🤣 exactly
#ot1-perplexing-regexing
tulip falcon
jaunty wraith
yeah, make a better YouTube app
better yet, join Google and improve it from within
rugged owl
Join? So i can get fired in a couple months?
But then you can put "ex-google" on everything
tulip falcon
Ex Google user "googler"
tulip falcon
How to get hired at google as an ex Google employee
tardy rain
(as a non-millionaire)
tulip falcon
Or you could write a TV series about the office politics they have
grave cove
sus otn
tulip falcon
What's a nurst
warped jetty
What's a nurst
something you burst
jaunty wraith
.wa s define nurst
median domeBOT
jaunty wraith
average WA response
marsh field
I would be going to college soon and I need to buy a laptop suitable for computer science. I have a budget of 1 L rupees. Does anyone have any suggestions??
I don't know much about laptops and stuff
I want one that is suitable for programming and stuff (And can also handle some decent gaming if possible 😅 )
(I want it to be atleast 15 inch or more, and touchscreen is NOT a necessity (though it wouldnt hurt to have it))
Please help me out if possible 😅
hexed sierra
programming doesnt really require much at all. which games you wanna play is the main factor
you can try asking around in the suggest a laptop discord server
you dont usually get both a touch screen and good gaming specs btw
marsh field
Thank You so much
jaunty wraith
https://www.linen.dev/s/linen/t/12647025/building-a-slack-discord-alternative-with-tauri-rust
🦀 🦀 🦀 🦀 🦀
hexed sierra
i read it and didn't understand it
a lot of the stuff seems to be written as an unfiltered stream of thought
fossil urchin
Found something interesting:
https://www.noulakaz.net/2007/03/18/a-regular-expression-to-check-for-prime-numbers/
gritty zinc
Interesting indeed. It needs a recursive* regexp, which makes sense, normal ones shouldn't be turing-complete.
* well, self-referential.
granite tree
Interesting indeed. It needs a recursive* regexp, which makes sense, normal ones...
That's an abomination.
gritty zinc
It's surprisingly simple though
granite tree
It's like recursive SQL.
luckily, recursive SQL isn't recursive (for real, it's just a stupid loop that can reference prior results)
crystal spruce
the regexes for verifying if a binary number is divisible by like 7 is much much more complicated
which tbf this version doesn't take the number as the regex input
it takes a string of ones with a corresponding length
robust zephyr
imagine having one singular precious life to live and spending it on this
thick ore
imagine having one singular precious life to live and spending it on this
pretty good reason
robust zephyr
foggy jungle
https://github.com/edankwan/penis.js/
rugged owl
Wtf #ot2-never-nester’s-nightmare instantly turned into anti cars outta nowhere.
high haven
tell me about it
@hexed sierra wait you dont know what a dag is?
directed acyclic graph
hexed sierra
https://www.astronomer.io/blog/what-exactly-is-a-dag/
ah then i do know. i'd never seen it shortened, somehow
high haven
hardcore computer scientists: "everything is a graph" 
high haven
ah then i do know. i'd never seen it shortened, somehow
hmm its usually capitalized
DAG
rugged owl
That doesn't make it better 
young shoal
everything is a graph
young shoal
even graphs are graphs
rugged owl
high haven
when the acronym for one is a dif acronym in a dif niche
"uhh thats actually an AWS acronym too"
-a random dev, probably
rugged owl
Adding Wombo Spending
high haven
Adding Wombo Spending
corey quinn would agree
tranquil iron
whenever I see a reference to DAG's, I can't help but think of that scene in the movie Snatch where Pitt's character says "dayalekdags?"
hexed sierra
when the acronym for one is a dif acronym in a dif niche
the 2nd one here is what i think of when i hear "dag"
tranquil iron
those ozzies be upside down
young shoal
tranquil iron
damn, you got all the emojis
high haven
rugged owl
Do I throw these 4 mfs in the same team chat and tell them to sort this shit out? Literally just trying to add a ID to a list. "BLah blah we won't be able to fill out our mandatory fields"
Getting real tired of this shit. "Oh, but this doesn't make sense, because it's internal, blah blah blah" Jesus christ.
young shoal
rugged owl
Did you know? You could maybe fill NA FOR FIELDS THAT DON"T APPLY?
Data manager can manage dez nuts 
rugged owl
https://www.indeed.com/
rugged owl
Requirements are pretty standard as far as standards go.
But, this role looks more SWE than DS
rugged owl
You know what? This fucking ring around the rosie is tomorrow's problem
young shoal
damn
grave cove
tf is "journeyman"
terraria reference
rugged owl
Omg, I just realized I can use my new macbook for my programming
rugged owl
Totally forgot lmao
young shoal
14 in?
rugged owl
$400ish
rugged owl
after my points
rugged owl
msrp 
rugged owl
I said that about my surfacebook, then i bought the mac
violet roost
https://www.indeed.com/
is the job market bad where you are?
young shoal
hm?
young shoal
I don't want to interview though 😭
you must 😭
violet roost
the tears
young shoal
no those are two separate ideas
well, but related to sg still
the sob is about the budget deficit comment
violet roost
o
young shoal
the indeed link is to fix it
violet roost
ic
young shoal
i have no idea about the job market in my area
violet roost
I can smell the bullshit questions already
i got no bs questions actually
young shoal
well, that's not really true, i have inklings, but i'm not in it
violet roost
just no
no
no
no
no
repeat no 20 times
no
yes
and then I had a job
the yes did involve questions but no bs ones
granite tree
But, this role looks more SWE than DS
I think it's a pretty honest description of what most DS roles really are.
rugged owl
Not really
If the company knew what they want, they would pick ML Engineer, Data Engineer, or Analyst.
If they don't have any clue, they throw DS in there.
civic pasture
yeah
most companies throw DS position for SQl
SQL
Im like SQL for Data Science?
Its more for Database Management
Database Engineering and Management are completely different from Data Science @rugged owl
I look at the Data Science positions when I apply some of them are 5 years in Database Management
Im like what?
On the other hand, the Data Science function in an organization conceives, develops, implements, and practices all “technical application” of the data assets. In this sense, the “technical applications” imply the science, technology, craft, and business practices involving the enterprise data.
The Data Science team never owns any data; they simply collect, store, process, analyze the data — then report data-driven outcomes to the rest of the organization for business gains. The data scientist is considered an expert on Data Science and associated technologies, who relies on highly specialized knowledge (knowledge of statistics, computer science, AI and so on) for advising the enterprise on data-driven practices.
In actual practice, the Data Science function is under the Data Management function in the organization. The Data Science team brings a set of core technical skills to the organization to implement best practices, as set up by Data Management policies, procedures, and guidelines.
Companies need to know the difference
tardy rain
We need an #office-rant channel
civic pasture
this is why I dont understand why companies list database management in their job description for Data Science
seriously
tardy rain
Where am i supposed to share my struggles with colleagues
civic pasture
Im applying all these jobs
and they require SQL Database Management
Data Scientist analyze data
make models
visualization
Dont call it data science if you want the person to manage an SQL database
its making me mad @tardy rain
tardy rain
Data science is not real
Why are you mad at something not real
i should be mad at it, every other "python dev" role is actually data science
civic pasture
what do you mean?
python dev is different than data science @tardy rain
Im not coding extensively in python
Im utilizing python to do predictions
analytics
like regression analytics
using statistical methods
is that what a regular python dev does?
do they create business models?
is that what you do? @tardy rain
tardy rain
I do webdev 💀
civic pasture
there you go
tardy rain
I wanna keep doing webdev with python
civic pasture
theres a huge difference between web soft dev with python
and data science
data science uses mathematical and statistical approaches
tardy rain
Yea but im not talking about my job, im talking about job ads on linkedin
civic pasture
yeah theres this huge misconception
in job postings
like I had an interview and asked a question about the position. He couldnt answer my question @tardy rain
I asked him what I was supposed to with the data
young shoal
I do webdev 💀
point and laugh
civic pasture
he said he didnt know
young shoal
this guy's a frontend dev
civic pasture
like you are hiring for a position and I ask you what you want me with the data you present me
and you say I am not sure
tardy rain
this guy's a frontend dev
Not anymore lmao, thats why i want to rant
young shoal
Not anymore lmao, thats why i want to rant
oh? did you get fired lol
tell us the tea sis
tardy rain
No, Im supposed to do backend shit now
tardy rain
Picked up a ticket yesterday thinking it would be a simple API call and template dump
Turns out i have to implement everything myself
Im not paid backend money
Also i want to rant about other things too
I was in a meeting about said ticket and witnessed my manager disrespected by his manager
It was so uncomfortable
My first thought was i need to get the fuck out
young shoal
have you considered just being a backend dev
ionic isle
Dont call it data science if you want the person to manage an SQL database
It's not too far fetched for a "Data Scientist" to be comfortable enough with SQL to know basic maintenance that they might be required to do on tables they're responsible for
civic pasture
they ask you to do manage the whole warehouse @ionic isle
I do know basic SQL
however I dont manage a database
tardy rain
have you considered just being a backend dev
I like the react stuff tho
civic pasture
none of the Data Science jobs I applied asks for statistical methodology @ionic isle
young shoal
just do both
civic pasture
like using regression analysis random forest
bayesian regression
chi square test
F test
ionic isle
they ask you to do manage the whole warehouse <@232671425813544971>
I'm not sure if that's exactly what's meant then because I highly doubt that.
At that scale, they will most likely have a DBA, or at least a position on your team for a person who has a DBA background, to do that sort of maintenance. It's possible you're seeing that very position for that team and it isn't communicated well through the job posting.
tardy rain
just do both
Im already doing that
young shoal
just get paid for both then
robust zephyr
hey if you pay me enough i'll wear lots of hats
rugged owl
I'm about to scream, this should have been an easy task. Pull some data, then do a join. But "401 Unauthorized/Forbidden" error.
civic pasture
@rugged owl how are you enjoying your new Mac
If you need any recommendations let me know
rugged owl
401 is unauthorized
Your right, it technically says "Authentication/authorization error
civic pasture
For apps
rugged owl
OH, I know where the error might come from
young shoal
maybe your credentials
civic pasture
Did you get any software on it yet? @rugged owl
rugged owl
Thanks, yea checking now.
rugged owl
401 is unauthorized
IT WORKED. I 100% thought it was our IT pulling bs again.
young shoal
‼️
rugged owl
Did you get any software on it yet? <@287800670441046018>
Not yet, waiting on my keyboard cover which arrived today before I start using. Got to keep it nice 
spare oriole
do you also have an iphone? <@287800670441046018>
yes
rugged owl
do you also have an iphone? <@287800670441046018>
No. Iphone doesn't have firefox with ublock origin, or some other apps that are only on android.
civic pasture
you can use ublock with safari @rugged owl
also iphone has a better systemwide ad blocking
so that it blocks in app ads as well
rugged owl
you can use ublock with safari <@287800670441046018>
ublock origin, not ublock is not on safari
rugged owl
Or I could just use firefox on macos
But for iphone, there's basically little to no option
Or, say ad blocker for youtube
jaunty wraith
yeah, all browsers on iPhone are webkit in disguise
civic pasture
you dont need a seperate ad blocker
theres a systemwide ad blocker on ipjone
iphone
it blocks the ads on youtube too
rugged owl
I have the iphone SE. Only ones I've seen are paid.
rugged owl
Yea, that's DNS based. I'm running pihole already
rugged owl
Samsung note
civic pasture
niceeeee
rugged owl
It's about to be 4 years old, but given how many phones samsung shits out every year, you would think it's 10 years old
I decided a few years ago that I won't upgrade my phone until it literally rolls over and dies.
civic pasture
I have pixel 4 xl
i got lineageos on it
😄
this is annoying
needs to be fixed
😡
I hate RStudio
grave cove
I have the iphone SE. Only ones I've seen are paid.
Hmm, didn't they like, reinvent the iPhone SE? I feel like I remember my dad having 2 iPhone SEs but they were different
rugged owl
Hmm, didn't they like, reinvent the iPhone SE? I feel like I remember my dad hav...
I think mine's the iphone SE (2nd gen). 3rd gen is most current.
grave cove
Ah they've got multiple generations
Is the first gen the really small one that's got the sharp edges?
rugged owl
Is the first gen the really small one that's got the sharp edges?
Looks like it from google. I recall it was like iphone 6 body or something?
thick ore
What the fuck happened to rust syntax highlighting
Pretty ironic considering i'm making a tokenizer
But still what the fuck
jaunty wraith
shadowed function definition?
jaunty wraith
¯_(ツ)_/¯
lime maple
lol
lime maple
love this enderman guy
tropic lichen
I think it goes without saying we don't want links to pirate sites sharing here, nor do we wanna discuss said stuff @lime maple
stark oasis
it's funny that that isn't what my concern was but yeah that too
acoustic moss
no shot
robust zephyr
rough sapphire
i have an interesting and bad idea
const char *file = #include "myfile.txt";
imagine if this worked 💀
you can use include like that since it's just copy paste
gritty zinc
local C user reinvents Rust's include_str! 😛
vale hull
Are the terms Pragma and Dogma related in any way?
robust zephyr
i don't think so
tranquil iron
pragma is froom the same greek root as the word "pragmatic"
frozen crane
Are the terms Pragma and Dogma related in any way?
"pagmatic" and "dogmatic" come directly from the Greek words "pragmatikos" and "dogmatikos".
"dogma" and "pragma" are likewise Greek words. "dokeo" (I teach) and "prasso" (I practice) are the stems, and "ma" is a verb suffix that turns it into a noun meaning "the result of [verb]". So "dogma" is "that which is taught" and "pragma" is "that which is practiced".
I'm not sure why "prasso" has its Ss turned into a G for "pragma".
So from "dogmatikos" and "pragmatikos", the only parts that are root-specific are "dog" and "prag". At this level, there is no relationship, and any perceived similarity between them is coincidental.
Interestingly, "doctor" (which is a Latin word) shares an etymology with "dokeo". (Latin borrows some words from Greek, but it also shares a common ancestor with Greek.) It's ironic that a title for one who pursues truth would be related to a word for unconditionally accepting that which might be false. Or perhaps it's exactly what we'd expect.
Thanks for coming to my StelTalk.
@tranquil iron @tame terrace read my thing
grave cove
steltalk
vale raven
"pagmatic" and "dogmatic" come directly from the Greek words "pragmatikos" and "...
Dog?
Stel is there a Discord guild where I can get important knoweldge like this?
frozen crane
Stel is there a Discord guild where I can get important knoweldge like this?
we're already in a Discord guild. This one.
grave cove
the important knowledge is being imparted
vale raven
we're already in a Discord guild. This one.
Yeah but this one has like.... Python for some reason
Is there a dedicated circle of language nerds smart humans?
frozen crane
Yeah but this one has like.... _Python_ for some reason
Is there a dedicated cir...
there's a linguistics discord, but I don't really use it.
foggy jungle
<@467435887236612106> what sort of services do you provide
boy what a channel name.
lament cairn
frozen crane
what is everyone doin'
foggy jungle
what is everyone doin'
Suffering from a slight headache to be honest. Sipping some water and debating a bellyflop into bed.
lament cairn
what is everyone doin'
trying to install debian 12 onto a hard drive through a vm
frozen crane
trying to install debian 12 onto a hard drive through a vm
why
lament cairn
i lost my usb drive
and i want to put debian on it to to turn an old pc into a server (again)
it is currently going not well
granite tree
wait, was that a thing, or is that some fever dream photoshop?
grave cove
what is everyone doin'
They are forcing me to write Rust code for 10 hours straight help help help help help help help help
frozen crane
They are forcing me to write Rust code for 10 hours straight help help help help...
just use python
foggy jungle
They are forcing me to write Rust code for 10 hours straight help help help help...
forcing?
lament cairn
it is currently going not well
god if I have to disable WSL and Hyper-V just to do this
foggy jungle
The Python client was almost finished.
foggy jungle
god if I have to disable WSL and Hyper-V just to do this
Hyper-V claims another one.
lament cairn
god if I have to disable WSL and Hyper-V just to do this
like... you can READ IT!!! youre HALFWAY THERE JUST GO
grave cove
The Python client was almost finished.
Boring
You know what isn't boring, though?
Another +900 -100 diff PR I'm going to come out with in a few days
foggy jungle
Quiet prayer to pub, who is the only person familiar enough with Rust on the team to review that.
grave cove
Poor guy has to watch my literal shit evolve
foggy jungle
Have you considered producing anything that works correctly the first time around?
grave cove
Have you considered producing anything that works correctly *the first time arou...
Premature optimization is the root of all evil
foggy jungle
Was it premature if you're refactoring the entire codebase and it never worked anyway?
grave cove
Depends on how you look at it
Shit first then shape it into pretty sculptures
My life motto
lament cairn
god if I have to disable WSL and Hyper-V just to do this
that wasn't it 
it... "worked"...
Input/output error. thanks gparted/virtualbox
low chasm
Quiet prayer to pub, who is the only person familiar enough with Rust on the tea...
you forget I ;-;
I'm too lazy to review it regardless though
lament cairn
i guess i wont be able to make old hardware Useful™️ again
fossil urchin
How can I use Edd's services
jaunty wraith
what services does Edd provide
foggy jungle
Mostly Edducational
modern jacinth
Hi all
jaunty wraith
For Edducational Purposes
modern jacinth
do some freelance jirzhu with a little competitor
foggy jungle
?
jaunty wraith
.wa s define jirzhu
median domeBOT
jaunty wraith
understandable
foggy jungle
.wiki s jirzhu
median domeBOT
Sorry, we could not find a wikipedia article using that search term.
foggy jungle
That's... a genuine first?
jaunty wraith
.wiki jirzhu
median domeBOT
Sorry, we could not find a wikipedia article using that search term.
jaunty wraith
eh
median domeBOT
Command Help
jaunty wraith
foggy jungle
<#607247579608121354>
oh this made me giggle. Thank you.
jaunty wraith
<@337966455796662282> Is your name a valid python code?
no it's valid lisp code though
fathom musk
Ah ok
cobalt remnant
Whenever @coral void posts a function, his name is a valid decorator.
deco, if you're reading this, 😛
robust zephyr
sir lancebot are you ok
rugged echo
every javascript destructuring concept in one snippet 👍
or, the blessing/curse that is javascript:```js
const {
current_weather: {
temperature: currTemp,
time: lastUpdateTime,
windspeed: currWind,
weathercode: currDesc,
},
hourly: {
time: hours,
doesNotExist: currIndex = hours.indexOf(lastUpdateTime),
precipitation_probability: {[currIndex]: currPrecip},
relativehumidity_2m: {[currIndex]: currHumidity},
uv_index: {[currIndex]: currUV},
},
daily: {
temperature_2m_max: [, ...nextTempsMax],
temperature_2m_min: [, ...nextTempsMin],
weathercode: [, ...nextDescs],
},
} = await getWeatherData(latitude, longitude, timezone);
lmfao
robust zephyr
no types or interfaces in 2023?
hours.indexOf(lastUpdateTime) this might be an error also, because indexOf can return 0 and it can be valid. that's why you often see code that checks whether the value is greater than -1
rugged echo
executing code in destructuring assignments reminds me of python braces 🥶
rugged echo
no types or interfaces in 2023?
lol don't know what those are, i haven't learned it yet
typescript related?
robust zephyr
yes
you should definitely learn and use Typescript. i would never code JS without it again
acoustic moss
holy hell
rugged echo
cool, i've heard a lot about it, i'll definitely check it out soon
acoustic moss
i think im seeing objx after like a year or something
robust zephyr
i actually got into front end work accidentally
ages ago i was hired to do back end and when i got there they were like
hey Muffin we know you can do back end but what about this front end stuff?
so i did it and now i can do both
tranquil iron
UI's are a rabbit hole. just time box it.
low chasm
now i'm stuck with js \:p
and the very big ecosystem of tooling and frameworks to choose from 🥴
grave cove
just use nextjs
robust zephyr
nextjs owns
robust zephyr
and the *very* big ecosystem of tooling and frameworks to choose from 🥴
yes and no - there are only two frameworks that are super popular and you're unlikely to see any other frameworks in a professional setting
low chasm
sure, that's fair. I did have a good bit of trouble deciding on what stack to go with for a recent personal project 🥴
acoustic moss
react and..?
robust zephyr
Angular
low chasm
for the most part, you could probably spin a wheel and end up with something very usable
robust zephyr
sure, that's fair. I did have a good bit of trouble deciding on what stack to go...
let me know if you have any questions! been doing this for 16+ years
low chasm
let me know if you have any questions! been doing this for 16+ years
I'll be sure to 👀
robust zephyr
not in my experience but i was working in an Angular environment forever now
low chasm
svelte 😤
acoustic moss
tbh you and dawn are the only people ive seen talk about svelte
grave cove
IKR
low chasm
lmao
grave cove
i think react is probably more popular
robust zephyr
its basically java
i actually agree - learning React was such a breath of fresh air. it has no boilerplate or any of the annoying stuff. however, Angular does have standalone components now which abstracts away the need to create modules
low chasm
lak mention solid, I was thinking of trying that out at some point
grave cove
remix also looks interesting
robust zephyr
tbh you and dawn are the only people ive seen talk about svelte
i hear about it all the time. it sounds really cool! i'd like to try it out some time
grave cove
but for now i must fix alembic migrations 
robust zephyr
i want to try Alembic too
grave cove
its more of a pain in the ass than anything
but there are only so many ways to do migrations 🤷♂️
low chasm
have you considered that maybe you're bad at database migrations /lh
acoustic moss
ok im a complete noob but react/vue/angular etc fall under client side rendering right?
grave cove
not necessarily
civic pasture
Abooo is back again with his sharp comments 🥰
grave cove
I think React has server components stable now
young shoal
Robin is bad at migrations
grave cove
Next.js defaults to server components
low chasm
next and similar metaframeworks provide SSR and stuff too
civic pasture
What’s up friends
low chasm
yo
grave cove
CSR is bad for SEO
acoustic moss
i see (i dont)
civic pasture
How are we all doing
grave cove
why not
young shoal
"yar"
grave cove
see better
low chasm
i see (i dont)
my condolences (haha suffer)
jaunty wraith
grave cove
if you think about it
tranquil iron
lol @grave cove
grave cove
95% of your components can be rendered on the server
civic pasture
Do you like big cats? @acoustic moss
jaunty wraith
Robin can be rendered on the server
acoustic moss
uhhh
civic pasture
I’m trying to figure out what’s on your pfp
grave cove
sprinkle in CSR where you need it and move it to the leaves of the DOM tree
jaunty wraith
we don't need to serve Robin
low chasm
I’m trying to figure out what’s on your pfp
it's a camel
grave cove
heckles
acoustic moss
yeah
low chasm
oh wow, a cat
grave cove
camel ^
civic pasture
The hell
acoustic moss
https://tenor.com/view/vibe-rabbit-dance-bunny-vibe-twitch-gif-25518131
omg is that a gurkult reference
grave cove
real !!
tranquil iron
that cat has an abnormally large head
acoustic moss
5head
grave cove
what about 3head
acoustic moss
🪞
jaunty wraith
2head4u
civic pasture
For anger issues?
grave cove
for constipation
tardy rain
For anger issues
tranquil iron
aren't all cats always angry?
jaunty wraith
no
grave cove
more grumpy and annoyed than angry
jaunty wraith
they're mostly apathetic
grave cove
my spirit animal is a cat 👍
tardy rain
civic pasture
😄
tranquil iron
do you think cats ever feel compassion?
tardy rain
No
civic pasture
okay
civic pasture
and friendlyyy
tardy rain
Possibly the softest thing I've ever toucbed
civic pasture
The ragdoll cat is a large, affectionate cat that goes with the flow. Ragdolls are ideal lap cats because they simply go limp with pleasure when they are being petted, giving them their name. This cat breed is one of the largest, but don’t let the size intimidate you. Their big blue eyes and loud, throaty purr let you know they're just big softies. Ragdolls are notoriously social, making them a good fit for bustling homes with plenty of people and friendly pets.
tranquil iron
I'm not totally comfy with creating mutant cats
rough sapphire
animal breeding was a mistake
tardy rain
You cant really pet wild cats tho
rough sapphire
good.
civic pasture
How much does a ragdoll cat cost?
A ragdoll costs between $425 (pet quality) and $2,500 (breeder quality).
Are ragdoll cats good with kids?
Ragdolls love to play and cuddle, so they make great pets for respectful kids.
Do ragdoll cats need to be brushed?
Ragdoll cats have shorter fur than other long-haired cats, and their coats have no under-layer, so they require less brushing. Still, occasional brushing is good for coat softness and tangle prevention.```
rough sapphire
maybe
civic pasture
tranquil iron
you got issues, man
civic pasture
who?
my mother got me a furby when I was 10
cuz we were not allowed to have pets
tranquil iron
I was considering commenting about your mom, but I shall refrain myself
rough sapphire
LMAOIOII
tranquil iron
yes they were
rough sapphire
i didjt
tranquil iron
I did not
rough sapphire
didnt
civic pasture
well how old are you guys
rough sapphire
19
rough sapphire
i mean i never saw one even at older relatives. its not a thing here in egypt
civic pasture
Im 35
rough sapphire
dam i thoght you were like 18-20
civic pasture
It was big when I was 10
rough sapphire
corrected
civic pasture
in Turkey at least
rough sapphire
lmfao
civic pasture
lol
rough sapphire
in Turkey at least
o nice we middetarian sea neighbours
tranquil iron
no, I think you're 35
rough sapphire
how
tranquil iron
how what?
young shoal
rmah how old am i
civic pasture
yeah how do you know @tranquil iron
rough sapphire
o they read chat lmfao
civic pasture
how old is rmah himself?
tardy rain
Discord people arent real and as such dont have an age
tranquil iron
rmah how old am i
I do not know
civic pasture
how old are you @tranquil iron
tardy rain
My mind makes you up continuously
rough sapphire
Discord people arent real and as such dont have an age
☝️
tranquil iron
how old are you <@1025524640841474088>
I'm in my 50's
civic pasture
omg what
rough sapphire
My mind makes you up continuously
yes exactly im not real im a part of your psyche
young shoal
rmah is gen X, so anywhere from 40 to 55, i think
civic pasture
I heardddddd
rough sapphire
wake up wake up wake up
civic pasture
I moved to the USA @rough sapphire
when I first moved it was way better than Turkey
tranquil iron
a bit more caffeine may be nice.
rough sapphire
oo
civic pasture
now Im not so sure
rough sapphire
i wanna move too but idk where to
tranquil iron
most places are both better in some ways and worse in other ways
rough sapphire
egypt is lame af
civic pasture
the USA is on its way to become the next Turkey
rough sapphire
lol
civic pasture
🥲
tranquil iron
egypt is lame af
do you happen to live in luxor?
ancient dune
the USA is on its way to become the next Turkey
I mean in the last decade Turkey has improved.
rough sapphire
do you happen to live in luxor?
nah lol
civic pasture
It has but the US is no longer the country of freedom @ancient dune
tranquil iron
nah lol
ok. I only ask because the only egyptian guy I knew (who lived there I mean, not egyptian-american) was from luxor. he complained to me that he couldn't buy cows at reasonable prices because of some army monopoly or corruption or something wrt the local cattle market.
ancient dune
It has but the US is no longer the country of freedom <@169790484594556928>
Has it ever been? The slogan seems to come from 1800s
civic pasture
I mean it was great until the corrupt Supreme Court ruined the country
rough sapphire
idk not comfy sharing city but yea i just dont like how overly religious and conservativr and anti-lgbt it is. this and other issues like military rule and lack of democracy n shit. people still get jailed if police finds anti-gov posts on their phone
tranquil iron
Has it ever been? The slogan seems to come from 1800s
ah, when america was free and only white men who owned property could vote!
rough sapphire
ok. I only ask because the only egyptian guy I knew (who lived there I mean, no...
yeah sounds about right lmao
civic pasture
Supreme Court is unfortunately corrupt in the US now @ancient dune
they ban abortion
soon they will ban gay marriage
🥲
rough sapphire
ok. I only ask because the only egyptian guy I knew (who lived there I mean, no...
even the internet is monopolostic. they banned unlimited internet and milk the people over stupid quotas now
ancient dune
Tbh I might sound like a chauvinist but my country is def on the top of the list lol
civic pasture
Where are you from?
tranquil iron
they ban abortion
ok, first, they did not ban abortion. they struck down a ruling that said that states could not ban abortion
ancient dune
Where are you from?
Netherlands.
civic pasture
well duh
Netherlands is way better
well they will strike down a ruling that says states couldnt ban gay marriage soon @tranquil iron
tranquil iron
and, while I do not like the whif of corruption on the current US Supreme Court and I'm in favor of legalized abortion, I do not think the US federal gov should be making laws about it. it really is a state issue.
civic pasture
gay marrige too?
tranquil iron
well they will strike down a ruling that says states couldnt ban gay marriage so...
marriage is not a federal issue
ancient dune
First country to legalise gay marriage 🇱🇺
civic pasture
gay marriage should be a nationwide decision
rough sapphire
marriage is not a federal issue
why is federal countries a thing again
civic pasture
not by states
tranquil iron
that would require a constitutional amendment
civic pasture
well they should amend the constitiution
rough sapphire
First country to legalise gay marriage 🇱🇺
u dont know ur own flag?
tranquil iron
why is federal countries a thing again
that is beyond the scope of the current legal framework. it is usually changeable if you disagree with it though
rough sapphire
that is beyond the scope of the current legal framework. it is usually changeab...
wat
tranquil iron
well they should amend the constitiution
it's rather difficult, but certainly possible. last constitutional amendment, the 27th was ratified in 1992
ancient dune
u dont know ur own flag?
Couldn't find it and it looks alike. but i see the codes now for the flag.
🇳🇱
tranquil iron
the simple fact is that the powers of the US federal government are rather constrained. many people do not like this. hell, I don't like it. but the law is the law, until we change it.
tranquil iron
it already is divided. into 50 states.
civic pasture
people that prefer liberty can become one
carmine apex
north vs south didn't work super well last time they tried it
rough sapphire
i like how square-ish the states look
ancient dune
I mean I'm not pro no-abortion and all but I think it could have been a bit more strict but not no-abortion ever.
civic pasture
people that prefer religion can become one
tranquil iron
you realize that most US states have their own military forces, right? they are, through agreement, currently subordinate to federal military forces, but they don't have to be
state laws are the laws that affect most people's daily lives
civic pasture
I mean Florida governor ruined Florida
tranquil iron
that's on florida
rough sapphire
just divide the country ffs
2026 is close
tardy rain
Drivers licenses are issued by your state but is valid in other states, wouldnt it be the same with marriage?
ancient dune
I mean the amount of money goes to the militairy is insane.
tranquil iron
Drivers licenses are issued by your state but is valid in other states, wouldnt ...
currently it is the same with marriage
ancient dune
Spend some on your citizens.
rough sapphire
I mean the amount of money goes to the militairy is insane.
it always be like that
power above all
tranquil iron
Spend some on your citizens.
military spending is 12% of the US federal budget and some 7% of total government spending
ancient dune
But I don't really get it like let china get good technology and improve. America just wants a monopoly on it.
young shoal
the US allocates a much smaller proportion of its GDP to the military than other countries
tranquil iron
IOW, if we eliminated the US military, total amount available to "spend on citizens" at the federal level would only go up by about 1/7th
tranquil iron
the US allocates a much smaller proportion of its GDP to the military than other...
that's not really true. it's larger.
just not hugely larger
young shoal
proportionally no, i thought
tranquil iron
among major nations, the US spends somewhat more than the norm
ancient dune
@young shoal It may be an unpopulair opinion, but I think it's better to communicate rather than to threaten eachother with their large army.
tardy rain
History says that's not the case
tranquil iron
you have to look at very small (usually repressive) regimes to see nations that spend much more than the US
tranquil iron
<@182894631921516545> It may be an unpopulair opinion, but I think it's better t...
the problem is that not everyone thinks that way
rough sapphire
<@182894631921516545> It may be an unpopulair opinion, but I think it's better t...
more like war war sell weapons war
ancient dune
Considering inside NATO the USA spends like as much as the 2nd to 5th combined in the list of spendings.
tranquil iron
the US spends 3.5% of GDP on military, China spends 1.7%, Germany 1.3%, UK 2.2%, Russia 4.1%, India 2.7%
that data is from 2021 so Russia's is probably MUCH higher now
tranquil iron
Considering inside NATO the USA spends like as much as the 2nd to 5th combined i...
yes, but that's simply because the US is quite large and very wealthy
iow, the US has a huge economy
or as some say YUUUUUUGE
rough sapphire
tru is beg
ancient dune
I mean we got tax evasion and drugs.
tranquil iron
da beggenist
the amount of tax evasion in the US is actually rather low vs most other nations
not because americans are more honest, but because it's actually rather difficult to do here
in comparison, tax evasion in europe is easy
ancient dune
Atleast we get iphones with usb c
rough sapphire
i still dont get taxes. like what do you get taxed on
all we pay for here is bills
robust zephyr
everything
ancient dune
i still dont get taxes. like what do you get taxed on
Everything and essentials is less.
robust zephyr
government wants that bag
tranquil iron
the entire tax enforcement arm of germany has like 100 agents covering 80 mil people. the US has some 20,000 agents for 360 mil
rough sapphire
in comparison, tax evasion in europe is *easy*
open company in london on name Mickey Mouse, ez money. No one checks lol 🙂
rough sapphire
everything
why isnt it automatically added to price of stuff
tranquil iron
open company in london on name Mickey Mouse, ez money. No one checks lol 🙂
did you know that there are no KYC checks in the UK on real estate purchases?
robust zephyr
some stores do that
ancient dune
why isnt it automatically added to price of stuff
In europe it is.
rough sapphire
if i understand correctly you seperstely pay tax on stuff
rough sapphire
In europe it is.
fair
tranquil iron
if i understand correctly you seperstely pay tax on stuff
it's so you know how pissed off about taxes you should be
rough sapphire
some stores do that
hm
rough sapphire
it's so you know how pissed off about taxes you should be
lmaoi
rough sapphire
did you know that there are no KYC checks in the UK on real estate purchases?
i didnt , but i know u can open comapny on fake name cuz no one checks and ppl do it and launder money lmao
rough sapphire
only tax i met was VAT you pay after resturant meals or internet recharging
ancient dune
Normal stuff it's 21%, food aka essentials etc is 9% and things like cigarettes and alcohol has their own separate tax as well above the normal tax.
tranquil iron
i didnt , but i know u can open comapny on fake name cuz no one checks and ppl ...
doesn't surprise me. I consulted on a "make a movie to hide money" scheme back in the late 2000's that used a bunch of shell companies
rough sapphire
Normal stuff it's 21%, food aka essentials etc is 9% and things like cigarettes ...
daym
tranquil iron
it's absurd how easy it is to hide financial shit in europe
tranquil iron
daym
AND normal people pay much higher income tax rates in europe. AND companies pay much higher taxes for each employee.
rough sapphire
AND normal people pay much higher income tax rates in europe. AND companies pay...
sounds depressing
tranquil iron
sounds depressing
they are told that they get good healthcare and university education and retirement benefits in exchange
maybe they even do. whatever. if that's what they want, fine with me.
rough sapphire
i heard usa healthcare and education expenses are thro the roof tho 💀
ancient dune
sounds depressing
I mean it might sound like it but you do have to take into account that almost everything here is insured and pension is build up automatically.
tranquil iron
i heard usa healthcare and education expenses are thro the roof tho 💀
it depends
ancient dune
Price of education is almost 0 and public transport is a bless.
If you live in the EU otherwise education isn't close to 0.
rough sapphire
I mean it might sound like it but you do have to take into account that almost e...
i dont want insurance i live dangerously 😎
tranquil iron
I mean it might sound like it but you do have to take into account that almost e...
technically, it's now illegal to be without health insurance in the US as well. our system is now sort of like germany's but with weaker proactive enforcement
rough sapphire
hm
tranquil iron
if you don't have health insurance in the US you get fined when you file your taxes
well, they don't cal it a "fine" but that's essentially what it is
rough sapphire
wtf
ancient dune
Idk how it's handled over there but I got money from going to school.
rough sapphire
capitalism
ancient dune
And I get money to pay my insurance.
tranquil iron
91% of americans have health insurance now
ancient dune
91% of americans have health insurance now
That's good.
tranquil iron
of the 9% without, none are very poor (they're covered by free public health insurance)
ancient dune
Doesn't non-insured people still get treated and compensated in public hospitals tough?
tranquil iron
Doesn't non-insured people still get treated and compensated in public hospitals...
they get treated and billed at very high rates
no insurance means you gotta pay <shrug>
ancient dune
Yeah but there is some kind of fund raisers they can go to?
tranquil iron
only 2% of american children are now uninsured
ancient dune
That's still a lot.
tranquil iron
it is. but their parents know. it's their parent's fault.
ancient dune
2% of 70m~
tranquil iron
do big numbers scare you?
tranquil iron
if you don't have insurance you do. and everyone knows it.
understand that 86mil people are covered by medicaid (free gov provided health insurance for the very poor). that's 1 in 4 people.
rough sapphire
doesn't surprise me. I consulted on a "make a movie to hide money" scheme back ...
ppl be opening companies on name like Donald Duck, Adolf Tooth Fairy HITLER, xxx Stalin, Mr XXXXXXXX etc and no one checks 😆
tranquil iron
ppl be opening companies on name like Donald Duck, Adolf Tooth Fairy HITLER, xx...
thanks for the tip
tranquil iron
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/companies-house-failed-probe-bosses-26277...
the US doesn't even have a company registry
instead it has 50 of them
lament cairn
Adolf Tooth Fairy HITLER
upbeat ice
XD
thick ore
are there any docs for the Windows EXE format?
foggy jungle
are there any docs for the Windows EXE format?
Like... PE's? There's a lot of 'it depends' that goes along with that.
thick ore
Like... PE's? There's a lot of 'it depends' that goes along with that.
like what?
foggy jungle
It kind of depends on why exactly you're asking.
Generally speaking, the kind of 'takeaway' you should know is that PE Files are sectioned. Below is the actual relative layout of this particular (malicious) program.
The Magic Bytes define the type of systems the file may be able to run on. (This is stuff like the DOS header and image header among other things.)
Headers contains information about the size, virtual address, characteristics, memory regions, etc.
.text contains... the actual 'code' (but not really).
.data (and it's derivatives .rdata and .bss ) occur as... well, data. Things like strings and constants. I think... the import table can also occur in .rdata but...
.idata contains your import table. You'll find .dll's by reference (such as calls to kernel32/shell32/etc.) here.
.reloc is your relocation table.
.rsrc is where .ico's and other static resources are stored.
.edata is your export table.
.CRT is a C++ runtime.
.eh_fram is... export header frame? I don't actually know, I glossed over this. My kneejerk reaction is this malware dropped another .exe.
.tls is... self explanitory, it contains information to construct a TLS interface.
🥴 PEFiles are complicated, and not a lot of this is granular knowledge that you'll need to know. If anyone's reading along, feel free to correct me.
tranquil iron
are there any docs for the Windows EXE format?
there are many
thick ore
Generally speaking, the kind of 'takeaway' you should know is that PE Files are ...
that is a lot of sections
foggy jungle
that is a lot of sections
Yeah this particular file was an asspain but that seems out of scope of the discussion lol.
rough sapphire
is even switching to a language because it added support for X compilation type worth it
thick ore
is even switching to a language because it added support for X compilation type ...
maybe
ashen ridge
@mild echo Not in order, but usually:
- List out what you want your project to do, then isolate the very core functionalities as opposed to quality of life (QoL, i.e. ease of use) ones
- Come up with how do you want the user to interact with your project (diagrams, mockups, etc.)
- Work out what you need to build the project (libraries, algorithms, software, infrastructure, etc.)
- Start working on the core functionalities
mild echo
rough sapphire
<@203605271203938304> Not in order, but usually:
- List out what you want your p...
thx i always struggle with this
most time im like yo lemme make this then a month later im working on polishing the most obsecure useless features known to humanity
rough sapphire
that moment when C code compiles without warnings, and works as intended
"Something isn't right here"
robust zephyr
i thought you like Rust
mystic drift
Which F1 team do you support?
civic pasture
Ferrari @mystic drift
civic pasture
whats your team?
foggy jungle
@civic pasture Just to be clear, recommend Kali as a bare metal boot system for individuals trying to get into Linux is wrong. There's no two ways about it.
It's not a matter of opinion, it's actually misinformation.
ashen ridge
Why not Ubuntu?
robust zephyr
where's the TempleOS love?
ashen ridge
Vettel?
ashen ridge
I have been watching since 2008
I like to think that you were like: "Oh. Wall Street crashed. Meh, time to get into F1"
mystic drift
Of course
ashen ridge
Question from a does-not-watch-vehicle-races: What's fun about watching F1? It looks to me like "Cars go round"
hallow frigate
Occasionally saw a few races
I see every race, and most of the qualifying, but I don't tunr into the practices any more.
mystic drift
I mostly just see the timetables in practice
ashen ridge
I watch chess GM play and I'm there to sniff the sweet sweet tactics, but what about F1? "Ooooh man that guy missed the curve shiiiieeeeet"?
mystic drift
But I watch both qualifying and the race
hallow frigate
Question from a does-not-watch-vehicle-races: What's fun about watching F1? It l...
every sport is boring until you get into it. No one is going to root for "tall player throw ball" until you find out the backstory of the player or the team.
stories are what are interetsing. How is this guy doing, will that guy make a comeback, can you believe he unretired and is making podiums?
mystic drift
I'm really excited for Austria this year
I have high hopes that Mercedes can challenge Redbull
And Silverstone too
ashen ridge
every sport is boring until you get into it. No one is going to root for "tall ...
Fair point. But like, is the fun of watching F1 in the moment-to-moment during the race or just staring at the timer and mutter good stuffs about your team?
mystic drift
Allison is leading a hell of a charge
hallow frigate
people like to laugh at nascar and just goinbg around in circles, vs the curvy crazy stops and skillit takes to drive an f1 car, but it's just silly. the stories are what makes every sport.
mystic drift
The fun of F1 is watching your driver pulling an incredible move and triumphing, of course
It's a team sport
ashen ridge
....eh?
ashen ridge
I'm gonna have to sit down with you folks one day for an F1 session
mystic drift
Mercedes pulled an incredible strategy call there and Hamilton pulled through it spectacularly
hallow frigate
Fair point. But like, is the fun of watching F1 in the moment-to-moment during t...
some races less than others, but there's always some tension and drama, especially as each team has 2 drivers, and there is interteam rivalry
mystic drift
This weekend there will be Austria
civic pasture
yup
mystic drift
Which I'm really hopeful that Mercedes will challenge
civic pasture
july 2nd
ashen ridge
Not enough gasoline?
ashen ridge
Ah
mystic drift
They run on street circuits
And that's just boring
Put them in proper tracks and I'll give it a go
hallow frigate
I disliked him at first, but I was rooting for him when he came back to the team using the Lotus name that eventually became caterham.
hallow frigate
that's @(#*^&$ insane.
hallow frigate
No, not the game, Shakira
hallow frigate
Shakira is just an amazing person from everything I've seen. Hamilton has been grown up a lot, but seems a bit out there tbh. I root for him. But I'd expect him to match up with grimes. Mad respect for both of them, but for very different reasons.
hallow frigate
<@255074198559391744> That Lotus is so beautiful
Thank you. And yeah agree, shame about the team. Just glad they're still in buisness and the engeering side of the company ends up being hired by a lot of other companies to help on car design and engines like tesla and corvette and stuff.
thick ore
poem
thick ore
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cobalt remnant
I found this out of context tweet. Twitter decided it needed context.
jovial oriole
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fathom musk
I found this out of context tweet. Twitter decided it needed context.
Like "Twitter" decides it.
outer pebble
I found this out of context tweet. Twitter decided it needed context.
I have seen this person before
Just kidding
tidal wasp
That last chat gpt response legit sounds like a fallout character
jovial oriole
Only in ot1 💀 💀💀
ionic bane
I found this out of context tweet. Twitter decided it needed context.
Iirc the kids entered the car for like a joy ride and he said he was gonna kidnap the kids, quite funny
tranquil iron
I don't see the humor
cobalt remnant
Prank as a life lesson. The kids were hitch hiking
thick ore
we're not just kidnapping kids, we're saving lives 👍
thick osprey
You've heard of foo bar baz? May I introduce:
foo:bar:baz:qux:quux:corge:grault:garply:waldo:fred:plugh:xyzzy:thud
robust zephyr
where did you get my password!?
thick osprey
This is also an example of "key:pair" values from co-pilot. Yeah... this is why we don't let tools drive. xD
signal scroll
C# Moment
signal scroll
Windows moment
rough sapphire
wayland
harsh tundra
Wtf
Reminds me of C. If you mess up your conditions and execute ERR macro (that checks for errno) when return code was actually 0, the error looks similar because errno is 0 as well
jovial oriole
Ye lets go last exam day
thick ore
when does summer break end for yall?
tardy rain
When does it start 💀
polar kestrel
@neat juniper Have you seen Dragon Prince? (moving here to offtopic)
neat juniper
<@277456733381722113> Have you seen Dragon Prince? (moving here to offtopic)
Nope what is that?
polar kestrel
Another show from the same head writer/director of ATLA
neat juniper
Oh really im assuming since u mentioned it its pretty good?
polar kestrel
It's so-so, but I was actually an animator on it, haha
First 3 seasons are pretty good
tardy rain
The one on netflix?
polar kestrel
yeah!
neat juniper
Thats awesome, ive been looking for something new to watch while I code ill give that a go :)
tardy rain
I keep seeing it pop up there but havent sat down to watch it yet
Rotten tomatoes 100% wtf
neat juniper
100%? wow
polar kestrel
It's definitely not as good as ATLA, but a lot of similar themes and world building
good character writing too
tardy rain
Its kind of hard to get to ATLA levels
polar kestrel
yeah exactly
tardy rain
Impossible probably
ionic isle
Wtf
I can hear it in my head.
Return value
If the function succeeds, the return value is non-zero.
thick ore
no but it only sometimes returns that
ionic isle
Yes, I know. I primarily do Win32 API development so I understand the suffering.
thick ore
i guess i'll just have to suppress that lol
ionic isle
Except I become second-class citizen since I use Rust lol
neat juniper
Its kind of hard to get to ATLA levels
Yeah ATLA was so incredibly made. Im hoping the new animated movie lives up to what ATLA was like
neat juniper
Yeah Ik im so excited for it but cant get hopes up its gonna flop
polar kestrel
it can be difficult to recreate the magic if it's not fully the original team
Which is exactly what happend with dragon prince. The first 3 seasons were all done with the same team, but season 4 was released years later with an all new crew
neat juniper
oh a whole new crew?
tardy rain
Times have changed, anything new would just not feel the same
I wish they would stop doing this
Remaking my futurama 😔
polar kestrel
not entirely, but a lot of the team disbanded after season 3 to move onto new projects
neat juniper
oh ok that makes sense.
Im also worried what the new Avatar is gonna be like :/
Continuing it on is something id love but like its gonna keep going downhill each timeee
jovial oriole
Went to go return my tablet before leaving for this year and someone put this in my backpack
Im pretty sure someone did it while i was waiting in line
tranquil iron
Went to go return my tablet before leaving for this year and someone put this in...
what is it?
low chasm
Its kind of hard to get to ATLA levels
atla is incredibly based
jovial oriole
what is it?
A rubber band ball
Someone also stole my water bottle and put a pokemon card in my locker
Shit card too, some sort of basic electric type
rough sapphire
Kenel calm :3
kernel rage >:(
tranquil iron
Someone also stole my water bottle and put a pokemon card in my locker
gotta say, you live in a rather strange environment
rough sapphire
cant have shit in detroid
royal stratus
pov: you are trying to run a python2 script
tranquil iron
python2 is used by heretics
jovial oriole
pov: you are trying to run a python2 script
Pov you finally found an easy, to use, understand and customize github repo on a topic you are learning and there are not many other resources. which requires simply running 3 commands
shrewd thunder
People are still committing python 2 into production at my workplace
vale raven
People are _still_ committing python 2 into production at my workplace
Have you tried firing them?
shrewd thunder
Have you tried firing them?
No, but one of them did get let go for putting his pronouns in Zoom to (con/fused) and he apparently never understood that pronouns aren't a joke.
vale raven
No, but one of them did get let go for putting his pronouns in Zoom to `(con/fus...
Really?
So if I had my profile at your company, I'd get fired?
shrewd thunder
No, that's actually legit.
robust zephyr
believe it or not, straight to jail
shrewd thunder
You are, in fact, a doggo. Your profile picture proves it.
vale raven
ic ic
rough sapphire
No, but one of them did get let go for putting his pronouns in Zoom to `(con/fus...
company is probably toxic asf
distant hazel
do you know for sure that's the reason they were fired?
seems like an easy correction to make
shrewd thunder
do you know for sure that's the reason they were fired?
Their rather bigoted tirade on Nextdoor the next day strongly implied it.
vale raven
Speaking of
young shoal
or that's what they think they were fired for
vale raven
shrewd thunder
company is probably toxic asf
Yup. Far too much emphasis on being extroverted, being in the office, socializing, and completely ignoring accessibility guidelines in UX/UI design.
shrewd thunder
Actual quote from one of the UI designers at work "Why should I make it more accessible? I can use it just fine, therefore everyone else is just making excuses."
rough sapphire
xD
robust zephyr
kinda sounds like a not so great place to work tbh