ot1-perplexing-regexing

[low chasm]

for the debates I did, if someone pointed out a fact or statistic, you generally accepted it as true unless it was obviously false or wild, since it wasn't worth the effort to try and crack down on their statistics than it was cracking down on their argument

I used a study from like 1992 once and got away with it lol

[dapper dew]

Influencing people and trying to reach an agreement with them is a far cry from formal debates

I don't think I have ever participated in a formal debate

[quasi blaze]

“You are obese because you’re 6 ft 1 and 290 pounds!”

[low chasm]

yeah that's fair

[tardy rain]

That still could not be factual lol

[dapper dew]

But I'd like to think I am pretty good at getting people to agree on things, as it is a core requirement in my line of work

Different groups have different interests, and everything has a pro and con

So how do you get them all to agree on a course of action?

[tardy rain]

If you're too stuck on the facts, your opponents might think you're being rude, insulting, etc

[quasi blaze]

I just want to know how I can combat the tactic where my opponent dismisses my criticism of their delivery because their argument provided facts

[tardy rain]

Just dont focus on the facts

Youre attacking their argument

[low chasm]

I think you're overemphasizing the "debate" part of this, if you're just discussing some points that you disagree with someone on, getting caught up in the semantics of stuff isn't super worthwhile

[tardy rain]

They're obese - fact
Obese people are at a higher risk of diabetes, heart attack, stroke, etc

They lack quality of life, their life is more expensive

They could improve their life by going to the gym, eating better

Walking

[quasi blaze]

Well I mean facts is what substantiates your arguments

[tardy rain]

Its not just "youre fat, listen to me"

If all you have is "youre fat, so youre wrong" then youre not doing much debating

[low chasm]

like, rather than different "tactics" or trying to logically trap someone, I'd assume most discussion along these lines is probably in good faith, and you'd want to understand their point of view.

[tardy rain]

Also calling someone obese sounds like an insult

Are you sure youre not being fallacious yourself?

[dapper dew]

Well it will depend on what conclusion you are each trying to reach. Having facts to support your position is fine, but it can still lead to a wrong conclusion

[spice helm]

yay vik

vim

[dapper dew]

If I am trying to convince someone that we need to upgrade a system, I won't state facts that don't support it for example

As always, context matters

And I really don't think I have ever framed something as a formal debate when trying to argue for a certain position on things (professionally and personally)

[glossy niche]

what kind of argument are we talking? misleading statistics or something ?

[spice helm]

why are we talking about obese

[tardy rain]

Hyperfocusing on facts instead of conclusions from them

[dapper dew]

So far we seem to be discussing this

[quasi blaze]

If you calculate one’s BMI and it turns out that they are in fact obese, is it really an insult?

[quasi blaze]

It was an example.

[honest star]

How you say something can definitely make it an insult, even if it's true

[tardy rain]

If you focus on that being the crux of your argument then yes, youre being a silly goose

[quasi blaze]

So this is my point. This is where the criticism of their delivery comes into play

[tardy rain]

Also bmi on its own is not a good measure of health

[honest star]

Are you talking about a formal debate or just a discussion between people?

[quasi blaze]

They could say “My delivery doesn’t matter because what I am telling you is facts.” I want to combat that tactic

[tardy rain]

In a formal debate youre not allowed to call people obese lol

[low chasm]

lmao

[quasi blaze]

Both

[spice helm]

can we talk about vim 🙂

[tardy rain]

No

[low chasm]

the answer would depend, then. A formal debate typically has a set of rules for what is and isn't appropriate

[honest star]

You can in a different channel, this channel already has an active topic

[spice helm]

Ok

[honest star]

If it's a discussion, the point isn't to "win", but to come to some sort of mutual understanding of both sides. So I would typically say that their tone isn't helping them convey their actual point.

So if someone is saying factually correct stuff but being a dick about it, I'd say something like "I might agree with you, but you're coming across really poorly. So it's less clear what your position actually is. Do you mean X?" where X is restating their point in a less dick-ish way

[shrewd thunder]

I have a feeling this is going to come up a lot over the next 30 days...

[honest star]

Not looking forward to dealing with appeals from the people dogwhistling trying to argue nonsense technicalities

[shrewd thunder]

I'm getting popcorn for tonight.

The tears of the bigoted are a very sweet ambrosia.

[low chasm]

it's kind of funny sometimes lol

[shrewd thunder]

Especially the "wait, they really thought this would work?" ones

[honest star]

My fave is people trying to argue 1st amendment free speech. Like honey..... you are so far off base

[acoustic moss]

freeze peach ⁉️

[low chasm]

lmfao

[shrewd thunder]

I wasn't aware that the Python Discord was run by the US Federal Government.

[low chasm]

yeah stel is actually on the president's cabinet

[dapper dew]

Like a cat?

[tardy rain]

Aboo (shadow) minister?

[solemn tulip]

is a shadow minister like a goth minister?

[young shoal]

no

[floral viper]

Is this where I get to talked about my pimped out retro vim?

[solemn tulip]

it certainly is blue

[fresh basalt]

da ba dee

[solemn tulip]

da ba daa

[fresh basalt]

feeling nostalgic?

[thick osprey]

Ah edit, you sweet little editor you.

[floral viper]

That's basically the look I was going for 😄
I'm a sucker for 90s/early 2000s computer visuals

[quasi blaze]

Why didn’t you ask questions for better understanding?

[fringe rain]

maybe savage pasta man isn't interested

[solemn tulip]

reminds me more of
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Far_Manager

[fresh basalt]

Norton Commander clone?

[floral viper]

I just had a vim pimping idea. I like my blue colour scheme, but a lot of my colleagues scream when I show it. Sometimes that's the goal, but sometimes I just want to show them something interesting in the code. I should add a keybind to change the colour scheme to something that's easier for people to read in case I want to present something. Typing :colo default takes too long time.

[young shoal]

don't need to, nor want to

[jaunty wraith]

Midnight Commander 👍🏼

[fresh basalt]

I never really used it that much but I like it and know lots of people who did.

I just made my way around the terminal more I guess. Probably smarter to use something like mc though.

I'm not a smart man.

[quasi blaze]

Well then we concluded why you didn’t learn anything

[young shoal]

but did you consider all possibilities?

[quasi blaze]

No because you told me your reasons already

I got the conclusion from you

[young shoal]

but you're wrong

if i tell you, 2 + 2 = 4, have you learned anything?

do you need to ask questions for clarification?

[quasi blaze]

No

[quasi blaze]

Yes

[young shoal]

so isn't this a possibility you haven't considered?

[quasi blaze]

Oh i see. You didn’t learn anything because you already knew about those logical fallacies

[young shoal]

what questions?

[quasi blaze]

“I am not understanding this logical fallacy. Can you provide me another example of X logical fallacy?”

[young shoal]

it was referring to 2 + 2 = 4, but nevermind

[solemn tulip]

wasn't a complaint that it was hardly a logical fallacy to begin with

[quasi blaze]

I asked psvm if he learned anything and he said no. That’s how this thread started

[solemn tulip]

for some definition of start

[young shoal]

for some definition of definition

[solemn tulip]

for some reason "appeal to || gun || fallacy" jumped into my head

[young shoal]

🦅

[solemn tulip]

that's an interesting argument, but have you considered my gun?

[tardy rain]

I see your gun and raise you my own

[jaunty wraith]

I see your guns and raise my death laser

[floral viper]

Basically what would happen if I ever did that

[solemn tulip]

speaking of absolutely nothing, I came up with a terrible bash pattern that's weirdly ergonomic

function with_x() {
  "$@" -x
}

function with_y() {
  "$@" -y
}

with_x with_y do thing

[jaunty wraith]

how is that better than appending the flags directly?

[solemn tulip]

lots of repeat usage of sets of flags

the alternative is a ton of arrays

[low chasm]

I see your death laser and I raise you my fist

[solemn tulip]

e.g.

with_complex_setup with_rate_limit 5 run_stuff --with some --specific --flags

[fresh basalt]

I live in Texas. Things are different here.

https://tenor.com/view/shop-texas-smell-alcohol-gun-gif-14732729

[solemn tulip]

did I just reinvent decorators in bash?

[quasi blaze]

I can’t find research on any logical fallacy where one dismisses criticism of their tone and delivery because they presented facts in their argument

[low chasm]

I'm starting my commonapp 😔

this is not based

I need to impact my community this summer somehow

[fresh basalt]

https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/125819/bash-function-decorator

[solemn tulip]

what is this even trying to say?

[fresh basalt]

time traveler fenix

[quasi blaze]

What do you mean?

[low chasm]

is this the discussion we had earlier?

[quasi blaze]

Yes

[low chasm]

did you read what me and kat replied to you with?

[quasi blaze]

I did but I want a name for the logical fallacy

[solemn tulip]

the "because they presented facts in their argument" part makes no sense to me

[low chasm]

is it even a fallacy

[quasi blaze]

People think this way

[solemn tulip]

"criticism of tone and delivery because facts were presented"

[quasi blaze]

“2+2=4. It doesn’t matter how I say it. It doesn’t change the fact that 2+2=4.”

[solemn tulip]

wat

[quasi blaze]

No that’s not what I said…

[dapper dew]

If someone is being rude in an argument, I'll just leave

[solemn tulip]

the "because" makes no sense

[honest star]

It's the "people are saying correct things, but in a dick way, so it hurts how people are receiving their overall points". It's not a fallacy, just a communication failure

[solemn tulip]

so "despite"

not "because"

[low chasm]

yeah if someone's being flat out rude to you, I don't think it's so much of a fallacy than it is them being an asshole.

[fresh basalt]

You mean IRL or on this Discord?

[solemn tulip]

that was my reading of your statement

[dapper dew]

In the context of the discussion, which I presume is a standard "argument" that one would have

[solemn tulip]

this is just called tone policing, no?

[dapper dew]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[quasi blaze]

“they” is the “one”. Not two different people

[jaunty wraith]

singular they moment

also it doesn't matter if it's singular or plural

[solemn tulip]

that doesn't change anything does it? point was the "because" makes no sense

[fresh basalt]

No, I think tone policing is different.

[honest star]

On the point of "it's not just about what you say, but also how you say it", because I'm in a chatting-avoiding-work-kind-of-mood... If you do find someone is being a dick, I think it's more productive to focus on how they can communicate their message better rather than being like "you're being a dick". Even the framing for how you approach feedback can really change how a person receives it.

[fresh basalt]

What if their intention is to come off as rude?

[quasi blaze]

Idk man. It makes sense to me

[honest star]

also my new kobo ereader arrived today and oh man I am excited to use it once I get home

[solemn tulip]

that makes one

[dapper dew]

For sure, reframing and focusing on the content instead of how they are saying it helps. It also depends on what kind of relationship you have with the other person

[fresh basalt]

I think it is highly context-dependent.

[dapper dew]

I've had plenty of people make a show of yelling at me, but that is because manufacturing can get a little spicy on the floor

[honest star]

yeah, like if it's someone who is known in a community and has contributed productively, I'll have a lot more grace with them. Compared to someone who joins June 1st and has contributed nothing of value........ waaaay less grace.

[jaunty wraith]

as you say that, it is now June 1st

[young shoal]

not in cool countries

[solemn tulip]

"where one dismisses criticism of their tone and delivery because they presented facts in their argument"

wait, "dismissing criticism of the tone and delivery" sounds like...dismissing tone policing? 😵‍💫

[fresh basalt]

Some people intend to be rude and will take your attempts at being productive as attacks on them, or as ignoring them, or as being naive.

[honest star]

we got like 6 hours

[jaunty wraith]

if by cool, you mean in terms of temperature, then sure

[solemn tulip]

is that weirdly phrased or is it just me?

[fringe rain]

omg its june 1st

[young shoal]

yes

no

[jaunty wraith]

the former

[dapper dew]

oh no

[quasi blaze]

A person dismissed the criticism of their own delivery and tone because that person presented facts in their argument.

Is this more clear?

[young shoal]

what is even the point of this. you sound like one of those cringe "facts don't care about your feelings" people

[fresh basalt]

I've been around blue collar folks my entire life and a common refrain is that people get bent because that's just the way it is.

It's not unheard of for construction workers to get into actual fistfights.

[quasi blaze]

The point is I want to combat that line of reasoning. I need a decent argumentative comeback

[young shoal]

it's not reasoning though. it's not even related to the facts

[dapper dew]

I've certainly gotten good at trying to defuse emotions, its a bit trickier when it starts coming from the supervisors / managers doing it lol

[young shoal]

it's just telling you to stop being so rude

[compact lagoon]

they asked the CEO of TIkTok about teenage control

[fresh basalt]

It really sucks when you have to survive in that sort of working environment.

[honest star]

Focus on the fact that how someone communicates makes an impact on how it is received. Focus on how someone can be a good communicator. It's not about having a good "argumentative comeback"

[compact lagoon]

they didn't know how easy is to lie your age on internet?

[solemn tulip]

rejecting people telling you that you are rude

[dapper dew]

Sure, but I'm still around and the 2-3 really problem people I had to deal with got "reassigned"

[fresh basalt]

OTOH a person can be in a shitty mood and just take something the wrong way. It's variable.

[quasi blaze]

Let’s assume one’s argument is supported by facts. How would you argue against. “My delivery doesn’t matter because what I am saying is true.” How would you combat that?

[fresh basalt]

The meek shall inherit the earth?

[jaunty wraith]

"dealt with"?

[young shoal]

i would say "touch grass"

[dapper dew]

whoops no wait I meant what I said

[solemn tulip]

the people got dealt with ||mafia style||

[dapper dew]

I had to deal with them

[fresh basalt]

https://tenor.com/view/godfather-clamenza-clemenza-cannoli-gun-gif-10767764

[dapper dew]

Anyways

How you convey your point matters, and if you are trying to address it you need to tell the other person something along the lines of

I am having a difficult time understanding your argument, as the way you are telling me is making me feel uncomfortable and defensive. Can you please re-explain what you are wanting without the added emotion?

[fresh basalt]

People just communicate differently. There are lots of variables involved in that.

[solemn tulip]

it's not a logical fallacy though, is it?

[honest star]

It's just a communication issue, definitely not a logical fallacy

[fresh basalt]

Logical fallacy is a very specific term applied to a very specific thing.

[solemn tulip]

yeah

[fresh basalt]

It makes sense in a particular context.

[dapper dew]

In this context though, I would address why I am feeling they are not communicating in a way that I can work together with

[honest star]

how to solve a communication issue? ... communicate!

[young shoal]

i thought it was ghosting

[compact lagoon]

if you have a program that have miliions of users of age of 13 to 17

[dapper dew]

Also yeah, I think this isn't a logical fallacy thing

[compact lagoon]

how much responsibility did your code have?

[honest star]

also, how the fuck do I bypass ticketmaster's "suspended session" bot protection? 😩 it thinks I'm a bot because I'm try to buy concert tickets while I'm not home

[compact lagoon]

not counting parents that did activate parent control

[jaunty wraith]

the code is just a tool

[jaunty wraith]

that's what a bot would say

[compact lagoon]

exactly

[fringe rain]

its not about the code but its direction, the management and CEO of whatever software has a lot of responsibility in ensuring safety in that platform

[fresh basalt]

Logical fallacies happen. It's not always something you avoid - some logical fallacies are useful when arguing against irrational arguments.

Anyways the term is just a descriptive one.

[floral viper]

Things are indeed different haha, texas stories are wild

[fringe rain]

thats more bad parenting

[compact lagoon]

but the responsibility is of TikTok if the person with seventeen yrs old said that he had 40? or above 17?

[floral viper]

The sad truth is that that's under NDA.

[compact lagoon]

NDA?

[floral viper]

Non-disclosure agreement

Basically a document that you sign where some restrictions are put on you regarding what you can talk about

[compact lagoon]

they had a similar discussion when advertising for kids on TV

[fresh basalt]

Ticketmaster is horrible anyways. It's doing you a favor.

[honest star]

It's literally the only way I can get these tickets ;_;

[floral viper]

What I'm saying is that any dev that worked on a program or platform with questionable ethics can most likely not talk about it due to an NDA

[compact lagoon]

get it

[quasi blaze]

Logical fallacy of the afternoon: Appeal to Authority

The appeal to authority fallacy is the logical fallacy of saying a claim is true simply because an authority figure made it.

Example:

"This skincare product must be the best because a famous actor endorses it."

Do not think this way. It’s fallacious

[solemn tulip]

oh hey, an actual logical fallacy

[floral viper]

You know who you remind me of? This guy

[solemn tulip]

appeal to meme fallacy

[jaunty wraith]

a peel on the street fallacy

nvm that's a stretch

[floral viper]

Everyone uses it so it must work

[solemn tulip]

a slippery one

[hearty violet]

people still giving keezy the time of day

[tardy rain]

Its entertaining when its not the same topic every single day

[pliant nexus]

btw, whats the channel's name 💀

sound a bit

"odd"

[dapper dew]

Ever heard of the TV show called "Pimp my ride"?

[pliant nexus]

yeah

[dapper dew]

Its that, but for a vim configuration

[pliant nexus]

that makes sense

......

pimp my .bachrc

with neofetch

[floral viper]

nmap <C-d> :colo default <CR>

This is my protect my colleague's eyes config. Use it if your vim colour scheme makes people mad.

[solemn tulip]

or get better taste in color schemes :^)

[floral viper]

Did I tell you my terminal colour scheme is white with black text?

What kids today call "light mode"

[solemn tulip]

[pliant nexus]

are you a gentoo user

because you feel like one

[meager sphinx]

sounds like a punishment they have for you in hell

[floral viper]

debian and ubuntu

[meager sphinx]

right after "get fried like french fries"

[hearty violet]

viml in 2024

[pliant nexus]

arch and mint

[pliant nexus]

tasty

would eat myself

[floral viper]

Those are nice distros 😄

[pliant nexus]

yeah

the arch is installed on a usb tho 💀

[pliant nexus]

no way

vm are a pain

when you cant do gpu passthough

due to having only a integrated gpu

on a laptop

[quasi blaze]

Being is a better debater is good because it teaches you critical thinking

[hearty violet]

self bot? it must be

u seem to be playing the same tune over and over

[thick osprey]

Can you learn critical thinking without needing to engage in debate?

[lament cairn]

https://tenor.com/view/byuntear-lobo-lobisomem-werewolf-lobisomem-pidao-gif-5024427197428066691

[glossy niche]

debate isnt a solution to everything

[lament cairn]

keezy after that "higherup friendship" discussion

[glossy niche]

sometimes, a debate taking place alone is misleading

lemme pull up an example

[fresh basalt]

I argue with myself all the time.

[gritty zinc]

Do you win?

[glossy niche]

https://x.com/mehdirhasan/status/1659364335351738368

Mehdi Hasan (@mehdirhasan) on X

“Both sides”? Seriously? I feel like I am losing my mind.

STOP WITH THE BOTHSIDES-ISM!

Twitter · May 19, 2023, 1:04 AM

[thick osprey]

Arguing and debating feel different to me. Arguing is just trying to come out on top. Debates should lead to better understanding.

[glossy niche]

guy shows up to school with guN
people show up to debate him with facts and logic

[floral viper]

The old thinkers was into some strange shit

[lament cairn]

twitter
-1

[glossy niche]

i see shit like this often

[glossy niche]

L

just dont follow idiots

[fresh basalt]

It's usually a stalemate.

[glossy niche]

i mostly follow cat accounts, journalists and tech ppl

it used to be a fun site for memes, but muskfuck ruined it

[fresh basalt]

I think the difference is academic.

[quasi blaze]

I can’t think of any other critical thinking activity that involves challenging one’s ideas or being challenged by one for my ideas.

[hearty violet]

https://tenor.com/view/dead-my-honest-reaction-damn-skull-skeleton-gif-15885937969029652188

[thick osprey]

Tech ppl? I thought you said not to follow idiots?

[fresh basalt]

@thick osprey You can argue a point in a debate, for example.

[lament cairn]

does twitter.com still redirect to x.com?

[glossy niche]

nope

[lament cairn]

cool

[glossy niche]

valid point

[hearty violet]

LOL

[pliant nexus]

that name confuses me so much

[glossy niche]

i mean actual programm,ers btw, not tech bros and biz ppl

[pliant nexus]

like me

[fresh basalt]

@thick osprey There's also the notion of informal vs. formal argument.

[glossy niche]

i block tech bros on site

[lament cairn]

still is
i have x.com blocked and twitter.com redirects

[hearty violet]

elon has a weird fetish for the letter X
he should seek a psychiatrist

[lament cairn]

maybe my browser still has twitter's 30x cached?

[thick osprey]

Denotation wise, I'll agree with that.

[gritty zinc]

twitter has probably done more to fray the fabric of society than just about any other technology. Mainly, by encouraging people to communicate political opinions in a tiny message optimized to be outrage-inducing. For actually forming opinions, a hundred cherry-picked examples does not a study make.

[pliant nexus]

xorg 💀

he will probaly rename tesla to that

[hearty violet]

not an elon project

[glossy niche]

and the second they removed the tweet size limit, the site got worse

[pliant nexus]

and then confuse linux users

[hearty violet]

Tesla Model X exists

[fresh basalt]

and argument (the actual discussion - I think it's probably a colloquialism) versus an argument (something with a premise and conclusion).

[thick osprey]

Oh I don't know about that. Have you researched the impact of the portable phone, for example? The printing press... now THAT was a fraying piece of technology.

[pliant nexus]

run to wayland, xorg is going to be taken over by elon due to his weird fetish

[lament cairn]

ok

[pliant nexus]

the european nations would agree

[quasi blaze]

I will be happy to hear some ideas on how to increase my critical thinking skills that doesn’t involve debating

[lament cairn]

reading

[hearty violet]

they wouldn't

[thick osprey]

Ya'll burned enough libraries in protest! (lightly joking)

[glossy niche]

statistics

[pliant nexus]

lobotomy

[glossy niche]

!!!!!!!

whats your definition of debate actually

[floral viper]

30 years of war because someone decided to hammer a list to a church wall

[glossy niche]

because depending on how you define it, stat might fall under it

[pliant nexus]

wasnt the printing press importent during the period of nationalism in europe

[thick osprey]

Four legs good. Two legs bad.

[hearty violet]

reading, thinking, writing
that's certainly more productive than coming here every other day to rant about not befriending ur superiors and spamming fallacies every 30 minutes

[glossy niche]

debate is less useful than it seems honestly, most of the time, you just need to be able to express yourself imo

[thick osprey]

Considering that hasn't been brought up in the last 30 minutes (or hours that I can see) I'm not sure your continued attacks, jabs, and provocation is helpful.

[pliant nexus]

this has turned into a incoherent argument 💀

[hearty violet]

people will use whatever tools available to push their nepharious motifs
if the press didn't exist they would do it some other way

[fresh basalt]

I think it made more sense when people were more civilized.

[glossy niche]

and a lot of debators are just straight up arguing in bad faith, and arent worth entertaining

[glossy niche]

when was that

[hearty violet]

hm? just scroll a little bit and you can see him sending a message about logical fallacies

[glossy niche]

when we burned witches/

?

i miss lead fuel personally

[hearty violet]

#ot1-perplexing-regexing message

[fresh basalt]

People don't really study the classics anymore in school. We don't learn those things from an early age.

[hearty violet]

it's been slightly over an hour

[young shoal]

how about...any?

[thick osprey]

Ah, my bad. I only read your first point of complaint. Wasn't giving you enough thought.

[hearty violet]

but every time I come here he's either "debating" or sending some sort of "learning quote" about some sort of debate related term

[thick osprey]

You control what you engage in.

[fresh basalt]

Have you tried chewing on paint chips instead?

[pliant nexus]

no, asbestos would be better

[gritty zinc]

you can't improve your intelligence, but you can reduce it in every future-born child and come ahead in comparison! vote for leaded gasoline today! 🥴

[rich cape]

Flies are the worst

[floral viper]

I think programming is very nice for developing critical thinking. You build a design, you implement it, if you made a mistake of if the design wasn't sound you get instant and unbiased feedback forcing you to reevaluate your thinking.

[thick osprey]

Every step of your learning journey through programming that you've made since you joined tech has challenged and increased your critical thinking skills. No debate needed, unless you count "how should I solve this in code" as debate.

[hearty violet]

idiocracy

[floral viper]

In a sense it's better than debating because the feedback is unbiased and the computer don't care about other things than sheer logic

[fresh basalt]

Calculus is great for critical thinking.

Number theory too.

[hearty violet]

it can also be a trap that can make u get more and more removed from reality :P

[glossy niche]

@quasi blaze this book is nice imo https://www.amazon.com/Field-Guide-Lies-Critical-Information/dp/1524702528

its about how to spot misinformative graphs and stats, like the ones muskfuck posts, idk if you count this as a debate or not, i didnt actually finish this book, but i should

[pliant nexus]

heres an nice thing to increase thinking skills by, would being led by chatgpt be a idiocracy or technocracy?

[floral viper]

That's just called flow mate, sleep and food are optional when in the zone

[gritty zinc]

huh, source? that result sounds surprising to me; I remember reading about studying probability theory being effective but not most other math.

[glossy niche]

i would argue you have to study non-STEM as well for improving your critical thinking, im not sure how to put into words

[hearty violet]

learning about history is very valuable

but doing poetry not very useful imo

[glossy niche]

agree

i found learning ethics very insightful personally

[floral viper]

Yep, agree. Being familiar with many areas is never anything negative. Believe it or not I even found value in poetry when I was forced to read it.

[glossy niche]

i took a class in it in uni and i think it helped me improve my crit thinking a lot

[hearty violet]

I still don't like it
but I find liking history, geopolitics and that sort of thing have changed my way of thinking for sure (sometimes for the negative but hey... lol)

[floral viper]

I didn't either, but I have to admit that you don't experience WW1 quite the same in history books as you do reading T.S. Eliot

[hearty violet]

the history taught in class is definitely made PG-13

they gloss over shit and avoid telling u too much about what happened

it's way too high level and removed

ig kids can't handle the gruesome details

[floral viper]

Really? When I was in school and we worked through our WW1 and WW2 classes they held lectures about the mustard gas and chlorine gas used during WW1

[fresh basalt]

I should say it requires good critical thinking skills. The only real study I've read wrt to critical thinking and number theory was specifically about different pedagogical strategies.

https://www.ccsenet.org/journal/index.php/ies/article/view/66563

That one.

[hearty violet]

are u german?

[floral viper]

Nope, swedish. We weren't even part of any of the wars

[hearty violet]

lol

yeah we were taught about what was done

but like, it's taught a lot as a story

you're like "cool, they got gased"

then u move on

but when u're told in detail about things, when u see pictures, when u try to comprehend what went on, what people said, what happened, etc

it feels different

[thick osprey]

empathy does hit different.

[floral viper]

Damn, that's sad. We had a holocaust survivor come and give a lecture. He burst into tears when telling us how his mom and sister went up the chimney.

[pliant nexus]

exactly

they just skimmed through ww2 and didntt even teach ww1 to us

[green pelican]

me pointing and laughing at the vim users (advocating for their voting rights to be stripped)

[coral peak]

as a vim user this is so real

[green pelican]

as an emacs user dont listen to thi sguy

NO WAY YOU HAVE THE NEOVIM WEBSITE IN YOPUR BIO

this is insane

ban this guy

mosds

p[lease

pleas

[coral peak]

crimes against emacs

[thick ore]

everyone laugh at the terminal editor user

superiors use the purple visual studio

[fresh basalt]

I would suggest everybody here is a terminal editor user.

[bleak lintel]

i love emacs

[shrewd thunder]

Notepad++ go brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

[thick ore]

oh lord i remember notepad++

and the first time I laid my eyes on vscode

[carmine apex]

visual studio isn't superior to anything

[thick ore]

the days of messing around with batch files and VBS

[shrewd thunder]

other than XCode of course

or Eclipse

[thick ore]

errr... i wouldn't be coding XAML/.NET in vim

[carmine apex]

to anything

you can just say

i wouldn't be coding XAML/.NET

[shrewd thunder]

are you implying eclipse is capable of being good?

[thick ore]

😩

[carmine apex]

i mean, if you're doing java? java-focused eclipse against visual studio? is that even a competition?

[shrewd thunder]

writing code with a pencil and paper works better for that

[thick ore]

man thuri is a professional hater

[hoary gust]

@meager stratus

[bleak lintel]

contabo 😔

[meager stratus]

16 Mebibytes damn

[hoary gust]

im bouta cancel my DO droplet

[hoary gust]

im trying to set up python3.12.3 so i can get my python script working on this server. Then im going to set up a postgreSQL server on this same server

if i can get that far, ill be surprised honestly

[meager stratus]

and you require 3.12.3 for that

okay

should be pretty easy

[hoary gust]

so i got it working. But i need to type in python3.12.3, and you guys were talking about how bad APTs are. so id rather just use this other thing

pyenv

[meager stratus]

eh not really

[hoary gust]

then fuck it

[meager stratus]

if you're careful about how you install stuff

you should be fine

[hoary gust]

i am not

i have no idea what im doing

[meager stratus]

like do you randomly install anytthing?

[hoary gust]

all of the stuff i install is random

[meager stratus]

without knowing what it is

and what it can do to your system

[hoary gust]

i just installed neofetch

[meager stratus]

neofetch is good

[hoary gust]

no idea what it did

[meager stratus]

don't worry about that

it displays cool characters

you may also want to download cmatrix

it shows a display like the matrix movie

on your terminal

nothing else

Ctrl + C to close

[hoary gust]

but i mean honestly yeah im pretty careful. I will follow a guide on how to do get this SQL server working

but id rather not brick my server

[meager stratus]

soo

python

right

do you have it installed?

[hoary gust]

what installed

pyenv?

[meager stratus]

the specific version

no

just python

you can setup py env later if you want

[hoary gust]

if i do python3, no. its on 3.8 something. if i do python3.12.3, yes its 3.12.3

[meager stratus]

then it's installed!

[hoary gust]

let me test my script real quick

[meager stratus]

put a shebang on your script for the correct interpreter!

[hoary gust]

huh'

[meager stratus]

and you should be done =)

a shebang?

[hoary gust]

i cant just run it now?

[meager stratus]

yes

you can

without shebang :python3.12.3 myscript.py
with shebang: ./myscript.py

[meager stratus]

did it work?

[hoary gust]

i went to the correct directory and i no longer have 3.12.3

[meager stratus]

uh oh

[hoary gust]

if i do python3.12.3, the command is unknown

[meager stratus]

did you add it in PATH?

[hoary gust]

no

[meager stratus]

then how will your pc know where to find your new python

[hoary gust]

i was hoping itd figure it out LOL

[meager stratus]

-_-

so did you add it in path?

[hoary gust]

im not sure how

lemme google it

[meager stratus]

okayy

you could also just paste it in usr/bin

it should work, probably

[hoary gust]

so thats the thing. would it just be easier to get the pyenv thing working

i did pyenv doctor

[meager stratus]

doctor?

[hoary gust]

checking whether the C compiler works... yes
checking for C compiler default output file name... a.out
checking for suffix of executables...
checking whether we are cross compiling... no
checking for suffix of object files... o
checking whether we are using the GNU C compiler... yes
checking whether gcc accepts -g... yes
checking for gcc option to accept ISO C89... none needed
checking for rl_gnu_readline_p in -lreadline... no
configure: error: GNU readline is not installed.
Problem(s) detected while checking system.```

[meager stratus]

why do you need pyenv?

[hoary gust]

i googled it and nothing came up for how to install that specific thing

to update my python

[meager stratus]

are you going to install several different versions?

[hoary gust]

no, i just want 3.12.3

[meager stratus]

then just paste it in usr/bin

and rename it to something else

like python312

if you want

[hoary gust]

im not sure what im pasting, or how to do that

[meager stratus]

ehh

look

nvm

sorry I have classes

open up a help post if you need help

because I need to go

[hoary gust]

np, thanks for you help!

have a good one

[open fern]

happy pride folks

[grave cove]

Cat

[uneven pine]

Happy corporations pretend to care about our rights to sell us more shit for an entire goddamn month because we can't just have days for anything anymore

[warped sentinel]

because it's well known corporations are people

[uneven pine]

This year I'll be celebrating pride DAY on June 10th just to line up with my days off. For the rest of the month I will remove all pride-related information from my bios and try my best to ignore it

[jovial loom]

Ayre fik

[soft violet]

It's fine to sneer at the commercial opportunism, yes, but I look at it as an indication of the health of a political ecosystem.

That they can do a pride thing at all is good. It's bad when they start feeling like it might get them into trouble.

It makes it convention. Mainstream.

Or at least a component of such.

[terse skiff]

are there like an discord servers like dis but for like, ai coding 🙏😭

[harsh tundra]

AI coding? 💀

[soft violet]

#data-science-and-ml

[terse skiff]

help sorry 😭 brain rn is not braining

[soft violet]

🐀🐀🐀🐀

[meager stratus]

rat

do you want me to prove it

oh

okay

here @quasi rose

This is actually really insightful.

If you need more explaination, ping me

yes?

that is amazing!

would you mind solving a question

regarding quadratic equations?

okayy

let me get one

got one

Find the set of values of a, for which (a - 1)x² - (a + 1)x + a + 1 > 0, for all x∈R, where R is the set of real numbers.

Is it too hard?

Should I give you an easier one

Okay!

Are you gonna do it?

great!

that's okay, it took me about 5 minutes to solve it too (I should be taking 2 minutes)

I actually don't know because I haven't solved it yet.

Lemme solve it quickly

I did solve it, but I lost the solution

and only the question remains

[rocky prawn]

Anyone?

[crystal spruce]

4

[rocky prawn]

Damn how

Maths riddles

Nvm i got it

Thx

[crystal spruce]

average

[rocky prawn]

Yeah

Wht abt this one?

How?

What?

Waha

Damn

Yeah

Gg

Haha

[meager stratus]

Heyy sorry my power went off

I got a > 1

how did you solve it?

that should give you a ∈ (-∞, -0.4) ∪ (0, ∞)

wait a second

larger than zero?

a discriminant larger than zero would mean it has two distinct roots

in this case,

we want the quadratic to always be positive

we want no roots

we must take the discriminant to be less than 0

also

for the quadratic to be positive

you also set the first term (a - 1) to be greater than 0

a belongs to the interval which includes (-infinity to -0.4, but does not include -0.4) union with (0 to infinity, but does not include 0)

ah yes why not

Let for a ≠ a₁ , f(x) = ax² + bx + c, g(x) = a₁x² + b₁x + c₁ and p(x) = f(x) - g(x), and p(x) = 0,
ONLY for x = -1, and p(-2) = 2. Then calculate the value of p(4).

@quasi rose

This one appeared in a competitive exam.

Okay I solved it

Were you able to solve it?

yes.

But no other value of x will produce 0

other than -1

that is important.

wait what

why are you dealing with discriminants?

Quadratic Equations might seem like an easy topic, But there are several challenging parts in it.

[humble anchor]

yeet- divine entity of the game, and a brief introduction of the world in the ttrpg @undone thorn @wicked haven

oh and some of the modifier icons. i think theyd be neat designs on a tshirt or sticker or sumn

[meager stratus]

No 😭

The correct answer is 50.

[humble anchor]

(knockout, moribund, injured, hazard, concept, structure, magical, mental, companion for the mod names)

[meager stratus]

Now I will begin the solution.

[undone thorn]

have you playtested your ttrpg btw?

[meager stratus]

Geez guys go into #ot2-never-nester’s-nightmare

Anyways.

[humble anchor]

nah not yet

[meager stratus]

p(x) is defined as f(x) - g(x)

[humble anchor]

lol i just saw this channel first and thought yall were done, headed off anywho

[meager stratus]

subtracting two quadratic equations.

and p(x) must also have two roots

but both the roots are -1

hence f(x) and g(x) must have common root -1

[wicked haven]

Interesting. Goodnight.

[meager stratus]

Remember we can write a quadratic equation as a(x - p)(x -q)

when we subtract f(x) and g(x)

the a term becomes

(a - a₁) (x + 1)²

to find the value of (a - a₁)

Substitute x for -2 in p(x)

and we get (a - a₁) = 2

hence p(4) = (a - a₁) (x + 1)² = 2 (4 + 1)²

[pliant nexus]

wth is happening here 💀

[meager stratus]

hence p(4) = 2(5)²

p(4) = 2 × 25

hence p(4) = 50

Did you get it @quasi rose

[meager stratus]

We are solving questions.

[pliant nexus]

polynomials?

[gritty zinc]

this part isn't really important, I think. p(x)'s quadratic coefficient is a-a₁, and so since a≠a₁, it must be a quadratic polynomial. if it only has one root, then it must be that p(x) = A (x+1)^2. then from p(-2)=2 we get A=2, and hence p(4) = 50.

[meager stratus]

It is the converse of a fact.

Proving it requires like 2 pages.

Not 2 pages

but like

maybe 1 page

it's long

and yes it isn't really important for this, but it should be acknowledged

Do you want one more question

Here is another.

If p and q are two real numbers satisfying 2p² - 3p - 1 = 0 and q² + 3q - 2 = 0, find the value of (pq + p + 1) / q

@quasi rose

Wait I'll edit the question

Done

[gritty zinc]

huh, does that really have a unique answer?

[meager stratus]

yes.

If I did not make any mistakes while writing the question down.

oh frick

there is a mistake

@gritty zinc @quasi rose

[gritty zinc]

yeah, as written there's 3 possibilities.

[meager stratus]

Wait a second

No there aren't any mistakes

I judged myself wrong.

My original question was correct.

My friend's notes.

He is studying for an Indian exam

Called Joint Entrance Exam

Apparently these are trivial questions for 17-18 year olds

💀

[pliant nexus]

they are

i'm from india too

[gritty zinc]

well, there's 4 different choices for (p,q), which give a total of 3 different answer for (p q + p + 1)/q: ||1, and (25±7√17)/8||.

[meager stratus]

1 being the correct answer.

How exactly do you land on 4 options?

[gritty zinc]

that sounds about right - there's probably some trick to solve this easily, but it can also be solved by applying 0 insight and just solving 2 quadratics; that'd be an easy question on a highschool math contest.

[gritty zinc]

each of these quadratics has 2 roots

[jaunty wraith]

with 4 limbs

[meager stratus]

Well if you look at them carefully.

They are similar.

Divide the second quadratic by q² and multiply by -1.

And then both quadratics are similar.

[gritty zinc]

i mean, they are, but I don't see how this makes 1 the "correct" answer?

[meager stratus]

Which means that the roots are p and 1/q

then using product of roots and sum of roots

we find out that (pq + p + 1) / q is 1.

[gritty zinc]

like, I can choose p to be ||(3-√17)/4||, q to be ||(-3-√17)/2||, and then (p q + p + 1)/q isn't one even though it fullfills the problem statement.

[meager stratus]

But I think your point holds

Well never mind.

I'll let my friend know about the extra answers.

Well can you do this one?

This one also has triangles in it.

[granite tree]

How would you set them equal to each other? That seems like the crazy route

Oh, I dunno; keep it simple. Two quadratics, and we know how to get the roots of a quadratic equation, so why think harder

[unique vale]

Hi

[granite tree]

Thats why algebra mastery is so important for college math success: not being afraid of some algebra

[meager stratus]

I think that's enough for today.

I'm going to sleep

It's okay

[granite tree]

Also, this stuff becomes a little more intuitive after linear algebra, you'll see the patterns in which you can solve a system of linear equations

[strange blade]

quadratics stuff is like Grade 9 thing in Australia

So yeah, it would be quite trivial for a 17-18 year old

No

We have ATAR exams instead.

I guess it's sorta comparable to A levels

our maths homework in 8th grade is solving for some simple quadratics

but since we are in the "extension" class, we get harder problems

[granite tree]

It's a University course. Algebra mastery is hard; a lot of Uni students start thinking they have good fundamentals and struggle with Uni math. So, take algebra serious and practice. It'll help you for a long time.

[strange blade]

surds

like simplifying something to a difference of two surds

uhh no

simplifying into a difference of two surds

[gritty zinc]

surds
british people and their made up words

[granite tree]

One way to improve algebra skills is to study common errors, such as https://tutorial.math.lamar.edu/Extras/CommonErrors/CommonMathErrors.aspx or my favorite: https://sites.calvin.edu/scofield/courses/materials/tae/tae.shtml

[strange blade]

i'm not british thankyouverymuch

[granite tree]

Yup, purposeful practice is the only way to fix this. Same with getting good at programming

[acoustic moss]

truly absurd

[solemn tulip]

wait, surd is a weird word for a radical?

tf

[strange blade]

sounds better, I know

we're just the best at naming things

[small coral]

i dunno

[strange blade]

hush

[small coral]

i'm fairly adverse to australian naming conventions

[solemn tulip]

what does it even stand for?

[strange blade]

The word surd comes from the Latin word surdus, meaning deaf or mute. In the early days of mathematics, Arabians used to consider irrational numbers as mute. This means there was no value in these irrational numbers. Only rational numbers were considered audible.

[young shoal]

🤨

[solemn tulip]

and now people are using it for something else

a particular subset of irrationals

[young shoal]

wack

[solemn tulip]

not at all confusing

ab surd

[solemn tulip]

also. just "difference of"?

[strange blade]

but like it's not that easy

[solemn tulip]

like sqrt(5) - sqrt(2)?

[strange blade]

yeah

but you get some monstrous ones sometimes

[solemn tulip]

that's usually called a radical

this is the first time in my life I've heard of a "surd"

...but why?

[strange blade]

or we just say roots and powers

and irrationals n stuff

surds and indices are too much brainpower

[solemn tulip]

indices? 😵‍💫

[strange blade]

we aussies r lazy

[young shoal]

tf

what's an "indices"

oh "for the powers"

[solemn tulip]

indices are for indexing

[strange blade]

in-diss-eez

[young shoal]

but why

that's usually a subscript 🗿

[strange blade]

not in-die-ces

[young shoal]

a_i, but that's barely called "indexing", you just call it "subscripting"

[small coral]

this would be accurate in german pronunciation

[strange blade]

well, you see, australia is something called it's own continent

[solemn tulip]

like, you index a sequence or a matrix, either as a subscript or (sometimes) a superscript

[small coral]

where is "usually"

[young shoal]

wack

[small coral]

okay well here in asia

[young shoal]

though gradient is reasonable, because you have the multidimensional analogue

[solemn tulip]

gradient is fine

[small coral]

gradient seems like a calculus thing

[strange blade]

gradient = rise over run

[gritty zinc]

makes sense, m ≡ grad_x y :p

[young shoal]

😩

i mean it is the gradient

[strange blade]

what

[gritty zinc]

i don't want to hear any made up mathematical acronyms

[young shoal]

real

[strange blade]

brackets, operations, div, multiplication, add and subtract

BODMAS

[small coral]

brackets, orders, division, multiplication, add and subtract

[young shoal]

ah yes, "operations"

[strange blade]

lol

[small coral]

"order" makes a bit of sense

[solemn tulip]

in-deez-||🌰||

[strange blade]

my grade 4 knowledge deteriorating

[small coral]

"power" sounds like some fantasy thing

although math is imagination and imagination is fantasy

so that makes sense too

[solemn tulip]

I don't think I ever got taught such acronyms

[strange blade]

lol

[gritty zinc]

schools busy inventing the 10th idiotic mnemonic for the order of operations while their students can't evaluate 5 / 2 * 3 correctly:

[acoustic moss]

we had BODMAS but the O was "of" (as in "10% of 20") 🥴

[small coral]

PEJMDAS!

[strange blade]

J?

[solemn tulip]

are acronyms an english fetish?

[small coral]

juxtaposition

[strange blade]

[gritty zinc]

bad oof, dad, matter-antimatter storage

[acoustic moss]

what

[strange blade]

7.5

[acoustic moss]

its clearly 0.833

[strange blade]

QED more like quantum electro-dynamics

[small coral]

      __P___
  D  |     |
  v  v     v
6 ÷ 2(1 + 2)
    ^^  ^
    J   A

[solemn tulip]

I know at work which is very american heavy they sure enjoy coming up with bizarre acronyms and contorting things to fit acronyms

[strange blade]

latin can go kill itself

platonically

[small coral]

what

what does that mean-

[young shoal]

yeah. it's fun 🥺

[gritty zinc]

damn, now I want to play X3 terran conflict again

[strange blade]

go die in hell... platonically

[small coral]

that phrase can be used to buy clothing in german

[acoustic moss]

how do u die in hell arent you already dead if ur there

[small coral]

"wie viel für diese kleidung? die in hell?"

[strange blade]

well it's platonic so

[young shoal]

bro hasn't played hades

[strange blade]

you don't die tho

it's like prestiging accidentally

[acoustic moss]

i just never died

[solemn tulip]

"that's all?"?

[small coral]

huh?

[young shoal]

bro was killing things surely

[acoustic moss]

i prefer peace

[solemn tulip]

what's the translation for the last part?

[gritty zinc]

hades pacifist route

[strange blade]

erm ackshully 🤓

[small coral]

"the (one[s]) in bright?"

[solemn tulip]

oh, hell is bright?

[small coral]

yea

[gritty zinc]

because of all the fire

[small coral]

yes and ja

[strange blade]

how do we know that hades isn't actually just fighting his conscience and is some crazy psychotic demon

[solemn tulip]

what's "whole" in german?

[small coral]

1. with all the fire, it's obviously gonna be bright
2. "hell" is indeed the german term for "bright"

[strange blade]

what about 50 19 in french?

[small coral]

idk i only know little german

"ganz"

[strange blade]

[small coral]

also the different forms of "the" in german are convenient since they could be used to differentiate objects that would be reffered to using "it" in english

[solemn tulip]

"convenient"

[small coral]

idk how to describe it

unambiguous

[solemn tulip]

it also makes things hell to learn

[small coral]

yup

[strange blade]

chinese?

we just remove a lot of redundancy

and add in other bits for the funsies ✨

[solemn tulip]

even in english I find myself accidentally not conjugating verbs by you/he/she at times 🥴

[small coral]

(setting aside the... super-informational characters :> )

[solemn tulip]

because my native tongue just doesn't have it

[small coral]

english is like my 2nd mother tongue

my native language doesn't conjugate verbs according to person, but english does (and i don't mess up [i think])

[pliant nexus]

could you explain?

[crystal spruce]

can confirm that people over here use both surds and radicals to refer to basically the same thing

i think without further context i typically stick to radicals

[strange blade]

huh

the math god entered the chat

[crystal spruce]

i rarely say surds/radicals tho

[meager stratus]

latex does not work here?

[strange blade]

it does

.latex

[median dome]

That was a mistake.

Your input was invalid: query is a required argument that is missing.

Usage:```
.latex <query>

[crystal spruce]

the only context i can think of would be describing a curriculum

[meager stratus]

Calculate the sum of all real values of x satisfying the equation
@quasi rose

[small coral]

filipino doesn't conjugate verbs according to the doer of the action
"Kuma__in__ siya ng itlog." (He/she ea__ts__ an egg.)
"Kuma__in__ ako ng itlog." (I ea__t__ an egg.)
"Kuma__in__ ikaw ng itlog." (You ea__t__ an egg.)
"Kuma__in__ sila ng itlog." (They ea__t__ an egg.)

[pliant nexus]

ohh

i get what you mean

[meager stratus]

.latex "(x^2 - 5x + 5) ^ (x^2 + 4x - 60) = 1"

[pliant nexus]

bengali is similar

[strange blade]

bruh lancebot slacking and lacking

[crystal spruce]

.latex

\[(x^2-5x+5)^{(x^2+4x-60)=1\]

[meager stratus]

where did the bot go

[crystal spruce]

it's probably erroring

i don't think you passed it valid latex

[strange blade]

joe better get in here and fix it

[meager stratus]

.latex (x^2 - 5x + 5) ^ {(x^2 + 4x - 60)} = 1

what in tarnation

[strange blade]

💀 doing that will do nothing

[meager stratus]

@quasi rose

thanks yellow person

[strange blade]

Lancebot is probably in a cycle of infinite death

[small coral]

a better example would be the "be" verb
"Ako ay nandito." ("I am here.")
"Ikaw ay nandito." ("You are here.")
"Siya ay nandito." ("He/she is here.")
"Sila ay nandito." ("They are here.")

[crystal spruce]

.ping

[median dome]

:ping_pong: Pong!

Gateway Latency: 101ms

[crystal spruce]

it's alive at least

[strange blade]

phew

i thought it died

probably an issue with latex because .quiz is working fine

[meager stratus]

Calculate the sum of all real values of x satisfying the equation.

[thick ore]

Can you explain "Kina__in__ nila ang aking itlog"

[crystal spruce]

.latex

\[\oint\limits_{C}\mathbf{F}\cdot \mathrm{d}\mathbf{r}=\iint\limits_{S} (\nabla\times F) \cdot\mathrm{d}\mathbf{S}\]

[crystal spruce]

ok yeah lancebot just times out on incorrect LaTeX

[small coral]

"kinain" is basically "ate"

[young shoal]

wow i know this

[small coral]

it's the passive and intransitive past form of "kain" i guess?

[thick ore]

ah man the meaning was funnier in tagalog

[small coral]

oh you meant that

:>

[small coral]

btw on the grammar, it also doesn't conjugate based on either the doer or the receiver

i don't know if any filipino verbs do that

[meager stratus]

A thunderstorm woke me up

[small coral]

but still, even without conjugation based on the doer/receiver

[small coral]

tagalog       english (approximate)
kain          eat
kumain        eat/ate
kinain        ate
pinakain      feed/let eat
kinainan      ate at
nagkainan     ate together

[meager stratus]

A thunderstorm caused by my stupid neighbors arguing

It's their daily drama

[meager stratus]

anyways you can try this one @quasi rose

This one has been asked in JEE Main 2016

what in the name of lord?

that isn't even in the options

the options are
a) 3
b) -4
c) 6
d) 5

Solving math is more like programming to me.

You get better the more you do it.

That is true for most tasks in the world.

[crystal spruce]

should be ||a|| i think

problem is very cooked to be doable in head

x^y = 1 does not only occur when x = 1 or y = 0

indeed

[young shoal]

stickie get on

[crystal spruce]

on skyfactory?

[young shoal]

allegedly

[crystal spruce]

bro i'm setting up like three things

[young shoal]

bro

[crystal spruce]

4 actually

since i need a new terminal

[young shoal]

bro

windows terminal is good btw

[gritty zinc]

apt install winterm doesn't work 😔

[crystal spruce]

bro

i'm not on windows

[young shoal]

bro

why not

windows is the best

[crystal spruce]

bro

[young shoal]

you have support for everything

[crystal spruce]

who are you and what did you do with pub

[young shoal]

🤨

i have always been a fervent windows enjoyer

[crystal spruce]

🤨

i thought you used linux

[young shoal]

wsl 😌

[crystal spruce]

ok wsl does not count as using windows

[young shoal]

🤨

i'm using winterm, i'm using windows

[crystal spruce]

[young shoal]

🤨

[fringe rain]

dont most people who leave do that on their own

[crystal spruce]

no we ban them

[fringe rain]

i think more people leave than get kicked

[acoustic moss]

wait wtf how did i write that in this channel

[fringe rain]

ofc more join too

[crystal spruce]

fair enough

still not on windows tho

[pliant nexus]

gentoo?

lfs?

[young shoal]

skill issue

[crystal spruce]

macos

[young shoal]

oh

kitty is good i think

[crystal spruce]

yeah people seemed to be recommending it in the github issue i linked

[fringe rain]

i use kitty

[crystal spruce]

casually advertising in the github issues of a competitor

[gritty zinc]

what does kitty do compared to, like, gnome-terminal?

[fringe rain]

its config is nice

[young shoal]

🐈

[fringe rain]

can gnome terminal display images

[gritty zinc]

what am I actually looking at? is this your desktop? do you not have any panels except that tiny one?

[fringe rain]

that is my wm

[gritty zinc]

i'm mainly surprised by the lack of start bar icons, or however that's called

[pliant nexus]

awesomewm?

[fringe rain]

hyprland

[pliant nexus]

its written in python

[fringe rain]

the main point was kitty though

[fringe rain]

titlebar?

[pliant nexus]

its a window manager not a desktop enviroment

[pliant nexus]

thats not needed as there is a seperate application launcher name wofi

[pliant nexus]

he is talkingg about the menu of windows, the one which opens with the super key

[gritty zinc]

ooh, drama: https://github.com/kovidgoyal/kitty/pull/3544

[fringe rain]

dunno whos in the right there

[gritty zinc]

no, actually, i mean the... in cinnamon this applet is called the "grouped window list". this entire section of the panel, showing currently open windows and some pinned applications.

[fringe rain]

i want to say the maintainer but they're awfully defensive

[gritty zinc]

Any sort of issues!! Wonderful, hey you aren't doing me a favor by using kitty. You dont like the fact that it has functionality to notify you of updates that is on by default, go use something else. And stop wasting my time. And next time spend two minutes to google the issue before posting duplicates and wasting hardworking maintainers time.
yeah, uhh, fuck that guy

this isn't normal behaviour for the issues section of your project

[fringe rain]

well i have a systems tray , this is similar to the tray in windows for "hidden" apps

but i prefer not seeing my open app icons, i have highlighted workspaces for that

[gritty zinc]

yeah, that makes sense, but do you just always open up some dropdown menu to launch apps?

[fringe rain]

no, i have bindings for the ones i use most often

firefox, vscode, kitty

but when i do need to open something else, yes, i did that on windows too with the windows key

[pliant nexus]

you should look at: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/window_manager

[fringe rain]

i just find it easier

[pliant nexus]

is that wofi?

[gritty zinc]

tabby looks interesting

written in typescript, though?? weird

[young shoal]

average typescript dev