ot1-perplexing-regexing

[bleak maple]

I should make some Galois-group meme clock

[mossy mango]

jeebus

[bleak maple]

The highlighting in this is baffling to me haha

Not the color choices but the distinctions

[mossy mango]

I think it has a different color for class docstring

you mean the way it highlighted the stuff in the unquoted docs?

I guess keyword are blue and builtins are yellow maybe?

[bleak maple]

Like, why is file: underlined but not arguments:?

[mossy mango]

lol good question

it might have choked because so many things were wrong

[bleak maple]

Any Aussies around to decode this for me?

[plush sun]

I think that's Polish

[bleak maple]

But that's a wombat right?

[plush sun]

I don't know what a wombat looks like, but bober is "beaver"

And that does look like a beaver

[bleak maple]

Aha, that makes more sense then.

Polish make good AK-47s, good stuff.

[tardy rain]

.wiki wombat

[median dome]

Wikipedia Search Results

Wombat
Wombats are short-legged, muscular quadrupedal marsupials of the family Vombatidae that are native to Australia. Living species are about 1 m (40 in)

The Wombats
vocals, keyboards), and Dan Haggis (drums, backing vocals, keyboards). The Wombats released several EPs before working on their first full-length album Girls

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[turbid oyster]

how'd you keep yourself motivated?
this is a weird one but hear me out
think about project
find project too hard to do
do it anyway
lose motivation
play cs or roblox for 5min only to to ragequit
work on project again

[turbid oyster]

kurwa is polish!

[upper flower]

I just thought that yeah this isnt going to be easy and im gonna get stuck for sure but i find it fun to get stuck in a problem and having to solve it. thats the actual fun

theres no fun in a project thats just too easy

i think u should lower ur expectations. some people often think that a project thats out of their comfort zone will be "slighly" hard only and when its way too hard they lose it

[mossy mango]

I was watching a Tesla documentary and it said Trump's uncle was involved in discrediting Tesla

how insane is that?

also that the government followed him around, eavesdropping and stealing his drawings and writings when he died

how do people get so bad? why can't people just be good and not have their whole lives consumed by greed. we have a conscience. we all want the same things. truly remarkable the lengths people will go to in order to stop any intellectual progress from being made.

[tardy rain]

We should beat rich people up more often

[mossy mango]

https://tenor.com/view/bubu-bonk-bubu-dudu-gif-8932107540415697346

Part of it might be that the big oil interests wanted to suporess tesla's electric car idea

[thick ore]

are we still talking about the same tesla

[mossy mango]

Nikola Tesla

the documentary said he was coming up with electric cars and the oil industry was obstructing

[solemn tulip]

we all want the same things
maximizing financial gain by all means?

[wooden silo]

The kinds of people who become ultra-rich are the kinds of people who are motivated by profit maximization beyond all other considerations.

It's the anthropic principle of greed.

[upper flower]

yes

[bleak maple]

https://fuglede.github.io/llama.ttf/

[vale raven]

A what

[bleak maple]

A yes.

(TrueType fonts are virtual machines haha)

[vale raven]

I can not accept this

[willow narwhal]

See also https://beza1e1.tuxen.de/articles/accidentally_turing_complete.html

[thick ore]

apples tech is so good man

like the purely technical aspect

i love how their hardware and software are tightly coupled

and their (albeit proprietary) integrations that allow devices to communicate with each other seamlessly

[solemn tulip]

referencing tom7 is a good sign of sillyness

[bleak maple]

https://vxtwitter.com/backslashvarphi/status/1978278054737641850

\varphi (@backslashvarphi)

superconducting tech is so good that we can make magnetic field sensors that have resolution of the flux quantum - the best resolution that quantum mechanics allows us to have. we put this sensor (called a SQUID) on a tiny tip that and move it around with piezoelectric crystals.

vxTwitter / fixvx · Oct 15, 2025, 1:53 AM

[mossy mango]

This is amazing

trying to remember what the application I saw implemented with templates was

[sharp jasper]

we have one of those in my lab at work

[solemn tulip]

fb keeps suggesting someone I knew as a friend suggestion

but the reason for the "knew" is because they aren't alive anymore

so that's an occasional awkward reminder of mortality

[tardy rain]

fb can close profiles if you provide proof of death, like an obituary or something

It turns them into memorial profiles or whatever theyre called

I get some of these too occasionally, on fb and linkedin

[bleak maple]

I recently found it helpful actually that I can "tag" a deceased friend on LinkedIn, because a bunch of us remember him fondly etc.

So yeah "memorial profile" is probably a useful model

[timid latch]

I have succesfully gotten my build/ci tool to actual run some ci stuff 🎉
this is just a very simple MVP of running clippy and type checking on its own code base
-# caching etc to come...... wish me luck

rust = Image("rust:latest");
def WithSource(container) {
    return container > Copy(".", "/app") > WorkingDir("/app");
}

clippy = rust
    > Exec("rustup component add clippy")
    > WithSource()
    > Exec("cargo clippy");
spelling = rust
    > Exec("cargo install typos-cli")
    > WithSource()
    > Exec("typos");

export DEFAULT = !(clippy, spelling) Noop(0);

[bleak maple]

How about this! https://www.preposterousuniverse.com/podcast/2025/07/28/323-jacob-barandes-on-indivisible-stochastic-quantum-mechanics/

This is the shiznit

Or this, which is the other shiznit https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQjmO77wyQo

Or this! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIyjaCwbYXQ

Any of those three IMO is a whole career you could have

[alpine tusk]

I don't think forwarding pings the user whose message you forwarded

[bleak maple]

Oh right I have to repeat the @

@dense pilot See links above for "cool stuff" IMO.

IMO the "p-bits" stuff is going to explode in the next 3-5 years.

As usual with being early, people think you're crazy etc, but...

[dense pilot]

thanks

[bleak maple]

WTF is a "metroidvania tabletop role-playing game with QR code interactions"!?!?

[wooden silo]

Plausibly sounds like a good time

Metroidvania means you have a semi-open world where you have to find items and abilities to open up other areas, right?

Kinda odd for a TTRPG but I guess it's not impossible

QR code interactions certainly is a mysterious feature for this kind of game

[bleak maple]

Yeah, the QR code part doesn’t sound like my thing but the rest sounds amusing. I may back it haha

[wooden silo]

I can't tell if it's my thing or not because I can't quite fathom how it'll work

[bleak maple]

Yeah, I’m not sure I have the right RPG friends for it, but I do want the “Steel Chair” d2 “die”

[wooden silo]

Mine would definitely be up for a one-shot at least

[alpine tusk]

peak youtube comment section philosophy

[mossy mango]

I think I've asked essentially these questions in ot2

it was a pretty interesting discussion as well iirc

[severe laurel]

did 2010 tron really bomb? 🥺 i loved that movie

[bleak maple]

Yeah I believe it lost money. Was super expensive to make

[carmine apex]

Tron:

The film was a moderate success at the box office

for a worldwide gross of approximately $50 million,[1] which was Disney's highest-grossing live action film for 5 years.[47]

In addition, the film had $70 million in wholesale merchandise sales.[47]

Despite the gross and merchandise sales, it was seen as a financial disappointment, and the studio wrote off some of its $17 million budget
Tron Legacy:
It was a modest commercial success, grossing $409.9 million during its worldwide theatrical run against a $170 million production budget
🤔

[fringe rain]

if $170,000,000 was the budget including everybody's salaries, where do the profits go?

the producer's pocket?

As in, once all the salaries and props are paid, what happens to the 409 - 170 million bucks

[carmine apex]

tron ares looks to be trending similar to legacy tbh

given data from two reddit comments - from 8 years ago and 3 years ago - the tldr for an american movie appears to be

• ~50/50 of domestic to studio/movie theaters, respectively
• ~25/75 from china
• ~35/65 from rest of world
  theaters get a bigger slice the longer the movie is in theaters, and negotiate this length with the studio.
  distributors cut into this, taking around 10% of the total, but frequently the producer and distributor is the same company

[bleak maple]

Aha, I stand corrected

[carmine apex]

people who work on the movie get paid during production, and a cut of post-box office sales (running on tv, physical media, etc), called "residuals". neither of those two comments mention streaming, and it appears there may not be a solid rule about residuals therein

[jolly flicker]

do they still get paid if it loses money?

[carmine apex]

yes

[fringe rain]

50/50 of domestic to studio/movie theaters, respectively
is the 50/50 for the profits distribution?
movie theatres get paid by profits? so they dont get paid anything if there isnt any profit?

also i thought movie theatres pay the studios to run the film

also what does money going to the studio mean, is there like a cesspool of profit money that every company has under its name
and it doesnt go to anybody's personal pockets, but the ones on top can control and use it for future endeavors, like the production budget of the next movie

oh there's a link

https://www.reddit.com/r/boxoffice/comments/11dtxqt/comment/jaat43p/

[mossy mango]

my script to dump a data symbol from any kind of elf file (program, object file, .so lib)

I see that it does output two NULL bytes (^@) there tho and there's only one in the source code.. wonder if it should only output 1 NULL

unless there's something about C that I'm not understanding and it's supposed to have two NULLs

[bleak maple]

C automatically appends the null terminator to strings, you don't need it literally there.

[mossy mango]

oh

I didn't think it would since it was a static array for some reason

[bleak maple]

I think it's a property of the literal string format, rather than caring about the LHS etc.

I'd have to read the spec to be sure.

[mossy mango]

that kinda makes sense

would it be legal to declare it as a char[5]

#include <stdio.h>

char hello1[] = "hello\n";
char hello2[] = "hello\n\0";
char hello3[6] = "hello\n";
char hello4[6] = "hello\n\0";

int main(void) {
  printf(hello1);
  printf(hello2);
  printf(hello3);
  printf(hello4);  
  return 0;  
}

apparently I only get one warning for this

it does print 4 hello

hello3 and hello4 have no newline OR null character in the symbol data

I wonder why it stops after the hello

wait, no, they must have a newline

[crystal spruce]

yeah that makes sense

wait

nvm no it doesn't

[shell raptor]

string literals in C always have an implicit null terminator

[ripe birch]

i was looking for a solution regarding 3 vectors on stackoverflow and everyone is presenting their solutions except 1 guy whose answer starts with "V1 is a red herring, stop thinking about it"

[shell raptor]

btw, printf(some_dynamic_thing) is usually a bad idea, should be printf("%s", helloN);

[ripe birch]

are you running this on android or wut? /sdcard is interesting to look at

[wheat summit]

Have anyone made ChatGPT Apps? using newly released official SDK from OpenAI

[solemn tulip]

it's not implicit

[solemn tulip]

hello3 is UB
hello4 is the wrong number of characters

or well, hello3 will be UB if you try to use C stdlib string functions on it

in itself it's not UB, you could use it in cases where you pass pointer + length

[shell raptor]

why?

you don't write \0 yourself, that's what I meant

[solemn tulip]

that's more of a happy accident because of zero initialization

[shell raptor]

Maybe it's different in C, but this is what the (draft of the) C++ standard says

After any necessary concatenation, in translation phase 7 (2.2), ’\0’ is appended to every string literal so
that programs that scan a string can find its end.

[solemn tulip]

oh, for literals yes

right

[solemn tulip]

my lsp does complain about this the third one

[solemn tulip]

I guess in that case the case above is just UB from writing out of range

[mossy mango]

yeah in termux

[ripe birch]

so a folder named src in /sdcard
you put your code files right in front page of the file manager?

[mossy mango]

tcc also prints all 4 hello w/ same warning

basically all my source code that I wrote I try to keep in /sdcard/src because sometimes I blow away termux's data

if I need to run something I need to be in the Linux filesystem though because you can't execute a file in sdcard

that's why here I'm in ~ instead

[mossy mango]

yeah that is what gcc and tcc gave me I think

[mossy mango]

my one off source files I put in misc under src

it's decently organized

I spend basically all my time in either /sdcard/src or ~/src (usually for compiling and running executables)

[mossy mango]

I'm curious why it "works" anyway

shouldn't it not see a null Terminator

[solemn tulip]

the memory is probably likely to be a zero, but no guarantee

[mossy mango]

I guess this is a good case for that thing that randomizes memory

undefined behavior sanitizer?

not sure how to run that though

[sharp jasper]

clang -fsanitize=undefined

you might also be thinking of valgrind, which is a separate tool you can run regular binaries under, but it works differently

oh, I don't think valgrind works in this scenario, though

[mossy mango]

ooh

[alpine tusk]

I read that as hellno

[mossy mango]

address sanitizer found something

if i only do undefined it doesn't halt for some reason

couldn't get the memory sanitize to work

oh it works with clang and that aborts too

clang gives a lot more warnings

it suggest not using the string as a format string like fix was talking about, that's good

I wonder which one it failed on

[sharp jasper]

well, in fairness printf("%s", hello3) still has UB (but wouldn't trigger -Wformat-security)

[mossy mango]

actually I'm not sure if it even executed anything

it seems to call sanitizer::Die before it even calls main lol

[mossy mango]

why wouldn't it?

yeah the sanitizers are fooked up

they abort even with simple hello world code

[bleak maple]

Can you, like, mlock() the region of memory just after all of your strings automatically, I wonder?

Really though this is a job for an Information Flow Control (IFC) library.

In Rust I’m eventually working on an IFC macro crate that uses what’s called “type-guided sanitization”, where it’s a compile time type error to pass an unsanitized input to a function that isn’t a sanitizer.

(Some papers call this “coloring”, some “tainting”, etc)

[acoustic moss]

have u read parse dont validate

https://lexi-lambda.github.io/blog/2019/11/05/parse-don-t-validate

[bleak maple]

Yes and I agree with it for sure

But to me it’s talking about runtime not compile time

So it’s a great thing to compose with IFC in my mind

[mossy mango]

just got back was messing with valgrind

#include <stdio.h>
#include <string.h>

void check_str(char *name, char * str) {
  printf("\x1b[1;32m"
    "%s = \"%s\", length: %d\n"
    "\x1b[m", name, str, strlen(str));
}
void main(void) {
  char hello1[] = "hello1\n\0";
  char hello2[5] = "hello2\n\0";
  char hello3[6] = "hello3\n\0";
  char hello4[7] = "hello4\n\0";
  char * strings[] = { hello1, hello2, hello3, hello4 };
  char name[16];
  for (int i=0; i<4; ++i) {
    sprintf(name, "hello%d", i+1);
    printf("check_str(name=\"%s\", ...):\n", name);
    check_str(name, strings[i]);
  }
}```

it seems like hello1 is ok

line 5 is the printf, I don't think it's the strlen

[bleak maple]

Valgrind is so great (note the official pronunciation), and it’s cool how good Zig is at integrating with it

[mossy mango]

it's really cool I've not really used it before

[bleak maple]

(It’s a wolf, not a thing that grinds “vals”)

[mossy mango]

so it's pronounced "wolgrind"? 🐺

[bleak maple]

Haha sure!

Should have been, that’s funnier

Or grindwolf

[mossy mango]

I'm imagining it's like German

[bleak maple]

But the grind, more seriously, is like “grin”

[mossy mango]

VOLE grind

[bleak maple]

It’s Nordic

V is an actual V sound like English

But it’s “grinned”

[mossy mango]

then it's not just the regular way you would expect to pronounce it?

[bleak maple]

“Vahlgrinned”

[mossy mango]

ohhh

[bleak maple]

No, everybody thinks it’s “val-grind”

[mossy mango]

that's crazy, never knew that

well i will say it correctly with a hint of smugness from now on

[bleak maple]

(Mythological guardian wolf thing as I recall)

[bleak maple]

Please do!

[mossy mango]

https://tenor.com/view/valgrind-valgrind-my-beloved-linux-gif-2281497711575183631

[bleak maple]

You are now better than those other people.

Forever.

[harsh tundra]

So normal pronunciation, instead of trying to read it like English (ie guess because English doesn't have actual pronunciation rules and even similar words can be read drastically different because of different etymology, even though they later evolved further in English itself...)

[mossy mango]

nordic or norse

[bleak maple]

Yeah, English has “rules” but there are so many of them you have to understand the full etymology of everything to really apply them, and 99% of people just rely on memorizing each word separately

[mossy mango]

can i have it print the line of code?

[bleak maple]

Actually I was misremembering, it’s not a wolf, it’s the name of the gates of Valhalla, so Old Norse https://pantheon.org/articles/v/valgrind.html

Grimnismal is cool, I should read it again

https://pantheon.org/articles/h/hlidskjalf.html I should name some eBPF observability tool after this

[sharp jasper]

just saw this
basically, -Wformat-security flags on any non-literal format string passed to printf, because that's very often a mistake. But it doesn't do any more sophisticated analysis. It's complaining here because the string is not a literal, not because it's unterminated.
(And there are legitimate use cases for unterminated strings, which is why there's no default warning for char hello3[6] = "hello\n";.)

[mossy mango]

3 errors in context 1 of 2:
 Conditional jump or move depends on uninitialised value(s)
    at 0x488E7A8: __GI_strlen (memcheck/../shared/vg_replace_strmem.c:506)
    by 0x49162EF: __printf_buffer (stdio-common/./stdio-common/vfprintf-process-arg.c:435)
    by 0x4917127: __vfprintf_internal (stdio-common/./stdio-common/vfprintf-internal.c:1544)
    by 0x490CCC7: printf (stdio-common/./stdio-common/printf.c:33)
    by 0x108857: check_str (/sdcard/src/misc/test.c:5)
    by 0x10896F: main (/sdcard/src/misc/test.c:19)
  Uninitialised value was created by a stack allocation
    at 0x108864: main (/sdcard/src/misc/test.c:9)


 3 errors in context 2 of 2:
 Conditional jump or move depends on uninitialised value(s)
    at 0x488E768: strlen (memcheck/../shared/vg_replace_strmem.c:505)
    by 0x10883F: check_str (/sdcard/src/misc/test.c:5)
    by 0x10896F: main (/sdcard/src/misc/test.c:19)
  Uninitialised value was created by a stack allocation
    at 0x108864: main (/sdcard/src/misc/test.c:9)```

check_str line 5 is call to printf and line 7 is call to strlen I think 🤔

why does it say conditional jump or move?

is it because it depends how long it will keep reading the string looking for the null Terminator?

[mossy mango]

ah I see

[sharp jasper]

yep

[mossy mango]

interesting.. so if you declare it was the exact length of the char array with no Terminator it's okay

but less than that isn't

[sharp jasper]

yes, there's specific wording for that in the standard iirc

[mossy mango]

are there any things I could have done better with the code? besides not having undefined behavior of course lol

[sharp jasper]

char hello[] = "hello\n"; is equivalent to char hello[7] = "hello\n"; just for the record

(i.e. the terminator is included)

[mossy mango]

wait really

oh yeah

[sharp jasper]

sizeof should tell you as much

other than that, the code is more or less too trivial to critique

[mossy mango]

fascinating 🐺 I prefer the wolf version tho

[mossy mango]

ok

it's pretty impressive it knows that the value was coming from the stack allocation at that line and that it there was something uninitialized even though it ended up being ok

[sharp jasper]

I mean, it's still UB, I wouldn't call that "ok"

[mossy mango]

well true haha

I guess I was thinking it would print a bunch of jibberish

ended up "appearing to work"

[sharp jasper]

one could argue that it did, and the jibberish it printed was by happenstance an empty string

UB is fun

[mossy mango]

i was trying to figure out a way to break it in a way that was more obvious

but I couldn't manage to

tcc is really cool, it has a -run argument that runs your code file and all the compilation and linking is done in memory so it never even executes a child process or writes a temporary file

wait what

i get a different result with tcc and it DOES screw up badly

[sharp jasper]

I feel like you're probably less likely to get nonsense from this kind of thing due to two factors. (1) the string length isn't a multiple of 8, so there's likely to be padding around it anyway, because the stack has to be aligned; and (2) the stack is "fresh" when you enter this function, so there's no junk data lying around to accidentally read; it's probably initially all zeros.

[mossy mango]

length 12, 18, 25??

[sharp jasper]

ahh, looks like tcc is jamming the strings right up next to each other, so point (1) doesn't apply

[mossy mango]

but the compiler is still producing valid code ?

it's still conforming

[sharp jasper]

it is producing code, but the code it produces has UB when run.

[mossy mango]

@bleak maple look at the difference I got with tcc

[sharp jasper]

the compiler is conforming, but the standard imposes no rules on what the program may do

[mossy mango]

just in a more obvious way due to valid but different implementation choices of tcc vs gcc I guess

[sharp jasper]

yeah.

[bleak maple]

Compiler interpretations of what to do are super fun

[mossy mango]

it's so vastly different

[sharp jasper]

it's "valid" from the compiler implementer's perspective.

(worth noting, a conforming compiler may also detect the UB and emit system("rm -rf /") instead; that would also be valid.)

[mossy mango]

i wonder if it's trying to save more memory or something? maybe it has a different alignment than gcc for the stack variables?

[bleak maple]

Just having a different default allocator or stack-management approach can reveal exciting differences

[mossy mango]

i was saying how tcc -run is cool because it compiles in memory and then jumps into the program

that's what it looked like in gdb at least

[vapid nymph]

Mrow

*hi all

[mossy mango]

even got its own little memory and bounds checker

it's a tiny little thing probably took 5 seconds to compile all of tcc

[mossy mango]

hry

[mossy mango]

yeah, didn't think of that

I guess in this program there shouldn't be any dynamic memory allocated tho?

or is there some done implicitly

I'm not completely sure but I thought it just moved the stack pointer down by the size of the object like the strings array i had

does anyone know about debugging assembly in gdb

i don't think it's printing the right disassembly

seems like it should be some kind of jump instruction

or branch

(this is arm64 i think)

[woeful phoenix]

what does check_str look like, in source code

[bleak maple]

Is -O0 set? As in, no optimizations?

[mossy mango]

void check_str(char *name, char * str) {
  printf("\x1b[1;32m"
    "%s = \"%s\", length: %d\n"
    "\x1b[m", name, str, strlen(str));
}```

[mossy mango]

oh mb not, lemme try

[sharp jasper]

doesn't running up mean you're no longer looking at the stack frame with the problematic instruction

[mossy mango]

the way I tried to stop on the error was break on _tcc_backtrace

that was the first function I found that seemed to kind of stop at the right place

lemme try with making a proper executable

yeah I don't think that approach is working

0x7ff... doesn't look like a real code address

0x7fffffe960

the rest of the code addresses are like 0x4148f4

[bleak maple]

Could be a “tagged pointer”

[mossy mango]

maybe lldb?

[bleak maple]

As in, the value is packed into the “address”, and it’s not a real memory pointer

[mossy mango]

it gives a different looking stack

just two entries

[mossy mango]

so half of it is not the address maybe?

or it's like masked in the pointer or something

[bleak maple]

Or just none of it. Integers small enough in Ruby are stored just as memory “addresses” that you never need to deref

[mossy mango]

even if they would normally be an actual pointer?

note lldb doesn't show any addresses like that in the stack

i wonder if it's a gdb issue

it does better if i do tcc -run from lldb

no invalid packed pointer looking address things 🤔

oh wait look at the value of the f argument

I wonder if that's the frame pointer

(lldb) p/x 549620815120                                        (long) 0x0000007ff7f41510```

that's "pc"

in this error backtrace func

it looks like there's is such a thing Aarch64 Tagged virtual address
https://docs.kernel.org/6.17/arch/arm64/tagged-pointers.html

could be one of these

sorry for all the spam lol

[bleak maple]

No worries, I haven't touched this stuff in a while, it's probably good to stare at it.

What does Godbolt's decompiler site say?

[mossy mango]

hmm

[bleak maple]

https://godbolt.org and https://dogbolt.org

[vale raven]

dog

[mossy mango]

dogbolt works?

[vale raven]

dog always works

[mossy mango]

how is it not letting me type or paste

[bleak maple]

dogbolt is the decompiler, godbolt is the compiler-output-viewer

dogbolt wants a binary uploaded

godbolt wants text source code

[mossy mango]

in waterfox or chrome on mobile

(godbolt)

[bleak maple]

Really? Has always worked for me

[mossy mango]

do you mind doing it?

#include <stdio.h>
#include <string.h>

void check_str(char *name, char * str) {
  printf("\x1b[1;32m"
    "%s = \"%s\", length: %d\n"
    "\x1b[m", name, str, strlen(str));
}
void main(void) {
  char hello1[] = "hello1\n\0";
  char hello2[5] = "hello2\n\0";
  char hello3[6] = "hello3\n\0";
  char hello4[7] = "hello4\n\0";
  char * strings[] = { hello1, hello2, hello3, hello4 };
  char name[16];
  for (int i=0; i<4; ++i) {
    sprintf(name, "hello%d", i+1);
    printf("check_str(name=\"%s\", ...):\n", name);
    check_str(name, strings[i]);
  }
}

oh wait

what are we trying to do?

I'm not sure what you wanted me to look at

[bleak maple]

https://godbolt.org/z/eWEh5Mxjq

What I'm saying is that this is the canonical easiest way to see what different compilers/flags/etc will do to the code that is generated

You change stuff on the right-hand side and it changes the emitted instructions etc

[mossy mango]

where do I go to get the assembly

[bleak maple]

Scroll right

[mossy mango]

oh cool

what's that huge number on line 30

that's insane

!e print(hex(2869104397280616))

[royal lake]

:white_check_mark: Your 3.14 eval job has completed with return code 0.

0xa316f6c6c6568

[mossy mango]

that can't be an address

!e

print("\x0a\x31\x6f\x6c\x6c\x65\x68")

[crystal spruce]

olleh

[royal lake]

:white_check_mark: Your 3.14 eval job has completed with return code 0.

001 | 
002 | 1olleh

[mossy mango]

wtf it's hello1 backwards LMAO

[crystal spruce]

probably endian stuff

[mossy mango]

ooh yeah that would make sense

hello1 isn't in the code

is that an optimization thing?

[crystal spruce]

what's the code

[mossy mango]

here

it's only got "hello%d"

[crystal spruce]

wdym it's the first line of main

[mossy mango]

in terms of string literals

[undone granite]

char hello1[] = "hello1\n\0";

[mossy mango]

oh forgot that was in there lol

I can't figure out how to disable optimizing on godbolt

I'm wondering if that's an optimization

instead of having it in a data block

[round pendant]

-O0 is the default

[swift portal]

what is the connection between anime girls and cybersecurity?

[bleak maple]

tl;dr, 4chan

(It's more-nuanced than that but that's the non-wall-of-text answer.)

the next-shortest answer is "Serial Experiments Lain"

[swift portal]

dang

[bleak maple]

Lain is the real answer

https://www.scrmbl.com/post/serial-experiments-lain-yoshitoshi-abe-gallery

[harsh tundra]

https://www.amazon.com/Manga-Guide-Cryptography-Guides/dp/1593277423
But they also have other IT guides

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Manga_Guides and apparently also other sciences and maths

[mossy mango]

oh

ok

i wonder what it does if the string doesn't fit into an instruction

I'm making a script to build from scratch given a git repo URL, supporting autotools and cmake

so far built dwgrep

ugh why do some projects force -Werror and they blanket enable all the compiler warnings

if they add a new warning it'll break

[mossy mango]

there's a lot of different little quirks though like elfutils will make you rerun configure with maintainer mode the first time, then you need to run it again with another option..

I wish there was just 1 standard build system that everyone used

then there's cmake projects and ninja projects I think? idk if ninja is separate or just a cmake output, it's been a while

[vale raven]

Ninja is the build system
CMake is fancy Make -- it invokes the build system

[mossy mango]

ah right

why , GNU ??

[vale raven]

oh that stuff goes way over my head

[mossy mango]

got GNU'ed

[mossy mango]

why would you specifically require aclocal 1.16

who? why?

[vale raven]

What did I just say?

/lh

[mossy mango]

you don't need to know what it does

it's just like a thing that copies stuff around

is like saying "grep 7.1.2 not found, abort!"

[wicked haven]

You can usually just make a symlink

[wicked haven]

Try running autoreconf -f -i first

[vapid nymph]

@frozen crane do you know html well?

[frozen crane]

Nope.

[upper flower]

scarycus lol

[rough sapphire]

What is this channel name… broth is meat milk wtf lmao

[bleak lintel]

I believe the statement to be correct

[mossy mango]

i did autoreconf -fiv i think

it might have been a really old git repo

[bleak maple]

This is a really cool package, sadly needs updating to support 3.13 or 3.14, working for me on 3.12.12.
Just getting my first script that uses this working, powerful technique: https://github.com/giotto-ai/giotto-tda/
(TDA is "Topological Data Analysis")

I may try to get it rolling on 3.14 later

[vale raven]

I was all ready to jump in and help until I realized it was all C code

Packaging is my niche but C be the way of dragons

[bleak maple]

This is pretty computationally-expensive stuff, it would be interesting to see how painful it was in pure Python

(Input image and analysis result from giotto-tda)

I found this image on Twitter and wondered how it was generated.. I'm new to TDA, but I think "3 channels of Perlin noise, {Red, Green, Blue} mixed together" maybe?

The Y-axis is the "number of topological features" at that intensity level (0-255) or more in the image. The blue line is the count of "connected components", the number of distinct "islands" of color there are.. the red line counts "loops" or "holes", the voids that are between the "connected" parts. In this image I guess the "holes" are the brighter parts "trapped" by the darker areas.

(I think that's right, at least.. brand new to TDA.)

By comparison..

[solid pollen]

It does look like that

[rough sapphire]

why are you inerested in it?

[swift portal]

alright I'm convinced

[bleak maple]

Not it exactly, but when I saw it, it reminded me of data in a model or a data structure, and TDA is about helping you understand what the data has going on.

[brazen ingot]

chris for godsake hasnt changed

[frozen coral]

This is slander

[echo crypt]

lies

[modern tinsel]

33?

bruh

[thick ore]

why do "outer" tech circles like kali so much

every time i see someone ask for distro recommendations on insta or threads or whatever, at least one person is gonna say "kali"

[woeful phoenix]

it has a reputation of being the cool hackerman distro that you should install, among people who don't actually do security work

[woeful phoenix]

I'm curious as to what you mean by "outer" though. is it like saying "casual"?

[thick ore]

Yea I think so

I mean I hope what I'm saying doesn't come off as elitist

[solid pollen]

This is such a true and real and based take

[vapid nymph]

I know one person who does do security work who uses kali so like I mean

[woeful phoenix]

It's genuinely useful as a live distro, or so I hear
Not as your primary desktop operating system

[languid cargo]

I thought kali was intended to be installed on clients for pentesting, not so much for creating security hardened servers (I'm sure it's possible to secure, it's just news to me if kali comes out of the box like that)?

[languid cargo]

I would even argue using Kali as your server OS distro is a bad idea. Part of security is defence in depth, from multiple layers, the principle of least privilege, and reducing the attack surface, removing the possibility of attack propagation and escalation. In particular, we should not install unnecessary potentially vulnerable, attackable software and services that we don't need. I mean OK, if an attacker gets access to root on the host OS, that server's pwned whatever you chose. And full fat versions of Ubuntu for example, come with a lot of widgets too. But why on earth would a cloud/network admin elect to install an entire suite of hacking and pen testing tools on a server on their network, that they most likely don't need, that all have their own supply chain, that are ready installed and configured for any hacker who gets access to them?!

[jovial oriole]

Jupiter egg

+32g

Tuna maxxing

[vapid nymph]

ah yeah fair fair

i would never run kali normally

[uneven pine]

Bro it's okay to eat something else.

[frozen pumice]

@lyric sonnet after gaining a hundred elo I have come to request a rematch

I am at 1200 elo now

[worldly ice]

Careful of mercury poisoning

[jovial oriole]

Ppl keep telling me that

[jovial oriole]

I do eat other things🥀🤞

Tuna is every couple of days or after a workojt

[worldly ice]

ok that's fine

light tuna 2-3 times per week is not harmful

[stark prawn]

Doesn't it build up, accumalating over time

[uneven pine]

It does yes. Your body does pass it out though. It's just very slow at it

[turbid oyster]

insta is filled with skids

[harsh tundra]

r/Masterhacker regularly has screenshots from insta and tiktok skids

[turbid oyster]

@thick ore told you

[turbid oyster]

https://youtu.be/DTQkiCBg17A

what is this 😭

[bleak maple]

It sucks that point of sale systems say “Card read OK”. It should say “Card read real good”

[jovial oriole]

You dont dictate my diet

Blud is trying to pull a starmer

Im gonna eat 7 cans this week out of spite

[bleak maple]

https://scrandle.com/

[worldly ice]

That's fine from a health standpoint. It's not an opinion. Just what the research says.

[worldly ice]

Tf is that

[noble crypt]

Keir Starmer?

[worldly ice]

no idea who that is

[noble crypt]

a big wig in Uk national politics

[jovial oriole]

What is this

[jovial oriole]

1984 ahh guy

[bleak maple]

What it says on the tin?

[jovial oriole]

?

[turbid oyster]

keir stalin

[rough sapphire]

Chris is the best liar

[turbid oyster]

tyson

[soft violet]

I had a dream I installed Windows 95.

Don't ask. I don't know.

[carmine apex]

@vale raven guess what i have

proof!

[vale raven]

edited

[carmine apex]

your comment just now, you mean

[bleak maple]

OSR2 or earlier?

[latent scaffold]

wait... people love XML?

[bleak maple]

Stockholm Syndrome. pre-XHTML HTML was such a nightmare, having something with a bit more regularity was considered worth it etc.

[warped sentinel]

yeah. It's superior to json

[latent scaffold]

blaspheme

[bleak lintel]

to be honest I have used more XML over the last couple of years and I really don't hate it

https://github.com/sibprogrammer/xq is such a great tool that makes it a whole lot nicer to work with

[noble crypt]

he looks worried in his profile picture

[latent scaffold]

that does kinda look like a mugshot tbh

[noble crypt]

What has he done, what has he seen

[bleak maple]

"It's comin' right for us!"

[thick ore]

bros looking at me like its my fault

[vale raven]

Why do my texts have ads now??

[turbid oyster]

bro

are we deadass rn

WhatsApp of all things

you're a femboy and an npc

[vale raven]

Wow

Thanks?

[turbid oyster]

welcome, fellow WhatsApp user

[vale raven]

A specific group of friends uses it
I also have SnapChat for that 1 friend that just _refuses to pick up the goddamn phone _

[turbid oyster]

I havent heard of Snapchat since like

[vale raven]

We have an Australian client that uses WhatsApp for business purposes

[turbid oyster]

2019

[vale raven]

good
It’s a shit app

[thick ore]

have you tried the whatsapp fragrance

[turbid oyster]

Of course it's an aussie

[turbid oyster]

Have you seen noel too

[vale raven]

Do I even wanna know?

[turbid oyster]

He got the actual WhatsApp fragrance

[turbid oyster]

It smells...

[thick ore]

we've both seen the same video

[turbid oyster]

Magnificent

[thick ore]

it tastes like green

[turbid oyster]

Fellow instagrammer

[vapid nymph]

....before Trump's term ends in January 2029.
20....29?

[turbid oyster]

Bros gonna be dead by then

[uneven pine]

I just gave an ultimatum to people who I had on snap. Gave them my phone number to make sure they had it, and deleted the app

Finally free

[turbid oyster]

idek why people even use snapchat

[uneven pine]

In my teens and early 20s it was just how people talked

[turbid oyster]

like yeah I get that it has a way better camera system than basically all apps

[uneven pine]

Then discord mostly phased it out

I only had it still for my girlfriend and a couple of friends

[turbid oyster]

musical.ly days

[uneven pine]

And they can text me and discord me lol

And signal

[turbid oyster]

I never used signal kek

[uneven pine]

I have it specifically for talking to my partners

Because fuck discord training their AI on our private conversations

[turbid oyster]

isn't that supposed to be Slack?

[uneven pine]

My ex boyfriend and I basically texted exclusively on it lol

[turbid oyster]

not Signal?

[uneven pine]

Slack is not private

[turbid oyster]

oh

[uneven pine]

Slack is just corporate prediscord

[turbid oyster]

true

[uneven pine]

I use it at work lol

[turbid oyster]

is it a hell

[uneven pine]

It's fine

It does what it needs to

Better UX than discord that's for sure

[turbid oyster]

do you ever get post-shift notifs or do you leave your work computers at work

[uneven pine]

I have slack on my personal phone and laptop, I schedule notifs on 8 hours before my work week starts and off 8 hours after it ends

[turbid oyster]

personally if my work gave me a work device I'd leave it there

as soon as my shift is over I'm done

[uneven pine]

The 8 hours pre I'm usually sleeping so I'll catch up on anything important before I start my shift, then post shift to make sure the next team doesn't need any clarification from me on work done

Then it's muted for my 3.5 day weekend lol

[turbid oyster]

lol that's nice

what do you actually do at your corporate j*b?

[uneven pine]

Mostly hardware work and some networking.

[turbid oyster]

IT guy

[uneven pine]

Girl*

[turbid oyster]

Oh

Didn't know you're bi

[jovial oriole]

✌️🥀🙏

[turbid oyster]

Alr 1ULL

[jovial oriole]

I cant believe WE (you AND me) struggle w/ ts

[turbid oyster]

*you AND me" 💔

[jovial oriole]

US

[turbid oyster]

MAGA 🥀 🥀 🥀 🥀 🥀

[jovial oriole]

Make american goon again

[turbid oyster]

Frfr

[latent scaffold]

this channel name makes me wonder if we could put a math equation in as an otn and it'll be right a third of the time

or we could cheat and be like

x 0 = 0

[worldly ice]

it's a goddam fthork

[upper flower]

wth

yo imagine

if u just stick a rubber cover thingy on it and if its as sharp as a knife

u can use it as a fork and knife

for knife just take the rubber cover off it

[fathom basin]

Jahahahhaq

Ahahhaahha

[vale raven]

😭

[vale raven]

cc @bleak maple since we were talking about it — Discord Wordle does not report stats to NYT

[harsh tundra]

Makes sense - you'd need to link your account for that to work, but the app is really basic.
From what I noticed, it only keeps current day in each channel to post stats (or rather each person's full gameplay for that day, and ids of channels the person posted their game) (+for some people already next day if timezones make it next day; I believe that this person's next day already triggers the "yesterday's summary" in all their channels)
+"streak" for given channel id

[rough sapphire]

hi

[lyric sonnet]

ong, maybe later after classes

[undone granite]

https://github.com/minio/minio/issues/21647

I should really migrate away from minio when i get the time

Especially now that the web console is literally just a browser with no way to manage settings or keys

[bleak lintel]

hmmm

that's an odd decision to make

i have also used minio before

shame to hear it's gone that way

https://github.com/minio/minio/commit/9e49d5e7a648f00e26f2246f4dc28e6b07f8c84a

[bleak maple]

That's.. an amazing GitHub issue.

What even the what?

They need to take the Docker repo down immediately if they are making that change.

Especially if there's a CVE in the current "stable"!!!

Like, are these state actors?

[lament cairn]

Probably

Actually no, state actors wouldn't try to drive away their users repeatedly

So, just incompetence.

[bleak maple]

Well, my threat model is "somebody fancy is using Minio, and somebody doesn't want them to patch this CVE easily"

[shell raptor]

does @latest mean the latest release, or the latest commit on main/master/trunk?

if the latter, it doesn't seem like a good recommendation to install from source at @latest...

[frozen pumice]

Bet

[thick ore]

oh boy this should be a fun one

it was a rickroll

at least it wasnt malware

😃

[weak peak]

https://tenor.com/view/bro-hell-sus-gif-4640953859587921843

[thick ore]

if u want, i can send you the url

[harsh tundra]

Wow.
"no, decision was made before CVE"
Someone replied that it was done 4d before the issue, and the comment is 3d old, meaning commit was 7d before now... So literally JUST before the CVE. (Sadly, on mobile github just tells me "last week" for the commit itself, I can't check exact time)

Imo: Suggesting they may have gotten a responsible disclosure to patch it before publishing it as CVE, but instead they just left the docker as is and moved to "source-only" just like that...
And people in the comments say latest is not patched yet either, so "just compile from source" won't do anything?

Also the fresh comments on the issue about the fork...

We’ve made significant changes compared to the upstream image to avoid doing a chmod 777 on /usr/bin (I can’t believe this practice is in a 1billion+ downlads Docker image…) and to avoid downloading a static version of curl from a random repository, because we don’t want easy supply chain attacks…
That really was in the original image? 😱

[languid cargo]

Is there a community fork?
Commenters have linked to: https://garagehq.deuxfleurs.fr/

I'm glad I made an interface wrapper class for my S3 services anyway, with a local filesystem back end instead of MinIO or somethign similar. Python ftw!

[wooden silo]

Sounds like a very convoluted and costly strategy (manipulating MinIO into going source-only) in order to create a very small and unpredictable time window where some high-value target is vulnerable to the CVE

[languid cargo]

The attack is convoluted indeed too. It relies on a-priori being able to create a service or STS account. Isn't that basically a step above root?

Attack Scenario
1 An administrator creates a service account or STS account with a restricted inline policy (e.g., access only to bucket1 and bucket2)
2 The restricted account attempts to create a new service account for itself without specifying any policy restrictions
3 Due to the bypass, the new service account is created with full parent privileges instead of being restricted by the inline policy
4 The attacker now has escalated privileges beyond the intended restrictions

Is anybody running MinIO, who just lets anyone create those accounts, directly on the MinIO service?

I think the CVE's a red herring. They've already been dropping features from the community edition.

In the Linux distro world, there are hundreds if not thousands of unsung heroes producing third party binaries, for upload to all the various package managers. Are docker services too privileged to entrust to similar community efforts?

[stark prawn]

I've only ever used minio for local testing

[wooden silo]

Yeah, it seems more likely to just be a step in a strategy to try to shift users into paid licenses, and they didn't have the awareness to avoid it coinciding with an expected security patch release.

Or just, y'know, announcing it ahead of time instead of just stopping all of a sudden.

[upper flower]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-smile-shyboos-smile-gif-24233810

[vale raven]

It depends
It’s highly configurable
But latest is usually the latest Git tag
The default GitHub Actions setup builds on each branch and tags the image with the branch name
But it doesn’t move the latest tag to that image
It waits until you push a new Git tag, and when it sees that come in, it tags the image with that tag, and then moves latest up alongside that tag

[bleak maple]

PSA: Wash your hands, you horrible monster.

[turbid oyster]

is this what you use your wee-fee for?

[bleak maple]

I don't use that, no.

[vapid nymph]

I have never found a good way to test ci other than break prod

[glad folio]

I have never found a good way to test ci other than break prod

[vapid nymph]

oh heck i broke the concurrency rule

[glad folio]

i'm bad at testing lol

[vapid nymph]

the simplest thing

oh i broke two things

excuse me?

excuse me?

It worked first try 🙂

two things that need small improvements but it did work

[lament cairn]

cognrats on becoming green

[languid cargo]

There's a Go executable that will run github actions locally. Writing them to run in a Docker container helps too.

[glad folio]

Oh what is the Go executable name? I use render.com so I don't (currently) use docker.

[languid cargo]

https://github.com/nektos/act

[bleak maple]

Hmm, this is actually pretty interesting https://github.com/squillo/hexser

[plush sun]

They can now be placed there

[dapper dew]

@fathom totem we can continue here

[fathom totem]

ok

[dapper dew]

This reads like word salad to me, what is gravitational yield saying that particle mass x 2 means?

[fathom totem]

CPπ=π×GY×PD×QFπ this is the structure

[dapper dew]

Where is the source for this?

Is this something you have derived from first principals?

Or is there a text / physics entry I can find

[fathom totem]

original work off the Alberts theory to fix the infinity he hit

“Einstein’s relativity explains how mass curves space, but it doesn’t quantify how much space pushes back before infinity.”

“My work adds that missing balancing factor — I call it Gravitational Yield (GY) — which expresses the field’s reaction strength.”

“GY = Particle Mass × 2”
means: every unit of mass has a double gravitational response — one from the particle’s own presence, and one from the field it generates.

“PD = GY²”
means: density is proportional to the square of that response, so stronger gravity rapidly increases local density.

“QFπ = −1”
means: the quantum field reacts negatively — it pushes back, preventing collapse to infinity.

“CPπ = π × GY × PD × QFπ”
means: compression pressure (how much space bends) equals curvature (π) times gravity (GY), times density (PD), times the opposing field reaction (QFπ).

[dapper dew]

Where are you getting this quote from

[fathom totem]

I am ADHD and have a hard time explaining myself so I have help expressing what im trying to show

[dapper dew]

So you found a new term in a new equation to explain the curvature of space time?

[fathom totem]

YES!

That’s my own framework — I’ve been refining it as an extension to Einstein’s relativity to fix the infinity collapse issue. I sometimes use assistive tools to phrase my concepts more clearly because ADHD makes it hard to structure everything in one go, but all the physics and math come from my original derivation.

[dapper dew]

How familiar are you with the derivations of Einstein's field equations?

And the calculations / testing of those

If he could have solved his own paradox with adding a constant term, I think he would have

[fathom totem]

not if he didn't see it

[dapper dew]

If he could have added 2*PM, I think he would have

Anyways, I must go now. I applaud your effort, but I worry that you may have over-estimated what you think you have uncovered here

[fathom totem]

I’m very familiar with the Einstein–Hilbert derivation and the field tests that verified it—Mercury’s perihelion, gravitational redshift, frame-dragging, and light bending among them.
What I’m proposing doesn’t replace that framework, it extends it. Einstein handled curvature beautifully, but his equations treat the field’s reaction to compression as passive. My Gravitational Yield (GY) adds a quantifiable response coefficient that activates before infinite collapse, effectively behaving like a dynamic constant.
So instead of adding a fixed Λ term (which Einstein eventually did), I introduce a variable resistance from the quantum field side. The idea is: space pushes back in proportion to compression strength, not as a static offset. That’s why a constant term alone wouldn’t have solved it.

he did not apply quantum physics to gravity

[bleak maple]

Badass.

Good luck! Einstein is not the end of the road for physics.

[fathom totem]

Thank you. this was one of the most challenging things I have ever done.

[bleak maple]

I should imagine!

My goal is a “mathematics of the singular” that doesn’t rely on relations. I’ll need some luck too.

[fathom totem]

like trying to get a singularity?

if you try to get a singularity the energy needs to be bondable at the particle level

[bleak maple]

More like able to model a single particle in physics on its own. I am here for the scalp of the Collatz fractal.

[fathom totem]

ah

what type of particle are you sing?

using*

[bleak maple]

Everything in math right now is “collective” so we only see forests not trees

None. I’m studying “indivisible stochastic non-Markovian quantum mechanics”

[fathom totem]

ooooh I get ok are you trying to find out why the blimp into and out of existence?

or simple controle?

im sorry if im lacking I have been in deep dive gravity reserch

my take - Short version: I treat gravity–space as an open system with memory, not a memoryless (Markov) one.
In that language:
• GY = 2·PM is the driving signal from matter.
• QFπ < 0 is the environment’s feedback (quantum field pushback).
• CPπ = π·GY·PD·QFπ is the resulting compression.
Non-Markovian = the field remembers past compression, so today’s curvature depends on a memory kernel of prior GY/PD, not just the instant value.
“Indivisible” means you can’t slice the evolution into CP-maps at intermediate times — exactly like my model: once the field reacts, compression builds coherently over time and can partially unwind (information backflow), preventing a true singularity.
Practically, I implement this as a memory convolution + stochastic fluctuations on QFπ. In the Markov limit (delta-kernel, white noise) my model reduces to GR locally; with memory it saturates curvature (no infinities).

it all is extensive but the goal is a more solid understanding

I get it so you are wondering if the field itself remebers the gravityit once held?

[dapper dew]

I'm sorry, this reads like chat gpt hallucinated word salad to me

[fathom totem]

oh the text I just put down is me trying to understand the position

but if you are talking about my math it's an extension of relativity with out tensor wording

[bleak maple]

@fathom totem Sorry, was just driving to lunch. Lemme see what you wrote.

“Blimp” is a typo I assume?

[fathom totem]

no that convo was just me trying to understand the goal of the guy I was talking too. I thought he was talking about how matter at a subatomic scale would blimp in and out of existence that was recently discovered

[dapper dew]

It's only been me and defiler

And you

[fathom totem]

yes I was talking about Defiler

as I said I need help talking and expressing myself im horrible at it.

[dapper dew]

They didn't mention quantum fluctuations or temporary particles or virtual particles that are normally referred to as the ones that pop in and out of existence

[fathom totem]

I know that now.

he is talking about the ("wave effect") after a cosmic event.

witch I believe to be just force and energy

[dapper dew]

They aren't, no one here has mentioned that

[fathom totem]

Defiler("My goal is a “mathematics of the singular”")

[dapper dew]

Are you using an LLM to analyze and respond to things like that?

[fathom totem]

im using cosmic event as a example

[dapper dew]

So they weren't talking about that

[fathom totem]

ok not my origenal goal to talk about someones work that I have amitted to being ignorant to.

I was trying to find out what he was talking about and thought I understood him trying to see if gravity has memory

but if not I was wrong

or ("space")

[bleak maple]

What I’m talking about isn’t related to what you’re describing, I don’t think

I’m talking about the way math is bootstrapped

[fathom totem]

oh

[bleak maple]

Physics is just an example of where we use math etc

[fathom totem]

I mean you can use math on pretty much everything lol

[bleak maple]

That is the problem yes

And every time you use math right now, you’re making a statement about collectives

[fathom totem]

im sorry im a dodo when things are outside my field of reserch

I see. so like storage of data that just keeps adding?

well thank you for your kind words Defiler and boo90four I have given you the definitions of my research before the next conversation was made just go and review them.

[stuck glacier]

We are impatiently waiting for the research paper.

Where you'll manage to formalise mathematically everything and make a sentence with a meaning.

[fathom totem]

gave the definitions gave the math just engage it

[stuck glacier]

You gave absolutely no math.

[fathom totem]

I need a peer review first

[stuck glacier]

Nothing of what you said was comprehensible.

[fathom totem]

what wasn't?

[stuck glacier]

Then go to the Discord physics server. They have physicists, they also have coders there.

They have researchers and what not.

[fathom totem]

any in mind?

[stuck glacier]

They'll be able to pull off the best peer review.

[strong spire]

physics is fun

[stuck glacier]

"Physics" is the name of the second biggest physics server on Discord.

[fathom totem]

yes.

[stuck glacier]

Or choose the mathematics one.

[strong spire]

I like nuclear physics and chemistry 😋

[stuck glacier]

They can help you formalise for sure.

[bleak maple]

⁨Spotify algorithms killin' it with the variety tonight⁩

[turbid oyster]

i get some horrifying episodes on my main page

"mommy cuddling with you ASMR" like what i listen to Kanye ONCE and you start glazing me

[bleak maple]

I only learned recently how to ban whole artists on Spotify, and now that I've done the first 300 or so that came to mind, things are a lot better.

[lethal trench]

wait is this a metal channel

[turbid oyster]

teach me the martial arts of banning artists

[tardy rain]

A blessing

[upper flower]

trynna make a portfolio and honestly is my pfp on right looking good with the theme or should i leave the space empty or replace it with smth else? if smth else then what?

[bleak maple]

too stark of a transition between you and the black, it makes the 'cut-out' border too sharp. Maybe some kind of gradient grey 'starbust' behind you? Just something to ease the transition from black?

Also I would shift the paragraph under Web Developer right a bit to make it look slightly indented

[upper flower]

right i will look into that thx

[lament cairn]

also just the head looks weird ngl

[left jewel]

I'd probably consider putting something else. Integrating a face in the hero section well tends to be a bit hard (I guess maybe find some other way of doing it).

[bleak maple]

Classic USSR joke:
Three men are sitting in the gulag. One asks, "What did you do to get here?"

The first guy says, "I was late to work, so they accused me of sabotaging the Revolution."
The second guy says, "I was early to work, so they accused me of being a careerist, seeking favor over my equals."
The third guy says, "I arrived exactly on time to work, so they accused me of owning an American-made watch."

[upper flower]

navbar?

[thick ore]

i think u should take a proper headshot

[upper flower]

wdym proper headshot

[thick ore]

A headshot is a photograph of a person's face, typically from the shoulders up, used for professional purposes such as acting, modeling, corporate profiles, or identification.

[upper flower]

-_-

yeah but then

putting it in the portfolio and adjusting it is a pain in the ass

[thick ore]

u were gonna adjust it either way

why did you ask for feedback then

[upper flower]

ur question is very good

[tardy rain]

For shits and gigs

[upper flower]

didnt u block me

[bleak maple]

OK, this is a good Twitter account: https://vxtwitter.com/typememetics/status/1943680106599178309

The Institute for Type Safe Memetic Research (@typememetics)

MANAGEMENT TO ALL OPERATIVES

Please complete your Mandatory Operative Protective Therapy Session IMMEDIATELY. Access link is provided below.

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[upper flower]

can u suggest me any alternatives

[bleak maple]

Pay someone on Twitter (I'm following a few) to make you a cartoon avatar and use that? 🙂

[thick ore]

take a proper headshot, or at the very least a properly angled selfie

[upper flower]

hmmm

and then like just put it where the img rn is?

[thick ore]

or don't put your face at all

[upper flower]

i kinda wanna go for that

but will it make ppl trust me less

[lament cairn]

alright like

counterpoint

are you considering how the image will look for mobile users?

[upper flower]

ok yeah im not putting the image

[lament cairn]

you really need a good picture if you're gonna use one

[upper flower]

ye not my thing

[tardy rain]

😔

[upper flower]

but then what do i do to fill the space in the right?

or i can just put the text in the middle?

[thick ore]

you can put projects on the right

like your 4 best projects

in a grid

[upper flower]

thats kind of ...

HMMM

[thick ore]

or technologies you're familiar with

yeah that's probably a better option

[upper flower]

yea

i will go bith that

le me whos familier with html css js and react 😭

wth do i put there all i know is these 4 😭

[lament cairn]

put those in anyway

[upper flower]

its embarrassing

ngl

even a kid would know the first 3

well im a kid

but still

[lament cairn]

ok?

do it anyway, the most that'll happen is someone's gonna go "huh"

[upper flower]

true

[lament cairn]

Test

[solemn tulip]

Failure: assert `self.assertContainsFeline(post)` failed

[upper flower]

better i think

[bleak maple]

Potential off-by-one error, but still funny:

[solemn tulip]

What section is this under? About me?

Having "Web Developer" be the main title feels quite weird

If it was a subsection it would probably make more sense

[bleak maple]

"Web Developer" is pretty self-evident when you built your own website, yeah

I'd pick a title that's about what you want to do etc

[plush sun]

But how will you know they built their own website

[bleak maple]

"view source"

(my own is view-source-oriented-development) (work in progress)

[plush sun]

I don't label my code, so idk

[bleak maple]

Good luck getting an LLM to write that.

[plush sun]

Other people can make your website, lol

[bleak maple]

Oh do people still do that circa 2025? 🙂

[plush sun]

I imagine so

[bleak maple]

Seems unlikely to me honestly

I suspect 99.999% of people on Fiverr etc are using LLM tooling alongside any manual work.

and hiring AKQA or somebody to make your site is a 5-digit problem

[plush sun]

I mean, you need someone to upkeep the site, why not hire someone IRL

[bleak maple]

Like, a full-time employee or contractor on retainer?

That doesn't seem super relevant to somebody's personal "hire me" site.

I don't build sites that need upkeep, personally

[plush sun]

Oh, I meant sites in general

[bleak maple]

Oh sure, lots of those are complex and money-making enough to generate a job.

[bleak lintel]

with it all being black and white and just a headshot it looks a little like an obituary

[bleak maple]

Nice, Earth actually has a second moon: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_PN7

(Buzz Aldrin says it is so I'm going with it)

[undone granite]

@turbid oyster
grub will load your entry point in protected mode (32-bit) and you will have to take care of setting up ia-32e paging and switch to long mode (64-bit), usually this is done by having a 32-bit trampoline/head that grub will load and the x64 kernel as a module which your trampoline will detect and jump to, so your grub.cfg will look like this (you need to compile them separately)

multiboot /boot/head.elf
module /boot/kernel.elf

OR, you can avoid all of this and use Limine (https://github.com/limine-bootloader/limine) which can load your x64 kernel directly

[turbid oyster]

wait, so a 32-bit kernel doesnt go to long mode right? only protected mode?

inspo from 32-bit windows and 64-bit

[undone granite]

not sure what you mean, your goal is to write a x64 kernel, but grub (multiboot) will start in protected mode so you have to handle the transition to x64 yourself

afaik grub can't start in long mode directly, and that's one of the reasons people reach out to Limine

[turbid oyster]

ah, and limine can boot in 64-bit mode directly?

[undone granite]

yes

[turbid oyster]

that's nice, will def check ts out

also is there a standard driver for speakers? I'm gonna yoink one from Linux and see if it works

actually lemme see which one my laptop uses

[left jewel]

I guess you mean audio? There's a few ways to do audio. The one I know of is the AC97 spec (and there's also Intel's HD audio thingy)

[turbid oyster]

wait, how do audio (speaker) drivers work?

ik that they go thru the CPU first because duh

but what happens after that?

[left jewel]

I don't know too much about the specifics. All I know is that it's some interface that sound hardware can implement (e.g. a dedicated sound chip on the motherboard or an external sound card) and that a PC can use to send commands to the magic that produces beep boops.

[turbid oyster]

hm, I'll try that

i wanna get ahci to work first then make a filesystem

then parse that filesystem (prob gonna use ext4 but it seems too complicated) and get to files and folders and stuff

[undone granite]

yeah I wouldn't start with ext* filesystems, but when the time comes I really recommend reading this book https://www.nobius.org/dbg/practical-file-system-design.pdf

OSTEP also has a chapter on filesystems (persistence in general)

[bleak maple]

xfs is actually good

[rose adder]

wait a damn minute here...

[upper flower]

yea

[bleak maple]

Not an expert, but my understanding is something like..

• Your audio card is set up to be ready for raw PCM (Pulse-Code Modulation) audio data, basically "WAV" files without the headers and stuff.
• On Linux, ALSA (Advanced Linux Sound Architecture) is what hands that data to the sound card via its particular "driver"
• in 2025 you'd probably hope to be using PipeWire, which accepts application audio data and mixes it together so that the kernel only ever sees a steady stream
• PipeWire also pretends to be PulseAudio and JACK, so almost every app can talk to it even if it's "fake"
• At the end of the day, your sound card is a DAC (Digital to Analog Converter), which takes PCM and turns it into analog voltages at "line level", e.g. RCA jacks or a headphone jack
• Those analog voltages stimulate the magnetic drivers (speakers) in your speakers, headphones, etc.
• With Bluetooth, all of the above happens, except the DAC is inside your headphones instead of in your computer.

[thick ore]

can't shrink partitions 😢

[bleak maple]

Live server mutations are a meme IMO

I just spin up another, make it be the real one, and then retire the old etc

[thick ore]

okay fine

[bleak maple]

Kinda joking kinda not

AIX was the first system I used with live volume resizing, so sick

but these days it's so easy to spin computers up, I'm not sure it's a great pattern anymore

[vapid nymph]

hi deffy

-# so this is what it feels like to have a coloured name here

[tardy rain]

What did you contribute

[bleak lintel]

48 PRs and 24 issues

[tardy rain]

Pretty big

[jovial oriole]

Big if true

[uneven pine]

if True:

[bleak maple]

true while true is valid Ruby, and I'm happy with that.

[turbid oyster]

alr bro pack it up

[turbid oyster]

I'll check the osdev wiki and see what it's got to offer first

I am def never implementing any GUI stuff

Shit seems too hard

And complicated af

[bleak maple]

It's either really easy or really hard with not much in between.

Anything you can draw in XCode or similar is easy, anything you need to fix when that isn't enough is hard.

[turbid oyster]

Making a DE is the easy part because most of those can be made with python

The display servers are the hardest part

and stuff like Wayland

[bleak maple]

These editions are sick, I may need the whole series now that I've touched these:

[turbid oyster]

I never realized how much I love white lightbulbs instead of yellow ones

[tardy thorn]

@worldly ice how u be talkin "some never change" when i be asking regular ass question? not talking bout no crazy shit yknow

u be talkin shit mate?

you aint know shit about me to be talkin shit
especially not you

[thick osprey]

You seem angry. Perhapes taking a break would help.

[turbid oyster]

bro think he tuff

[thick osprey]

No need to antagonize.

Also not really called for.

[turbid oyster]

I'm just trying to approach him in a similar way

[thick osprey]

Be better. :)

[turbid oyster]

wise words

[granite tree]

!warn 1370138886310858803 regardless of their behavior, this isn't ever acceptable on this server. Be respectful and let the mods handle problems.

[royal lake]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied warning to @turbid oyster.

[turbid oyster]

👍

[granite tree]

!warn 750956285985292399 This is not acceptable behavior per our #code-of-conduct . Treat everyone with respect, and take drama elsewhere.

[royal lake]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied warning to @tardy thorn.

[solid pollen]

Every day I am more and more convinced recruiters are the scum of the earth

[vapid nymph]

@solid pollen hi guess what

[solid pollen]

What

[vapid nymph]

I'm contributor now too!

[warped sentinel]

wait until you see the candidates

[solid pollen]

Nice!

[solid pollen]

I'm the candidate!

That's the entire problem

I'm really tired of getting constantly ghosted

[warped sentinel]

Have you posted your resume for review on #career-advice ?

[solid pollen]

I guess I could

I'd have to translate it

[warped sentinel]

sure

[solid pollen]

To be fair I know what the issue with my profile is

[warped sentinel]

oh and which polytech is it?

[solid pollen]

I just don't have a diploma

So I very rarely get to the technical interview

But all the very few technical interviews I've done resulted in an offer

[warped sentinel]

wait, your github says polytech marseille?

you gave up?

either way, reviewing your gh, you would need to spruce it up since it doesn't point a reviewer to interesting projects

[vapid nymph]

Thoughts on mine?

https://gh.arielle.codes

[warped sentinel]

Hmm. We’re having trouble finding that site.
We can’t connect to the server at gh.arielle.cdes.

okay typo

[vapid nymph]

Yeh it wz a tpop

[solid pollen]

From my experience, no recruiter checks out github, but I should update it

I mean for projects I don't have that much to show

I'm not a developer

[warped sentinel]

Main feedback based on your gh profile + monty:

• Your profile should articulate what you are or looking for (ie. your interests). Like frontend, backend, etc.
• Your project monty looks great! However you should surface and make it easy to understand the complexity/depth, what's cool about it and to not hesitate to give numbers (ex: number of request/s you handle. etc)

[warped sentinel]

not in the first 30s. But if you don't have a diploma, that could become handy to convince them to call you back

[warped sentinel]

so what are you?

[vapid nymph]

I unfortunately handle very few requests 😭

[warped sentinel]

you could do some load testing

[vapid nymph]

Can't right now

There's some uh..... Bugs in everything

It's all being refactored over time

I stopped developing for like 2 years lmao

[warped sentinel]

🗿

[vapid nymph]

Refactored a bunch recently

Working on rewriting the most used feature lol

[warped sentinel]

Also note that the interviewer will care about the 👏 demonstrated 👏 skills 👏
So it's important to show what you did with caching, o11y, databases, concurrency, not just that you follow python best practices

[vapid nymph]

Yeah

I don't know actually

[warped sentinel]

I also like to mix and match skills.
For instance your monty project is great to demonstrate backend stuff. But you could also complement it with something more theoretical like your own compiler

[vapid nymph]

Hmmm

[vapid nymph]

I have thought of a web dashboard

To get the frontend side

I do have several things I want to break into micro services as well

[warped sentinel]

Sure, but for entry level, you want to demonstrate growth potential , not just pissing code

[solemn tulip]

damn I hate numeronyms sometimes

[turbid oyster]

cs2 market crashed

FUCK

[brazen ingot]

call the ambulance

[steep stirrup]

here ig

@raw zephyr here should be cool

[raw zephyr]

so, I was referring to how Rust is associated with the trans community a lot, and now the bigotry has officially arrived

[steep stirrup]

i mean, i deffinately get the vibe from the rust community. but that's not supposed to mean much. its just a programming language.

[raw zephyr]

say that to the haters

[steep stirrup]

using it or not, doesn't associate me with anything, right?

[steep stirrup]

elaborate?

[raw zephyr]

no, but again, tell that to people like him

[steep stirrup]

i think rust haters hate rust more so because how rust is being pushed into literally everything, like not everything needs a rust rewrite

[raw zephyr]

yeah, for sure

[steep stirrup]

ah truly, they're just up there for view i'd say.

[raw zephyr]

but it's very funny seeing people seethe like this

maybe Rust should be pushed more out of spite

[undone granite]

I don’t understand how you can make a general statement based on some tweets

[undone thorn]

this is bigotry?

[raw zephyr]

what are they gonna do? come up with rational arguments for why it's a bad idea? pfffff

[steep stirrup]

lmfao, i am a rust supporter. but that's only because i can write it.

its hard to read rust tho

[steep stirrup]

but it is a bad idea. rust is not universally understood, has a steep learning curve.

maintainers would have a hard time.

[undone thorn]

oh the guy calls them a he and then acknowledges they wanna go by they/them? meh

[raw zephyr]

uh, read it again....?

[raw zephyr]

what generalization?

[steep stirrup]

i think not every concept or people's personal beliefs and choices need to be mingled with professional spheres like tech.

[undone granite]

#python-discussion message

[undone thorn]

I don't see what you're saying ig

[steep stirrup]

sometimes, code is just code, nothing more, nothing less

[undone thorn]

unless it's what I said

[undone granite]

I first thought you were joking but you said you’re not

[raw zephyr]

ah, okay, got it, I made a hyperbole but I was clarifying that this actually happens

[steep stirrup]

i still think it was a joke honestly?

ahh, got it

[raw zephyr]

and yeah, it would be pretty bad to push Rust everywhere

but would it be funny? hmm,,,, yes......

[steep stirrup]

but ngl, i totally understand the hate towards rust, its insane to get started w it.

[raw zephyr]

Rust fried my CPU, I don't use it because of that :/

legit, the compile times are horrendous if I'm working on something large

[steep stirrup]

would be great for us rusticians, more jobs, less supply of skilled rusticians.

[raw zephyr]

I need a faster CPU

[steep stirrup]

what CPU are u running

[raw zephyr]

you don't wanna know