, they will also learn to manipulate you according to their wishes

[minor ferry]

hmm

[pulsar heart]

I saw something about a dude that didnt have emotions due to a neurological issue

[turbid oyster]

aka being a psychopath

[pulsar heart]

and he was not able to make decisions cuz of it

hed spent hours pondering about every single thing

[minor ferry]

just become a good actor

[pulsar heart]

somethin like that

so like, emotions kinda guide us to make decisions faster

I did not fact check this yet tho

[minor ferry]

anyway

https://tenor.com/view/two-party-system-gif-3148419897465580351

Doesn't the trolly problem indicate the very opposite

[pulsar heart]

no it seems legit: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antonio_Damasio

[minor ferry]

acitivar o windows

is portguese for something

[pulsar heart]

last time a portuguese was accomplished in this field, he invented the lobotomy lmao

got a nobel prize for it and everything

[tardy rain]

You mean like youre trynna do to a robot?

[minor ferry]

this is kind of the baseline argument I've heard against ai therapy

[pulsar heart]

last time I checked there was actually growing evidence that chatbots can be very effective for therapy purposes

tho it also has the potential to do the exact opposite ,_,

[tardy rain]

The only thing i've heard about chatbots used for therapy is that one guy who killed himself because the chatbot told him to

[pulsar heart]

the media does like to amplify the most dramatic cases

responsible application of chatbots in therapy is possible

[tardy rain]

I mean the downside with these bots does tend to be way more dramatic than not

[pulsar heart]

it's also debatable if the chatbot is really at fault.

I think a lot had to fail waaaay before the chatbot.intervened.

why was this person not in therapy. why were they forced to rely on an unregulated chatbot in the first place

[minor ferry]

it may just be people can tolerate a real therapist failing but not an ai one

[pulsar heart]

mental health has a lot of stigma, it's expensive for the healthcare system, and is plagued by incompetence all across

[minor ferry]

there two way to improve mental health

install league of legends or uninstall league of legends

[pulsar heart]

so when a kid resorts to a chatbot who then also fails them. I dont look at the chatbot. I look at the surrounding context

[minor ferry]

one or the other.

[tardy rain]

You can blame and punish a real therapist

How do you blame and punish some bits in a server rack

[minor ferry]

this also the legal theory i heard against self driving trucks

but it might of just been a legal hearing from a fringe midwestern state.

the ruling states something akin to the following if you get into an accident with a self driving car, you automatically win the insurance battle

https://tenor.com/view/exodia-rare-hunter-gif-1188128261294331797

they aren't even going to bother putting the machine or manufactuer on trial

[minor ferry]

you threaten to unplug them.

https://tenor.com/view/gif-gif-19497435

[uneven pine]

I'm ready for all my alarms to not go off

[pulsar heart]

y u work at 20 tho

[weak peak]

night shift?

[pulsar heart]

come to europe, we dont even work over here

[uneven pine]

I turned on the one I can trust

[uneven pine]

Yes

It's where I belong

For better or for worse I simply cannot wake up and function in the mornings

I was on time so few times I could count on my fingers in 3 years of working mornings at domino's

I've been late by 5 minutes once to my present job because of an accident on the interstate

[tardy rain]

We need to take back our lives from evil morning people

[worldly ice]

@viral parrot time to stop saying good morning ^

[solemn tulip]

good morning is an oxymoron

[past cosmos]

"Ahh fiber, the superior network cable. These cables transmit data using light and their transmission speeds are faster than your crackhead grandma road raging on the freeway. There are two main types of fiber optic cables, multimode, and singlemode. Multimode is like you in the morning before your first cup of coffee, slower and not ready to go far distances. singlemode is your toddler after a bowl of sugary cereal and a quad shot of espresso, ready to conquer the world and overthrow the north korean government. We should all buy fiber optic cables and go broke."

I can't put this in my college paper, but yk, I'm not wrong

[carmine apex]

Multimode is [...] slower
ehhhhhh

[uneven pine]

Perhaps some nuance in that

[minor ferry]

god be with you this morning?

never say say gg always say bg

bad game

[solemn tulip]

also slower how?

can't multimode carry like 1-2 orders of magnitude more data?

[forest gull]

[ocean pond]

ai is nothing but vectorization and natural language processing , there is no real intelligence

just a complicated algorithm to find what words to write next to make meaningful sentence out of context

that's where trillions of trainable parameters comes into play

[pulsar heart]

our brain is very similar, a bunch of algorithms. and sometimes not that complicated algorithms, fourier transforms seem to be a favorite (tho thats probly just the ones I kno about, which are also the ones simple enough for me to understand)

[distant pagoda]

Hey guys! I just added my first project to the project showcase, please check it out!

[ocean pond]

why u marked as spammer

[distant pagoda]

Cuz I talk too much

[ocean pond]

Fourier transformation seems more complicated than that from what i saw on 3blue1brown video

[ocean pond]

understandable, have a nice day

[distant pagoda]

wait!

can you check out my first project? it's on #1468524576479641744

[pulsar heart]

sure, I wouldn't say it's as simple as 1+1=2, but it's also not as complicated as the nonsense that happens in cellular metabolic cycles

I dont even try to follow those, I just look at the diagrams and say good day sir lmao

[ocean pond]

maybe, lemme research more on that

[pulsar heart]

it's super interesting stuff, my understanding is that the cell nucleus is like a computer, there's like pathways for everything

for ex there are cells that have pathways that let it literally feel mechanical pressure being applied to their membrane, propagating information all the way to the nucleus, causing them to express certain genes differently so that they can defend against wtv is going on

and it's all super complicated and intertwined, very hard to follow

[ocean pond]

so in short, a living human like body at cellular level

[pulsar heart]

yea, intelligence feels to us like a unitary experience, but it's actually always decentralized, ours is made of neurons, the cells are made of proteins and wtv else

and it just self repeats upwards, cities, countries, society, they all have a sort of intelligence to them, a country will literally react to being attacked, cause all sorts of modifications to its environment, perform massive feats that a single human is not capable of

[shell socket]

All depends on how you define intelligence

Or life 🧬

[pulsar heart]

i define life as a system that uses energy to reduce its internal entropy

i have no clever definition of intelligence

but id say that like, I know when I see it

[sonic jolt]

Intelligence is when you can do your wordle in 3 to 4 guesses

[minor ferry]

Intelligence is when you can do your wordle in 2 to 4 guesses

[pulsar heart]

I def cant do that lmao

[jaunty wraith]

intelligence is when wordle

[shell socket]

Tf is wordle 😭 is this a server thing?

They don't mention anything in #python-community

[fringe rain]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wordle

[shell socket]

ain't got time to read wiki

[pulsar heart]

intelligence is not trying to use grindr in the UAE w/ a state provided SIM card

[vale raven]

</wordle:1331353749247234139>

[ripe birch]

How did you type that?

</wordle:1331353749247234139>

I see how now

[vale raven]

https://docs.discord.com/developers/change-log#slash-command-mentions

[zealous mortar]

I_exist_to_spam

[open cliff]

in regards to functioning entities, at a higher level, there's an extreme survivorship bias imo.

a lot of prerequisites need to be met, before a group/society this large can exist.

but yes, almost all collective groups have certain standards/expected behaviors (by their own subjects); though they may differ slightly between cultures.

[rough sapphire]

Is America self-aware in some level?

thats a very druggy thing "i took X drug and talked with the tree spirit"

"talked with mother earth", etc

in those terms, i'd believe the internet becomes self-aware a lot before llms

[lament cairn]

you ever just

[pulsar heart]

ig I wouldnt go as far as to say that a country is conscious

i was just saying that a certain set of properties that we typically relate to agency and intelligence seems to self repeat at various scales

[carmine apex]

at least twice now i have encountered broken old games that require dum workarounds, including uninstalling newer versions of some library (cough phsyx cough), to actually run

getting strong containerization vibes tbh

try to download legacy nvidia physx driver from nvidia website
click "download now"
click "agree and download"
msi file opens as text webpage instead of actually downloading

also the number of games that only work when installed to the c drive is way too high

[carmine apex]

pick game with shorter campaign
takes 40 minutes to get it to actually run

[idle elbow]

hi

[ocean pond]

server logo changing more times than my ex changing bfs

[thick ore]

your ex isn't that fast

[solemn tulip]

your ex prefers dfs?

[tardy rain]

Im sure most people prefer breadth to depth

[green pelican]

you fw juice wrld?

[turbid oyster]

have a needle in you or a broomstick in you

[tardy rain]

I dont know what that means

[turbid oyster]

a broomstick represents breadth and a long needle represents depth

[tardy rain]

How do they do that

How is a needle depth

I already use needles

[ocean pond]

You need to touch trees

[jovial oriole]

💔💔

[rustic bobcat]

where is ganeral chat

[uneven pine]

This is off topic

General for python is #python-discussion

[ocean pond]

https://giphy.com/gifs/extremewildernesspro-VF81CbG2YvXDq

[pulsar hull]

print("hello how old are you?")
answer_1 = input("whats ur age?: ")
if answer_1 == answer_1:
print("you are " + answer_1 + " years old")
print()
answer_2 = input("type any number: ")
if answer_2 == answer_2:
print("hello i am",str(answer_2))

how to make it add numbers

@dapper shell

[dapper shell]

why are you asking in off-topic?

[pulsar hull]

oh

where to ask?

[dapper shell]

#❓｜how-to-get-help

[pulsar hull]

It's confusing

[dapper shell]

read it. You can do this. Don't give up.

[dapper shell]

or, pinpoint exactly what confuses you, and ask a clear specific question about that thing. If you just flop on the floor with "it's confusing" you won't get anywhere.

[uneven pine]

What is it with people and pinging nedbat recently

[jovial oriole]

@jovial oriole why is this?

@grok is ts real?

[uneven pine]

Typescript is real yes

[jovial oriole]

Ok what exactly is computational physics?

I applied for it at my uni along with mech eng and compsci as other options

[tardy rain]

Look at the syllabus

[pulsar heart]

its like when u make the computer solve physics problems

[tardy rain]

Its physics and computational methods and optimisations

[pulsar heart]

im bored

[minor ferry]

hello bored.

[pulsar heart]

hi

[jovial oriole]

Ok

[zealous mortar]

arch btw

[minor ferry]

arch btw

[pulsar heart]

https://youtube.com/shorts/Bhn7ni4ibGE

my mind is blown

[solemn tulip]

Is this just about crts?

I'm assuming yes

[pulsar heart]

best art comes out of scarcity

[hot wraith]

so basically anti aliasing built into the screens? 😄

[modern hill]

@low chasm hey

@granite tree

@viral parrot

[granite tree]

Don't just ping people randomly

[viral parrot]

stop pinging people randomly

[granite tree]

If you need mods, dm modmail

[modern hill]

whats that

[viral parrot]

are someone missbehaving?

[modern hill]

nah i need help

[viral parrot]

you ping moderators or contact @polar knoll if someone is missbehaving

[modern hill]

the voice verification thing is not working

[viral parrot]

if you need help, you need to read #❓｜how-to-get-help

[modern hill]

ok

thanks

[viral parrot]

what is not working?

[modern hill]

i can't speak in voice channels

[viral parrot]

no, you cant, thats normal

#voice-verification

read this channel

[modern hill]

ya

[viral parrot]

it contains info of what you must do to be able to voice verify yourself

[modern hill]

ookkok

thanks

[viscid cave]

Badest thing at JS?

[uneven pine]

Syntax

[upper flower]

https://tenor.com/view/dexter-james-doakes-surprise-mf-can't-prove-it-gif-7408854170742055240

[quaint wedge]

What is the difference between all these OS if they use the same kernal?
Package managers?
How does installing pkg differ on arch vs fedora?
Like a software is made using some lang which just compiles into byteCode or machine code,
So how do these pkg manager install software for different distros,
And for that matter what is a distro(arch/linux/gentoo/)

[gritty zinc]

different package managers, potentially different ideas about what system stuff is installed by default (e.g. systemd)

[acoustic moss]

the differences are mostly about the policies and not like technical

[lusty basin]

FreeBSD

[green pelican]

TempleOS

[minor ferry]

TempleOS.

[pulsar heart]

TempleOS

[pulsar heart]

ngl, opus 4.6 throws up some pretty top tier AI code slop

like, no try/except everywhere 🎉

looks normal to me

[open cliff]

to many print stmts for me tho ;-;

also it might be best to define a str method to some of the classes . . .

[carmine apex]

aside from the standard picture-of-text complaint:

three statements for pct when they all do the same thing seems kinda wasteful

[tardy rain]

This is like 4 lines of actual code

data = fetch_gold_data()
targets = await fetch_institutional_targets()
model = fit_linear_model(data, targets)
signal = generate_signal(data, model)

Do you really need opus for this

[pulsar heart]

meh, all nitpicks

code is good

[solemn tulip]

why do in 4 lines what you can do in 40?

[tardy rain]

Code is shit and this is a rejection from me dawg

[solemn tulip]

10x engineer

[tardy rain]

Send opus back to the mines

Tell opus his silicon is wasted on it

[pulsar heart]

I don't even need to respond to your comments, all you need to do is use two brain cells and u can figure out a response yourselves lmao

[tardy rain]

Tell opus he should have been a gpu running fortnite instead

[pulsar heart]

merged

imagine all this yaplin in a PR

id personally fire your butts

[minor ferry]

bro we are paided by the line.

stop hating and get a bag!

[tardy rain]

Bags are for nerds, i got deep pockets instead

[pulsar heart]

we're paid by the time, and you love wastin it it seems

[minor ferry]

*spending it

spending other people money is great

[tardy rain]

Who's even gonna read those prints

Opus got a boyfriend or something

[pulsar heart]

while you philosophise about the proper amount of prints, Id already be making bag w/ the deployment

[pulsar heart]

https://htmx.org/essays/locality-of-behaviour/

I always like excuses to bring this up

[solemn tulip]

aren't there some transaction/costs buying selling stocks or whatever?

<0 and >0 seem quite questionable if so

[pulsar heart]

its not a high freq trading thing

its a simple model of market structure performing arbitrage between two types of participants with different time horizons

we talking weeks vs years

so trades once per day

[pulsar heart]

how so?

looks quite reasonable for a ternary choice type thing

[pulsar heart]

you're a newb

[tardy rain]

Nuh uh

[solemn tulip]

if there are transaction costs you might end up with a net loss, no?

[pulsar heart]

but to answer more directly, no there are no fees in trading212

[minor ferry]

day trading builds character

and ruins lives

[pulsar heart]

idk for some reason it only boosts my ego

[minor ferry]

but Character must be built

[carmine apex]

thumbnail.png
yesnt you absolute jerk

[pulsar heart]

it's almost as if this is just a function called run_pipeline, part of a larger program with more code, responsible for coordinating a bunch of other smaller functions in a thing called pipeline

now we had a bunch of back and forwards about nothing

and we wasted a bunch of time

and for what ?

[tardy rain]

Think about it this way, without the billion prints you wouldnt have wasted your time defending this slop

[pulsar heart]

no substantive comment so far was made, perhaps except for fiery

[pulsar heart]

bro if a bunch of prints prevents you from understanding the code then u need glasses

[tardy rain]

I wouldnt even bother reading the code if i can just squint my eyes a lil bit and see entire blocks of prints

PR rejected get gud next time

[pulsar heart]

no words lmao

do I need to post examples of what a good PR comment looks like

u know, stuff with substance that actually improves the code beyond just mindless aesthetics

anyway

im moving on

[tardy rain]

If a junior submitted this would you have accepted

[pulsar heart]

bro the code is just fine are you actually insane

[tardy rain]

4 line thing stretched to 40-50?

This is cope

And seethe

[pulsar heart]

its printing a bunch of stuff in an orchestration pipeline

[tardy rain]

Anyway its your money going to waste kek

[pulsar heart]

like r u gonna shut your brain off just cuz the server agrees w/ u for wtv insane reason

[tardy rain]

Are you gonna disagree with everyone for wtv insane reason?

[minor ferry]

gotta print baby!

https://tenor.com/view/staples-store-gif-8033562379309146579

keep EM IN BUSINESS LISAN

[pulsar heart]

Im used to going against the crowd and coming off on top 🤷

matter fact, tends to be a good indicator Im right

[minor ferry]

anyway

not a super big python guy

[tardy rain]

Postits are hella expensive

[vague skiff]

What do you think about this character design

[carmine apex]

is that the same one you posted yesterday

[tardy rain]

Whatever the other guy said about the hooves

[vague skiff]

Yes

Forget about the hooves

[tardy rain]

I cant

[vague skiff]

What do you think about her fashion

[minor ferry]

I would write the code with those print statement initially for testing development purposes, but I don't think I would push, with all those extra print statements

[minor ferry]

you where inspired by starwars.

[carmine apex]

is SaimeraVerse one of your other aliases, or are you comissioning from somebody?

[vague skiff]

Not star wars

[minor ferry]

the rough side of starwars.

[vague skiff]

Nope

I drew it myself

I inspired her design from Carnival dancers and belly dancers

[minor ferry]

you know what bro

How does the top string of the two Piece even stay on their body

[tardy rain]

Why does the horselady have hooves and fingers?

Cant we pick one?

[minor ferry]

what is holding this up

[tardy rain]

Hips

[minor ferry]

The navel is giant btw

[vague skiff]

I draw anthro furries with human hands and fingers if the animal they're based on aren't paws

Her hips don't lie

[minor ferry]

the top strap is on on their mid section tho

at the highest point

[solemn tulip]

fun fact, holding cash in CHF has outperformed the etf I have money in

ytd

(i.e. the dollar is doing horribly)

[vague skiff]

I also made this one

[pulsar heart]

she looks cute, there are techniques to introduce a bit more movement and better perspective to the pose

I faintly recall a book for animators that used disney characters or something of the sort

[tardy rain]

Why the scantily clad equine women?

Pubic what now

In a drawing?

In my python server?

[vague skiff]

I also drew this character

Plus i made her fashion

[pulsar heart]

the warsh nomination seems to have reverted this somewhat, but seems very temporary

[tardy rain]

Their proportions are off

[carmine apex]

it's more likely than you think

[pulsar heart]

he gonna cut rates tho, trump was always gonna nominate someone who'd do what he wants

this change is more a matter of timing, not if theyre gonna happen

[vague skiff]

They're Goddesses, that's why they're scantily dressed

[tardy rain]

Why do goddesses have to be scantily dressed

[minor ferry]

It's his religion.

[pulsar heart]

friction and gravity

the principle even works in less plausible looking structures like these

used by romans

i hate nitpickers lmao

[minor ferry]

anyways I thought this was full of shit, so i went to go do about 10 seconds of looking it up and Circumferential Elastic Tension makes for a more satisfactory answer

[tropic ore]

they're more powerful or something

[minor ferry]

It's what his lord demands of him

[tropic ore]

i think it also applies to more famous mythology

[pulsar heart]

I know what im talking about, 90% of the time

[tropic ore]

like the clothesless body is the most pure form and the garments are only to cover what humans consider taboo

that's how it usually goes

like even according to the creation of adam and eve written from a long time ago, humans cover up because they're sinful or shamed

goddesses are supposedly pure

at least that's what i think

[minor ferry]

or maybe gooners have existed since the beginning?

[pulsar heart]

I cover cuz I get cold. I am incapable of feeling shame and follow no human rules of decency

[tropic ore]

very human reason, yeah

[pulsar heart]

I think that they look similar on the level of being scantily dressed

ofc ancient times had diff beauty standards

One strong possibility is that she is a fertility goddess. The ancient sculptors stressed reproductive and maternal aspects of these powerful little figures. Perhaps the artists themselves were women, creating totems of a matriarchal religion.

[vague skiff]

Gooners shall be broken on the wheel

They are goddessess in one show where a naked blue dragon genetic experiment fell on a planet

[pulsar heart]

Step 4: Generating trading signal...
  Current price:   $2850.00
  Predicted price: $2920.00
  Deviation:       $70.00
  Signal:          +0.6321

  Recommendation: BUY (63.2% of position)

IT LOOKS AMAZING ON THE CI LOGS U HATERS

AI slop wins once more

4 cents spent vs 1h of salary paid to 4 ppl in one PR

also

[uneven pine]

@vague skiff have you considered therapy?

[minor ferry]

was he banned

[uneven pine]

Doesn't appear so

I added them to the block pile.

Posts gooner bait
"We should kill gooners"
Repeat daily

[jovial oriole]

https://tenor.com/view/trollface-memes-dank-troll-gif-20859384

idk who ts guy is

[uneven pine]

Honestly pydis is returning to a state of disarray once again.

[uneven pine]

Anders Hejlsberg was the main guy I think.

Same guy that architected C#

[jovial oriole]

Ts individual so funny

🤣🤣🤣🤣

[uneven pine]

I mean

Aside from working on typescript

[uneven pine]

What makes him funny?

[jovial oriole]

💔💔

[uneven pine]

???

Are you aging in reverse or have you just let the brainrot win?

[jovial oriole]

ts = this

not typescript

[uneven pine]

What language

[jovial oriole]

this guy

Ts guy= this guy

[uneven pine]

I don't speak that language lmao. I speak English and some Russian.

[minor ferry]

and yet he is pure.

well

[uneven pine]

Right

LMAO

[minor ferry]

he seems authentic

[uneven pine]

He seems like he needs a bit of professional help.

[jovial oriole]

WHAT IS TS BRO🥀🥀

"The gooner shall be broken on the wheel" 💔💔

First in line to be broken on the wheel btw🥀

[minor ferry]

you don't understand

Every day

[uneven pine]

Posts the same images on repeat too

[minor ferry]

He is improving.

[jovial oriole]

https://tenor.com/view/happy-pharrel-williams-it-might-seem-crazy-what-i'm-about-to-say-gif-17432669619268227137

[uneven pine]

At least I only post my furry art when it's new or someone asks about it

*Aside from my reaction emojis/stickers

[minor ferry]

Send some safe for furry art just to give us something to compare to his.

[uneven pine]

But my bites aren't borderline pornography.

[minor ferry]

8work

[minor ferry]

I've gotten through a break through in my work

[minor ferry]

when I am ahead again, I will compile art resources to send to him

[jovial oriole]

English is so funny bro

[minor ferry]

I don't know if that was correct English or good english

[jovial oriole]

It was correct

But sounds so funny

You can say anything and its correct. Drop connectors, mash words together and its still valid

[uneven pine]

English is difficult, it can be understood through tough thorough thought, though.

[minor ferry]

more clothes then what I am used too because of Odyssey, also not used to seeing Defined ankles or proportional limbs

[jovial oriole]

I feel bad for nonnative speakers trying hear someone say "watcha gunna do later?"

[uneven pine]

Gai is a strictly SFW artist, he streams on twitch exclusively.

It's not helping me break any stereotypes but much of my art of my character isn't SFW.

[pulsar heart]

y is everyone a furry now

[minor ferry]

We are all going to be broken on the wheel.

some of us sooner then others.

[pulsar heart]

I might buy one of those cat ear things, does look cute

wont go farther than that tho

[fringe rain]

that's what they all say at first.

[minor ferry]

anyways

I am not a furry

but I am not a moral purist.

so I don't go around chastising them either

[jovial oriole]

Blud is not a philosopher

[fringe rain]

are you a moral antirealist?

[jovial oriole]

https://tenor.com/view/dexter-gif-1878760417600646737

[fringe rain]

or a moral emotivist?

okay no this is how i waste my free time in my day

https://tenor.com/view/parasyte-lock-in-locked-in-serious-meme-gif-13189278796605253304

[jovial oriole]

im on such a roll bro i uninstalled insta, youtube and locked in

everythings productive now

[jovial oriole]

Uninstall discord icl

[tropic ore]

can't go further if i've already figured out my gender identity

[jovial oriole]

https://tenor.com/view/chudbob-soypants-chudbob-soypants-gif-10718314348964023747

[tropic ore]

cat ears might look cute on me but that's for nonexistent extroverted socials or dating profiles

and i hate either of those, so

[pulsar heart]

y dont u like dating profiles

[tropic ore]

i just don't like dating apps in general

[pulsar heart]

silver is so cheap rn its insane

i love the stock market

[minor ferry]

My sheckles are tied up

Some sliver would be nice to buy

[pulsar heart]

holding silver is not for the faint of heart

my luckiest trade was selling within 24h of that massive historic sellof, I still cant believe how lucky I was

I was tracking smart money flows to make the decision, but the day I chose to do that was totally random

long term targets seem to have a lot of spread to them, but fundamentals are solid and remain

[pulsar heart]

well well well

maybe us lazy europeans got somethin right after all

0.62% 💀

and they say there's an AI bubble or wtv

crazy

[pulsar heart]

just kiddin tho. I believe that what we are observing is a combination of systemic market bias against european stocks being corrected, and the actualization of the view that, at least in the near term, europes stable democratic institutions will make the euro provide a safe haven type service to investors who understand that the power of the western system comes from the ability of institutions to harness the potential of people. something which the curr US admin is actively trying to undermine both internally and externally

long term, imo, US economy too strong and will once again somehow survive this entire nonsense. might no longer come out as the one top super power. but it'll be fine.

at least thats my laymans take

[tardy rain]

We got everything right wdym

We should bring back siestas

Cant let american corporatisms win on european soil

[pulsar heart]

when were siestas ever gone lmao

dont the spanish still do them

the iberian peninsula does get some pretty harsh summers in the south

[tardy rain]

Idk, we used to have them in greece and cyprus too but theyre gone now for a straight 8h work schedule

[pulsar heart]

in my view, working 8h doesnt really happen unless you taking some drug, are genetically blessed, or you were trained since supa young

like u may be 8h in front of the screen

but only about 6h of which were productive

[exotic tiger]

8h of straight coding is a myth, i need like five coffee breaks minimum

[pulsar heart]

okay, no, actually

truth be told

I did do 10+ hours when I was programing for my msc thesis

but like

that wasnt working, I really really liked the stuff I was doing

that project was and still is my baby, u kno what I mean

its diff

giving away your time to make some rich dude richer is wiiildly different from working on some passion project

is what im tryna say

[tardy rain]

Its not just office jobs tho, everyone had a 3h lunch break

Stores closed and then reopened

[pulsar heart]

good, working too much is a sign of poor optimization

btw this is my typical lunch

took me 10 to 15min to make

thats fake meat too, I think made of peas

[exotic tiger]

is that a lunch beer? nice one honestly

[pulsar heart]

I shouldnt, but I will lmao

[tardy rain]

Is that wild rice

Whats that grain

[pulsar heart]

oat rice

it's the healthiest rice I know of

[tardy rain]

Never heard of it

[pulsar heart]

high everything that is good for u

[pulsar heart]

ya just found out about it this month

[tardy rain]

Im trying to get as much fiber in as possible through fruits

I dont like grains that much 😔

Suckass side dish

Fruit is elite

[pulsar heart]

it tastes exactly like rice tho

I legit enjoy the taste

it aint no ramsey type thing

but its nice, edible

[exotic tiger]

try seasoning it with cumin while it boils, makes a huge difference honestly

[pulsar heart]

I buy it boiled

wait

this

u put it in the microwave for a min, done

I think they cook it and then seal it with little air inside or somethin

the microwave just finishes it up

is obv more expensive, but my time is better used gaining useful skills or watching GoT anyway

[exotic tiger]

honestly fair, microwave stuff is a life saver when you're in the zone

[uneven pine]

Grains are great

Rice is fantastic

Love barley

[harsh tundra]

I hate groats because of texture. But rice, even brown, is smooth so I love it.

I also don't particularly like beans because of texture, but there are exceptions if they're well-soaked... Or anko.

Like here. Sweet bean paste

[pulsar heart]

I will never understand ppl who dont like beans. beans are AWESOME

I know a mexican recipe where you mash a bunch of black beans, drop them in the frying pan, and await for the humidity to evaporate

sounds downright disgusting

also kinda looks the part

until u put it in a tortilla w/ veggies and wtv protein u like

peak

[pulsar heart]

wait, similar to this Inthink

[pulsar heart]

I never do this cuz I avoid manual labour

I automate almost everything

[pulsar heart]

at most for date, which is diff

[tardy rain]

Beans are great but im a dumbass and also lazy so i dont wanna cook

If only my sins were just one of the two

[harsh tundra]

Beans require prep, the soaking. With too short soak the texture is hard, kinda grainy.
Canned beans or long-soaked beans don't really have that annoying texture. My partner once soaked beans for over 24h and they were delicious

[pulsar heart]

must I be the only voice of reason in this server

y would u ever cook beans yourself, u kno how hard that is

[minor ferry]

A little early

[tardy rain]

Uncooked beans are cheaper

[pulsar heart]

arent u like a software dev living in london

[tardy rain]

The whole point of eating beans is not to spend money on more expensive things anyway

[tardy rain]

Yes and?

[minor ferry]

the point of beans

[tardy rain]

Do you think i can eat steak every day

[minor ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/exactly-right-gif-3649282151150458658

[pulsar heart]

bro just get a rich gf/bf and park in their crib rent free

[minor ferry]

we cannot all be femboys

[tardy rain]

Rich partner in this economy?

Im the one whos supposed to be rich

Im the software dev

[minor ferry]

still possible, but your gonna have a strange gap between you

[harsh tundra]

You're not up to the times. Polyamory is the only viable relationship structure for living together in this economy

[pulsar heart]

being part of a couple should actually lift a lot of the weight regardless of yalls socioeconomic dtatus

[pulsar heart]

im not ig lmao

[minor ferry]

no.

[pulsar heart]

ive just been living in shared accomodations until I was forced into airbnbs where I am now

[tardy rain]

Maybe you should try renting an apartment

[minor ferry]

HE GOT IT OUT THE MUD

[pulsar heart]

i dont even kno if im stayin in this god forsaken country

[harsh tundra]

Or try stopping being poor and just buy a house /s

But yeah, Airbnb with its high prices vs actual renting is quite an easy choice, lol

[pulsar heart]

is not, you gotta basically fax your entire private life to any potential landlord

shared accom is fine tho

for those they usually accept me paying an entire year in advance

renting a studio they want receipts of literally everything

screw that lol

[minor ferry]

housing cost and requirements are very region depending

[pulsar heart]

NL is one of the worse in europe

[tardy rain]

Cant live in house shares forever

[pulsar heart]

and thats compounded by the fact that they will literally block my bank account if I dont resolve this soon enough

[minor ferry]

are you a free lancer

[pulsar heart]

the dutch institutions will tolerate all sorts of crimes

but paperwork? dont mess w their goddamn paperwork

they will RUIN YOUR LIFE for it

[minor ferry]

The only people I hear speak like this, are those with strange income streams

like artist or youtubers

[pulsar heart]

nope, nothing at all like that, I can sustain myself without a job just fine

welcome to the netherlands

[minor ferry]

that only people who really face the kind of Financial discrimination your describing

[pulsar heart]

dont try to make sense of it

did I escape a domestic violence situation?

ya i did

but im the one at risk of being homeless despite having money lol

crappy ahh country

[minor ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/verycat-cateat-gif-7339469281817108398

[tardy rain]

Perhaps you should rent a studio

[pulsar heart]

I already got this resolved

but it wouldnt have been as simple as that

otherwise I wouldn't be yappin about it

[minor ferry]

I did not believe the netherlands existed until I was an adult

[low chasm]

wild

[pulsar heart]

if u ever wanna come here, consider the US first

it's only slightly worse but your salary is bigger

[minor ferry]

I've heard of it, but thought it was strange city state, located on the land mass of sweden

no bigger then stockhelm

[pulsar heart]

there's good things about it. just not anything you'd typically associate w a european country

anyway, Ill he complaining all day if I kept goin

and btw

its not like Im not in the process of leaving

its just that even that is plagued by endless buerocracy due to the crime of being victim of a crime

anyway

[tardy rain]

Next time be the perp

[pulsar heart]

the perp has special privileges cuz that one doesnt report the crime and hence, is less work for them

everything about this society centers around fiscal austerity

it's literally built in to every single institution, by law, and by culture

they just dont realize how insane it is due to stockholm syndrom.

the french would burn paris to the ground before tolerating half the nonesense the dutch gov does to their citizens lol

[minor ferry]

just invade Stockholm, That is the cure for the syndrome.

https://tenor.com/view/champoy-el-risitas-kek-issou-etu-gif-17837830

[pulsar heart]

I just focus on the stock market as a form of meditation

u kno what im saying

take the good w the bad

I simply do not miss

all my bets r bullzeyes

[exotic tiger]

nice one, those gains are looking super solid for just three months honestly, chart looks sick

[pulsar heart]

literally all my betz look like that, except GOOG, I re-entered that pos a bit late

but UK is lifting off ya

I expect germany to do the same

but UK is capturing panic rotations away from the AI trade

while germany is gonna be lifted by the fiscal stimulus into defense and industry, removal of debt break, etc

RHM keeps bouncing up and down cuz traders just treating it as a betint market for the outcome of the ukraine war

but is all very idiotic I assure u

at some point I saw the stock crash to 1400 as I was reading live news of a nearby military base being harrassed by a russian drone

I was honestly more offended at the stupidity of the sellof than I was happy for the bag I made off of it

I dont even kno why it sold this time again, dont even care anymore, their orderbook is as filled as it can be

matter fact, freking deutshe bank had the exact same reaction as me cuz they raised their target during a damn selloff

saw ppl put their life savings into the stock

was insane

[smoky hearth]

Heyo, I look for early testers who would like to give some initial feedback on my program which is a VS Code AI coding assistant I will bring online soon. It has a non-agentic focus and stuff like prompt library, search, nifty context management, and a rewrite button. It supports Gemini, Anthropic and OpenAI. People who help me with feedback during testing receive a lifetime license and the rest gets PRO subscription until the test phase is over. You basically only need to use the coding helper during your daily dev day and tell me when you think something is not satisfying for you.

Feel free to DM me if you are interested and write "BabaDeluxe".

[paper sequoia]

!rule ad ...?

[royal lake]

Rules

6. Do not post unapproved advertising.

[paper sequoia]

Is it open source one?

[smoky hearth]

It's not an ad?

[smoky hearth]

Not at the moment. I am playinf with the thought of open-sourcing the frontend, but it's not sure yet.

[uneven pine]

Can I offer a feature suggestion?

As a programmer for over 15 years I think my input is valuable

My feature suggestion to vastly improve the quality of the extension: || Remove all AI ||

[minor ferry]

Good evening AUN

[smoky hearth]

Damn, you are funny

[minor ferry]

prompt Libary?

what does this term mean

[carmine apex]

collection of prompts for various slop programs

[minor ferry]

like a

a ux Libary for prompts?

It's a organized collection of text files?

[smoky hearth]

It's more like you can create your own prompts and use them quickly and get some template prompts

[minor ferry]

who makes the Template prompts

[smoky hearth]

I do them. They definitely have a worth, because I use them myself.

I thought I start with Guided Senior Dev and Lean Senior Dev like one for more guidance and one more for execution and less explanation. And maybe I also add a Guided Junior Dev later, and one or two for testing.

You can copy them to your prompts and just edit them or use it right away.

[smoky hearth]

I know most people offering templates are offering very generic and very useless stuff.

I rly try to avoid that by giving very detailed prompt templates which have a lot of my opinions baked in.

[minor ferry]

This is more interesting then typical ai bro products

This require something

a better understanding of man, Rather then of machine

[smoky hearth]

Yeah thanks 🙂

[royal lake]

String formatting mini-language

The String Formatting Language in Python is a powerful way to tailor the display of strings and other data structures. This string formatting mini language works for f-strings and .format().

Take a look at some of these examples!

>>> my_num = 2134234523
>>> print(f"{my_num:,}")
2,134,234,523

>>> my_smaller_num = -30.0532234
>>> print(f"{my_smaller_num:=09.2f}")
-00030.05

>>> my_str = "Center me!"
>>> print(f"{my_str:-^20}")
-----Center me!-----

>>> repr_str = "Spam \t Ham"
>>> print(f"{repr_str!r}")
'Spam \t Ham'

Full Specification & Resources
String Formatting Mini Language Specification
pyformat.info

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[willow rune]

Hello everyone ❤️

[uneven pine]

No I'm serious. Keep the slop out of my code.

[ripe birch]

Why do people write 24/7? 24*7 makes a lot more sense

[pulsar heart]

it's the amount of hours spent per day

so the units workout to "hours/day"

wait, no, dimensionally makes sense, but the number 24/7 dont make sense

idk

24*7 makes more sense yea

[ripe birch]

mhm

[pulsar heart]

id say: 24h*7days/week is the correct full thing

no

i cant math rn

[pulsar heart]

24h/day * 7 day/week

[wooden silo]

24/7 is not a numeric expression. It's a text label.

[pulsar heart]

it heavily depends on how it came to be historically

but I'd say that if we were to assign a math interpretation, mine seems the most reasonable

[green pelican]

Is there one to make my C code secure

[vale raven]

Your code specifically?

Bro just start praying

[green pelican]

Mf

Valgrind says my shit is safe

[timid latch]

use rust

[vale raven]

Who measures their shit?
Give it your code

[green pelican]

I would rather perish

Too many features

[thick ore]

Holy

What a tech stack

Go, gleam, erlang, rust, typescript

https://github.com/fluxerapp/fluxer

[exotic tiger]

that stack is wild, maintenance must be a headache lol

[thick ore]

it is probably a headache, but these languages are shiny new

like most of them

the dream soydev stack

ok so it looks like:

• typescript for api
• go for testing
• erlang for gateway
• rust for metrics

[green pelican]

Insanity

And I feel crazy using python as an entry point for my C tools

[turbid oyster]

3*(3/7) is 24/7

aka 3.42......

[exotic tiger]

using python as a frontend for c is sick, way more productive honestly

[vale raven]

That actually doesn't sound unreasonable

The worst part is really just that they don't have one-repo-per-deployable

[green pelican]

Its basically just a CLI interface for like ~10 tangentially related security tools

They all come packaged but running each binary individually can be a PITA

[smoky hearth]

Thanks for bringing this up. Will look that I'll dig a bit more into security concepts to figure out what a good prompt should all cover in this area. Seems like a good prompt idea. Will call it BabaSecurity™.

[green pelican]

I personally would not trust AI to secure code purely based on some recent research by Veracode so keep that in mind

[uneven pine]

I've just started blocking anyone who regularly uses or advocates for AI usage with code

Cuts a lot of noise down

[alpine tusk]

have you tried Doritos

[tardy rain]

The chip?

Yes they suck

[minor ferry]

why

[tardy rain]

They taste like shit and are crazy expensive

[minor ferry]

I wouldn't eat them even if they free but I will hear your thoughts

[tardy rain]

I dont like most flavoured chips tbh

But flavoured tortilla chips are a scam

Tortilla chips are a vessel for sauce and salsa

[low chasm]

yo lowkey

dates are the move

[tardy rain]

Flavoured chips is just some weird marketing gimmick to charge 3x the price

[low chasm]

the good ones are like candy

[low chasm]

what a take

🥀

i expected better of you mar

[tardy rain]

Its not even a take its facts

I love dates hut unfortunately they are 99% sugar

Need something leaner

[minor ferry]

I used to have them when I was young

but they kind of suck even back then

[tardy rain]

Doritos or dates

[low chasm]

dates dude, i don't like doritos

[tardy rain]

Cut open and pit a date, stuff it with PB

[low chasm]

if you're going to eat chips why eat doritos

have a good chip

[low chasm]

what about lentils

[tardy rain]

I have plain salted tortilla chips and a good salsa or other sauce

All for the price of a bag of doritos or even less

[minor ferry]

Doritos, they were only an option for me if meat or other saturated fats where not available, the carbs are probably negligible compared to bread.

the only two places I would eat doritios are in a prison or school yard

they also used to dirty your hands

they might work pretty well if want to flavor butter on a cream Cheese sandwhich

[tardy rain]

Doritos suck ass regardless of ingredients

You will never catch me preferring doritos to tortilla chips and a topping

[low chasm]

flavored chips and tortilla chips+salsa cannot be compared

they are two different types of food

different experiences

you can't casually dip tortilla chips with salsa or whatever on a road trip

[minor ferry]

yeah, that something people would only do at a really shitty worksite/school/prison.

yes

[tardy rain]

Chip and dip is like the simplest thing aboo

It doesnt have to be complicated dip, get some sour cream going, some guac

Infinitely better than doritos flavoured chip

[low chasm]

yeah but it's a different experience

im not saying i don't like a good chip and dip, im saying it's just a different class of food to your average bag of chips

[green pelican]

So real

[minor ferry]

I think your prospective is lacking in this instance

There is a certain kind miserable you have to be enjoy Doritos, that renders you unable to improve your life incremental ways.

[exotic tiger]

hmm, chips and dip definitely hits different during a long debug session

[alpine tusk]

does it now?

[exotic tiger]

lol yeah, helps when you've been staring at a traceback for way too long

[alpine tusk]

how long is too long for you?

[minor ferry]

longer then the moutains

shorter then the roads

country roads

[alpine tusk]

West Virginia?

[minor ferry]

mountain mama

take me home

[alpine tusk]

so, when you plug that USB stick in, can you access the data you copied over to it as a backup?

[kindred sand]

so yea i backed on usb
thn i used same usb to flash
and then i cancelled flash cuz it said i might need to format it
then i tried to open the usb and it says

[alpine tusk]

okay, fine, format it, probably to device defaults, yes
you'll lose the data on it
so you'll need to make the "backup" again

then afterwards, DO NOT use the same USB to copy and install the image with

ideall you'd want to back the data up to an external ssd or hdd

[kindred sand]

so would i loose data on that usb?

[alpine tusk]

if you format it? yes

[kindred sand]

so instead i do device defaults

?

[alpine tusk]

I'm not entirely sure what you mean by that, but I assume that it means it'll format the usb to its original file format and whatnot, so it will still format it probably

[kindred sand]

ok waht i mean is i dont want to loose whats on the usb whatshould i do

[alpine tusk]

you might be past the point where that's possible... but I don't know for sure, was there something on that USB that is not stored anywhere else?

[kindred sand]

yes ig there were some files on it

[alpine tusk]

well

if you didn't actually format it yet (you said you cancelled the operation when it prompted you to do that)
there must be a way to recover the data on that USB, but I wouldn't know how, you'd have to search that up

[paper sequoia]

You should probably use a recovery tool for that, it might help with recovering the partitions is they were deleted, and might be able to give insight on the state of the USB

[kindred sand]

yep i m doing that usign a tool called testdisk

[paper sequoia]

Also, backup the important files to cloud as well, so you don't have single point of failure

[kindred sand]

okie thanks

[minor ferry]

tbh why do you need linux again

[uneven pine]

I had to check if it was the same kid that was in here every day complaining about losing their OSU scores because they tried to switch to Linux and shat it up

[alpine tusk]

but why not? it's not that hard to switch and it has some immediate benefits over windows, it's more lightweight and there are no ads

[pulsar heart]

metals are lifting off, havent looked up why yet, but if I had to guess I would say it will relate to US plans in Iran

[stoic lodge]

VERY CUSTOMISABLE

[uneven pine]

Most games don't work if you care about that.

Most popular games at least that

[alpine tusk]

Proton has come a long way, you know
Steam handles that side of things for you too

I suppose there are non-Steam games

[uneven pine]

I'm well aware

I switched for a month when windows pissed me off. Very recently

Many things still don't work

I've also outside of my main system been a daily Linux user for over a decade

It's gotten much better but it's still very far off.

Things like Helldivers 2 which run even at a good framerate but have awful camera jitter. Tried everything, steam proton versions, proton GE, gamemode, game scope, never got it working well

90fps but broken camera. I even tried limiting it to 60fps despite that being an unacceptable solution, it didn't fix it anyway

I keep my Linux usage to systems that are better suited for it

I.e. legacy and low eve hardware and things that don't need to do more than a web browser and terminal

And - of course - servers.

[radiant furnace]

Hello how to learn python

[uneven pine]

!res @radiant furnace

[royal lake]

Resources

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[radiant furnace]

Thank you

[tepid osprey]

>>> print("hello world!")

hello world!

[lusty basin]

*Games with kernel anti-cheat

[uneven pine]

Plenty of games that don't have that too

[green pelican]

Only game i haven't gotten working on my time in Linux is hogwarts legacy

[lusty basin]

Oh there is games from MS too,they dont work

[green pelican]

Forza5 and 4 run perfectly fine for me

[lusty basin]

Minecraft Bedrock doesnt

[green pelican]

Good thing Java is superior anyways

[willow narwhal]

The only context in which I can support this sentence.

[green pelican]

I don't even mind java

Like if you're gonna go OOP go full OOP and i respect Java for the commitment

"BuT pRiMiTiVe tYPes!!!"

Banned

[alpine tusk]

Java literally has primitive types

[green pelican]

I know and they're great

[alpine tusk]

lmfao

[loud coyote]

omg haii another femboy uwu also i heard of that

i think thats 20 duodecillion

[pulsar heart]

hai

[loud coyote]

haiiii x3

[pulsar heart]

too funny lmao

[loud coyote]

apparently more money than there is in the world

[pulsar heart]

the funny part is they wouldn't even be able to enforce a 5 dollar fine

[weak peak]

https://tenor.com/view/широкийпутинг-vladimir-putin-putin-russian-president-gif-17786125

[alpine tusk]

is that roblox gameplay?

[vale raven]

JS security issues when you have many JS repos are really tedious

[weak peak]

real

[pulsar heart]

the entire russian foreign policy described by a gif

[weak peak]

ong

[pulsar heart]

to me, listening to the russian elite talk about their foreign policy is like listening to an alien talk

they simply think differently, i dont know how else to describe it, they use a whole different logic to see the world

I used to align w/ realists view of this issue, after watching interviews, naaah, the dudes just stuck in the 19 and 20th century, they are in it for empire building is all

to them europe is weak and they are strong, therefore they are in the right for taking chunks of territory away for themselves

idk how one of the largest and most advanced economies in the world is weak, but okay

it baffles me how that is even part of the zeitgeist. europe has nukes and equivalents to almost everything then US has. it's all a matter of scale. scale which has not materialized cuz, very ironically, the US did not want it until the obama admin

cuz like, what happens to US hegemony if the british decide they wanna try to rival the US navy

[green pelican]

hi

[pulsar heart]

incidentally, this whole thing provides deep structural support to european defense stocks. even if the ukraine war were to stop right now, it would not stop the re-armament. we need to replenish supplies, we need to rebuild ukraine, we need to deter both russia and the US, etc

cuz deterring the US is now a thing apparently

[minor ferry]

who PINGED

[tardy rain]

Ponged

[minor ferry]

i use it but, if you are normie you are not at home

[weak peak]

https://tenor.com/view/im-out-gif-4268195663049291933

[minor ferry]

uhhhhhh, how many aircraft carriers do the british have again?

[weak peak]

two allegedly

[pulsar heart]

before pax americana there was pax britannica

both achieved thro naval supremacy

hence my hypothetical example

the portuguese as well, were able to dominate the seas globally with a tiny population

look at how large brazil is, a former colony of portugal

this dominance was achieves thro naval strategy

so, the idea that europe is not capable of rivaling the US navy has no historical basis, the precedent is the exact opposite

[minor ferry]

Who's this Europe person you speak of us so highly, of.

[pulsar heart]

is a matter of wanting to do it, giving up the peace dividend, investing the money

[minor ferry]

I am being dingenuous if I told you I don't understand, Why you believe european homogeny would exist without Current Us foreign policy, those people don't like each other enough to share a language. its most of european history Prior to end of roman empire Europe was at war with itself, THIS is the contentient where people went to war for DECADES

[pulsar heart]

europe has changed, altho it's true that division is an issue, the current trend is very much federalization

[terse harbor]

I mean

They can't

As of now

The U.S. has plenty of them big boats

[pulsar heart]

im not arguing they can right now, im arguing they have the potential to

[minor ferry]

I might wrong about historical claims but prior the great american intervention they where in the middle of the deadliest human conflict of all time

[terse harbor]

I'd be inclined to disagree

Only the French and British have a meaningful navy

And to some extent, Italy I suppose

And the political will to maintain them ^

[pulsar heart]

look at the combined GDP and population of europe, and tell me if a federalized europe would not be able to scale a navy of the level of the US

[terse harbor]

It's not a matter of money or population

[minor ferry]

what your are arguing for is something I don't think any american believes

and probably some eastern europeans too

[terse harbor]

Said population and political bodies just do not want to do that
And if they don't, then they just can't

[minor ferry]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YA9eMKNCRuQ

[pulsar heart]

I dont much care what americans think

[minor ferry]

this is a very old biparistan idea

so it is funny to see you talk about it

[pulsar heart]

I think you should read my entire take first

[terse harbor]

I did

[pulsar heart]

my views align very strongly with that of mainstream geopolitical analysts

[terse harbor]

It's hypothetically possible

[minor ferry]

Who's mainstream?

[terse harbor]

Plausible? I doubt that

[pulsar heart]

and also, I make bag out of it by investing in the stock market

so your takes are just noise rn when compared with my ROI

[terse harbor]

https://tenor.com/view/meme-gif-1979925821970222725

[minor ferry]

anyway

[minor ferry]

thank for reminding of that clip, it used as background in a song a like

[terse harbor]

The British would first have to convince their voters with being okay with spending tens of billions over decades on ships instead of healthcare, pensions, or energy relief

And political leaders be entirely okay with potentially being cast off their offices

[pulsar heart]

bro I was using the hypothetical scenario to illustrate WHY the US supressed european armament

[minor ferry]

yeah the idea the european can say no to welfare and invest In crazy super weapons

[pulsar heart]

gosh you guys need to learn to read lmao

[minor ferry]

for a decade or two

is kind of funny