if it saves like, 10 minutes, that's probably worth it
#ot1-perplexing-regexing
young shoal
rich karma
and i don't know what a language model really is but i don't associate with any form of intelligence
we use python not because it's easy
but because we can spend 20 minutes coding something that to automate a task that would take 10 minutes to do manually
young shoal
and i don't know what a language model really is but i don't associate with any ...
ah yes, "i don't know what it is, but i have an opinion on what it is"
rough sapphire
ROASTED
rich karma
ah yes, "i don't know what it is, but i have an opinion on what it is"
guilty as charged. but in my defense i was promised intelligence, and that thing didn't signal any form of intelligence
rough sapphire
mica you got roasted too hard we are no longer friends
rich karma
i'll win you back, dw about it
rough sapphire
๐ณ
rich karma
see
spare oriole
doot
rich karma
when it comes to "it's just 10 bucks wth cares", i disagree. i feel like consumers* have a moral obligation to keep technology on a leash
remeber when we used to say: "facebook is just some dumb php blog thing where you just write comments and poke people, wth cares?"
well, we should've, imo
austere summit
Copilot is pretty good for (a) using unfamiliar libraries correctly the first time, (b) writing obvious code that has been written thousands of times, (c) matching patterns in your code base and doing boilerplate. It's 100% worth $10/mo.
It's not like chatgpt that produces garbage.
rich karma
idk, i have comfortable margins when it comes to deadlines so i can't really relate when it comes to urgency. so i can comfortably spend time reading the docs and asking around, and finding the most suitable patterns through trial, error and standing on the shoulders of smarter people than me
austere summit
Check out the trial.
The other good thing is that the completions are sometimes better than what I would write so I end up learning something.
rich karma
how does copilot learn about a library that you never used, by analyzing its source code, or its docs or something else entirely?
austere summit
The model is based on freely licensed code on Github.
So you see how other people have used it, but made relative to your current cursor's context and code base.
rich karma
and how does it score what best suggestion to provide? by analyzing their source code, or by how popular "a way to use it" is among other programmers?
glossy niche
cope pilot
austere summit
It understands syntax/semantics of Python, at least. It's suggestions are relevant to my current context and reflect how it's commonly used.
rich karma
i see. thanks for the insight, man. i still don't feel like trying it, but my margin for whining about it got smaller, so that's good
coarse fiber
node = { 'state': gameState.getPacmanPosition() }
frontier = util.Queue()
frontier.push(node)
print(frontier.pop())
any idea why my Queue is empty when i clearly push? it says cant pop from an empty queue
graceful basin
That will depend on the internals of the queue, this should work given normal queue behaviour
grave cove
```py
node = { 'state': gameState.getPacmanPosition() }
frontier = util...
Did you build util.Queue yourself?
If so, can we see it's source code?
coarse fiber
Did you build `util.Queue` yourself?
well not myself but it just came with the code (this is for an AI assignment)
one sec i will post it
class Queue:
"A container with a first-in-first-out (FIFO) queuing policy."
def __init__(self):
self.list = []
def push(self,item):
"Enqueue the 'item' into the queue"
self.list.insert(0,item)
def pop(self):
"""
Dequeue the earliest enqueued item still in the queue. This
operation removes the item from the queue.
"""
return self.list.pop()
def isEmpty(self):
"Returns true if the queue is empty"
return len(self.list) == 0
In [3]: class Queue:
...: "A container with a first-in-first-out (FIFO) queuing policy."
...: def __init__(self):
...: self.list = []
...:
...: def push(self,item):
...: "Enqueue the 'item' into the queue"
...: self.list.insert(0,item)
...:
...: def pop(self):
...: """
...: Dequeue the earliest enqueued item still in the queue. This
...: operation removes the item from the queue.
...: """
...: return self.list.pop()
...:
...: def isEmpty(self):
...: "Returns true if the queue is empty"
...: return len(self.list) == 0
...:
...:
...: a = Queue()
...:
...: a.push(1)
...: print(a.pop())
1
```the problem should be in the code you didn't showdidnt show? how do you mean
graceful basin
The queue works, so if this is all the code, and the error is actually on that line, you likely aren't running the file correctly (maybe forgot to save, picked the file wrong, etc.)
coarse fiber
no way
actually the problem seems to be with this line
node = { 'state': gameState.getPacmanPosition() }
why wouldnt the queue accept this?
i tried and it worked with integer
actually no it isnt even that that gives the error
graceful basin
Yeah, the object in the queue shouldn't be making a difference
coarse fiber
Yeah, the object in the queue shouldn't be making a difference
yeap i got the error, thanks a lot bro
rough sapphire
there is a way in neovim in what i can delete the current word? the equivalent to ctrl + del
young shoal
diw
young shoal
dw deletes to the start of the next word which would only work if you're on the first char of the current word
grave cove
yeah
young shoal
I've never seen that
grave cove
ctrl del deletes to the end of the word, if your cursor is in the middle
graceful basin
delete to end of word
rather than to start of next word
IOW it keeps the leading space
rough sapphire
actually, I think ctrl+del is closer to `de`
is funny because it deletes the words next to the current position
the opossitive to ctrl + del
but thanks, ill be using it haha
young shoal
use diw
rough sapphire
use `diw`
hey one question java guy, do you use the command :tabe? for new tabs? someone told me that's a bad practice and it's inefficent
young shoal
if i wanted to make a new tab, that's what i would do
rough sapphire
thanks java guy
glossy niche
your quack shouldnt rabbit tho
rough sapphire
your cat shouldnt be sad tho
glossy niche
or should it
lament cairn
y
lament cairn
Why she do that
fair summit
My rabbit what?
eternal depot
@reef geyser I saw a photo that reminded me of you
Since you're programmed with a seeming affinity towards ponies
reef geyser
I have gained an affinity for ponies by growing up with the show
I am not programmed with anything
eternal depot
Right. Your natural language model has been trained with a lot of pony material got it.
stiff siren
Why do people hit the gym? Assault is NOT funny. @eternal depot
reef geyser
If homeless people allegedly squat everywhere, you'd think they'd all have really well-defined legs at this point.
jovial oriole
Why do people hit the gym? Assault is NOT funny. <@364942240021348352>
based ?
grave cove
I have gained an affinity for ponies by growing up with ***the show***
I am not ...
i swear if you start saying anypony in regular speech
reef geyser
i swear if you start saying anypony in regular speech
I said I like the show, I didn't say I was cringe
unless well, liking the show is cringe
which isn't necessarily fair, but alright
grave cove
yeah me and my sister watched it a fair bit
reef geyser
mostly me and my cousin back when episodes were still coming out
my little sister and I sometimes watch it if it happens to be on
grave cove
was very nice show! these days I don't watch stuff in general
Think I prefer actively doing stuff more nowadays
reef geyser
yeahhh, plus I don't think shows coming out now capture me the same
grave cove
might just be growing up sadly
reef geyser
it is what it is
as long as we can still find entertainment somewhere, it'll be okay
suddenly browsing guitar interfaces
didn't realize they just make USB ends for these now
figured I'd need the actual box
grave cove
you do electric guitaring?
grave cove
based
reef geyser
a little bit
I haven't had the opportunity to play for a few months now
I probably sound shit now lmao
reef geyser
a very unflattering otn name, but an otn name it is
rough sapphire
i love blackjack
wraith hound
i swear if you start saying anypony in regular speech
I love this word
MLP is great
rough sapphire
XD
reef geyser
I love this word
be for real
wraith hound
i'm not kidding
reef geyser
wraith hound
pony, body, what's the difference
reef geyser
one refers to a specific species
the other is species-invariant
reef geyser
WE LITERALLY DID THIS WITH THE ZECORA EPISODE
THESE PONIES ARE JUST SO INSENSITIVE 
anyway
wraith hound
I don't actually remember anything
The last time I watched MLP was my last trip to the dentist's office
reef geyser
lol
wraith hound
And years before that
carmine apex
I don't actually remember anything
your name is dawn. you are a cat. this is python discord, where you are a mod
reef geyser
imagine learning a lesson on friendship while getting your wisdom teeth removed
rough sapphire
hey mods
wraith hound
your name is dawn. you are a cat. this is python discord, where you are a mod
meow.
low chasm
@reef geyser what's this about a gambling problem
reef geyser
@carmine apex I think you gave the wrong prompt mate
royal lakeBOT
reef geyser
<@118775258260963331> what's this about a gambling problem
look, I just play poker sometimes
low chasm
suuure
reef geyser
and (maybe) go all in on 2200 dollars
don't worry I won
(I lost it afterwards, this other fucker had a full house)
low chasm
gambling moment
carmine apex
can't read, yet is mod. why am i not surprised
eternal depot
look, I just play poker *sometimes*
You really are a bot of many talents
jovial oriole
1 month into school, havent finished 1 whole homework assignment once
For math specifically
rough sapphire
rip
rough sapphire
well its practice
dont do it
you're welcome
goodnight
Differentiation is fun
reef geyser
You really are a bot of many talents
jovial oriole
Differentiation is fun
Do you use linux
rough sapphire
Do you use linux
Yes
jovial oriole
I am starting to see a pattern
rough sapphire
Why do you ask?
eternal depot
<:shut:779717298981830656>
Just be careful... if you lose too much of Stel's money he's gunna refactor you
rough sapphire
Linux is just 10x more convenient than Windows
jovial oriole
Keep speaking
rough sapphire
specifically for programming
reef geyser
Just be careful... if you lose too much of Stel's money he's gunna refactor you
I'll refactor you six feet under
jovial oriole
My suspicions have been confirmed
jovial oriole
Do you have sandwichs in ziploc bags for lunch
rough sapphire
LOL
Like Windows and OSX support 2TB of RAM, Linux supports 256TB somehow
mf you do not have 256TB of ram
nope
It'd cost around 5m usd
"linux is more convenient for me cuz it support 256tb of ram"
It also is way faster
and smaller
i agree, i also love BASH scripting
Windows takes 20 gb system files, OSX takes 80 gb for some reason, and Linux takes like 3 gb
whats OSX
mac?
unix mac?
Mac OSX
Unix is BSD
mac is unix kind of
nope
:(
Linux is UNIX based, OSX is not
what is OSX
stark oasis
Its "posix compliant"
rough sapphire
The operating system mac uses
wicked haven
Linux is UNIX based, OSX is not
Darwin is UNIX based
rough sapphire
Its "posix compliant"
i see
guys im not crazy... i swear mac is unix based
OSX uses the XNU kernel, based on the Mach kernel
But XNU took some inspiration from BSD
XNU stands for what
It's not based on it tho
solar hazel
Linux is UNIX based, OSX is not
Linux is UNIX like not UNIX based.
rough sapphire
XNU stands for what
X is Not UNIX
rough sapphire
Linux is UNIX like not UNIX based.
You're wrong there
They have the exact same standards, the same structure, and the kernel was based on it
thick ore
GNU/Linux smh
rough sapphire
imagine being such a good OS that you make other OS's seethe
wicked haven
They have the exact same standards, the same structure, and the kernel was based...
Linux was heavily inspired by MINIX
solar hazel
They have the exact same standards, the same structure, and the kernel was based...
so it's both unix-like and unix-based
but it's not a certified unix based
rough sapphire
why's everyone gotta be "Not Unix"
To differentiate them from UNIX distros bc UNIX was the first OS
And at the time there wasn't anything else
wicked haven
UNIX was the first popular OS. Not the first OS. There were a few smaller ones before that IIRC
rough sapphire
this guy is resourceful
oh yeah and LINUX stands for Lovable Intellect Not Using XP to differentiate from windows
uhm??? NO
WRONG
rough sapphire
UNIX was the first popular OS. Not the first OS. There were a few smaller ones b...
True
it was initially gonna be named FREAX (cuz only a FREAK would use smth other than unix) but then it changed to linux
wicked haven
oh yeah and LINUX stands for Lovable Intellect Not Using XP to differentiate fro...
Linux is a mispelling of Linus on one of Linus's friend's FTP server
rough sapphire
im resourceful too ๐ง
reef geyser
lee nucks
rough sapphire
what is FTP?
reef geyser
file transfer protocol
wicked haven
what is FTP?
File Transfer Protocol
rough sapphire
thx
rough sapphire
oh yeah and LINUX stands for Lovable Intellect Not Using XP to differentiate fro...
and unfortunately WINDOWS stands for Wide Interactive Network Development for Office Work Solution
is this info true ๐ญ
yes unfortunately
i feel like they came up with the name THEN chose those words for each letter
Who knows
and UNIX (also UNICS apparently) means UNiplexed Information Computing System
i thought it was computer services
your wikipedia is broken
carmine apex
In 1970, the group coined the name Unics for Uniplexed Information and Computing Service as a pun on Multics, which stood for Multiplexed Information and Computer Services. Brian Kernighan takes credit for the idea, but adds that "no one can remember" the origin of the final spelling Unix.
rough sapphire
is this info true ๐ญ
jk only XNU and UNIX are actually acronyms
spreading misinformation
yep
i lost all the respect i had for you
naive igloo
Linux is a mispelling of Linus on one of Linus's friend's FTP server
hm, i thought it was for "Linus' UNIX"
rich karma
linux is more convenient than windows for someone who's comfortable with both os's
rough sapphire
hm, i thought it was for "Linus' UNIX"
it is
jovial oriole
expire andrew in 2 minutes
Is andrew expired
thick ore
probably ๐ RIP my mans Andrew ๐๏ธ (2 minutes ago-now)
rich karma
[.](https://github.com/redis/redis-om-python/blob/main/docs/getting_started.md#e...
i'm thinking about switching to this for all r/w data operations
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7WFwgDRStM
wether on ram or on disk, whether key value or attribute based
solemn tulip
Linux is UNIX based, OSX is not
that's the complete wrong way around
fleet goblet
Hey.. quick doubt.
JBL 770nc vs Sony 720n? and why?
thick ore
buy both and see ๐
fleet goblet
~~buy both and see ๐~~
too broke to do that
thick ore
people on reddit seem to like the 770nc's
so... there's that, i guess
>I haven't used the jbl but I have been using the 720ns for just over a month. And don't have any complaints they sound like sony headphones and anc is good enough to block bus and gym noise. They seem to go on sale alot don't pay full price
coarse fiber
any idea why this just re-writes everything on the same line?
f = open("result.txt", 'w')
f.write(str(gameState.getPacmanPosition()))
f.write("\n")
it works fine if i change it to append, but the problem there is that the file doenst get cleared automatically
ruby fox
any idea why this just re-writes everything on the same line?
```js
f = open("re...
"w" mode overwrites the file from the beginning of the file
coarse fiber
so i cant write on a new line?
ruby fox
so i cant write on a new line?
You can use append, or seek() to change the position of file cursor
coarse fiber
You can use append, or seek() to change the position of file cursor
with append the file doesnt get cleared
ruby fox
with append the file doesnt get cleared
What is the functionality you are trying to implement?
coarse fiber
the print position is actually in a for loop
i just want it to print all position on a new line
when program is restarted i want the previous text to be deleted
solemn tulip
you're not re-opening the file in the loop, are you?
if so that would explain why you're just overwriting over and over
ruby fox
when program is restarted i want the previous text to be deleted
Then use: open("filename","w").close()
For deleting the content
coarse fiber
for action in actions:
f.write(str(gameState.getPacmanPosition()))
f.write("\n")
this is in the for loop
ruby fox
And open the file in append mode after clearing the contents
solemn tulip
that shouldn't matter, should it?
w will clear
so if the file is opened once only and you write everything all the lines will be there
ruby fox
# clear
open("results.txt","w+").close()
#append mode
f= open("results.txt","a+")
for action in actions: f.write(str(gameState.getPacmanPosition()))
f.write("\n")
Something like this
coarse fiber
```py
# clear
open("results.txt","w+").close()
#append mode
f= open("results.t...
its still all in one line
i mean re-writes the one line
solemn tulip
!e moment of truth, does the eval command allow me to create files?
def file_contents():
with open('/tmp/file', 'r') as f:
print(f.read())
with open('/tmp/file', 'w') as f:
f.write('blah')
f.write('\n')
file_contents()
with open('/tmp/file', 'w') as f:
f.write('a')
f.write('\n')
f.write('b')
f.write('\n')
f.write('c')
f.write('\n')
file_contents()
@solemn tulip :x: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 1.
001 | Traceback (most recent call last):
002 | File "/home/main.py", line 6, in <module>
003 | with open('/tmp/file', 'w') as f:
004 | ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
005 | FileNotFoundError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/tmp/file'
apparently not
ruby fox
Hmmm
solemn tulip
added an additional print for context, but
> python a.py
After first write
blah
After second write
a
b
c
works fine
so something in the code isn't as described
coarse fiber
uhmm
ruby fox
!e
# clear
open("results.txt","w+").close()
#append mode
f= open("results.txt","a+")
for action in range(6):
f.write("heelo")
f.write("\n")
f.seek(0)
print(f.read())
Something like this
royal lakeBOT
@ruby fox :white_check_mark: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 0.
001 | heelo
002 | heelo
003 | heelo
004 | heelo
005 | heelo
006 | heelo
results.txt
https://paste.pythondiscord.com/Y4576PCVAK433CR6RAK2IWXYXI
ruby fox
Hmm it's okay ig
coarse fiber
is there a way tot check if its not open, then open it?
ruby fox
there should be zero need to clear
Ah, it's always 0 for w
coarse fiber
w does that
a doesnt
solemn tulip
is there a way tot check if its not open, then open it?
what's the actual issue?
solemn tulip
so yeah, just open once with w and things should be fine then?
coarse fiber
the thing is some other class needs to keep calling my function
is there a way to open the file only if it hasnt been opened already?
okay i fixed it, i think
solemn tulip
figure out a way to have the file be opened just once instead
like, something should have "ownership" over that file
maybe what's currently a function should be a class
meager sphinx
figure out a way to have the file be opened just once instead
ayy, nice pfp
coarse fiber
okay thanks
solemn tulip
ayy, nice pfp
a bit more fiery than usual
meager sphinx
was wondering why my laptop was running hot
ruby fox
was wondering why my laptop was running hot
๐คจ you are trying something huh
naive tundra
@frozen crane he gifted me 2 months of the 10$ nitro lol
frozen crane
<@253696366952316929> he gifted me 2 months of the 10$ nitro lol
now you can shitpost lemojis in all your other servers
naive tundra
now you can shitpost lemojis in all your other servers
||I am totally in other servers||
frozen crane
||I am totally in other servers||
you can shitpost lemojis in DMs, idk
naive tundra
Im trying to figure out how to use the new theme thing
@frozen crane
Sound like a deal?```
OMG
high haven
<@253696366952316929> he gifted me 2 months of the 10$ nitro lol
congrats 
naive tundra
thank you
high haven
@low chasm this is my vibe this weekend https://open.spotify.com/playlist/37i9dQZF1E8Os5o7PjLqeT?si=50d33d5d8cbc4e4d
who has to work today. maybe me, maybe not me. 
jaunty wraith
who has to work today. maybe me, maybe not me. <a:Running:955778347214962688>
working on a Sunday?
do you at least get overtime or something similar?
I'm not sure whether compensatory day off is a thing wherever you are
high haven
I'm not sure whether compensatory day off is a thing wherever you are
technically i can take off extra time later but like
im really bad about this 
jaunty wraith
smh
spare oriole
luna's programmed to gamble? TIL
thick osprey
im really bad about this <:ClownTurtle:914567683348000788>
learn to be better at it. Super valuable skill.
high haven
learn to be better at it. Super valuable skill.
preocts help me
i think i have a problem
thick osprey
Gonna make me play tweanty questions to figure your problem out or can you throw me a bone here? haha
Other than apparently giving your company free time, what's up?
low chasm
<@416345453530054657> this is my vibe this weekend https://open.spotify.com/play...
ooh
I'll take a listen later
high haven
my problem is i need to get better at drawing boundaries between work and personal life
high haven
I'll take a listen later
you dont have to. its just my vibes today. just fyi
low chasm
still taking a listen later :p
high haven
jaunty wraith
Gonna make me play tweanty questions to figure your problem out or can you throw...
what does an egg do with a bone?
thick osprey
my problem is i need to get better at drawing boundaries between work and person...
Hmmm, that is a problem. The way I've learned to see it the problem is that you think there is a separation between the two. Our work is, at least, a third of our day. Half our waking hours. It's very much part of our personal life.
high haven
Hmmm, that *is* a problem. The way I've learned to see it the problem is that yo...
and then if you consider this over the course of a lifetime...can you imagine how much of our life we give to making stakeholders money?
ugh that sounds sad when its put that way
thick osprey
Work-Life balance. Work-Life Jenga is more accurate.
Once I stopped trying to draw this hard line between the two I realized I was making more work for myself. With everything, including work, in one bucket of my time the task of managing it was easier. I have 24 hours in a day and one lifetime. That's what I get.
Build the habit of N hours go to work. N is constained by your employment contract obligation on one end (minimum) and whatever else you feel like giving it.
thick osprey
Same way you should put N hours of time into, for example, video games.
and N hours into laundry
and N hours into house-cleaning
It's never the same. One week just cleaning the kitchen after the pyrex of beans exploded into a billion glass shared will take two days. The next few weeks it's a couple of minutes becasue the kitchen has never been so clean
But put work in the same bucket. When you're planning a week, make sure work is considered "you" time. Because it is your time.
Thems my thoughts, anyway.
acoustic moss
preocts casually dropping the most banger life advice in ot yet again
jaunty wraith
ugh that sounds sad when its put that way
high haven
It's never the same. One week just cleaning the kitchen after the pyrex of beans...
omg this is the real talk we never knew we needed. thanks preocts
thick osprey
I was watching a talk the other day and the speaker said something that hit me so hard my chest still hurts. They were talking about their manager saying "You don't get enough recognition". His reply was "Well, sure. But keep in mind I like the type of recognition I can deposit into my bank account".
Never forget why you're trading your time to a company.
high haven
thick osprey
I miss that glass dutch oven. It was a 5 qt, almost as old as me, and my god did it explode. Practically sand mixed in with 5 quarts of bean water and beans.
jaunty wraith
I was watching a talk the other day and the speaker said something that hit me s...
(being pedantic but I feel s/deposit into/withdraw from could be better)
high haven
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYvhC_RdIwQ
that ending omg ๐
thick osprey
(being pedantic but I feel `s/deposit into/withdraw from` could be better)
I hear you.
high haven
not the zoom call with everyone's cameras off
theres like 20 people too
๐
classic
young shoal
engineers moment
thick osprey
My camera is always on. 
high haven
spooky
thick osprey
spoooooooooooooooooky
high haven
My camera is always on. <:lemon_eyes:754441879885447296>
mine is only on with the people i like
i mean what
thick osprey
spoooooooooooooooooky
My single contribution to the code base hard at work.
jaunty wraith
mine is only on with the people i like
unironically yes
thick osprey
umm... how are we only 22 days from NaNoWriMo already?! 
vale raven
Wait
Did the acronym get longer?
austere summit
@thick osprey I'm looking forward to my ... eighth(?) attempt starting nnwm and dropping out by day three.
jaunty wraith
National Novel Writing Month
vale raven
I swear
Every year they just add a couple letters and hope we won't notice
thick osprey
I swear
Every year they just add a couple letters and hope we won't notice
that's how books are written too
meta
jaunty wraith
umm... how are we only 22 days from NaNoWriMo already?! <:lemon_scared:754441881...
did you complete last year's?
thick osprey
<@123151368885239809> I'm looking forward to my ... eighth(?) attempt starting n...
Aim for four days!
thick osprey
did you complete last year's?
Yup! Hit the challenge goal. Haven't finished the book though.
I'm still figuring out how to... you know... actually finish something into a publishable state.
It's like being able to write the code, pass the tests, everything works, and then you just fall face-first into the mud with no idea how to make it deployable.
jaunty wraith
Yup! Hit the challenge goal. Haven't finished the book though.
steady progress is so satistfying to see 
thick osprey
steady progress is so satistfying to see <:lemon_hyperpleased:754441879822663811...
There's a few little dips and spikes in there but yeah, I aim for ~2k words a day.
young shoal
My camera is always on. <:lemon_eyes:754441879885447296>
at work it's always engineers cam off, everyone else cam on
thick osprey
Fix your engineers.
young shoal
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
vale raven
Death to cameras!
thick osprey
My VP called me, camera off.
Him: "Oh, I figured you were on vacation without a camera"
Me: "That's fine, I'll wait for you to turn yours on."
vale raven
Why does it matter?
thick osprey
I don't give people the excuse of "Oh remotes are difficult to work with because I never see them".
vale raven
I just leave mine off, and if the other person has theirs' on, I'll flip mine on too
thick osprey
This year will be the year I hit this achievement. I've always missed this one.
vale raven
I don't give people the excuse of "Oh remotes are difficult to work with because...
eh
Don't... what would you call it? "let them win"
That's dumb
Seeing someone in person doesn't help you type on a computer seperatly better
Fix the person saying they can't work because they can't have it their way
(no offence)
jaunty wraith
This year will be the year I hit this achievement. I've always missed this one.
1667 is a weirdly specific number 
thick osprey
!e
print(50_000 / 30)
@thick osprey :white_check_mark: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 0.
1666.6666666666667
1/6th of 10000, duh
jaunty wraith
tbf, I'm bad at math
thick osprey
eh
Don't... what would you call it? "let them win"
That's dumb
Seeing someone in...
Visual connection is, however, a huge factor in the majority of social interactions. Impairments excluded. One of the larger weapons used against remote work is "we just don't feel connected". Well, I agree. Talking to a black screen doesn't have the impact that talking to a video does. So I always have my camera on at work and I will, actively aggressively, encourage others to do the same in any meeting I'm in.
rich karma
<:kekHands:948697940711587900>
pepe meets kek. now that's a crossover i can cheer for
high haven
Wait
Did the acronym get longer?
no?
high haven
at work it's always engineers cam off, everyone else cam on
its funny bc its usually opposite where im at
but very team dependent
high haven
pepe meets kek. now that's a crossover i can cheer for
ikr. its one of my faves. i spam it too often
shell raptor
On Ubuntu 22, how do I figure out which command this shortcut runs in "Show Applications"?
foggy jungle
is this weekend also a hw weekend
Every weekend is a homework weekend on self paced courses 
undone thorn
Only if you're responsible
foggy jungle
I don't have the self control not to just sit down and do an entire course in a few sittings.
Thank you anxiety 
undone thorn
That is the best fucking feeling
Finishing the final project on the second week of the class
foggy jungle
That is the best fucking feeling
Well it's great but that was my first class of a 2 year program that I just knocked out in 1 week. Which would again, be exceptional, but we'll see how long my motivation holds before that desire to 'do everything now' overwhelms me lol
undone thorn
Let the violent productive urges consume you ๐ซด ๐ฅ
foggy jungle
Yeah my intention is to try and... at least let that motivation carry me towards a fast course completion, and then schedule my tests out in a manner that gives me a bit of a break to decompress.
So I get time to study/exist in between the course completion and the test itself prior to starting another course.
undone thorn
Only real issue with binging class work is that you probably won't retain the information as well
So easy to cram ten Quizlets worth of info into your head for a week or two, then it slowly drains out of your ear while you sleep
high haven
Every weekend is a homework weekend on self paced courses <a:dissolve:8268511462...
bro, you tell me if im wrong, but i feel like there is no week/weekend divide for you
foggy jungle
bro, you tell me if im wrong, but i feel like there is no week/weekend divide fo...
I have no real concept of time.
foggy jungle
Only real issue with binging class work is that you probably won't retain the in...
I'm pretty interested in the field I'm studying, and I can go on to apply it in pretty tactile ways almost immediately, so the saving grace is that a lot of this is stuff that I'm doing in my free time anyway. Which helps solidify concepts.
undone thorn
True, I think we both have the same career goals afaik
But you have your nonprofit which is huge on a resume
high haven
So I get time to study/exist in between the course completion and the test itsel...
this seems like a good plan
taking some time off after a course
foggy jungle
True, I think we both have the same career goals afaik
I'm pretty stoked that I'm learning concepts that I actually... know I guess? That sounds weird. I didn't care much for school when I was younger-- I didn't struggle, but I just didn't care about what I was learning.
Now, seeing something I am familiar with already in a lesson kinda' gets me gassed up.
high haven
i would just like to exist tbh
imagine existing
undone thorn
Nah I relate to that a lot
grave cove
isn't the point to learn stuff you don't know already
seeing stuff i already know in classes feels demotivating to me
undone thorn
I fucking despised math until I started learning ML, then calculus and linalg were like a wonderland
jaunty wraith
past rex
grave cove
undone thorn
isn't the point to learn stuff you don't know already
I think it's the distinction between knowing how what you are learning applies, and just learning in a vacuum knowing that it maybe applies or maybe not
grave cove
also i dig the new picture rex
high haven
thanks thanks. gotta welcome the spooky season in
grave cove
I think it's the distinction between knowing how what you are learning applies, ...
yeah, i suppose that's true. though it's harder with a traditional CS degree education methinks
foggy jungle
I fucking despised math until I started learning ML, then calculus and linalg we...
I don't think you'll ever find me doing any complex math unless absolutely necessary. I'm focusing largely on redteaming and whatnot in my course completion. I don't really care to be a penntester or anything, I just think they're more complex domains of knowledge than basic blue-teaming, and I think that having a comprehensive understanding of redteaming requires understanding blue teaming, so it's kinda' hard to... learn one without the other.
grave cove
sounds boring. why would you want to test pens all day?
undone thorn
I love the click sounds they make 
grave cove
based
foggy jungle
I'm not saying I wouldn't take a penntesting job if it came up. But I'm geared more towards detection engineering/reverse engineering.
Also conveniently got my ass kicked by the reverse engineering module. 
high haven
also i dig the new picture rex
spooky robin when. need more halloween vibes going
jaunty wraith
penn testing where you test Pennsylvania
grave cove
spooky robin when. need more halloween vibes going
i don't think adding a pumpkin to my name is gonna cut it ๐ญ
undone thorn
Reverse engineering is a whole beast of a subfield bro. Some of that stuff gets too heady for me.
grave cove
i can't find spooky birds
jaunty wraith
i can't find spooky birds
ask midjourney
high haven
i don't think adding a pumpkin to my name is gonna cut it ๐ญ
you never know until you try
i mean look at me
high haven
ask midjourney
did you know dalle 3 is now here
and meets SoTA midjourney
also its better at picking up text prompts
grave cove
ask midjourney
yeah i might try that
jaunty wraith
here? localized entirely within ot1?
high haven
here? localized entirely within ot1?
dalle-3 bot when
high haven
also its better at picking up text prompts
for the lurkers: https://openai.com/dall-e-3
jaunty wraith
probably can be something in lancebot if they have a public API
high haven
probably can be something in lancebot if they have a public API
imagine the cost 
rugged owl
for the lurkers: https://openai.com/dall-e-3
jaunty wraith
imagine the cost <:take_my_money:793695047781842976>
FREE public API
undone thorn
I always thought this was gonna be dope for cheating on interview questions
jaunty wraith
continued eye contact feels so unsettling
jaunty wraith
for the lurkers: https://openai.com/dall-e-3
DALLยทE 3 is now in research preview, and will be available to ChatGPT Plus and Enterprise customers in October, via the API and in Labs later this fall.
liar. it's only here If you can afford it
jaunty wraith
I see you sg
high haven
> DALLยทE 3 is now in research preview, and will be available to ChatGPT Plus and...
actually bing image creator is currently using dalle 3 https://www.bing.com/create
this is technically free
you just have a limit
- you have to have a microsoft account
jaunty wraith
yeah, plus you'd have to use bing
jaunty wraith
ic
high haven
jaunty wraith
sleb now
jaunty wraith
good [time of day] rex
high haven
omg not a hadoop podcast https://spotify.link/fjwK4orSJDb
literally on this legacy software series
foggy jungle
Hadoop there it is.
grave cove
omg not a hadoop podcast https://spotify.link/fjwK4orSJDb
Rex do you know of any good system architecturing/design podcasts ๐ฅบ
high haven
Rex do you know of any good system architecturing/design podcasts ๐ฅบ
besides the aws well architected series? i only have ones for ml/data systems. nothing for pure software system design/architectures.
if you find a good one with this topic, lmk
ill add it to the rotation
young shoal
just read books?
high haven
books are good
grave cove
ain't nobody got time to read books
high haven
but you do
grave cove
source?
grave cove
but muh podcasts while doing other stuff ๐ญ
young shoal
meh
grave cove
leaked
high haven
but muh podcasts while doing other stuff ๐ญ
wait i thought you didnt listen to podcasts
grave cove
nah, I do audiobooks but it's like the same thing
I like listening to stuff that's not music while doing stuffs
high haven
if you find a good one with this topic, lmk
wait no but for real im serious about this
ill be waiting for you robin
grave cove
yeah I'll do some digging ๐
young shoal
๐ฉ
carmine apex
wha, all these pfp changes throwing me off
hasn't yours changed as well
carmine apex
uh huh
high haven
wha, all these pfp changes throwing me off
||good||
high haven
pick a dif one?
grave cove
haha stupid
high haven
honestly dont know how that happened to him
young shoal
gpu with sad temperature controls?
high haven
my friend said control net is used
for existing images
idk if he means this repo or stuff built on top of this but here you go: https://github.com/lllyasviel/ControlNet
young shoal
ic
high haven
im sure theres tools built on top that make it easier
young shoal
i think i need to go the manual route
high haven
lame
young shoal
i'm kinda bad at prompting it seems
rugged owl
i'm kinda bad at prompting it seems
young shoal
what
grave cove
i'm kinda bad at prompting it seems
L prompt engineer
foggy jungle
high haven
high haven
i'm kinda bad at prompting it seems
it happens. on one of the podcasts today, the 2nd host bashed the other host on how bad their prompt was that they fed to chatgpt
literal chatgpt coaching sesh
young shoal
๐
high haven
anyway if you actually care: https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/azure/ai-services/openai/concepts/prompt-engineering
oh and this one is for @foggy jungle https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/azure/ai-services/openai/concepts/red-teaming
anyway
grave cove
anyway if you actually care: https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/azure/ai-services...
no way microsoft actually used the term "prompt engineering"
high haven
can you tell i had to work with azure recently
vale raven
Azure is great
You shut your face
grave cove
so cringe
high haven
Azure is great
You shut your face
its great. too bad we dont have support for it
like we have a whole aws team
like devops team
vale raven
Why are you multicloud?
high haven
to help
vale raven
Multicloud is sad
high haven
Why are you multicloud?
this is my question
grave cove
smallest AWS team
high haven
that is the average reality of most average companies
high haven
rex when big tech?
when? ||not in this lifetime if i can help it||
grave cove
y not
high haven
the question is, why?
high haven
nah if i wanted monies, i wouldve stayed in my original career path
grave cove
grug like when many shiney rocks
foggy jungle
oh and this one is for <@227921192772698114> https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/a...
banned for linking red teaming materials. Later skiddo. || /s ||
high haven
grave cove
we need another big cloud provider like AWS and azure to complete the triumvirate
high haven
gcp
grave cove
aint nobody care about gcp
grave cove
gcp fell off ๐
github might have a good shot at one methinks
they can be the new gcp
github cloud platform
vale raven
github might have a good shot at one methinks
wat
grave cove
you heard me
vale raven
Microsoft literally owns GitHub
grave cove
sadge
vale raven
grave cove
i had the most original idea ever
what if
we made our own cloud service platform
but used aws
vale raven
What, like how Elastic Cloud resells compute from the big three?
grave cove
What, like how Elastic Cloud resells compute from the big three?
of course. but we'll just do it better
vale raven
๐คจ
high haven
inb4 reality of future data analysts
hey cloudflare handles a lot of workloads
we always forget cloudflare
they have a great tech blog btw
lament cairn
we always forget cloudflare
nah cloudflare bad
solemn tulip
sadge
gcp has the benefit of existing
||but from your sass I suspect that's about it||
grizzled thistle
guys you have channel i want to learn administration control for my work im currently in computer laboratory assigned im freshment i want to learn basic role of an admin please can someone help me?
young shoal
her head is close to the top of the photo already, so trying to add hats is a bit scuffed
same with the christmas hat thing
high haven
makes sense
young shoal
i could make it more centered but the shoulders are very important to convey the emotions yk
high haven
ikyk
lament cairn
foggy jungle
are you the previous snow leopard enthusiast?
I do not recall their name, but the snow leopard posting made me happy.
lament cairn
i am
foggy jungle
Excellent, welcome (back?)
lament cairn
i left this server a few motnhs ago while cleaning up my server list
foggy jungle
lament cairn
Excellent, welcome (back?)
have two
or... multiple
i didnt actually watch the video past the 10 sec mark. i saw snow leopard and just downloaded it. wow thats a lot of kitty
foggy jungle
if not fren y fren shape
grave cove
shapeshifter
jovial oriole
Chat, is it morally correct to polarize the masses, spread hatred amongst your bretheren for differences that allow us to exist differently and spill bloodshed to our ankles.
crystal spruce
if it's linear polarization then no, but if you're circularly polarizing them i think that's acceptable
high haven
chat, why do i feel like a frontend javascript engineer now? i blink and more ai stuff is constantly coming out.
undone thorn
๐ oh God you poor soul
high haven
is this how js developers feel when new js libraries come out
high haven
๐ oh God you poor soul
literally its like, "which vector database should we use?", "which LLM?", "proprietary or OS?", "should we host our own?", "how do we feel about langchain? - too many abstractions?", "chaining?", "agents?", "could we use Retrieval Augmented Generation for this use case?"
undone thorn
Ah I just read a paper on RAGs today
high haven
link?
i just have a long tech blog from anyscale https://www.anyscale.com/blog/a-comprehensive-guide-for-building-rag-based-llm-applications-part-1
high haven
we find that LLM with 4K context window using simple retrieval-augmentation at generation can achieve comparable performance to finetuned LLM with 16K context window via positional interpolation on long context tasks, while taking much less computation. More importantly, we demonstrate that retrieval can significantly improve the performance of LLMs regardless of their extended context window sizes
interesting
high haven
<https://huggingface.co/docs/transformers/model_doc/rag>
nice nice HF always doing the mostest
grave cove
is this how js developers feel when new js libraries come out
just ignore it
high haven
i saved this thanks
high haven
It's so cool
are you also an ai engineer or just into ai in general
undone thorn
It's just a hobby
high haven
just ignore it
i couldve if i was a js developer
high haven
It's just a hobby
still cool. in the future maybe
grave cove
JS developers ignore new JS frameworks all the time
high haven
JS developers ignore new JS frameworks all the time
yeah i can tell you right now i cant ignore ai stuff
not at all
grave cove
Y not
high haven
robin it changes literally the tech stack we choose for these ai products/features
grave cove
its time to go into web dev rex
high haven
idk how you got that
undone thorn
still cool. in the future maybe
Nahh I have other career goals and I could not possibly sit through school long enough to get a masters lol
grave cove
only with that attitude
undone thorn
Frontend is basically hell imo
high haven
Nahh I have other career goals and I could not possibly sit through school long ...
at this rate, i dont see requiring masters to be an ai engineer. especially with more tooling and infra
undone thorn
And js is superhell
undone thorn
at this rate, i dont see requiring masters to be an ai engineer. especially with...
I would be interested in something like that, so you're an ai engineer?
grave cove
though if I had to do it for a job I'd probably be through and through with it in a month
high haven
it's fun
||sometimes||
if i wanted to redo stuff, i could still do this in ai-land. UX for ai features is def evolving.
thick osprey
js is super fun. Never in my programming experience have I cackled as hard as I did when I saw an empty array be declared, then the fourth index assigned a value, and the damn language was just "Oh, okay, sure."
undone thorn
Lmfao
high haven
I would be interested in something like that, so you're an ai engineer?
basically. i technically am a DS on one team. and then an ai engineer on another team. why am i on 2 teams? thats another question for another day.
undone thorn
Js is definitely fun
grave cove
"Multiply this class by this array for me"
> ok
> 
high haven
also rex I found out mid journey doesn't do free trials anymore
bing image creator
it has dalle 3
thick osprey
{} + [] being 0 while [] + {} being [object Object] does rub me wrong a little.
grave cove
<@432643355634171905> - https://fullstackdeeplearning.com/llm-bootcamp/spring-20...
bruh this is just like a normal chat app
high haven
bruh this is just like a normal chat app
for some things. for some products/features, thats not going to work
undone thorn
basically. i technically am a DS on one team. and then an ai engineer on another...
Well idk if you have the time but I have a gradient descent implementation I've been working on that's giving me some trouble, and I'm not sure if I implemented it wrong or if plain minibatch gd with no momentum can even properly fit mnist handwritten characters. But if you wanted to take a look https://github.com/Tonabrix1/fe0_ml/blob/main/src/optimizers.rs
grave cove
its rustin time
grave cove
`{} + []` being `0` while `[] + {}` being `[object Object]` does rub me wrong a...
Shall I introduce you to rust?
thick osprey
I think that movie would have done better.
undone thorn
It works for 1 sample great, but for more it just dies
Also think the issue might be with my MSE derivative
thick osprey
Shall I introduce you to rust?
We've met. I left that table. OCaml had free cookies at theirs. Rust said I had to borrow theirs.
high haven
Well idk if you have the time but I have a gradient descent implementation I've ...
rust? oh man why would you do this to yourself
grave cove
We've met. I left that table. OCaml had free cookies at theirs. Rust said I had ...
I imagine rust standing over your shoulder and breathing down your neck while you eat the cookie (RAII guard)
thick osprey
I imagine rust standing over your shoulder and breathing down your neck while yo...
I just marked it unique and consumed it.
grave cove
high haven
Well idk if you have the time but I have a gradient descent implementation I've ...
havent implemented stuff like this since grad school in my DL class. this is what we went through while we were learning: https://minitorch.github.io/
gl
the diagrams + documentation were helpful while learning
undone thorn
Ooh good resource, thank you
high haven
ye its good stuff
jaunty wraith
<@432643355634171905> - https://fullstackdeeplearning.com/llm-bootcamp/spring-20...
LUIs, otherwise known as L UIs
thick osprey
Where has this glorious little fact that you can change the pager git uses been all my dev life??
https://github.com/dandavison/delta
glossy niche
interesting, I should try it sometime, ty for sharing
thick ore
i propose a new tech stack: FRR
FastAPI
Redis
React
it's the realest tech stack out there (and it's lit fam)
jaunty wraith
I don't think that's a new stack
also, why Redis?
plush sun
i propose a new tech stack: FRR
FastAPI
Redis
React
For
Real
Real
thick ore
I don't think that's a *new* stack
also, why Redis?
Redis cool obviously
!pip redis-om
royal lakeBOT
solemn tulip
i propose a new tech stack: FRR
FastAPI
Redis
React
sockets
json
str.format
solemn tulip
also allowable
thick ore
FJS stack - "Fuck JS"
jaunty wraith
an object mapper for Redis
Iโฆ don't see the point
thick ore
an object mapper for Redis
Iโฆ don't see the point
see because redis is fast
and the OM is extremely easy to integrate with fastapi
naive igloo
wtf is redis
stark prawn
redis is a ram data store, you can use it for message queues, caches, databases etc
thick ore
RedisMQ
naive igloo
redis is a ram data store, you can use it for message queues, caches, databases ...
so like sqlite in :memory: mode?
jaunty wraith
if you just want a KV store, there are much simpler alternatives
Redis has much more data types than memcached for example
high haven
it even has vector store capabilities
graceful basin
It has quite a few data structures
high haven
for all your ML needs 
jaunty wraith
there's also TiKV ๐
undone stratus
What does adding names at the speed of names even mean?
young shoal
redis has a bunch of fancy things
high haven
https://redisai.io/
oh i was talking about a different module
stark prawn
I prefer RMQ out of the two
crystal spruce
but what about RMQ
ruby fox
import collections ๐ข
stark prawn
but what about RMQ
I understand where your coming from but your points are invalid.
low chasm
where did the third RMQ come from
crystal spruce
there's only two RMQ?
tardy rain
Its all the same RMQ
crystal spruce
it's two separate references to the same object
high haven
RMQ vs RMQ
not this
young shoal
rabbit mq is cool but too low level
though I realize that's a bit strange because I'm using zmq
undone stratus
Python is python.
lament cairn
ptyon
solemn tulip
Python is python.
pyispy
undone thorn
Rust is also python
undone stratus
Iron oxide.
I'm new to python (both the programming language and the discord server)
I'm trying to get 50 messages withot spamming
high haven
I'm trying to get 50 messages withot spamming
just go to py-gen or whatever its called nowadays
undone stratus
Py-gen?
high haven
is it this one #python-discussion
undone stratus
thanks again
undone stratus
(you can tell i dont go there)
bit obvious
high haven
bit obvious
๐ค
young shoal
of course
high haven
of course
My friend is the Head of Data at a place in NY. At some point, he was called in by the CEO and CFO because their quarterly numbers weren't adding up.
They spent 3-4 days really going into the deep end trying to figure this out.
Turns out, someone had just aggregated Canadian dollars and US dollars on the marketing side, and on the finance side, they had done the conversion from Canadian dollars to US dollars appropriately.
young shoal
i'm always receptive to your podcast prodding
high haven
young shoal
how do you mess that up though
high haven
no semantic layer or shared definition between dif depts
analyst in one dept vs. another dept creating dif sql queries
its a classic problem
young shoal
๐
high haven
in this space
jaunty wraith
you'd think people would know how to solve this
young shoal
how do you not know that canadian dollars are different smh
high haven
i mean what if the column/field name was just sales_in_dollars
and you needed to find a separate table to join for location or something
before converting
but you didnt even know that table existed
who knows
theres all sorts of things
young shoal
๐
reportedly my company's product has over a thousand tables. meanwhile i'm dying trying to work with like 30
high haven
thats typical
even our branch product that our vertical works with the most has like
200-300 tables
i dont remember
anyway
shared definitions/semantic layers/etc. is def a problem in the data space
young shoal
can i learn about this in FoDE
high haven
dbt apparently helps address this issue but then you get people creating too many dbt models at a certain scale
high haven
can i learn about this in FoDE
its the Data Management undercurrent:
high haven
interesting. i've never heard of reverse ETL ๐ฉ
you need to send data back into your salesforce, hubspot, etc. application
young shoal
why don't they just call it LTE ๐ค
high haven
they are. theres certain parts of them that are pertinent to data eng
low chasm
its the Data Management undercurrent:
all I know is that this diagram is kind of ugly
low chasm
banned
young shoal
๐ญ
jaunty wraith
it feels like,
this is the main lifecycle you should know about
(and here are some things you will need to know about
dw. it's trivial.)
high haven
jaunty wraith
(jk)
high haven
(but not really)
Security: oops we just had a data leak and you get to lose your job
young shoal
running to your next job, presumably
high haven
.randomcase "its someone elses problem now"
median domeBOT
"itS SOmEoNE else PRoBlEm nOW"
young shoal
so it would seem
young shoal
we had a difference of opinions
jaunty wraith
alright, I'll put that down as not a team player
young shoal
i thought i was a good employee, but they disagreed
minor portal
lol what?
proven ermine
Seems right to me
young shoal
read books
minor portal
read books
is it fine if i don't?
young shoal
no
grave cove
https://youtu.be/aboZctrHfK8?si=eJYNK9yc97Jf8P5B
funny whale computer
proven ermine
The thinker but sea animal
naive igloo
i wonder if this would actually be possible to implement literally
like adding names into a hashset at the speed of names coming in
so if new name comes every 1/2 sec
it would take 1/2 sec to add a name into a hashset
minor portal
no
why?
imma write a novel instead
called:
"the folklore of phoklor"
i started it a few weeks ago
civic pasture
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high haven
im sending you something
civic pasture
Okay
young shoal
๐คจ
high haven
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when they ask you to help build a team
"what do you think this ai team needs"
guess what i said
young shoal
money?
high haven
probably not you
young shoal
D:
high haven
me and the architect talked about the "profile" of the type of person we would want
on this team
on any Generative AI team tbh
young shoal
me and the architect talked about the "profile" of the type of person we would w...
well, what'd you figure out
high haven
if it was a DE position, then maybe
high haven
well, what'd you figure out
i want you to at least guess once and then ill tell you what i said
young shoal
well what kind of profile, technical skills? or was it like, soft skills
high haven
ok imagine you have to hire someone for a team. what kind of person are you going to hire? that type of profile.
young shoal
how am i supposed to know ๐ญ. they need the "T" shaped skills
they need to be a great prompt engineer ๐ค
high haven
how am i supposed to know ๐ญ. they need the "T" shaped skills
which T shaped skills
young shoal
yk the big spike and wide breadth
young shoal
well? you've got me on the edge of my seat
high haven
Hang on, maybe someone else will guess
young shoal
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high haven
this also gives me some time to finish up some loose ends
carmine bane
Coffee man
high haven
Coffee man
anyway
the profile i suggested was a full stack dev into AI
the architect agreed
young shoal
but why
high haven
they need to be more product-focused
too
we dont need infrastructure peeps
at least not atm
because we have to prove this stuff out first before we get more "runway"
aka budget
young shoal
i c
young shoal
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