ot1-perplexing-regexing

[high verge]

do the same enemies get harder as you level up

[long citrus]

Icl last season i was watching games waiting for us to concede so I can turn off the game 😭😭😭

[ionic moth]

no

[high verge]

ic

[long citrus]

I didn't even wanna watch us

It was horrendous

[high verge]

i will dominate all of limgrave when im at 40 vigor

[ionic moth]

defo

[high verge]

and 40 strength

[ionic moth]

did u do stormveil castle yet

[high verge]

hell mo

i walked in there and got ambushed

[ionic moth]

yeah

[rough sapphire]

Yeah everyone knows mc is better and Chelsea boring

[high verge]

never went back in lmfao

[ionic moth]

there's the first main boss there

n there's like

[high verge]

i wanna meet npcs and merhcants

[ionic moth]

a side quest to skip the entrance full of enemies

[high verge]

where

[ionic moth]

merchants are sus

[long citrus]

Did you really just say man city, verified glory hunter

[high verge]

brb imm take out the trash

[ionic moth]

skinny tall guy near gate entrance

[rough sapphire]

Yeah mc 😛

[low wraith]

@high verge just found this when I looked up the issue with you PC not turning off even holding the power and I found this The one chip responsible is that ITE chip. It controls all the power on/off , startup of voltage regulation, sends the power good signal to the supply, etc. Which is on the motherboard, furthermore it says if it's receiving more/less then 5v it can cause issues, I'd say starting with motherboard would be a good start.

[high verge]

??? never seen them

[long citrus]

You dont have ball knowledge

[ionic moth]

mhm

[high verge]

thank you for this.

[rough sapphire]

😭

[high verge]

brb garbage duties

[low wraith]

Then again reading more the guy said this:

Ok so swapping the PSU partially solved the problem...meaning the computer will now properly shutdown after crashing (no hard lockups requiring the switch on the PSU). However, I still get the BSOD intermittently shortly after the OS loads.

So now I need to figure out if it is the a hardware issue with the Mobo or not. RAM tests fine after running memtest overnight continuously. I've reinstalled the lasted drivers from Gigabyte. And no malware detected using 3 different programs. So this just leaves the HD and the GPU...how do I check those?

So I'm not too confident on that now lol

[ionic moth]

imagine not knowing em balls

[long citrus]

When did you start watching footy

[long citrus]

Dfkm 😭😭

[rough sapphire]

Let the gf do it lol.

[high verge]

italia has some good soccer players

[ionic moth]

indeed

like chiesa 💀

[long citrus]

2 things in that msg irratate me

[rough sapphire]

18 years ago

[lethal glacier]

Don't forget the dishes 🗿

[low wraith]

Reading more though he says he swapped his PSU with his son's and his son's computer doesn't have any issues... confusing lol.

[long citrus]

Why you lying for

Who do you support

[ionic moth]

barbie moment

[rough sapphire]

Im 25 bro not lying

[lethal glacier]

I haven't seen barbie movie

I wanna see itt

[ionic moth]

it was pretty aight

[rough sapphire]

No one i dont follow anymore. But it was real madrid

[ionic moth]

n i said that cuz

[long citrus]

@low wraith when I get a laptop I want a set up like this do you know what things I should buy?

[ionic moth]

there's like patriarchy role reversal

[long citrus]

100% verified glory hunter, your probably not even spanish

[low wraith]

Really depends what you want, do you want a separate montior / keyboard & mouse?

[lethal glacier]

I think a mac laptop and it is a wood table with white drawers and a black chair and a hanging monitor so maybe google that 😄

[rough sapphire]

Im not , dont need to be to follow a club :/

[long citrus]

Wdym by separate

[long citrus]

Really are you sure 😭😭

[low wraith]

@high verge Someone just mentioned they're running into that issue when overclocking, maybe you can try underclocking your computer see if that fixes it, not ideal but can help figure out what's wrong.

[long citrus]

I mean why support a Spanish team if you aren't spanish

[lethal glacier]

You like it don't you ?? XD

[rough sapphire]

Why not, better than englis 😛

[low wraith]

Do you want to use the monitor / keyboard and mouse built into the laptop or do you want to have an external monitor / keyboard and mouse?

[ionic moth]

who the fawk uses the trackpad daily

[long citrus]

Can you even name me 15 players of the current real madrid team

[ionic moth]

I'd rather go keyboard only

[long citrus]

Idk I never thought about that

[rough sapphire]

Like i said i dont follow foyball anymore

[long citrus]

When did you stop?

[long citrus]

I really love it 😭

[long citrus]

What would you recommend

[ionic moth]

I'd defo get a wireless mouse

[long citrus]

Already have one

[low wraith]

Honestly without knowing a decent bit about your personal life it's hard to make that decision for you.

[ionic moth]

the and defo not get an external keyboard for a laptop

[long citrus]

Whats the difference between it all being separate and it all being connected?

And what lifestyle is better for both

[ionic moth]

you gonna get carpal tunnel either way

[low wraith]

I'd say start with just the desk/aesthetic things and the laptop and then if you feel a need for a bigger screen and or better keyboard and mouse then upgrade

[ionic moth]

may as well not bother

[long citrus]

I want a monitor thats for sure

[low wraith]

Though getting a mouse to use instead of a trackpad is game changing so I'd atleast get a mouse.

[long citrus]

I have one already

[rough sapphire]

2015 somewhere like that. Only following national matchrs since then

[long citrus]

Can you name the 2015 real madrid team? Without googling?

[rough sapphire]

No. I dont remember that :/

[ionic moth]

I'm imagining like a very neat setup with a macbook n then just one of those budget bright red USB gaming mouses

[long citrus]

Ok

[low wraith]

Really positioning of everything on the desk / distances from screen to keyboard.

[ionic moth]

wait

is it mices

i think the plural is mices

[low wraith]

It's mice I'm pretty sure

mices sounds like double plural.

[long citrus]

I want it basically the same as the picture except the laptop

[ionic moth]

Okey thanks

[long citrus]

Well the general layout of things not the brands of everything

[low wraith]

While this setup is more styled as a gamer you might want something like this:

[ionic moth]

me when em msi private keys are leaked

[low wraith]

Just adapted for that cleaner desk setup you showed lol

[long citrus]

Quick question

Am i meant to connect the keyboard and mouse tor the monitor or to the laptop?

[low wraith]

To the laptop

[ionic moth]

wait i dont understand

why have a monitor and a laptop

[long citrus]

Ok thanks

[low wraith]

This is a little cleaner then the other picture, though still clearly showed in more of a gaming setup

[ionic moth]

r u gonna have a desktop connected to the monjtor

[long citrus]

No

[low wraith]

Laptop connected to a monitor

[ionic moth]

why

laptop screens are pretty fire

[low wraith]

@long citrus Though when you buy a computer make source it has a display output.

[low wraith]

Ehh They're not as comfortable.

[ionic moth]

mh ig

at that point I'd just get a desktop tbh

[long citrus]

Instead of a desktop which isn't portable you use a laptop to power it

[ionic moth]

icy

[low wraith]

If you want to bring your computer with you somewhere it's a lot harder to due with a desktop lol

do*

Idk why I wrote due lmfao

[long citrus]

Anyway bye guys it was lovely chatting with you imma head to bed

[ionic moth]

gn

[low wraith]

kk goodnight.

[ionic moth]

maybe i should sleep too

mhhhmm

[low wraith]

@lethal glacier When is your bf gonna be back 😄

[ionic moth]

fr

tell him to hurry

[lethal glacier]

@high verge

[ionic moth]

don't u live together

just shout at him

[lethal glacier]

I don't wanna walk to the other room

[ionic moth]

oh ok

[lethal glacier]

;-;

[low wraith]

lol

[lethal glacier]

But if I go to him I gonna make him give me attention then xD

[low wraith]

Wait there's two baddies typing?

[ionic moth]

yeah one is me

[low wraith]

Wait sweg have you always had baddie in your name lmfao?

[ionic moth]

yepp

[low wraith]

lol

[lethal glacier]

Cause we baddies uwu

[low wraith]

took me way too long to notice that lol

[ionic moth]

we be baddies

[lethal glacier]

💅 purr

[low wraith]

lol

[ionic moth]

wheres the baddie emoji section

[lethal glacier]

Ah so that's what's he doing

[ionic moth]

yoo he real

[low wraith]

...

[ionic moth]

wait ima look up how to get the cannon of hainma

[high verge]

im on elden ring

[ionic moth]

you good dw

[high verge]

just beat the bandit camp

[ionic moth]

did u get the talisman

in the like

underground room

[high verge]

🗿...

what room

i just visited a site of grace bro

oh no

[ionic moth]

LMAOOOOOOO

there's like

an underground's room

[high verge]

u mean at gateskeep?

[ionic moth]

if u look from the site of grace it's on the right

[ionic moth]

ye

between the camp

[high verge]

oh ya i been got it

[ionic moth]

oh

[high verge]

wait what

[ionic moth]

there's like a turtle talisman in that room

it's an equip that lowers stamina consumption

[high verge]

the camp i finished rn was full of horse riders

cavalry men

[ionic moth]

huh

is it likd

the camp near where you got horse?

[high verge]

no thats the ruins gateskeep

[ionic moth]

ohh

mb

[high verge]

the camo i raided rn was surrounded by like wooden posts

[ionic moth]

then this one has the room with the talisman

[high verge]

it didnt tho jt only had ashes of war

inside the chest

[ionic moth]

ah

idk i may be trippin hard

[high verge]

can you fly in elden ring

[ionic moth]

nop

horse is the fastest you'll get

there's like an ash of war that lets you roll kinda like sonic tho

btw

ima go to sleep

ciao

[low wraith]

@high verge Do you know what motherboard your computer has

the one with the crashing issue?

[lethal glacier]

I thinks

Me thinks it's a

G6 50 M

[low wraith]

Also when it crashes does the monitor say "No input" or something along those lines?

[low wraith]

Tyy

[ionic moth]

actually before i sleep

[high verge]

b650m by gigabyte

[ionic moth]

@high verge look for the uchigatana

[low wraith]

... nothing pops up on google liar

[low wraith]

ty

lol

[ionic moth]

it's a pretty broken weapon

n like

[lethal glacier]

GOODNIGHT

[ionic moth]

causes of bleed damage

[ionic moth]

b-but we gotta slay em dragons :(

[lethal glacier]

He literally saids that 😖

[low wraith]

lol

[lethal glacier]

If you don't sleep ..

[ionic moth]

lowkey

also if you tp to caelid with the uchigatana there's like a big ass dragon that gives you 90k runes

you can't kill it without bleed cause it got too much hp

[lethal glacier]

I go play genshin

[ionic moth]

and bleed does damage health % based

[ionic moth]

cya

[low wraith]

Yeah that's the ite chip so it does have one, I'll try to look into how the forced power off works assuming it's somewhat documented

(Not asking you to now, enjoy your game.) But on the computer that has the issues I'd download hwmonitor and check the voltages, make sure they seem normalish.

btw everything under the +12V is most likely going to be different

[high verge]

damn bro i really suck at this game

i died to margit bc i fell off the cliff

[ionic moth]

magrit is a major road block for new players

[high verge]

i can get him down to 40% hp

[ionic moth]

nice

[low wraith]

The VBAT sensor monitors voltage from the CMOS battery, a coin-sized battery on the baseboard. An error is logged in the Event Log if the voltage drops below the threshold in the Sensor Data Record (SDR) file
If I understand what it is saying correctly if there's a power issue it would log it to a event log, not sure where that would be accessable though.

[high verge]

UFCK I GOT HIM DOWN TO 10% HP

[ionic moth]

nice

what lvl r u

[high verge]

12

i think

[low wraith]

With that, it defines a power failure as VCC falls to 2.6V and SLP_S3# keeps at VIH 2.0V and vcc is 3.3volts, though a standard 24 pin motherboard (which the b650m has) does have 4 3.3v pins, so assuming it's being directly driven from that and not a regulator/voltage divider on the motherboard it probably would say enough.

[ionic moth]

almost beating magrit at lv 12 is crazy

[high verge]

tactics really

i just summon the wolf pack at the start and let them distract him

once im all alone i struggle so much tho

[high verge]

oh, the event log. i can access it but theres no record of voltage issues

[high verge]

thats my starter weapon

[ionic moth]

oh so u alr got the summon from best girl

[low wraith]

Yeah I realized a few minutes ago I believe I misinterpreted that, I think it was saying if the voltage of the CMOS battery drops it logs it, which would be independent of that chip.

[high verge]

wym

[ionic moth]

the wolves

u get em from blue girl

[high verge]

oh, ya

[ionic moth]

ye she has like a crazy long side quest much later on

[high verge]

yeah if the cmos voltage would have dropped im p sure i'd see bios errors like it was reset

[low wraith]

Or rather the chip might monitor it but it wouldn't do the logging, I'm currently reading the alert indication decoding which from how it sounds I don't know if there's a guarantee it would be logged on the system which sucks.

[high verge]

closed the game already bc i know the moment i beat margit more monsters are right after him

[ionic moth]

yupp

[high verge]

i really need a break in elden ring thats why i hung out at the starting area so much

[ionic moth]

kinda spoiler not so spoiler

there's a second boss in the castle

arguably harder than magrit

[high verge]

wat

[ionic moth]

ye

[high verge]

when do i get to meet that boss with the white mask and axes for arms

shows up in one of the loading screens

[low wraith]

@high verge

[ionic moth]

huh

[ionic moth]

i think it's that one

[low wraith]

That's what your motherboard looks like, correct?

[high verge]

nope

[low wraith]

erm lol

[high verge]

mine is the gigabyte b650m

[high verge]

.

[low wraith]

That look like it?

[high verge]

maybe

no

it doesnt have those two gold screws on the back

yeah that shit looks outdated as hell

i have a am5 motherboard

its this one

[low wraith]

Does it have any error code indicators i.e. a 7-segment display or even a couple led lights

[high verge]

oh, mb forgot it said ds3h

nope

not even a beep message

im gonna get a new motherboard

i really dont like micro atx. the cpu cooler sits on topnof the rwm

ram

its a bad mobo, 4/10

only gkt it bc it was my cheapest option

[low wraith]

im so confused rn

[high verge]

why

[low wraith]

I found the manual for that exact motherboard

but it has a image of a different motherboard it seems

[high verge]

well theres other models beside the ds3h

thats aorus

🗿

mine is made by gigabyte

[low wraith]

The title:

B650M GAMING X AX
B650M DS3H```

https://download.gigabyte.com/FileList/Manual/mb_manual_b650m-gaming-ud-series_e_1201.pdf?v=90a4b369873d5c9d780f97e7c2960f79

and it's on gigabyte.com

😕

confusing lmfao

[high verge]

wtf

also my gf said shes sorry for misleading you

[low wraith]

lol shes fine

Ahh okay I see

they decided to give an image of a completely different motherboard to show you how to identify the revision...

Makes sense.

[high verge]

yeah this is why i dont like gigabyte

bad quality

niw that im a little wiser i'll make a better choice

[low wraith]

I can't believe it doesn't even have basic error indicators

[high verge]

they removed it to save a few dollars

maybe $3

$8 at most if LED

[low wraith]

On my server computer it has a simple 4 leds,
RAM
VGA
CPU
BIOS

(I believe)
and those have helped me debug it more times then I can count...

[high verge]

it doesnt even ahve an LED to indicate that you're flashing bios

[low wraith]

Only justification would be if that error detection isn't there initially but that's a dangerous game to play cause I'm sure that could cause damage

[high verge]

also the io shield is really cheap flimsy aluminum

[low wraith]

If they already have the detection somewhere just on some part of it where the line is either on or off it would cost way less then that too, especially since they'd order in bulk. The leds would prolly be like 60 cents and then a resistor before them which again would be literal cents.

[high verge]

im probably gonna go with an aorus mobo this time

[carmine apex]

just remember to avoid asus

[low wraith]

https://www.techwalla.com/articles/how-to-view-a-bios-system-log @high verge

It might have some onboard storage or something and you might be able to view it in the bios

Though don't get your hopes up lol

Don't worry about doing it right now btw

[high verge]

its all good i'll do it in the morning since it is bedtime for me

already kinda sleepy

[low wraith]

Alright works for me I should prolly get to bed soon too.

If you check in the morning and find anything message me.

[high verge]

you made a mc cheat client?

why when theres thousands of them

[low wraith]

Lol I was bored and just wanted to experiment with it

Also I like making stuff from scratch that way I can figure out how it works under the hood

[high verge]

all good, i've probably made like 6 for minecraft pe

yk i used to be really into modding and stuff

[low wraith]

Yeah minecraft mods where the driving factor for me wanting to learn to code

[high verge]

still am kinda, but i do it for the adventure and thrill

[low wraith]

I want to work on a rewrite of computercraft

[high verge]

i have a whole ass library of modded apps

[low wraith]

Though the idea of needing to safely implement an interpreter is kinda daunting

[low wraith]

I have an Iphone sadly so it's not so simple to mod apps haha

[high verge]

oh, yeah. everyone i know who does ios modding is super talented

some of the brightest people i've met

[low wraith]

I haven't met any of them yet

[high verge]

i used to be in a discord server full of them but msot have moved on and some even work as a ios reverse engineer for companies like EA

[low wraith]

Oh wow

[rough sapphire]

hello

[high verge]

waddup

[rough sapphire]

I am looking for advice on programing my logitech macro

[low wraith]

Yeah I wanted to get into it though starting on ios sounds like it will be more of a turn off to it.

[rough sapphire]

anyone done it before?

I want my Macro to hold down a key for certain amount of milseconds then release

[high verge]

it probably will. ios binaries are always stripped iirc, so thats a huge blow to any reverse engineering attempts

[high verge]

probably can be done with pyautogui

or pynput

[low wraith]

does it have to be using the logitech software?

iirc ghub?

[rough sapphire]

you no what now that I give it more thought now

*no

I wish it worked but

[low wraith]

Because I haven't with that but I could write a python script to in a minute or so.

[rough sapphire]

Logitech may be a step up from hardware shopping at goodwill

but there arent as cracked up as I thought they where

[low wraith]

lol

[lethal glacier]

Anthy falling asleep

[low wraith]

Yeah I'd imagine, apple is pretty strict security wise from what I've heard.

[low wraith]

Ahh ok

[low wraith]

Put his hand in warm water

[lethal glacier]

I will not let him pee my bed 😖

[high verge]

i will mark my territory

[low wraith]

Oh shit I forgot about that part

ima kms

[low wraith]

never say that again

[high verge]

💀

[low wraith]

Alright yeah I should go to bed since I gotta wake up early tmrw

[high verge]

gnnnnn

[low wraith]

gn

[long citrus]

@low wraith to carry on from last night you said to make sure the laptop has a display output, does this have one?

[ionic moth]

it isn't listed there but it most likely does

I assume so because usb ports aren't listed either

it prob has hdmi

[high verge]

yeah

just dont expect to use your laptop as a monitor

(in other words, you only have HDMI OUT, not HDMI IN)

[low wraith]

Slim laptops a lot of the time don’t directly, you might need to additionally buy a USB-C to HDMI cable

[robust zephyr]

https://what-if.xkcd.com/21/

[heady hamlet]

@ashen ridge story is ready

in ot0

um they r not interested in story perhaps

@stark oasis im going to dm

[stark oasis]

Bro, you need to work on your social skills. I'm sorry that that happened to you, but if you don't start to think about what is socially acceptable, you will continue to get banned, people will continue to decide not to talk to you, etc That one subject is not something you bring up to people casually, it makes them uncomfortable. If I wanted, I could probably share that you DMed me that, and you would be banned from here as well.

I'm not going to but you need to think about these things.

[heady hamlet]

its true

im alr think too much about those

in here there is therapist but going to therapy is weird bc almost nobody does that, ppl think only very rich ppl who alr have too much moni go to therapy

im bad

[prisma siren]

I’m facing and issue to import a library of openai into python i first install it by pip install openai it installed but when i try to import it it’s shows error what can i do ??

[heady hamlet]

#❓｜how-to-get-help

[lament cairn]

so? you shouldn't stop yourself from getting help because of what others think about therapy

[stark oasis]

honestly, therapy is for the rich here too. but it sounds like you would benefit from that if you get it.

[heady hamlet]

my problem is situation, not my depression or axiety. going to japan will solve everything

[lament cairn]

from this message and from what ive seen you talk about here, it doesn't seem like your problem is just your situation @heady hamlet

it seems like a problem with you

[heady hamlet]

i accept the fate that ill probadly have to live alone forever

[heady hamlet]

nope its caused bc of what i did in the past

to escape what i did in the past ill go to

go to ....

[heady hamlet]

im gay n thats the problem. ppl in vn r anti lgbt

ill go to somewhere

escape these ppl

he is gone

[long citrus]

Oh ok

[long citrus]

I'm pretty sure everyone nows that but thanks anyway

[stark oasis]

that doesn't have anything to do with the saying of awkward things
you need practice interacting with people outside of troll chat rooms and stuff.

In Japan, there would be no tolerance for you not strictly following social norms, you realize that right?

It's really not the place that you think it is.

[tulip falcon]

I wanna use my laptop as hdmi in though 😭

[long citrus]

Dfkm 😭😭

[fathom musk]

I want to make a prediction that tomorrow's ot channel name will be after Luna.

Assuming they are named randomly by a bot.

[robust zephyr]

https://xkcd.com/221/

xkcd: Random Number

RFC 1149.5 specifies 4 as the standard IEEE-vetted random number.

[high verge]

i believe you're overthinking this

[spare oriole]

going to japan will not solve all of your problems, re: to you being gay: japan still has a long way to go before being gay is acceptable

[high verge]

you'll probably be accepted more as a gay person in south korea

[proven ermine]

idk if some of them are randomly named, but they are randomly chosen

so as not random as it may be, the chances are probably low

[heady hamlet]

naw japan is better than south korea

didnt plan to have new boy friend when go to japan or south korea actually

goin to live alone, they wont notice

[spare oriole]

not if you're an outsider / foreigner

SK is more welcoming to foreigners tan japan

[foggy jungle]

Mmm, I lived in South Korea for a year and vacationed to Japan more than a few times. I wouldn't describe Japan as unwelcoming, they were just more reserved in my experience. From a US perspective, it was easy to jump to 'this person doesn't like me' or 'this person is rude', but as I spent a bit more time there, it just kinda' became "how it works here".

In South Korea, people would buy us drinks and stuff and talk to us while we were out, it was really cool.
In Japan, most people would kinda' just... go about their days. Restaurant and hotel waitstaff were incredibly kind and super respectful, but I think culturally Japan is more mild mannered, and from the US at least, we've kind of adopted a "This person is being incredibly quiet/stoic," as a slight, when I'm not sure if that's true.

[young shoal]

it's because americans are super friendly, apparently

[grave cove]

depends on where in america

[robust zephyr]

https://tenor.com/view/epic-flag-hurricane-america-two-gif-14334358

[grave cove]

florida

[grave cove]

lmfao

the don

[young shoal]

yeah it's a bit old

[robust zephyr]

that rules

[young shoal]

🔫 🦅🇺🇸

[heady hamlet]

naw american bpoys like war

they atk russia so russia sacifice ppl to surviv

[jovial oriole]

🦅🦅🦅🔥🔥🦅🦅🦅🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸😭😭☝️☝️☝️

[spare oriole]

the japanese are like new yorkers, leave me alone and fuck off

[grave cove]

ey im walkin 'ere

[spare oriole]

as long as you don't stop and gawk like a tourist

[rough sapphire]

https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/microsoft-previews-defender-for-iot-firmware-analysis-service/

Looks like IoT devices are getting a little more secure.

[high verge]

i added you on psn

[spare oriole]

did you?

[lethal glacier]

If @high verge becomes an enemy, nemesis, villain to any of you. His weakness is tickles.

[ionic moth]

i thought it was elden ring

tell the mf he got no skill

[high verge]

[long citrus]

Is the rk61 a good key board?

[thick osprey]

Have you ever used a 60% before?

[vale raven]

What ever happened to just using a keyboard?
Why did we start chopping sections off?

[high verge]

number pad is a redundant feature

anything below a TKL is worse imo

[thick osprey]

It all depends on how you want to retrain your hands. The rk61 is not a linear alignment so it's just smaller. You still need to be willing to learn how to use a layer key because it will be required.

[abstract marlin]

does anyone know why its so common to find python packages named after japanese words? when the creator isnt japanese?

[robust zephyr]

why don't you ask them?

the second sentence also confuses me. how could you possibly know if the author is Japanese?

why would it even matter?

[abstract marlin]

its not hard to do a search and learn. and also asking like you mentioned. for example a quick search shows me the creator of Jinja is Austrian

[robust zephyr]

so what's your point?

none of us can tell you why they named their package whatever

[abstract marlin]

okay i was just curious

[solid elbow]

he also created werkzeug, which is a German word. I think you're reading too deep into things. 🙂

[abstract marlin]

what do you think im reading too deep into?

[solid elbow]

I think the dude might just like certain words, and naming stuff is hard

"werkzeug" is basically German for "work-doer", as I understand 😄

or tool-for-doing-work maybe

[lethal glacier]

Me looking at puffer fishes during work cause I miss my bf and they look like him 😦

[fathom musk]

Whaaaa-

[jaunty wraith]

https://bloomberg.github.io/blazingmq/

[thick ore]

nice

[solid elbow]

Python API should be out "soon" 😄

[jaunty wraith]

neato!

calling it blazing made me think it's written in Rust ngl

[solid elbow]

hah, lots of people on the Hacker News thread said the same thing

[thick ore]

.net api when

[solid elbow]

when hell freezes over

[grave cove]

least vehement dotnet hater

[solid elbow]

hah, serious answer: I don't speak for the BlazingMQ team, that's a question you'd need to ask them. It should certainly be doable. We're unlikey to ever build it ourselves, we're a Unix shop. The BlazingMQ team could tell you whether they'd be willing to support a .net port contributed by a 3rd party

I suspect that the answer is that they wouldn't be willing to take ownership, but would be willing to help someone else write one, and provide advice and mentorship

at least, that's the answer I'd give you if I were them 😄

[thick ore]

i'll wait and see

this is fairly new software right

[solid elbow]

newly open sourced, but it has existed for about a decade

so, stable, maintained, battle tested, but new to having development done in the open and to having outside contributors

[thick ore]

alright nice

[jaunty wraith]

supported on AIX and Solaris
I take it these are quite commonly used in Bloomberg

[solid elbow]

eh. Much less commonly than 10 years ago, still more than "not at all"

we're hoping to kill AIX off at Bloomberg within the next 1.5 years, ish. Solaris is looking like it's gonna take longer.

[high haven]

pretty neat!

[solid elbow]

we were a bit late hopping on the Linux train, and parts of our code base are around 50 years old. It can be a slow ship to turn. Like 98% of our machines are Linux at this point, but that still leaves hundreds that are AIX and Solaris.

[jaunty wraith]

50 year old software sounds ancient lol

[solid elbow]

perhaps. But mature software shops tend to not throw things away willy nilly. If it works...

[reef goblet]

Bro i went to this museum

And they had a really old instrument

And they were using

Windows xp to control it

It hurt to look at

[solid elbow]

actually, I said 50 - should've said 40. A bit less ancient. 🙂

I failed at subtraction, heh

[reef goblet]

And a hospital i was at

Was using outdated computers as well

[solid elbow]

I've heard lots of medical equipment still runs on XP, because the companies that built it went out of business or made new product lines, and never provided drivers for the old hardware that work with up-to-date OSs...

[reef goblet]

Oh no

[solid elbow]

there've been a few recent examples of hospitals hit by ransomware attacks

[reef goblet]

Can you even officially instal XP anymore

I dont think so right?

[solid elbow]

it's been end of life for a long time now

[reef goblet]

Whoever attacks hospitals should be locked up

[solid elbow]

I mean, ransomware is terrible in general, but attacking hospitals is extra terrible

[reef goblet]

Ik

Kinda reminds me of those “just stop oil” “activists “ who block busy roads

[karmic gust]

i can think of a handful of differences

[thick ore]

pretty cool going on tpb and seeing no ads

[swift cosmos]

😆

[gritty zinc]

oh absolutely. a relative of mine only recently stopped using XP for this exact reason (their was-great-when-bought ancient scanner won't work on anything later).
Guess what does support that scanner? That's right, linux mint right out of the box :p

it's kinda horrifying that hospitals ever used windows in the first place, though

[tulip falcon]

Gnu was designed for printers 🙂

[ionic moth]

here they use win 7

and yeah it's because of drivers

we got public healthcare tho

like my mom lamented the other day how she could not find a pc that had drivers for a thingy that's supposedly used to sign dimission letters or sum like that

[graceful basin]

that's the fun with linux - is the driver in mainline kernel - it will work ~100% of time on every linux distro in existence, in perpetuity. Is the driver not in the mainline kernel - you need this exact kernel build to even have a chance of running it.

and yes, printers work better with linux than windows

[ionic moth]

cups on top

still had to run a setup script that was buried deep within hp's website to get my printer working

[frigid kelp]

Can anyone reccomend a good antivirus

[ionic moth]

windows defender /j

heard malwarebytes is pretty good, never used it tho

[high haven]

oh no 💀

[tardy rain]

Jabba good tho

Pays the bills and such

[high haven]

ok PL/SQL

im jk

[tardy rain]

Pls no

Even tho its not that bad, it only mildly inconveniences me

I dont even work with it that much

[high haven]

i cant say anything. im over here with sql server

a good one from vin vashishta:

[tardy rain]

Do you use desktop tools to debug and dev sql server stuff?

[gritty zinc]

ah yes, I'm sure data science is totally different and much more useful than AI :p

[high haven]

no we have a database developer that does that lol

[tardy rain]

Wtf

Slack

er

Poor guy

Does he use anything?

[high haven]

yeah he has something

[tardy rain]

We have our own set of small internal tools and they all suck buns

But no cash to fix

The budget does not allow

[high haven]

literally heavily considering a meme in my presentation next Thursday

but nah that audience probably wouldnt appreciate it

[high haven]

the budget does not allow any real money for this ML project so im working using others cloud credits instead. its a real tragedy tbh

[tardy rain]

My newest revelation is that even the most experienced, knowledgeable people dont know how to estimate shit

Quite literally, everyone is just faking it

No one here is the actual slim shady

Everyone is just imitating

[ionic moth]

cap, i'm the slim shady

like ong

[high haven]

estimating is always a lose-lose game. it is tough. i def suck at it

also

just found out the hq downtown office's rent

it is $3 mil/floor

[tulip falcon]

Per month? Per year?

Lmao imagine something that costs 3 million per month

Only thing I can think of that costs that much would be a football stadium in downtown

Even then probably cost way too much to make any money off the games played inside it

[high verge]

real estate be crazy

[high haven]

dunno which one sounds more correct for office space

must be per year right

they should just sublease that space

employees wont come in anyway

[young shoal]

lul

[tardy rain]

bruh

merge conflicts and VSCode have made me look like an absolute amateur this week

fuck git all my homies hate git

[undone thorn]

bruhh I feel that

[robust zephyr]

i do not feel that. i love git

[tardy rain]

its not git's fault

its vscode's

[undone thorn]

I spent like 2 hours at work just trying to get my commits to show up on their azure devops dashboard

[tardy rain]

lmao

[robust zephyr]

vscode even makes merge conflicts easy by showing a UI for it

[tardy rain]

the fucking UI

THE UI!

KEEPS FINDING ITSELF IN MY COMMITS

RANDOM >>>>>>> HEAD AND <<<<<<<< IN MY FUCKING COMMITS

[robust zephyr]

what? those aren't random. they are merge conflict markers. if you have that in a commit, it means you did not resolve all of the conflicts

[tardy rain]

i even called my manager just now and we went through a merge together

no random conflict markers left anywhere

and yet

git shouldnt let me commit shit if there's still random markers left in my code

and vscode shouldnt shit the bed when i hit Accept changes

[robust zephyr]

git won't stop you from committing silly things and that's fine i think. not sure what you mean about vscode shitting the bed. can't say i've experienced that

[tardy rain]

git inserts those things

[robust zephyr]

it sounds like somewhere along the line the merge conflict resolution process did not complete

[tardy rain]

git shouldnt let me commit with the silly things it inserted into my code

yea it was VSCode, it probably lagged or something

[robust zephyr]

it tells you there is a conflict and where it is. it's on you to resolve those conflicts

[graceful basin]

My merge solution always was manually ctrl+f for the markers

[robust zephyr]

vscode also tells you when all conflicts are resolved, so there is some level of willful ignorance going on here

[tardy rain]

leaving markers in code is not me resolving conflicts tho is it

[robust zephyr]

it's you leaving the markers

you must resolve all the conflicts. it's that simple

[tardy rain]

it wasnt me lol, I resolved everything

it was vscode bugging the fuck out

[graceful basin]

Git GUIs scare me tbh

[robust zephyr]

i like vscode's merge conflict UI but i use the command line for everything else

[tardy rain]

need a precommit hook for this nonsense

[stable fulcrum]

"new"

[ionic moth]

ntfs moment

[lament cairn]

nt

wheres ot

[fathom musk]

Lmao the channel name

Though my prediction of one based on Luna didn't come true.

[young shoal]

just git diff?

[tardy rain]

Cant trust git if it cant even read my mind and resolve things the way i want them to be resolved

[graceful basin]

git diff doesn't let you find it inside the file

I use git status to find what I need to merge, then I just edit the file with a normal editor, gradually deleting the markers

[young shoal]

doesn't it just give you the line numbers though?

[graceful basin]

ctrl+f is faster than line numbers

[young shoal]

fair enough

[drowsy rose]

almost as "new" as linux

[stark oasis]

can you imagine being a person that takes video games thi seriously lol

[high verge]

@ionic moth i bought 50mil runes

for like $25

[thick ore]

ReFS when

[high verge]

ayo

do you play elden ring?

[thick ore]

nah

[high verge]

tf why

bruh

with those $25 i could have bought hollow knight smh

[thick ore]

idek what a rune is

refund then ig?

[high verge]

idk if this man will refund me

bought it from some website called guapci

[tulip falcon]

Lol

[high verge]

what

[tulip falcon]

$25 sounds like a fair bit to invest

Sorry

[high verge]

50mil runes practically grants you max stats in the game and enough to upgrade a good variety of weapons and armor

[tulip falcon]

I used to play a game where you needed runes to like fight with magic

[high verge]

sounds like elden ring

[stark oasis]

I should try to finish HK again. Ive started it twice and I get pretty far but I eventually just burn out and dont finish it

kinda just accepted at some point that i don't finish games anymore.

[ionic moth]

yeah you gotta finish the pantheon hitless with all bindings on at once

still easier than radiant markoth

[tulip falcon]

It says that e would be mutable which is incorrect

[thick ore]

that's not rust lol

what is that

[tulip falcon]

It's like a rusty C pseudocode 😄

[tropic lichen]

the i32 is probably mostly responsible for making it think its rust

[tulip falcon]

Was for me too

Was someone's code snippet posted in general

[naive igloo]

with elements of python

[rough sapphire]

what do u think of a text editor with these keybindings:
ctrl+j -> go down
ctrl +k -> go up
ctrl + l -> right
ctrl + h -> left
ctrl+w+e -> end of line
ctrl+w+q -> start of line
ctrl+q+enter -> exit

ctrl s is probably going to be "save"

[gritty zinc]

what did arrow keys do to you?

[rough sapphire]

arrow keys have the same function as hjkl

forgot to include them in the message

[wraith hound]

but you have to move your hand to reach them! /j

[rough sapphire]

so what do u think?

[wraith hound]

ctrl + w for lines is weird, it feels like it should be "word"

[acoustic moss]

ctrl w means "close window" for me

[thick ore]

why not just go with the "standard" keybindings?

arrow keys etc

[rough sapphire]

because those are bad imo

and you can use arrow keys

    switch (ch) {
    [[likely]] case 'k':
      [[fallthrough]];
    case 'K':
      [[fallthrough]];
    case KEY_UP:
      if (cy != 0)
        cy--;
      break;
    [[likely]] case 'j':
      [[fallthrough]];
    case 'J':
      [[fallthrough]];
    case KEY_DOWN:
      if (cy != paths.size() - 1)
        cy++;
      break;
    }

this is a part of the code for the file manager

[thick ore]

is the [[...]] actual syntax?

[rough sapphire]

yeah

i am using C++20

[thick ore]

what's it for

[rough sapphire]

1) Applies to a statement to allow the compiler to optimize for the case where paths of execution including that statement are more likely than any alternative path of execution that does not include such a statement.
2) Applies to a statement to allow the compiler to optimize for the case where paths of execution including that statement are less likely than any alternative path of execution that does not include such a statement.

https://en.cppreference.com/w/cpp/language/attributes/likely

[thick ore]

how about fallthrough

[rough sapphire]

and fallthrough is just saying that the fallthrough is inteded and u didn't forget a break

and u get no warning from the compiler

[thick ore]

nice

i might learn C++ soon

[rough sapphire]

for me it's a language that "just works"

and that's why i use it

[naive igloo]

but why in the first place?

[thick ore]

inspired by vim

[naive igloo]

hm?

[thick ore]

vim uses hjkl for moving around

and optionally the arrow keys

[naive igloo]

weirdo

tbh

[rough sapphire]

emacs is even more weird imo

[willow narwhal]

This is a keyboard of an ADM-3A, the computer vi was created on. It had no seperate arrow keys, and hjkl have arrows printed on them. That's no accident either — it's the right hand's home row

[rough sapphire]

HJKL stands for HOME

[willow narwhal]

(home row is where your hands (should) rest when typing)

[naive igloo]

((i dont follow it lol))

[naive igloo]

ok now makes more sense

[willow narwhal]

((that's why the J (and F) keys have a little tactile thing))

[naive igloo]

(((yeah ik)))

[tranquil orchid]

qwerty moment

[naive igloo]

qwerty is very efficient

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1115740334366924801.webp?size=48&name=troll~1&quality=lossless

[reef goblet]

Vim vim vim vim

[fathom musk]

Lemon instead of luna

Fair enuff

[fathom musk]

vroom vroom vroom vroom

[high haven]

"I don't know of anyone who has said 'I love my Oracle database.'"

"Developers should never use Oracle, SQL Server, DB2, Sybase again for new applications."
-listening to an aws podcast 💀

@tardy rain thought of you

[acoustic moss]

i love my oracle database

[tardy rain]

Lmao

Its not a new application

And how do you convince people to start a migration to something more modern/better when youre a 1.5year exp uber junior

I dont even know if theres anything better, i just know this oracle thing is making it difficult for me

And mongo lmao

[high haven]

you cannot. i was just listening to this podcast and thought of you

the main guest talked about majority of enterprise db usage patterns falling into 3 buckets

transactional, analytical, and engagement

nosql apparently is good for the 3rd use case

[high haven]

dont lie to me

i will know

👁️

[tardy rain]

what is engagement

we use mongo to aggregate data from different sources, then it goes into oracle

[high haven]

the guy didnt go into detail

but heres something that may or may not be hallucinated

anyway now the podcast is about serverless

the guest is actually corey quinn

what a character

the finops guy

[high verge]

wow, a dedicated key for lf, thats some old school typewriter stuff

[high verge]

what does RUB do

[willow narwhal]

I'm guessing DEL

[solid elbow]

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14371986

ScottBurson

On an ASR33 Teletype, backspace simply moved the carriage one character position to the left.Rubout was a different concept entirely. The ASR33 had a paper tape punch and reader. The Rubout character was 0x7F, i.e., it had all bits set. So, to "rub out" an erroneous character from the paper tape, you could back the tape up in the punch to the...

Hacker News · May 18, 2017, 11:45 PM

[lethal glacier]

[worldly grail]

Kivy? U like the gui too?

[lethal glacier]

What's gui

Gooey?

[naive igloo]

Graphical User Interface

the thing with buttons, input fields, images...

[lethal glacier]

I'm not nerd yet gimme another year 😌

[worldly grail]

https://github.com/kivy/kivy

[naive igloo]

there is TUI, which is for Terminal User Interface, it is basically same GUI, but you use text to create UI (only UNICODE-characters, actually quite impressive what you can do with those)

[naive igloo]

ok 😔

[lethal glacier]

no wonder the username kivy is taken everywhere

[naive igloo]

just create a username, then make typo involving n-word accidently, and it is not taken anywhere

good example is my username :)

[lethal glacier]

I go back to work

[naive igloo]

(it is supposed to be space + engineer but something went wrong 3 years ago)

[naive igloo]

nanaahaaha

ok

gl cya

[abstract marlin]

me when 2am boredom strikes

[thick ore]

what is bro bruteforcing

[naive igloo]

just listen to the kernel's soul

very relaxing

[abstract marlin]

it was my response to someone bringing up the didneylan meme

[thick ore]

is it that one itertools function

[abstract marlin]

permutations yes

[abstract marlin]

from itertools import permutations as a

p = lambda s,c:'\n'.join(' '.join(''.join(h)for h in g)for g in zip(*([a(s)]*c)))

print(p('disneyland', 10))

when you accidentally make your first password generator /j

when you accidentally generate your first crossword

[drowsy rose]

hi

[placid warren]

hi

cool there's no timeout here

[clever blade]

Video games have no positive effects on human life.

[placid warren]

se lo dici te fra

[round pendant]

least troll take ever

[simple schooner]

There are plenty of proven studies that deny your claims. What are you based on?

[round pendant]

dont even see a reason to argue against that

[clever blade]

Except if you wish to make it a career on youtube. or stream

But even then, most streamers are depressed

[young shoal]

there are also video games besides first person shooters...

[signal scroll]

they are still fun

[clever blade]

like what bro?

[placid warren]

what are you based on?

[thick ore]

all english words i could find in like 3 minutes

[clever blade]

You know what else is fun? doing drugs.

[tropic lichen]

for me its a social thing, gaming is a fun activity with friends

[thick ore]

all dine, and, is

[tropic lichen]

and last i checked, socialising has a positive effect on human life (it makes you happy)

[clever blade]

If you're having a LAN party of some sort. Then it's fine, I guess.

[gloomy peak]

are they depressed as a result of their job or other outside factors in their lives
bc if it's the stress of doing their job then that might be just as much associated with other jobs + the burden of self management, so video games have no basis here

[simple schooner]

Yeah, cocaine and fortnite are quite similar

[signal scroll]

i is also a word

[clever blade]

It could be social

[placid warren]

bro lives in the 1990

[thick ore]

yeah but that's just absurd :P

[limpid canopy]

where can i get help for github actions

[clever blade]

No, It's because they sit in their houses streaming for 9 hours and day without any sunlight

This is why they are depressed

[thick ore]

probably here, or in the github server if it exists

[placid warren]

theyre probably streaming because they cant find a job, using streaming as last resort

[clever blade]

Yes, It's both highly addictive and has potential to destroy your life.

[limpid canopy]

all necessary info here https://github.com/EtherealGlow/ubiquibot/actions/runs/5706026077/job/15461303997

[clever blade]

yup

[placid warren]

i never heard of someone having their life destroyed by fortnite

but ok

[limpid canopy]

does anyone talking here rn

[tropic lichen]

I don't get the luxury of that often, we all live quite far apart, and times when we can all gather in one place are few and far between - being able to just hop on a minecraft server or whatever and casually build while chatting rubbish is quite enjoyable

[limpid canopy]

knwo anything about github actions

[simple schooner]

To be fair, there are. Videogame addictions are a thing. But in any case, comparing it to doing drugs is....

[clever blade]

I heard many stories. Kids getting so addicted they skip school. Spending their entire families life savings on skins. etc

[tropic lichen]

though you're right, LAN parties are still pretty fun 😄

[drowsy rose]

Compared to control participants, those in the shooter video game condition show faster and more accurate attention allocation,
higher spatial resolution in visual processing, and enhanced
mental rotation abilities (for a review, see C. S. Green &
Bavelier, 2012).

The story behind a recent breakthrough in biology research provides a nice illustration of how gamers’ superior spatial and problem-solving skills, as well as their creativity, all came together to solve a real-world, previously insoluble problem. In 2008, researchers at the University of Washington created an online game called Foldit (Cooper et al., 2010), allowing the public to play games in which they model the genetic makeup of proteins. At the end of a three-week competition in 2010, top-scoring players had generated phase estimates that allowed researchers to identify a rapid solution of the crystal structure for a monkey virus related to AIDS. The structure had eluded researchers for over 10 years; however, the nonlinear, cooperative, and creative problem-solving techniques used by these gamers seemed to be precisely the skills needed to finally solve this elusive problem.

https://psycnet.apa.org/record/2013-42122-001

[placid warren]

i never said videogames aren't addictive, i said their not that addictive

[simple schooner]

Yeah I agree

[placid warren]

most of the times it's parent's fault

[robust zephyr]

are you a mental health professional? how did you assess the health of such a large group of people? are you in their chats asking them theraputic questions?

[tropic lichen]

addiction is bad, but something being potentially addictive when not in moderation doesn't make that thing inherently bad

[robust zephyr]

just wondering how one comes to such a conclusion

it's almost like........you made it up

[gloomy peak]

^

[clever blade]

Make new friends around your locality 👍

[clever blade]

No, It is called logical reasoning.

[placid warren]

yea im wondering if he's a troll or not

[round pendant]

honestly i dont understand how people stil dont think he's trolling

[gloomy peak]

what is blud's reasoning

[placid warren]

like bro fr

[robust zephyr]

what's logical about making stuff up?

[clever blade]

Video game addiction is considered a mental health issue

[drowsy rose]

anecdotal evidence anyone?

[clever blade]

by the WHO

[tropic lichen]

changing my entire group of peers all in order to avoid playing video games doesn't exactly sound like a balanced tradeoff

[placid warren]

could you post some case which is not from 2018 or earlier?

[simple schooner]

Of course, because "addiction" has the negative connotation. You can also say "washing dishes 5h per day addiction is a mental health issue"

[drowsy rose]

Studies suggest that gaming disorder affects only a small proportion of people who engage in digital- or video-gaming activities.

[tranquil orchid]

Not sure if this is the same article I skimmed a while back, but here's the conclusion from https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0002961014001421

As I've already said, in moderation gaming can have positive effects. Yes it can also be bad, most things can be, but it'd be wrong to state that gaming is just plain bad and there's zero upsides to it

[drowsy rose]

https://www.who.int/news-room/questions-and-answers/item/addictive-behaviours-gaming-disorder

[clever blade]

yes.. that would be a mental health issue .. LOL!

there is something seriously wrong with you if you wash dishes for 5 hours a day

and you like it.....

[round pendant]

yeah and turns out not 100% of people who play games are actually addicted to them

[clever blade]

It would be classified under OCD.

[drowsy rose]

ahem
according to the WHO website on gaming disorder as a mental health issue

https://www.who.int/news-room/questions-and-answers/item/addictive-behaviours-gaming-disorder

[simple schooner]

Therefore we can infer that you can say anything can be converted into an addiction when not used properly

[drowsy rose]

Studies suggest that gaming disorder affects only a small proportion of people who engage in digital- or video-gaming activities.

[simple schooner]

So maybe the problem is how you use it, and not that they are inheretly dangerous

[simple schooner]

Do not bother, he is not going to read any

[drowsy rose]

have you even read the sources you're citing? or just a biased overview designed to get click throughs and ads?

[clever blade]

Video games are inherently addictive. Washing dishes is not. Every single aspect of a video game is designed specifically to release dopamine in your brain. Playing video games is the same as watching pornography

[placid warren]

for example cold showers release dopamine in your brain

[drowsy rose]

can you back up your claim with any scientific research?

[clever blade]

every single aspect of the modern game is desgined to stimulate your brain into craving more pixels in your screen

[placid warren]

what is bad about dopamine is big spikes like p

[drowsy rose]

every single aspect of the modern fruit is designed to stimulate your brain into craving more fruit

[limpid canopy]

please

anyone

[simple schooner]

Then, why cant you say the same about board games, for example?

They are also designed for this

[clever blade]

yeah, video games give you big spikes as well... When you win in a game, you feel the emotion of accomplishment. Releasing a lot of dopamine. But in reality, you haven't accomplished anything in real life. Leading you to be less motivated in real life concerns.

[drowsy rose]

also back up your claims with scientific evidence

[placid warren]

no, board games are real, video games are virtual so only virtual things are bad

[placid warren]

what if i won a gaming tournament?

[drowsy rose]

that preferably isnt from a newspaper article designed to drive through clickthroughs and arent biased

[placid warren]

bro just think before writing

[clever blade]

Board games introduce a social aspect. You're not gonna sit in your house and play boardgames for 5 hours a day.. lol

[round pendant]

dnd players would like to disagree but whatever

[simple schooner]

Reading can release dopamine without "accomplishing anything in real life" technically. Even when you are discussing here with random people you are not accomplish anything. Has all of your things we do have to be related with accomplish anything?

[drowsy rose]

@clever blade are you not going to respond to my question about giving scientific evidence?

[clever blade]

Not at all. And Gluttony is a sin as well.

[round pendant]

online games introduce the social aspect too 🤷

[drowsy rose]

WHAT DO YOU MEAN NOT AT ALL

[tranquil orchid]

I feel like we're just ignoring the whole "in moderation" part of this, playing video games for 5 hours a day is bad, yeah, not going to argue against that. But I see no issue hopping on for an hour with some friends to hang out and chill out and just not think about stuff for a lil

My friends do that all the time

[drowsy rose]

[tranquil orchid]

It's often more about that social interaction than the game itself

[drowsy rose]

your "claims" seem to be highly biased and over-exxagerated

[tranquil orchid]

A way of keeping in touch

[placid warren]

most of the times the game is only a medium

[drowsy rose]

oh hey wonder where he went

[clever blade]

This is you bro

[thick ore]

😭

[gloomy peak]

what's the harm in giving a source

[tranquil orchid]

Like I mean sure, what you're saying it completely true for those people that just lock themselves in a room and play games for hours on end by themselves. But that isn't what most people do

[robust zephyr]

ya those are the kind of conclusions one reaches when they make assumptions about large groups of people based on speculation

[tranquil orchid]

Anyways, that's just my 2 cents, I'm not into gaming, some people are, more power to ya, people enjoy different things

I gotta go get some uni work done 👀

[placid warren]

bro had to use a image because he cant win an argumentation against some random online people

[drowsy rose]

i could say that games are good for you

and not playing games is actively bad for you

which would be completely false

[tropic lichen]

by this logic, meeting up somewhere and hanging out with friends equally accomplishes nothing in real life, but i doubt you'd claim that hanging out with people has "no positive effect on human life"

[drowsy rose]

and i'd have no scientific evidence to back that up

[clever blade]

because not every miniscule thing has a study done on it. You should rely more on the reason of your own conscious mind.

[drowsy rose]

and that its from my "personal experience" and i've heard "lots of studies"

[gloomy peak]

but sometimes thing may be outside of reason

[drowsy rose]

https://scholar.google.com

[placid warren]

fuck science. let's go back to using bible

[gloomy peak]

take survivor's bias for instance

[robust zephyr]

my personal experience is that this is a low quality troll and i'm stunned there hasn't been any moderation

[drowsy rose]

it takes like 2 minutes to find a source

[simple schooner]

You think it is miniscule because you lack knowledge in that field. But there are plenty of sociologists and psychologists studying it

[clever blade]

No, you're ignoring the social aspect of it. You build good lasting connection.

[drowsy rose]

and why would that not be sustained through video games?

[clever blade]

+1

[drowsy rose]

LMFAO

[placid warren]

lmfao

[simple schooner]

I do not think moderation is the solution

[drowsy rose]

also last i checked the bible didnt say video games were bad

[gloomy peak]

i mean there isn't much of a difference other than the distance that may span, but maintaining relationships online is fine

but that's a neat thing about it, distance

[clever blade]

It's not the same bro, you know this, I know this. Everyone knows this. No one plays video games to socialize. This is a huge cope

[round pendant]

i have found my friend group through games and we've been together for around 8 years already, not even playing games most of the time now

[drowsy rose]

the only time i play games is when my friend is online lmao

[round pendant]

same

[drowsy rose]

(and to try and beat my friend)

[limpid canopy]

anyone speaks yaml here 💀 ?

specifically for github actions

[placid warren]

bro go in python general

this is offtopic

[drowsy rose]

yeah its off topic

this is the literal point of the channel

[simple schooner]

You are just ignoring the social aspects of videogames

[drowsy rose]

probably move to #tools-and-devops, people will probably know stuff there

[clever blade]

Yeah man, You don't just play "for an hour". video games are inherently addictive. They're made to be so. Other wise they will not be profitiable. You waste a considerable amount of time playing video games accomplishing meaningless achievments

[limpid canopy]

theres absolutely no one there

[drowsy rose]

anyway with the exact same argument, i'll argue programming is bad for me

i lock myself in a room

[limpid canopy]

its like a barren wasteland

[gloomy peak]

there's a lot of games based around yappering

[drowsy rose]

and sit on my own computer for 5 hours in neovim

[tranquil orchid]

And for people with no self control I'm sure that's an issue

[clever blade]

Online friends are not real friends bro.. I'm sorry you feel this way

[gloomy peak]

so do you with programming but it's actually profitable, then it's a good achievement
same with games where you achieve enough to the point where it ain't as meaningless

[tropic lichen]

If I get a ping from some friends asking for people to play a game or two of valorant, then i'm not joining because i wanna play valorant, i'm joining because its a fun thing to socialise over. I don't know where you've gotten the idea that nobody uses games as a social tool

[clever blade]

That's bad as well, maybe you should stand while programming, But you're still achieving something usefull. you're sharpenning your skill in a way it could be useful in the future.

[simple schooner]

I do not have online friends, but I can understand they can be as important as real life friend

[robust zephyr]

i'd imagine it's hard to see the social value in games if you have no friends

[drowsy rose]

what lmao

[simple schooner]

And what are you achieving or accomplishing in this discussion? 🤔

[clever blade]

This is the case for most modern people. If It's not video games, It's tiktok or instagram. Almost everyone in the modern era has some kind of dopamine vice.

[clever blade]

Trying to Improve your life

[round pendant]

i think you spelled ,,trolling" very wrong

[drowsy rose]

all this is about is why gaming doesnt satisfy your "metric" and "standards" of "productive" or "useful" things with random statements that you have absolutely zero evidence except biased anecdotal evidence of

[gloomy peak]

^

[drowsy rose]

kid who's life improves with gaming? we ignore that
kid blows a family's life savings in a game? it's in the news all over the world

[simple schooner]

You wish you could improve it 🤷🏽‍♂️
I do not play videogames, I go to gym every day and do sports. I am also working and everything. According to you, this should be your standard no?

[drowsy rose]

tbh i think this conversation is useless

[round pendant]

it indeed is

[tranquil orchid]

Sure, most people have something along those lines. But again, moderation is the word to keep in mind here. Most people also have self control, those things are often just ways to relax or stay in touch with friends or whatever. Me and my friends go bouldering regularly to keep in touch, I don't see how that's any better than playing games every so often to keep in touch. The only benefit bouldering has over gaming is the physical exercise as well, but both are excellent way to keep in touch with your friends and are both beneficial in that sense. The method you prefer is a personal one, but regardless of the way you do it, there are lots of ways people remain social

[drowsy rose]

because we aren't changing anyone's opinion due to you being to stubborn to accept any proof or evidence, and not giving any hard scientific evidence

then so according to your "standard", this must be a useless conversation as it improves nothing and only acts to stimulate our brain

[placid warren]

wrong channel lol

[clever blade]

what is your one rep bilateral squat max?

[tranquil orchid]

alright

[drowsy rose]

probably

[tranquil orchid]

This is truely useless

[drowsy rose]

what does that even mean

[tranquil orchid]

Imma head back to uni stuff

[simple schooner]

I was at 120kg 1RM @ 70kg

[drowsy rose]

imma head back to gaming

[simple schooner]

Not tranining for strength tho

[placid warren]

imma go back to figure out how to hack this nintendo ds (yes, it's mine nintendo, i wnat to mod it)

[drowsy rose]

feel free

hacking the right way

[placid warren]

ye, i highly forbid hacking other people's things

[clever blade]

I already disproven the relaxation myth. And you can be in touch with friends in other ways more meaningful than just going on a lose streak in valorent.

[placid warren]

i enjoy hacking mine for fun and profit

[round pendant]

bro never played funny games with friends

[young shoal]

didn't your disproof of relaxation only take into account video games like fortnite, csgo?

[tranquil orchid]

Yes we've heard your opinions several times

This is just going in circles

[clever blade]

90% of video games.

Most video games people are addicted too

[young shoal]

source?

[young shoal]

source?

[placid warren]

he just won't listen to what we are saying

that's why i gave up

[clever blade]

That's very low for your weight

get higher bro

[tranquil orchid]

Here, take a cookie: 🍪 let's leave this conversation there

[drowsy rose]

yum

[placid warren]

yum