ot1-perplexing-regexing

[spare oriole]

• marcus aurelious

type shit

[green pelican]

Type shi

[uneven pine]

One of these days when keezy actually gets a job it's going to be crazy France France orange

[spare oriole]

i'm sorry to inform you that he already has one

[honest star]

Keezy is older than you think

[uneven pine]

Pretty sure he's too young to work at least in the US

[spare oriole]

correct, unless it's unethical or Illegal , not feasible, or outside the scope of your job.

proposing alternative solutions isn't insubordination if done respectfully and professionally.

[green pelican]

Unless you have a toxic work culture it can't hurt

It might not do anything but

[honest star]

#ot2-never-nester’s-nightmare message

[spare oriole]

[quasi blaze]

Interesting to me how you can talk about me instead of to me when I’m currently active in this chat lol

[green pelican]

Bringing up someone's age is a sure way to instantly lose a debate

[spare oriole]

because she was responding to someone else.

[spare oriole]

aren't you like 12

[green pelican]

Lowkey

[spare oriole]

type of shit

[green pelican]

I convinced my employer I'm 20

And the DMV

[spare oriole]

i still got that cybersec job for you
mac mandatory

[green pelican]

I would rather perish

[quasi blaze]

Doesn’t matter. I was available in this chat to be directly addressed

[green pelican]

- Seneca

[spare oriole]

keezy just said he was available in the chat to be directly addressed

[spare oriole]

• no

[green pelican]

I'm begging please escape your -

[uneven pine]

I've addressed your angsty "iamverysmart" behavior in the past, it's mostly just a novelty when you come in every few months to me now

[spare oriole]

• fine

[uneven pine]

You mean people can lie on the Internet?

[green pelican]

[honest star]

I don't think Keezy is lying considering all of his other chat history and behavior

[quasi blaze]

You can claim that I am lying but it’s unfalsifiable

[young shoal]

i mean, not really

you could prove that you are employed, but it would probably be a bad idea

[quasi blaze]

Anybody can say anything, which is correct but it’s unfalsifiable

[quasi blaze]

What I am saying is if she is claiming that it’s all a lie, she can’t prove that

Which makes it unfalsifiable

[young shoal]

it makes what unfalsifiable

[spare oriole]

[quasi blaze]

That somebody is saying that they are employed in this chatroom

[young shoal]

how is that unfalsifiable

[quasi blaze]

Because you can’t prove that it’s a lie

[solemn tulip]

-- fine
+\- fine

[solemn tulip]

you absolutely could

[young shoal]

yes you can

[solemn tulip]

it could be verified

[young shoal]

there are many ways to show that you are employed

[quasi blaze]

Everyone here is anonymous though which is my point

And they can say all kinds of stuff about themselves

[solemn tulip]

that doesn't mean it's unfalsifiable

[spare oriole]

^

[quasi blaze]

If someone anonymously says that they are 25 years old and you are claiming that they are lying. You can’t prove that

[carmine apex]

there are individuals here that are not anonymous, including some who are not aware of said status. if you were to know their identity, and the company they allegedly work for, a call to that company could provide proof

but assuming truth unless there is contradictory data is probably the best approach

[solemn tulip]

"is X 25 years old" is a statement that can be proven

[spare oriole]

i am 22 y/o, am i lying?

[weak peak]

Yes

Huge cap

[quasi blaze]

If I make the claim that you’re lying. I can’t prove it. therefore, it’s unfalsifiable

[spare oriole]

you can't prove it, others can. therefore, is it still unfalsifiable?

[quasi blaze]

If others can then it’s not unfalsifiable. No

[spare oriole]

Your argument hinges on "I can't prove it." But falsifiability isn't about you specifically; it's about whether proof is possible at all.

[quasi blaze]

Okay but I wouldn’t even be able to have the information that other people here can prove that you’re lying until you told me

It would be unwise for me to say proof is possible because I don’t know anything about you at all

[spare oriole]

but but

[spare oriole]

now youre mixing up "idk if proof exists" with "proof can’t exist"; falsifiability means it’s possible for proof to exist, even if you don’t personally have the info to prove or disprove something right now.

[grave cove]

what are you guys on about

[young shoal]

krrt's pushing 30

[grave cove]

i cant imagine being that ancient

[green pelican]

Let's all just take a deep breath and become one with Tao

[carmine apex]

but this ain't the math server

[green pelican]

What

[carmine apex]

.wiki terence tao

[median dome]

Wikipedia Search Results

Terence Tao
Terence Chi-Shen Tao FAA FRS (Chinese: 陶哲軒; born 17 July 1975) is an Australian-American mathematician, Fields medalist, and professor of mathematics at

Green–Tao theorem
In number theory, the Green–Tao theorem, proved by Ben Green and Terence Tao in 2004, states that the sequence of prime numbers contains arbitrarily long

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[green pelican]

Ok

[carmine apex]

dude is a prodigy

[vale raven]

When you turn 14, imagine being double that, and that's what it's like

[green pelican]

"Dao"

[carmine apex]

idk, discord is kinda centralized

[vale raven]

🪧_I HATE WEB3 BECAUSE I DONT UNDERSTAND IT_🪧

[green pelican]

Bro what

[carmine apex]

https://www.web3isgoinggreat.com/

[carmine apex]

decentralized autonomous organization

[vale raven]

Trader reveals he lost $28 million to bad copy-paste

Just imagine

[carmine apex]

shoulda used a mac mouse

[green pelican]

Daoism sir

[weak peak]

aren't they like 24

[acoustic moss]

based

[spare oriole]

What are you pushing?

[young shoal]

code

[spare oriole]

No that’s @vale raven

[vale raven]

Slander

[weak peak]

true

[grave cove]

@vale raven is it also hella cold where you’re at

[vale raven]

🌞

[grave cove]

Have you gone outside yet

[vale raven]

To get in the car

To go to work

[grave cove]

Was it cold

[vale raven]

A bit

It was also still dark outside
So that doesn’t really count

[grave cove]

🗿

I’ve been freezing walking around all morning

[young shoal]

oof

[solemn tulip]

snoof

[spare oriole]

[quasi blaze]

Have you ever lost a debate?

[brazen ingot]

green tao theorem is good shit

[young shoal]

no

[tardy rain]

i dont lose debates either

i just declare myself the winner and thats that

[quasi blaze]

Ngl, you’re one of the best debaters I have ever faced

[solemn tulip]

🥴

[tardy rain]

discord chats arent a debate environment keezy

[solemn tulip]

psvm is at best a contrarian 😌

[jaunty wraith]

2

[green pelican]

what is wrong with ur gif

[weak peak]

not sure just looked for a gif vaguely related to debating

[quasi blaze]

Specifically in this server, You are correct. Thank you for the reminder. My position was challenged and I accepted it. Thus, transforming the discussion into a debate

[green pelican]

FUCK YOU FUC...
vscode version:

comedy gold

[tardy rain]

But a debate has rules, sections youre allowed to present your side, address the other side, conclusion, etc

Informally its just a conversation

[acoustic moss]

my god

are you debating whether its a debate

[glossy niche]

have you ever heard the slur "debate bro"? it's one of my fav slurs

[tardy rain]

No, im conversing

[green pelican]

literally the existence of this server contradicts you

[tardy rain]

Pay attention

[green pelican]

you included

[quasi blaze]

That’s a formal debate.

[green pelican]

This discussion isnt a debate and heres why
also you
im not debating

type shi

[glossy niche]

it ain't a debate if I refuse to listen to the other side

LALALALALALA I DO NOT HEAR YOU

https://tenor.com/view/gigachad-chad-gif-20773266

[tardy rain]

You say "lose a debate", call people "debaters"
Youre talking about formal debates

People dont lose conversations

[quasi blaze]

There’s a such thing as an informal debate

[tardy rain]

Yea, a conversation

Words amirite

Theres no winning or losing one

You should join a debate club

[rain marsh]

in all fairness that dialog is a bit misleading imo

looking at the discussion, they have changed it

[green pelican]

its just funny

[low chasm]

I disagree

[quasi blaze]

So you’re agreeing with me?

[tardy rain]

No

[quasi blaze]

Then why did you say “Yea”?

[tardy rain]

Youre talking too formally about conversations

If you want to be winning debates go join debate club

[quasi blaze]

C’mon man

There’s something very wrong about the comment you just made but I won’t address it. I’ll be charitable this time

[tardy rain]

🤨

Do it i dare you

[quasi blaze]

No thanks

Let’s move on

[tardy rain]

You know you cant just refuse to elaborate in a debate

You'll just lose

[quasi blaze]

All right

[small coral]

nitpicking is a common form of action in internet arguments

[tardy rain]

This isnt nitpicking

If keezy didnt go so hard on trying to *win" simple conversations we wouldnt be talking about this

[small coral]

i think that sounds a lot like nitpicking from them but each to their own opinions i guess

[tardy rain]

🤷‍♀️

[spare oriole]

accurate

[spare oriole]

[spare oriole]

[rough sapphire]

so skibidi

[quasi blaze]

What’s a good replacement for ASRock B650M Pro RS WiFi Micro ATX AM5 Motherboard because that motherboard is not on Amazon.ca

[young shoal]

[spare oriole]

is it on Amazon.com?

[quasi blaze]

Idk. i am in Canada

[carmine apex]

pcpartpicker suggests only newegg, which has a canadian webfront: https://www.newegg.ca/asrock-b650m-pro-rs-wifi-micro-atx-amd-b650-am5/p/N82E16813162131

.wa 150 USD to CAD

[median dome]

Wolfram Alpha

View original for a bigger picture.

[carmine apex]

gee thanks wa, 12 currencies and not a single one i actually want

let's try the other way

.wa s 215 CAD to USD

[median dome]

Wolfram Alpha

$153.78 (US dollars)

[carmine apex]

ah, so only a very slight markup

[spare oriole]

that's not what i asked.

[quasi blaze]

You didn’t answer my question either

[spare oriole]

my answer was dependent on your answer to my question.

[quasi blaze]

nope

[spare oriole]

then why did i google and get serveral options?

[quasi blaze]

Several options of what

I found a replacement. Never mind. Thank you for your time

[spare oriole]

of the thing you mentioned.

i saw multiple available boards on amazon.com
these
ASRock B650M Pro RS WiFi Micro ATX AM5 Motherboard

and amazon.com ships to canada too. which is why i asked. good night.

[grave cove]

i dont know of replacements but my old motherboard was this and it was ass 👍

[tardy rain]

Imma need to upgrade soon too

But the budget does not allow

Got bachelors and weddings to go to 😔

My friends have started getting married and they've conspired to do it all together to bankrupt me

[harsh tundra]

Thanks for reminder I have to arrange music and photographer for my reception. Getting married was easy part, we did a civil wedding. But we want to do actual party and arranging that is haaaard

[tardy rain]

Yea 😔

Both friends had the hardest time finding a dj

It was the one thing that took the longest

[quasi blaze]

I didn’t even know “acceptable defiance” was a term until I found this Discord tbh

[solemn tulip]

it's not some specific term

it's just "acceptable levels of <whatever>"

[young shoal]

do you know what an adjective is

[quasi blaze]

Okay so their position was opinion based then

[torpid hare]

remember when change the song of your celllphone was the coolest thing

[carmine apex]

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2024/11/welcome-to-googles-nightmare-us-reveals-plan-to-destroy-search-monopoly/
doj fixing to de-google chrome

Predictably, Google is not happy with the DOJ's plan, which requires the company to sell its Chrome browser. It also retains the option of forcing Google to divest Android if competition doesn't increase from behavioral remedies, including bans on exclusive default deals with other browsers and device makers. Additionally, Google is prohibited from building any new browsers and must fund an education campaign that shows people how to switch search engines and potentially even pays people to switch. Google may also be restricted from using its data scale advantage to benefit its AI products.

[acoustic moss]

sheesh

cant believe i almost feel bad for a trillion dollar company

[grave cove]

boo hoo

[carmine apex]

including bans on exclusive default deals with other browsers
i wonder if this affects mozilla, though 🤔

[acoustic moss]

allegedly hurts businesses like Mozilla, which relies on Google's revenue-sharing to enhance products like Firefox, Walker alleged. (Mozilla has previously declined to comment on this often-repeated Google claim.)

[acoustic moss]

most of walker's arguments seem pretty valid ngl

[carmine apex]

[grave cove]

bro gets paid by google

[carmine apex]

bro is gonna die from boot polish intoxication

[acoustic moss]

yummy yummy in my tummy

[carmine apex]

[de-googling chrome would] Endanger the security and privacy of millions of Americans
ah yes, taking away a browser from an advertisement company. super dangerous for privacy, yup

tbh, the doj proposal doesn't go anywhere near far enough, but that's delibarete because they're afraid that a more reasonable proposition would get shot down by the judge for being overzealous or such

[glossy niche]

i need google CEO spinning in hell like a rotisserie chicken

[carmine apex]

anti-trust laws. if google is shown to be monopolistic, the doj can rip them asunder

[glossy niche]

reminds me of this: https://www.wsj.com/articles/price-gouging-after-a-disaster-is-good-for-the-public-1507071457

[carmine apex]

the court case is almost over. the evidence is in

ars also hosts a copy of the official legal proposal: https://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2024/11/US-v-Google-Proposed-Final-Judgment-11-20-24.pdf
note the final few pages - signatures of attorneys general from a lot of states

[carmine apex]

as far as i can tell, the state attorneys general from every state/territory/etc except alabama is on here

[quasi blaze]

How do you accurately assess whether a keyboard, mouse and monitor is good to buy?

[graceful basin]

keyboard & mouse - ideally try it in person, or find a review
monitor - check rtings

[glossy niche]

rtings is indeed goated

[green pelican]

If jt has the word "gaming" its probably mid at best

Especially razer

[quasi blaze]

Also, what protection plans should I buy for components?

[solemn tulip]

protection plans?

[honest star]

None, protection plans are a waste of money majority of the time if you're buying something from a known and good brand

[spare oriole]

unless your thing costs a lost of money, it generally isn't worth a protection plan yeah

[jaunty wraith]

perhaps they mean warranty

[rough sapphire]

Imagine a world in which corporations hold more power than the US government.
If the US govt messes with Google, they can just disable all the Gmail/Google accounts of government officials. That will get them to cooperate and back down.

[carmine apex]

that would end extremely poorly for google

[uneven pine]

Pretending that corporations don't already run the country

#LateStageCapitalism

[plush sun]

To be fair, you just said how they hold more power

[glossy niche]

the line between corporations and governmental institutions is pretty blurry imo

military industrial complex is one example, automobile industry lobbying is another

the intersection of the two is too big to be ignored

that said, I haven't looked into the Google thing

I Ignore news I don't deem urgent if it does not confidently tell what might happen in the future, let's just wait and see, I have nothing to lose anyways

[quasi blaze]

No. The store sells protection plans for PC parts

How it was explained to me is that if a PC part doesn’t work, I can swap it out

[vale raven]

(smells like a warranty)

Same concept, at least

[sharp jasper]

generally speaking, if the part is defective, or fails "soon" after installation during otherwise normal use, you can return it under any reputable retailer's return policy or any reputable manufacturer warranty

protection plans are add ons that cover accidental damage outside the scope of normal

and yes usually they are a waste of money

[soft violet]

@dapper shell #python-discussion message Speed, the movie, but people are hooked up to happiness-measuring Fitbit collars.

Such a movie may not last very long.

I know. Everyone around them knows, but they don't.

[dapper shell]

A few years ago I had to wear a heart-rate monitor for two weeks. It was weird.

i had a device stuck to my chest.

[soft violet]

Was it also a BP monitor?

Every half hour, brrrrvvvvt and it inflates?

[dapper shell]

no, it just measure rate. i had a bike accident, they wanted to rule out heart issues. i have a low resting pulse (45 bpm), and they thought perhaps it had gone much lower.

[tardy rain]

New date idea

[soft violet]

That is low.

I'm seeing 60 to 100 is average normal.

[dapper shell]

(i'm 52bpm atm)

[tardy rain]

bpm slows down with age and fitness levels

[dapper shell]

yes

[tardy rain]

45 is solid if you workout

[soft violet]

72. Boring.

Boring is good.

[dapper shell]

boring is good (when it comes to health)

having a seizure on a bike is not boring.

[soft violet]

The last doctor I spoke to said that I have a complicated medical history. She was not wrong.

[soft violet]

Big yikes.

[dapper shell]

it turned out ok. https://nedbatchelder.com/blog/202207/the_fall.html

(and it's all grist for the blog mill!)

[soft violet]

Hm.

Still a mystery, then?

[dapper shell]

the neurosurgeon seemed pretty certain. He pointed to a dark patch on my MRI and said: that's a cavernoma in a epigenetic (likely to cause seizures) spot.

(i think i used that word wrong)

[soft violet]

Oh. Goodo. Well a diagnosis is something.

[dapper shell]

epileptogenic

[soft violet]

Hard to do much without one.

[spare oriole]

Another perspective on severity: I took my bike to the shop to get it checked out. I was telling the bike dude about the crash. He said, “You didn’t need dental work? Then no big deal!”

based

[vale hull]

I get like 120+

[tardy rain]

Consider exercising

[vale hull]

It’s caused by stimulants

[vale hull]

Checked again, resting is 70-75 right now

So 120 would be an exaggeration

[torpid hare]

is cats harvesting every keystroke on earth?

[uneven pine]

What

[green pelican]

Who's cat

[torpid hare]

all

[solemn tulip]

hfuisdlhfduilsahfuiwahfjdkshakjfheu

is cat

[alpine nimbus]

whats good everyone

[uneven pine]

Coffee

[green pelican]

coffee is overrated

id rather take a few years off my life with energy drinks

they taste better

[uneven pine]

You've just not found your coffee yet

Coffee is like wine

[green pelican]

no

i hate the bitterness

[uneven pine]

Good coffee isn't bitter

[green pelican]

i feel like

im being gaslit by coffee people

coffee people are just different

on the insane side

[uneven pine]

And what "good coffee" is will be different to everyone

But seriously it's like wine

There are thousands upon thousands of variations

Espresso alone is an absolute unit of different flavors and experiences

[green pelican]

if i need to try thousands of variations of something to find a tolerable one i think its not for me

[uneven pine]

Some people like flowery acidic espresso but I can't stand it

I like chocolate, smokey, and earthy notes

Couple of local places make a really nice espresso like that I've found

[green pelican]

man im glad this isnt my daily browser

[sharp jasper]

you're right man.
I drink coffee now but it took me a long time to acquire the taste.
And you're totally right.
Coffee people are just as annoying as wine people. there is no good reason to try a zillion kinds until you get used to the taste and start associating coffee with pleasant feelings. It's fine to just not like it

oh wait I forgot to gaslight you

"you just gotta keep trying it until you get addicted to the morning caffeine buzz" best I can do

[green pelican]

Lmao

[thick ore]

brave sucks so much man

it's basically just chromium with web3 + AI + crypto

[green pelican]

Real

[thick ore]

and an adblocker

which is probably just ubo

[green pelican]

I only have it as a backup if Firefox isn't working

Because it's basically the only option that's not horrible

[jaunty wraith]

cat

[buoyant wolf]

how are you doing guys

[strange blade]

tired

[buoyant wolf]

i just revived an 4gb of ram laptop

hahaha

[candid galleon]

3 frames per week

[buoyant wolf]

nooo

im using linux

and i use nvim, so this is like 8gb of ram in windows

[thick ore]

GPU gets back to you within 3-4 business days

and you're running GNOME?! out of all DEs...

especially considering this is a low end laptop

[buoyant wolf]

what do you use ?

[thick ore]

also gnome

but i have a relatively high end laptop

for low-end pcs i would use lxqt/lxde/xfce

or cinnamon

[buoyant wolf]

i tried mint since it is much more lighter, but i had a lot of problem with it

so i switched to pop os

i would like to have this os in a modern laptop tho

[buoyant wolf]

yeah i was using mint cinnamont

if i start having problems with this, i will try to switch again to mint

[thick ore]

what were the problems

[buoyant wolf]

When i boot with the normal mint cinnamont
It never boot, like always with the black mirror, if i wanted it to boot, i had to boot it from the advance mood and choose another option

So it was a little bit tedious

And with this distro

I dont have any problem

[torpid hare]

you can share you NIC with the os in the virtual box?

[proven siren]

Import numpy as pandas? No. Import numpy as os and import os as numpy? Yes. CONFUSION GALORE!

[soft violet]

import numpy as np
import pandas as pd
import os```

In case anyone is actually confused as to the canonical import statements for those modules.

[jaunty wraith]

what's your definition of canonical?

[soft violet]

Not church. Not boom booms.

[jaunty wraith]

tools like isort (and by extension, ruff) sort imports into categories like stdlib, third-party, first-party, relative

[green pelican]

Fairly sure yeah

[carmine apex]

@woeful phoenix
https://enigma.hoerenberg.com/index.php?cat=Unbroken
it appears that part of the problem is that the message is possibly corrupted. Additionally, it sounds like they're doubly-encrypted, and this one is rather short

[woeful phoenix]

thanks, this is interesting

[spare oriole]

@woeful phoenix

forgot to tell you before, seems like your favorite resource will be fixed

[woeful phoenix]

Nice. Thanks for taking the time to email them

[vale raven]

You didn't even get a capital letter for half your sentences

[spare oriole]

did i ask

[lament cairn]

https://snowleopard.org/first-ever-observation-of-water-digging-behavior-in-snow-leopards/

[jaunty wraith]

cat

[vale hull]

Base something off garbage, you still get garbage...

[green pelican]

what editor is that

i cant tell if i hate or love how minimal it is

[vale hull]

VSCodium but with a theme I made

[green pelican]

kinda fire

ngl

im a big high contrast kinda guy ngl

[vale hull]

Yes, it is mostly to compensate for my vision

[green pelican]

its funny cause im the exact opposite rn

[coarse apex]

Hell yeah

You look legit for my work

I have no idea what you wrote but I think you have mastered it

[green pelican]

no its emacs lisp ill never master it

[coarse apex]

I still have no idea what that means

[spare oriole]

bruh wtf

this is literally unusable

[green pelican]

What part

[spare oriole]

all of it

[green pelican]

Lol

[spare oriole]

i can't read anyhthing on there

probs bc of your background

[green pelican]

I've been using it exactly like that for months

[glossy niche]

ayo

lepard news

[vale hull]

It is, to be honest. As unreadable as the language used.

[green pelican]

I will destroy you

Lisp slander will not be tolerated

[solemn tulip]

why is duolingo roasting me?

[timid latch]

It's kinda their brand at this point

[grave cove]

https://youtu.be/knkEzgT_UeE?si=WfygsBGD7vcyyAk0

official duolingo account btw

theyre fully leaning into the homocidal green bird meme

[uneven pine]

I need to get back into that habit of studying

[quasi blaze]

My new computer case

Idk how this is supposed to get booted up because I don’t see a plug outlet

No plug outlet

[carmine apex]

that's the bottom

[grave cove]

the plug outlet is on your PSU

[grave cove]

what you're seeing here is the bottom of the psu

[lament cairn]

nvm

[grave cove]

also if its just this case with nothing in it you wont see a plug outlet

[quasi blaze]

Ohhhh

So the psu is supposed to have the plug outlet

[grave cove]

yes

[spare oriole]

🗿

[grave cove]

this slots directly into the hole, plug side facing outwards

in your case, exhaust side facing downwards

though i think there's only one configuration in which it'll go in anyway so it shouldn't be an issue slotting it in

[young shoal]

maybe some pc building video watching is in order

[carmine apex]

assuming the psu is at the bottom, which, tbf, is usually the case nowadays

i suppose you're guessing the screen on ke's second picture is the vent for the psu, though, which is a solid guess

[grave cove]

no i'm guessing that because i have the same case and thats the proper configuration for it

[carmine apex]

ah

since you have the same case, what are the yellow usb ports? always-on 3.2?

[grave cove]

i have no idea i never connected the front panel

[young shoal]

what about the power button

[grave cove]

it has a separate connector

[grave cove]

though this is a good guess

[carmine apex]

guess, schmess. i looked it up, and that's one of the possibilites

other is 3.1 gen 2 iirc

[grave cove]

I actually kinda lied I have this one usbc hooked up so I can charge my phone

[young shoal]

bro doesn't have a fast charger

[carmine apex]

also yellow is sometimes always-on sometimes not? ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[grave cove]

ive never tried using it when my computer was off though

[grave cove]

i fast charge it when i sleep

[carmine apex]

them wireless things are okay but they're hella slow

[grave cove]

it is but its just passive charging

[carmine apex]

also the person i know who uses one, it turns their phone into a brick of lava

said phone is also terrible, though

[grave cove]

i figured instead of just leaving the phone on the side of the desk why not put it on the charger

[quasi blaze]

Can I see your PC build list? I am curious

[grave cove]

i dont have a pcpartpicker thingy but

• ryzen 7800x3d
• rtx 3070
• 2 x 16gb ddr5-6000 g.skill flare x5
• asus b650
• thermaltake gf a3 psu
• corsair 4000d airflow

[carmine apex]

g.skill issue, you mean

[vale hull]

If we are showing pc build lists:

• Motherboard: ASRock B550M Pro4
• CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 5600
• Memory: 2x16GB DDR4-3200 ECC Micron MTA9ASF2G72AZ-3G2B1
• GPU: ASRock Challenger D AMD Radeon RX 6700 XT 12GB
• SSDs: 1TB SK hynix Platinum P41 + 512GB Samsung PM9A1
• Power Supply: Corsair RM850x
• CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO V2
• Case: Cooler Master N200

[rough sapphire]

my pc specs:
potato with some wires
and a monitor, mouse, keyboard

[hybrid root]

• computer

[buoyant wolf]

@carmine apex do you know about web development?

[carmine apex]

no

[grave cove]

based

[jaunty wraith]

but you love spiders

[carmine apex]

eh, maybe the big ones

tarantulas are okay

them giant camel spiders can absolutely get meteor'd though

[torpid hare]

some people have instinct for fearing spiders

[vale raven]

See spider?

that simple

You can always get a new house

You can't get a new life

[torpid hare]

but not sea spiders

https://tenor.com/view/spider-crab-spidercrab-gif-3536382

[vale raven]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-no-nonono-noooo-cat-no-gif-13597132752790194338

[torpid hare]

the type of stuff you encounter in deep ocean

[stark prawn]

people do get new lives

[drowsy rose]

yeah

the +1s in super smash bros

[spare oriole]

so uh

how many times have you moved?

[vale raven]

317

[vale hull]

Sea headcrab

[gilded prawn]

The houses in the park are free, you can take as many as you want. I have 819 houses.

[vale hull]

Kinda wish my case had USB C. I might get or, better, make a front drive bay thing with USB C.

If I make one, I can have it support USB PD up to 20v.

[vocal oyster]

and which ones have a private climbing gym

[gilded prawn]

none of them and that's a problem

[vocal oyster]

we should fix that

[gilded prawn]

we need to buy a church

and retrofit it with walls

unrelated, fp tonight?

[vocal oyster]

oh go on then

[gilded prawn]

(I cannae make it tomorro')

[vocal oyster]

I feel it's a bit related

aha

[gilded prawn]

das ist why i strikethrough'd the un

[gilded prawn]

lets call it 7pm so I dont need to suffer on the M4 lol

[vocal oyster]

sounds good since I need to do food shop before dinner

[gilded prawn]

I may come entirely unrecognisable

(no beard)

I also may not

who knows

[vocal oyster]

hmm

[torpid hare]

ThePrimeTime is a good source?

[gilded prawn]

It depends really, Prime has some good takes, some unremarkable takes, and some bad takes, I'd suggest using his content for entertainment when you know what you're doing in an area, not for learning it, because it'll be difficult for learners to pick apart which bits are sensible and which bits aren't

[torpid hare]

because it'll be difficult for learners to pick apart which bits are sensible and which bits aren't I feel that

[tardy rain]

Prime is an old man yelling at the clouds in the sky

[vocal oyster]

real

[glossy niche]

prime isn't a source of any kind, he's a dude giving his opinions

he does not state facts, he states vibes

[lament cairn]

https://vxtwitter.com/KeetaCat/status/1859629011560739167.mp4
clouded leopards sound like cats on autotune

[glossy niche]

that's an exquisite meow ngl

[torpid hare]

https://tenor.com/view/menacing-face-venom-the-last-dance-angry-alien-venom-3-sony-pictures-gif-15508296009189023618

[cloud oxide]

looks tasty 🙂

[unkempt python]

send something to make me laugh pls

im tired af

[glossy niche]

https://youtu.be/ZiiKxtiZrsQ?si= this is always funny to me

[arctic nymph]

Any advice

[hexed sierra]

always salt your pasta while boiling it

[sacred cove]

Why

[undone thorn]

to make it taste like salt

[cloud oxide]

Is the advice pinned lol

[green pelican]

Salt raises the boiling temp of water

[round pendant]

drawing thingies sometimes or whatever
first time trying color

[glossy niche]

never buy pizza if you are walking home under the rain, worst mistake of my life

[glossy niche]

this looks really good ngl

[acoustic moss]

fr

very cool 👍

[quasi blaze]

I learned a new term in software development: “overengineering”

[torpid hare]

it can't be the worst

[torpid hare]

what about overfitting?

[quasi blaze]

Never heard of it

[young shoal]

why not?

[quasi blaze]

Because I am not an all-knowing person

[young shoal]

so?

most people aren't, but they know what overfitting is

[quasi blaze]

What is your point?

[young shoal]

your answer is a copout

[spare oriole]

aren't they all?

[young shoal]

no

[spare oriole]

aren't a lot of em

[young shoal]

i wouldn't know

[spare oriole]

aren't you

[young shoal]

i don't know what you mean by that

[spare oriole]

are you

[young shoal]

am i what

[spare oriole]

yes

[young shoal]

i don't know what you mean by that

[spare oriole]

why not

[young shoal]

maybe you aren't a native english speaker, so you can't communicate effectively

[spare oriole]

ingles no es mi primer idioma, entonces sabra dios.

[young shoal]

!rule 4

[royal lake]

Rules

4. Use English to the best of your ability. Be polite if someone speaks English imperfectly.

[grave cove]

this is what I imagine happens when you make 2 chatgpt instances talk to each other

[spare oriole]

yes

[spare oriole]

ok and

[rain marsh]

couldn't have said it better myself

[wanton moth]

cringe

[spare oriole]

have you seen robin and doggo talk to each other?

[vale raven]

Have you?

You... wot

[young shoal]

that is definitely a skill issue

[jaunty wraith]

on the part of Java, yeah

[torpid hare]

english is the language of the internet

[brazen ingot]

!pypi blist

[royal lake]

blist v1.3.6

a list-like type with better asymptotic performance and similar performance on small lists

Released on <t:1394724581:D>.

[jaunty wraith]

not even the A list smh

[brazen ingot]

sir its blisst

[green pelican]

!pip alist

[royal lake]

AList v2.0.0

Anime/manga manager with other features

Released on <t:1626176910:D>.

[green pelican]

heres the A list

[spare oriole]

that gives me flashback to your apip

!pypi apip

[royal lake]

apip v0.2.0

An asynchronous api wrapper for pip!

Released on <t:1659154553:D>.

[green pelican]

my?

[spare oriole]

that's not you?

[green pelican]

!pip asrch

[royal lake]

asrch v7.8.1

A terminal based webscraper and browser

Released on <t:1722221266:D>.

[green pelican]

this is me

[spare oriole]

then it must be one of the other guys i confuse you with

[green pelican]

i dont fuck with async

that shit

yeah

hell no

rust scarred me

[spare oriole]

ah its

@drowsy rose

[green pelican]

ah

the other zoomer cybersecurity nerd

[spare oriole]

yes

[grave cove]

real

[quasi blaze]

So what if it is?

[young shoal]

someone might draw conclusions

[quasi blaze]

ok

[lament cairn]

https://vxtwitter.com/highzie/status/1861031499715485769.mp4

[brazen ingot]

polar bears better

[quasi blaze]

What do you call it when you make a speech about something that has been completed after you went through that thing?

[graceful basin]

retrospective comes to mind, but that's not necessarily a speech

[quasi blaze]

Nice

[jaunty wraith]

perhaps a debriefing?

[quasi blaze]

https://www.linkedin.com/posts/nxqdlinkedin_choosing-the-right-tool-for-the-job-a-quick-activity-7267007684736888832-9pS8?utm_source=share&utm_medium=member_ios

Look how fast Python executes 1 billion nested loops

According to the author

[graceful basin]

yea, that seems about right. The implication that this is somehow a damming argument against using Python is silly.

[young shoal]

why does this matter in your own words?

[quasi blaze]

I see what you’re doing

[young shoal]

what am i doing?

[quasi blaze]

Forget it lol

[young shoal]

i can't

[grave cove]

Bro has anti dementia

[stark prawn]

all the comments casually shitting on the author

[lament cairn]

https://vxtwitter.com/yukino_lr/status/1861748666224242977.mp4

sound on

[grave cove]

zesty ahh pic

[solemn tulip]

1 billion nested loops
u wot?

[carmine apex]

execute in the punishment sense, maybe

[grave cove]

i too write 1 billion nested loops in my code in a day to day basis

[carmine apex]

while True:
    del prod
    while True:
        del prod
``` something like this perhaps

[vale hull]

rawr

[vale hull]

Seems great until one tries writing a website in Rust or C

[lament cairn]

https://vxtwitter.com/hamamatsuzoo/status/1861697525146878117.mp4

BRUSH THE KITTY

[spare oriole]

ok and?

does it matter?

[acoustic moss]

my god

stop jumping at his throat every time keezy posts something

[quasi blaze]

Thanks

[vale hull]

And that's actually readable https://www.reddit.com/r/ChatGPT/comments/10y2nc9/i_got_chatgpt_to_talk_to_itself_it_took_an/#lightbox

[spare oriole]

strange, when others do it to me you don't say anything

[acoustic moss]

feel free to report moderation oversights to modmail

[unkempt python]

why is krrt getting so much hate tday wtf

[thick ore]

its just a normal day in ot1

[naive igloo]

DAMN GOOD

[brazen ingot]

@young shoal the hats in 👀

[young shoal]

👀

[brazen ingot]

idempotent

[torpid hare]

did you as programmers enjoy things like when travelling in an airplane

as part of the programming world?

there no one a machine that can transport hundreds of people sit in chairs in the air

without very good programming behind it

[undone thorn]

Technology is magic and we are modern wizards

[vale raven]

https://thenewstack.io/how-the-u-s-air-force-deployed-kubernetes-and-istio-on-an-f-16-in-45-days/

There is tons of software in modern day aviation

Invalid TCAS data has crashed airplanes

[torpid hare]

and the people behind was accountable?

[undone thorn]

There are defcon talks about spoofing adb comms

Making airplanes appear on the trackers where they don't exist

[vale raven]

Sort of
There’s not one single person behind anything
But sweeping changes to regulations have been made
Flying is incredibly safe
The FAA has grounded entire fleets of aircraft until the problem with their software can be found

[torpid hare]

I think it's the most safe means of transportation

statistically

[vale raven]

yeah

Theres thousands of car crashes ever single day but the office of public safety doesn’t “ground” cars

Two planes crash and every plane of that model gets grounded

FAA doesn’t fuck around

[torpid hare]

you can pass out inside of the cockpit

and the plane still going on

some military technology is old but still incredible

[vale raven]

Yeah

https://youtu.be/bpyLbJAU464

[torpid hare]

because was neves disclosure to the public

[vale raven]

You lose your air pressure you’re in for a bad time

[uneven pine]

And yet the 737MAX is still flying

Boeing still not being held accountable and the death traps are still flying

If it's Boeing I'm not going

[torpid hare]

Boeings takes some pictures for google earth

and even accurate ones when then they are going down

to crash

[uneven pine]

We keep getting more and more proof that Boeing has Ava maintains an awful safety culture, uses known defective parts to save money, and has had sweeping quality control issues for years now

And yet they're still flying

[torpid hare]

uses only the exact right amount of fuel to get to the target

[weak peak]

Helios 522 haunts me

[vale raven]

Is that that story?

[weak peak]

yes

[vale raven]

Why that one in particular?

[torpid hare]

https://tenor.com/view/brrrrr-plane-gif-19853795

[quasi blaze]

I wonder what in the world software developers who work for banks develop

[tardy rain]

the super old unmaintanable spaghetti code software

[young shoal]

bank software

[torpid hare]

who audit then to not make a transference of millions of dollars to his account without trace

banks are the most profitable thing in the world

like digital banks

imagine I transfered $ 500 for you

[vale raven]

Money storage
Transaction management
Fraud detection
A inventory system for debit and card cards so they can keep track of issued cards and when they expire
Their website and mobile app

[torpid hare]

you can go to a bank and take that in cash

but what if I entered two 00 by a logical flaw

[quasi blaze]

That all sounds interesting. i wonder what Python library they use for fraud detection and what the code looks like storing expired debit and credit cards

[torpid hare]

I already received calls from the bank

saying that a person was using my card to buy something far away from me

I said of course it wasn't me

how they cloned the card

[quasi blaze]

All done by code eh?

[torpid hare]

no

with a cloned card

[quasi blaze]

No I am saying what executed the phone call to notify you was all done by a written software

[torpid hare]

yes, but I talked with a real person

[young shoal]

alerting will be automatic. calls will be manual

[rough sapphire]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-meme-gif-14922675818058709477

[quasi blaze]

There GitHub repository must be massive

[tardy rain]

Its probably not on github

And not in a single repo either

[carmine apex]

https://calpaterson.com/bank-python.html

[jaunty wraith]

my bank auto calls me for moderately large transactions

[tardy rain]

they dont trust you?

[jaunty wraith]

idk

[tardy rain]

i think you have the answer

[undone thorn]

They don't trust the transactions. Obviously they trust you or they wouldn't be calling you

[spare oriole]

what's moderately large

$30?

[vale raven]

$7

[spare oriole]

my condolences

[quasi blaze]

Is this the same in the U.S? It’s probably higher

[spare oriole]

you're specifically looking in ontario for a reason, even in the US pay varies widely city by city

[quasi blaze]

I see

[thick osprey]

That's an interesting break down. Why is it hourly? Is that base pay or does it somehow include the usual additionals?

[quasi blaze]

I get paid hourly so I compared it to that

Here is yearly

[tardy rain]

why are you hourly

is that typical for canadians

[quasi blaze]

It was a part of my employment offer

[tardy rain]

that is suspicious

[thick osprey]

So base pay before bonuses or additional things?

Hourly isn't rare. It's just more uncommon than not.

[quasi blaze]

Idk. How do I check

[tardy rain]

its time to get out keezy

[quasi blaze]

I don’t think so. I am the only developer I know that gets paid hourly

[quasi blaze]

I was thinking about creating an exit plan after my manager was being nitpicky

[tardy rain]

what kind of exit plan

just update your cv and start applying

[thick osprey]

I don't know the site you are using. The number aligns with glassdoor's base pay for that title and area.

[tardy rain]

it'll be easier this time around

[quasi blaze]

I do a ton of research and I get mixed reviews about 2 years being the standard to not look like a job hopper

[thick osprey]

Look like a job hopper. You work to live, not live to work.

[quasi blaze]

Other people say it doesn’t matter

[quasi blaze]

https://www.ziprecruiter.com/Salaries/Junior-Developer-Salary--in-Ontario

[thick osprey]

I don't know your situation so I'm not saying "go jump ship". I'm saying don't let looks stop you if you need too.

[quasi blaze]

As in probably wait until I work here for 24 months and if I don’t get a raise, it’s time to move on

[tardy rain]

thats too long

did you get a raise last year?

a significant raise i mean

[quasi blaze]

Well technically yeah. On my first day, I was put on probation for three months. after my three months was up, i got a raise

[tardy rain]

not an inflation adjustment

[quasi blaze]

The raise was up by $2.50 CAD per hour

[tardy rain]

how much is that yearly, my brain doesnt work hourly

[graceful basin]

~2000 times more

[tardy rain]

btw, average tenure at my company is around 4.1years or so linkedin says

[quasi blaze]

I earned $5200 CAD more

[tardy rain]

but im sure in the industry its much lower

[quasi blaze]

These words are wise. Thanks

[quasi blaze]

So far my situation is that I work for a startup company. I worked here since July 2023

I don’t think they can afford to give me a raise tbh

I definitely want to hold this job longer until I fly to Miami in December. Flight is booked already

[thick osprey]

They have a choice. They can afford a raise or they can afford to retrain a new hire. 🤷🏽‍♀️

It's common to feel apprehensive about looking like someone that jumps jobs. I got that all the time in retail. One of my last successful interviews included the question: "This is your third job in two years. Why so many?"

My answer: "One was a temp job and the other didn't pay the bills at 12 hours a week with minimum wage."
Them: "How do we know you won't just leave here?"
Me: "I just gave you a really big clue on how to keep me...."

[quasi blaze]

They have a choice. They can afford a raise or they can afford to retrain a new hire. 🤷🏽‍♀️

I have a question. How common is it to get a raise in tech and what is the average frequency for raises?

[thick osprey]

You should get one yearly at the minimum so long as the company is doing well. (and even if they aren't in my opinion). Outside of that usually only with role changes.

[quasi blaze]

I see

Thanks for the insight

[thick osprey]

I suppose exceptions to that will always exist. But it doesn't sound like you're working for just stocks.

[quasi blaze]

What do you mean by stocks?

[thick osprey]

Company stock options. A common thing offered in the states when the wage it low due to the state of the company (startup, rebounding, etc). Low wage but "high" stock options. Usually not worth it and always a gamble.

My company went public and half my bonuses turned into stock options. I was more than a little vocal about it.

"We want to reward you for the amazing work"... Cool, here's my bank account. Put money in it.

((I do have investment options. I just prefer my salary to be in cash that I can spend if I need it and not locked in a four year vestment program))

[spare oriole]

.bm thanks

[thick osprey]

The ugly side of jobs is that it's very uncommon to get a big pay raise unless you jump between companies. Unfortunate truth of the industry. I feel like it's rather global truth too though I'd be happy to be wrong.

[spare oriole]

yeah, the big pay raises is why "job hopping" has become popular

[thick osprey]

I started at 55k yearly USD. The fact that I'm making 100k+ more than that yearly now at the same company is super fucking rare and I'm still underpaid for the position.

[spare oriole]

oof

i'm very happy for my first tech job, i think i'm being paid pretty damn fairly for my background, but probably not for my experience, but i'll let my experience show before making a fuss

[thick osprey]

((there are other reason I stay))

[quasi blaze]

Did the difficulty level of your job increase as well and is that difficulty level equivalent to how much you’re making now?

[robust zephyr]

Staying at the same job for a long time is almost always a huge loss of opportunities and money

[lament cairn]

This sounds like betting your job or even your whole career on HR being understanding and not simply moving on to the next, less risky candidate. Seems like advice that would only work for seniors - or maybe I'm looking at the job market wrong

[tardy rain]

it only works if you have an offer on hand

[spare oriole]

gib offer WSB

[tardy rain]

(dont gamble your job away)

[thick osprey]

Oh 10 fold difficulty increase.

[tardy rain]

Whomst?

[spare oriole]

(WSB = Wall street bro)

[tardy rain]

You want a wall street job?

I dont think you do

[spare oriole]

no, i'm calling you a WSB

you give off those vibes, idk why

[tardy rain]

Bro i write jquery for work

[spare oriole]

what's jquery?

[thick osprey]

It's being confident in your worth.

[tardy rain]

Why would you think that

[vale raven]

Is that a serious question?

15 years ago, it was a really cool JS framework that was inspirational for it’s time
Now JS actually works, and JQuery’s style of programming is considered an anti pattern
So they only place you’ll see it now is people bitching about legacy shit

[spare oriole]

you know me, do you think it is?

[vale raven]

Yes

[spare oriole]

🥴

why?

[robust zephyr]

[grave cove]

We need to go back to jquery

[vale raven]

https://tenor.com/view/no-nooo-nope-eat-fingerwag-gif-12358308896192153975

[carmine apex]

jquery is the that uses $ a ton right

[vale raven]

Yes

[tardy rain]

jquery is comfy

much better than checks node_modules uh, react

[stark prawn]

You can do most jq stuff easily in vanilla nowadays

[tardy rain]

jq is a different much cooler thing

[thick osprey]

Came back and re-read this. I think I misunderstood your comments. My own comment on a company either choosing to give a yearly raise or choosing to hire a new employee isn't meant as "get a raise or leave the same day" advice. When a company stop paying an employee what they are worth (or even matching the minimum par for the job) then it's time to start looking for a new job. No guilt, no judgement.

As it was mentioned, you don't want to put your job on the line unless you have the new one lined up and ready to go. ((or unless its a moral issue, mileage varies here))

[lament cairn]

I see

[soft violet]

hOW VERY DISloyal Of You

WE are FaMiLy here!1 Ur walkng ouT on ur FAMILY!

Leaving is illegal, we have a contract.

You're going to give all of our trade secrets to our competition. We'll sue you.

You can't leave until you've trained your replacement.

You're basically stealing from us at this point.

Don't even think of crawling back to us.

[carmine apex]

hello, dear replacment!
alright, this is what you do:
see that door? that's the boss's office. write up a letter of resignation, put in on their desk when they're not here, and then walk out the other door and go home

alright i'm done

[soft violet]

We did you a favour hiring you in the first place.

Don't bother asking us for a reference.

Who are they? Where are you going?

[lament cairn]

Damn Opal you've seen some shit huh

[soft violet]

No, not really. I just pay attention to people's minds.

Even in day to day conversations, people say more than they mean to.

I'm not immune.

Certain turns of phrase.

Stressing importance of things that aren't actually important.

Because they are important, just for some other reason that you aren't aware of.

Then SURPRISE!

[vale raven]

Or they just think they’re important

Sometimes there is no greater picture, just incompetence

[soft violet]

Ah, yes, it's been fine just having people understand what the procedures are and not important to have them written down.

Then all of a sudden it is very important to have them written down.

Then GOODBYE.

Your replacement then has the list of procedures to work from.

Oh, whoops, where did that list go?

Oh, well. No matter.

They know what they're doing.

It's not important.

It's not about reading minds, it's about seeing the shape of them.

Terry Pratchett. Very clever man.

Keen observer of humanity.

Or,ooh, the other one.

Make sure those procedural documents are "up-to"date".

Or inventing conversations that never happened or happened differently.

Employers like to conjure narratives.

No, you weren't taking leave. You were quitting.

That's what you told us.

What do you mean you're back here wondering where your job went?

[vale raven]

#python-discussion message

[lament cairn]

that message/story makes me want to tear my eyes out from second hand embarassment

how is your boss real

[soft violet]

Shut up. Shut up shut up. 😄

Yes, touche. Shut up.

[soft violet]

I never said it was my boss.

[lament cairn]

talking to dog

shouldve set a reply

mb

[soft violet]

Gifts paid for from deducted salary.

Same, but pizza party.

Minimum wage laws say what?

You work for tips.

The tips are company property.

[grave cove]

Bro got gaslit

[soft violet]

All y'all in the U.S. really need to stop tipping. Destroying that system is a duty. Tipping may resume when workers' rights to fair wage conditions independent of tips are in place.

[thick osprey]

Keep em coming. The tears of middle management are like vitamins to me. Delicious.

[thick osprey]

WE are FaMiLy here!1 Ur walkng ouT on ur FAMILY!
Yup. Didn't stop me with my blood family. Won't stop me now.

[soft violet]

The employer is engaging you to spend your time in a place doing work. If you don't have a regular paycheck for your time, don't put up with that.

Things will only get worse through inaction.

[grave cove]

wouldn’t that affect the workers the most first

[soft violet]

Yes.

[carmine apex]

tipping will sooner be made legally mandatory than be allowed to stop

[soft violet]

There are two roads. A muddy ditch with high walls next to a paved freeway. People need to keep moving forward to live. They could try to climb out, but that would involve them having to stop moving forward.

[robust zephyr]

It’s already optional

[soft violet]

People are spending their time. Employers are paying for work.

People should be paid for their time.

[carmine apex]

to be perfectly jocular, there's also the option of spending more than two seconds on the paved freeway and then getting kerblammed by a pedestrian-seeking missile suv

[timid latch]

If it's mandatory it isn't tipping, then it's just part of the price

[soft violet]

No custom? No pay?

Being required to sit around all day for...what, then?

[thick osprey]

Well, are you talking about tipping now or commission based pay?

[thick ore]

why does tipping culture even exist

restaurants should just pay their employees more

[solemn tulip]

but that involves paying more

[timid latch]

You are already paying more when you are tipping

[solemn tulip]

I meant the restaurants 😛

why pay more when you can pay less and offload the rest on the customers and guilt trip them?

[small coral]

my finger burns

i thought it'd be a good idea to make chili oil with raw peppers instead of chili flakes (because i can't find the latter)

now my fingers burn in agony

[solemn tulip]

now rub your eyes

[small coral]

too late, the burning disappeared

[solemn tulip]

missed opportunity

[small coral]

there was this one time in my childhood where i chopped up peppers, put them in water in a mug, and drank it all

so my entire face and both hands burned

9/10 definitely a learning experience

[small coral]

it was worth it

omg

[vale raven]

https://tenor.com/view/bad-movies-rule-double-dragon-movie-i-can-see-you-gif-3236750428534114002

[quasi blaze]

I have been too comfortable with using Python for my job that I seriously don’t want to use Java and SpringBoot for another job lol

[quasi blaze]

I would like to know what repository software developers who work for banks use if they aren’t using GitHub

[harsh tundra]

Self-hosted solutions exist

[tardy rain]

There are many other git platforms and also self hosting

Not a bank but we use bitbucket

[harsh tundra]

Several years ago Atlassian deprecated self-hosted bitbucket. It worked well with self-hosted jira. My partner's company still uses jira and bitbucket on their own servers

[vale raven]

Would you be okay using Rails?

[tardy rain]

Go where the money and benefits are and dont worry about tech

[vale raven]

but I only want to work with my favorite stack!!

[quasi blaze]

I heard of it but I never looked into it

[vale raven]

Have you looked into Java?

[tardy rain]

My favourite stack is the stack of cash i'll be making 💰💰

[quasi blaze]

This reminds me of my old worker who is a fortlift driver at a warehouse. When he found out that I was leaving, he told me “Follow the money.”

[tardy rain]

Wise man

[vale hull]

Rails and Java are mid tbh

[vale raven]

excuse you?

[quasi blaze]

Oh yeah for sure. I learned that in college

It’s too verbose

For me

[vale raven]

It's annoying, yeah

Still runs the world though, not much escaping it, no matter how much I run

[quasi blaze]

I think Python is the most pushed language on GitHub. I could be wrong

[young shoal]

why do you think that

[vale raven]

@thick osprey

[quasi blaze]

https://www.theregister.com/2024/11/05/python_dethrones_javascript_github/

[thick osprey]

Chat, did they just de-lurk me?

[quasi blaze]

Because of articles like this

[young shoal]

interesting

[vale raven]

In 2024, Python overtook JavaScript as the most popular language on GitHub
- https://github.blog/news-insights/octoverse/octoverse-2024/

[uneven pine]

Speaking of Web stuff

What are you guys using for a reverse proxy in prod?

[vale hull]

Nginx

[thick osprey]

Whatever the system engineer installs.

[timid latch]

Cloudflare tunnels

[thick osprey]

Pretty sure it's mostly Envoy Proxies and Istio gateways where I work.

[quasi blaze]

5 years ago, I would have never thought I would be in tech. I never thought I had the intellectual aptitude to be in this field. Even before I made the consideration of joining those field, I knew people in tech were really smart and I didn’t think I could be on par on an intellectual level with someone in tech. I also wasn’t the greatest student academically in high school. I can’t believe I made it this far. I changed the trajectory of my life

[thick osprey]

It's fun, isn't it? Driving on the backroads.

[young shoal]

same at my internship

[thick osprey]

Kubernetes communication and control planes go brrr

[vale raven]

God bless Kubernetes
They were one letter away from being so much better though

[vale raven]

I just wanted to hand out with my friends

[thick osprey]

What are we handing out? We're not doing another petition collection thing at the corner of 14th and Jefferson again are we? That was rough.

The pizza afterward was good though.

[vale raven]

They moved us up to 15th this year

[young shoal]

but there is no 14th street 🤨

it's 13, broad, then 15 🤨

[thick osprey]

Chat, this person doesn't know where to find 14th.

[lament cairn]

nginx
(+ cf tunnels for self hosted stuff)

[low chasm]

nginx 🥺

[low chasm]

there's some amazing backroads here

i dont have a car I can enjoy them with though 😔

[vale raven]

Azure magics it into existence for me

[quasi blaze]

Insightful

My employment offer doesn’t outline any salary increases

Another reason to search for jobs but I think I need to increase my tenure just a tad bit

[thick osprey]

Are you saying you need to wait before starting a search? Do you have a vestment schedule or a signed contract locking you into a particular length of time?

[quasi blaze]

Not at all, it’s that they are job postings that do require applicants to have two years of developing experience

[stark prawn]

That can often be flexible

[thick osprey]

Oh, I see where you are coming from. Those are just guidelines. Written by an HR department that asked a leadership team who asked the team members to summarize what they needed to do their job. If you feel you can do the job outlined, I'd not sweat the years of experience quoted.

[vale raven]

What's the general consensus for an "acceptable" amount of time?

[thick osprey]

Acceptable to whom for what?

[solemn tulip]

I haven't touched in years now 😌

[vale raven]

Just because you don't see it doesn't mean it isn't there

[solemn tulip]

in my case it is not much java, the stack I'm dealing with is basically all C++ and some python

there is some java far up in the stack doing some orchestration

but my work is below that level

[acoustic moss]

java is great

[solemn tulip]

I had to code in java 8 a few years back

with some java 10 (I think) features backported

android moment

[thick osprey]

Java 8? That was a decade ago

[stark prawn]

Yesterday in the corporate timeline

[thick osprey]

Just a sprint ago.

That's, what, only ten or twevle jira tickets ago!

[solemn tulip]

apparently at work I've submitted code in 8 languages

C++, python, shell, java, typescript, go, rust, sql

• like 6-8 data formats and build file formats

[stark prawn]

js, cjs, mjs, cts, mts

[solemn tulip]

my condolences

[young shoal]

I've never heard of an offer that promised raises

[quasi blaze]

I wonder what it’s like working for a big cooperation

[vale raven]

Lots of paperwork

[thick osprey]

Which part? It's a lot like a normal day anywhere else. Big corporations are made up of smaller teams.

[quasi blaze]

The software development side of things. I wonder what repository they use, what the code looks like, how many lines of code you need to read, wondering if the highers up need to sign off on feature additions, changes, updates and etc

[stark prawn]

Determining what features get added, changed, updated etc is a different job from actually implementing them.

[vale raven]

I wonder what repository they use,
GitHub Enterprise or self-hosted GitLab are the big ones from what I hear
what the code looks like,
Code is code, all the big boys have some public repos that you can look at
how many lines of code you need to read,
Every company has projects both small and big
wondering if the highers up need to sign off on feature additions, changes, updates and etc
Of course
But you the developer aren't going directly to the VP to get them to approve your PRs
VP talks to the project manager, project manager talks to the team leads
Team leads direct their teams
Joe the dev is still getting his PRs signed off by his team lead
TL;DR, The higher the manager, the bigger the picture they look at

[thick osprey]

Slightly a bit to unpack here. This is spoken in generalized terms:

Code and repositories look like what you would expect them to look like. The repo host varies by company. We use GitHub where I work. The code varies from wildly over complex to simple single line shell scripts. Code is code and most code could be written better. That's a bit of a static in the industry.

For size: I can only give examples. I have a relay service I built and maintain. With infrastructure as code, it weighs in at roughly 6k lines of code. I have an automation platform that I built and maintain. Without infrastructure as code (a separate repo) the code weighs in as of last Wednesday at 82k loc.

Higher ups "should" always be involved in large changes. That's a bit subjective but it can boil down to: If this breaks, what happens? If the impact is minimal and localized, it's on the team to manage. If the impact is wide spread, then directors and VPs get into the process to ensure no other, conflicting, huge changes are happening. It can slow things down a bit, but overall it works cleanly if everyone knows the process.

A lot of what is happening in my world at work right now is that key question "What will break if this deployment fails (or has a bug)" is being asked with extreme scrutiny.

I work with metrics, logging, monitoring, and observability. I also work directly with incident management. In the last two months our dev teams have made far too many "small changes" that have cost the company millions of dollars. Now we're at a stage where there is less trust on the teams making a judgement call and the directors/VPs are tuned into a lower level than before.

[quasi blaze]

Very interesting. Thanks for the in depth answers

[thick osprey]

This isn't sustainable. You can't deploy fast and have directors involved with every deployment. So my team, and six others, are working hard and fast to level up everyone on observability while other teams are putting more safeguards in the deployment process. Meanwhile, on the dev team side, they get to go through the really unfun process of literally proving their "small change" is needed, will work, can be reverted in less than 5 minutes, and won't cause a high severity incident.

But when it all works the way it should and the devs have the tools to critically see and think about the changes.... it's just another Tuesday. Write code, meeting with stakeholder, deploy, repeat.

[quasi blaze]

In the last two months our dev teams have made far too many "small changes" that have cost the company millions of dollars.

Assuming the cost outweighed the benefits, Are they still on the team? If they costed the company millions of dollars, what prevented them from being fired?

[thick osprey]

Mistakes happen. If it isn't malicious or ill-intent, why would we fire someone for it?

[vale raven]

Oof
Yeah
After my first million dollar mistake, my boss said he was going to personally review every single one of my PRs
That last for about… half a PR

We’re tuned in to drastically different levels of the organization

It’s painful to try and do both at once

[thick osprey]

The failures the dev teams have seen are not solely on a developer. They are cracks in the entire process. From CEO down to the code.

If a leadership thinks that firing a dev who makes a mistake is a solution, they are a shit leader.

Now.... if said dev doesn't learn from said mistake or refuses to change their behavior... well now we have a different problem.

Numbers slightly adjusted and story slight fabricated to keep my own job safe:

We had a dev push a config change. That change took down enough of the company for long enough that the estimated revenue loss was in the hundreds of millions.

He went on working there for six more years before he took a new job at another company for double his salary. It was, at the end of the day, a failure of the system.

[vale raven]

IaC is good
How quick are your rollbacks?
I’m a one man show so to skip on the paperwork I just have a container in an Azure Web App. GitHub Actions hits a webhook to prompt it to download a new version. Me rolling back is me logging into the portal to paste in a specific image tag (I tag on every commit to the default branch)
I can roll back in about 3 minutes usually, if Azure is cooperating that day

[thick osprey]

They vary wildly. My own rollbacks for what I manage are 5-30 minutes. Next quarter I'm tasked with getting that to be 5 minutes or less.