ot1-perplexing-regexing

[craggy herald]

yeah idk about samsung but I use a nothing phone 2 pro they don't have any physical stores but there products are nicely priced and they are really good and its like the apple of android but less expensive, but heard that google was also good, and also whats Verizon

[minor ferry]

Chrome branded hardware, has been dis proportionally a fucking Circus.

[uneven pine]

Isn't the nothing phone super FOSSerpilled

Like "look at all the stuff we turned off and doesn't work in the name of "privacy

[minor ferry]

when is the arch phone coming out

[minor ferry]

Do you remember the Freedom phone?

[uneven pine]

I never paid much attention to the tinfoil hat phones

The few times I looked at them they had seriously low spec compared to flagships

[minor ferry]

It was werid conserative shilling for it

it was Deboned Chinese hardware,

I think they legit just removed google play services from a Knock off Samsung s20,

replaced an icon pack or 2

[uneven pine]

Hmm looks like the nothing phone 3 actually has a decent SoC

Though I'm not familiar with snapdragon nomenclature anymore, it's at least current gen.

[graceful basin]

nothing phone is afaik just pretty mundane android

you may be thinking fairphone

[uneven pine]

It sure looks fine

The real question is do they do hardware trade in lol

That's what keeps me on contract on Verizon. I pay basically nothing for my phones

[craggy herald]

whats Verizon

?

[royal tartan]

some american internet thing

[uneven pine]

It's a mobile carrier

[craggy herald]

oh ok

[uneven pine]

Yeah doesn't seem like they have any real incentive to switch if you're already in a good plan.

[craggy herald]

its a bit harsh but as a nothing phone user i can say that its pretty and functional

[royal tartan]

i just hope the next phone i buy wont have built-in ads

[uneven pine]

I'd just pay $700 up front and sell my iphone for probably like chump change lol

[craggy herald]

yeah so you can take xiomi of your list then

[royal tartan]

say what you will, but at least it's cheap

[uneven pine]

what on earth is unity smoking

[craggy herald]

well yeah its cheap and it has decent hardware but its just filled with ads

[royal tartan]

seeing double

[uneven pine]

quadruple...

and there's only actually one render pane window, the rest are just...incorrect renderings.

[royal tartan]

nice

[uneven pine]

I was godot was actually usable for me, this is getting ridiculous

[royal tartan]

wouldnt happen with godot :3

[uneven pine]

godod lacks graphical features, C# support is ass, and their "Everything is a scene" system makes project organization hell

[royal tartan]

i mean to be fair not everything is a scene

[uneven pine]

Unity is really the only fully featured 2D and 3D capable engine I know of

[royal tartan]

i thought unity 2d is just 3d with fixed camera angle

[uneven pine]

gameobjects are a scene, prefabs are a scene, levels are a scene, menus are a scene....

[uneven pine]

unity has a crazy robust set of 2D tooling. You're thinking of Unreal Engine which is just purely 3D with a "2D" mode that locks camera perspective.

I know of no other game engine that has nearly the same level of 2D design tooling as Unity

[royal tartan]

you dont have to use the scene system if you dont want it for some particular thing
you can create the objects yourself, place them wherever

[uneven pine]

maybe something like GMS is pretty close, but then you lose pretty much all 3D functionality and have to use Gamemaker script garbage.

[uneven pine]

but then those objects go into a scene. And when you need to make a prefab, that';s a scene.

Because the only way to make a reusable collection of items is a scene, unless they're hiding a prefab system somewhere deep in the menus I was never able to find.

[thick ore]

why do scenes make project organization hell in the first place?

[uneven pine]

because if everything is the same type of object, there's no organization of which object is which

[thick ore]

i would argue that that's your job

the scene system gives you freedom to structure it however you like

[uneven pine]

In unity, a scene is what you expect it to be: A scene.

A gameobject is an object, a prefab is a collection of gameobjects with predefined settings.

In Godot you have to use Java™ naming

ObjectMyTypeMyObjectName

SceneMyScene

PrefabMyPrfab

[royal tartan]

you can use resource files and scripts and avoid it altogether afaik

[uneven pine]

I shouldn't need to work around your shittily designed system

[thick ore]

why can't you just name it what it is? no need for pseudo hungarian notation

[uneven pine]

it's just FOSS syndrome 🤣

A player object sholdn't be a scene

it gets confusing

"why do I have a scene named player?"

because it's not a scene, it's a prefab.

[royal tartan]

a scene is not a good name maybe, but at least it's consistent

[uneven pine]

So it needs to be named in a way that is understandable because there's no differentiation between types of objects.

[thick ore]

i agree, the "scene" naming is sort of confusing

[uneven pine]

it's just bad for organization and makes no sense

but that's 99% of FOSS software for you

[royal tartan]

i dont think it's because it's FOSS that it's bad

then again i dont think it's bad to begin with

[uneven pine]

it shares the same issues that many FOSS software do.

[royal tartan]

but i havent really been using glorious C# in Unity

[uneven pine]

Poor organization, bad design choices, inconsistencies across the board

[royal tartan]

i guess i just dont see what would be better

[uneven pine]

Like their garbage chinese knockoff python gdscript is a pain to use, but their C# API just uses all the exact same functions...and snake_case in C# is ugly, stupid, and makes every code linting tool scream at you :)

[minor ferry]

russian boTS

rUINED another demoracy

https://tenor.com/view/democracy-manifest-succulent-chinese-meal-gif-6247352595627410905

[uneven pine]

Unity is a great example of what is better.

C# using normal C# code style.
A system of correctly named tools such as scenes, objects, prefabs, etc, etc...
A UI that doesn't look like a toy.
Proper external tooling support (Good luck getting C# code completion working on VS code with live integration in Godot :)

[uneven pine]

Пешерний человеки

[craggy herald]

not russian but soviet bots

[uneven pine]

хахахаха

[craggy herald]

its the soviet union

[royal tartan]

i havent tried the C# integration, i just assumed it was something Microsoft just paid them to do and that's the only reason it exists

i just use the gdscript, which as of the current version is suitable imo

the UI doesn't look like a toy to me, but then again i edit images in GIMP

[uneven pine]

gdscript is insufferable, chinese knockoff python.

we didn't need a DSL for one engine we needed a language that people already knew

[royal tartan]

it's really not meant to be like python

[uneven pine]

fucking javascript would be better than that.

[royal tartan]

no.

[craggy herald]

i like java script

[uneven pine]

yes

At least javasshit is a real language not some made up garbage that you would only ever use for godot and nothing else.

[royal tartan]

I'd rather make sand castles than gamedev with JavaScript

[uneven pine]

I'd rather use FORTRAN77 for making games than GDShit

[craggy herald]

I have never used javascript for gamedev

[uneven pine]

I used typescript for a small project

it's really not that bad.

[royal tartan]

I have
it's trash

[craggy herald]

oh ok

[uneven pine]

I used JavaScript for fligthsim projects, it's....an awful lagnguage

[royal tartan]

it's easily top 10 worse experiences

[uneven pine]

but I''d still rather use it than GDscript

because GDScript is GodDamn awful

[royal tartan]

I think it's really not that big of a deal to use a language made specifically for the engine

you already need to learn a bunch of libraries and tools

[craggy herald]

I'm using javascript for a python project and I love it

[royal tartan]

might as well use a specific language for it too

[uneven pine]

it's just stupid and uneccesary

especially when the language is dogshit

[royal tartan]

why do you think it's bad?

my experience with it was fairly positive
I'm curious to know what you don't like about it

[uneven pine]

Trying to be python while failing miserably to have any of the nicities that Python has.

They had the option to fix things that are annoying in Python such as dunders, but instead just made them uglier because now we get _init instead of __init__

typecasting feels tacked on with ugly syntax

The completely uneccesary usage of := when you could just use type inference or set typing. It's just a weird middle ground that gives you the best of no worlds.

"Code regions" because I guess just having an editor that allows you to fold any funciton/class is too hard?

As mentioned before, no external editor support. Good luck getting up-to-date code completion in your favorite editor, let alone active degbugging.

Trying to be python, yet uses lowercase true/false and null instead of None.

They somehow made lambda functions worse by adding extra syntax onto the already cumbersome python syntax. If we're fucking up python, why not at least add arrow functions?

"Get things done quickly with Godot's built-in scripting language GDScript. Inspired by Python and other languages, "

before you say "It isn't trying to be python!"
Python is and always has been their primary "inspiration". It even used to be referred to as "python-like" in the GD2/3 days.

[royal tartan]

well I guess I agree with some things
i don't really mind _init personally, and I would prefer type inference. I haven't tried too much external editors, last I checked there was a language server somewhere, but I haven't actually tried it
debugging it in your editor seems like a fool's errand though - it's most sensible to debug in the engine

I always thought true and false should be lowercase tbh

and yeah I mean it's inspired by python but it's clearly not python at all

[uneven pine]

Unity debugging through VS code works flawlessly

And since I'm comparing to unity...

[royal tartan]

how do you debug a game in vscode?

don't you need to uh.. see the things?

in the renderer?

[uneven pine]

You're not going to believe this but you can actually have more than one window open on your computer at the same time.

[royal tartan]

oh I see, so stepping in vscode also syncs with the game panel?

[uneven pine]

You're debugging code side in editor, visual side in engine...

This is also just the way unity works. All their code debugging happens in external editor

The default option used to be monodevelop. I don't know if that's still the case

They push Visual Studio. The full one, not VS Code.

[uneven pine]

Yes

[royal tartan]

ugh I hate visual studio

[royal tartan]

that is honestly something I never experienced, didn't even think it was an option until you told me about it

[uneven pine]

But again, install the extension group for unity, set it as your external editor, done. VS code just works.

Unity simply has no code editing or debugging built in. There's a console to report errors or warning (or log output) but that's it

And IMO that's the way it should be. Unreal engine is the same way.

Code tools for code, engine tools for engine

Else you get toylike garbage like gamemaker studio , and godot

[royal tartan]

I guess that makes sense
I did miss my vim binds in Godot code editor

[uneven pine]

Vim :s

Blood is stuck in the era before computer graphics even existed

[royal tartan]

lol

I mean yeah that's just how I do things

I like how it feels on my fingertips :3

[uneven pine]

I use vim a lot at work because 80% of the systms I interact with are headless, so you gotta use a terminal editor

and a terminal only environment is the only place I'd ever want to use that

on my personal systems I use Helix for terminal edits whenever I need it

[royal tartan]

I use it for most code editing
I only use something else when I have to

like with java

or with some god forsaken system

[uneven pine]

I simply cannot leave VS Code

[royal tartan]

or when I need a debugger 🤔

[uneven pine]

too fully featured for all the different languages I end up interadting with

[royal tartan]

I installed vim mode in vscode

[uneven pine]

only other option similar is Jetbrains Fleet, which, while I do LOVE the UX andUI of fleet

you can only have code completion with AI, you can't have normal language server code completion

and that's a hella dealbreaker for me

[royal tartan]

why

that sounds awful

[uneven pine]

that's a great quesiton, ask jetbrains, not me

turn off AI, get no code completion, there's no settings otherwise.

[royal tartan]

i cant stand vscode tbh

[uneven pine]

it really sucks, because Fleet has such smooth UI animations, it feels fantastic to use

[royal tartan]

i only use it cus sometimes i have to

[uneven pine]

it makes VS Code feel archaic and janky.

[royal tartan]

vscode is archaic and janky

[uneven pine]

There was/is an addon to add smooth animations to everything in VSC, but it breaks basically every single update

and makes the editor unusable

so not worth the annoyance.

[royal tartan]

ugh, i actually hate animations in editors

with a passion

[uneven pine]

I've tried other editors like the atom continuaion Pulsar.

[minor ferry]

one of these days vsc will cross the line for me I will use codium or something

[uneven pine]

but Pulsar really struggles with language servers, Unity for one I was never able to get completions working for.

[minor ferry]

or maybe and something fun and sexy

like

vim

[uneven pine]

tried VSCodium but 50% of extensions don't work, rendering it unusable.

[minor ferry]

but with rgb

[uneven pine]

Vim isn't sexy, vim is a terminal editor.

[royal tartan]

sexy just like RMS

[uneven pine]

with aweful archaic binds that make no sense if you've ever used an editor from the last 3 decades

[minor ferry]

what about atom

or was atomic

[royal tartan]

atom died for your vscode

[uneven pine]

and we mourn that loss daily

[minor ferry]

on the cross?

[royal tartan]

on the microsoft cross yes

[uneven pine]

pulsar is Atoim continued by the community

[minor ferry]

on the microsoft cross

[uneven pine]

it is good if you don't need consistent language server support

https://pulsar-edit.dev/

[royal tartan]

i like the bindings 🥺

theyre good

[uneven pine]

if you really want terminal based, something more modern like (Helix)[https://helix-editor.com/] is fantastic.

I'm not going to edit it to swap the brackets

Helix is mostly vim-like, has a great set of features built in, including custom language server support

[royal tartan]

i dont actually want terminal based
because those struggle with RTL languages
i just want something fast and with my fav keybinds

i use vim because it's just the best i could find

and i did try most of them

[uneven pine]

though you gotta be one of those people who like configuring things manually because the stock configuration is pretty much blnak.

I used Emacs for quite a while, I even had my own emacs distribution.

[royal tartan]

i used emacs extensively too

but i couldnt handle the slowness

it was just sooo slowwww

why cant things just open when i tell them to open?

[minor ferry]

Microsoft hasn't crossed a big enough line for me yet

[royal tartan]

it crossed it like last year

i dont have any windows stuff anymore

im so done

[uneven pine]

https://github.com/CodeBizarre/awoo-emacs

6 years ago lol

[minor ferry]

you know you said, this Am pretending I didn't cross over to linux 6 months ago because of that

[royal tartan]

awoo emacs xD
that's a good one

[uneven pine]

I think the reason I did it was a major bug in VSC preventing me from using it

[royal tartan]

what's really bothering me with both vim and emacs (amd most other code editors tbh) is just godawful support what i consider basic features

[uneven pine]

so I needed a new editor

I built awoo emacs from the gorund up after triyng doom emacs and centaur emacs and finding them to have major issues with the way I did things

notably things like C-c, C-x and C-v not being copy/paste/cut

[royal tartan]

like being able to write in arabic or hebrew without the text being displayed in the wrong direction
or being able to render latex blocks in-place

[uneven pine]

and they were a nightmare to customize unless you were the one to write them.

So I made my own config that was a nightmare to configure if you weren't the one to write it.

[royal tartan]

ah ctrl-c copy gang i see

[uneven pine]

especially because I write lisp in a way that hurts most people because I can't really read lisp otherwise.

[royal tartan]

i dont wanna touch lisp configs

ik it's allegedly 'aesthetic' or whatevever but i dont see the appeal

i prefer lua

[uneven pine]

;; Bootstrap for straight.el (https://github.com/raxod502/straight.el)
(defvar bootstrap-version)
(let ((bootstrap-file
        (expand-file-name "straight/repos/straight.el/bootstrap.el" user-emacs-directory)
    )
    (bootstrap-version 5)
    )
    (unless (file-exists-p bootstrap-file)
        (with-current-buffer
            (url-retrieve-synchronously
                "https://raw.githubusercontent.com/raxod502/straight.el/develop/install.el"
                'silent 'inhibit-cookies
            )
            (goto-char (point-max))
            (eval-print-last-sexp)
        )
    )
    (load bootstrap-file nil 'nomessage)
)

Behold, I have used perens as brackets.

[royal tartan]

i mean that looks pretty good to me

[uneven pine]

it's so ugly. I HATE lisp and every single one of its derivatives

[uneven pine]

every emacs/lisp user I ever showed this told me I wrote the ugliest elisp they're ever seen

[royal tartan]

theyre just grumpy

[uneven pine]

I mean, they're lisp users, so I believe it

[royal tartan]

like all lisp users

theyre using a dead language that nobody cares about

with a syntax that nobody but them likes

[uneven pine]

Anyway, the one cool thing I did with awoo emacs is the module language configs

you simply threw a a single file with the config info for whatever programming langauge you wanted into the languages folder, and on startup it just loaded it.

[royal tartan]

better than having to link it manually ngl

[uneven pine]

;; Javascript support using js2-mode for Awoo Emacs
;; This file is not part of GNU Emacs

(straight-use-package 'js2-mode)

(add-to-list 'auto-mode-alist '("\\.js\\'" . js2-mode))
(add-to-list 'interpreter-mode-alist '("node" . js2-mode))

(provide 'awoo-javascript)

javascript example

it just kinda works and I couldn't understand why no other emacs distro did it that way.

[royal tartan]

it looks pretty smol and comfy to me

i used doom emacs a bunch and i couldnt figure my way around the config

[uneven pine]

yupp

[royal tartan]

i think im just allergic to these over-engineered config systems

[uneven pine]

the best thing is this hasn't been touched in 6 years and I bet it still works

[royal tartan]

well yeah because emacs hasnt gotten an update in 6 years probably

hardly surprising

[uneven pine]

;; Install/load language support from `.emacs.d/awoo/langauges`
;; (https://stackoverflow.com/questions/18706250/emacs-require-all-files-in-a-directory)
(let ((loaded (mapcar #'car load-history)))
    (dolist (file (directory-files (format "%s/languages" awoo-dir) t ".+\\.elc?$"))
        (unless (catch 'issue
            (dolist (done  loaded) (when (equal file done) (throw 'issue t)))
            nil
            )
        (load (file-name-sans-extension file))
        (push file loaded)
        )
    )
)

;; Load our custom defaults
(require 'custom-defaults)

look at that, past me even included the stackoverflow link I found the code from

[royal tartan]

you even put it in () like a true emacs god

[uneven pine]

most of that was incomprehensible at the time to me, much more so now.

[royal tartan]

i just couldnt stand emacs being slow in the end
it took forever (approx 1 second) to open the editor, swap files etc

[uneven pine]

One thing I do like is unless

unless and until are two things that I think every language should have.

[royal tartan]

theyre just fancy while loops

[uneven pine]

Ruby's until was the one thing I really liked from Ruby and constantly find myself wanting in langauges like Python and C# to this day.

they are, but it's some syntax sugar that I actually like

unlikes rust, which is 50% syntax sugar that breaks their own styleguide

[royal tartan]

what does unless do? i know until is while not

but i forgot what unless does

[uneven pine]

basically an if not

unless condition do thing

[royal tartan]

ah

[uneven pine]

It is absolutely uneccesary, but it's shorthand that makes code actually more readable, and that's the kind of syntactic sugar I'm all for.

[royal tartan]

eh im fine without them, but ill take the sugar if it's on offer

[uneven pine]

I actually once added them to python properly

back in like 3.6 or 3.7

[royal tartan]

was it good while it lasted?

[uneven pine]

oh by the way my unity issue was forcing fast vsync on through the GPU, forgot to add an exclusion for the ediitor

[uneven pine]

I basically never used it because I wouldn't have been able to to share code with people.

[royal tartan]

finally i can see your fancy cuboid scene

honestly the only reasons i never bothered with unity was the obnoxious asset flip culture, C# and the whole "PAY US MORE MONEYYY" vibe

[uneven pine]

Back to my preferred layout, this is where 4k would be nice though.

[royal tartan]

jeez it's earlate for you

[uneven pine]

I work overnights so this is pretty normal time

8PM-8AM

[royal tartan]

awooing time

[uneven pine]

indeed

[royal tartan]

i can see the appeal of having good external code editor support

[uneven pine]

Now I have to port a bunch of GDScript over to unity

I wonder if chatgpt could do that

[royal tartan]

doubt

it doesnt have enough gdscript training material

[uneven pine]

me too, I'm not actually going to try

[royal tartan]

im gonna play pillars of eternity

[uneven pine]

surprisingly painless

ignore the twitch stream in the background, didn't realize snipping tool was getting audio

Update: I tried to increase the CPU threads and I made an oopsie. Unity editor froze.

[uneven pine]

looking snazzy now

[uneven pine]

cooking

[wooden silo]

Can I give my opinion on it, or do you want to go in without any preconceived notions?

Not talking about spoilers, just my impression of the game as a whole.

[royal tartan]

sure

[ripe birch]

There r so many luna's tho

[royal tartan]

the first Luna

[ripe birch]

Why not @sturdy cobalt ?

[sturdy cobalt]

hi

why am i gambling?

[ripe birch]

you'd know

[sturdy cobalt]

makes sense

[ripe birch]

u should know

tell us why

[sturdy cobalt]

https://tenor.com/view/aventurine-all-or-nothing-gif-940052929516816023

https://tenor.com/view/aventurine-star-rail-i-love-gambling-roulette-gif-15600735931808948001

[ripe birch]

come to think of it, pokemon games have gambling

[sturdy cobalt]

(i don't really love gambling tho just a disclaimer)

[ripe birch]

have u ever played the slot machine in pkmn?

[sturdy cobalt]

nope

[ripe birch]

why not

i use cosmic now btw

what do u use?

[sturdy cobalt]

for what?

[ripe birch]

DE

arch + cosmic

[wooden silo]

I really like the original Baldur's Gate 1 and 2, and while PoE captures the same game mechanics (with more QoL improvements), the story and setting is just incredibly boring.

[sturdy cobalt]

oh, i have arch + cinnamon, it just kinda works

[ripe birch]

oh icic

[wooden silo]

It's super wordy but it feels like none of it matters.

[ripe birch]

quite an interesting pick

@wooden silo @sturdy cobalt do u believe in free will?

[wooden silo]

No

I think free will is incoherent as a concept.

[sturdy cobalt]

hot take i don't believe it's something worth discussing

[wooden silo]

It's not just false, it's downright poorly defined.

[ripe birch]

how would u define it?

[wooden silo]

I can't, that's the point.

And anyone trying to do so has failed, imo.

[ripe birch]

have you watched the alex o connor video?

[wooden silo]

I've watched many Alex O'Connor videos.

[ripe birch]

lol
he is the one who introduced me to "free will cannot exist" and made me read Sam Harris's free will

[wooden silo]

But I seem to recall he has a similar take to me.

I've read one Sam Harris book, but I don't remember which.

[ripe birch]

Probably the meditation one or one on atheism

I've read 1.01 of his books

[wooden silo]

I think it was the moral landscape

[ripe birch]

free will and 2 pages of his meditation book

oh

i wanna read it but it has so many pages

how do u read books so big?

[wooden silo]

I listen to them in audiobook form while walking or doing chores

[ripe birch]

i see

do you read books?

[wooden silo]

Yes

My mom's a librarian

So she had me read books since I was like 6

[ripe birch]

how old are you if you dont mind me asking?

[wooden silo]

37

[ripe birch]

👍

[wooden silo]

I think I came to this conclusion on my own, though I did read some related philosophy

[sturdy cobalt]

@ripe birch my desktop

[ripe birch]

ah makes sense why u r litwick

[sturdy cobalt]

he's my fav

[ripe birch]

https://youtu.be/OwaXqep-bpk

[wooden silo]

Particularly I think I arrived at the whole thing about how randomness is not a viable alternative to determinism while studying stats at uni

[ripe birch]

Interesting

Wait, gtg

catch ya later

[uneven pine]

honkai star rail mentioned

show your teams now

[sturdy cobalt]

i don't play anymore

[royal tartan]

I haven't really given much thought to the story, which hasn't developed yet
I did like bg1 and 2, I'll see if it's significantly better

[royal tartan]

it can be well defined
it's just that whatever you get as a result is guaranteed to upset someone

[wooden silo]

Not in my experience. It either comes down to something that's logically contradictory, or something that seems silly to call "free".

Like compatibilism.

[royal tartan]

what's silly about compatibilism?

[wooden silo]

It's cope

[royal tartan]

how so?

[wooden silo]

It's like recognizing that free will, as it's classically used, is incoherent, but refusing to want to give up the term, so you redefine it as something that's coherent, but useless.

It's just unnecessary.

[royal tartan]

I wouldn't say useless
I don't like contradictory definitions or useless ones

I think there's value in the idea that some choices are forced on you whereas others are driven by your internal wants and desires

[wooden silo]

I don't see what that gives you.

What's an example of a concrete situation where that makes any difference?

[royal tartan]

a way to tell people they're being dicks if they give me a "choice"

[wooden silo]

You can say that people are dicks even if their actions are determined.

It's just descriptive rather than prescriptive.

[royal tartan]

they're determined but I want a way to differentiate actions I took because I wanted to and ones I had no choice but to take

[wooden silo]

Why?

[royal tartan]

because it makes a difference in how I judge people for their actions

[wooden silo]

I don't think it should.

[royal tartan]

I mean everyone I know realizes the difference - if you kill another person because you chose to or because you had no choice - that makes a big difference

[wooden silo]

It makes a difference as to what punishment you receive, but that's also just a practical consideration.

[royal tartan]

right

[wooden silo]

Someone who murders with intent is more dangerous than someone who does by accident.

[royal tartan]

right, those kinds of decisions tell us more about you as a person

I mean your 'free' choices

that makes them valuable

[wooden silo]

Indeed. But there's no need for some vague "free will framework" on top of that.

That just muddles the truth.

[royal tartan]

it's not a framework

I'm just defining those types of choices as free because it's a useful label

[wooden silo]

We can evaluate those decisions without categorizing them as "free" or not.

[wooden silo]

I disagree that it's useful, I think it tends to confuse people.

[royal tartan]

you can give them a different name if you want, it wouldn't make a difference

[wooden silo]

It makes a difference if it misleads people into thinking that it's something it isn't.

[royal tartan]

you'd still want to differentiate actions you take on purpose vs you're forced to

[wooden silo]

I think it often misleads even people who are compatibilists.

[wooden silo]

You can just do that without using a lossy abstraction.

[royal tartan]

how? by constantly swapping free choice with 'choice taken because you wanted and not because circumstances forced you to'?

it's verbose

and needlessly so

just call it free and be done with it
you only need to explain this once to someone

[wooden silo]

No, by looking at the choices people make and analyzing the causal chains leading up to them.

People don't want things randomly, they want things for specific reasons.

Their preferences develop as a product of their genetics and environment.

[royal tartan]

allegedly
most of the time we don't know why they want whatever they want

heck I don't even truly know why I want talk about this rn

[wooden silo]

Well, even if they do want things randomly, a random variable is not freedom.

[royal tartan]

it's free because it's whatever they wanted

[wooden silo]

That's the cope

[royal tartan]

doesn't matter to me why they wanted it in the first place

[wooden silo]

There's nothing special about brains with preferences.

[royal tartan]

I didn't claim it was special

[wooden silo]

Those brains came about through physical mechanisms.

[royal tartan]

I just said it reflects their preferences

[wooden silo]

The "free" label is unneeded

We can just look at brains with preferences for what they are without assigning some special label to them

[royal tartan]

it's as unneeded as any other word you can define in other means

[wooden silo]

No, some words are more redundant than others.

[royal tartan]

it's just makes it easier to talk

[wooden silo]

And some words are vaguer than others.

[wooden silo]

Sometimes it makes it harder.

[royal tartan]

now my friend knows that when I say I picked blue 'freely' it's not because red was super expensive

[wooden silo]

No, that's just confusing.

[royal tartan]

to you maybe

not to my friend who shares the same understanding as I do

[wooden silo]

Well, I know you didn't pick it through some Christian notion of free will.

[royal tartan]

no I'm not religious

[wooden silo]

Wouldn't matter if you were.

I know you didn't because that notion is logically incoherent.

And even if you're compatibilist, I still didn't learn anything new about why you picked blue.

[royal tartan]

frankly I only met a handful of christians in my life
they didn't have time to share with me all the details of their beliefs

[wooden silo]

Because there is some actual cause for why you have a preference for blue.

[royal tartan]

you learned that it was because of my preferences
maybe even because I like blue

[wooden silo]

Who knows, maybe your mom liked wearing blue sweaters when you were a baby and it makes you feel comfort to see it

Or maybe you have a gene that makes you like blue

[royal tartan]

sure

[wooden silo]

It'll be something along those lines

Or it's random

[royal tartan]

but it doesn't matter why I like blue

[wooden silo]

In any case, calling that "free" just makes it more confusing

[wooden silo]

I mean, it might matter.

[royal tartan]

the fact that I do is useful enough to my friend, who might want to buy me a complimentary blue ball

[wooden silo]

You don't have to tell him you freely chose blue, you can just tell him you like blue.

The "free" part is unnecessary again.

[royal tartan]

I don't need to be too direct
I can explain both in a single sentence

sometimes you state one fact, but actually you state two

[wooden silo]

The example doesn't justify why you need the "free" part

[royal tartan]

again you don't need it

it's a convenience

[wooden silo]

If it's a convenience, it's convenient for something

But it just seems like an inconvenience, because it's confusing

[royal tartan]

its only as confusing as you make it out to be

it's pretty mundane

[wooden silo]

It's mundane because people don't think too hard about what they're saying

[royal tartan]

if something is confusing I'll just try and be more explicit
but usually we have our internal languages

[wooden silo]

My argument is that it never helps make anything clearer

It always just muddles things

[royal tartan]

well it's a bad argument, I just explained how it might be useful

[wooden silo]

You said it tells your friend you like blue, so they know to buy you blue things

But I pointed out that the "free" part doesn't contribute to that

So I don't see how the "free" part is useful

[royal tartan]

I think most people have some notion of choices they made with intention and choices they made with no intention
it's a useful distinction

[wooden silo]

I don't think so

You say it's a useful distinction, but you've yet to explain how

[royal tartan]

I've tried to

but I guess you don't see the utility the same way I do

[wooden silo]

Well, I think it doesn't exist

[royal tartan]

right.. well it doesn't really matter either way

[wooden silo]

I think it can somewhat matter how we reason about assigning blame to people for their actions

And how we emotionally feel about those choices

[royal tartan]

it's just.. sometimes I want to inform someone I made a decision, but also at the same time express that it was a willful choice, or a choice I didn't want to make

it's something I commonly do

[wooden silo]

My wife has a friend who's always a dick. He always chooses to do stupid shit and hurt people around him. I know he likely does this because he was traumatized by a lack of affection from his parents when he was a child. By your definition he freely chooses to be an asshole. From my perspective his actions are basically inevitable by how he himself was hurt as a child. I don't really get mad at him. I just keep him away from my loved ones.

[royal tartan]

well yeah his free actions indicate that he's a dick and that you should stay away from him

[wooden silo]

We emotionally get less mad at people who are forced to do bad things by circumstance than people who freely choose to do bad things.

[royal tartan]

if someone threatened him to do it I might be more sympathetic and not call him a dick

[wooden silo]

My view is that all actions fall in the former category.

[royal tartan]

eh... it makes a difference

in terms of how easy it is for a person to change their behavior

how well it predicts future choices they make

[wooden silo]

I don't think it matters.

I can still evaluate his behavior and judge the probability that he'll improve, or whether he's a threat, without thinking of his actions as free.

[royal tartan]

it doesn't matter to you whether someone is very likely to offend again or just isn't at all interested in offending again?

[wooden silo]

Sure, it matters, but it doesn't matter whether they can act "freely" or not.

That doesn't affect the risk calculus.

[royal tartan]

it does
because if they don't act freely, they might yet be freed to act freely

[wooden silo]

I'm not sure what that means.

[royal tartan]

if someone is threatening you with a gun, you could remove the person threatening and then your decisions would be free again

[wooden silo]

This is circular. You are presupposing the whole "free" concept.

[royal tartan]

im just saying, there's a difference

[wooden silo]

I can't really take your word for it, unfortunately.

[royal tartan]

i don't think you understand what I mean

[wooden silo]

I don't.

[royal tartan]

well, nevermind then

[wooden silo]

I didn't mean to come off rude, I'm kinda hungry and tired right now and waiting for dinner, so I can't really focus very well and I'm being too impatient.

[royal tartan]

it's alright, I'm tired too
I just don't know if I could explain myself even if I tried

so why bother y'know?

[wooden silo]

If I was feeling better I'd try to be more charitable and listen to your point of view more thoroughly.

[wooden silo]

Well, it's alright, we don't need to solve the determinism-compatibilism debate today.

[royal tartan]

maybe some other day

[wooden silo]

We can give it a go.

[minor ferry]

two uncs getting too old to have an unc off

so they called it a draw

https://tenor.com/view/clint-eastwood-draw-gif-19805060

[mossy mango]

guys why is the US government letting ICE just murder random 37 year old woman in her car who wasn't doing anything

then they called her a domestic terrorist

she never even got out of her car

and the agents blocked a doctor and the paramedics from getting to her

so they had to walk all the way to carry her dead body to the ambulance

[wooden silo]

Because the US government is fascist

[mossy mango]

what does this even accomplish besides making the population incredibly upset so then you can justify being even more violent clamping down even more and just basically become Nazi Germany

like the woman's neighbor comes out and is like "wtf man? you just killed my neighbor!"

"how do you come to work everyday??"

[wooden silo]

Well, the nazis did manage to get control of Germany

[mossy mango]

that's the only possible reason I can think that they would be doing this

so they can justify martial law

or some such thing

when people freak out and start demonstrating

[wooden silo]

And to spread fear, despair and apathy

[mossy mango]

yeah

what a clusterfuck

meanwhile we have him just about to take over an allied country and European leaders are still trying not to upset Trump and offering the most watered down rebuke of all time

NATO is officially useless

also apparently these officers only get 47 days of training, and that's because Trump is the 47th president

[weak peak]

was it ever useful? /j

[mossy mango]

no

article 5 is just ignored

and the US is not going to vote to attack itself in defense of Greenland

and nobody is going to go to Greenland's defense

they didn't anticipate hostile aggression from a fellow member lol

[young shoal]

I'm sure that's the full story

[wooden silo]

It feels a bit like having your loud and slightly offensive uncle suddenly start threatening everyone in the family with a gun.

[wooden silo]

I guess maybe they're trying not to start shit and just quietly ride his term out and hopefully negotiate more effectively with his successor.

[mossy mango]

it literally is

I can link you a video

I just described the events in the video

[wooden silo]

Not very surprising tbh

It is ICE we're talking about here

[mossy mango]

yeah, I figured it would come to this eventually

it's just scary that it's already happening and we're only 1 year in

what's this place gonna look like in 4 years

it's a 37 year old white woman in a Honda with like family bumper stickers and stuff just sitting in the road outside her driveway not doing anything

she's literally you or your mom or your family member

and they shot her for trying to get away

I mean I think this is a pretty good indicator that something is severely wrong

If you're gonna ignore this, what are you not gonna ignore?

https://www.cnn.com/2026/01/07/us/video/ice-shooting-minneapolis-digvid

[wooden silo]

Things have been severely wrong over there for a long time

[mossy mango]

they have

[wooden silo]

Not even just since Trump tbh

[mossy mango]

notice they are shooting into the side of the car? she's not trying to run them over. that's what Trump and the DOJ said.

she literally steers to avoid the other ICE agent

[mossy mango]

yeah, since Reagan really

[wooden silo]

Pretty much

I'm not sitting on a high horse though, things are trending in a bad direction here as well

They're just not as far gone yet

[mossy mango]

I fear the worst

hope it won't

[minor ferry]

has it been useful since the 90s?

[worldly dome]

since washington

[hard halo]

random but how do y'all do SSHFS on Windows

I'm using the GUI manager but it rejects my private key auth

Apparently it doesn't allow for privkeys with a password, so I put my key in the ssh-agent service, seeing if that might work, now it's throwing a different error that the notification in Action Center is too small to show me in full, clicking on it makes it disappear and it doesn't actually stdout the information at all

[cobalt remnant]

I think most people use a program like filezilla

[hard halo]

sigh I'll just use WSL

tried the sshfs-win build, throws generic "connection reset by peer" even with verbose log level

[young shoal]

wsl

[uneven pine]

Weasel

Don't be a stoat, Mr. Iraq.

[harsh tundra]

Btw, nginx on windows also doesn't allow certs with passwords... And won't tell you anything is wrong, ssl will just silently not work

[grave cove]

ts wouldve done numbers in 2015

[uneven pine]

What was typescript even doing in 2015

[honest star]

@young shoal bringing back this absolute banger

[young shoal]

i was there!

[honest star]

@thick osprey you would enjoy remembering this too

[thick osprey]

That's still one of the best moments.

The joke is funny enough. That it actually worked was priceless.

[scenic blaze]

Thank you for pinning it. We need more sources of joy in this world

[mossy mango]

yeah, I don't know when it was set up, but probably since then lol

probably like 1947?

a bunch of geopolitical and international order things were done around then

also the Roswell crash site 👽 👾 📡

[minor ferry]

well this didn't age well

[minor ferry]

in hindsight, I should of asked more questions, That kind of what normal cops have to do if they make the Decision to surround your vehicle while they are on foot

[granite tree]

I don't know truth, but some law enforcement people ahve said: they're trained to not get in front of a vehicle for exactly this reason. A big part of LE training is avoiding putting themselves in harms way.

[tardy rain]

Bit of a yikes position to be defending ICE

ofc you should ask more questions, look at the videos, etc

Its very obvious that nobody was about to be harmed

Guy had his gun out before the car even started moving

[harsh tundra]

ICE "agents" don't even id themselves when asked - how can you know they're actually ICE and not criminals trying to hijack your car or kidnap you?
Because of that, white passerbys are encourage to interrupt ICE - because if charged with interrupting ICE, they can claim they thought it was a kidnapping

[tardy rain]

Now is the time for 2A fans to show they have spine

And start shooting at the people disappearing their neighbours in the middle of the day

[lament cairn]

the fuck's happening up there

[plush sun]

You know they won't

[wooden silo]

Fascism

[ripe grotto]

I have a sticker on my MacBook for a reason (there's irony hidden in there somewhere)

[steep stirrup]

@empty dune .

[empty dune]

Okay So if I want a job and to be a gamedev and will also have to learn c++ in school.. what do you guys suggest me

[narrow iris]

Byr for the love of god and all things holy if you want a job in gamedev DO NOT DO UNITY

[steep stirrup]

you would probabbly learn more C++ yourself than you can learn in school.

start with C first. or something even more basic, get your programming fundamentals in

[narrow iris]

what i did was go into a niche engine called godot, every job posting is only competing with maybe 5 people

[empty dune]

Yeah its bare minimum at school

[steep stirrup]

i mean, unreal engine is the real deal

[empty dune]

I thought learning python would be okay at first

[steep stirrup]

trust me, no school curriculum can teach you enough c++

[narrow iris]

yea but you need a beast of a computer to run it, and im sure thats over saturated too

[steep stirrup]

i suppose you could do that

[narrow iris]

godot is rising in usage by the year exponentially

if you want a job in gamedev go for godot

[empty dune]

Where and how to start tho?

[steep stirrup]

maybe so'

[empty dune]

Not in gamedev.. I want a coding job.. thats not gamedev

[steep stirrup]

plenty of books. I personally suggest people Head First Python but the community tilts towards "boring the automated stuff with python"

[narrow iris]

i meant the coding part of gamedev

[steep stirrup]

and better yet, if you learn how a CPU works, how an OS works, you would have much more clarity.

[empty dune]

I meam

Uh

Where to find

[steep stirrup]

!resources

[royal lake]

Resources

The Resources page on our website contains a list of hand-selected learning resources that we regularly recommend to both beginners and experts.

[narrow iris]

i think i answered my own question, the place to look for a job where theres a lot of opportunities and little competition is godot

[steep stirrup]

there's a link to the latter on here

yeah

[narrow iris]

its language is GDscript and its very similar to python

[steep stirrup]

its a very niche thing tho?

i had my eyes on godot but feared that it wouldn't scale due to performance implications of using an interpreted language

[low chasm]

does godot have much of a market share

[narrow iris]

theres a discord server that posts paid jobs every couple days with little to no competition for them

[steep stirrup]

yeah but can you really have a stable job in that stuff?

[empty dune]

May I ask what godot is😓

[narrow iris]

the more projects you participate in, the more your portfolio grows

[steep stirrup]

its a game engine

[narrow iris]

its a game engine like unity or UE

[empty dune]

Ohhhh

[steep stirrup]

quality over quantity?

[low chasm]

for most people I'd wager that it's more than fast enough

[narrow iris]

mhm, right now the job im working for is making a super high quality game, having that on my portfolio is gonna get me hired for any project i want to get into

[low chasm]

no individual developer is going to be writing something like a AAA game anyways

[steep stirrup]

yeah, i meant, indie games can do well but none of them large studios would use it?

[steep stirrup]

well, that works great in your favor

[narrow iris]

6 figure budget, gonna be posted on steam, and itll be crazy

[low chasm]

yeah idk if godot has much of a market share at all

[steep stirrup]

dayum

[narrow iris]

its growing a lot though, every year the amount of games published on it doubles

[steep stirrup]

yessir. indie games generally tilt towards unity, right?

[thick osprey]

Games use all types of engines. Indy and publisher driven.

[steep stirrup]

i am not into gamedev, so i wouldn't know much honestly

[narrow iris]

taking a gamble with godot is a much safer bet than trying to get into SWE in my opinion

[low chasm]

why?

[thick osprey]

If you're curious: https://enginesdatabase.com/

Select the type of game, target platform, and other options. There are a lot of choices.

[steep stirrup]

i'd argue otherwise

[narrow iris]

because SWE is only gonna get more over saturated, especially since its so important

[steep stirrup]

wow, cool stuff.

[low chasm]

i mean, we can't predict the future, and I'd wager a lot of those games that godot are using are smaller team indie games (not that that's a bad thing, but most indie teams probably aren't actively hiring)

[steep stirrup]

with the way things are here in my country, I am seeing everyone jump on the AI hype train and no one is picking up core computer engineering.

[thick osprey]

If game design interests you, you would recommend both. You need an income to support a side project.

[steep stirrup]

I'd wager that software engineering would see better days especially since we'd see more founders looking to push their vibe coded MVP to prod

but then, if I knew the future, i wouldn't be broke lol

[low chasm]

i think rather than the two groups being "SWE" and "game dev", there's a lot of different applications for writing code in various different fields, and different types of jobs have different requirements and amounts of people applying to them.

[narrow iris]

im aware there are other opportunities that exist out there, but i dont know of any of them, i came here looking for them but nobody had any to offer

[steep stirrup]

why not expand your skillset then? C++ still has quite a market, and its hard to learn too.

[narrow iris]

i started with c++

[steep stirrup]

tons of startups nowdays

[thick osprey]

That makes sense. We're a place of learning not hiring.

[steep stirrup]

and if you crack DSA, could try FAANG at some point?

could also talk to more ppl, maybe irl, maybe on linkedin, conferences, etc. building a network helps a lot to get some good opportunities

[low chasm]

I see the appeal in trying to target a niche technology to avoid competition, but if there's not a large market, then you've got an issue. If you just want advice on how you can break into SWE, we can give you advice there--plenty of people still manage to do it, even though the state of the market right now is less than ideal.

[narrow iris]

i wish there was a key, like “make these 6 projects over the next year as your portfolio on github and those are the 6 projects companies will hire you for”

[low chasm]

there really isn't something definitive like that--there's no master list of projects that'll guarantee you a job

or anything really that'll guarantee you a job.

[steep stirrup]

its all probabilistic at best

[narrow iris]

im getting so many mixed messages “we can give advice on how to break into SWE” “the advice is, you dont”

[low chasm]

if you've got a degree, a solid resume with experience and good projects, and are doing a large volume of applications, I'd be surprised if you didn't at least get an interview.

[narrow iris]

does a gamedev job count as experience? i could def frame it as “experience in a software development role at a startup company”

[low chasm]

sure, it definitely does.

you can get your resume looked over in #career-advice.

[narrow iris]

i need to remake mine, right now its extremely outdated

[low chasm]

are you still in uni?

[narrow iris]

yeah

i have an associates and am pursuing bachlors

[low chasm]

your uni will probably have resources, but what I've found to be most helpful is reaching out to older students who're in the same position as you, and have succeeded in landing internships or full time jobs, and have them look your resume over and to give you advice.

[low chasm]

if you're still pursuing your degree, you probably want to look for internships.

[green pelican]

you definitely should look for them

i got a job directly out of mine

[low chasm]

yeah if everything works out it could turn into a return offer for a full time position

[low chasm]

consistently sending in applications, and sending in a lot of applications, is also very helpful.

[steep stirrup]

btw, is the general pattern in US for Uni tuition loans?

[scenic blaze]

and crippling student debt, yes

[steep stirrup]

crazyy

[scenic blaze]

You can also try having rich parents

[steep stirrup]

i mean, ig its just a cultural difference

[narrow iris]

i get paid to attend college actually

[scenic blaze]

Nice!

[narrow iris]

like 2.5k in overage each semester

[steep stirrup]

wow

[scenic blaze]

Some people do luck out, but it's definitely not the standard pattern

[steep stirrup]

yeaaaa... its sad ig

but us pays a lot too so

eh

[scenic blaze]

(to be clear, not saying it's just luck, I'm sure hustle is also involved, but you do need luck AND hustle)

[steep stirrup]

understood

[scenic blaze]

US pays a lot but generally to get those amounts you're working in the US and paying a higher cost of living

Oftentimes if US is like... hiring overseas they're paying location dependent wages

[steep stirrup]

if we were to look at purchasing power parity, is life in US still just avg even w higher sallaries

[scenic blaze]

MAny live paycheck to paycheck, yeah

[steep stirrup]

because where I am at, earning 40k USD is already putting you in rich category

[thick osprey]

Many many.

[scenic blaze]

And class mobility in the US is much lower than many other countries. Namely, once poor you stay poor, once rich you stay rich, etc

[steep stirrup]

excuse my language but wtf...

[solemn tulip]

and you have to live in the US *shudders*

[steep stirrup]

oof

[scenic blaze]

Hey, there was recent international polling that still rated the US as a better place to live than Russia!

[steep stirrup]

lol

[scenic blaze]

(But it was pretty close)

[steep stirrup]

i suppose i wouldn't care much

my country is crazy about the american dream, its the gold standard of excellence here

[scenic blaze]

We've definitely worked hard to project that image across the globe

[steep stirrup]

i just feel that the cost of living would far outweigh the earnings i'd make

[thick osprey]

Meanwhile, much of america is trying to remember what that dream was.

[steep stirrup]

lmao

i suppose life is comfortable in east and south east asia

that's my ideal place to live in

earn enough but everything is cheap

[solemn tulip]

relative purchasing power

[steep stirrup]

yesss

ppp - purchasing power parity

[scenic blaze]

local purchasing power is pretty good in a lot of eastern european countries

[steep stirrup]

yea

i live in india, its as lawless as you can get. life's fun here

[scenic blaze]

I've honestly considered moving to Germany. The US has drastically cut medical research funding by the government. The German government strongly funds medical research funding, especially in neuroscience which is my strongest domain

[steep stirrup]

germany is up there on my list, its a good place to be at

i hear it pays fine and the govt provided facilities are nice

[solemn tulip]

and they have trains

[steep stirrup]

ps, in the longer run, eu citizenship can be powerful if you go for it

[solemn tulip]

delayed trains

[steep stirrup]

lmao

[solemn tulip]

but trains nonetheless

[scenic blaze]

hah

[solemn tulip]

for punctuality look a bit further south

[steep stirrup]

japan's the best at trains

[solemn tulip]

debatable

[steep stirrup]

the service and punctuality is unmatched.

[scenic blaze]

I will say that from an engineering standpoint their bullettrains are impressive af

[steep stirrup]

yes

[solemn tulip]

switzerland?

[steep stirrup]

and they run every 15 mins

[scenic blaze]

floating speedy trains

[steep stirrup]

i've not heard a lot of it but is it better?

[steep stirrup]

that's maglev

not your regular bullet trains

maglev is in development

[scenic blaze]

ty for the clarification

[solemn tulip]

lots of focus on punctuality and minimizing transfer times

[steep stirrup]

but is it accurate to the second?

[thick osprey]

How nice it must be to have trains (plural) that go faster than 45mph on any sort of schedule.

[steep stirrup]

they issue apology letters for a 10 second delay i heard in japan

[scenic blaze]

500 km/h on a train is crazy

[steep stirrup]

lmfao, ikrrr

[scenic blaze]

500 km/hr on ANYTHING is crazy

[steep stirrup]

i hear they will open a maglev from osaka to tokyo within this decade

[steep stirrup]

aeroplanes?

aircrafts

[scenic blaze]

yeah fair

[steep stirrup]

i suppose the ability to see the ground up close at that speed is more insane

you've got quite some clearance in the air

ah and the comfort of not being stuffed up into a small seat.

[thick osprey]

Airport security. Any argument for flight over trains is moot for me at that point.

[steep stirrup]

yea

[thick osprey]

I refuse. Never again.

[steep stirrup]

flights are faster at speed but slower if you include the entire process

[scenic blaze]

They keep making those stupid seats smaller and smaller

[solemn tulip]

I mean, it's solid

In 2024, Swiss Federal Railways reported that 93.2% of trains arrived within three minutes of schedule

But the magic of the system kicks in when you have transfers

Synchronized time tables to minimize transfer times, it's neat

[scenic blaze]

That's REALLY nice

[steep stirrup]

its solid indeed, but i'd like to still argue that japan wins the timing game, average delays are under 30 seconds and yes, the time table is also synchronized similarly

[scenic blaze]

You believe that because you've been trained that way

😎

[green pelican]

ive been pretty lucky with my airline security

[thick osprey]

Me, the american, watching in sad humor as the pros and cons of checks notes a delay range of three minutes is discussed.

[green pelican]

forgot my IRC password again good LORD

[steep stirrup]

well, why care right. both systems are solid af

[scenic blaze]

Airline security is..... depending on other contextual information the individual experience will differ wildly

[thick osprey]

Aren't you blue team? Where is your password manager?

[green pelican]

i literally compiled keepass yesterday to store it then forgot lmao

[thick osprey]

absolute junior behavior.

[green pelican]

i thought i put it in some gpg file temporarily but its gone forever

[steep stirrup]

lol

[green pelican]

one time i forgot to add ~80 servers to a vuln scanner group

to be fair percentage wise thats pretty low but

never again

[thick osprey]

That's not bad. They probably had less issues duirng the time you forgot.

[green pelican]

i dont think anyone noticed until they tried to check the status of the server lol

we have remote scanners anyways

[solemn tulip]

it's funny to see the stats in europe, switzerland on the top or very near the top with an asterisk attached, noting that the swiss considers their train delayed at >=3 minutes, rather than 5 which everyone else does

playing on hard mode

[solemn tulip]

the secret lies in not knowing your passwords

[green pelican]

its 16 random chars 🥴

[solemn tulip]

I think the swiss might win some by basically all transport being part of one system, while I think in Japan it's a bunch of separate companies?

[steep stirrup]

i mean, fair point.

japanese companies are a bunch of separate ones but they are super well integrated

with stations being shared by a bunch of companies and the payment scheme too

the transfers on the swiss might be much smoother tho

[solemn tulip]

I enjoy my travel pass covering trains, trams, buses, boats, funiculars and cable cars

[steep stirrup]

yea, they have suica for that

or pasmo.

these two and you are basically covered for everything

except for some special ones where you'd have to take out some cash

[royal tartan]

i just one one single payment option for everything so i dont have to ever think about it

[steep stirrup]

suica then.

[solemn tulip]

cable car as public transit is a vibe

[royal tartan]

unless it costs more

[steep stirrup]

ngl that's true, swiss is a lot of mountains

[royal tartan]

it is a vibe
i like it
i get to take nice pics

[solemn tulip]

and tunnels

[steep stirrup]

yess

japan is also a lot of hilly/mountain terrain but not as much as swiss

iirc, the requirements for the shinkansen bullet trains was so strict that they had to build nearly a completely levelled track

[royal tartan]

still waiting for pommel trains

[scenic blaze]

If I'm on a coding practice site and used to be able to solve hards but am now struggling with easies does that mean I got stupid

Nah I think it just means I need more sleep

[royal tartan]

temporary mental enfeeblement

[scenic blaze]

I'm gonna finish this easy problem even if it kills me (but hopefully it doesnt)

[solemn tulip]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8y9hGofgy9c

[narrow iris]

what about being a full stack web developer

like

as the job thats in high demand but less competition

because its really intimidating, and most people are going into python, ML, and general SWE

[scenic blaze]

I don't know. I don't have my pulse on the market outside of my specific niches. there's also no guarantee things will stay that way even if someone did know. That's a lot of uncertainty and unpredictability right now.

[narrow iris]

my boss told me that the boring but stable and reliable jobs are the ones like full stack and automation

[thick osprey]

That's interesting that your boss thinks automation is boring.

[narrow iris]

like QA automation

[scenic blaze]

I have no idea what will be safe/stable/reliable and I am not sure anyone does, honestly.

[narrow iris]

the non glamorous but stable non flashy jobs

[thick osprey]

Those are some of the more fun puzzles to solve!

[scenic blaze]

No, what I mean is what is stable is a determination that can only be made by looking at trends within a consistent paradigm. But with GenAI we're seeing a massive paradigm shift that is still ongoing. I don't think anyone can confidently claim any aspect of software/tech is definitely safe

[wooden silo]

Nobody can ever say that. But i think it seems pretty likely that transformer architectures aren't gonna replace developers wholesale solely through scaling up, without some kind of research breakthrough

[rustic forum]

meow

im writing a compiler

called it gup :3

[soft violet]

@cinder cape https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/412357430186344448/868147736426451045/romsm.png?ex=696465d5&is=69631455&hm=09d2200022bfdda48fc7bc8911b7822192645b47e73586004e968fc0fcb30632&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=506&height=795 Here's one I prepared earlier. Just because it's an L-system, doesn't mean it can't have stochastic elements to it as well.

You don't have to take every path you can take. Not every path you take has to be taken exactly in the same way all of the time.

Naturalism comes from a conjoining of the procedural and the imperfect.

[cinder cape]

Okay ty

[cinder cape]

But I can‘t use these values right? Like when I have my grid I wanna „translate“ it with bpy to Blender

[soft violet]

You would adjust the seed text, the rules and the specific actions each function takes to suit what you'd want to be doing.

and the number of iterations you use to transform the text

[cinder cape]

Sry I don‘t understand it exactly. Like I said, I‘m a new dev xD

[soft violet]

Think of the code I sent as more of a general framework, than a set approach.

The idea being, you start with text, you have a set of rules you apply iteratively to that text, transforming it per iteration according to those rules of substitution. The end result is read through and executed according to what you specify.

You don't have to use text to do this.

You could probably do this with regular code, too.

[cinder cape]

But how do I create a city with it?

[soft violet]

Do you see how the functions draw lines? Imagine if instead they were changing board position states.

Or imagine if you had a position in your grid that was a bit like that text.

Apply a rule to that position in the grid. What then happens to the surrounding squares?

Apply the rules to all the positions in the grid. What happens then?

How does the pattern grow?

[cinder cape]

Massively xd

[soft violet]

Imagine pouring water into the center. How does it flow? Describe the flow.

But in code, at a cellular level.

[cinder cape]

In every direction

[soft violet]

Talking about cellular automata, now and flood fills.

[cinder cape]

Hm like in the mid is the highest waterlevel and then it sinks? xD

Sry I‘m stupid hahaha

Is there an easier way? Or sth else? I don‘t understand this system I‘m so sorry

[soft violet]

You're not stupid. You're learning.

[cinder cape]

Okay again, like this system replaces a value with other values again and again right?

[soft violet]

Based on my understanding of what you're doing, you'll want to understand IFS, iterated function systems, which is what L-Systems are a type of.

[cinder cape]

Btw I‘m so glad that you‘re helping me

[soft violet]

Fractals in general.

You may wish to study recursive function calls.

Though they aren't the only way to do tree traversals.

iNvErT a BiNaRy TrEe

[cinder cape]

I‘m kinda confused xD

[soft violet]

When I started doing what I ended up calling tiedyes, I essentially assigned positions in a grid to instances of a custom class I wrote, designed to talk to neighboring pixels. I could then grow patterns out from points, like a flood fill.

Maze solving algorithms.

[cinder cape]

Okay?

Sry gtg for like 2 hours, but if thats okay I‘ll write you when I‘ve returned because you are the first person who helps me (a lot)

[warped sentinel]

I support this message

[soft violet]

I mean, if the idea is to draw a map of streets that have branches that have branches, etc, that's very recursive.

[warped sentinel]

Looking at systems like tracery and other grammars might also help shed some light on this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WumyfLEa6bU great talk on the topic

[cinder cape]

okay ty

[turbid heron]

@woeful phoenix dude this is bad i can't focus idk why:(

i used to be able to do sm..

[woeful phoenix]

in general or on the project specifically?

[turbid heron]

idk im silly i just start making things that i think i would want... instead of just focusing on my goals first 💀
for eg rn i was tryna do something and for that i was having trouble finding material from macos finder so instead of spending 3 mins of lookin im spending hours in coding something more "Functional" useful but irrelevent 💀

[woeful phoenix]

that's a good thing imo

[woeful phoenix]

the software world is full of potential improvements, and identifying and doing something about them is not only one of the ways you improve yourself as a programmer, but a part of the point and purpose of being a programmer. to be not just a user of computers but someone who can actually influence and modify them directly.

if you feel like it's too distracting then maintain a list of ideas, so you can file them for later without interrupting your higher goals

[minor ferry]

The software world is full of soft developers

The hardware world is fully of hard developers

[uneven pine]

And I'm in the middle constantly trying to get them to stop arguing and work together

[lyric ridge]

i'm neither 😔

[rustic forum]

changed the look of my language quite significantly

heres the boot sector i wrote using it

mostly assembly cause,, 16-bit mode,, but it gives the point

[heavy trench]

i landed a vibe coder job

[timid latch]

oh nice, so you making a language and writing very low level stuff in it?
thats super cool!

[jovial oriole]

Did you vibe write the resume?

[minor ferry]

good job

[heavy trench]

no I put a lot of effort into the resume

[minor ferry]

strong vibes or good vibes

[heavy trench]

cursor vibes

[queen smelt]

@long ember oe

[torn pier]

been just asked something to few bots over on web and saved outputs along with prompt to that pastebin: https://onlinegdb.com/RwNqPDhPY ("source code" is the prompt and other ones are replies).
which number of bot is the most correct one you think?

[torn pier]

?

what is 6 btw?

[uneven pine]

The best is to stop using AI

[rustic forum]

thank you!

the philosophy of my lang is that it is the programmers job to tell the computer what to do, not the other way around. tools are given to the programmer but the compiler does exactly what you say

hopefully im allowed to paste links but here is an example file im proud of https://github.com/LUNOTA-SOFTWARE-FOUNDATION/gup/blob/master/ref/struct.gup

[timid latch]

That does look rather cool, completely opposite philosophy to what I generally do as well xD

(well I generally lean both ways, big fan of static analysis and good defaults, but also don't like when stuff commits too strictly to a restrictive abstraction)

[green pelican]

this is my type of shit

ive been saying this

its also how i approach offensive security

computers do exactly what you tell them

that simple

[soft violet]

Computers do as they're told.

That's not quite the same thing.

[raw bear]

That saying about getting what you asked for, not what you wanted

[green pelican]

if we're being pedantic

[soft violet]

Programming and computers is all about specifics, isn't that the point?

[young shoal]

your philosophy is about being precise

[solemn tulip]

precise or accurate?

[young shoal]

"computers do what you tell them" sounds like they are precise

[green pelican]

i suppose yes

but like the main point of that is more about how i approach pentesting, you tell a computer to send you a file it will send it to you, you just have to ask in a smart way

its more a philosophy for hacking than programming

[patent sage]

why do I feel like spotify is conspiring to drop bangers whenever I get too in the zone while writing code

[worldly ice]

@arctic gust you just completely ignored the point about the order of the elifs

[arctic gust]

I did ask but if someone answered I must have missed the answer, just checked and the suggestions was to put fullstack at the top so that there was no overlap correct?

[worldly ice]

yeah I told you to try the example I put

[arctic gust]

One moment, I shall try it

[worldly ice]

the problem is that backend will be triggered before fullstack

but fullstack encompasses backend too (IRL)

[arctic gust]

You were correct, with your example it came back as backend, so by moving fullstack to the top I stop overlap

[arctic gust]

I just did the change and yes, it does stop the overlapping by first checking that, once again, thanks for the help and sorry I did miss the help with the order of elif.

[carmine apex]

@stiff robin

sadly discord is not really compatible with the original vertical format

[thick osprey]

Just use a vertical monitor.

[carmine apex]

discord shrinks vertical images to a fixed size though

case in point, this is probably completely unreadable

[thick osprey]

Small but not completely unreadable. Though I have a zoom ratio and a vertical monitor. I'm not the general use-case twice in a row.

[carmine apex]

admittedly, if they didn't, mobile users would probably die of old age before they finished scrolling passed it

[thick osprey]

Do you like the color of the sky?

[carmine apex]

like the outside sky

currently kinda black tbh

[ripe grotto]

It's legible on a horizontal monitor. You may have to open it in the browser to see faded/pixelated text though

Actually, this is VERY legible

[vale raven]

You don’t have an indoor sky?

[carmine apex]

yeah, but who's gonna take the effort to do the open-in-browser, though? i mean i might, but i'm practically an aarp member compared to most discorders

[thick osprey]

Took me too long to find it. I need to fix my sorting.

[ripe grotto]

I feel that way sometimes. Not even a lick of AI, and yet I work on the infra that powers it

[vale raven]

Nice stick

[carmine apex]

hecking light pollution is so bad you can barely see the hecking north hecking star

[thick osprey]

Wanna fetch?

[vale raven]

[ripe grotto]

Okay I'm gonna need to start drinking here. I'm far too frustrated atm

[vale raven]

[vale raven]

Did you bring enough for the whole class?

[ripe grotto]

I have two. I'd buy more if my company paid me enough

[thick osprey]

Of all the artists I expected to have posted for that....

[ripe grotto]

@vale raven I think I'm 4-1 for issues-successes right now. And 3 of those issues aren't even caused by me, and only one of those three I'm going to bother fighting (because I'm not paying money to fix someone else's problems any more, absolutely tired of it).

[minor ferry]

@thick osprey are you in europe unc?

if so have you heard of this game

[thick osprey]

No and no.

[buoyant wolf]

YAll who can help me remove the CD room

Even though I removed all the screws, it still won’t come out

[sinful hatch]

guys is there a game engine that is as easy as scratch but i can make 3d and 2d games just like in unity or ue5?

[left jewel]

"as easy as Scratch" reminds me of Construct, though I haven't really checked that out

[sinful hatch]

looks easy

but it does not look like i can make 3d games in it

[left jewel]

usually you can just wiggle the thing out, don't know about this model, but on the laptop I got, you have to get the keyboard out to disconnect the ribbon cable for the drive, then assuming it doesn't have any additional screws in, you can safely wiggle it.

[buoyant wolf]

I can't move it

That's the problem

I did remove all screws but still

it's an old pc is there any chance it's like about the heat idk

Or maybe dust

[green pelican]

we meet again

[jovial oriole]

"My name is Wang Chuanfu Richard fem, and I am the CEO
of BYD Cars. It is with great enthusiasm that I announce an exclusive giveaway event
featuring our latest and most popular vehicle models. BYD is committed to providing high-
quality, innovative cars that are well-suited for modern urban living" ✌️ 💔 ahh blud

[green pelican]

<@&831776746206265384>

[left jewel]

could be but I doubt it's those things, you've looked at the keyboard yet?

[shell raptor]

!cleanban @stiff zenith scam

[royal lake]

:x: User is already permanently banned (#107826).