ot1-perplexing-regexing

[grave cove]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-thinking-monkey-thinking-think-money-gif-9734025314392564509

[minor ferry]

There is real person named Scaleios in the server

they are a new mom

[loud coyote]

@granite tree Hi

[soft mango]

https://tenor.com/view/subaru-cry-subaru-re-zero-tappei-pomies-subaru-insane-gif-8272485926245749951

[meager sphinx]

no selfies plz

@loud coyote i think (most) parents just want good for their kids , maybe they dont know how to express their love/appreciation properly , maybe they dont "get you" , but i believe their intentions are for you to just have a good future

They are also humans and just like how you might struggle with some things, they might struggle with some

[loud coyote]

yeah

[meager sphinx]

i dont mean to say what you feel is wrong or unjustified , its totally fair what u said and totally valid , but we also have to look at it from the other side

[shell raptor]

Is there some standard way to describe binary file formats? (to humans, not computers/automatic parsers or something like that)
Or is it just: make a long markdown document using informal language? (which is what I'm currently doing)

[left jewel]

I don't think there is such a standard. If I'm writing a spec, I usually just look at the other specs out there and copy them take inspiration.

[shell raptor]

Apparently my markdown document was good enough for DeepSeek to generate a parser on the first try

Haven't tested it on edge cases, but it seems to understand valid files

unfortunately it failed at generating a Rust program, only the Python program worked

The reasoning includes this line for example:

Let me write a small Python script to parse it.
Is that some kind of hallucination? Or does that mean that it's actually writing a program and running it on the server?

[solemn tulip]

honestly, being given a more formal thing would be useful to me as a human

something like
https://docs.werwolv.net/pattern-language/
can be pretty neat to describe a format

[shell raptor]

Are there some examples for this language?

[solemn tulip]

probably somewhere, the docs don't seem to have too complete examples

[solemn tulip]

https://github.com/WerWolv/ImHex-Patterns/blob/master/patterns

e.g. https://github.com/WerWolv/ImHex-Patterns/blob/master/patterns/webp.hexpat

idk which format is an example of a simple format

[shell raptor]

can this language specify JSON?

I don't see it in the list for some reason

[solemn tulip]

probably you could, but it wouldn't be overly useful

the tool is more geared towards binary formats

because it was written for a hex viewer

[shell raptor]

Here's the TLDR of my format:

• the file defines a fixed number (currently 5) of sections (let's call them static, strings, foo, bar, baz)
• the file starts with a magic header and an offset table, specifying where each section starts and how long it is
• the static section defines some fixed fields laid out in a non-dynamic way
• the strings section defines a list of "entries" (consisting of an offset and a length) that point into a shared buffer blob. The buffer is located right after the list of entries. Strings may be empty and may overlap in the buffer (e.g. if you have banana and ban, they could share the same location in the buffer, and the entries will look like 420 6 and 420 3)
• the foo, bar and baz sections each define an array of FooItem, BarItem, Bazitem, each prefixed with a count. Each item is fixed width. Items sometimes refer to a "string" by the position of its "entry" with various validity requirements. A string ID must always be present. Sometimes a string is expected to be valid UTF-8. Sometimes a string is expected to be a valid array of (f32,f32) (i.e.: its length must be divisible by 8)

for some details BazItem is a tagged union

[solemn tulip]

that sounds like something that the pattern language should be able to describe

from what I remember from last I played with it, it can describe things like "at the offset read here, there is a Foo"

I guess for context, the language is made to allow coloring of sections and stuff for ImHex the hex viewer

[timid latch]

Fancy, I just usually throw stuff at serde/bincode (tho I might need to do something custom soon due to a major limitation with them that will cause a lot of disk and memory bloat)

[solemn tulip]

||protobuf||

[shell raptor]

well, bincode isn't really around anymore it seems

[timid latch]

Wait really? I still use it

[shell raptor]

I know I could've just used postcard or something like that, I just wanted to make a fun format

[shell raptor]

there's been some... drama with it

[timid latch]

Does it handle Rc well? My problem is I'm saving and loading a lot of entire which point to a lot of duplicated data, and when it's generated at runtime it uses rc to share that data etc, but serde/bincode just duplicates the rc data for each entry. Which I suppose is kinda fair, but for my use case causes a lot of data duplication

[woeful phoenix]

what's this format for?

[shell raptor]

Game levels

[timid latch]

Which when loaded back into ram also causes a lot of extra ram usage

[shell raptor]

postcard or even JSON would probably be fine for this purpose, the level size will be completely dwarfed by the executable size

but I was thinking of porting my game to some exotic platforms later

[timid latch]

Googled that, that's huh.... Guess I'll switch to serde with some binary format then

[shell raptor]

e.g. if I want to run this on a microcontroller, fitting a level into 10k of RAM and making it zero-copy-ish would be great

[solemn tulip]

You wouldn't get anything for free like with serde, you need to define the structure you are storing. Presumably you would have some repeated field for your data and then have integers to point into it for this kind of deduplication

[timid latch]

Yeah that's what I was assuming, I'll figure something out

[shell raptor]

actually, if I was optimizing for size, it might make sense to lean into variable width stuff. E.g.: it's very common for f32s to be integers, in particular integers that are multples of 6. So I could define some shortcuts for that, idk

[timid latch]

Just wondering, what's your magic header? Something fun?

[shell raptor]

Here's the format description https://github.com/decorator-factory/penguin-game/blob/trunk/docs/level-binary-format.md

[timid latch]

Ah so just a good old what it is header

[shell raptor]

yeah, like PNG

[timid latch]

I went for danger noodle for my recent communication protocol

[shell raptor]

the previous level format is: Rust code generated by a Python script. So any format is probably an improvement

[timid latch]

Btw i really love LDtk for level editing in 2D games, but ofc depends on the project wether you wanna use that

[shell raptor]

it doesn't support arbitrary polygons

[timid latch]

Ah

[shell raptor]

I went with Tiled, which seems alright

or rather, that's the only option besides 1) Inkscape 2) writing my own editor

[timid latch]

Most of my games are grid aligned so was never really a issue for me

[shell raptor]

yeah, people are hesitant to even add slopes sometimes

I can understand why

my physics are low key super janky

[timid latch]

Slopes are easy enough, I generally let LDtk handle their rendering then on the code side I just attach a different collider

[shell raptor]

the only reason the game is (arguably) playable is because it's running at 240 ticks per second

[timid latch]

The bevy plugin makes that super easy

Also btw here's my format https://github.com/Serpent-Tools/serpentine/blob/containerd_rewrite/book%2Fsrc%2Fsidecar.md

This project also has a caching format I need to refactor so haven't documented it yet

[shell raptor]

The sidecar will send a u8 representing the length of the following path
I'd upgrade that to a u16

[timid latch]

Pretty simple thing, generally just magic header, request kind, maybe some metadata, and then streaming binary data for the rest of the connection

[timid latch]

Well we control the exact path generation logic, I think atm it's always around 50 chars so

[shell raptor]

ah

then it's fine

[timid latch]

But yeah not the most complex thing, just a header maybe some simple metadata, and then streaming arbitrary binary data

[solemn tulip]

that's...certainly something

[solemn tulip]

Could make it a varint

That way it would probably be 1 byte in most cases anyway

[solemn tulip]

status update, this test file is now 45k lines

[shell raptor]

Is splitting into multiple files not allowed?

even as an avid small file hater, I admit that 45k may require some design reconsideration...

[solemn tulip]

it's ok, the implementations of the utils are only ~8-9k

I love the "stuff it all in utils" trope

[shell raptor]

don't need a unity build when everything is already in one file

[solemn tulip]

oh, it's not

I see it used in a few places, one file of which is ~6k lines

[shrewd thunder]

Found some of my mother's books from the 80s

[jaunty wraith]

nice!

[obsidian summit]

Wowwwwwwww that’s super cool

[brazen ingot]

https://adventofchess.com/year/2025/day/24

[graceful snow]

!user

[royal lake]

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[graceful snow]

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[timid latch]

@nova wyvern tho admittedly the main package in this project has 392 dependencies, but it also has a good amount of direct deps and does a lot more ```toml
shell-words = "1.1.0"
uuid = { version = "1.18.1", features = ["v4"] }
ignore = "0.4.23"
tokio = { version = "1.48.0", default-features = false, features = ["rt", "fs", "signal"] }
futures-util = { version = "0.3.31", default-features = false }
bollard = { version = "0.19.3", default-features = false, features = ["http", "pipe"] }
async-tar = { version = "0.5.1", default-features = false }
containerd-client = { version = "0.8.0", default-features = false, features = ["connect"] }
oci-client = { version = "0.15.0", default-features = false, features = ["rustls-tls"] }
serde_json = "1.0.145"
oci-spec = { version = "0.8.3", default-features = false, features = ["runtime"] }
prost-types = "0.13"
tokio-util = { version = "0.7.17", features = ["rt"] }
tower = { version = "0.5.2", default-features = false }
bumpalo = { version = "3.19.0", default-features = false, features = ["collections"] }
sha2 = { version = "0.10.9", default-features = false, features = ["asm-aarch64", "std"] }
bincode = "=2.0.1"
thiserror = "2.0.16"
strip-ansi-escapes = "0.2.1"
log = "0.4.28"
miette = { version = "7.6.0", features = ["fancy"] }
ratatui = "0.29.0"
clap = { version = "4.5.47", features = ["derive"] }
directories = { version = "6.0.0", default-features = false }
fern = { version = "0.7.1", default-features = false }
layout-rs = "0.1.3"
ctrlc = "3.5.1"
heapless = "0.9.2"
hyper-util = "0.1.19"

[green pelican]

392???

[timid latch]

transitive dependencies, yes

[green pelican]

wow

[timid latch]

it pulls in the tonic and tokio ecosystems so theres a lot there

[green pelican]

yeah id imagine

[regal verge]

Is this a group for learning Python?

[timid latch]

its more generally a group about python, but yes we are more than happy helping out new learners by answering questions or pointing them towards good resources.

[regal verge]

@timid latch I'm in my first month of learning. I've learned the basics and I'm striving to learn how to organize my thoughts and write code without logical errors.

[minor ferry]

viv

is your pfp someone wearing a mask or someone smiling

[timid latch]

its a robots face

I really should create a new pfp when I find the time

[main sun]

Merry Christmas everyone, Jesus loves every and each one of you, have a blessed day and don’t forget to show love - the thing that keeps us going. Love yall 🫶

[jovial oriole]

💔 this thing is of ZERO HELP 🙏

[uneven pine]

Wow

Nobody could've ever guessed

[tardy rain]

Chatgpt based formatter?

[meager grove]

is anyone exprienced in open cv tommorow is my project pls help

[harsh tundra]

Smart quote from the Internet: lack of planning on your part does not constitute an emergency for us.
You literally joined the server today - why not when the project was assigned? You could've gotten help and did the project when there was still time. But no, you joined today, a day before your deadline...

[meager grove]

it was assigned to me today my friend changed last minute so ihad to do it

andmy wifi was not here it came like 2 hrs ago

[harsh tundra]

What do you mean you had to do it?

Just tell your friend what I told you with lack of planning ;P

[meager grove]

my school told me to do bcuz his relative died i wasnt doing it at first(likethe wholeproject thinggy cuz uk i should study but here i am)

i am close to solving myproblem btw

[harsh tundra]

That sounds weird. Your school told you, on Christmas Day, to do this project with just one day until deadline (which is also a holiday)?

[meager grove]

i dont live in usa or any country where christmas is a big thing btw do you guys open present this night or the next night

it is a holiday tho

[harsh tundra]

You said "cuz uk" above

[willow narwhal]

("you know")

[harsh tundra]

Then how did they assign you to do it when it's holiday? You're not at school, you're not required to check your email/teams/whatever when it's a day off school

[meager grove]

timezones*

exsist

[harsh tundra]

I just love how much time such shorthands save. /s, obviously
Especially since now we're spending even more time explaining they didn't mean a country

[meager grove]

my keyboard is garbage XD thats why

[solemn tulip]

that's yk 😭

[jovial oriole]

i fixed the issue

it took a me while, but i swapped the LF and RF angular velocities each timestep. i put a 1 instead of a 0 on an index

6 hours of my life wasted

[jovial oriole]

"yeah bro, remove the brackets here so the interpreter can do BEDMAS. it'll solve the bug"

https://tenor.com/view/gigachad-chad-gif-20773266

[turbid oyster]

burp exponent division multiplication addition subtraction

bedmas

[gray roost]

I still learning Python slowly but never stop it,

[carmine apex]

why hand-write the code?

[gray roost]

I’m strong and joyful in my journey 🔥

[gray roost]

Due to don’t forgot it

[gray roost]

Nothing stop me only death it can

[carmine apex]

typing it would help memory more i supect. it would also be more likely to show your error

[gray roost]

https://tenor.com/view/elmo-hello-elmo-rise-elmo-hell-gif-3989603362345473118

[young shoal]

that's actually not true

[gray roost]

I know I do it some time on terminal and paper

[gray roost]

Why ?

[young shoal]

well, the first part at least. writing on paper will probably make it harder to find errors

[carmine apex]

surely using a pen or such is not significantly more contributory to memorization of an action almost invariably performed with a keyboard (i.e. without a pen)

[gray roost]

I knew it, but that in beginner only, just for fundamental of Python

[gray roost]

Thank you to your advice.

I love this community, it gives me power to continue my dream before I dead, much appreciated.

[reef goblet]

Before you dead

[soft violet]

"before I die"

"before I am dead"

[minor ferry]

you've killed him

[hard halo]

I assumed they're practicting for a test, a lot of schools and even unis do coding tests on paper

[fossil stone]

Hello everybody.
Please help me.
Head of Infrastructure is Operation function or Information Technology function?

[gray roost]

much appricated Teacher OpalMist

[uneven pine]

Please don't spam the same message to multiple channels.

[gray roost]

use the channel help, do you're question there, then you will find answer

[uneven pine]

That's

That's not

[uneven pine]

It's not a python question.

[hidden raptor]

Yea it sounds more like a #career-advice

[hardy mural]

btw does anyone knows what he is talking about

[hidden raptor]

Any guesses?

I'm guessing he's probably applying for it and wanted to see if his qualifications match

Another guess could be to understand what the role's main duties are

Either more towards operations/devops kinda work or more towards architectural and software development work

All guesses

[cosmic adder]

hi

[uneven pine]

I think the answer is probably largely dependant on the individual role

[grave plaza]

nice handwriting btw

[green pelican]

it appears research is inconclusive but handwriting *may* be better

memory wise

https://www.learningscientists.org/blog/2024/7/18-1

The systematic review resulted in identification of 33 eligible reports containing 42 independent samples and 88 effect sizes, all evaluating whether there are recall differences — almost always operationalized as scores on a quiz given after exposure to lecture material — between participants taking notes by handwriting vs. typewriting, that is, the modality effect. A statistically significant overall meta-analytic average was found g = +0.144 [0.023, 0.265], p = .021, benefiting handwriters over typewriters. This is a small effect; on average, in the typical study typewriters scored about 50% on the recall quiz. The effect size of g = +0.14 translates into an average percent correct of about 57% in the handwriting group. There is some evidence that providing participants with an opportunity to review their notes might substantially reduce the observed advantage for handwriters.

so yesnt, it is better

[tropic ore]

depends on the subject (i.e. almost everytime) but i generally like the freedom of handwriting

i can write symbols and graphs easily and the speed of writing can be solved by shorthand or missing unnecessary letters

on the subject of code though, code should be typed

especially for code in a specific language

pseudocode is fine for handwriting but typing code should be preferred if possible

[reef goblet]

Handwriting is tedious

25 wpm handwriting or 100 wpm typing

Typing wins every time

[grave cove]

You are not going to be typing something like latex at 100wpm for extended periods of time

[worldly ice]

I'm not gonna be handwriting latex very fast either

[reef goblet]

My classes aren’t hard enough for latex

[hard halo]

I've had to do Ocaml by hand a couple times until I finally passed the course

[green pelican]

learn cursive

[reef goblet]

Not gonna make me any faster

[green pelican]

it would

significantly

[carmine apex]

cap

they taught cursive when i was in school

my cursive wpm is probably less than 1

unironically, probably maybe 10ish

[versed rivet]

Hi

Good night

I see you tomorrow

I got to go sleep

[graceful basin]

6 Seconds a word in cursive? I can do like one a second if I lock in

[carmine apex]

so you can never hit a word per second for cursive, then.
good to know

[worldly ice]

the trick is to not give a shit what your writing looks like

[graceful basin]

My handwriting is pretty terrible and I'm not even that fast, it's truly tragic

[low chasm]

isn't writing faster what cursive is for

[graceful basin]

Yup

[green pelican]

if you do real cursive and not what most people do

which is just connect everything randomly

palmer cursive

[graceful basin]

I was taught cursive in school exclusively, and honestly it feels like it could be improved, e and l look too similar, for example

[green pelican]

there are plenty different types

look at spencerian

[carmine apex]

cold take
cursive Qs that look like 2s are incorrect

[green pelican]

😍

[graceful basin]

Both have e and l be the same

Or well, they differ by height

[green pelican]

yeah..

generally if cursive is done right nothing looks too similar to be confusing

[graceful basin]

Which isn't really good enough.

[young shoal]

i guess everyone is doing it wrong

[green pelican]

thats how it works man im sorry

[graceful basin]

Most cursive text is pretty illegible tbf

[young shoal]

i exclusively wrote cursive throughout highschool, and i'm honestly not sure if i'm faster with it

[green pelican]

you also need to learn how to read it

[graceful basin]

There is just more lines per area than the more common scripts

Which makes pattern recognition hard

[cosmic quiver]

I don't think cursive is faster if you try to get the same legibility out of both, and if speed is what you want learn shorthand

[carmine apex]

grew up with cursive in school.
gods i hate it when puzzle games use cursive diaries. like yeah it makes sense in context but can you at least make it so folks can read the thing without spending 5 minutes per page

[green pelican]

lol fair

im just a major calligraphy nerd

[carmine apex]

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/s4I7lBHAnZE/hq720.jpg?sqp=-oaymwE7CK4FEIIDSFryq4qpAy0IARUAAAAAGAElAADIQj0AgKJD8AEB-AHGB4AC0AWKAgwIABABGGUgYihYMA8=&rs=AOn4CLDP-cDdGEgN3j8iQlulN61lWIoehA

[worldly ice]

chatgpt rewrite this cursive text in normal letters

[vale raven]

I have no idea what that says

[carmine apex]

like sure that's getting killed by compression, and being a google images screenshot from a youtube video, but absolutely no

[worldly ice]

man my grandma always writes cards in cursive

I have to ask her what certain words are

[vale raven]

@carmine apex WTF game are you playing?

[carmine apex]

ah fug somebody transcribed it

close, but not quite, though

a profit on the work of others is
distasteful. I find much more
value in the act of creation.
Not that I have yet created
anything, I've only ever under-
stood more closely the world that
is laid out plain for all to
see. I understand why most
find it so diffuclt to find the
substance, The true matter of the
universe for all of the distrac-
tions. These people are not
short sighted, there is simply
too much to be seen.

[carmine apex]

that's from near the ending of the 27th nancy drew game, the deadly device

[vale raven]

Wonder if I have that one

[carmine apex]

as a bonus, there's probably like 10 pages of that cursive stuff

[carmine apex]

"oh yea, i guess i know what i'm doing for the next 30 minutes"

[vale raven]

They made so many they literally don't fit on my screen

Oh yeah there it is in the middle

[carmine apex]

pro tip:
right click -> properties -> customiation -> scroll down to "custom sort name" -> 🥳

[vale raven]

wait what

[carmine apex]

deadly device is labelled internally as Nancy Drew 27 in that box

no funny order

[vale raven]

huh

You spend way too much time on this stuff

I don't even have categories anymore

[carmine apex]

these are in the correct order doggo

not only do i have a ton of categories, i have multiple category types

[vale raven]

I'm saying that's not worth the effort for me

[vale raven]

That's a thing?

[carmine apex]

sorta

you can have membership in as many categories as you want

so i have categories for names per starting significant letter (meanign the game is under G)

and achie progress

[vale raven]

Wow collections are confusing to delete

[carmine apex]

• campaign completed is when a storyline/etc is finished, but the game has no achies
• imperfect means i don't foresee ever getting all achies (multiplayer or dead achies, for example)
• perfect is steam's name for having all achies
• awaiting means storyline is done but a significant amount of achies are still left
• imminent means only a few achies left (for large numbers, probably 80%+ completion)

[vale raven]

Who does perfects?

21% 👍

This was not on purpose

[thick osprey]

I only have two perfects in all my time on steam. I don't think these were on purpose either.

I should replay Thomas Was Alone. I could use a good cry.

[vale raven]

I don't know that one

[thick osprey]

Masterfully narrated game.

[vale raven]

I couldn't get into Subnatica
I'm just floating in the water, and... thats it
gimme something to shoot at

[carmine apex]

[vale raven]

[vale raven]

What do I got for narration?
Have you tried The Stanley Parable?

[carmine apex]

i'm not all that far from 10k achies and a thousand games tbh

[thick osprey]

Yeah, very good.

[carmine apex]

one of these i actually perfected yesterday

"geneology mystery puzzle game" is one of the things that's a lot better than it might sound

[vale raven]

Maybe you should try https://store.steampowered.com/app/1379550/The_USB_Stick_Found_in_the_Grass/

Steam

The USB Stick Found in the Grass

It is a bit difficult to classify The USB Stick Found in the Grass as a game; it is more of a combination of a literary work and a forensic puzzle. If you liked A Normal Lost Phone or Her Story, you will probably like TUSFitG. You are given a virtual representation of a USB stick that was found at a scene of a possible crime and you play a police…

Price

$9.99

I haven't played it yet

[carmine apex]

game reocmmended by doggo
6th image in the buy-me pictures is a cat

[vale raven]

Will be moving all my projects to ChristVer

[teal vector]

My uncle said catholics are a heresy

[carmine apex]

i recognize exactly one of those achies

[vale raven]

I am seething at your pronunciation of that word

[carmine apex]

middle row far left is the russian solitaire thingy from the biopunk zactronic iirc

[solemn tulip]

Most of those are from the same game, human fall flat

[carmine apex]

ah. exapunks. and it's not from ПАСЬЯНС, but the other minigame

[solemn tulip]

hack*match

exapunks

[solemn tulip]

The one achievement missing in that game

[carmine apex]

https://tenor.com/view/alvin-rabies-gif-1068082502464204264

[vale raven]

That would be an improvement over my current look

[solemn tulip]

I automated a solver for the molek syntez one

[vale raven]

Also who gave Alvin rabies??

Avlins a nice guy

[solemn tulip]

That was at least fun compared to playing it

[carmine apex]

rabid dog
heard pydis has one

[vale raven]

huh

where

[carmine apex]

perhaps an ot channel

[vale raven]

[solemn tulip]

*rainbow dog

easy mistake to make

[solemn tulip]

up there with
"naval insurance investigator mystery puzzle game"

i.e. ||Return of the Obra Dinn||

[harsh tundra]

I decided to check my sib's steam and it seems you're more no-life than them with their 16yo account... ~5.5k/55/51% FYI for their profile
Meanwhile I'm a noob with 404/2/59%

[ripe birch]

sib is?

[harsh tundra]

Sibling

Bro == brother, sis == sister, sib == sibling

[ripe birch]

Ah okay

[lament cairn]

in tutorials for deploying self-hosted services with docker, i see some of them suggesting to use a strong password for the database, even though

1. it's only in that service's network (in the case of docker compose)
2. it's not exposed to the internet

if an attacker takes over the side that's exposed to the internet, or even the host OS, it won't matter if a strong password is used since they can just read it
so: why? why change the password for something that shouldn't ever be messed with remotely anyway

[paper sequoia]

Could it just be a habit or best practices when picking a password? Even if it's not exposed

[turbid oyster]

wait till i give you my gtav savefile

[timid latch]

I suppose it's a case of "why not?", like it's easy enough to do and it does add extra security in the rare edge case there is a limited form of rce on the internet exposed part, or you mess up the network isolation down the line, or...

[coral void]

@stiff robin if we want to look at the brighter side, the ability to actually get shit into orbit might revitalize it

Consider being able to have a 1000$ orbital telescope

[stiff robin]

The expense of putting big things in orbit and the expense of maintaining them is high. Ground based astronomy has many logicastic advantages. Not to mention people as a whole rather than the few high profile enormous telescopes.

[coral void]

Yes, but I'm more referring to stuff like cubesats

[stiff robin]

Yeah, but they're toys for the big observations.

[coral void]

The atmosphere is a major observational barrier

I would expect slightly better quality with a different perspective from small space telescopes compared to ground ones

[young shoal]

generally only a few wavelengths can make it through the atmosphere, and even then you need adaptive optics in order to deal with the atmosphere

[quick cipher]

Does discord have a todo list function?

[vale raven]

Some people abuse !remind in #bot-commands

But no, Discord doesn't have a native feature for it

[quick cipher]

If only they did have it I could use that on some personal servers just for saying reminders because with all my coding projects and everything I have todo

[vale raven]

Have you tried GitHub Issues?

[quick cipher]

No I could probably code a command although I would prefer it to be a slash command! Always gives me a headache for some reason I don't know why

[turbid oyster]

the interactions api exists

[solemn tulip]

why does this need to be in discord?

[uneven pine]

You can make slash commands in the discord API anyway

That's their preferred method

[tardy rain]

This doesn't need to be in discord

Theres a billion todo apps

[torn pier]

no, personally i use external sites, like todoist…

[minor ferry]

I use markdown

But I like living underneath my rock

it's quite warm

[tardy rain]

Worm mode

[hidden raptor]

When I think of living under a rock, I think of patrick. That mf is the happiest I've ever seen for not working, and is still surviving as he is and I'm jelly

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-star-smile-hi-gif-12843980

[tardy rain]

We should all be as simple as patrick star

[quick cipher]

Just in general so you can set reminders for yourself because Google keeps gives you a list but it never reminds you when it has to get done you have to set a separate timer

[low chasm]

that's how most reminder apps work

[tardy rain]

Google tasks has reminders

You can set them to recur too

[low chasm]

you can set a reminder, and optionally set a deadline

[shrewd thunder]

I would prefer one that does those, and also allows me to set them into four categories:

• Urgent and Important
• Important but not Urgent
• Urgent but not Important
• Neither Urgent Nor Important

And then put them on a 2x2 matrix for me to see.

[quick cipher]

Google hates me so I'm hoping that they add such functionality to discord so I can use it that way

[solemn tulip]

urgency-importance alignment chart

[wicked haven]

-# As someone currently working on a todo app for themself
what effects would those have?

[vapid nymph]

Look up the Eisenhower matrix

[jaunty wraith]

the Matrix movies as imagined by Dwight Eisenhower

[shell raptor]

I kinda want to learn graphics programming. Any opinion on what resources I should investigate? I am considering one of:

• WebGPU: https://google.github.io/tour-of-wgsl/ and https://webgpufundamentals.org/
• WebGL2: https://webgl2fundamentals.org/
• wgpu (cross-platform Rust library): https://sotrh.github.io/learn-wgpu/

I am a bit confused about the state of graphics programming. Is OpenGL still alive and used by new applications? Is there anything wrong with it?
WebGPU seems cool and shiny but it doesn't work in Firefox on Linux yet. Still it seems like it will be relevant in the near future.
From a brief overview learn-wgpu looks a bit shallow and more of a tour of the library rather than something that would explain the more general concepts. So I might just cover all of these in order?

[uneven pine]

Nothing really uses OpenGL no

Web stuff in general is pretty meh

If you want to learn how it works intrinsically, look into Vulkan

[jovial oriole]

Vulkan is really really complicated

And its not going to be much better it unless you are writing software for AMD gpus specifically

OpenGL has much better performance on nvidia and is much easier to get into learning graphics

[uneven pine]

But it's pretty dried up

[jovial oriole]

it depends

[uneven pine]

And Vulkan is the way forward

I also don't think Vulkan is that complicated

More boilerplate but

[jovial oriole]

OpenGL is alot better to start learning. C++ is used everywhere, still a high learning curve

[graceful basin]

OpenGL is still perfectly fine, and a ton of more Cross-Platform GPU stuff uses OpenGL-like APIs. Vulkan is a bit of a nightmare to get going, but also viable. DX12 is common as well, but very proprietary

[jovial oriole]

Who is running DX12? I thought DX11 was still the windows standard

[graceful basin]

I see it pretty regularly

[jovial oriole]

Guess i need to upgrade

[graceful basin]

It's very different from dx11, and the challenge is adapting to the performance characteristics of the thing

[jovial oriole]

How much more performant is it

In whay ways

[graceful basin]

AFAIK it's pretty much the same as Vulkan, so draw calls are cheaper

[jovial oriole]

Ok

[shell raptor]

do you have a TL;DR of why a new API was created after OpenGL and what its use cases are?

does Vulkan just give more control and such?

[graceful basin]

OpenGL doesn't work like GPUs do

[jovial oriole]

Vulkan is alot more direct to the gpu

[graceful basin]

So drivers have to do a lot of work to make OpenGL efficient

Some say Vulkan also doesn't work like GPUs do, but that's getting a bit too deep into the weeds of it for my knowledge

[shell raptor]

Is OpenGL implemented as a wrapper around Vulkan with modern GPUs?

[graceful basin]

I doubt it

[jovial oriole]

If you wanted to learn web graphics specifically, would webgl or opengl be better to start off?

[graceful basin]

Most GPU manufacturers probably have OpenGL driver code that predates vulkan

Maybe Intel GPUs do this

[shell raptor]

well, as I understand it, WebGL is the OpenGL API adapted to JavaScript

you can't call native code directly in the browser

[jovial oriole]

Ok

[graceful basin]

Yea, webGL is "just" OpenGL, similar to googles ANGLE

Oh, OpenGL also has versions

[shell raptor]

WGSL finally allowed float literals without dots. Enough reason to switch imo

[solemn tulip]

||123e0||

[jovial oriole]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-try-not-to-laugh-gif-7682731162751353849

[shell raptor]

Basically, I have a Rust program that uses macroquad, and for various reasons I want to at least attempt moving to a more cool and shiny set of dependencies while also not bringing in the entirety of crates.io. So far it seems like my options are (glow or wgpu) + winit

[graceful basin]

Ye, that seems like reasonable picks

If it's a full on 3D game it may be worth looking at Vulkan directly IG

[shell raptor]

It's a 2d game and I want it to work in the browser

[graceful basin]

Then probably wgpu

Is wgpu safe-ish?

[shell raptor]

seems like it is, yes

whereas glow is just a bag of unsafe functions

[graceful basin]

Ye, glow should largely just be the openGL API copied as closely as feasible

[shell raptor]

https://github.com/Alex-Velez/raybit

The official (non-official) Brainfuck bindings for Raylib

[graceful basin]

you can't make a bf superset smh

all byte sequences are a valid bf program (outside of misbalanced parens unless you have the weird variants)

[shell raptor]

yeah, it's kinda inaccurate

we need a strictfuck that makes it possible to do extensions

but admittedly +-, -+, <> and >< is a pretty clever extension mechanism

[graceful basin]

yea true

[shell raptor]

I'm currently reading Tour of WSGL and it's a bit uhh circular

https://google.github.io/tour-of-wgsl/variables/var-workgroup/

var<workgroup> declares a mutable variable in the workgroup address-space.

The memory of a var<workgroup> variable is shared between all the invocations of the workgroup, but cross-invocation accesses must be synchronised with the use of atomics or workgroupBarrier().
the tour never explains what a workgroup is so it's very funny to read. It's like "var<asdfgh> declares a mutable variable in the asdfgh address-space."

[graceful basin]

classic

[shell raptor]

Here's a programming language problem: most useful code is in functions. Because programmers like indenting blocks, most of the code ends up indented at least one level. Is there a good way to delimit functions such that that extra level of indentation is not needed? Maybe it's a deficiency of editors rather than a fundamental thing?

[sly vessel]

no

there is no good way to delimit functions

jk lol idk

[shell raptor]

And if it's in a class or other similar thing, it's another level. And if there's a #define or something like that, yet another level

though I think C programs sometimes skip indentation for preprocessor stuff sometimes?

[jovial oriole]

"Ahhh, warm vent" ahh blud🥀

[uneven pine]

What is blud anyway

German?

Apparently not.

[lament cairn]

"What is blud anyway" ahh blud 🥀

[uneven pine]

The children speak an incomprehensible language

[thick ore]

it was originally british slang before the internet picked up on it

[uneven pine]

Slang for what though

I can't think of anything that blud could be short for

At least not in English

[thick ore]

it was derived from "blood"

[uneven pine]

So it's just a misspelling?
Intentionally?
So it's just stupidity?

[thick ore]

it's not a misspelling it's just british slang

and it's what it happens to be spelled like

it's used like "mate" or "friend" informally, like "whats up blud"

[uneven pine]

But that's blood though

Like blood as in family

Like fam

We don't say what's up fæm

We day fam

Because that makes sense

You save one letter and look dumb by misspelling blood :s

[thick ore]

it doesn't really mean "blood" as in family

like how british people say "oh bloody hell"

[carmine apex]

Created in Multicultural London English, of Jamaican origin. Has since spread around England, and thence Anglosphere and online. Claimed to be, via eye dialect spelling, from Caribbean Creole blood (“family relation, close friend”) (compare blood brother). Possibly derived or reinforced from brother; compare bro, bruh, brudder etc.

Derived terms
Diddy blud

[thick ore]

what is this diddy blud doing on the calculator?

[uneven pine]

So it is blood. Yes

Thanks thuri

[carmine apex]

well it might be at least

[thick ore]

it's since broadened from family

[uneven pine]

It's still "blood"

[thick ore]

yes

[uneven pine]

So it's still spelled wrong

That's all I needed to know

I now know I'm just looking at an incorrectly spelled word and not a borrowed word from another language

So I understand the meaning

[thick ore]

it is a misspelling, in the sense that "bro" is a misspelling of "brother"

and the like

it's just informal

[uneven pine]

Thats a shortening though

There's no U in blood

There's a bro in brother.

Nowhere near the same.

[tardy bison]

'ya sure young blud?'

[carmine apex]

how do you feel about the spelling of missus, usually used in a nominative form (i.e. "the missus") a synonym for "wife"?

[thick ore]

a better example might be "innit," short for "isn't it"

both british

[tardy bison]

AAVE has a wide set of established rules as well.

[thick ore]

it's not a formal word but it's used commonly informally

yea

[uneven pine]

ACtually

I'll stand corrected

Blud's from old english

carry on

[shell raptor]

Miss

[uneven pine]

I have been educated

[jovial oriole]

"blud" ahh blud

[jovial oriole]

is blud einstein?

[graceful basin]

Raku has unit sub foo which declares the entire file as one function body.

which is probably not super practical as a core policy

Use larger font sizes for function names

[shell raptor]

Zig has a similar feature but with structs

GDScript too apparently? (with classes)

e.g. https://github.com/zigtools/zls/blob/master/src/DiagnosticsCollection.zig#L26

[royal lake]

src/DiagnosticsCollection.zig line 26

const DiagnosticsCollection = @This();```

[shell raptor]

all the fields above this line are struct members

I'm actually confused why Java doesn't have this from the beginning. Doesn't it have a restriction of one public class per file?

[thick ore]

what the hell

don't tell me zig has some dumb naming convention like Go

why is it mixing snake_case and camelCase

https://github.com/zigtools/zls/blob/master/src/DiagnosticsCollection.zig#L352-L355

[royal lake]

src/DiagnosticsCollection.zig lines 352 to 355

const src_loc = eb.getSourceLocation(err.src_loc);
const src_path = eb.nullTerminatedString(src_loc.src_path);```

[graceful basin]

probably just variables snake_case, methods camelCase

[ripe birch]

I can confirm that is the case

Some variables can be PascalCased tho

Like comptime types (basically generics)

[crystal spruce]

yeah I think that'd be better suited as an editor thing than a language level construct
an editor feature letting you focus in on some function/class and automatically dedenting could be interesting

[rough sapphire]

you either need an end symbol or significant identation or some other kind of recursive start symbol, right?

unless you can do something like define amount of lines on the signature

If you could do anything, you could also use double lines to mark scope ends, or use formatting, maybe every method gets a color, and submethods get a different shade of that color

but i guess on a more abstract level it should be either an explicit end symbol, a way to encode scope in the start symbol, or a way to delimit length of scope on the method's signature

another way would be just going outside the usual text-based thing, and doing something like visual programming does, where each method is a box/card

[turbid heron]

@dapper shell have you enjoyed cooking?

[dapper shell]

i do very very little cooking, why do you ask?

(or, you know, ask a question and then disappear 😄 )

[uneven pine]

Randomly pinging nedbat is crazy

[vale raven]

Is randomly pinging you crazy?

[uneven pine]

not as crazy as nedbat

but it might get you blocked

[turbid heron]

do you find any kind of difference between programming and cooking?

[tardy rain]

Cooking is so much better

You follow instructions instead of give them

And the end result is potentially delicious

[minor ferry]

or potentially dangerous

[turbid heron]

not true:)
you can definiteIy use other ppIs recipe to make software
&&
you can definiteIy use other ppIs aIgorithm to make food

[tardy rain]

Most often you dont tho

[minor ferry]

mar how do you bring ai to your kitchen

[tardy rain]

I walk in?

[turbid heron]

depends on the programmer/chef?

[minor ferry]

how do you vibe code in the kitchen

[turbid oyster]

yeah there's a robot that cooks now

[tardy rain]

I prompt the gf

[turbid heron]

a person who knows his craft couId def come up with something more interesting!!

[tardy rain]

And she cooks

And i annoy her while she does so

[minor ferry]

what model is the gf

claude or gpt

[turbid heron]

are we comparing vibe coding to vibe cooking now? 💀

[tardy rain]

Shes a gpt

[minor ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/grok-grok-chan-my-beloved-gif-696782446709839144

[tardy rain]

Microsoft should have kept the cortana brand name

Fumbled it

[turbid oyster]

she said she was a calculator

[tardy rain]

Wtf is a gemini

[minor ferry]

a gem

I miss cortana

[turbid oyster]

icl I spent peak times with cortana

[solemn tulip]

thermomix has existed for...a long time

[minor ferry]

not really she forced her way into my life and forced her way out

[turbid oyster]

don't question my authority

[tardy rain]

All she needs is the sexy models from the halo games and im going all in on ai

[solemn tulip]

master chief master chef

[minor ferry]

master chef

[turbid oyster]

ones a game and ones another game

[tardy rain]

Master chef your pasta is overboiling

[turbid oyster]

peak

[minor ferry]

peak

vibe coding is something

not good

[bronze root]

FeelsSadgeMan

my scratchpad gpt thread reached message limit lol

[acoustic moss]

whats the limit

[uneven pine]

It's probably a context limit rather than A hard message limit

[uneven pine]

I looked into it and it appears chatGPT does have an 8000 token context limit which is surprisingly low

[turbid ember]

hi. if i want help/feedback on a project, but don't have really any problems that need help at the moment, can anyone tell me where I can go/ask?

[thick ore]

sounds like you want a code review?

make a post in #1035199133436354600 with the code review tag

[turbid ember]

sounds good, thank you

[vale raven]

You what

You keep a single thread for scratch?

As the threads get longer it gets “confused” and context goes out the window

Keeping smaller more concise threads helps a lot with helping it “stay focused”

[lament cairn]

wrangling a llm like it's a 5 year old

[vale raven]

I may have uh… a bit of practice

[lament cairn]

chatgpt wrapped??? wtf

not rewind what is werong with me

[vale raven]

Close enough

[tardy bison]

i was pretty bummed with google's year in review

[thick ore]

243.6k em dashes is insane

[vale raven]

I didn’t even know they had one
What’d they do?

[tardy bison]

usually they compile the top searches & present it a lot better.
this year felt a little too disconnected

[vale raven]

It’s so weird to me to see myself be in the “top 1%” on Discord and Gippity
I only use Discord after work for the most part
And while I’m on and off Gippity all the time, it’s normally a “keep my hands busy” filler while I’m watching some batch process tick through records, so I don’t feel like I’m “on it”

[vale raven]

Everyone’s overall?

[tardy bison]

usually takes trends from trends.google.com but this time it felt like their ai-intellisense or whatnot was overriding the actual intended searches

Here is a direct link to their 2025: https://trends.withgoogle.com/year-in-search/2025/us/?hl=en

[marble bay]

hm, they seem to have been doing this since 2001

interesting

https://trends.withgoogle.com/year-in-search/2001/

[tardy bison]

I saw it for the first time in 2019, theyve continued to gain traction with their videos (especially 2020), but to me it felt less connected this year. it didnt feel as political or as 'hot'

[bronze root]

It's pretty big on gpt5, I've been sending random stuff for months in that thread

[bronze root]

I don't think those ideas need a enpugh thinking for that

But I do agree that I have 9293994924994 other much threads for smaller tasks :')

[cobalt bluff]

#career-advice message
@wooden silo with what?

did yall have react back then?

[wooden silo]

When I started, no

I started with C and QBasic

[cobalt bluff]

what was your motivation?

[wooden silo]

I wanted to learn gamedev, mainly

Since I liked video games a lot

[cobalt bluff]

wow

[minor ferry]

morning

[wooden silo]

Good evening

[minor ferry]

bad evening to you

[cobalt bluff]

first code i've ever wrote was in basic aswell just taking user input i jokingly thought thats how facebook is made aswell and i could do the same

but i wasn't surrounded by very techy ppl so i wouldn't know

[wooden silo]

I didn't meet any other techy people until I got into high school

[cobalt bluff]

then i tried python in 2022

[wooden silo]

Which was like 6 years later

[cobalt bluff]

this is was high school for me tho

[minor ferry]

I'll probably never ever meet another linux user irl

[tardy bison]

go to coffee shop
they always sit by the window

linux users are always on the go, search planes

[cobalt bluff]

do you still write C for fun?

[minor ferry]

i have done some coding at the coffee shop before

himm

perhaps a bigger coffee shop next time

[cobalt bluff]

i don't think i could code when people are like on dates around me or just yappin

[wooden silo]

Nope

I mainly write Python for fun

[minor ferry]

I wish I could code and game somewhere with better vent

[cobalt bluff]

i think i should just start applying for jobs

[cobalt bluff]

r u in your late 30s?

[tardy bison]

sometimes i post up in my local coffee shop and just do chess puzzles. always a fun vibe

[minor ferry]

dem is unc

[wooden silo]

Yes, I'm 37

[minor ferry]

unc

[cobalt bluff]

is that supposed to funny or insulting? 😭

[minor ferry]

insightful

but he is a good unc

he never tell us to pick our self up by our bootstraps

[wooden silo]

I'm not an uncle yet, my brother doesn't seem interested in having kids

[cobalt bluff]

does he code

[wooden silo]

He does, actually

He's also a professional developer

[cobalt bluff]

for living?

[wooden silo]

yep

[minor ferry]

he's the head dev

[cobalt bluff]

what line of work tho

[wooden silo]

We're both in fintech

[cobalt bluff]

lol

[minor ferry]

The stone cold Steve austin of money tech

[cobalt bluff]

you referred him to your boss or smth?

[wooden silo]

I think he got a new job recently though, I don't remember what exactly

[wooden silo]

No, we're at different places

[tardy bison]

i remember when my sister came out of the closet:
"Mom you won't get any kids from me but onedisabledfromprinterfromhell will knock someone up in the 7th grade"

[wooden silo]

And different types of fintech

[minor ferry]

?

[cobalt bluff]

he ain't in finland?

[wooden silo]

Did you?

[wooden silo]

Neither one of us is

[cobalt bluff]

lemme guess

[wooden silo]

But I meant he's at a different employer

[tardy bison]

Nah I invested in a smart doctor

[cobalt bluff]

wiat you're not in FINlland 😭

[minor ferry]

the last time I was in a class room I saw girls I knew since kindergarden 6 or 7 months pregnant

that was sure something

[tardy bison]

the rise of DINK

dual income, no kids

https://tenor.com/view/fairlyoddparents-dinkleberg-gif-4141833

[minor ferry]

Antinatalism verse Natalist.

People are not allowed to make pragmatic decisions about children

it either

https://tenor.com/view/nihilism-meseeks-pain-depressed-depression-gif-9538527

or

[tardy bison]

I couldn't take 2 strokes off my dad's golf & he definitely suffers as a result

[minor ferry]

there is not a sfw gif I could send

[cobalt bluff]

is there something that couId read me whoIe chat?

or just unread ones?

[tardy bison]

I usually just leave servers muted to avoid notifications & then open the channels im in most often

[cobalt bluff]

wym?

i need it to read me the whoIe chat

[tardy bison]

As in audibly read you or just mark as read?

[cobalt bluff]

yeah

[tardy bison]

oh I see what you mean now, the speak message lol

[cobalt bluff]

Iooking at screen for too Iong is bad

aIthough its voice is not as naturaI its robotishh + i have voices for everyone in my head anyways:<

[wooden silo]

Might legitimately spell the end of civilization as we know it

Because https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ufmu1WD2TSk

[young shoal]

@terse harbor

[jovial oriole]

Six sept?

[jovial oriole]

Japan is cooked too

[wooden silo]

All developed countries are, to a lesser or greater extent

[minor ferry]

what's an africa anyway

[wooden silo]

South Korea is just the country that's in the worst situation

[minor ferry]

what exactly is this rest of humanity anyways

[jovial oriole]

🙏🥀

[cobalt bluff]

have you ever bee struck with a doubIe decker bus?

[jovial oriole]

Mr philisophery here

[minor ferry]

at what point the does humanity end and the rest of the world begin?

[cobalt bluff]

what about russia?

[wooden silo]

I didn't say humanity will end

Or even civilization as a concept. Just civilization as we know it.

[cobalt bluff]

who?

[minor ferry]

semantics then I should of read the of A civilization

[cobalt bluff]

is there a movie about it?

[minor ferry]

2012

[cobalt bluff]

tom cruse?

[minor ferry]

never watched that movie never will

[cobalt bluff]

why IoI?

[minor ferry]

I don't touch anything live action with dwayne the rock johnson

not since the wwe

[cobalt bluff]

you can't predict when the worId wiII destroy

[minor ferry]

not past 2010

[cobalt bluff]

maybe it wiII be 2012 maybe not

[wooden silo]

I think Russia is actually extra cooked because all their young men are dying in the war.

[cobalt bluff]

maybe in 2013 we never know

[minor ferry]

🤣

[cobalt bluff]

??

[minor ferry]

al Gore lied to use

[wooden silo]

And their economy is a post-apocalyptic wasteland.

[minor ferry]

he promise newyork city would be underwater by 2020

he was wrong and if he was right it would of been the cleanest the city has been in dedcades

[cobalt bluff]

are they... what about ukraine then?

[minor ferry]

I don't think the war is that bad for em, But I did not know russia assembles armies the same way europe used to back in the fucking 13 century

[tardy bison]

RU's meat grinder is much different than Eisenhower's.

[cobalt bluff]

and what way is that 👁‍🗨 👁‍🗨

[tardy bison]

RU's meat grinder is just young men being thrown to the front.
You eventually run out of those resources (& heroin).

[minor ferry]

feudal army

[cobalt bluff]

👁‍🗨 👁‍🗨
👃
👄

[wooden silo]

Ukraine is also taking a beating, but on a much smaller scale than Russia.

[young shoal]

no

[minor ferry]

I recall either nations capital being effected yet

[wooden silo]

The relative losses are much greater on the Russian side.

[cobalt bluff]

not even like accidentally fall on one?

or a ten ton truck?

[tardy bison]

Nothign makes me cackle more than when top brass in RU gets replaced
i.e. fall out of a window

There was a list somewhere of leading RU officials who have fallen out of windows lmao

[minor ferry]

they just don't make windows well in that country

[tardy bison]

windows by Conor Clapton

[main herald]

So guys new year has come for some happy new year, how has this place been over the years?

[uneven pine]

It's had ups and downs

The best times were back around 10,000 members imo

[main herald]

youve been here early?

[minor ferry]

The good old days are over

[uneven pine]

I was here for a very very long time yes

[minor ferry]

did you know him

guido

[main herald]

i do remember the early days joseph was a true guy

[minor ferry]

do you remember when lemon was activate

I've never seen him speak in a normal channel

[main herald]

no ive been not around only in the early days of this server

[uneven pine]

now I'm wondering if it was 10k members or 100k members, it looks like I joined in 2020
though I swore I was here earlier on my previous account, but my first messages suggest otherwise.

And yeah I do remember lemon being around.

[minor ferry]

PRIME LEMON?

[main herald]

he surely is doing background work you just dont see him there is always a staff channel :)

[wooden silo]

I miss lemon, he's a nice guy.

[tardy rain]

Hes still here no?

[sinful shard]

is he still alive?

[wooden silo]

I mean, he's not active like he used to be. I think maybe I've seen him speak once in the last several months.

[harsh tundra]

Several messages 24d ago, then 3m ago

[carmine apex]

is the relative date stuff mobile-specific?

[minor ferry]

damn we acted like bro was dead

[carmine apex]

bro is dead
joe killed him

[minor ferry]

you know who else is dead?

[carmine apex]

that's not what i expected

[minor ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/muscle-man-you-know-who-else-my-mom-regular-show-funny-gif-9101122073397073314

did you expect this

[carmine apex]

i expected an epstein reference

[grave cove]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-ishowspeed-side-eye-ishowspeed-stream-really-bro-speed-side-eye-gif-15294067925031808124

[sinful shard]

Eleven because the duffers can't write a storyline to save their life

[fathom musk]

Ladies and ladles

Today is the 1st day of the new year

And

I've broken my arch installation

🥂

(caelestia sucks ass)

[muted trail]

Is that sure, since it does seem to be nuanced?

[jaunty wraith]

great start to the year

[ripe sentinel]

https://gate.rotur.dev/c2whFIQ
someone with time on there hands make a runner in your most proficent lang

[thick ore]

the code is centered??

and... are you asking people to implement your language for you?

i reckon claude or chatgpt could do it

[ripe sentinel]

not well

[ripe sentinel]

and i cant code in any rlly usable langs well like python or java

[ripe sentinel]

that was an accadent

[uneven pine]

Chaotic evil programming

[sinful shard]

Yh but more ppl should have died like will is connected to vecna and feels the same pain so why didn't he die when vecna dieddd

[muted trail]

I thought Joyce would have been a suitable candidate to die, she would have caused enough emotional response and impact, without hurting the fan base too much

[turbid oyster]

https://media3.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExd2JhbnczeXI2aTFjY3Rxc3A5ZzdlM2JzejhocGJpazJtcDVuaHlleSZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/y8WsLlFzbqhaURTSQY/giphy.gif

[low wraith]

I'm working on a TCP server in Go, there's a bunch of different packet types I need to parse, and I have unit tests for each one. When I wrote it, I initially was planning on using websockets, however decided to change to raw TCP.
The new function signature for the parser is as follows:
func Parser(conn *net.Conn) (*common.Packet, error)

The initial signature was:
func Parser(conn *websocket.Conn, stream *bytes.Buffer) (*common.Packet, error)

The new signature doesn't have to be that, it just made the most logical sense to me. The parser needs to be able to read from the TCP stream since packet lengths are dynamic.
Originally in the unit tests I just made an empty websocket.Conn and passed in a stream. What would you guys recommend be the method for adapting either the Parser, or unit tests to work with this new setup?

I suppose I could abstract away the net.Conn.Read so it can read from either a network connection, or byte stream.

Also some more background, the only methods from net.Conn the parser uses is net.Conn.remoteAddr(), and net.Conn.Read(), so both of them can relatively easily be abstracted away

[thick ore]

Yeah I would suggest using only the interfaces you need

And make a mock impl for tests

[acoustic moss]

!cleanban 708149848163090442 spam

[royal lake]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied ban to @heady lance permanently.

[sleek apex]

Hi all, I just started learning python yesterday via the codecademy python 3 course. I've never really been good at math, but a lot of the intro material is math-related, so I'm struggling a little bit. Learning lists atm and just asked the AI learning assistant what was wrong with my code and I got this:

Guys, I'm gonna break my monitor, I swear

Alright, back to lurking.

[minor ferry]

bye

[echo crypt]

you dont need to know much maths while learning a programming language in general. You just need to know arthmetic operations and knowing basic algebra will also be very useful. Also I wouldn't recommend AI to complete beginners because they don't know how to use them correctly as its very easy to misuse. I'd recommend you to stick with whatever course you're doing and when you get stuck, feel free to ask in this server #❓｜how-to-get-help

[sleek apex]

Oh, I wasn't trying to overestimate the abundance & difficulty of math in coding basics, I was understating my math ability. I am absolutely terrible at it, but only because it's a skill I've never really practiced (I was a big knucklehead in school). Feels as though I'm learning to drift a car without ever having learned to drive a stick shift lol.

[minor ferry]

where you the head of Knuckles

[sleek apex]

The king, perhaps. Certified class clown, and my grades surely reflected

[minor ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/knuckles-the-echidna-sonic-the-hedgehog-paramount-sega-red-gif-13853273004085339177

[echo crypt]

Don't worry, its common for beginners to face such problems when starting out. Just keep practicing and you'll get the hang of it

[jovial oriole]

"Instead of doing vx += sin(st)+cos(st) you should be doing the proper rigid body rotation vx += sin(st)+cos(st)" ahh

[thick ore]

soooo what does this mean

[jovial oriole]

You should swim there and get back to us

[uneven pine]

We need a scientific answer

[echo crypt]

Crocodiles don't swim there, obviously

[uneven pine]

Does this mean
A) there are crocodiles and you shouldn't swim there
B) there are no crocodiles that swim there
C) crocodiles are not allowed to swim there

[echo crypt]

Maybe they forgot a comma

Corcodiles, do not swim here

Any ethical crocodile would read that sign and turn back so I don't see any problem

[thick osprey]

Absolute tumblr dialog

[lament cairn]

Crocodiles! Do not swim here

[solemn tulip]

Crocodiles do not. Swim here!

[solemn tulip]

D) There are crocodiles, but they aren't swimming there

[kindred sand]

Maybe Crocodiles!Don't swim here

[wooden silo]

or E) Crocodiles are advised not to swim there for their own benefit

[turbid heron]

@round pendant do you stiII do competitive programming?

[low wraith]

I have a project I'm working on that uses both Redis & Postgres. I also have a github action to run unit tests, however I'm wondering what the best way to go about that is when it needs a redis and postgres instance. During development I've just been running both locally.

Speaking of unit tests, suddenly a completely random test is failing... fml

I <3 git bisect

[sly spire]

are you familiar with mocking?

the goal with unit tests is to be as pure as possible, test some portion of code that has no dependencies. when those dependencies exist, you want to write "mocks" that return some predetermined value. that will allow you to test only the unit, no dependencies

sometimes you do want to test your unit and your dependencies, which is called an integration test. I think the best bet for Postgres and Redis is to spin up a docker environment. Have to be careful to reset the databases after each test

https://github.com/marketplace/actions/docker-compose-action

[sly spire]

note that these tests are time consuming. you might want to put them in a separate manually triggered stage of your tests. even better, run them locally so you know it'll pass

https://github.com/nektos/act

[low wraith]

I haven't heard the term mocking, but it sounds like what I was already doing. These tests I need to run are testing that some database utility functions work properly.

[low wraith]

Perfect, and I have used act before because I hate the fact github actions loves to document all of my failures 💀

[sly spire]

https://docs.python.org/3/library/unittest.mock.html

looks like python has a builtin which is awesome

[nova pine]

yeah python has a builtin: builtins.pyi

[thick osprey]

I would avoid unittest.mock and pytest.monkeypatch if it's possible. As stated above, to launch an actual instance of a database. Mocks are useful but also giant footguns.

[dapper shell]

you can also look into testcontainers: automatically managed docker containers for services you need

[marble bay]

Solving for AI, we can see AI = 0

[bronze root]

Okay but does it mean A = 0 or I = 0 or both

[shell raptor]

Who's Al and why is everyone so excited about him?

[crystal spruce]

I've heard he's weird

[kindred sand]

Who are y'all talking about

[worldly ice]

Weird Al Yankovic

[kindred sand]

Ohh

[wooden silo]

I. e., if there is intelligence, it's not artificial, and if it's artificial, there's no intelligence.

But of course, there's also regular old human stupidity, where both are 0.

[royal tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-ocean-pensive-thinking-sad-gif-27364531

such wisdom

[heavy trench]

What language did cavemen think in

Before language

[fringe rain]

probably not language but visualizations

and communication was via gestures

[kindred sand]

Ooga booga ooooo aaaaa aaah

[wooden silo]

We ourselves often don't think in language.

Some people report having an inner monologue and others report not having one.

And even the ones that do usually don't always think in words.

[rough sapphire]

language is symbolic

the way we write is not really our language, is it?

[wooden silo]

It's a representation of language.

[rough sapphire]

no yeah i do not mean the literal symbols

[lament cairn]

so called A so called I

[lilac oracle]

Xd

[minor ferry]

I know ai

I knew a couple of actual indians

[jovial oriole]

???

[uneven pine]

I need to get some cute outfits

[tardy rain]

For what

[uneven pine]

I'm wearing black pants with a black sweater and a pink camo jacket LOL

[uneven pine]

In general, but like, for going out

[tardy rain]

I hate black clothes

Stop that shit

Had to buy some black things recently for a funeral and its just ugh

Depressing

Color good

[uneven pine]

I've been a depressing person for a very long time

[tropic ore]

my entire outfit is black because my mom didn't want stains to be seen easily

[tardy rain]

😭😭😭

[uneven pine]

Like all my pants are blank because I had to have them for work and I couldn't afford extras.

Black*

But now I work at a place that doesn't care

[tropic ore]

i had to negotiate for a lighter color on my backpack too, but it ended up just being gray..

[uneven pine]

I wear my furry shirt to work xD

[tardy rain]

Pants are not as bad

But black bottoms and tops?

[uneven pine]

Yeah

I wanna get cute things

[tardy rain]

The people here in the uk love their black and dark grey

And then they wonder why theyre so depressed all the time

[uneven pine]

I got a huge paycheck coming with holiday pay from Christmas and new years

Going up get a few outfits

I never cared about fashion or anything until recently

Now I'm going on a date and I realize man I really need a better wardrobe lol.

[tardy rain]

Crop tops all the way

[uneven pine]

I am not confident in my body for that.

[tardy rain]

😔😔

Do it anyway

[kindred sand]

Good luck 🍀

[uneven pine]

Thanks haha

I had to restrap the watch

The leather one was too big for my girly arms

So I swapped the NATO strap to it

[kindred sand]

Hmm

[kindred sand]

Hit gym trust me

[real moss]

i dont even have a watch

feels like am poor

[uneven pine]

I need to. I wanna get some tone on my abs

[real moss]

nah am lazy

[uneven pine]

But I'm really REALLY self conscious about being a trans woman in a gym Especially around where I live.

We're not a super LGBTQ friendly state.

[kindred sand]

U can try calisthenics with some minimal equipments

At home

[uneven pine]

Yeah I'll figure something

Especially now that I'm really feeling better mentally and physically

[frigid shadow]

Hi

[wooden silo]

I mainly work out with dumbbells at home cause I can't be arsed to go to the gym

They're very flexible and easy to store

[minor ferry]

gentlemen

[uneven pine]

Someone noticed and commented on my watch today :3

[minor ferry]

*watches

next time they will compliment you on all your watches

https://tenor.com/view/watches-rich-the-kid-no-loyalty-bling-bling-grooves-gif-17942754

[uneven pine]

No

[minor ferry]

Reconsider.

[uneven pine]

No.

[minor ferry]

aun

[uneven pine]

Нет

[minor ferry]

why not

[uneven pine]

Dumb

[cobalt remnant]

I had a bunch of trouble with my laptop constantly picking the wrong resolution when connected to my dock. I ended up fixing it by enabling GPU bypass in the bios settings. So now my NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060 with Max-Q Design (discrete) doesn't have to go through the Intel® UHD Graphics (integrated).

I can even run at a higher resolution/refresh rate now.

laptops suck when this isn't enabled

[worldly ice]

cool

[cobalt remnant]

I used to need this dance when starting my laptop.

1. Start pc, resolution is all messed up
2. Open screen so the next step doesn't make it go to sleep
3. Unplug dock so the monitor disconnects
4. Replug the dock to a different port, making the system rescan the monitors.
5. Close the lid, wait for the screen to rearrange.

Now when I open and close the lid, it's seamless

For reference, my monitor's aspect ratio is 32:9. It would get messed up by setting the aspect ratio to 21:9

I can even set my monitor's screen size to "auto" and it just works

Dang, hybrid sleep still doesn't work

[vale raven]

You fix this by turning off all additional sleep states

sleep is for the weak

[cobalt remnant]

I'm using S3 sleep. Hibernation also works.

[vale raven]

I trusted you

[left phoenix]

https://tenor.com/view/look-at-my-watch-gucci-mane-poppin-song-iced-out-bling-bling-gif-21875547

Bro after complemented

Diamond watches are fire

[uneven pine]

Diamond watches are gaudy

[minor ferry]

Vote

Democracy is only when i win

[craggy herald]

so if i Vote the uparrow am i accepting the fact that diamond watches are gaudy or is it the inverse

?

[minor ferry]

up is guady

DOWN is demoracy

VOTE FOR democracy

[craggy herald]

ok so I made the right choice

[craggy herald]

sorry I'm not a helldiver

[uneven pine]

Also frankly

Smart watches are kinda gaudy too. Expensive, useful sometimes ( but even I'll admit I barely use mine to its full potential )

But overall more of a money symbol than anything unless you're really REALLY making use of it all

I use it to track my heart rate primarily as I have some heart conditions that I like to be aware of.

But I could do that with a watch that costs 1/10 the price...

[craggy herald]

yes but I don't think it would be as accurate as a watch that costs more, unless you buy a watch that it is specifically made for monitoring your heart rate

[uneven pine]

I mean, heart rate monitoring is a solved problem and it's pretty cheap

I'd trust just about any of the normal little fitness watches

[craggy herald]

I don’t fully trust the cheap ones to be accurate all the time.

[wooden silo]

I have an old fitbit that's not even supported by the official app anymore for tracking my heart rate when I run, and it's basically all I need.

[uneven pine]

^

[craggy herald]

I would say its more for style than as a money symbol

[uneven pine]

When your style costs $500

It's a money symbol

[craggy herald]

yes true,

[uneven pine]

And the pro is even more expensive

[craggy herald]

well thats just apple being apple

[uneven pine]

Only reason I got it is the massive discount because I bought the iphone 16 pro

And the trade in of my pixel watch

Which I got it for half price because I got it with the pixel 6 pro

[lament cairn]

I find it incomprehensible that people wear and carry expensive gadgets so openly

Here if you show up with one of those fancy smartwatches youd get robbed instantly

[craggy herald]

well I was looking at the Nothing watches cuz they are just soo minimalist

[uneven pine]

I cannot abide by ow ass tech.

Slow*

Plus battery life on the high end models

The watch is just a bonus, really. Does have some things I like

Such as making calls if something happens to my phone...

Which i have made use of once when my pixel 6 pro got dropped and shattered along with its case

And once when my charger broke and my iphone was 3%

Soil turned it off

My $50 backup phone CAN do all the basic things I need daily. It's a 2024 Moto G Play.

It's just slow and miserable.

Wait half a minute for a web page to load miserable

[craggy herald]

well me personally I hate apple products except for there macbooks

[uneven pine]

I used to

But then I started using them

My m4 MacBook pro was the gateway drug

[craggy herald]

its just to overpriced but I don't have any problems with there product but its there price

[uneven pine]

When my pixel 7 pro (less than 6 months old) had total hardware failure, after my pixel 6 pro had the GPS chip die

Samsung was the only company making a really attractively specced flagshio

And they were more expensive, and I hate Samsung's bs

All the flagships are $1000 anyway. iphone 16 pro was the same price as the pixel 10 pro through Verizon

I'm paying $5.36/month for 24 months on the 16 pro because device trade-in and the grandfathered upgrade plan from 2017

Verizon also just straight up gives me anything I ask for. Perfect payment history since December 2017 non-stop

On a family plan with multiple lines

Like the trade in for the apple watch on top of the discount for the apple phone. You're not supposed to be able to stack those but I just called and said "hey been a customer for 8 years can I have this" and they're like "yeah sure done"