ot1-perplexing-regexing

[foggy jungle]

Search up a game, it'll tell you if it's supported via SteamOS.

[heady hamlet]

[foggy jungle]

Proton is like... WINE for video games. It's not but we'll call it that.

[grave cove]

This is ridiculous

[foggy jungle]

It's an abstraction layer to allow Windows games to run on Linux.

[foggy jungle]

Holy crap lol

[heady hamlet]

nooooooo

tthat pictut burn my eyes

[foggy jungle]

Also this is so stupid.

2700k meets those requirements.

[thick ore]

honestly why isn't valorant supported on linux
just go to the tray, right click on the vanguard icon and click exit 🤷

[foggy jungle]

And is like... 10 years old?

[thick ore]

so easy

[heady hamlet]

me?

[jaunty wraith]

which "engineering" applications require those specs?

[tawny jay]

But how does that do a performance check and by the way that guy i showded is saying its not Linux supported games, its aall games that windows can run .

[grave cove]

[foggy jungle]

I'm telling you the video you showed is someone that is creating content specifically to get views.

[heady hamlet]

i have 4 years on discord i cant use didcord when i was 6

[thick ore]

what typa stuff is bro engineering 😭😭🙏

[foggy jungle]

The database I linked you is aggregated user reports of what runs and what doesn't.

[tawny jay]

he differs

[grave cove]

well I'm planning on doing grad school after so may as well get something good to last me all the way

[heady hamlet]

i want hug

[foggy jungle]

I understand, I'm telling you he's incorrect based on the statistics I showed (and my current reasonably educated knowledge of how... operating systems work, I guess.)

[heady hamlet]

there is guido van russum hug

[tawny jay]

Maybe you mean what nativly runs on linux ? he is saying that linux which is steamos is runnung all windows games in linux

[foggy jungle]

He's wrong.

[heady hamlet]

hes warm

[grave cove]

sus

[tawny jay]

he is demonstrating that he is not wrong

look at the video

[grave cove]

destiny 2 moment

[heady hamlet]

[jaunty wraith]

borked

[heady hamlet]

[tawny jay]

so steamdeck cant run these programs ?

[lament cairn]

yep]

unless it's on windows

[tawny jay]

i see

[foggy jungle]

Those two games represent a massive share in the PC gaming space, being by and large two of the most played franchises on PC to date.

[tawny jay]

you know that its a matter of time before steamdeck and steamos make it possible to run this?

[foggy jungle]

Possibly but Linux gamers have been saying that for decades now.

[grave cove]

mmm

[foggy jungle]

SteamOS/Steamdeck doesn't really tilt the odds in any particular direction.

[lament cairn]

in the case of cod:mw and destiny 2, it's up to the developers of those games

[foggy jungle]

Let me be clear, I want Linux to support gaming.

[grave cove]

they need cooperation from the game's developers as well

[foggy jungle]

I'm just acutely aware that there are certain restrictions at play that make this very difficult.

[grave cove]

If the devs don't care there's only so much you can do

[tawny jay]

and possiblities like that have been shrinking fast too

[foggy jungle]

10% of games on Steam are fully verified. 40% are unsupported. 40% are playable with some sort of modification. That does not bode well for Linux gaming in the future, and Valve has an uphill battle maintaining Proton, which essentially just wraps a huge amount of other tools to package up a usable abstraction layer.

[tawny jay]

i think my personal opinion that linux will be the defacto distro unless something major changes and we will not have an "please Activerate windows" aside our games 🙂

[foggy jungle]

I respect your opinion, that's not... what I'm getting at. I'm just saying that's been a long held belief and no major breakthroughs have occured in that field in many years.

As Windows becomes a more developer friendly environment, and especially with significant changes to RHEL's business model, I believe we're seeing a drastic shift towards Windows viability, not away from it.

[warped sentinel]

there has been a very noticeable improvement since Valve started investing into that space

[lament cairn]

isn't enough

[warped sentinel]

it's never enough 🙂

better than being on mac though

[foggy jungle]

Has there? Proton largely wraps packages that have not been touched in years.

I think the resurgence is a result of making the distribution more approachable from users.

[warped sentinel]

yeah there has. It was a lot more shitty and less polished before

now, I can just pick any game in my library and just play them

before, it either didn't work or there was some fiddling involved with wine

[foggy jungle]

I don't... think the statistics back up the case that the overwhelmingly vast majority of gamers could play their AAA games on Linux.

[warped sentinel]

I would be curious to see these stats if you have them

As far as I know, today, the main blockers are shit spywares like EAC

[foggy jungle]

https://activeplayer.io/top-15-most-popular-pc-games-of-2022/
I drew the 15 most popular PC games of 2023 (ignore the URL) from this source.
I further enumerated google searches to provide information from the above, using ProtonDB as the primary source for decisions, and supplementing that information from several Google searches of user reports for games that were not present on Steam/ProtonDB.
#ot1-perplexing-regexing message

[tawny jay]

With total respect, i have witnessed sun os migrate to solaris and then to nothing..... at the same time ive seen DOS the backslask hell survive because of (it works on all hardware ) reason. now Linux is 20+ years old its all over the place except the home and the display is as good as mac. So with all that I think it will soon become domanent

[foggy jungle]

90% of games are reported as 'unverified' by ProtonDB for Steam.

Admittedly 50% of those are reported as 'playable' <to some degree>

[warped sentinel]

tbh, unverified is fine from my experience

[heady hamlet]

i want to make a game

[warped sentinel]

Godot is great for that!

[grave cove]

go for it

[foggy jungle]

Display?

[heady hamlet]

i cant have time ive to practice for ielts first

[warped sentinel]

priorities

[heady hamlet]

prob ill make my dream game when im 60 years old

ill play undertale n sallyface when im 60 years old

[grave cove]

speaking of dreams

https://tenor.com/view/a-mimir-gif-21449019

[lament cairn]

fucking hate docker

[grave cove]

good night all

[lament cairn]

gn

[foggy jungle]

RHEL (and its derivatives) held the overwhelmingly vast majority of Linux market share. I don't foresee that changing substantially because of Stockholm syndrome, but their latest decisions present a significant turning point in what Linux will be in the future, and frankly, it's contrary to the premise of Linux in the first place.

[warped sentinel]

bg3 when?

[warped sentinel]

tbh RHEL has nothing to do with desktop

[foggy jungle]

No but it does with Linux's dominant space.

[heady hamlet]

whats bg3

[foggy jungle]

Oracle of all businesses put RHEL to the fire as they restricted derivative products of the redistribution of the source code, despite Linux being open-source at its very nature.

https://www.oracle.com/news/announcement/blog/keep-linux-open-and-free-2023-07-10/

[warped sentinel]

Baldur's gate 3

[foggy jungle]

Mr. Screven does not mince words.

[warped sentinel]

How so?

[warped sentinel]

Redhat isn't violating the gpl though. They still provide the source code to their customers

[foggy jungle]

Where is Linux's dominant space? I would purport enterprise Linux servers (And the distributions they run on, such as RHEL) make up a huge portion of Linux's market share.

[heady hamlet]

whats that

[warped sentinel]

still a change of stewardship

[warped sentinel]

the next best game ever

CRPG

[heady hamlet]

no sallyface is best

[foggy jungle]

IBM:

At Red Hat, thousands of people spend their time writing code to enable new features, fixing bugs, integrating different packages and then supporting that work for a long time … We have to pay the people to do that work.
Oracle:
Finally, to IBM, here’s a big idea for you. You say that you don’t want to pay all those RHEL developers? Here’s how you can save money: just pull from us. Become a downstream distributor of Oracle Linux. We will happily take on the burden.

[heady hamlet]

uh

[warped sentinel]

definitely dominant in the server space.
But throughout all my career, I haven't seen anyone paying redhat for anything, despite basing all their servers on derivatives

[foggy jungle]

You cannot base servers on derivatives anymore.

[warped sentinel]

try it and change your mind 😉

[foggy jungle]

The source code is no longer open, derivatives are being C&D'd and killed. CentOS, AlmaLinux, and Rocky Linux.

[heady hamlet]

sure ill try it when im 70

[warped sentinel]

the interesting part in the whole story is the "rhel compatible" part.
Otherwise, server side, people would still do fine with rhel dropping off the face of the earth with debian, sles, ubuntu

[warped sentinel]

Oracle is the shittiest company.
They are just vulture in this story

[foggy jungle]

They're a vulture but they're right.

I made this stance in another server and I'll double down here-- if you're calling Oracle out on being factually correct in this scenario, you're letting your detest for one company stifle valid criticism of another.

[heady hamlet]

so many thing around me r so negative

[warped sentinel]

Actions speak louder than words.
Their track of record makes it sound like a trap

[heady hamlet]

i dont want to be affected my em

[warped sentinel]

Learn godot and make a positive game

[heady hamlet]

sure ill do that when im in america

[foggy jungle]

You can learn programming anywhere

[tawny jay]

I mean the UI. the windows UI is fractured that you cant even make a ssh session do the same thing that it used to do on Win7. At some point on win8 - 10 they fucked up terminal UI. thats when i said Im full monty Linux

[foggy jungle]

Eh?

[heady hamlet]

if i make game in here ill die of hunger

[warped sentinel]

It's easy and fun to pick up. You should give it a try

[tawny jay]

Eh Yeh

[foggy jungle]

SSH works just fine on Windows 11, I have... no issues with it.

[warped sentinel]

I thought the display thing would go more towards the DPI and stuff

[tawny jay]

are you using screens ?

[heady hamlet]

ill die of poverty

[warped sentinel]

don't die of poverty. It's not fun

[foggy jungle]

No but I can try the next time I'm ssh'd into something.

[heady hamlet]

[tawny jay]

thats not what i said though. they messed up normal TTY stuff that most users wont see

[foggy jungle]

To be clear are you implying that SSH'ing into a Linux box from Windows and using screens doesn't work?
Or are you implying that there is no alternative for Screens on Windows (there is)

[tawny jay]

this is basic though

no im not saying that

im saying that normal operations on tty changed drasticly on putty and on cygyn post win8 that i could not solve it

[foggy jungle]

Such as what?

W10 (and subsequently W11) has made significant improvements to the terminal experience.

[tawny jay]

resizing events mostly but arrow up events

however why would they been affected at all?

so i gave up

[warped sentinel]

also finally added virtual desktops not too long ago

[foggy jungle]

Indeed. I'm not here to Windows fanboy, I don't... really have any grounds to do that-- most of my work is done in Linux.

But the work that I do do in Windows is... more or less identical if not improved.

[heady hamlet]

oh then u couldnt fix my win def bc my win def is window

[foggy jungle]

We told you what to do. You're just not interested in doing it.

[heady hamlet]

i have to reset window

dont i?

[foggy jungle]

yep.

And don't mess with your antivirus next time.

[heady hamlet]

ididnt mess wit h antivirus

[foggy jungle]

It's worth noting that there's other ways to fix this, but they're not idiomatic, and... there's a language barrier that makes providing advice and instructions exceedingly difficult on technical matters. That isn't to slight you, you speak English better than I speak any other language. But trying to enumerate more technical instructions across a language barrier is difficult.

[tawny jay]

yeh all my work is in linux too. and for the most part (until i adopted vscode over notepad++ for scrpts) my workflow was with samba.... but you have to thing that this is going against the grain of your work. but windows totally changes your workflow in whatever they want to do. so i left.

[foggy jungle]

Is it going against the grain of my work?

[tawny jay]

the tty codes and i dont know what changed ( spent tooo long on it) was the last straw

[heady hamlet]

enumerate

[tawny jay]

was for me

[heady hamlet]

enumerate is coolest thing in python

[foggy jungle]

Look I'm not here to convince you to switch from Windows. I'm saying personally, for me, it represents a very similar environment, and I don't really want for anything in Windows in comparison. OS wars aside, I have a high respect for the consistency of Linux. But there are caveats to utilizing Linux as a daily driver that present significant barriers to my total adoption.

[heady hamlet]

enumerate is coolest thing stickie gave me

[foggy jungle]

I much prefer virtualization, whether it be WSL2 or VMWare.

[tawny jay]

Similar in whgat way ?

[foggy jungle]

The way I interface with my terminal in Windows is the exact same as I would in Linux save some aliasing that I had to do on my own.

[heady hamlet]

it is that difficult?

[tawny jay]

There is nothing coding wise that is simplar

[foggy jungle]

Cat cat's. Ls ls's. Rm rm's. etc. Basic navigation in my terminal is identical. If I need anything different, I have the ability to, from the command line, invoke a full Linux shell.

there's nothing coding wise that is more complex.

[tawny jay]

its totally and annoying differet

[heady hamlet]

[tawny jay]

I implemented a builder in python on windows with jenkins which was total hell on windows and totally different on linux

[foggy jungle]

I cannot speak to your specific experiences.

[tawny jay]

but i can

[foggy jungle]

I am telling you that for me, the environment is the same if not improved.

That's fine.

[tawny jay]

lol

[foggy jungle]

But you're asserting as fact that Windows is worse for development. I'm telling you that in my experience, that is not true.

[heady hamlet]

hugging is the most comfortable thing ive ever done

hi godlygeek

[solid elbow]

I've gotta second being quite happy with WSL.

[heady hamlet]

[tawny jay]

coding a builder on windows is worse on windows because lack of bash and backslash for a file system delimitor and a bunch f ofther stuff like file permissions

[warped sentinel]

probably comes down more to a matter of preference and habits.
I cannot stand windows, despite trying when getting a new laptop

[tawny jay]

so better off not coding in dos

[heady hamlet]

@heady hamlet

thats bad

ill go study now n make u proud

[tawny jay]

its not even that. its a different planet when it comes to code. you have to write DOS system specific code vs linux specfic. At least mac has a sudo unix OS.

[warped sentinel]

what do you mean by DOS?
modern windows experience shouldn't involve DOS in any way

[tawny jay]

so how do you access a drive D: vs drive E:

[warped sentinel]

terminal, powershell, WSL

[tawny jay]

no

fail

powershell is not python specific

[warped sentinel]

does it have to be?

[foggy jungle]

[tawny jay]

well that is my point exactly ... it should be

[warped sentinel]

ipython can be interesting in that regard

[tawny jay]

no

fail

[warped sentinel]

that escalated quickly

[foggy jungle]

D:\

Encompasses my emotions quite well.

[solid elbow]

but you have bash in WSL

[tawny jay]

so write some code that is portable that is /home/src/git/myfile that is on windows and unix and mac ?

that is where you will sturggle

[warped sentinel]

that's why you have abstractions like https://www.baeldung.com/java-file-vs-file-path-separator

[tawny jay]

and its windows that you will fail

[foggy jungle]

I mean this ultimately points to you enjoying the syntax of Linux more, not wanting to write support into your applications, or being unwilling to learn Powershell.

Or an amalgam of all three I suppose.

[tawny jay]

its IBM syntax not mine

[warped sentinel]

yeah, I am totally like that. We don't give a shit about windows. Our stuff works on Unix and we are okay with it

[foggy jungle]

And that's fine.

It's okay to not support Windows.

If your application user base is in Linux, then... that makes sense.

[tawny jay]

im lost so we agree?

[warped sentinel]

we have decided you agree with us

you just don't know it yet

[tawny jay]

lol ok i well conside that we all agree with us that i 1st postulated

[warped sentinel]

even mac is another shitshow

and that's okay

[foggy jungle]

Developers lamenting cross-platform support is a tale as old as time.

[warped sentinel]

even GNU/Linux

you cannot really write your scripts for bash

because bash isn't universal nor the standard

you are still beholden to some shitty sh script

[foggy jungle]

If anyone needs me I'll be fighting trying to get Pystack to work locally.

[solid elbow]

Having some trouble?

[foggy jungle]

Mountains but none that I'm going to raise an issue with yet, I just thought it was a cute jab.

[tawny jay]

what is the problem Pystack with ?

[warped sentinel]

btw, when is the second podcast coming out?

[solid elbow]

Uh, soon, I think...

[warped sentinel]

nice!

Looking forward to it

[solid elbow]

Should be a week or two, I think

[solid elbow]

It shouldn't take much more than a pip install... What sort of environment are you trying this in?

If it's containerized, the problem might be that you need to grant ptrace permissions for attaching to arbitrary processes.

[noble phoenix]

i need a podcast to listen to

i was going to start with the joe rogan one but that shit has thousands of eps and i'm just too behind

[foggy jungle]

Yeah-- I'm using Remnux, if you're curious I'll take another stab at it here in the near future and let you know the results.

[warped sentinel]

that's for normies.
There are plenty more interesting podcasts like freakonomics or talkpython.fm

[foggy jungle]

IIRC something was at odds with the existent libw/libelf.

[solid elbow]

I have absolutely no idea what that is... But I am curious.

[solid elbow]

That ought to only matter if you're doing a build from source... It shouldn't affect the wheels that are published to PyPI

Assuming that thing is a manylinux or musllinux anyway

[noble phoenix]

pycharm has finished downloading, vscode was being weird

[foggy jungle]

huh. Worked this time. I wonder if I was invoking it with the wrong Python version.

[solid elbow]

🤷‍♂️

[foggy jungle]

🤷

[solid elbow]

I'll take a win however I get it 🙂

looks like remnux is ubuntu based, and should be fine with manylinux wheels

oh! Maybe, possibly, you're on an aarch64 box?

[foggy jungle]

It's VMWare so it shouldn't be unless I'm real dumb.

[solid elbow]

that doesn't virtualize your instruction set, normally

I'm not even sure if it can - but if it could it'd be way slower

[foggy jungle]

Yeah, I had a recent plight with that trying to spin up something anyway.
But no, it's standard x86

[solid elbow]

well, then... hm. No clue what problem you might have been having, but glad you are no longer having it 😄

[foggy jungle]

I'll document results somewhere the next time that I get around to trying it-- looking at using it for some obfuscated malware to see if I can glean anything a little more user friendly than the endless torrent of my audit hooks.

[solid elbow]

It should be able to show Python stack, C stack, and local variables' names and values. I'd be willing to bet that the C stack and local variables will be much more useful to you than the Python stack

[foggy jungle]

Indeed, it's a tinker-project ultimately, but anything that can make pulling apart arbitrary obfuscation a little more consistent and user friendly is going to be a major win.

[noble phoenix]

always the cyber security bros making me feel confused and vunlrable

[solid elbow]

https://bloomberg.github.io/pystack/ is the tool we're talking about

[foggy jungle]

I'm a lovable idiot. I don't think it's any stretch of the imagination to state that I truly have no idea what I'm doing, I'm just trying things and learning.

[solid elbow]

it can attach to a running Python process and tell you what it's doing. Or attach to the core file of a crashed process and tell you what it was doing when it crashed. It's a project I maintain for work

[noble phoenix]

doesn't dis do something similar?

[solid elbow]

no

[noble phoenix]

nevermind that is a specific symbols this seems much more complex

[tawny jay]

probably flogging a dead horse here but this WSL is a relatively new approach to windows. And its a reaction the movement which is AWAY FROM WINDOWS. Like me. I boot into windows to play 1 or 2 games. I find Linux UI far better and simplae things i do all day work as expected. In windows terminal actions would just not work between updates which is really concerning

[noble phoenix]

that's cool

[solid elbow]

"probably", lol

[foggy jungle]

Pystack is pretty darn cool, all things considered. Most of the people dabbling in lower level implementation stuff like this might as well be invoking the dark arts in my mind.

[solid elbow]

yes, WSL is fairly new. It's a virtual machine, which is very nicely integrated into Windows. I don't think much about the UI one way or another - the UI of Linux or Windows are both nearly identical to me, since I do almost all of my work in either a web browser or a terminal. As long as I have a modern browser and a modern terminal, I'm happy.

[foggy jungle]

Also... this is silly but oh-my-posh dramatically increased my opinion of Windows Terminal lol

[solid elbow]

like oh-my-zsh but for powershell?

[warped sentinel]

It won't convince me to use Windows, but meh, whatever floats your boat

[foggy jungle]

I think that's the intention, but iirc it's just branded as a generic theme engine for shells.

[tawny jay]

not a great speller

[foggy jungle]

[solid elbow]

I wasn't poking fun at your spelling, I was poking fun at the suggestion that the horse might not be dead. 🙂

[thick ore]

yoooo rem got the rtx 4080

[warped sentinel]

you changed your wallpaper from last time?

[foggy jungle]

Yes because I don't consider what I'm doing before I'm doing it and I absolutely would've posted something wildly inappropriate for PyDis without thinking.

[warped sentinel]

where is the fun in that?

[noble phoenix]

5 days ew

i remember i had my laptop running for like 80

good times

[foggy jungle]

Windows uptime is kinda'... inaccurate.

[solid elbow]

I mean, I'm a Unix developer. I don't do any Windows development, but for years I ssh'd from my Windows desktop in to servers to work, and now I spin up a VM from my Windows laptop to work, and the experience is nearly identical and I'm quite happy. I ran Linux on personal laptops for years, but the power management story is still such garbage compared to either Windows or macOS or Chrome OS (or at least it was when I last tried)

I'm happily typing this from a $100 chromebook that gets 12 hours of battery life and runs a Linux VM for anything I want to play with

(although, granted, I haven't actually figured out how to get pystack to work on crostini yet...)

[foggy jungle]

That sounds like a dramatic edgecase lol

[tawny jay]

haha yeh def ironic.

[solid elbow]

not so much. It is Linux, albeit virtualized, but the issue is the locked-down-edness of the Chrome environment. It's just spinning up the container (not VM, I meant container) with flags that disable ptracing arbitrary processes. Which is a perfectly sane security measure, but not a developer-friendly one

[warped sentinel]

I still find windows a subpar experience to something like fedora + KDE.
But I am okay with it being attributed to how it works closer to my way of thinking and feeling more natural.

I have had my fair share of issues having to deal with my partner's windows

[solid elbow]

I'm perfectly comfortable with a Windows machine or a Linux machine. Just don't give me Mac 😅

[foggy jungle]

Ah that makes sense.

[noble phoenix]

aye i love macs, whats wrong with macs?

[solid elbow]

I don't have any idea how to use them

[warped sentinel]

After trying Gnome for a few weeks (didn't stick), it did came to me that Gnome is also a better mac UI in its own way

[solid elbow]

they pretend to be Unix, but their standards compliance is practically malicious. They go out of their way to be as unusable as possible while still following the standards

[tawny jay]

They have werid Keys ?

[foggy jungle]

I think ptrace is the source of substantial annoyance with gdb I had awhile ago

[solid elbow]

almost certainly

[noble phoenix]

how so?

----------------------
Starting similarity test between user Bob and user Alice
----------------------
Alice AND Bob bought a
Alice AND Bob bought b
Bob bought c but Alice did not.
Bob and Alice are similar users. Recommending c to Alice
``` look a shitty reccomendation system

[solid elbow]

tools that anyone used to doing development on Linux or BSD expects to have available just aren't there on mac, or behave differently

[tawny jay]

They dont make enough colors

[solid elbow]

and macs have a bunch of security features that can make running Unix apps hell

[graceful basin]

I do remember doing my networking project on mac assuming that unix would carry it to linux in a way that would work. It did not, at all, I had to rewrite half the code.

[solid elbow]

[noble phoenix]

oh wow

i've never worked with linux dedicated so i wouldn't know

[warped sentinel]

macs are a pain

[solid elbow]

I got to write some of the absolute most horrific code of my life recently in order to fix a problem introduced by new versions of macOS....

[foggy jungle]

Having a fairly in depth look at most of the Python packages that exist on the Internet, there are some exceedingly creative ways to work around a lot of cross-platform compatibility that I've seen.

[warped sentinel]

setting builders, deployment, all the way to the APIs supported

[graceful basin]

also the window management is solving a problem that I have never even seen, and in its path to solve it it breaks most of my habits.

[solid elbow]

https://github.com/bloomberg/memray/blob/e7ccddacb1d0464e91641ab7119a1e20b590c1a6/src/memray/_memray/macho_shenanigans.cpp#L69-L77

[royal lake]

src/memray/_memray/macho_shenanigans.cpp lines 69 to 77

static uint64_t
lazy_pointer_from_stub(uint64_t vaddr)
{
    // We messed with dark forces and we offended the macOS gods and now it is
    // time to pay the price in blood. This function analyzes the machine code
    // of a PLT entry in the __stubs or __auth_stubs section of a shared
    // library that is part of the shared cache and returns the address of the
    // GOT entry that contains the address of the symbol we are looking for.
    // Unfortunately doing this is as crazy as it sounds.```

[solid elbow]

I'm very proud of this code, despite the absolute horror of it 😄

[warped sentinel]

and the pun

[noble phoenix]

lmfao

[solid elbow]

that one is all Pablo, heh

[noble phoenix]

i'm sorry if i'm being a dyslexic fuck but

is this a recomendation engine but at a low low LOW level?

from user import User


def similarity(user1: User, user2: User):
    print("----------------------")
    print(f"Starting similarity test between user {user1.name} and user {user2.name}")
    print("----------------------")
    similar_count = 0
    similar_users = False
    for product in user1.purchased_products:
        if user2.purchased_products.__contains__(product):
            print(f"{user2.name} AND {user1.name} bought {product}")
            similar_count += 1
            if similar_count >= 2:
                similar_users = True
        else:
            print(f"{user1.name} bought {product} but {user2.name} did not.")
            if similar_users:
                print(f"{user1.name} and {user2.name} are similar users. Recommending {product} to {user2.name}")

[solid elbow]

this is the first time in my career where attempting to parse machine code instructions was the best, most maintainable option

[foggy jungle]

I enjoy entertaining comments when I'm browsing some random code.

[tawny jay]

I remember the 90s where mac had the colors that you could choose from. It felt like gouache bags (yeh had to look it up) comes to computers.

[graceful basin]

This reminds me of my own recent discovery, in that CPython parses its own bytecode at runtime to validate debugger jumps.

[solid elbow]

my general professional dev attitude is that the more something fucked up my day, the longer the comment it gets is. If I have to rewrite something for the 3rd time, that comment is probably a paragraph or two long

[noble phoenix]

lmfaooo

[solid elbow]

ooh, that's interesting

[noble phoenix]

W way honestly

[foggy jungle]

I produced my first "oh my docstring is longer than the function" function recently.

[graceful basin]

https://github.com/python/cpython/blob/3.10/Objects/frameobject.c#L124

[royal lake]

Objects/frameobject.c line 124

markblocks(PyCodeObject *code_obj, int len)```

[noble phoenix]

what does the function do?

[solid elbow]

the comments in that function I just linked above are because we started a week with a "oh god Memray on macOS is broken and we don't know how to fix it", we committed to spending a week trying to figure out if it was even fixable, and we spent 3 days straight debugging and hacking and got something shippable at the end of it. That comment was the "screwed up a whole week" sort of comment, heh

[graceful basin]

it parses bytecode and outputs a stack of blocks for each bytecode (the stack is each a 64 bit signed int), where a block is one of with loop try except

it is truly incredible and I am excited to port this to graalpy

[foggy jungle]

I thought this was cute in the world of parsing bytecode... kinda.

def recurse_decode(instr):
    my_bytecode = dis.Bytecode(decode_func(instr))
    for my_bytes in my_bytecode:
        if my_bytes.opname == 'LOAD_CONST':
            if isinstance(my_bytes.argval,bytes):
                if len(my_bytes.argval) > 300:
                    recurse_decode(my_bytes.argval)
            else:
                for my_bytes in my_bytecode:
                    if my_bytes.opname == 'LOAD_CONST':
                        decode_func(my_bytes.argval)``` Ignore that awful indentation mess, this was just thrown together to try and work through 64 layers of ` # _ = lambda __ : __import__('marshal').loads(__import__('zlib').decompress(__import__('base64').b64decode(__[::-1])))`

[warped sentinel]

might as well implement collaborative filtering directly. It's simple enough and worth the improvement

[graceful basin]

that is a pretty cool function

[foggy jungle]

It never actually worked. I tinkered with it for awhile.

There's some pretty clear issues that I think I actually fixed, but uh-- I no longer have the file that I was working on.

It eventually spit out what I needed, I just never got to the point where I disassembled the final LOAD_CONST.

Copy paste wins the day once again

[noble phoenix]

what's that?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recommender_system

found it

[warped sentinel]

it's a way to predict how much you would like something based on other users

[noble phoenix]

ohhhh

i will add that

[warped sentinel]

the math behind collaborative filtering at the basic level are pretty simple and straightforward

nothing fancy

[foggy jungle]

https://github.com/import-pandas-as-numpy/snakehook/blob/main/snakehook/snakehook.py#L28
Here's a recent one.

[royal lake]

snakehook/snakehook.py line 28

# Globals because audit hooks are the dark arts.```

[noble phoenix]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/52/Collaborative_filtering.gif/440px-Collaborative_filtering.gif

[warped sentinel]

no license. Can't read it

[foggy jungle]

You retroactively agreed to sell me your house upon reading. It's in the fine print.

[warped sentinel]

good thing I didn't read it then

[foggy jungle]

Drat foiled again.

[solid elbow]

you can read it, just not use it or copy it 🙂

[warped sentinel]

technically I would be concerned about potential claims of derivative work based on the reading

[foggy jungle]

Feel free to steal my scuffed audit event handler.

[warped sentinel]

I also, I could sell @foggy jungle my house. But can they afford it?

[foggy jungle]

No, given that I know the housing price relative to the geographic location in which you reside is likely astronomical.

Granted that could be anywhere in the world at the moment.

[warped sentinel]

I mean, I could be in Fresno

[foggy jungle]

Is Fresno not a nice place?

I knew someone from Fresno.

[warped sentinel]

not as nice as SF or Seattle

[foggy jungle]

I would love to live in Seattle some day tbh.

[warped sentinel]

best time to move

[foggy jungle]

I got trapped in SEATAC airport for nearly a month while I was waiting on some paperwork stuff.

[warped sentinel]

prices only go up

[foggy jungle]

Well near SEATAC

[solid elbow]

the best time to plant a tree was 20 years ago, the second best time is now

[foggy jungle]

Lived in some dingy hotel but the city was nice. Got some time to go adventure.

[warped sentinel]

so many things to do around there

[foggy jungle]

I'm not used to being around... things, I guess.

My entire adult life has been spent residing in the middle of absolutely nowhere.

[heady hamlet]

adult

[warped sentinel]

A change of pace could be fun

[foggy jungle]

If my college application part two gets accepted, I should move.

[warped sentinel]

There are tons of social, tech and outdoor activities all along the coast

best coast

[foggy jungle]

There aren’t a lot of job opportunities around here.

[heady hamlet]

[foggy jungle]

Finding entry level cybersecurity jobs or internships has been less than stellar.

I found a fully remote one but they’re… not paying a whole lot for the amount of work they seem to want.

[heady hamlet]

[warped sentinel]

we ship our cybersecurity interns onsite

and we pay them for that

[foggy jungle]

That’s refreshing. I was looking at some CrowdStrike jobs. I’m not sure if I’m setting my expectations too high, but cybersecurity offerings in the discipline I’m interested in are not excellent for entry level employees

[heady hamlet]

[foggy jungle]

At this point I’ve just been aggregating jobs and tallying requirements.

[warped sentinel]

I would be suspicious of any company who has a gartner magic quadrant as the first thing on their main page

[heady hamlet]

[foggy jungle]

What do you have against quadrants

[warped sentinel]

companies sort of pay to be on gartner and co

[foggy jungle]

I don’t actually know what that means I think.

Google didn’t avail me with much.

[warped sentinel]

gartner and co have a basic set of criteria. But beyond that, it's pay to play

you pay to be on their quadrant

and pay to have "more" outcome

same way you pay bloggers to talk about you

[foggy jungle]

Seems lucrative.

[warped sentinel]

they are doing very well

[foggy jungle]

I will compromise my blog integrity for enough money.

[warped sentinel]

and you would not be the first one to do so

a lot of things you hear about companies... is not natural. It's paid for

[foggy jungle]

I’ve got a list of topics I wish to blog about but not enough knowledge in those topics to not seem like… Charlie Day with the red lines.

And I kind of take that for granted at this point tbf

[warped sentinel]

It has never stopped anyone. This is so true based on what I have seen: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxdDVAv6QDY

That's also why I cannot watch the tv show silicon valley

[foggy jungle]

The way that guy talks is my internal monologue for anyone asking me about quant at home.

[noble phoenix]

Alice AND Bob bought a
Alice AND Bob bought b
Similar user threshold reached
Bob bought c but Alice did not.
Bob and Alice are similar users. Recommending c to Alice
Bob bought d but Alice did not.
Bob and Alice are similar users. Recommending d to Alice
Bob bought e but Alice did not.
Bob and Alice are similar users. Recommending e to Alice
Bob bought f but Alice did not.
Bob and Alice are similar users. Recommending f to Alice
``` scuffed

[foggy jungle]

Similar users.

Lgtm

[noble phoenix]

lmfao

from user import User


def similarity(user1: User, user2: User):

    print("----------------------")
    print(f"Starting similarity test between user {user1.name} and user {user2.name}")
    print("----------------------")

    similar_count = 0
    similar_users = False

    for product in user1.purchased_products:
        if user2.purchased_products.__contains__(product):
            print(f"{user2.name} AND {user1.name} bought {product}")
            similar_count += 1
            if similar_count >= 2:
                print(f"Similar user threshold reached")
                similar_users = True
        else:
            print(f"{user1.name} bought {product} but {user2.name} did not.")
            if similar_users:
                print(f"{user1.name} and {user2.name} are similar users. Recommending {product} to {user2.name}")
            else:
                print(f"Not similar users... Checking next product")

``` mm i love a scuffed reccoemdnation engine that would normally take 1000s of lines and models and data to make being made in 27

[foggy jungle]

Random bedtime thought: it’s insane to me that C++ doesn’t have a package management solution a la PyPI.

[noble phoenix]

threshold = len(user2.purchased_products) - 1 !❓

[foggy jungle]

Or poetry I guess.

Cmake is… strange.

[noble phoenix]

userbased is kinda weird

[warped sentinel]

like conan?

[noble phoenix]

class Movie:
    title: str
    director: str
    lead_actor: str
    genre: str
    duration: str
``` what else should i take into account

[solid elbow]

forget downloading packages like PyPI can. C++ doesn't even have a good solution for determining what packages are installed, and how to build against them

[noble phoenix]

i'm going to take two movies that the user has watched and do sexy math

and try to create a model that the reccoemnded movie should be similar to

similar lead actor genre averages of the durtation

and then go through the db and try to find the best match

[warped sentinel]

start simple to it's easier to double check your math

[noble phoenix]

hmm

[warped sentinel]

you can always add more attributes later on

[noble phoenix]

yes

[warped sentinel]

I agree

[noble phoenix]

shitty thing is i need a lot of data

to find the most common watched director, actor, etc

[warped sentinel]

keep it simple and stupid

[noble phoenix]

hmm

[warped sentinel]

generate random data too if it helps

[noble phoenix]

thats what i'm doing

[heady hamlet]

[warped sentinel]

could also add some biases for fun here and there

[noble phoenix]

5 movies should be enough

[heady hamlet]

im very evil

[noble phoenix]

how do you type hint a list with a type of variable?

movies: list if movies only has entries of type Movie

[heady hamlet]

#❓｜how-to-get-help

[lament cairn]

movies: list[Movie] i think

[solid elbow]

yep

[heady hamlet]

[noble phoenix]

yep thats it

[opaque ivy]

well, who’s fault is that [ NoT sErIoUs DiScLaMeR 🚨 ]

[spare oriole]

yours, fix it

[opaque ivy]

its a work in progress

[uneven pine]

It's me

[viscid hemlock]

Update: Chrome has started purging its caches and cookies, logging me out of almost all websites 😩

[vale raven]

Very

[thick ore]

this was like 1-2 days ago
i thought you'd done something about it atp

[vale raven]

Automatically?

[harsh tundra]

My solution before that is to clear history, select from all time but only cached stuff

[viscid hemlock]

All I know is that I am "conveniently" logged out of a ton of websites I'm trying to access, and most of them have forgotten my preferences such as light/dark theme

😅

[thick ore]

who said windows didn't have privacy features?

[spice yew]

full with what?

[tardy rain]

i just had to log in to nvidia to update my drivers

[robust zephyr]

i've never had that experience

just downloaded the latest drivers without logging in from here https://www.nvidia.com/Download/index.aspx?lang=en-us

[tardy rain]

i got their desktop app and it had me login

which is bullshit honestly

[short skiff]

yeah the geforce experience app sucks

or whatever it's called

but it is useful because you can get your drivers auto-updated

[robust zephyr]

yeah don't use the app

website works forever and won't install garbage software

[noble phoenix]

anyone got a podcast rec?

[tranquil iron]

hardcore history

[noble phoenix]

whats it bout

[tranquil iron]

it's about history. hardcore history!

[lethal glacier]

@high verge virgin

[rough sapphire]

?

[uneven pine]

The Magnus Archives - horror
Welcome to Night Vale - fiction/comedy/drama
Ostium - mystery
Wake of corrosion - horror/drama
The Sleep Wake Cycle - lower budget horror/drama
Unseen - modern day Harry Potter type stuff, it's kind of interesting but sometimes bland. Only 10 eps iirc.
Alice isn't Dead - thriller/drama/mystery
Within the Wires - mystery/drama/thriller. Each season is a different story

I'm trying to think of others I've finished

Oh, Hello from the Magic Tavern - raunchy comedy, improvised

[high verge]

any tech related podcasts like for swe and stuff

[uneven pine]

I just listen to talk python and python bytes

[sullen pier]

I was wondering why my !remind hasnt arrived...
#bot-commands message
Turns out 30m means 30 months

[high verge]

unconventional design

30 months should be 30mo

[noble phoenix]

thanks :))

i'm going to start with serial

love myself some crime

[tranquil iron]

don't do crimes

[heady lion]

yay, I finally set up Ansible to deploy a bunch of Prometheus metrics exporters across our whole network of machines

the devops imposter syndrome is fading

now to figure out how to configure the prometheus installation role to actually respect idempotency...

[grave cove]

i too have been screwing with prometheus today

[heady lion]

Oh yeah? Spill da deets

[grave cove]

nothing like what you're doing just metrics for one of my apps

[heady lion]

I haven't used prometheus to do metric collection from apps, right now i just have it connected to node exporters (system stats) with a few alerts enabled

[grave cove]

ah system stats

Yeah I'm using prometheus-client to export app metrics in FastAPI, it'st pretty neat really

[heady lion]

Ooh the client lib is slick

I am going to have to retool a flask app to support prometheus metrics soon

Reqs / minute, open DB sessions, that sorta thing

[robust zephyr]

[heady lion]

[grave cove]

Yeah they have native support for flask

[heady lion]

So cute. I just gotta get an Ansible role set up to do SSH tunnels automatically then I'm good to roll this bad boy out

Half our boxes are on one VPN but none of the cloud boxes are 😵‍💫

Something something something airgapping

[heady lion]

Apparently emacs' project.el saves your recently opened remote projects by file path. Meaning it saves TRAMP sessions as well. Meaning yesterday (setting up TRAMP) was the last time I'll ever have to ssh into my mainframe. Crazy

[uneven pine]

I have neither GFE or whatever the fuck AMDs is called now on my system

Just do base driver installs

[noble phoenix]

I was going to try to setup prometheus to my personal website

It looked like too much work so I just ended up using google anyalisitics

it's not better or as detaield but it tells me what i want to know

[heady hamlet]

hi

[noble phoenix]

hi

Since the market is closed I'll work on a different project for now. Instead of going into depression trying to create a 3D terrain in OpenGL with C I'll rather go into depression using Java which is comparitively worse.

https://www.lwjgl.org/ Seems nice

Of course I can go the https://libgdx.com/ route and have a API configured for me but what's the fun in that. I like the pain

[thick ore]

java 😭

[warped sentinel]

java is awesome and so much easier than C though

[noble phoenix]

Yeah but it's java

also the website doesn't let me download while on mobile hostspot, proxy issues so i've just been listening to a podcast till work gets over

i think they forgot to give me work today

[noble phoenix]

only reason i'm doing java is cause i need it for school

i would've been happier to do it in C or C++

C is more fun though

[warped sentinel]

c/c++ are so outdated

it's boomer technology

[acoustic moss]

so true bestie

[noble phoenix]

yeah but C is so much fun to work with

don't you love the debugged ⁉️

[warped sentinel]

no

I like to get stuff done

[noble phoenix]

fair fair

i've honestly worked with C for the sole reason that it looks good

look i made something in C

even if it's basic its in ✨ C ✨

[warped sentinel]

I would find java or scala more fun

they are more expressive

[noble phoenix]

on other news my school changed all of our email passwords but 1-2 people havent had theirs changed

it's weird to say the least

[acoustic moss]

when we first got our school emails (in like 5th grade) we had to set our passwords to our mother's name

[noble phoenix]

by fun i mean it's C it shows skill

[noble phoenix]

lmfao

[acoustic moss]

turns out many people know their friends' mother's names

[noble phoenix]

of course

[acoustic moss]

who could have known

[noble phoenix]

i know most of my friends mothers names

[warped sentinel]

doesn't show more skills at all

[noble phoenix]

the parents group has a shared google sheet with details of parents, addresses and selected subjects

shit is a goldmine

lwjgl has downloaded

[acoustic moss]

one of my friends uni has an excel sheet for whos dating whom

wait i phrased that wrong

[noble phoenix]

put that shit in obsidian and make a graph

[acoustic moss]

the students made the sheet, not the uni

[noble phoenix]

yeah i'm aware

that's nice though yk you know who not to go for

2 dudes had a shared gsheet rating every girl in the grade /10 with graphs and specific notes

got leaked and they got suspended

[acoustic moss]

thats just creepy

yeah

deserved

[noble phoenix]

this is a grade junior to me

notes as in describing the redeeming factors and overtly sexualising girls

[noble phoenix]

very much

GLFW may only be used on the main thread and that thread must be the first thread in the process. Please run the JVM with -XstartOnFirstThread. This check may be disabled with Configuration.GLFW_CHECK_THREAD0.

I am using the -XstartOnFirstThread to run it?

is this not how you do it

alright turns out vm options are different but it still doesn't work?

[warped sentinel]

why are you using a 10 years old version of java?

[noble phoenix]

good point

bruh i legit have it in my vm options

fuck java

[warped sentinel]

you shouldn't have to mess with these options tbh

[thick ore]

lmao in our school, account passwords were our birthdays

by default

[next cargo]

😔

[tranquil iron]

that seems less than secure

[high haven]

wednesday

not as bad as monday

not as good as tuesday

weekend when

🍃

[tranquil iron]

'tis hump day

[high haven]

🐪

[tranquil iron]

do you favor one hump or two?

[high haven]

🐫

[hidden storm]

I fear that ai in the next 20 years will replace us not now now its not that good but in 20 years its definitely replacing us any thoughts

[grave cove]

i too know your mother's name

[high verge]

that was devious af

[tranquil iron]

only people who worry about being replaced by AI will be replaced by AI

[grave cove]

just be better than ai

[tranquil iron]

that's not exactly a high bar

[grave cove]

true

[tardy rain]

I pray not to be around in 20 years for QI to replace me

Surely by then I'll have my very own cabin in the woods

[graceful trench]

real

[hidden storm]

So it will replace most of us

[hidden storm]

In 20 years it will

[tardy rain]

What are people supposed to do if it does replace us in 20 years

And who is "us"

[grave cove]

then just be better than ai in 20 years

it still won't be difficult

you're sentient, you can think, innovate, and be creative
AI simply cannot do that

[hidden storm]

But it evolves and gets better evert secound

[high haven]

ai doomer talk sigh

[grave cove]

so do humans

also i don't think AI is becoming sentient any time soon

it can get better but there's a limit

[high haven]

i work with ai and i dont think having this doomer attitude is beneficial. instead, we should learn the limitations and work alongside ai to use it to solve problems

[tranquil iron]

I'm ok with people having a doomer attitude as that will reduce my competition

on the other hand, it may make hiring more difficult

so it's probably a wash in the end

[high haven]

and this has been rmah's hot takes

back to the news

jk

[tranquil iron]

🙂

[hidden storm]

So there is a limitation what or where is it

And I won't participate in ai doom anymore because I was warned by the mod

[high haven]

there are inherent limitations to these tools and the best way to find out is to use them.

[high haven]

good. i think having a more balanced approach is more healthy anyways

[hidden storm]

Ok

[robust zephyr]

is graphic gamer a bot? i keep seeing them post the same stuff over and over

[tardy rain]

yes

you can freely assume anyone who joins a tech related server and doomposts first thing is a bot

you cannot convince me otherwise

[hidden storm]

Nope not a bot I am just,scared of ai lol

[tranquil iron]

yo

[hidden storm]

Hello

Let's start ok

[viscid hemlock]

Hey! Update 2

I found the cause: Docker taking up 60 gigabytes for no reason

Probably just a huge amount of caches, as I have pruned in the past

Moved the underlying Disk image location to a harddrive with a terrabyte of space, so Docker can enjoy the highlife

Now... I just need to figure out what to do with the old data lol

Instant 40 GBs 😎

[tranquil iron]

um, why don't you just delete the unnecessary files?

[viscid hemlock]

I couldn't find any, I have cleared my downloads and have no games installed on my boot drive. I am looking further though, and for some reason Appdata\Local\Programs\Python is several gigabytes lol

Is my temp folder meant to be 25 gigabytes?!

It's just filled with Docker icons damm

[cunning spire]

help?

[robust zephyr]

you forgot to open the literal string with a quote

the red lines give you a clue about where the problem is

[cunning spire]

thank you

[high haven]

thanks for this. i also just freed 40GB lol

uninstalled some apps, deleted a ton of data, etc.

[viscid hemlock]

Don't mind my GBs of Python packages in various vens and Python installations

[high haven]

"why do you have python 2"

"bruh"

"dont ask"

[tranquil iron]

always ask

[tardy rain]

they pay me to

i wish it wasnt so

[high haven]

gets notification
checks phone

[young shoal]

😩

[high verge]

css and html are stupidly annoying

like just work bro

[zealous comet]

At school I should have failed this school year but somehow I didn't. I don't even know how because my grades should've meant just failed not even lets discuss it but somehow they did discuss it and well I didn't fail this school year

[lament cairn]

nice

...?

[heady hamlet]

hi

[thick ore]

am i experiencing derealization

or is this just short term memory loss

idk seriously

oh so it is derealization

how do i stop this

i'm not mentally ill

i can still function normally

nothing bad can happen if i just ignore it lo

[modest meteor]

Hey guys, I have a google drive folder synced on my windows machine to store all my general code bases (I don't use github because it involves a lot of files, python environments and so on) I want to get this folder on my VPS directly and I want its changes reflected on Google drive, what is a good software for this for linux (backup and sync by Google drive does not support linux) ? I'm doing this so that I can access these files through vscode server when I'm on my tablet.

[lament cairn]

I found these: https://rclone.org/commands/rclone_sync/ https://rclone.org/commands/rclone_mount/
you can use one of those to make a bidirectional sync on your server

don't ask me how exactly though. I have no idea what rclone is, but it's what showed up most often after some googling

[thick ore]

what is sin x = 0

where x is not 0

i'm trying to find a value where i can reset x to without any noticeable jumps

x increases over time

[acoustic moss]

n*pi for all integer n

[thick ore]

yoooo thx

math cat at it again

[high verge]

yeah that can be scary. imo it helps to avoid content that questions existence bc it will lead to shit like this

what helps me when i'm having a derealization episode is finding some way to distract myself

[thick ore]

yea that's what i did

played a few rounds of valo and i think i'm fine

now

[noble phoenix]

Roll your own!

[small coral]

some info r/place turned live

[thick ore]

perfect time to write r/place bots guys

[robust zephyr]

2023 the year of our lord and savior, Randy "Macho Man" Savage
visiting reddit

[onyx ingot]

Hey there all.
I today was tearing a 2014's laptop in the thought of cleaning it and giving it a new life. But the problem was a stripped screw which forced me to.. well... I cracked the motherboard but, in a place I think where it's not that crucial and was wondering if it's a good idea to perhaps continue using the laptop? By the little looks of what part of the mobo is lifted off ('cause it's still screwed together) it was in control of the right side 1 USB port and the CD ROM connection and didn't seem to have any traces in control of anything critical like the single ATA connection. Because I don't know if it's even posting but if it shouldn't then I want to know early if I should recycle the poor thing. Thanks to whom it may concern reading!

[grave cove]

if it works it works

[onyx ingot]

The LED does turn on when I connect it to the wall indicating that it's on

[robust zephyr]

there is a laptop discord you could ask that might have more input

https://www.reddit.com/r/SuggestALaptop/comments/729bks/introducing_the_suggestalaptop_discord/

[onyx ingot]

Think it's a no-go

[acoustic moss]

wreck it, ralph

[onyx ingot]

The most appropriate time to say that lol

[proven ermine]

have you tried turning it off and on again?

[high verge]

wtf 💀looks like a kitkat ngl

[sinful breach]

😱😱😱

[thick osprey]

I'm not a hardware guru but I think you might be missing a mounting screw there.

[clear plume]

Idk I’m no expert but I think there is a small problem

[onyx ingot]

I think there is a huge problem..

[heady lion]

You can have those traces re-soldered by Friday, right?

[onyx ingot]

Negative

[heady lion]

Lol

Boss' orders

[tardy rain]

World's ugliest logo contender

[proven ermine]

neither does it show any resemblance of a door, let alone a glass door

[tardy rain]

Its the g and d supposedly but all i see is someone crying and raising their eyebrow

[proven ermine]

I just see a comma and a closing apostrophe

[tranquil iron]

those aren't g and d

[solemn tulip]

reminds me of google hangouts

[young shoal]

it's google hangouts but it's flipped bruh

[honest star]

In the year 2023, and Southwest is only now beginning to roll out chargers to their planes? jfc, never flying SW again

[grave cove]

🥴

[honest star]

like come on, May 2023???

[young shoal]

😬

plugs in phone
crashes on takeoff

[honest star]

They don't even have in-seat entertainment. They tell you to use your phone. So I guess just kill your phone battery?

[young shoal]

just get an android 😤

[grave cove]

i don't think most domestic flights have in seat entertainment, at least none of the ones i've been on

[young shoal]

yeah

[grave cove]

unless you mean the free movie collection or whatever they give you by connecting to the plane wifi

[honest star]

I do have an android, but my flights are also 3+ hours =P

[young shoal]

replace battery 👍

[honest star]

your phone can do movies and shows for 3+ hours and be above 30% at the end of it?

[young shoal]

with multiple batteries, sure

or like, read a book yk

[grave cove]

sounds like a powerbank but with extra steps

[honest star]

For the domestics I've been on, they've all had in-seat power, or if it's a longer haul they do in-seat entertainment if they don't have inseat power

[young shoal]

kids these days can't even figure out how to scroll through a book

[honest star]

I do need to get a powerbank

[grave cove]

"is this book touchscreen?"

[honest star]

books are heavy so I don't always pack them, and my last flight I forgot to download my new book to my kindle 😔

[young shoal]

what book 👀

[heady lion]

Delta domestic has had in-seat entertainment and proper outlets in each seat for years now

• free wifi in the past twoish years

[honest star]

City of Blades, book #2 in a v, v good fantasy series

[young shoal]

huh

never heard of it

[honest star]

City of Stairs is the first book. A very good divine-type fantasy series

[spare oriole]

yes

[honest star]

Also I officially feel ancient. I didn't get carded at this bar

[young shoal]

i'll add it to the list 👀

aight, never going to read it

[grave cove]

show us your to-read list 👀

[young shoal]

😳

[grave cove]

dew it

[heady lion]

What's the table app you've got it listed in? Looks like asana lmao

[grave cove]

obsidian maybe

actually nah

notion perhaps

[young shoal]

notion

[heady lion]

I'd recognize obsidian: there's no way to get the tables looking that good / with labels

[young shoal]

I don't like how my tables are set up; they're not normalized

[grave cove]

I want to try Obsidian for school this coming year

[heady lion]

It's good with an asterisk

[grave cove]

what's the footnote?

[young shoal]

I just use nvim for notes

[heady lion]

In my experience: weird keybindings, slow startup, bad table support, no tags on notes (just search by backlink/content)

What it does it does very well

[grave cove]

why must everything have tradeoffs

[heady lion]

The last thing I mentioned is probably deliberate in favor of search-by-content and graphical mapping of your knowledge base

[young shoal]

just use vim

[heady lion]

Just use emacs

[young shoal]

I wanna try typst actually

[heady lion]

Jk I don't even use org mode for as much of a shill as I am

[heady lion]

https://typst.app ?

[young shoal]

yeah

[noble phoenix]

Just use Google Docs

Actually I like typst.

Atleast it's better LaTeX

I might used it to write my EE

[noble phoenix]

Love obsidian.

I switched a few days back

It's cool for sure but I might go back to notion since it's easier to use and simpler

Only thing I like is gcalendar integration and todoist

But I'm sure I can get that and more in notion

Typst is nice

[rich rover]

vsc can't even read the files

this is gonna give me brain damage

[gritty zinc]

me whenever I open a c++ project

[tropic lichen]

@spice creek regarding your issue in #internals-and-peps message, cd doesn't like switching drives unless you give it an extra argument when running (-D): cd -D D:/Abraham/whatever either that, or command prompt lets you switch drives like this: ```
D:
cd D:/Abraham/whatever

[acoustic moss]

|| #ot2-never-nester’s-nightmare ||

[tropic lichen]

o goddamnit

the one OT i didn't check

apologies for the ping abraham 😅

[eager cliff]

I want this class to just draw 40 random circles at varying x and y positions with different colours and sizes, and to stay, as a background for my solar system simulation. But it's doing this instead. And I don't know why

I'd very much like it to stop doing that and just draw 40 instances. Instead of whatever this is

[rough sapphire]

C is finally a usable language

#include <stdio.h>

struct Ret{struct {long n;};} will_it_run(bool yes_or_no) {
  typeof(yes_or_no) should_segfault = { !yes_or_no };
  constexpr int SZ = {6};
  double array[SZ] = {
                       [4] = -1.21570011103803167e-262, 4.94065645841246544e-323,
                       [0] =  2.85312613025819859e-153, 3.98568242114839056e+252,
                              5.20628304629909446e+58,  5.81238365411700493e+180
                     };
  auto num = puts((void*)array);
  auto ptr = &(struct Ret){ .n = num };
  if (should_segfault) {
    ptr = nullptr;
  }
  return *ptr;
}

int main(void) {
  return will_it_run(true).n;
}

[thick ore]

dude

[eager cliff]

this is the class code:

class Star:
    colours = [RED, BLUE, YELLOW, WHITE]
    
    def __init__(self, size):
        self.size = size

    def draw(self, screen):
        for i in range(40):
            stars = pygame.draw.circle(screen, choice(self.colours), (choice(range(1, HEIGHT)), choice(range(1, HEIGHT))), random.randint(1, self.size))

the rest is just standard pygame run loop

[thick ore]

draw gets called each frame

and you're choosing random X and Y position in it

so it's going to generate different ones for each frame

[rough sapphire]

also, colors not colours (sorry)

[eager cliff]

colours is proper 😠

[thick ore]

smh you british people

[eager cliff]

im american

[rough sapphire]

so the problem is what he said

[thick ore]

then use color

[eager cliff]

i tried using a for loop to appened star to a list then using blit to draw that list each frame

but it throws up so many errors

[thick ore]

show your attempt

[eager cliff]

TypeError, Indention errors (even tho indents are correct?

[rough sapphire]

did u change ur editor?

maybe the last editor was pasting 4 spaces when u pressed tab and the new one pastes a \t character

[eager cliff]

class Star:
    colours = [RED, BLUE, YELLOW, WHITE]
    
    def __init__(self, size):
        self.size = size
        self.x = choice(range(1, HEIGHT))
        self.y = choice(range(1, HEIGHT)) 

    def draw(self, screen):
        star_count = []
        for i in range(40):
            stars = pygame.draw.circle(screen, choice(self.colours), (self.x, self.y), random.randint(1, self.size))
        star_count.append(stars)
        screen.blit(star_count, (self.x, self.y))

all in sublime

[rough sapphire]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[thick ore]

you're still doing that in the draw call

so you're generating 40 stars each frame

you should do it in __init__

or wherever your game is initialized

[rough sapphire]

oh nvm

wait what are you appending

[eager cliff]

that code didnt even work

it threw a error

that it shouldnt be

  File "D:\Python\PYsics\stars.py", line 31, in draw
    screen.blit(star_count, (self.x, self.y))
TypeError: argument 1 must be pygame.surface.Surface, not list

everytime i use blit like this it never throws this error

[rough sapphire]

i think u should take a short break and come back to the problem later

if u are getting frustrated

[eager cliff]

It's ok, im patient.

[eager cliff]

Still getting this error tho

Everything else should be good

class Star:
    colours = [RED, BLUE, YELLOW, WHITE]
    
    def __init__(self, size):
        self.size = size
        self.x = choice(range(1, HEIGHT))
        self.y = choice(range(1, HEIGHT))
        self.image = pygame.draw.circle(screen, choice(self.colours), (self.x, self.y), random.randint(1, self.size))
        self.star_count = []

thats the new class version 8

and the game loop function

def main():

    global clock
    
    deltatime = 60
    star = Star(6)
        
    for starz in range(40):
        star.star_count.append(star.image)

    while True:
        clock.tick(deltatime)
        screen.fill(BLACK)

        screen.blit(star.star_count, (300, 300))
        pygame.display.update()

        for event in pygame.event.get():
            if event.type == pygame.QUIT:
                pygame.quit()

[eager cliff]

its appending the same instance, and it isnt including the 'screen' variable either. which is probaly why blit is raising and error for missing a Surface argument

[<rect(362, 422, 10, 10)>, <rect(362, 422, 10, 10)>, <rect(362, 422, 10, 10)>, <rect(362, 422, 10, 10)>, <rect(362, 422, 10, 10)>]

[edgy crest]

you are blitting the list

you need to blit each item in the list (use a for loop)

and instead of (300, 300) use <object>.x, <object>.y

[eager cliff]

Yeah I realized, I'm way too tired

[eager cliff]

It's still raising an error for .blit()

I'm assuming the first value in this index is just the X position from screen. Or not even including screen in it. <rect(362, 422, 10, 10)>

This has all been confusing

[eager cliff]

Ok its working now

[shell raptor]

(hardware brainfuck monologue from pygen)
I guess one way would be to, upon boot, iterate through the whole program and remember the address of a [ for each ] and vice versa.
But how do you do this?

[timid latch]

or you could do it at runtime each time you jump (way less efficent, but might be easier to implement)

I did that for a brainfuck interpreter in another esolang once

[shell raptor]

This sounds slow 😛

[timid latch]

who cares about speed!

[shell raptor]

and still not very simple because you need to support nested loops

[timid latch]

just keep a counter of how many [ you have seen, and decrement it when you hit ], when you hit 0 jump to that location

[shell raptor]

to what location?

you'll need a stack

[timid latch]

no you dont

[acoustic moss]

the counter is the stack

[timid latch]

[shell raptor]

You could keep a parallel array for this, but that's 2x wasted space. Most symbols will not be [ or ]
So you'd need something like a "hash table"??

or a BST

[timid latch]

if memory[pointer] == 0:
  counter = 1
  while True:
    if program[index] == "[": counter += 1
    elif program[index] == "]": counter -= 1

    index += 1
    if counter == 0: break

[shell raptor]

ah i c

[timid latch]

not efficent, but might be easier to implement

[shell raptor]

Ah, you could keep a global counter of how many [&]s you've seen so far.
Upon initialization you make a table mapping each of these indices to where it jumps to.

[acoustic moss]

define table

[shell raptor]

array

[acoustic moss]

dynamic?

[shell raptor]

you don't really have dynamic arrays in hardware

[acoustic moss]

i thought this is what you meant by >you could keep a parallel array for this, but that's 2x wasted space.

[shell raptor]

you have a fixed amount of memory

[shell raptor]

I meant that you'll need to be able to store as much extra memory as the whole program

like if you have 64k brainfuck symbols you'll need 128k of memory for that

[shell raptor]

e.g.

   3   7    11  15    21   26   31       40
aaa[bbb[cccc]ddd[eeeee[ffff]gggg]hhhhhhhh]iiiii

The table will be like this:

idx: 0  1  2  3  4  5  6  7
adr: 40 11 7  31 26 21 15 3
ctr: 8  3  2  7  6  5  4  1

ctr is the value of the "global counter" after you've done the jump

you could then set a limit on how large this table can get, e.g. 1k entries

damn this is legit promising

[grave cove]

for some reason I find this OTN highly amusing

[crystal spruce]

that's probably because you're a desk

[grave cove]

i don't believe you

[solemn tulip]

sounds like something a desk would say

[low chasm]

!wa s is robin a desk

[royal lake]

indeed he is.

[grave cove]

🤨

[thick osprey]

Confirmed

[grave cove]

my entire life purpose is now to hold objects

[thick ore]

yay av just ssh into my first droplet

what should i do with it

[grave cove]

delete it and spin up digitalocean kubernetes

[thick ore]

what

why

[grave cove]

because common kubernetes W

[thick ore]

smh

what if i kubernetes minecraft server

[grave cove]

In all seriousness though having a droplet always on hand is nice

You can put your random projects on there

[thick ore]

planning to start a class minecraft server on one of these

since i have really nothing else to do in them

[graceful basin]

@buoyant hill no, unsigned char x = *y allocates a new object x of type unsigned char and copies the value exactly once. You could pass around a reference like unsigned char const& x = *y if you want to repeat a read from memory ever access, but beware that you will have to carefully avoid copies, since C++ will happily do them implicitly. Also, this does create data races, so you may want to throw a volatile on that pointer.

[drowsy rose]

captain kooby

captain kooby lives rent free in my head

kubernetes as a container

KaaC

[buoyant hill]

I just want to read the byte from that shared memory location at that specific moment.

It will check the value of the byte every millisecond or so.
It's to check if a game is loading or not. The byte is set to 1 during loads. It's for a speedrun timer and it only needs to be accurate to 1/60th of a second, so it doesn't matter if it's off by 1 cycle.

[jaunty wraith]

https://kind.sigs.k8s.io/

[drowsy rose]

of course they made a docker container for kubernetes

vroom vroom

[jaunty wraith]

vroom

[drowsy rose]

broom

[nova wyvern]

room

[drowsy rose]

zoom

[nova wyvern]

zoo

[drowsy rose]

loom

[nova wyvern]

doom

[drowsy rose]

loom

(loom has 2 meanings)

[nova wyvern]

OOM

[drowsy rose]

boom

[thick ore]

OutOfMemoryError

[nova wyvern]

boo

[drowsy rose]

boo

you're supposed to continue the chain

[thick ore]

it is OOM

get it

[drowsy rose]

no

oh

[solemn tulip]

volatile doesn't solve data races

[cobalt bobcat]

Hey everyone, not sure if this is the right place to ask this question. I'm a pretty sedentary software engineer and I'm looking to start working out and building muscle as I'm not very confident with my body. Feeling a bit lost. Does anyone else have the same kinda goal?

[robust zephyr]

yup! i follow this program. it has a convenient app too! https://stronglifts.com/

[gritty zinc]

TIL Zig has basically-a-zip these days: https://kristoff.it/blog/zig-multi-sequence-for-loops/

There’s only one simple rule when it comes to the length of the sequences: all lengths must match. Passing arrays of different length is safety-checked UB (i.e. you will get a panic in safe release modes).
this, though, is, uhh, quite a choice.

oooh, they have builtin SoA support too

[carmine valley]

Hey, I've been training for years. I also help gym newbies in my spare time, most of whom are software engineers to start building muscle

What are you struggling with?

[solemn tulip]

makes sense for performance

[weary moat]

Me too. Efficient use of time in the gym!

[buoyant hill]

I should still mark address_of_mmap_byte as volatile unsigned char* so that the compiler doesn't do something unwanted, right?
#ot0-psvm’s-eternal-disapproval message

[solemn tulip]

why should volatile be needed?

volatile basically means "doing anything to this variable can cause whatever weird side effects"

e.g. this could be simplified to x being 2

int x;
x = 1;
x = 2;

[high verge]

is zig made by @mortal ferry

[solemn tulip]

with volatile it couldn't

[buoyant hill]

Because the other process is modifying the byte at that address.

So the compiler should know about that when it's optimizing things.

[solemn tulip]

ah, this might be one of the few cases where volatile is warranted yes

though you might still have data races

depending if the underlying writes it atomic or not

if they are not atomic you could still end up with incorrect reads

[buoyant hill]

I'll check the byte up to every millisecond and I just need it to be accurate to 1/60th of a second.

So I'm hoping the race condition won't really matter.

[solemn tulip]

for bytes it shouldn't

for larger objects it might, depending on architecture and whatnot

[buoyant hill]

That's good, because it's just a single shared byte.

It's anything up to the CPU's word size as long as it's properly aligned, right? So 64 bits on x86-64?

[solemn tulip]

if correctly aligned, I think yes

[eager cliff]

Holy fuck dude

My cousins pc Has a 1660 super, ryzen 5 2600 and 16gb of ram. Yet it's only pulling 20fps min and a max fps of 114 in csgo

Fps isnt capped, vsync and shit is off

I dont know what the problem is, and it stutters occasionally like it doesnt have enough memory

Its stressing me out, cpu usage rests at 30% usage while memory is at 73% usage, I checked task manager and nothing is seemingly eating up ram

Nothing is running except steam, csgo, windows defender, and the nvidia control panel

[robust zephyr]

memory could be running at the wrong speed

[graceful basin]

is the monitor plugged into the GPU?

[eager cliff]

Yes

[graceful basin]

yeah, do check that AMD EXPO is on in the bios as well

[eager cliff]

I dont know what mobo he has to find the correct keys to enter bios

[robust zephyr]

it's almost always Delete

it will show what to press on boot as well

[graceful basin]

another issue could be the CPU throttling itself to prevent overheating

that tends to show up as low CPU usage

[eager cliff]

It's an amd free sync support monitor being used with a nvidia gpu