ot1-perplexing-regexing

[high haven]

jk then. i am right instead

[young shoal]

I don't know what you're right about

but 😭

[high haven]

[celest plinth]

anyone wanna play chess

[high haven]

speaking of chess

i was at the cafe the other day

and it was late-ish and still pretty crowded

since college town and whatnot

and i was like dang these kids must be studying hard

nope. guy was playing on that site

chess.com

another girl was watching netflix

[grave cove]

Students spending more time and effort on chess.com instead of their studies

[foggy jungle]

The ol' 12AM shower after waking up at like 9PM

My internal clock has relocated itself to somewhere in the oceans.

[high haven]

honestly though

that and tiktok apparently

[high haven]

bro. be honest

are you part eldritch?

[foggy jungle]

[high haven]

[foggy jungle]

Do not read that emoji title please.

[grave cove]

Chuthulu time

[vale raven]

[jaunty wraith]

nah, I have total disk storage used

[crystal spruce]

relatable

[jaunty wraith]

I'm shit at stats 💀

[foggy jungle]

sd stands for sufficiently dumb.

[jaunty wraith]

[foggy jungle]

I was remarking that I am also shit at statistics. 😦

[jaunty wraith]

I see

[foggy jungle]

Maybe not a good trait for an analyst.

[jaunty wraith]

maybe

I did make a whole script to derive the "diff table"

as in get the daily change from the total values

Pandas would've made this so easy

[foggy jungle]

The first project I took on was calculating mean absolute deviations for something like 70,000 items.

And that was... a roller coaster.

Summative statistics gets really messy when you want them to be robust.

I was summarizing economic indicators of a videogame economy using truncated MAD and some other summative statistics, but trying to do that as a first project in Python was kinda' spicy.

I should revisit that project.

[foggy jungle]

Why couldn't you use pandas?

[jaunty wraith]

it's easier for everyone in Google Sheets

so I used the next thing available

which is Apps Script

[foggy jungle]

I really don't think that I've touched Sheets much.
Also I'm farming pithinks, what's up?

[jaunty wraith]

I understood very little of that

[foggy jungle]

Mean absolute deviation is just... the deviation from an average, yeah? Truncated means I'm ignoring some percentile of data to make the function more 'robust', or resistant to significant outliers.

[jaunty wraith]

oh, is that what MAD is

[foggy jungle]

I think it means a few things at this point. Median Absolute Deviation is a thing as well.

[jaunty wraith]

I see, my brain really does not work in the morning

[foggy jungle]

It's okay, that's about the extent of my stats knowledge.

[jaunty wraith]

inb4 Edd comes in with the stats book to bonk us

[foggy jungle]

Edd and stickie taught me basic convolution and I learned how to convolve some function to smooth a plot, which was pretty cool. 🙂

[jaunty wraith]

sounds convoluted

but fun

[foggy jungle]

It was, but it's one of the few times someone has said something math related and I developed an intuition for it and related concepts in a pretty organic manner.

[jaunty wraith]

noice

getting better at stats would benefit me a lot too

when I work with them currently I mostly go with common sense

[foggy jungle]

I often think similarly. I have a really cool book recommendation if you're interested.

[jaunty wraith]

shoot

[foggy jungle]

https://www.amazon.com/Practical-Statistics-Data-Scientists-Essential/dp/149207294X

That might be available for free, but as a basis, there's the Amazon link.

[jaunty wraith]

thanks!

there was a book called something like "how stats are used to fool people" that was on my reading list

[foggy jungle]

[jaunty wraith]

I don't remember the exact name

found it
"How to Lie With Statistics"

.wiki How to Lie With Statistics

[median dome]

Wikipedia Search Results

How to Lie with Statistics
How to Lie with Statistics is a book written by Darrell Huff in 1954 presenting an introduction to statistics for the general reader. Not a statistician

Lies, damned lies, and statistics
"Lies, damned lies, and statistics" is a phrase describing the persuasive power of statistics to bolster weak arguments, "one of the best, and best-known"

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[foggy jungle]

Huh neat.

1954 woo.

[jaunty wraith]

have stats evolved since then, maybe idk

but the concepts in that are probably still applicable

[foggy jungle]

I don't think stats has evolved, but the applications sure have.

[jaunty wraith]

learning basic math and stats when nearing 30 really feels weird

[crystal spruce]

what has evolved over the years is the ability for people who don't know stats to pretend they know stats and use it to back up their arguments

[foggy jungle]

We're in the same boat there Moyen, I'm 28 and doing much the same.

[jaunty wraith]

well, I'm younger than you, old man

[foggy jungle]

[jaunty wraith]

just slightly 🗿

[foggy jungle]

I'm still navigating what I want to do when I grow up lol

[jaunty wraith]

I don't have a plan either

[foggy jungle]

🤷‍♂️ I know I want to do Cybersecurity, but I'm still figuring out the best way to get there.

[jaunty wraith]

aren't you in cybersec school?

[foggy jungle]

I'm in Cybersecurity certification courses, but not school yet. I start in the fall. I'm switching schools though.

[misty radish]

imagine, tik toks source code is leaked

[foggy jungle]

  显示_CCP_内容（）```

[tardy rain]

We dont talk about Tiananmen square

[high haven]

yeah the verge covered this too lol

they were like, they didnt bring him there to ask questions

they brought him there to bash tiktok

[foggy jungle]

This is highly edited from the original interview to make it seem like that huh.

[high haven]

they didnt even grab the other crazy questions

for example, the one about connecting to wifi

omg just tells me congress doesnt understand tech

[foggy jungle]

Some of their questions were pretty pointed in regards to Chinese involvement in TikTok, answers which Mr. Chew weren't able to provide with any confidence.

[high haven]

yeah that was one of the more tangible points

basically

if ccp came down on bytedance, their parent company, could tiktok say no?

the answer is probably not.

and they would have to hand over any data that was asked for. then sworn to secrecy.

honestly, the verge didnt understand the value of that data. yes, they may not care about you and your personal data on an individual-level.

but in aggregate?

thats some highly valuable training data for ML models. valuable enough to make other companies too.

[high haven]

thoughts?

[foggy jungle]

If the data is being tailored or tampered with in any way by a foreign entity, the it loses efficacy as natural training data for ML anyway.

foreign entity in this situation being both the literal sense and the broad sense of 'some external source'

[high haven]

ah im not talking about ML for tiktok. they are already have that down to an art (see chip's take on tiktok's real-time ML algo)

im talking about using it for other ML models to create other companies

[foggy jungle]

Oh are you saying supplying data to some oversight entity?

I think that should be required for any private company period.

[high haven]

no im just saying its very valuable data period. and whoever (whether that is foreign or domestic or whoever) gets a hold of that could be sitting on a cash cow

well ofc they have to execute

[foggy jungle]

I'm not sure you're making a point here.

[high haven]

maybe i am not

i am still tired

[foggy jungle]

All good, I'm just struggling to understand what you're saying. Of course data is worth money.

I'm not sure how that fact relates to the discussion though.

[high haven]

im just rambling about how the verge doesnt get it

dont mind me

[young shoal]

update: laptop almost screwed me during an exam by not turning screen on and flicking. it is seemingly fine now when I'm eating. it has grown aware of when I need it to work

[high haven]

they kept saying that that data isnt that valuable

[high haven]

youre effed

its gonna come after you during finals

[foggy jungle]

The thing that I don't understand is how the Insider article completely missed the point of the interview on the hard hitting questions.

Considering they have a Pulitzer prize for the Uyghur genocide.

[high haven]

oh yeah? what did the article say

also would a tiktok ban be that bad

oh no. you get hours of doom scrolling back! (to spend on another social media platform, perhaps? like discord? )

[jaunty wraith]

54, the true answer to everything

[high haven]

no thats 24

[jaunty wraith]

which 54 is 24

[young shoal]

no that's 84

[high haven]

[jaunty wraith]

https://tenor.com/view/what-do-they-mean-random-numbers-gif-10654449

[high haven]

lmao

whats that from

[jaunty wraith]

COD Black Ops I think

[young shoal]

uncultured

[high haven]

thanks

to both statements

also

[jaunty wraith]

also

[high haven]

idk what i just read...i dont even have a twitter but this was linked in a newsletter... https://mobile.twitter.com/peakcooper/status/1639716822680236032?s=20

Cooper ☕ (@peakcooper)

#GPT4 saved my dog's life.

After my dog got diagnosed with a tick-borne disease, the vet started her on the proper treatment, and despite a serious anemia, her condition seemed to be improving relatively well.

After a few days however, things took a turn for the worse 1/

Likes

25823

Retweets

5711

Twitter · Mar 25, 2023, 7:52 PM

i think i have mixed feelings about the whole thing

[jaunty wraith]

hopefully not satire

[high haven]

apparently not

[jaunty wraith]

mixed feelings like patient info being in Microsoft's hands?

[high haven]

it probably already is

[jaunty wraith]

people: let's cross out the probability and make it a guarantee

[high haven]

[jaunty wraith]

I wouldn't want to give OpenAI that kind of info though
considering the recent debacle

it's not like they're HIPAA compliant

or whatever country's equivalent

on another note, indie artists really don't like AI

considering it isn't great on attribution

[high haven]

like im glad the doggo was saved but voluntarily giving out medical info is kinda 🥴

also lay people probably dont realize this

but these LLMs are statistical machines. they wont be able to reason about edge cases or stuff out of the norm.

[jaunty wraith]

also survivor bias

[karmic gust]

The most impressive part was how well it read and interpreted the blood test results.
🙄

[high haven]

bro that made me roll my eyes too

[rugged owl]

https://youtu.be/d3OPjDWtZ3Y

[high haven]

bro except that one episode!

i will never recover from that tbh

[rugged owl]

DS manager: "I wouldn't trust chatgpt with something that could land me in jail"

[high haven]

or sued

[jaunty wraith]

DS being?

[high haven]

data scientist

[jaunty wraith]

Dr. Seuss

[high haven]

if i had a dr. suess emote, i would use it

[high haven]

oh no

one of the podcasts i listen to

pinned my comment

[jaunty wraith]

is that what you thought about the episode?

[high haven]

for context, there was a section of the podcast where they were giving python a hard time

so i made that comment

[high haven]

there was a 2nd half that gave my true feelings but it is also slightly identifying so i left that out

of the screenshot

[jaunty wraith]

done

nobody shall know the pathway

[high haven]

[jaunty wraith]

good podcast

[high haven]

ye ye

[jaunty wraith]

haven't listened to it in a while tho

[high haven]

i listen to it occasionally

when none of my 1st tier podcasts have released any new eps

[jaunty wraith]

what kind of 1st tier podcasts

[high haven]

mostly data ones

some coding ones

[jaunty wraith]

no zeroes? /s

[high haven]

rn my rotation involves: knn by ken jee, mlops podcast by demetrios, monday morning data chat by joe reis and matt housley, beyond coding by patrick akil, and compiler by red hat

those are my first tier

podcasts

where i usually listen to all new eps

[jaunty wraith]

oh red hat has a podcast?

[high haven]

2nd tier is changelog, SDS by jon krohn, the vergecast, data talks club, some others

[high haven]

yeah they have 2

compiler is a general tech one but still pretty interesting

i think the other one is more cybersec related but i havent listened to it

[jaunty wraith]

how do you get the time 😵‍💫

[high haven]

what do you do when cleaning? podcast

working out? podcast

commuting? podcast

slow work day? podcast

[jaunty wraith]

I... read

not when working out

but other times

[high haven]

you read while working? i see

and while cleaning? thats kinda impressive

jk

[jaunty wraith]

while working, yes

cleaning, I like cleaning

so just cleaning while cleaning

[high haven]

ah

i dont

so i listen to a podcast

and it helps lol

[jaunty wraith]

understandable

[high haven]

[jaunty wraith]

I randomly pressed Ctrl P and got #ot1-perplexing-regexing message

[high haven]

you might like this one
https://open.spotify.com/episode/3gWa1XCjgv8SUUwHHDFAqB?si=_k6Lk9G8TWe55bpN0UF-DA

[jaunty wraith]

lmao what

[high haven]

[high haven]

from their "stack-unstuck series"?

oh yeah that was great

basically reinforced the idea of t-shaped skills

[young shoal]

update: flickering is back

[high haven]

their "re:role series" is great too

oh sg is around

https://www.linkedin.com/posts/benjaminrogojan_how-to-annoy-a-data-person-in-2023-1-ask-activity-7046199793362079744-uo9R

omg if i ever get #3

i would flip some tables

(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻

[tardy rain]

Haha #6, based excel BTFO python jockeys any day of the week

I wish i had a better paying vba role

Python sucks aaaaaaaaaaa

[high haven]

literally the big brain move is to already have the excel file when you make the dashboard.

yeah thats the one

they go up and down the stack

and do an episode on each piece

their next series "re:role" focuses on new roles hired at an imaginary startup

also

theres this irl data event

and im lowkey nervous

[twilit obsidian]

dilbert 🤮

lmao alt-righter blocked me

[dapper dew]

What?

[jaunty wraith]

@high haven, https://k8sgpt.ai/

[tardy rain]

He's mad cause i wont let him react to my messages anymore

[young shoal]

what'd you even do

[rugged owl]

Start WW3

[young shoal]

sounds reasonable enough

[tardy rain]

He was being generally obnoxious at others having different opinions

Mostly at technotanuki

[young shoal]

classic

[twilit obsidian]

I love when alt-righters get mad when they have their sociopathic ideas about overworking the elderly challenged 😎

and then project that anger

top tier comedy gold

[young shoal]

oh is this about the retirement age thing

[twilit obsidian]

eh, more just they seem to generally have hilariously bad takes and it's funny c:

[foggy jungle]

If you came to the server for nuanced politics discussion, you're probably in the wrong place.

[tardy rain]

Calling 60 year olds elderly lol

I know a couple that can put you in your place

This isnt the 1600s

[twilit obsidian]

malding

[tardy rain]

What a child

[twilit obsidian]

who is like "I know someone who can put you in your place" unironically 😂

[tardy rain]

Why dont you go help someone with python and get out of offtopic for a while

[twilit obsidian]

what a sad little man

so angry 👩‍🦲

imagine being mad that people have different opinions 😉

[tardy rain]

.topic

[median dome]

**Would you rather fight 100 duck sized horses or one horse sized duck?**

Suggest more topics here!

[vale raven]

wat

[twilit obsidian]

100 duck sized horses, I could just punt them

a horse is a big fuckin animal

[plucky ridge]

Man you really do love pushing the envelope don't you

[distant hazel]

!mute 1076226663890825219 1d don't post here just to stir things up.

[royal lake]

:ok_hand: applied timeout to @twilit obsidian until <t:1680036862:f> (1 day).

[high haven]

noice. i hope i never have to use this

[high haven]

thanks mina.

[distant hazel]

forgot to respond to your DM

[young shoal]

smfh mina

[distant hazel]

the answer is................................. idk anything yet lol

but can relate to the problem

https://www.linkedin.com/posts/eroltoker_ops-revops-salesoperations-activity-7044977539064221696-3O-d/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=member_android

[young shoal]

oh right. you know there was a toxic spill in PA too

[distant hazel]

we unironically have done this already 2x in the past year alone

[young shoal]

what does that mean

[distant hazel]

creating a new commission plan?

sales reps typically make a decent part of their earnings through commission

instead of earning a fixed salary per pay cycle

so you have to get it right to incentivize the right behavior (more sales, and more of the type of sales you want)

but at the same time reiterating over it constantly is just dumb

if your team can't sell it's not because the comp plan is bad

[young shoal]

i c

[high haven]

yean i only understood some of the meme but it was still funny

[jaunty wraith]

RevOps 👀

[high haven]

oh moyen knows revops?

[jaunty wraith]

I'm guessing it's Revenue Ops

not sure what that means exactly

other than that it's one letter off on the qwerty keyboard

from devops

[high haven]

mina does revops

i think

[young shoal]

wild

[jaunty wraith]

.wiki revops

[median dome]

Sorry, we could not find a wikipedia article using that search term.

[jaunty wraith]

what

[young shoal]

L bozo

[jaunty wraith]

.wiki revenue operations

[median dome]

Wikipedia Search Results

Revenue
In accounting, revenue is the total amount of income generated by the sale of goods and services related to the primary operations of the business. Commercial

Internal Revenue Service
The Internal Revenue Service (IRS) is the revenue service for the United States federal government, which is responsible for collecting U.S. federal taxes

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[jaunty wraith]

bruh

wild IRS appeared

RevOps (or “revenue operations’) is a B2B function that uses automation to help teams make decisions that grow the business. RevOps brings everyone together — from marketing, sales, service, customer success, and finance — around three shared goals: price for better conversion and margin, reduce revenue leakage, and use customer data to identify new revenue opportunities.

[young shoal]

wow

[jaunty wraith]

That's why RevOps is a love story.

Yes, sales and finance have had a rocky start. Finance scolds sales for operating in a “wild, wild west” without controls. Then, sales reacts by calling finance a naysayer who just wants to slow down the deal.

RevOps brings sales and finance together on the same platform and around the same goal. Take all this customer information and use it to grow the business.

Revenue data takes on an air of romance when you’re using it to drive new sales!

[young shoal]

wow, that's so much text for so little information

[jaunty wraith]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[lament cairn]

a "nothing burger" as is known in the trade

[harsh tundra]

Wow. Sounds like managerial position at a corporation - use some buzzwords, do nothing, ???, profit

[young shoal]

cc @distant hazel

[high haven]

wow mina about to school you

[young shoal]

shots fired 😳

[distant hazel]

lmao who wrote the love story blurb

it is a surprising amount of "do nothing" in the sense that it's a lot of obvious common sense stuff that no one else has time/incentive to do because they're too busy in their silo

[young shoal]

at risk of gpt replacement

[high haven]

yeah but that intersection stuff is necessary

something something

conway's law

wait let me try the thing

.wiki conway's law

[median dome]

Wikipedia Search Results

Conway's law
Conway's law is an adage that states organizations design systems that mirror their own communication structure. It is named after the computer programmer

George Conway
George Conway's father, an electrical engineer, worked for defense contractor Raytheon. His mother was an organic chemist from the Philippines. Conway grew

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[high haven]

[young shoal]

interesting

[distant hazel]

revops is slightly broader than this because not all revenue encompasses sales

sales is basically just new revenue

[young shoal]

rex what's the variance of an n-sided die roll

[distant hazel]

but yeah i'm a noob at this so who knows, give me a year or two to figure it out

[young shoal]

you have to realize your full potential 😤

spread your wings 😤 🐤

[high haven]

ask sg.

ask all the stats questions to sg

he has a b.s. in stats

i think

[young shoal]

oh i didn't know that

[high haven]

im abandoning stats

[young shoal]

👀 actually

[high haven]

gonna try to move in eng direction

we shall see how successful i am

[young shoal]

it's (n^2-1)/12 😔

wait

[median dome]

Failed to render input.

View Logs

[young shoal]

oh

.latex $\frac{n^2-1}{12}$

[high haven]

oh nice

[young shoal]

which is a little weird

also i haven't paid attention in class for a week and now there are all these fancy new definitions and shit

variance? covariance? correlation? 😔

[distant hazel]

i remember feeling like 1 week in college felt like a whole month of hs

in terms of material

[young shoal]

this is a self accountability moment

[high haven]

mina

should i go to this thing early

or

[distant hazel]

what thing?

[high haven]

irl meetup thingy

[distant hazel]

you should be 15 minutes late

[high haven]

ok

[young shoal]

what kind of meetup

[high haven]

that was my plan but just wanted to confirm

[high haven]

data

happy hour

[distant hazel]

let all the awkwardness be taken care of by other parties in the first 15 minutes

[high haven]

[young shoal]

happy hour 😳

[high haven]

yeah

apparently the tickets were sold out

and additional 50 tickets were added

but like

yknow

[young shoal]

tickets? to happy hour?

[high haven]

probably only 30 peeps will show up

[high haven]

its free.

i guess the tickets are more just for rsvp purposes

bc

sponsors

would like

a guesstimate

or whatever

so they know how many drinks to buy?

idk

[young shoal]

oh it's free? 👀

[high haven]

yeah

[young shoal]

wild

[high haven]

is it

sponsors usually make things free

[young shoal]

well i want free food

[high haven]

well

go to a tech hub ig

[young shoal]

probably not enough to go to a data thing lol

[high haven]

[high haven]

would you go to any irl thing tho

or nah

[young shoal]

idk

i've gone to stuff at my school, but never any non-school meetup

[distant hazel]

professional dev

[high haven]

school stuff feels dif ngl

dif vibes at professional stuff

[young shoal]

just git rebase -i it all away 👍

[high haven]

not gh hell

[young shoal]

yeah i can understand that

[high haven]

[young shoal]

prob much more formal

[high haven]

eh idk about formal

but more like

[distant hazel]

this isn't me!

[young shoal]

time for a PIP

[high haven]

everyone in the prof world has their act together

or at least seems like it

[wraith hound]

is this on a PR?

[high haven]

if that makes sense

[young shoal]

yeah

[high haven]

like students...are just a different demographic

yknow?

[distant hazel]

no just commits to main

[young shoal]

😬

your company?

[high haven]

also chances are peeps are much smarter

than you

[young shoal]

yeah

[high haven]

well at least me

[young shoal]

yeah

[distant hazel]

yeah it's a brand new repo, idk if it reaaaaaaaaally matters

[high haven]

everyones more humble since someone usually is an expert

in something

/their own niche

[young shoal]

even for a brand new repo, i'd enforce branch protection for main

[wraith hound]

[young shoal]

also does anyone know what that guy in #career-advice wants? they asked about "modules" on this discord ?

[wraith hound]

on a completely unrelated note: honestly it's ridiculous how much seeming like you're giving people information does. i printed out 46 pages of code for a competition (yikes, i know) and i'm pretty sure that carried me through.

the judges could not have possibly read it, but it still was a big part of how i was scored

[high haven]

oh yeah?

hmm i guess i should get ready

[young shoal]

time to be happy

[high haven]

its gonna be like 30 min at this rate

[distant hazel]

i have to pack up my whole office now

wish me luck

[high haven]

oof

gl

[high haven]

45 min

[wild sky]

Sorry

[high haven]

update: fun times

grabbing some late night noms atm

[thick ore]

i'm addicted to clash of code

‼️

[jaunty wraith]

https://tenor.com/view/cute-snek-snake-gif-19212997

[tulip cedar]

Im scared welp

[foggy jungle]

This is adorable and terrifying. Thanks Moyen!

[high haven]

update: my voice is gone

ill just tell my coworkers im sick in our meetings today

[jaunty wraith]

RIP your voice

[high haven]

ikr?

i didnt even ** that much

[jaunty wraith]

you didn't what

[high haven]

**

i hope moyen saw that

otherwise

[plucky ridge]

Quickly, to the message logs!

[high haven]

[jaunty wraith]

oh I saw it

I didn't know you can lose your voice from that

[high haven]

honestly i didnt either

but i think i was dehydrated

i drank 2 cups of water though but the damage was done lmao

this is why my choir director back in uni

said

to never do this activity

before a concert

now i know

why

[jaunty wraith]

you were in a choir? 👀

rex lore

[high haven]

i have to go

uhh

get coffee

(which i actually do)

[jaunty wraith]

coffee is also a dehydrant

[foggy jungle]

diuretic

[young shoal]

update: flickering disappeared on the way to class

[high haven]

for now

ok

successfully lied to my coworkers about being sick

it helped that my voice sounded raw

[young shoal]

bruh

[high haven]

dont you mean:

bruh 😔

[tardy rain]

Morning voice moment

[young shoal]

no that's not pensive

[high haven]

you know it

😉

[high haven]

it is now

[young shoal]

how

[high haven]

also i see you have infected others with your emotes

in #career-advice

the emotions

they are contagious

[young shoal]

i think i react too much. like, almost every message in careers has a react on it

[high haven]

the guy was supposed to be happy

but it just looks sad

with the pensive

😔

[tardy rain]

Its fine, its the right way to use reacts

[high haven]

so you lose your ability to say this statement

[tardy rain]

It doesnt ping, it doesnt take much vertical space

[high haven]

due to this

[high haven]

yeah as long as you dont go full sg. and like react with 10+ emotes

every time he does that

i tell him hes gonna get reacts removed from #career-advice

[tardy rain]

Lmao

Nah its aight

Compared to content in careers its not that bad

Some really pepega posts sometimes

[high haven]

careers be really wildin

sometimes

smh

some people come in

and you can tell

they came from the wild west of the internet

[young shoal]

it's really not fair that companies want the most qualified candidates. i deserve a chance too fr

[high haven]

attacking anybody and everybody trying to help them

[grave cove]

fr

we live in a sosciety

[high haven]

dw

those most qualified candidates

will leave

for even better companies

so the original company usually never gets their first set of choices

[young shoal]

i don't really understand that guy

[high haven]

which guy

[young shoal]

i hope wilder's message will do something

[young shoal]

this guy

[clear acorn]

That guy is right tho

[high haven]

wilder really be doing the mostest

[grave cove]

the mostest

[high haven]

mostestest

[young shoal]

fr

[young shoal]

honestly though.. not expecting much

[high haven]

nope

me either

this has been the nth time

hes tried to help

[young shoal]

😔 feels bad man

[high haven]

its fine

you cant help everyone

so you just help who you can

[young shoal]

😭

it's comedic relief, at least

which is kinda sad

[high haven]

its fine

ken jee had a guy once on the show

that was an amazon warehouse worker

who moved into a data analyst role

pretty inspiring

so its possible

but it does require an inordinate amount of hard work

[young shoal]

that's pretty much this guy's situation, right?

[high haven]

yessir

[young shoal]

did they have a degree?

[high haven]

nope

unless you count high school

degree

[young shoal]

that's me 😔 highest completed

iirc, our guy has an AS

[high haven]

hey thats a step up

these days, how do you feel about associates degrees?

for like

IT jobs (besides programming which usually asks for at least a BS)

[plucky ridge]

What like store clerks?

OH the degree

That makes more sense

[young shoal]

rofl

[high haven]

[young shoal]

¯_(ツ)_/¯ no idea

[high haven]

like

[plucky ridge]

The joke was there, I couldn't not. And for IT, if it gets you in the door then cool. Most places will still prefer the bachelors

[high haven]

i think associates is sufficient for jobs like

help desk

and maybe network admin

sys admin?

i actually dont know the different flavors of IT roles

[plucky ridge]

I mean if you have the ability to be trained they're not needed for any of them

Speaking as IT

[high haven]

right?

but it seems they ask for them anyways?

[plucky ridge]

Network and Sys Admin would really really benefit from the formal training

[high haven]

or just maybe its the overinflated job descriptions

[young shoal]

I think certifications have more weight in this space

[high haven]

i think so too

[plucky ridge]

Depends on the area of it

[high haven]

like comptia A+, Network+, Security+

[plucky ridge]

A+ Certs certainly help

Yeah

Still kicking myself that I never bothered to get mine

[young shoal]

my school offers a IST major

[plucky ridge]

Information Systems Technology?

[young shoal]

science

[plucky ridge]

Ah gotcha

Never heard of that spin on it

[young shoal]

it's like, the less cool CS

[plucky ridge]

Potentially less stressful

Where I was a CIS major, Computer Information Systems

[high haven]

is it more networking stuff?

[plucky ridge]

Which is so broad

SO broad

[high haven]

business stuff?

or dare i say "enterprise technology"?

[young shoal]

CIS is what they call the entire department lol

[young shoal]

they market it as CS but less math

[plucky ridge]

Does that include CS?

[young shoal]

yeah

[plucky ridge]

Weird

Kind of makes sense, though

[high haven]

what do they substitute it with

[young shoal]

idk. more practical stuff I guess

[high haven]

a class on excel?

jk

[young shoal]

https://bulletin.temple.edu/undergraduate/science-technology/computer-information-science/information-science-technology-bs/

[plucky ridge]

Huh

[young shoal]

sounds kinda dumb to me. a CS student is just gonna learn this on their own

[plucky ridge]

It's like a weird IT and CS hybrid

[young shoal]

yeah

[plucky ridge]

Are they though? Network Architectures? QA testing?

Seems like something they'd forego

[high haven]

it is like a IT/CS hybrid

very weird indeed

[plucky ridge]

E-Commerce System Development

Huh

[high haven]

yeah this is more broad for sure

database management systems too

[plucky ridge]

Interesting courses, though

[high haven]

idk if every CS major takes a database course

one would hope so though

since theyre so key

[plucky ridge]

Yeah there's quite a few I think CS wouldn't cover or want to

[grave cove]

Is there a langdev degree

[high haven]

yeah for sure

[high haven]

like creating a programming language?

[grave cove]

yah

[high haven]

i see that sometimes in graduate programs

as a concentration

under like

[grave cove]

I think that'd be fun

[high haven]

software eng

[grave cove]

There are like compilers 101 courses that I want to take

[plucky ridge]

I think I was classified as a CIS major with a focus on IT or Programming

[high haven]

some people's phd dissertations is about creating a programming language that is more accessible

[plucky ridge]

Can't remember which

[high haven]

like for those with disabilities, if that makes sense @grave cove

[grave cove]

Tho I'm going for a masters not a PhD

[high haven]

dont go for a phd

[young shoal]

I think it's an elective lol. but we do get relational algebra

[high haven]

3 masters > 1 phd

[grave cove]

Nah I don't wanna do academia

[high haven]

dont do it

[plucky ridge]

I somehow read that as "religion algebra"

[high haven]

im sure there were a lot of politics at hand

no one saw anything

[plucky ridge]

Quickly, to the message lo- fuck it I'm too lazy

[young shoal]

leak the logs

[grave cove]

Something about someone back on the job market after failing a PhD

[high haven]

robin saw

[grave cove]

Been hittin the booze last night eh?

[high haven]

listen

my voice is still gone

and i didnt even ** that much

[young shoal]

mhm

[grave cove]

it happens

[high haven]

also

the amount of peeps that were in physics

and moved into tech

soooo many

like

one guy got his phd in condensed matter something something

now hes an open source developer for **

on the ** project

distributed training

ill stop lol

[young shoal]

cause they're doing the cooler jobs

[plucky ridge]

"Cool"

Sitting around talking about algorithms in order to get .001 seconds faster on code

Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

[young shoal]

if that .001 seconds makes your company an extra billion dollars, it's worth it 😛

[plucky ridge]

I guess I'm confusing cool with enjoyable

But I'm probably just sour because I'm too dumb for it all

[gritty zinc]

me getting a degree in condensed matter something something and pretending I'm going to be a scientist (I'm good at lying to myself)

[grave cove]

Cope harder

[young shoal]

at least i switched to something attainable in hs

[grave cove]

What was it before?

[young shoal]

physics or math or something

[grave cove]

Lol I know classmates that are aiming for math degrees

[tranquil iron]

specialization in HS is, IMO, a mistake

[plucky ridge]

I kind of miss my original major

[grave cove]

Is it that bad?

[tranquil iron]

HS is for forcing kids to learn shit they hate

[grave cove]

fr

me in world geography class

[high haven]

bruhhhhhh

[grave cove]

(Most useless class ever)

[tranquil iron]

I find geography to be quite interesting

[high haven]

now i feel bad

i didnt mean any offense

[tranquil iron]

don't tell me you're one of those people that think canada is a US state 😋

[grave cove]

the 52nd state

[gritty zinc]

of matter

[high haven]

i just couldnt remember any words besides "condensed matter"

[young shoal]

i agree

[gritty zinc]

i mean, you remembered right, it's like either condensed matter something something or astrophysics these days

[high haven]

there was a girl. also phd in physics.

now works for ** company

[tranquil iron]

oh come on, that's silly. girls don't do physics

[grave cove]

My physics teacher has a habit of going on quantum chromodynamics rants for an hour and giving us extra homework because he got side tracked during class time

[high haven]

they do now

def smarter than me lmao

[tranquil iron]

wait... are you implying that I'm old?

[tranquil iron]

if I knew what quantum chromodynamics was, would I find that funny?

[high haven]

are you implying im young

[grave cove]

probably not

I have no idea what it is either

[tranquil iron]

I cannot see that emoji

[grave cove]

doesn't stop him from ranting about it for an hour to high school students

[high haven]

good

[grave cove]

As long as I get the credits for the class I don't really care

[high haven]

[tranquil iron]

all frogs are evil. by definition.

[gritty zinc]

i recently read through my old QM notes, and found a note saying something like "it's not clear what the third spin state of photon, which is a transverse wave and only has a 2d space of polarizations, corresponds to; you'll learn more about it in quantum field theory", and now several years later I've had quantum field theory and still have no idea

[grave cove]

[grave cove]

Every single word you just said took the next flight and flew right over my head

[tranquil iron]

I don't have any QM notes 😦

[grave cove]

✈️

[high haven]

sounds about right

wait

reptile, you in a grad program for physics too?

[tranquil iron]

where are these lines from? "what store are you in?" "I'm at the soup store!" "why are you buying cloths at the soup store?" "f**k you!"

[high haven]

planning on going the tech route afterwards

or

[gritty zinc]

you know how photons are bosons with spin 1? well, that means they can have 3 possible spin projections - +1, 0, -1. the first and last ones are circularly polarized waves, but what is the middle one? it can't just be e.g. linear polarizations because they can be represented as a mix of two circulars.

[grave cove]

that's crazy

[tranquil iron]

phff, sure. everyone knows that, even little kids

[grave cove]

🤯🤯🤯

[gritty zinc]

i'm working on my masters, so I count as a undergrad, if I understand that correctly

[high haven]

oh gotcha. over here you would count as grad.

bachelors is undergrad over here. anything higher is grad.

if I understood that correctly

[high haven]

also what are your plans after graduating

tech route or academia (physics)

or neither

i say neither

bc i met one guy who did his bachelors in physics

then went on to do his phd in philosophy

while all his physics friends went into software/data

[gritty zinc]

i don't actually have much of a choice because I'm in Russia, where one needs to be studying constantly unless one wants to get drafted; so academia

[grave cove]

ah yes
filosofy

[high haven]

oof

well best of luck bud

[foggy jungle]

"What are you studying?"
"Everything, everywhere, all at once."

[high haven]

you changed your name again? i thought you were a new guy too

[harsh tundra]

Isn't undergrad bachelor's? I always thought "grad" is when you already have one degree and continue

[foggy jungle]

You have interacted with me while I was using this name Rex.

[gritty zinc]

i have no idea

[high haven]

insert psvm's classic emote

[high haven]

have i?

[foggy jungle]

100%

[high haven]

[plucky ridge]

Bachelor's or Associate's

[gritty zinc]

i thought "grad student" means working for a phd-equivalent, which I'm a master's degree away from even starting

[high haven]

f**k

[plucky ridge]

Counts towards masters, too

[tranquil iron]

you're not a graduate student until you've graduated

[foggy jungle]

Undergraduate---|Bachelors|---Grad Student-----|Masters|

[grave cove]

Guys

Guess what

[harsh tundra]

Sad. Idk what are the terms of accepting Russians in Poland... I heard the US (and maybe Canada) are turning away fleeing Russians, basically sentencing them to jail for avoiding draft, or going to the war...

[plucky ridge]

Chicken butt

[foggy jungle]

Chicken butt.

[grave cove]

I'm a graduated cylinder

[tranquil iron]

this isn't rocket science, man

unless, of course, you're majoring in rocket science

then it is

[plucky ridge]

I can use you to measure liquids?

[foggy jungle]

You're fragile?

[plucky ridge]

There's plastic ones

[foggy jungle]

You underestimate my clumsyness.

clumsieness?

[harsh tundra]

Ye, Associate's isn't really a thing here, but basically: first higher education level. (Undergraduate because you're not yet a graduate - you don't have any title)

[high haven]

clumseeness

[grave cove]

I'm clumsier

[foggy jungle]

you underestimate my ability to hands.

[plucky ridge]

Oh huh, learn something new every day

[high haven]

rip chemistry class

[tranquil iron]

chemistry is a lie

[grave cove]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/637820308341915648/1081959527664066630/ckrf56p8xula1.png

[harsh tundra]

Your pfp doesn't have hands

[grave cove]

Me every 2 minutes

Am so clumsy

Oops

[high haven]

do you have polytechnics instead?

[grave cove]

Did it again

[foggy jungle]

Oh it doesn't have any arms does it.

[grave cove]

sus tentacle pepe

[tranquil iron]

your exhibitionist behavior is inappropriate.

[foggy jungle]

How does Hydra eat with no arms

[grave cove]

don't make me drop my neofetch picture again

[harsh tundra]

I mean, all our levels of education got translated to bachelor's, master's, and doctorate. There's nothing between high school and bachelor's...
... Wait, no. Technical high schools have the trade exams - according to EU, those qualifications are on same level as Associate's

[foggy jungle]

just some tiny little feets

[grave cove]

It uses one of its other eight heads

[tranquil iron]

how does a pea urinate with no bladder?

[grave cove]

hehehehehe peanut butter

[foggy jungle]

Who starts a conversation like that

[grave cove]

Peter griffin

[harsh tundra]

Polytechnic gives you bsc/msc in engineering
Uni gives you normal bsc/msc (or b-whatever/m-whatever, I don't get why English has so many types of those)

[high haven]

i see

[foggy jungle]

Guys... the malware author sent a cute emoji. 😦

[high haven]

guess you gotta let 'em go

[high haven]

they sent a cute emoji

[foggy jungle]

I can't deal.

[high haven]

aww

they sent that?

thats p cute

[harsh tundra]

My polytechnic's English name doesn't even say it's a polytechnic, lol. Politechnika Warszawska, but official English name is Warsaw University of Technology XD. WUT

[high haven]

give 'em a pass

[foggy jungle]

This particular individual has a few crypto wallets with stolen money on them amounting to around 600 USD.

[grave cove]

bruh

[harsh tundra]

Tell them to send cat or dog photos. If they own a pet, they cannot be a bad person! (/s)

[high haven]

to echo robin's sentiment

bruh

[foggy jungle]

We farming bruhs?

[harsh tundra]

Also, maybe the pet names or pet photos could be used for osint?

[foggy jungle]

bruh.

[harsh tundra]

Tell them we'll let them go if they donate to get my MIL's fridge fixed. Broke today :c

[young shoal]

bruh

[foggy jungle]

If I take a nap soon I might be able to un-screwup my sleep

Alternatively, the dude that was dming people on the Discord with that neu2.exe is spamming packages onto pypi, and I'd like to keep an eye out for it.

[high haven]

i only learned about polytechnics since my friend sent me this.

[tranquil iron]

he shouldn't be doing that

[high haven]

s l e e p

[tranquil iron]

that seems a bit overly complicated

[high haven]

that was my impression

as well

but what do i know

[tranquil iron]

in the US, "polytechnics" are just universities with "polytech" in their name

e.g. rensselaer polytechnic institute

[high haven]

looks like they have a bunch of various standardized exams too

like "A vs. O vs. T" exams

leading to dif pathways

[jaunty wraith]

AOT exams 👀

[harsh tundra]

Isn't that the same person who originally was DMing people here to install some package? Or did I confuse it... I think i did...

Or... Wait, its the jarjar person? The one who made a bigoted website because they so much don't care about queer people that they need to own hate domain?

[high haven]

attack on titan

[tranquil iron]

in korea, there is just the university entrance exam. held once a year. tests writers are isolated in a mountain retreat. tests themselves are distributed by armed guards.

[foggy jungle]

jarjar is different than the later person.

[jaunty wraith]

weeb confirmed

[tranquil iron]

your score determines which university you go to. which mostly determines your future life path. after the army, if you're male, of course

[jaunty wraith]

seems… overkill

[foggy jungle]

NEU2.exe and dcbot.jar were being distributed (and I assume, kat can probably confirm if you want to bother them) for awhile here to some degree or another, considering she had a locked and loaded script to get rid of the exe at its install location.

[harsh tundra]

... Wait, yes. I confused it. Jarjar is the DO not taking action website, main page still working. Right

[tranquil iron]

it's worse in taiwan. there they publish your university entrance exam scores. in the newspapers. so EVERYONE gets to see just how much you suck. lol.

[high haven]

only one happy path. or else.

[tranquil iron]

it could be worse. entrance to top universities could be based on who your parents are, random extracurriculars, how well you click with whomever you interview with, how much the essay grader likes your essay topic, etc

I mean, how is that fair?

[tranquil iron]

oh, no one thinks it's a "happy path", it's just that no one can think of a better way that's still unbiased.

[high haven]

oh ik its not a happy path

thats just one of those overloaded terms

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Happy_path

[tranquil iron]

entrance into the gov bureaucracy has been done this way in the far east for over 1000 years at this point. who are we to change it?

[high haven]

[tranquil iron]

could be worse. in the bad old days (say before around 500 BC), it used to be based on who your parents were (i.e. "noble blood").

how is that fair?

[young shoal]

yeah but you could also kill people and then become king that way

[high haven]

[tranquil iron]

indeed, you could. many have tried. a handful of even succeeded. but then you have to create and maintain a bureaucracy to oppress the masses. how do you do that efficiently so that your head remains attached to your body? that is the question.

[young shoal]

sounds easy enough

[plucky ridge]

Duct tape would help with the head on body part

[high haven]

or

just become a dullahan

ez

[jaunty wraith]

you can't be a cheery dullahan

[young shoal]

I'll just give everyone cake

[tranquil iron]

cake is a tool of bourgeoisie oppression

[high haven]

why not

[tranquil iron]

wtf is a cheery dullahan?

[jaunty wraith]

because they're dull-ahans

[tranquil iron]

?

[young shoal]

prof wants us to develop a BASIC interpreter

[jaunty wraith]

this is the same UB prof, right

[young shoal]

no different one

i like this prof

[tranquil iron]

so what's the problem?

[young shoal]

no issue so far

well, other than the fact that i'm pretty sure it's above the level of almost everyone in the class

[tranquil iron]

I can't see how a basic basic would be more than a few hundred lines of code

I guess if you've never ever written a parser it could be a bit of a challenge. but you can crib a recursive descent parser from a thousand sources

[young shoal]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

i'm learning how to use javacc. it's interesting

[tranquil iron]

is your BASIC supposed to have user defined functions? local variables?

[young shoal]

idk

so far it just has defining variables

which is p simple

[tranquil iron]

then essentially it's just a line parser (command expression), an expression parser (recursive descent + function calls), a list structure for lines of source code and a dict for the variables. easy peasy.

oh, and a bunch of build-in commands and functions that you dispatch to, of course

and a program counter to tell you where you are

[young shoal]

indeed

[tranquil iron]

I bet you could whip up a mostly working prototype in a day

[young shoal]

probably

[high haven]

https://www.theverge.com/2023/3/28/23659691/disney-metaverse-job-cuts-eliminated

[young shoal]

prob just gonna skip lab again today

[rugged owl]

Go to lab lazy bones.