ot1-perplexing-regexing

[grave cove]

it dont work

[thick ore]

wat

[grave cove]

map passes in multiple arguments

parseInt accepts a radix

it gets fucked

[scarlet peak]

whats a radix

[grave cove]

base

[acoustic moss]

base on what

[grave cove]

my fingers

anyway @scarlet peak im going to bed now, if you end up having more questions feel free to ping and i'll get to it tomorrow morning

[scarlet peak]

👍

whats your tz btw

[grave cove]

America/Chicago

[scarlet peak]

ah ok

ray

im gonna stamp your balls out

[rough sapphire]

[scarlet peak]

@grave cove dunno how to fix this

just gonna use the regex pattern already in there

[paper sequoia]

Have you used either? I'm considering revolut as it's available in my region

[scarlet peak]

fucks sake

@grave cove ```js
function check (a: Array<number | string>, x: number | string): boolean {
return x in a;
}

let testCases = [
[[66, 101], 66],
[[101, 45, 75, 105, 99, 107], 107],
[['t', 'e', 's', 't'], 'e'],
[['what', 'a', 'great', 'kata'], 'kat']
]

for (const [List, SearchVal] of testCases) {
console.log(check(List, SearchVal));
}```

im gonna go sleep

wait no shit i cant

i have school in like 2 hours 😭

[thick ore]

use in instead of of

it's kinda weird but whatever

[scarlet peak]

is that gonna fix it?

[thick ore]

no i'm being stupid wait

[scarlet peak]

fanks

[scarlet peak]

also does “in” turn all the values to strings, regardless of if its an integer, float or whatever?

[thick ore]

nope

[spare oriole]

Yes I’ve used both, I prefer Revolut

[thick ore]

> 2 in ["1", "2"]
false

[spare oriole]

Nope

[thick ore]

jinx

[scarlet peak]

so what does it do then?

[spare oriole]

It checks if the thing is in the list exactly

[thick ore]

in checks for both value and type

[paper sequoia]

Oo, nice! What's your experience with it been like? Do you use it as main kind of bank or virtual cards or something?

[spare oriole]

^

[thick ore]

actually in only works for objects

> 2 in [1, 2]
false
> 2 in {1: "hello", 2: "world"}
true

[spare oriole]

I mainly use it when traveling or when I want to use a virtual card on a dodgy or site I don’t want to retain my info or subscriptions

[thick ore]

JS is weird :P

[thick ore]

@scarlet peak

use .includes instead

[paper sequoia]

I see, how's the support like for revolut?

If you have interacted with it before

[spare oriole]

Dunno, never needed it actually

[paper sequoia]

I guess that's good, was just thinking as it's online only so gotta hope it's good if needed for any reason. The signup process seems pretty good as well, though I have to send picture of ID... Just have to hope the picture ends in where it's supposed to and not in random hands

[scarlet peak]

ok so the js equivalent of “x in y” is “y.includes(x)”, right?

[thick ore]

yep

[scarlet peak]

got it

[scarlet peak]

also dyk why my ts was raising type errors?

[thick ore]

not sure tbh

ill have to check

[thick ore]

okay it has to do with the way TS infers the type of testCases, if you add the proper type explicitly it works:

let testCases: Array<[Array<number | string>, number | string]> = [

btw you should use type[] instead of Array<type>

[scarlet peak]

ah ok i see

thank you

i just made them any and it worked

i only wanted to test the cases

but thank you as well, i'll remember that

[scarlet peak]

also how do you flatten an if else block?

the ... ? ... : ... stuff

[thick ore]

ternaries?

condition ? expression if true : expression if false

[scarlet peak]

ah yes

thank you

oh wow js is kinda easy ngl

[cursive salmon]

Does anyone code in C#? Is it a good language to learn?, I want to make a desktop app and idk if to just use flet or learn c#

i've done a couple things in it but nothing to deep

[scarlet peak]

@timid latch what do you think about this?

[timid latch]

I dont know much c# at all, but I would say it seems like a good option for desktop apps

[thick ore]

C# is a good language

fr

but if you're building apps using .NET, you're mostly gonna be dealing with XAML for your UI

basically
XAML = HTML/CSS
C# = JS

[gritty zinc]

@cloud flare i'm using an i3-3240 to this day, so you really don't need heavy hardware 😛

[cloud flare]

oh really?

[gritty zinc]

though that CPU does mean that I can't run e.g. pycharm (vscode is okay, though), and programs in compiled languages like Rust take some minutes to build for me

either way, any cheap modern CPU is a massive improvement on what I'm running, so it's not a big deal what you pick specifically

[cloud flare]

Oh yeah true

do you perchance think it could handle scripting games? /websites

[gritty zinc]

programming is much less compute-intensive than, like, just running games.

[cursive salmon]

i've been doing some simple stuff with WPF (thats what it's called iirc)

and it's not that bad

I feel like c# is a clean language

[thick ore]

very

[cursive salmon]

C# core has linux support and C# framework is just for windows right?

[thick ore]

.NET and C# are different fwiw
but yes, net core is cross platform

net framework/fx is outdated, don't use that unless you need to

[cursive salmon]

okok

I wanted to do a custom game launcher

ill start with it and see how it goes

[thick ore]

wpf is a good option tbh

[cursive salmon]

on Jetbrains Rider there were a couple more options but WPF was the recommeded one

[thick ore]

pair it with https://github.com/Simnico99/MicaWPF and you have a "Windows 11" app lol

[stable fulcrum]

hell nah don't git revert my day

[young shoal]

bro is 11 generations behind 😩

[gritty zinc]

look, i dislike spending money and dislike change and also computers are fucking expensive

[acoustic moss]

based

[gritty zinc]

currently I'm looking at like 500-650$ to upgrade to decent modern hardware, and that's reusing my old but okay GPU 😭

[hexed sierra]

ryzen gang

[young shoal]

the problem is that the motherboard would be incompatible with anything modern 😔

[gritty zinc]

not too sure about ryzen, tbh. my concern is that they just switched to a new socket, so buying AM4 is cheap but not very upgradable, whereas AM5 is really expensive (once you take into account the motherboard and the DDR5 RAM)

[young shoal]

at least with intel you can still use ddr4 with the newest cpus

[gritty zinc]

whereas intel has been slugging with their LGA1700 for a while and seems to not be planning to upgrade yet

incidentally, is it just some artifact of my data or Intel CPUs all weirdly hot?

AMD has tons of 65W TDP ones, whereas for most Intel ones it's "65W normally but supposedly gets boosted to like 120".

[hexed sierra]

that's because cpu clocks no longer mean anything

both intel and amd now automatically overclock as much as they can, and once they hit a specified temp (often 100°C), they throttle themselves to something more reasonable

as a result, adding more cooling does not improve temps under heavy loads, but rather the steady state clock

AMD should be a little more power efficient, but otherwise does the same

the max power draw is a little lower

[civic pasture]

Hi Edd

[hexed sierra]

hi

[civic pasture]

Eddie Murphie

🐽🐽

[gritty zinc]

hmm, I have no idea how to reason about this then. intel cpus have two numbers, "TDP" and "TDP but hidden in some datasheet and like twice higher", and AMD CPUs don't even have the second number, just the low first one

[hexed sierra]

they're all fake

watch benchmark videos cuz almost none of the numbers in the spec sheets are useful now

[gritty zinc]

i'm mostly looking at the benchmark data

[hexed sierra]

the nanometers in the lithography process are fake, the boost clocks are fake, the TDPs mean nothing

also remember that TDP is more about heat dissipation than power consumption

[gritty zinc]

that's concering though, since, like... suppose in one world I buy a ryzen 5 8600G , and in another an i5-14400. They have almost the same price and performance according to benchmarks, but the intel supposedly has twice the TDP - how many watts of cooling am I supposed to strap to each?

[hexed sierra]

intel processors this gen famously overheat like crazy

performance per watt is what AMD sells

whether that's useful for you is up to you

nvidia sells overall performance just like intel, and their power cables catch fire and you now need power supplies in excess of 1000W

[gritty zinc]

hmm, interesting

(for GPU, if I upgrade it at all which seems unlikely, i'd probably get an AMD just because of freer software - i'm on linux all of the time these days)

[hexed sierra]

no ML for you, then

[gritty zinc]

really? what about ROCm?

[hexed sierra]

i don't think it has good support anywhere

i might be wrong but i've never seen it outside of alpha or beta builds of libraries

[gritty zinc]

this pair is actually really weird when I look at it more. the intel has more cores (which I thought used to be AMD's thing), and way more cache, yet somehow they have the same ratings in both single- and multithreaded benchmarks: https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/5842vs5868/AMD-Ryzen-5-8600G-vs-Intel-i5-14400

[hexed sierra]

remember that intel uses E and P cores now

[gritty zinc]

ooh, right. yeah, that explains it

[hexed sierra]

i don't think processes can parallelize over both at the same time

[gritty zinc]

i forget because my data doesn't break them down into core kinds

[hexed sierra]

one of the two is also single threaded

also linux scheduling doesn't always play nice

windows 10 doesn't run well on those processors at all

so yeah, the effective number of cores in heavy load is lower

AMD doesn't use P and E cores, which is also why it supports avx512

[gritty zinc]

interesting btw that it's efficient cores that don't get hyperthreading; I thought it's mostly the more IO-bound tasks that benefit from it, and so would have expected the performant cores to not have HT

[vocal oyster]

yeah you should make your io bound app in rust

makes your network faster

[hexed sierra]

btw, mkl under intel one is open source and it now supports the more recent AMD zen architectures for most stuff. iirc all float64 operations are supported, though some float32 ones are missing

that means changing BLAS backends on AMD isn't make or break anymore

[grave cove]

did you get this resolved

[tardy rain]

they need type annotations

specifically one on testCases

and also you should extract your union type to make things cleaner

if you hover over List you'll see why you get the error

youre treating lists as tuples, ofc TS is confused

type Elem = string | number;

function check(a: Elem[], x: Elem): boolean {
    return a.includes(x);
}

let testCases: [Elem[], Elem][] = [
    [[66, 101], 66],
    [[101, 45, 75, 105, 99, 107], 107],
    [['t', 'e', 's', 't'], 'e'],
    [['what', 'a', 'great', 'kata'], 'kat']
];

for (const [List, SearchVal] of testCases) {
    console.log(check(List, SearchVal));
}

there's probably a cleaner way to write all this but w/e

[cosmic berry]

I need someone who is a programmer in PHPMyAdmin to ask him some questions

[carmine apex]

hey @vale raven guess what i have

[lament cairn]

I found out someone made the exact same thing I'm making and it's a significantly more capable and mature project FUCK

[hearty violet]

asking to ask. good luck brother

[paper sequoia]

There's always someone who one-ups it seems

[hearty violet]

nothing u do or say will ever be original. I thought this was a known thing?

[lament cairn]

yes it still sucks when it happens

[hearty violet]

the only way for u to make something original is to either be very very qualified and do something most people don't hv the technical baggage for

or to just live in complete isolation lol

[gritty zinc]

not at all, mention AI and tons of people will tell you that art people create is always original and fundamentally different :p

[wanton delta]

fighting words 🥊

I was and still am on the side of the artists whose work got stolen as a result, but many people on that side fought the wrong fight.

so many discussion about originality and the human touch, when it was a simple 'look, these companies steal. state the obvious'

[obsidian elm]

Question what's your favorite part about being a programmer?

[thick ore]

realizing i can do whatever the hell i want

[wanton delta]

fits everywhere

[obsidian elm]

Unlimited power!!

[obsidian elm]

Sorry but I'm not sure what you mean by fits everywhere, can you explain?

[wanton delta]

you can make it fit and then solve problems from any discipline

[spiral zephyr]

@limber mantle, off topic so i'll tag you here haha

I know you critique C# for having a lot of "windows legacy" but the thing is, there's a lot of legacy culture with Java. Especially: using (pre-)Java 8 and also an ancient style. Even if Java reaches feature parity that doesn't mean people are using Java 17 / 21 actively or if the culture of writing Car car = new Car() is now magically replaced with var car = new Car(). Kotlin also does away with checked exceptions, which are awful. You also have null safety (Java can give you a NullPointerException basically anywhere, I doubt this will ever be solved) and so on.

[limber mantle]

Well... i checked minecraft mods... all of the interesting ones to me are made in Java 😄 so... i am persuaded towards it.
Some people do with Kotlin though

[spiral zephyr]

Just the fact Java has no null safety and checked exceptions makes it a very very bad programming language. You're forced into defensive coding. Each object you have can be Null or not Null so you may need to check that otherwise you can have runtime errors.

int x;
int y = x + x;

this compiles no problem 🥴 (not in Kotlin).

[limber mantle]

Using Windows is more horrendous legacy than legacy culture 😄

[limber mantle]

Eh... Golang can be having null exceptions everywhere and made around defensive coding.
I guess i should not be too much uncomfortable with it already in Java too since i am used to Golang

[spiral zephyr]

Let's look at the damage checked exceptions and Java-isms do. Reading a csv in Java using apache arrow

import org.apache.arrow.dataset.file.FileFormat;
import org.apache.arrow.dataset.file.FileSystemDatasetFactory;
import org.apache.arrow.dataset.jni.NativeMemoryPool;
import org.apache.arrow.dataset.scanner.ScanOptions;
import org.apache.arrow.dataset.scanner.Scanner;
import org.apache.arrow.dataset.source.Dataset;
import org.apache.arrow.dataset.source.DatasetFactory;
import org.apache.arrow.memory.BufferAllocator;
import org.apache.arrow.memory.RootAllocator;
import org.apache.arrow.vector.VectorSchemaRoot;
import org.apache.arrow.vector.ipc.ArrowReader;

String uri = "file:" + System.getProperty("user.dir") + "/thirdpartydeps/csv/tech_acquisitions.csv";
ScanOptions options = new ScanOptions(/*batchSize*/ 32768);
try (
    BufferAllocator allocator = new RootAllocator();
    DatasetFactory datasetFactory = new FileSystemDatasetFactory(allocator, NativeMemoryPool.getDefault(), FileFormat.CSV, uri);
    Dataset dataset = datasetFactory.finish();
    Scanner scanner = dataset.newScan(options);
    ArrowReader reader = scanner.scanBatches()
) {
    int totalBatchSize = 0;
    while (reader.loadNextBatch()) {
        try (VectorSchemaRoot root = reader.getVectorSchemaRoot()) {
            totalBatchSize += root.getRowCount();
            System.out.print(root.contentToTSVString());
        }
    }
    System.out.println("Total batch size: " + totalBatchSize);
} catch (Exception e) {
    e.printStackTrace();
}

[lament cairn]

the fuck

[spiral zephyr]

Python now

from pyarrow import csv
csv.read_csv(source)

[limber mantle]

Usually in Golang i have situations like this to avoid Null Exceptions:

1. i don't use pointers, then i am safe from Null exceptions
2. I use pointers and i return (pointer, error) as tuple
   if function has not nil err returned, then pointer can be null, otherwise it should be safe to work with

[spiral zephyr]

Java 👍 👌

[limber mantle]

No one forbids writing reused function for Java too 😛
Yay to reusable libraries

[spiral zephyr]

You'll still have the same problem

Because of checked exceptions

You can wrap this in a reusable function but it can still throw things

Notice how this isn't even good code. They wrap most of the body with try and catch a bare exception (anti-pattern)

but you're forced to do so at the language level

[limber mantle]

what did u wish 😄 having unhandled errors in static typed language?
If u have issues it throws too many errors, join them into one or smth ^_^

in Golang i usually write... extra function which handles error by some default as extra addition

So... i have normal function which returns my Exceptions

and second function shortcut wrapper with default Exception handling inside taken care of

thus i can have minimalistic interface to some often used function, if i don't wish taking care of exceptions all the time

[young shoal]

we have Optional<T> now, which helps a lot with null safety. but as you said, there is a lot of code written without it

[spiral zephyr]

What "modern" static languages do like Rust and Scala is better. Have an Option type instead of nulls and use Either or Result

Then you go with Scala style and you flatMap / map or Rust style and you have ?

[spiral zephyr]

Honestly, if you like Go then you might unironically like Java I suppose

They're in the same spirit

Java is a very very procedural language that masks as OOP

Go embraces the procedural part and throws away the OOP

[young shoal]

that was one of go's design go(als) right? to be easily learned by java devs

[spiral zephyr]

doesn't surprise me

Don't get me wrong, this is "language nerd" me speaking

Business man me absolutely loves Java and Go

Cheap devs, easy-ish to learn

[limber mantle]

I like Go for the sake of being productive as well.
Just the right balance between having smart enough language with type safety and code architecture capabilities
And at the same time not needing to care memory management stuff and if u code correctly, u have great chances code being correct after refactoring. Very friendly for refactoring, and doing massive changes to code base language.
I can make changes to 50+ files in a single commit, if i am too bold, and survive backlash of having this many changes at the same time (Smth that should be impossible in Python or Javascript 😅 )

[spiral zephyr]

I started picking up Rust a while back actually and it doesn't feel like you have to manage memory manually (to me at least)

It just punishes you for bad code a lot more than other langs I suppose

They're very different languages but I think writing Rust is way more fun

[low chasm]

Rust is based

[spiral zephyr]

And if you architect it well it's a really really productive language

Not slow to write

[limber mantle]

Well... i did not learn it but as far as i was reading about it i understood that it hides complexity of memory management into design of a language
Code is semantically not obviously to read (obvious to experienced Rust devs probably) still have this manual memory management if i inderstood
it is just hidden between code lines if i got it correctly

am i right in those assumptions?

[spiral zephyr]

I rewrote an app I deployed on my server to Rust, it's now 8mb ram instead of 170mb

crazy

[low chasm]

you aren't explicitly managing memory as you would in C, for the most part

[spiral zephyr]

(Used to be on the JVM)

[spiral zephyr]

Rust code is hard to read if you never wrote rust because there's a lot of noise

If you start, after a week it becomes easy to read because the "noise" actually makes the language very explicit

[limber mantle]

JVM has many prices... hopefully i will able to pay them
(personally i feel like i can code in Golang for the rest of my career, anything i do in it i feel like i can achieve perfection of the level i desire)

[spiral zephyr]

Seeing so much & * < > ' ? ; { } before writing Rust was ugly but I like it now because they each say something very specific

I actually never needed to clone too much either in Rust, except in the very first thing I wrote

[low chasm]

It's fun to write for the most part

[tardy rain]

Dont need my code to look like sigil soup

Rust 👎

[dapper dew]

mmmm soup

[hybrid root]

I love soup
Rust 👍

[dapper dew]

Anyone enjoy or have recipes for cold soup

[jovial oriole]

Life when you give up rust and return to C

[dapper dew]

This one surprised me, but haven't tried it yet: https://www.seriouseats.com/korean-chilled-cucumber-soup-oi-naengguk-recipe

[jovial oriole]

(Turns out it was the source of all your problems)

[tardy rain]

Theres an egg and lemon soup we do back home, its usually done hot but when cooled down its so good

[spiral zephyr]

btw I found Scala much harder to learn

Mostly because most patterns I learnt in Scala were brand new and I didn't have to learn the magain for Rust

They were pretty transferable

Both kind of have the attitude of "everything is possible" but the cost of fighting against the language is steep

[obsidian elm]

AH that makes sense its very universal

[harsh tundra]

You never wanted to feel like being a sorcerer doing magic?

||I actually love puzzles and ciphers and such stuff, but still haven't touched Rust. Python is pretty readable if written well and I'll stay with it||

[tardy rain]

admittedly rust isnt such a big offender, other func langs that allow you to define your own infix ops are much worse

cba to look up what <^*|D> and other nonsense means every other line

rust's ugliest op is ::<>

[acoustic moss]

https://turbo.fish

[wanton delta]

it's just an aquatic animal

[tardy rain]

fugly

[low chasm]

turbo fish is the best thing of all time

[spiral zephyr]

Yeah, this is just the worst Haskell there is but isn't reflective of functional programming

[tardy rain]

:: is a close second

[wanton delta]

so in extension you also hate php

[acoustic moss]

whoa there now youre going too far

[tardy rain]

i dont hate them because of their ops, i just like them less

[acoustic moss]

:: looks beautiful

[tardy rain]

isnt it? haskell, f#, ocaml, various lisps allow you to define your own infix shenanigans

[spiral zephyr]

  def listCircleMembers(circleId: CircleId): F[MembersListOut] =
    circlesAuth.authCheck(userInfo, circleId) *>
      service.listCircleMembers(circleId)

Scala lets you make your own infix operators like *> which translates to (roughly, if it were imperative)

val _ = circlesAuth.authCheck(userInfo, circleId) 
service.listCircleMembers(circleId)

or this in rust

circlesAuth.authCheck(userInfo, circleId)?;
service.listCircleMembers(circleId)

I prefer the infix version 😛

[hearty vigil]

based :: fan 😎

[ruby birch]

@dapper dew In a world of channels, myriad and vast,
I stood bewildered, unsure, aghast.
Remote in hand, flipping through the array,
A kaleidoscope of options held at bay.

Should I plunge into the depths of news,
Where headlines scream and anchors muse?
Or seek solace in nature's serene embrace,
Where documentaries unveil Earth's grace?

Perhaps comedy's refuge, a haven of mirth,
To banish gloom and give laughter birth.
Or delve into history's annals deep,
Where echoes of the past in whispers creep.

The arts beckon with their canvas wide,
A symphony of colors, emotions to confide.
Or sports, a realm where heroes clash,
Their tales of victory, defeat, and dash.

Science, technology, a realm of wonders untold,
Where innovation's story is endlessly scrolled.
Cooking channels, a feast for the eyes and taste,
Recipes to master, flavors to embrace.

Reality shows with their dramatic flair,
A peek into lives, sometimes unfair.
Travel channels, a passport to lands afar,
To wanderlust hearts, a guiding star.

Yet amidst this sea of choices vast,
I find myself adrift, my resolve surpassed.
For in the realm of channels, where to choose?
A question that beckons, demanding muse.

So I sit in limbo, pondering my plight,
In the flickering glow of the screen's soft light.
Lost in the labyrinth, seeking direction true,
In the myriad channels, what path to pursue?

in short. where tf is the correct channel to post recipies

[dapper dew]

here is fine

[ruby birch]

👍

[hybrid pivot]

this is insane

imagine having to write that on an exam paper with imports

[harsh tundra]

Why happy noises if I said I haven't touched Rust? Sorry, Ferris

[solemn tulip]

rust mentioned

[jaunty wraith]

Rust mentioned 👎🏼

[hybrid pivot]

rust sensed

[solemn tulip]

(I gotta get some mileage out of my tunic script, ok?)

spoiler version with annotations

[jaunty wraith]

average Rust code

(that looks cool, though)

[solemn tulip]

it was a nice tool to develop as I decoded the tunic runic

[jaunty wraith]

the fiery frumpy fenix decoded the tunic runic

[solemn tulip]

having things in code allows for fun stuff like glyph lookups and playing around with combining glyphs

and I'm happy I didn't do it by hand and hacked up some PIL instead

I don't want to think of how many hours I sank into figuring out the language 🥴

[jaunty wraith]

what matters is that you had fun

[solemn tulip]

why play game when game can play you?

[jaunty wraith]

what if you were the game all along?

[solemn tulip]

would fenixes be considered game?

I might have had to double check the definition of that meaning of the word, in the process I found this definition

what are the functional programmers planning?

[jaunty wraith]

they think this is all a game

[eager trout]

passed my linear algebra for CSE class this semester with a B

Feels like I'm gaining infinity stones with each semester

I could even write my own rotating donut now lol

doesn't seem far fetched anymore

[vivid abyss]

Help

I feel overwhelmed rn

I cant decide whether do I try changing to roblox studio, python or both

should I do python session then a small roblox studio?

game developing seems fun

Roblox studio is like a very sorted out toolbox

which is pretty fun to me

and python and other engine are like making your stuffs from nothing

[uneven pine]

I'd highly recommend if you really want to make games to ditch the little kids game and use a real framework or engine

[warped sentinel]

try them both and see what you like better.

I would also like to suggest godot as it provides a language similar to python but has many tools and an environment dedicated to make games

[vivid abyss]

Oh okay

personally I think I'll focus on python I guess

but when I'm bored Il just goof around in roblox studio

[vivid abyss]

Il try that

[cloud oxide]

how can i change the password in the netgear app?
everything on the internet seems outdated

[brittle void]

looks like one of those sacred geometry drawings

[solemn tulip]

the glyphs are quite pretty

[brittle void]

what are those and what does it mean?

[solemn tulip]

it's the glyphs for the language in the game Tunic

tl;dr: and not too spoiling of the game: you encounter this language when interacting with stuff in the game, and game manual pages is mostly in this language

[brittle void]

oh, so its like in gow ragnarok

[solemn tulip]

no clue what the thing in that game is 🥴

I don't think sharing this page of the manual is too spoilery since it's one of the first you'll find, but let me put it as a spoiler anyway

[vale raven]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Unexpected/s/DKZmsXwC8r

[solemn tulip]

oh yeah, there is a canon style of these letters that's actually hexagon based

looks very weird when you have gotten used to the full height script

[jovial oriole]

Is this healthy?

Heart rate is usually around 60

[uneven pine]

You've mistaken this for Google a doctor

Those numbers are really bad. Really really bad. You've probably got two weeks to live at best. Tell your family you love them.

[strange blade]

You mean WikiHow

We're actually Bing, if you can't tell

[lament cairn]

Those numbers are really good. Really really good. You're God

(normal is 120/80 mmHg, you've got low blood pressure. seek a doctor get it checked out)

[hearty violet]

who tf asks for health advice on a python server

[lament cairn]

desperate or bored people

[hearty violet]

the ER is made for people in dire need

[lament cairn]

if it's someone from the US i understand

funeral costs less than a trip to the ER or stmht liek that

[hearty violet]

sure ig? but chances are they have insurance that would foot the bill

tho they'd still pay a part of it

better than dying idk
just don't go to the hospital on an ambulance 💀

[wanton delta]

normal blood pressure varies from people to people, it is also affected by a lot of other factors. im not a doctor, so visit your physician

[vivid abyss]

Forbidden language by the Egyptian gods

[vivid abyss]

We are techpriest, not doctors

we fix technologies, not your flesh

[fresh basalt]

105 is fine but really it depends on the person.

[fresh basalt]

Monitor your blood pressure over a period of time so you can find out where you hang out. Also see a doctor.

Don't ask people on Discord for medical advice.

[young shoal]

taking blood pressure readings is kind of involved. you can't just look at it occasionally and get an accurate reading

[fresh basalt]

I usually take three readings in a row.

It also depends on if you're standing up or sitting down

[young shoal]

and what you've eaten

[fresh basalt]

Also raise your arm up a little and rest it

[young shoal]

and tons of other things

[fresh basalt]

I took my bp once after an espresso just for giggles once

It was about 10 mm/hG higher than normal

@jovial oriole https://www.heart.org/en/health-topics/high-blood-pressure/understanding-blood-pressure-readings

Your blood pressure is also affected by your circadian rhythm and what time of day it is.

[jovial oriole]

Oh no

[idle elbow]

OMG I CLIPPED THAT

A TYPO

EIVL

[jovial oriole]

Its not

[idle elbow]

AND ALSO GOTO CONSITERED AS A NATIONAL THREAT FR FR

[strange blade]

It's an inside joke.

[vocal oyster]

!ot

[idle elbow]

wha

[vocal oyster]

wrong cmd

[strange blade]

eivl is one of the mods here.

!topic

[royal lake]

Off-topic channels

There are three off-topic channels:

• #ot0-psvm’s-eternal-disapproval
• #ot1-perplexing-regexing
• #ot2-never-nester’s-nightmare

The channel names change every night at midnight UTC and are often fun meta references to jokes or conversations that happened on the server.

See our off-topic etiquette page for more guidance on how the channels should be used.

[idle elbow]

oh

[strange blade]

The channel names change every night at midnight UTC and are often fun meta references to jokes or conversations that happened on the server.

[idle elbow]

ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

lol

cool

[lament cairn]

[vocal oyster]

make sure to clown on the grammar issue in #ot2-never-nester’s-nightmare

[idle elbow]

THIS IS NOT AN HELP CHANNEL 😂 i get it

[jovial oriole]

Ok

[idle elbow]

oh yea, A*

[strange blade]

There are plenty of eivl puns in the otn lsit

[idle elbow]

LOL

[strange blade]

a-chaotic-eivl is a recent one

[idle elbow]

why tho?

[idle elbow]

wha

[timid latch]

Because eivl is a funny person

[idle elbow]

wait really?

[vocal oyster]

no way

[idle elbow]

i dont really thinked so.

[vocal oyster]

I thought with my brain

[strange blade]

Like right now, he's unironically playing World of Warcraft! /s

[idle elbow]

#python-discussion message

[timid latch]

[idle elbow]

he is kind, not funny

[idle elbow]

whats wrong lol

[vocal oyster]

you can be both 💀

they aren't mutually exclusive traits

[idle elbow]

ok lemme see the lates tmessages of elvi0

[vocal oyster]

you don't need to verify the funny

[idle elbow]

yes, but i am curious

[jovial oriole]

15 yrs old

i get very regular vigirous exercise and a fairly healthy diet

I took this as well

[lament cairn]

fuckin uhhh

go to a doctor

[young shoal]

why do you have one of these anyway

[jovial oriole]

Idk

[lament cairn]

parents, probably?

[jovial oriole]

i found it in a cabinet

[strange blade]

[jovial oriole]

so i used it for fun

[vocal oyster]

I wouldn't do that too often

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/blood-pressure-test/ it probably isn't a good idea to just do it randomly

[lament cairn]

thinkingcat

[tardy rain]

Big number good

If your blood pressure isnt as high as can be are you even a serious person?

[jovial oriole]

And this is some moderate cardio and pushups later

My parents said the numbers are fine

76 bpm*

[prime lagoon]

goto is always one of those thing that sometimes i want, but then i don't want it

[small coral]

goto has helped me get out of some extremely complicated code structuring ≈∇≈‴

[harsh tundra]

For bpm, a basic smart watch can monitor it easily. :3 idk my pressure because I haven't been monitoring it, but bpm is monitored almost 24/7 for me XD

[wanton delta]

sits faster

[vivid abyss]

Do y'all know that shit roblox game called "sol's rng"

you literally only need to spent 1 hour max recreating it 💀

I did it in 1 minute and 16 seconds without visuals

On python therminal

[hearty violet]

Do y'all know that shit game called "roblox"

[uneven pine]

Wow a game for 10 year olds isn't very good. I'm so surprised.

[vale raven]

My 17 and 18 yo brothers play it daily

They have a “Roblox account manager” program to help them keep track of which accounts have which gear in different games

I think it’s dumb as shit

[meager stratus]

how do you guys know what's on the otn list

[jovial oriole]

Ale

I think i got one of those

[uneven pine]

Yeah it's pretty cringe when grown ass adults play that game

[thick osprey]

Yes, how dare grown ass adults have checks notes fun.

[gritty zinc]

looking to have fun and choosing to have it in roblox is... suboptimal

[thick osprey]

smh

[tulip falcon]

I used to be a roblox parkour aficionado

[ruby birch]

FIT CHECK:

[fresh basalt]

Some people think the same thing about Pokemon.

Also WoW

Or Final Fantasy Online

talk about gear

People play that game for cosmetics.

[gritty zinc]

pokemon? come on, it's a game for children. surely nobody plays one of these and expects it to be good. :p

[fresh basalt]

Roblox is probably fine for kids who want to play tag in a video game.

I saw Game Grumps play Squid Game in Roblox

It was hilarious.

There was also some pizza parlor thing and Arin kept getting dunked on by kids.

fantastic

[rain marsh]

Yep sorry guys once you turn 18 you can't play games on Roblox anymore 😔

[fresh basalt]

mfw an 11 year old smokes everybody in Team Fortress

[cloud veldt]

mfw an 11 year old smokes

I am anti kids smoking

😎

[idle elbow]

pip installed paggages

[tulip falcon]

pip install postgres

[drowsy rose]

why would anyone need more than 1 account for a video game

[vale raven]

that’s what I’m saying

[drowsy rose]

i severely doubt its for improved opsec

[vale raven]

Read my messages

Different accounts have different gear and different levels

[lament cairn]

mb that made zero fuckin sense

[idle elbow]

random module not being random somehow.

6 in a row

[vale raven]

So… for example, their favorite game is one where the only way to level up is to kill other players
The higher level person you kill, the more levels you get
So if you login with a high level character
EVERYONE IMMEDIATELY JUMPS IN YOUR FACE
So they have another account with a low level character that doesn’t matter as much if it dies to practice with and do all their transactional shit

[vale raven]

https://www.reddit.com/r/networkingmemes/s/FLCg0dO7lN

[drowsy rose]

i feel like

thats missing the point of the game

[vale raven]

Probably

[sacred cove]

Yo, can i claim free nitro from epic store?

[thick ore]

random.choice = lambda x: x[1]

lol

[acoustic moss]

.xkcd 221

[median dome]

XKCD comic #221

RFC 1149.5 specifies 4 as the standard IEEE-vetted random number.

2007/2/9 - #221, 'Random Number'

[jovial oriole]

Powder wasnt concentrated enough

i did it again in a lid but the motion detection didnt capture it

[wanton delta]

Is the Laravel documentation documentation like FastAPI's where, it's not a public API documentation but rather a tutorial?

Im so mad

[thick ore]

why are more people using php

[wanton delta]

Contrary to popular belief php8 is not bad

So back to my question

[idle elbow]

wtf

o wait nvm

i need like a hour

[eager trout]

wrote a 3d renderer in rust

normals calculations are kinda scuffed

added culling

[jovial loom]

هشخش

[jaunty wraith]

?

[jovial loom]

hi

[tropic torrent]

it took 293 questions to get this anwser

[lament cairn]

i wonder why windows doesn't have something like zram https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Zram

there's memory compression but it's near useless and not adjustable

[graceful basin]

Windows doesn't really do ramdisks, compressed or not

[fresh basalt]

Not anymore

ancient history

I don't think I started using MS-DOS until like version 5 though

PC-DOS was sort of a novelty for me.

[glossy niche]

fastAPI does have API documentation it just doesnt show up on google for some reason

[fresh basalt]

Are you behind some proxy that's filtering your traffic or something?

[lament cairn]

for quite some time after the api docs were added it wouldnt show up on google

[fresh basalt]

oh?

[lament cairn]

and afaik the tutorial version of the docs still shows up as the top result

[fresh basalt]

lame

I wonder why.

[lament cairn]

probably a mix of google not picking it up yet and not enough people knowing fastapi had proper api docs

[fresh basalt]

maybe robots.txt forbade the Google spider

[young shoal]

preventing search engines from indexing docs is like...incredibly counterproductive

[fresh basalt]

ddg not too much better

[fresh basalt]

Arguably.

Depends on the end-goal.

[young shoal]

what goals are there?

[lament cairn]

did my message come off as saying tiangolo intentionally blocked google from indexing the api?

[fresh basalt]

You'd have to ask them.

I don't think it did.

I think it's possible Dave the intern screwed something up.

Fkin Dave

[lament cairn]

or there simply was a delay

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[fresh basalt]

I like blaming Dave better

Screw Dave

[lament cairn]

yeah, screw dave

[royal lake]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied timeout to @rough sapphire until <t:1716160691:f> (10 minutes) (reason: duplicates spam - sent 4 duplicate messages).

The <@&831776746206265384> have been alerted for review.

[gleaming forge]

Does anyone know how to check if my network adapter is enabled for virtual machine (an application)?

[rough sapphire]

Nee.

NEE.

[wicked haven]

It does not have a robots.txt.

[meager stratus]

@lyric sonnet
can you give me some tips for organic chemistry?

how do I get better at it

[lyric sonnet]

uhhh idk

[meager stratus]

SInce you're a chem major

you must know

[lyric sonnet]

i've not taken the ochem series yet, just the non major ochem class

[meager stratus]

so did you make a heck lot of diagrams?

and revise them daily?

[lyric sonnet]

no ngl 😭

if you want study habits don't copy mine

[meager stratus]

💀

[lyric sonnet]

i made some flash cards for mechanisms

and just did the hw

[meager stratus]

hmmm

very interesting

[lyric sonnet]

didn't really study too much

got the highest grade in the class 💀

[meager stratus]

💀

[lyric sonnet]

ochem just made sense to me

[meager stratus]

that's amazing

chemistry still sometimes baffles me

[lyric sonnet]

lots of complicated stuff for sure

[meager stratus]

mostly how there are three or four mechanisms for one reaction

[lyric sonnet]

anyway if you're a person who can use flashcards, def make flash cards of all the mechanisms, single step reactions, etc etc

gotta remember the basic rules, the exceptions, and the basic form of each mechanism

[meager stratus]

ahh right

can't forget the exceptions

thank you kind lady

[lyric sonnet]

no prob

[meager stratus]

May The Force be with you.

[lyric sonnet]

xD

[rough sapphire]

diaper

[rancid stratus]

Can I ask for help here for arch Linux gnome desktop not working ?

[jaunty wraith]

sure

[hearty violet]

no you can't ask, just ask directly

[vocal oyster]

waiting 7 hours to get someone to respond that they can send their real issue to wait to respond

[fresh basalt]

http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/2013/07/the-internet.gif

[wicked haven]

Timezones 🌈

[native edge]

could someone please help me with a javascript issue of inspect console?

[vocal oyster]

if you sent your issue straight away you wouldn't need to wait half a day for someone to say yes

people aren't going to be confident enough to know they can for sure answer your question

[vocal oyster]

irrelevant

see how it happened again

it was the morning for europe, plenty of people to respond if there was just a question

[fresh basalt]

we live in a society

[rough sapphire]

@chrome forge yo buddy its night for me, i dont want to talk much

im watching to sleep and u keep bothering

i didnt mean to be rude

i had to be command you there

@chrome forge this is my reason, you may unblock me if youd like to cuz i dont have any beef with you, i just want the night myself

[wanton delta]

So microsoft is planning to launch Recall, thoughts about this potential spying protocol

[jaunty wraith]

nohello moment

[lament cairn]

Microsoft says all data is processed locally (only works with NPU-enabled "Copilot PCs" I think?)

it also can be disabled or tuned to ignore certain content/titles/programs

they thought of that in advance
... still wouldn't trust them

I think it's a neat idea but one that could become a privacy/security concern, not just because of Microsoft

There's also resource usage, that might be a problem

Unless microsoft uses WebP for storing the screenshots, or smth like that

[hearty violet]

microsoft is a very trustworthy company, they've never done anything wrong
we can 100% trust them not to mine our data behind our backs

[soft violet]

Linux is a valid alternative.

Until Microsoft does even more deals with hardware manufacturers. I wouldn't put it past MS to pay them to bake in Windows-only restrictions.

So you could only run certain versions of Windows.

Especially with the proliferation of ARM devices and phones.

The architecture for making it difficult to switch is already there.

Desktops of old, you fuck up installing a new os, you can start over. Phones you fuck up installing a new os and you lock yourself out.

[wanton delta]

The tech is cool, I agree with the resource consumption, but yea privacy concern is the main highlight. I just dont trust them.

[lament cairn]

you fuck up installing a new os and you try again through recovery

if you fucked that too then uh skill issue
(unless now the os and recovery are very tightly connected? havent done any rom stuff in a while)

[soft violet]

Well, from what I've seen, sometimes they do shit to frustrate the process so it's like only "genuine" bootloaders/operating systems can be installed.

[lament cairn]

yeah carrier locked devices

actually unlocked too

one of my xperia phones required using their web thing and my IMEI to get the fastboot unlock key

[soft violet]

and because it's all soc, it's not like you can unplug the hard drive into something else to bootstrap

[lament cairn]

you have a point

[soft violet]

Or boot from usb on a phone

Carrier locked phones ought to be illegal.

Imagine if you bought a PC that only worked with one ISP.

People would be all nope, fuck that.

...

[lament cairn]

I think they're fine. are they cheaper than unlocked in the US?

[soft violet]

Actually, many people wouldn't care, because they're tech illiterate idiots.

[carmine apex]

ehhh, if it suddenly changed. but if it started that way? they wouldn't complain

[solemn tulip]

I've never had a carrier locked phone 🥴

[fresh basalt]

That's interesting - which country have you purchased your phones in and how long have you been purchasing them?

I think unlocked phones became more common maybe 10-15 years ago

maybe less

[soft violet]

My first one was, but then it didn't have a sim card and I'm happy enough with my carrier.

[bleak lintel]

i've never had a carrier locked phone either -- UK

[soft violet]

It was a Nokia brick and a gift, so.

[solemn tulip]

sweden here

and I guess...20 something years?

[fresh basalt]

Virgin?

[bleak lintel]

i was virgin, now it became O2

[fresh basalt]

I guess if it wasn't locked to carrier the carrier wuldn't matter

[solemn tulip]

a bit intimate of a question 👀

[shell raptor]

Imagine if cars only accepted one particular brand of gasoline. Identified by some proprietary additive that's hard to reverse engineer

[fresh basalt]

That's how old I am - I still think of Virgin

[shell raptor]

though maybe printers will be first to innovate in this space

[fresh basalt]

It's totally a US thing isn't it?

fking Verizon

I'm sure there have to be carrier-locked phones in other regions.

[carmine apex]

i think mine is carrier-locked

[fresh basalt]

US companies aren't the only companies that suck.

[soft violet]

Sinks that only held water with a particular detergent.

[vale raven]

Standard cat behavior

[carmine apex]

standard verizon behavior

got dang it - bootloader's probably locked too

[soft violet]

Coffee machines where you only could use proprietary, rfid tagged capsules that were expensive but not so expensive nobody would buy them.

[carmine apex]

blasted verizon

[carmine apex]

erm what

keurig is hella popular

[fresh basalt]

hahahahahaha keurig goes brrrrrrrr

HP printers too right?

[carmine apex]

all printers

[fresh basalt]

printerocracy

[carmine apex]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHX6tHdQGiQ dude goes into details here

[fresh basalt]

I haven't owned a printer in over ten years.

[soft violet]

Printer cartridges built to an interoperable standard, yes.

[fresh basalt]

Brother printers are good I think.

because toner is expensive anyways :P

[carmine apex]

you could rather easily mod a printer cartridge to disable the locking chip, but they also make them funny sizes, so your unlocked cartridge probably wouldn't fit anywhere else

[lament cairn]

at least ink tank printers exist

[soft violet]

https://tenor.com/view/muddy-filthy-dean-winchester-shower-bath-gif-11910309

[fresh basalt]

You can buy one of the syringe kits to inject it with ink but that is such a gigantic PITA

[carmine apex]

the locking chip is also the reason why cartridges will report they're almost empty despite being at like 30% capacity

[fresh basalt]

yep

I'd say burn it all down and start over without the corporations but people would figure out a way to screw things up.

[soft violet]

Maybe a bunch of people could form groups to work on projects, and they could form bigger teams with other teams, then hire a bunch of people to put into action those processes and they could expand and capture the market and, oh, no, wait...

But this time we'll get it right.

[fresh basalt]

Maybe the bees will do a better job.

not sure we're the apes for the job

[soft violet]

Empires rise and fall.

[carmine apex]

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/32/69/61/326961557be7e8d58636993cbe2c145e.jpg

[soft violet]

We have the potential to exist beyond the life of our sun if we apply ourselves as a species to the problem. Will we? Probably not.

I mean, we might make a go at it when push comes to shove.

[carmine apex]

there's also a question of should we

[soft violet]

By then, we may have adapted ourselves into a tortuous existence.

What we are will be a relic of the deep earth.

What we become, unrecognisable.

The lines of division between species may blur.

[fresh basalt]

fkin mondays

Now where could my pipe be?

[grave cove]

just move the solar system

[fresh basalt]

It's moving

[grave cove]

move it more

[fresh basalt]

Need more mass

[grave cove]

that's why we have your mom

[soft violet]

https://tenor.com/view/the-simpsons-why-didnt-i-think-of-that-hank-scorpio-homer-simpson-you-only-move-twice-gif-20385109

[grave cove]

ikr

[fresh basalt]

@vale raven move the milky way

[grave cove]

i am somewhat of a genuis

[carmine apex]

tryng to to move stuff, not collapse everything into a black hole

[vale raven]

https://tenor.com/view/dont-make-me-laugh-minions-silly-cute-laugh-gif-16446973

[soft violet]

We might not get a say in that.

[vale raven]

It doesn't fit on my sled

[fresh basalt]

I bet you like minions unironically.

[carmine apex]

being correct and using minions removes the correctness

[fresh basalt]

See if it fits in your fanny pack.

[grave cove]

bro sent a minion gif

[vale raven]

Do you guys have something against minions or something??

[grave cove]

boomer gameplay

[carmine apex]

robin is correct for once

[fresh basalt]

shen is three boomers in a trenchcoat

[vale raven]

My dog is like 2ft tall

[grave cove]

you should make her stand then measure

[vale raven]

How small are your boomers??

[fresh basalt]

One day she is going to smother you in your sleep.

[carmine apex]

#the-pydis-mass-layoffs-lounge message moment

[fresh basalt]

🔒

[tardy rain]

2ft short lmao

[vale raven]

#the-pydis-mass-layoffs-lounge message

[fresh basalt]

https://tenor.com/view/spider-man-we-one-gif-18212100

[carmine apex]

average helper threats

average rabid dog moment

[eternal depot]

1984

[carmine apex]

is that in metres or kilometres

[fresh basalt]

Smoots

[carmine apex]

.wa s 1984 smoots to light-nanoseconds

[median dome]

Wolfram Alpha

about 11262 light nanoseconds

[carmine apex]

mildly large

[fresh basalt]

smoot isn't small

[lament cairn]

what the hell is a smoot

[fresh basalt]

.wa s 1 smoot to inches

[median dome]

Wolfram Alpha

67 inches

[tardy rain]

Lmao

[fresh basalt]

@carmine apex smooth

[carmine apex]

lance why must you hurt me so

.wiki smoot

[median dome]

Wikipedia Search Results

Smoot
The smoot /ˈsmuːt/ is a nonstandard, humorous unit of length created as part of an MIT fraternity pledge to Lambda Chi Alpha by Oliver R. Smoot, who in

Smoot–Hawley Tariff Act
1930 (codified at 19 U.S.C. ch. 4), commonly known as the Smoot–Hawley Tariff or Hawley–Smoot Tariff, was a law that implemented protectionist trade policies

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[fresh basalt]

git good scrub

[eternal depot]

.Urbandictionary smoot

[carmine apex]

pot calling the kettle black methinks

[fresh basalt]

we don't want no scrubs

[vale raven]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmOd7z8Edrg

[fresh basalt]

https://tenor.com/view/the-other-guys-tlc-michael-keaton-scrubs-gif-13082750

[carmine apex]

yet you're still here. curious

[fresh basalt]

very curious

[vale raven]

We still let you hang out here, don't we?

[fresh basalt]

beats staring at the wall

[carmine apex]

i don't think the staff pet has any say in such matters, to be fair

so your use of "we" is not super accurate

[vale raven]

[fresh basalt]

What sort of name is Thuri anyways?

[carmine apex]

it was longer but it got shortened to the current quasi-nickname

[eternal depot]

From thurizard?

[carmine apex]

from me username

thurisatic

[eternal depot]

Or Thurimander?

[carmine apex]

thurmeleon: 😭

[alpine tusk]

couldn't you choose something more reasonable to convert to?

.wa 1 smoot in bald eagles

[median dome]

Wolfram Alpha

Failed to get response.

[alpine tusk]

.wa 1 smoot in metres

[median dome]

Wolfram Alpha

View original for a bigger picture.

[alpine tusk]

.wa s 1 smoot in metres

[median dome]

Wolfram Alpha

about 1.7 meters

[alpine tusk]

alright

[fresh basalt]

.wa s 1 smoot to barleycorns

[median dome]

Wolfram Alpha

201 barleycorns

[fresh basalt]

@alpine tusk

[solemn tulip]

🐰 🐶

[muted needle]

hello

so i got a problem

my laptops got no space, even though I barely download anything

so how do I increase space? or which files should I delete?

[eternal depot]

Download more space

[lament cairn]

(Assuming Windows) I use a program called WizTree to find the biggest files on my drives https://diskanalyzer.com/
It scans the drive pretty quickly and doesn't have to be installed, there' s a portable version

If you're on Windows 10 or 11, you can use CompactOS to reduce the OS install size without deleting anything https://www.elevenforum.com/t/enable-or-disable-compact-os-in-windows-10-and-windows-11.3556/

There's also disabling hibernation, which frees up an amount equal or close to your RAM size

[rose hare]

anyways, if anyone wants to continue

objective:

• generate expressions that approximate the value of sqrt(x), maybe using only a small set of operations like + - * /
• the error of the approx. must be below 0.01 for x in [1, 2, ..., 100000]

OP's code

test = [1, 25, 100, 1000, 10000, 100000]

def check(formula):
    global test
    error = 0
    for x in test:
        real = math.sqrt(x)
        try:
            aproxim = eval(formula)
            error += abs(real - aproxim)
    return error

def generate():
    constants = ['x', 'x**-1', 'x**-2', 'x**2', 'x**3', '1', '2', '5', '10', '0.1', '0.01', '0.001', '100', '1000', '-1', '-2']
    operators = ['-', '*', '/', '+']
    best_formula = ''
    min_error = float('inf')

    for epoch in range(40000):
        formula = 'x'
        for _ in range(7):
            op = random.choice(operators)
            const = random.choice(constants)
            formula = f"{formula} {op} {const}"
            error = check(formula)
        if error < min_error:
            min_error = error
            best_formula = formula
    return best_formula

real_error = 43234234
reals_formula = ''
for chunk in range(1000):
    chunk_formula = generate()
    constants = ['x', 'x**-1', 'x**-2', 'x**2', 'x**3', '1', '2', '5', '10', '0.1', '0.01', '0.001', '100', '1000', '-1', '-2']
    operators = ['-', '*', '/', '+']
    best_formula = ''
    min_error = float('inf')
    for epoch in range(40000):
        formula_org = chunk_formula
        formula = chunk_formula
        for _ in range(7):
            op = random.choice(operators)
            const = random.choice(constants)
            formula = f"{formula} {op} {const}"
            error = check(formula)
        if error < min_error:
            min_error = error
            real_formula = formula
    if min_error < real_error:
       real_error = min_error
       reals_formula = real_formula
    with open(f"form.txt", "a") as f:
        now = datetime.now()
        formatted_time = now.strftime("%m#%d %H:%M:%S")
        f.write(f"{formatted_time} | Чанк: {chunk} # Best: {reals_formula} # Error: {real_error}\n")
    print(f'№{chunk} завершен. Лучшая формула: {real_error}')

[wooden shell]

I'd be happy for any help

[solemn tulip]

something something Taylor series

[lament cairn]

nah they want a formula

other than taylor

[woeful phoenix]

you could try implementing the eval+PyPy suggestion that has been made so many times by now

[rose hare]

my suggestion was change formula from a str that needs to be evaled to a list of functions that you can call

approx = ...
for fn in formula:
    approx += fn(x)
error = abs(approx - true_value)

[woeful phoenix]

it's confusing, sometimes they talk about "error" as if they want an approximation, and sometimes they talk about "essence" as if they want an exact formula

[rose hare]

finding the value isn't the goal, they want to generate expressions that approximates sqrt(x) for the specific set of values x in [1, 2, ..., 100000]

[wooden shell]

I tried to implement this days earlier, it only gave an improvement of 1.3x

[dapper shell]

why didn't you keep that improvement, and show us that code?

[woeful phoenix]

would Cython help here?

[solemn tulip]

a truncated taylor series is a formula approximating the thing

[wooden shell]

I considered it a no-brainer, since I've argued before that I need 4000 times acceleration.

[solemn tulip]

granted, Taylor in particular is a terrible idea in this case

[lament cairn]

how "hot" is this code? as in, how often is it ran?

[solemn tulip]

because the radius of convergence is limited by the bad behavior at 0

[rose hare]

yes, but they want to find more exprs that approx. sqrt(x) for those inputs

[wooden shell]

A friend of mine approximated this formula with taylor series and got something like this:
1+1/2(x-1)-1/8(x-1)^2

[rose hare]

the reason is related to a potentially new field of AI/ML
or something idk, OP said it'd take too long to explain

[harsh tundra]

Have you looked at https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methods_of_computing_square_roots
Quickly looking, digit-by-digit seems to me manual way i was taught (at least the "examples" section there suggests it's the same as manual with how it's written)
And since you do it digit-by-digit you don't have iterative approach to getting it to certain error, should match your approach?

Now i see the Cyrillic, so maybe it's called similar in your lang as it's in Polish - in Polish manually calculating square like that is called "pierwiastkowanie pisemne" (and in general manually doing basic operations is "działania pisemne"). I have no idea how this manual method of calculation is called in English tho, lol

[wooden shell]

yes

[solemn tulip]

numerical methods are more useful for this problem anyway

Newton's method and whatnot

[crystal spruce]

considering you just want 2dp and you have a given range, binary search would work

[wooden shell]

As I said earlier, even the great scientists could not discover the square root formula through analysis

[solemn tulip]

approximating roots with simple functions is hard, because it's just ill behaved

[solemn tulip]

wdym square root formula?

[harsh tundra]

So you think you'll discover it how?

[dapper shell]

they want a closed-form expression for square roots.

[solemn tulip]

it doesn't exist in terms of the simple operations that's being considered

[rose hare]

yes because people proved that you cannot make an irrational number from a finite chain of rational numbers and + - * / operations

[dapper shell]

they want it within a certain error tolerance. it doesn't have to be exact. Don't ask why, you won't get an answer.

[wooden shell]

I believe there's a formula for everything. Have you considered that the discovery of a formula is called "discovery" and not "creation"? The fact is that all formulas in the abstract world of math have existed since the creation of the universe. And I believe there is a formula for the square root.

[dapper shell]

are you talking about an exact formula?

[wooden shell]

Yes, but it is possible to get an approximation

[harsh tundra]

Oh my...

[wooden shell]

I doubt about the exact formula, but about the formula with an error of 0.01< I am 100% sure

[rose hare]

ok, approx
here was my two cents on how you may make the code faster (by removing the need for eval)

whether it is actually faster you'll have to run and test

[harsh tundra]

You're switching between exact and approximate all the time when writing...
There is no exact formula, look up a simple proof how e.g. sqrt(2) is irrational. We did those here in first grade of high school when learning about.
And for approximate (which you wanted? you wanted to approximate to second decimal) you were already given many methods

[wooden shell]

If I still can't find the right formula within two days, then I will have to expand the field of numbers or operations. As Karl Gauss once did, a complex field is open

[dapper shell]

I'm not sure why it's useful to have an approximation, but sure, there is one. It's not clear you can do it with just the primitives you've chosen, and it's not clear that exhaustively exploring that multi-dimensional space will ever find it.

[solemn tulip]

of course you can contrive some super long approximation into existence, but in practice it will be worse than just simple numerical methods

[lament cairn]

I'd like to understand why you want a formula with just the basic + - * / instead of using stuff that already exists

like, as mentioned n times, Taylor series

[young shoal]

there are exact formulas though

[harsh tundra]

When they first time said "random formula", I honestly thought they just meant Monte Carlo. It would be faster and more accurate as well.

[solemn tulip]

though as mentioned earlier, bad idea

because radius of convergence from ill behavior at 0

[wooden shell]

It takes too long to explain. But when I find what I need, I'll be one step closer to solving my problem.

[harsh tundra]

Cannot be calculated fully tho, didn't they want the finite one? From their "non-iterative" approach I thought they wanted the error<0.01 to be done without iteration, so I assumed they wanted finite

[young shoal]

no idea what they want still ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[rose hare]

.

[dapper shell]

i don't know what your full problem is because you won't tell us, but I think you are headed down the wrong path.

[lament cairn]

if you still want to go down this (weird and likely pointless) route, I have an idea, but I'd like to understand something first: how are you running the script? is it just a plain python3 script.py?

[wooden shell]

I have already solved my task 30 moves ahead and I am sure that I am going on the right path. To solve it, I went from the opposite

[wooden shell]

yes

[solemn tulip]

!e

def root(x):
    guess = x/2
    for i in range(5):
        guess = guess - (guess**2 - x)/(2*guess)
    return guess

print(root(10))
print(root(123456))

[royal lake]

:white_check_mark: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 0.

001 | 3.1622776601683795
002 | 1950.2656910886885

[wooden shell]

Okay, I'll come back to you in a week, with the square root formula, I'll have to do everything myself again...

[lament cairn]

I'd like input from others on this:
why not implement all the optimizations suggested (like #ot1-perplexing-regexing message, pypy, etc..) and distribute the computation accross multiple processes/machines? you seem confident that what you're doing is correct and all you need is optimization

[wooden shell]

I'll be back here in another month to show you what I've been working on. In the meantime, I'll give you a little hint: This is something that will change the idea of Artificial Intelligence by 34000%

[tardy rain]

Good luck!

[wraith ermine]

As I said in general, you are probably looking for https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continued_fraction

https://r-knott.surrey.ac.uk/Fibonacci/cfCALC.html
This is a continued fraction calculator for you to check

[solemn tulip]

yeah sure

[lament cairn]

the man who revolutionized AI in a discord chat

ok

[solemn tulip]

stuff like genetic algos for generating symbolical expressions is nothing new

[tardy rain]

Someone put a reminder on that

[solemn tulip]

the technique just kinda sucks

[lament cairn]

!remind 30d #ot1-perplexing-regexing message has ai changed by 34k% yet?

[royal lake]

Noooooo!!

Sorry, you can only do that in #bot-commands!

[lament cairn]

fuck

[solemn tulip]

fancy formulas will also end up more expensive than a bunch of iterations of Newton's method

[wooden shell]

the formula of the square root is 1/100 of the whole problem. Okay, it's time for me to dive headfirst into the problem of slow python...

[harsh tundra]

In pygen i mentioned how OP looks like a person who just discovered squaring of the circle and has a "solution to it" (i was such kid, I "only" needed a line of length pi and no one explained to me I'm not supposed to use a piece of string for it XD)

[solemn tulip]

I mean, I won't stop you from sinking time into something that will not end up fruitful 🤷

[wooden shell]

See you in a week and again in a month

[solemn tulip]

even just saying "the formula for a square root" also underlines you're not actually understanding the math involved at all

[harsh tundra]

I already mentioned above that OP constantly switches from talking about exact (the phrasing you quoted) vs approximation...

[rose hare]

well you can come back 1 week/month later to see if they got anything
I'm leaning towards not much will happen

[wraith ermine]

If they change AI by 34000% in a month I'll eat my socks

[vale raven]

!remind 1m watch the sock eating

[royal lake]

I got you.

Your reminder will arrive on <t:1719149335:F>!

ID: 6963

[wraith ermine]

to clarify, it needs to make AI 34000% better, not 34000% worse

[vale raven]

too late

[tardy rain]

Where does this 34000 figure even come from

[wraith ermine]

here

[solemn tulip]

but not finite

[wraith ermine]

this is interesting: https://leancrew.com/all-this/2023/08/continued-fractions-in-python/

[wanton delta]

guys when does web dev become soul sucking

all these just for a decent looking frontend

[hearty violet]

all of programming is like this tho?

[tardy rain]

It gets so much worse than this

Not the technical side of things

[wanton delta]

all that for this
these are placeholder images so never mind it

[wanton delta]

the 'make it pretty' side of things?

[tardy rain]

The "remake it, i dont like this" side of things

[wanton delta]

who gets the say in this situation? i assume a frontend dev would implement what graphc designers and artists have outlined

[tardy rain]

Yea

[wanton delta]

and UI/UX

[tardy rain]

Its difficult to say

Youre given specs and such, you make it, you demo it

They change their goddamn mind

[wanton delta]

oh sorry we hate it

[tardy rain]

Rinse repeat

[wanton delta]

hmm

i guess that's why many just start with a template

[tardy rain]

Its just one part of the "webdev to cabin innawoods" pipeline

Welcome

[wanton delta]

im following a course, we've had 2 chance to do showcases, i did them while my site was still looking like

[wanton delta]

happy to be here

[harsh tundra]

Discord says you meant 'looking like shit'

[hybrid root]

the perfect website

[paper sequoia]

Their db can't handle it 🥴

[lament cairn]

I think FOSS projects should start copying their closed-source "competitors" appearance more often
ie GIMP should look more like Photoshop

[young shoal]

but why

[lament cairn]

all the big names look too "FOSS-ey"

as in, they look like hot garbage

[young shoal]

average foss

[fresh basalt]

average conversation about foss

[soft violet]

Signs your service is storing your password and in plaintext...

(Which is a nono.)

[vale raven]

oh no

[warped sentinel]

if only there was a way to fix that

[eternal depot]

Tuuuuubuuuuular bells

[wanton delta]

Discord wasnt wrong

[glossy niche]

how do i buy NVDA stock but at the old price

[carmine apex]

time machine

[soft violet]

Ha, yeah, I saw that.

[glossy niche]

https://vxtwitter.com/Dorialexander/status/1793561753160429787

free money but I missed out on it :(((((

[willow narwhal]

by that logic there's free money everywhere on the stock market. Just buy the right ones, easy..

[glossy niche]

I sure love generating shareholder value

[rough sapphire]

lol

[harsh tundra]

Huh. Weird. My laptop can't connect to WiFi... Tested on 2 for which it has the pass.
I thought the network card broke after years...
... But it connects to my phone hotspot no problem? So idk what's happening

[lament cairn]

Is it DNS?

[wanton delta]

can't be right

[harsh tundra]

Nah, then it would connect but not have Internet

[hearty violet]

ur password is never too long

[harsh tundra]

I deleted and tried re-adding the main network. Doesn't work.
Same router, 5GHz network - works

The 2 networks it didn't work for are not the same device, btw, it was main router's 2.4GHz and my secondary connection

[hearty violet]

most of the people working on those projects don't know jack shit about design lol

[harsh tundra]

Phone normally connects to both those networks that didn't work on laptop. Magic

[rough sapphire]

@harsh tundra r u connected to the 5Ghz now?

[harsh tundra]

on laptop, yes
on phone I'm on 2.4GHz on the same router

[rough sapphire]

why do u think 2.4Ghz on ur mobile instead of 5Ghz?

[harsh tundra]

lower speeds but higher range, so I normally use it when doing stuff around the house instead of relying on my mobile data plan

[rough sapphire]

geez lol

ur pc must be close to the router

[harsh tundra]

the routers were changed over time, so laptop had 2.4GHz as default (same SSID as old router)

[harsh tundra]

this doesn't make sense. the 2.4GHz has higher range but doesn't work, while 5GHz (lower range) works

[rough sapphire]

because u move ur phone a lot (probably because u take it most of the time with u) your phone defaults to flexible high range 2.4Ghz

its okay tho

as long as ur connected to the internet

[harsh tundra]

That laptop hasn't been moved from its position at this desk for months. Router is also at the same place. Yet that WiFi stopped working. That's why i first thought my laptop's network card died at first

[rough sapphire]

unlikely lol

[harsh tundra]

The second network I tested was also 2.4GHz and also in the same spot all the time

Laptop also sees both wifis perfectly, the signal is normal. It just cannot connect (connecting fails)

[hexed sierra]

in fairness, since fast fading happens on a scale smaller than the wavelength (6 cm at 5GHz), moving the laptop one cm can move you from full bars to disconnected

could try just moving it around a little

(i'm guessing you did though)

[fresh basalt]

I've managed to "fix" those sorts of issues by moving equipment and the people for whom I did it looked at me like I was a wizard.

It's funny - for some reason I specifically remember the sequence in the AppleCare training about checking for that specific sort of scenario.

Just because their training material is so... Apple.

[harsh tundra]

If the bars were different, then I'd move stuff around. But the point is the bars were showing up as full/almost full and then failing the connection - and on 2 networks (2 different routers, placed in similar location), so I assumed something must've been up with the network card instead.

Testing my phone hotspot WiFi was something I thought about just after writing about "rip my network card"...
And only then I tested the 5GHz which should work worse, not better, if it was a distance issue!
... But I guess how different frequencies bump over the obstacles might play a difference?

[hexed sierra]

right, the last point. it's not just about the distance

you get different reflections and shadows at different freqs

[harsh tundra]

I didn't check the other router's 5GHz, I wonder if it would work as well 🤔 I'm currently outside but the wind suggests a storm might be coming this way

[glossy niche]

something i like about next js, or SSR in general, is that when you have dependent API calls, you can just run them all in the backend and then send the result to the user when the computation is done.

having to manage the state of dependent requests is so ass

[fierce adder]

Why is that a sign? What, I don’t get it?

[olive furnace]

Cause hashed passwords will always have the same length (or similar, maybe there's some encryption methods that add to the hash idk), regardless of the plaintext length

[sinful shard]

@stable fulcrum

[stable fulcrum]

this is how it looks on mine

still looks hairy

more than hairy

it looks like my printer's black n white print

it also prints white lines like that

[sinful shard]

ok my discord has hypertrichosis

leave it alone okkk

[stable fulcrum]

too late

[vale raven]

.wa s define hypertrichosis

[median dome]

Wolfram Alpha

Failed to get response.

[vale raven]

RIP

[stable fulcrum]

I got my razer ready

I am coming

[sinful shard]

Sir lancebot app ✅

WOLPHRAM ALPHA
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[vale raven]

tanks

[stable fulcrum]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-tank-pup-puppy-cute-gif-16932615

[sinful shard]

oh wow is that a Selbstfahrlafette für 15 cm schwere Panzerhaubitze 18/1 auf Geschützwagen III/IV (Sf) (Hummel Sd Kfz 165)?

[eternal depot]

https://tenor.com/view/shame-sad-dog-gif-1043941686904108215

[vale raven]

https://tenor.com/view/coneofshame-dug-up-gif-5972447

[soft violet]

Password data should be stored hashed, so it shouldn't matter how large the password is, it boils down to a known number of characters.

Why have some arbitrary limit of password length unless you had to squeeze it into a space of a known size?

[bleak lintel]

max length for the hash algo

[soft violet]

Max length for hash algorithms exist? ...okay, til.

[bleak lintel]

ya

bcrypt is 72 bytes

[soft violet]

Maybe I'm muddling the concepts of checksumming and hashing.

[bleak lintel]

it is the same, though when hashing you generally also have the ideas of salting and peppering

iex(13)> same_salt = Bcrypt.Base.gen_salt
"$2b$12$Fd2Smwsdyn9tmj30O.c3Fe"
iex(14)> hash_1 = Bcrypt.Base.hash_password String.duplicate("a", 100), same_salt
"$2b$12$Fd2Smwsdyn9tmj30O.c3FemXFMowsraRNFN64nuEk6tr/J9Z8CYoW"
iex(15)> hash_2 = Bcrypt.Base.hash_password String.duplicate("a", 1000), same_salt
"$2b$12$Fd2Smwsdyn9tmj30O.c3FemXFMowsraRNFN64nuEk6tr/J9Z8CYoW"
iex(16)> hash_1 == hash_2
true

elixir example but hopefully still somewhat easy to follow

[fresh basalt]

gesundheit

You sneezed so hard you got stuff all over my display.

[bleak lintel]

bcrypt truncating to 72 bytes has always irked me because in most implementations that's done transparently

iex(17)> Bcrypt.Base.hash_password String.duplicate("a", 10), same_salt
"$2b$12$Fd2Smwsdyn9tmj30O.c3FeiILKBloeFb4S.GHDQutXR/Xieaky0Ie"
iex(18)> Bcrypt.Base.hash_password String.duplicate("a", 50), same_salt
"$2b$12$Fd2Smwsdyn9tmj30O.c3FeZkn6dhjLzzwYvJY74B6vBdj8fyRLiE2"
iex(19)> Bcrypt.Base.hash_password String.duplicate("a", 100), same_salt
"$2b$12$Fd2Smwsdyn9tmj30O.c3FemXFMowsraRNFN64nuEk6tr/J9Z8CYoW"
iex(20)> Bcrypt.Base.hash_password String.duplicate("a", 1000), same_salt
"$2b$12$Fd2Smwsdyn9tmj30O.c3FemXFMowsraRNFN64nuEk6tr/J9Z8CYoW"

[drowsy rose]

wow thats a lotta words

[bleak lintel]

[glossy niche]

bro your profile badges

[graceful basin]

@rough sapphire yes, I am aware of Overlord.

[glossy niche]

fellas is nixos good for a linux desktop?

i have an old laptop id like to revive

wg i know you hate linux desktops

[fresh basalt]

What's the specifications?

[glossy niche]

old

[uneven pine]

No Linux is "good" got desktop but personally I'd recommend openSUSE Tumbleweed

[fresh basalt]

unhelpful

[uneven pine]

Rolling release but actually tested so it isn't broken every update like arch

[fresh basalt]

There are smaller Linux distros that are good for smaller machines.

[uneven pine]

And good software availability

[glossy niche]

iy 6500u + 8gb DDR4 + 256gb SATA SSD

[fresh basalt]

oh that's not fkin bad

[uneven pine]

Oh yeah Tumbleweed will run GREAT on that

It ran great on my i3-4030u machine

[fresh basalt]

NixOS would be fine too, or Ubuntu, or any number of distributions.

Just pick one you like the look of.

[uneven pine]

Hell my NUC is a Celeron j1300 and 4gb of RAM