ot1-perplexing-regexing

[floral apex]

#ot1-perplexing-regexing sounding like a Daft Punk album/song

[jovial oriole]

What even is daft punk

[floral apex]

https://www.youtube.com/@daftpunk/playlists

[thin cloak]

Avoid side effects....no love

[sudden hemlock]

scaled by the eigenvalues IIRC?

[jovial oriole]

Rate montage (not sure if that's the right word) 1-10.819 https://youtu.be/AXdtkXbpxBk

[jaunty wraith]

big https://solidus.io/

[round rose]

moderately sized solidus

comically large solidus

[rough sapphire]

you think I should

shave my beard

to go to a date

[tardy rain]

Yes

Or at least trim it, shape it up

[low chasm]

depends, is it like, an unkept beard, or do you maintain it

[rough sapphire]

unkept

[grave cove]

The Big Solidus returns

[frail mural]

How would I run through every row in a specific column, apply on a function on that row and then save the value in another column without creating two dataframes and concatting them?

This is my current solution:

# For every row it writes whether or not the OCR detected the keywords listed in the keyword dict.
def recordHasKeywordForDataFrame(df,keyword_dict,pipeline):
    hasKeyworddf = df.apply(lambda x: checkFilepathForKeyword(x['Filepath'],pipeline,keyword_dict), axis=1)
    return pd.concat([df,hasKeyworddf],axis=1)```

The df I pass is just a dataframe consisting of a single column of filepaths to images. 

The functkion "checkFilepathForKeyword" returns a boolean.

I want to create a new column in the df called "HasKeyword" and add the result of the function call to these for each row.

[tardy rain]

Cant you just df["checked"] = df["name"].apply(...)

[jovial oriole]

Was in the gym rn
And someone put on the yt outro music on the speaker 💀
https://youtu.be/3_-a9nVZYjk

And everyone screamed as soon as the beat dropped

[frail mural]

Oh damn, I could.

Does this initialize an extra df object though? Or does it just change the df I pass into the function?

Like, my issues is, that I do not know whether or not I have enough memory for two df of the sizes I need.

[tardy rain]

It should just create a new Series object and assign it to a column in your existing df

[ionic bane]

And ill see you in the next one✌️

[cold canyon]

The true "gains" music

[mystic isle]

here is something in regards of the channel's name (nonsense-diagrams)

[this is xkcd btw, can't remember the comic number of this]

[soft mica]

https://xkcd.com/2038/

[sterile sapphire]

https://youtu.be/9We6tZ6bgcw

kevin conroy batmannnn

[grave ferry]

This is official Karen symbol

[floral apex]

https://youtu.be/G2wICtgtrn0?t=350 The importance of acronyms

[restive ledge]

@hallow stone i forgot to teach you one more thing that is important and relevant to what we were talking about, the reason why your first solution didn't do anything is actually because the result of series.str[start:end] is another series, and you can't call string method on a series. let me show you what i mean

!e

import pandas as pd

ser = pd.Series(['hello', 'hey', 'hi'])

print(f"type of ser.str = {type(ser.str)}")
print(f"type of ser.str[1:2] = {type(ser.str[1:2])}")

[royal lake]

@restive ledge :white_check_mark: Your 3.11 eval job has completed with return code 0.

001 | type of ser.str = <class 'pandas.core.strings.accessor.StringMethods'>
002 | type of ser.str[1:2] = <class 'pandas.core.series.Series'>

[restive ledge]

the object you can call string methods on is pandas.core.strings.accessor.StringMethods which you get from calling .str on a series, and only on that object you can call methods such as split, replace etc

and that's why your solution was not working as you expected it to work

[hallow stone]

ohh

I see

[flint basin]

@vale raven here’s my day 6 solution in rust btw https://github.com/akabinds/aoc2022/blob/master/src/bin/day6.rs

Not sure if u saw my previous message

just remembered again that you had asked for it

[vale raven]

[carmine apex]

since you're here, @vale raven , i must say, your new present avatar is rather silly. but i kinda like it

[vale raven]

Silly?

[vale raven]

Who doesn't want a dog for Christmas!?

[carmine apex]

well i mean it occludes half of the picture

[vale raven]

Yeah, I do admit it doesn't fit quite perfectly

[jovial oriole]

It feels like Sunday 3 weeks ago was yesterday

[ionic bane]

Dog?

No, i want you for Christmas 😳

[thick ore]

real rizz

[fiery vessel]

I just went from Gold 2 to Silver 4 for OW2 season 2

crazy ass 16 losing streak wtf lmao

[rough sapphire]

What exactly is the problem with data being sold to advertisers?

[warped sentinel]

you have no control about what information about yourself is being sold to whom

[royal lake]

Hey @steady jacinth!

It looks like you tried to attach a Python file - please use a code-pasting service such as https://paste.pythondiscord.com

[steady jacinth]

i hate you python bot

[royal lake]

Hey @steady jacinth!

You either uploaded a .txt file or entered a message that was too long. Please use our paste bin instead.

[steady jacinth]

now i hate you even more

@soft mirage

hi

it first of all eliminates any words which dont have the same starting letter and last letter

makes a few less words to deal with

[carmine apex]

does word == word[::-1] not work?

[steady jacinth]

oh

hmm

wdym

here be the algo: ```py
import Wordy

contenders = [word for word in Wordy.wordlist if word[0] == word[-1]]
palindromes = []
for word in contenders:
length = len(word) //2
valid = True
for char in range(length):
if word[char] != word[-(char+1)]:
valid = False
if valid:
palindromes.append(word)
palindromes[:] = sorted(palindromes, key=len)
print(palindromes)

it starts by assuming it to be a palindrome, then tries to prove it is not

[steady jacinth]

trying the cheaty way

works

🥱

which one?

thursway?

[carmine apex]

got enough reactions there?

[steady jacinth]

discord wouldnt let me add any more 😔

why is that good>

[carmine apex]

i think 20 is enough

[floral apex]

https://youtu.be/bqTPLE79Q3g?t=11

the cost of free convenience with online services

[floral apex]

(although this is a bit of a generalization)

[warped sentinel]

true story.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4o2PDwKdcA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJvJNLmPkXs

[frozen crane]

@young shoal

[young shoal]

bruh

[frozen crane]

bruh

[young shoal]

bruh

[frozen crane]

brUh

also how did quora know

[young shoal]

there's this one guy, Mark something

[ionic bane]

rober?

[young shoal]

who always answers questions about data science and says data science isn't a real job and draws red crosses on screenshots

[frozen crane]

what does he draw the red crosses for? does he take screenshots with the words "data science" and cross them out, because he hates data science?

[young shoal]

apparently he's an MLE

he screenshots other answers and crosses them out

he is against people learning math for machine learning

ah, "Mike West"

https://www.quora.com/Can-someone-who-is-good-with-only-Excel-skills-be-considered-as-a-data-analyst/answer/Mike-West-99

here's one

[young shoal]

he calls them "faker scientists"

also says postgres is a toy database 🤔🤔🤔

[frozen crane]

@young shoal he sounds like an unhinged person who was hurt by a data scientist/analyst.

If you want to use excel, become a business analyst or financial analyst… they love Excel. It is NOT a big boy data tool.
yes, because it's the most popular tabular data manipulation tool for non-programmers. not everyone has to be a programmer. and what's this about big vs little boys?

[carmine apex]

apparently he wrote a book last year (https://www.packtpub.com/product/authoring-machine-learning-models-from-scratch-video/9781803238272), and the code's not all that great: https://github.com/PacktPublishing/Authoring-Machine-Learning-Models-from-Scratch/blob/main/video2_9/Building Machine Learning Algorithms in Python - Evaluation Metrics.ipynb

[wraith hound]

what

what is a real database, then?

[frozen crane]

all the indents are tabs

[carmine apex]

8 spaces, too. but it looks like west didn't upload or commit it, so that may not be his fault

[wraith hound]

tabs are variable length

github renders them as 8 by default

[young shoal]

they say mssql

[wraith hound]

lmfao

[frozen crane]

surprised he's not an anti-notebook diehard

[wraith hound]

that is peak comedy

[young shoal]

he also says there are no entry level roles in AI

[carmine apex]

why is there no TIL reaction emoji, discord?

[frozen crane]

depends on what is meant by "entry level"

[wraith hound]

because they steal from twemoji

[young shoal]

if you read through his answers, a lot of the time you see questions about boot camps or some course and he goes "you won't get a job any time soon, good luck kid. there are no entry level roles in AI"

they also like this one picture of a barista

[frozen crane]

ha
ahaha
AHAHAHA

I was a barista before I was an AI developer

was technically employed by both for a time

[young shoal]

there's questions like "what is the average salary of a data scientist" and he goes "LMAO i love this site. so many moronic questions. ZERO. the data scientist is a fad"

[frozen crane]

they're not entirely wrong, but that's still a shit-tier answer

they should really be banned from answering.

[young shoal]

yeah 😔 i'm assuming they adopt this personality to get people to watch his video and do his course

it's funny because he roasts all the other courses for being bad and not helpful for getting a job but has his own course

hopefully they aren't actually like this in real life 😔

[frozen crane]

if you're willing to be an asshole to someone you can't see, that doesn't make you less of an asshole.

[young shoal]

hm? i'm saying it's a character

[frozen crane]

oh

well, even if they have ulterior motives, I don't think that excuses their behavior

and it's shitty of him to shit on starbucks workers. it's a lot harder than being an AI dev.

[young shoal]

well yeah. but it's working apparently. we're talking about him

[frozen crane]

are we giving him money?

talk is cheap.

[young shoal]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[frozen crane]

so what was everyone's favorite new vocabulary item for 2022

mine is Dark Brandon

[young shoal]

what is that

[frozen crane]

do you know about lets go brandon?

[young shoal]

yeah

[frozen crane]

dark brandon is joe biden's evil alter ego

[young shoal]

huh

with the red lights and stuff

[frozen crane]

yes

[young shoal]

why did he do that

[frozen crane]

cuz he's evil

[young shoal]

but like actually

[frozen crane]

he's in front of independence hall, and other parts of the building were lit up in blue

[young shoal]

ah

kinda wild though

[frozen crane]

there's also Dank Brandon

[vale hull]

tbh Monocraft is easier to read than included monospace fonts

[young shoal]

what is monocraft

[vale hull]

Monospace Minecraft font

[young shoal]

why would anyone want to code with that

[vale hull]

A solid part of my life was on Minecraft so maybe for people used to seeing it.

Also same experience using ComputerCraft's built-in editor

[young shoal]

it's so cluttered

[frozen crane]

has big arcade game energy

[young shoal]

has big "time to switch fonts" energy

[frozen crane]

I use word as my ide so I can have different fonts for each class

[grave cove]

you don't use microsoft paint?

bit cringe innit

[frozen crane]

yes I'm v sus/cringe

[grave cove]

[frozen crane]

!otn s sus

[royal lake]

Query results

• brad’s-sushi-taco-classifier
• german-name-generator-suspense
• jesus-christ-this-is-a-python-server
• stelercus-is-sus
• sushi-is-like-minecraft-blocks
• the-jesus-car
• the-jesus-cdr

[grave cove]

haha stelercus-is-sus

[acoustic moss]

youth icon

[grave cove]

swag stel fr no cap on jah

W

[vale hull]

at least I am not writing code in the Terraria font 😆

[rough sapphire]

gtp3

gpt3

write for me a funny python program to make my colleagues lol 

is what i said

[elfin holly]

does anyone play chess?

[thick ore]

there are a lot of people that play chess

[floral apex]

Imagine seeing the-jesus-cdr as the name after the-jesus-car

[candid grotto]

Yes,there are a lot of people that play chess

[thin cloak]

And AI

[jovial oriole]

What

[jovial oriole]

Probably

[clear plume]

stel…

[vale hull]

Here you go

[elfin holly]

well I expected someone interested to play a round to answer, but yeah from 350k or how many people are here, someone should surely play

[craggy crypt]

what font?

[vale hull]

Andy, used by Terraria

[craggy crypt]

👀

[vale hull]

Actually making a monospace version of it right now

[craggy crypt]

sick

[vale hull]

got to fix the widths...

[boreal knoll]

how are the off topic channel names generated?

[dapper dew]

!off-topic-names

[royal lake]

Off-topic channels

There are three off-topic channels:
• #ot0-psvm’s-eternal-disapproval
• #ot1-perplexing-regexing
• #ot2-never-nester’s-nightmare

The channel names change every night at midnight UTC and are often fun meta references to jokes or conversations that happened on the server.

See our off-topic etiquette page for more guidance on how the channels should be used.

[grave cove]

Something funny happens in staff lounge

We add it to the pool

Also happens outside staff chat occasionally

[warped herald]

Well, people do play chess, it would not be known if nobody played it. Perhaps you were meaning to ask if I played chess?

[worthy pewter]

what color are your teeth

[jovial oriole]

💀

[regal bluff]

i do

[lean bone]

well i think we should use the best lightweight ide MS paint 🤓

[floral apex]

Which Robin are you? @grave cove

Are you Tim, Jason Todd, Dick Grayson or Damien Wayne?

[carmine apex]

why not ||robin|| john blake

[grave cove]

you're mom

[jovial oriole]

"Uh well actually mister 🔥🔥🔥✏️✏️🔥🔥🔥 jit + tripping and ratio uWu amon Gustavo fring ur mum and I make andrew tatillion dollars on LeBron James 😳😳😳 average npc whenthe arson and felony tax fraud" 🤓🤓🤓

[grave cove]

mongus

[jovial oriole]

[grave cove]

please stop posting this stuff

[elfin holly]

well I meant to ask if anyone is up for a round more or less

[elfin holly]

up for a round?

[thick ore]

@floral apex do you still remember your brainfuk drawing 😭

[elfin holly]

I think its a bit too much to post it in such a server

[thick ore]

kek mb

[regal bluff]

r u going to use ur chess bot

[hidden pebble]

making a lexer in rust and i have no clue what im doing

lol

[floral apex]

If you're making a programming language, look into logos

[hidden pebble]

That seems interesting, thanks!

[jovial oriole]

Joe can I plz be server owner 🥺🥺🥺🥺

Am not scamerr

[shell raptor]

@mortal prairie hello, please don't spam

[warped herald]

I enjoy chess, I can play with you.

[jovial oriole]

Based (reposted from r/damnthatsintresting

[elfin holly]

alright, do you play on lichess?

[heady kelp]

Logo looks very cool

[thin cloak]

Scheme based maybe so you can have evil scheme lang

Mua hahaha

[lime ledge]

I have a problem... I have an infogram I want to extract the data from (like in the form of a spreadsheet or dataset)

But I can't find out how. If I was the creator of the infogram supposedly I could hit a simple download button, so it may be possible to manipulate that? Since the data is shown in the graph and there is a theoretical download source.

The infogram in question is https://infogram.com/average-cd-rates-1984-2022-1h7j4dv98ozy94n

It would be super slow but possible to record all of the data manually but I'm wondering if there's a way

[violet roost]

the fuck is incriptinate

[subtle dagger]

In game dev companies, are they acutally allowed to force you to do overtime?

if not then why do ppl work the overtime?

[thick osprey]

In most cases the company has no legal ability to force you to work. In most of those most cases the company also has no legal obligation to keep you on payroll.

So one of the possible answers to your question is that people need paychecks.

[subtle dagger]

oh ok

so basically ppl only work the overtime so they dont get fired?

[thick osprey]

that one possible reason, sure.

[subtle dagger]

whats the other reasons?

[rough sapphire]

reasons?

[thin cloak]

So you don't appear to be a slacker plus peer pressure

Had done OT and overnight in my first IT job and that's it

Leads to burnout

[rough sapphire]

Maybe they have work pressure, maybe they are bored

[thin cloak]

To meet a deadline set by management without consulting you

Then they sing praise if met or pour blame if not

Inevitably people leave

[rough sapphire]

Slackware? 👀

[thin cloak]

First version of Linux I used.. installed in grad school lab PCs to torment MS students with gcc and vi as TA of a crazy prof

[rough sapphire]

Ah nice.

[thin cloak]

Seen grown mil type cri in that class

Also taught numerical methods using gcc and vi

[mystic isle]

I feel bad for the professor

For reasons I will not imply

[thin cloak]

He had some frustrations in life and may have took it out on others

[mystic isle]

that sounds like the beginning of a Horror + psychological movie

[thin cloak]

It was for some students lmao

I had a few profs like that at uni..
We call em terror profs

Sometimes only square root of class pass

So academia as a filter rather than lifting everyone to their potential

I think it gotten less bad after teacher evaluation was implemented. I did a python script for that lmao

Uni I went to is well known brand in my country

I think Sometimes the abuse perpetuates itself like if one gen experience terror profs that breeds next generation terror profs

[mystic isle]

hmm.....

very interestinng

[thin cloak]

Lmao I checked reddit for my uni terror profs still is a topic

Not only my uni thou many others in my country

Could be a cultural thing

Mostly in top tier universities

[jade stag]

qq

[thin cloak]

So prepare for broken dreams or be tuff

Or extra smart

[jade stag]

@thin cloak Can I ask for help in finding a bug in my code?

[thin cloak]

Oki

[jade stag]

ty

[violet roost]

also known as a standard education

[mystic isle]

yeah

[thin cloak]

The output of such is an undifferentiated degree

Then the nightmare of a job hunt

The horror movie may not end

Then you get a crappy job and and take it and get abuse from employers

Too many college graduates

So maybe not enough terror profs

Or we should restructure society in some radical way to fix it and give more opportunities at every stage in life

Make the nightmare end lmao

[frozen crane]

@solid elbow what do you think about NFTs? I think public opinion has been turning against cryptocurrency for a while, so I wonder if NFTs were intended to give people a new reason to want to use them.

[solid elbow]

they're like crypto meets trading cards, I guess?

so, uh - not terribly useful.

[wraith hound]

oh, really?

i've seen even more hate for NFTs than general crypto

given the horrible environmental effects as well as the moral issues of intentionally introducing scarcity

maybe that's just my experience though ¯_(ツ)_/¯

well, i have heard the occasional teenager talking about NFTs at school, so there's that

[frozen crane]

I think the value proposition of NFTs was oversold. you can't really "have" an NFT. an NFT is an entry in the append-only leger saying that a specific (non-fungible, NF) token (T) is associated with your ID in that leger.

[thin cloak]

It was indeed

[frozen crane]

which is great if a bunch of mutually-distrustful parties want a way of tracking ownership of non-fungible things. but like the use-case for cryptocurrencies (mutually distrustful parties tracking amounts of a fungible currency), it's a pretty rare problem.

[thin cloak]

Let us give a strong use case may be ... if you are a digital asset creator and you want your stuff to have some proof of authenticity or ownership

[solid elbow]

like collecting pokemon, but without the game.

[thin cloak]

It's the speculation that killed it

[frozen crane]

buying digital art is really the only way I've seen NFTs used. but like I said: the value proposition was oversold. you can access a given art piece without having the NFT for it. and the art itself is not the NFT.

[solid elbow]

but speculation is literally its only value proposition. The most generous interpretation of NFTs is that collecting NFTs is like collecting art - but the entire market for art is speculation, there's no inherent value, it's worth as much as someone will buy it for.

[frozen crane]

my dad is a professional artist. and he told me that the value of a given art piece is whatever value is ascribed to it by the greater fool.

[thin cloak]

Since valuation is subjective

Eye of the bee holder lmao

[thin cloak]

NFT like a proof of authenticity then a piece of paper signed by the artist distinct from the work itself

Whose valuation is subjective too

[solid elbow]

well, sure - which makes it no surprise that people bought it with the intention of selling it to someone who was willing to pay more.

just becomes something is one of a kind doesn't mean it's worth anything.

[wraith hound]

obligatory (stolen from kat) https://twitter.com/androolloyd/status/1450413543279505410

androolloyd.eth | 🦇 🔊 (@androolloyd)

https://t.co/DwrgxoVB4y

Likes

155918

Retweets

20520

Twitter · Oct 19, 2021, 10:48 AM

[thin cloak]

Wow any pictures of your Dad's work

Hard to succeed as an artist

[wraith hound]

i absolutely don't disagree that the concept of cryptocurrencies and nfts have their places. i just don't think that they're in those places, right now.

[solid elbow]

I think blockchain has its uses. Possibly NFTs, too, but I'm less convinced. I'm yet to be convinced of any use for cryptocurrencies.

[frozen crane]

crime

[solid elbow]

it's not even really good for crime

[frozen crane]

well fuck.

[solid elbow]

a pseudonymous append-only ledger isn't great when the feds try for RICO

[thin cloak]

The crime is recorded in the blockchain lmao

[wraith hound]

honestly i've confused all these technologies to some extent, given that they're all lumped into my "red flag" box. so i forget what's useful for what.

i just remember encountering, like, 2 use cases for one of these technologies, at some point

[thin cloak]

International money transfer maybe for overseas foreign workers

[solid elbow]

what makes fiat a poor choice for that?

[thin cloak]

Fees

But the volatility of the coins is a hindrance

[solid elbow]

normally people just designate a trusted arbiter when mutually distrustful parties need to agree on something. So it's rare for there to be a case where parties don't trust each other, and can't agree to trust anyone that the other party trusts.

[thin cloak]

That is normally a bank or wire transfer agency

[solid elbow]

yep.

[thin cloak]

Fees https://www.bankrate.com/banking/wire-transfer-fees/

Also the cost of exchanging between currencies

We need a global frictionless currency maybe in the future

Blockchain or not

Also if you live in a place with unsound currency governments may restrict you from buying USD or Euro so as to prop up their own currency at your expense

[solid elbow]

sure - though they would restrict you from buying crypto as well, so 🤷‍♂️

[thin cloak]

Yep

So crypto is an option there

Harder to track if you VPN or tunnel

We need institutions we can trust so if trust absent in some places the concept of having no arbiter is valid

In the developed world with strong institutions there is less of a use case

Unless that trust is eroded further by mismanagement

Crypto then is a symptom of distrust for institutions

Fix the institutions

[stable fulcrum]

told chatgpt to draw iron man in turtle

[jovial oriole]

Guys help

My ears

Have been unpopped for 3 days now

What do I do

[mystic isle]

pinch your nose so the nostrils are blocked then blow out with your nose

[mystic isle]

while holding your nose that is

it should pop your ears

[jovial oriole]

Well

Right one popper

I meab

Left one popper

Popped*

Right one half popped

[tardy rain]

.wiki Valsalva maneuver

[median dome]

Wikipedia Search Results

Valsalva maneuver
The Valsalva maneuver is performed by a forceful attempt of exhalation against a closed airway, usually done by closing one's mouth and pinching one's

Vagal maneuver
indications for the use of vagal maneuvers in clinical practice. Diagnostic: Vagal maneuvers (most commonly the Valsalva maneuver) can be used to distinguish

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[rough sapphire]

I love the engineers now and days

[ionic bane]

William osman and Michael reeves make pretty funny videos ngl

[lunar shore]

I just watched Fireship's video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zs9Tifup1Bc) regarding programmers losing their jobs in the future... Could it really happen and does it mean it's not a good major for people who just got to the age when they should choose their major? Or is it most likely gonna be safe? Cause with GPT-3's GPTChat and Github copilot, I personally could see that in hindsight (and maybe in less than 20 years????), programming could be nonsense with robots and sort of "macro"s around... Is this valid or do you think it's not gonna happen?

[graceful basin]

programming will get faster and more efficient for sure, which may have a negative effect on the number of jobs. But entirely removing programming as a job seems unlikely to me, there still needs to be someone to tell the AI what needs making

and considering how weird and ill-defined the limitations of software are, I doubt that can be anyone but a programmer

[lunar shore]

But entirely removing programming as a job seems unlikely to me, there still needs to be someone to tell the AI what needs making
That is not even close to programming as we know it now right? That WOULD mean anything you'll learn in programming today would be wasted if this ever were to happen
But well I guess no-one can tell with certainty that where this is going; But if programmers would just be the people who tell the AI what to do, considering AI could understand English even now, and it's only gonna get better, it's not gonna be far from now that programming would be so generalized that it may not even be a "job" anymore, or am I in the wrong here?
(P.S anyhow, things might be completely different from what we think, also I've got to go sleep, so I'll read everyone's response tomorrow I guess)

[thin cloak]

Let the robots rise... then tax the robots...implement universal basic income.. programming becomes hobby

If the code isn't creative let automation take care of it

The idea then is the valuable thing

The implementation could be done by AI or person..some creative individual has to come up with ideas

So in that context a generalist education might be better... liberal arts ... and emphasis on human creativity

We will not be obsolete just be creative

[gritty zinc]

that sounds an awful lot like "you're not obsolete, only your last 5+ years of education, and perhaps all 15+ years of it"

[dapper dew]

Sounds like an opportunity to me

Here is some artisanal, hand typed quality code. Not some cold calculated output mass produced as quickly as possible for the lowest cost

I'll charge a premium too

[young shoal]

imagine in 100 years instead of artisanal chess sets or something it's artisanal code

[dapper dew]

I mean, isn't that the trend of automation?

[thin cloak]

Our code smell like cheese lmao

Both artisanal...cheese code smell

[thin cloak]

Maybe education needs to change https://youtu.be/MQ8M2GCz3T8

[jovial oriole]

Wouldn't it be pretty funny if Joe went rogue and banned every member

Right, Joe?

Right?

Please consider, April 1st is in a few months

[gritty zinc]

but consider: #rust-general

[jovial oriole]

How do you search for new servers on mobile

[rough sapphire]

"Oh, hush, my dear, it's been a difficult year"

[lunar shore]

that's why I brought up this topic... Is it even worth studying programming-related majors in university when one already knows programming to some degree? Since well, if any of this happens it'll all go to waste

[thin cloak]

Good question maybe yes at least to get some friends with similar interests and get a network

Also problem solving as a skill doesn't go out of style

[lunar shore]

Can't AI problem solve to some extent atm? It's just gonna improve and get better I assume...

[thin cloak]

The AI is only as good as the data it is fed

[lunar shore]

also good point... yeah having a strong network and good people around you is very important

[thin cloak]

We have more implicit knowledge of the world

So we are better than those bots

And we make the bots

Choosing what data to feed em

[lunar shore]

Oh that's also right... So we will always get to know something more than the AIs?
I wonder if this is gonna be some sci-fi shit and they will be sacrificing humans and feeding all the brain data to an AI 💀

[thin cloak]

The task maybe to feed the bots the right data

Or we are screwed

So people like us are the safeguard

[lunar shore]

You see, there will always be some dude who does it wrong 💀
Either intentionally or unconsciously messes it up

[thin cloak]

Why we should be there

To fix the mess

There will be false positives and false negatives

[lunar shore]

I guess that is also true... Well what you are implying and I also think is right is that our job won't go away, it's just going to change drastically

[thin cloak]

Yes

And creativity never goes out of style

We can program art

Like games

Even retro ones

AI needs us

[lunar shore]

But uh there's just one concern I have, being that AIs in the future will be constantly learning, even with interactions with the world, they will be learning, just like a human being. Wouldn't that eliminate the knowledge gap between us and the AI?

[thin cloak]

But we got experience that AI don't

That is our edge

[lunar shore]

I mean AI learns exponentially faster than us

[thin cloak]

True

In narrow domains they will beat us

[lunar shore]

so if an AI has 1 year of "experience" with interacting with the world, it would be equivalent to multiple-folds of a human's "experience"

[thin cloak]

But if the domain is not well defined we could have an edge

[thin cloak]

Like in chess yep

But that involves models

It's hard to model the entire world

What is winning condition

Sometimes that function is hard to define

In chess it's easy

Also Nobody yet would trust AI to be a Doctor or President

We are needed still to safeguard

[lunar shore]

Well we are doing it, what is preventing an AI to do it? Humans learn from image, sound, touch, taste and smelling, what if the AI has a/multiple models dedicated to each one of them? Wouldn't that suffice? At some point it'll be able to categorize the data it's learning too I'm guessing, maybe even create models itself?

[thin cloak]

Eventually yeah non narrow General AI

[lunar shore]

Oh sure, but that is because of our lack of knowledge of what the AI knows and is gonna do. As we study further about AI we will get to know it better and eventually we would be able to trust it I guess

[thin cloak]

Still a hard problem ML tend to narrow domains

[lunar shore]

Yea and we will sadly get to that point someday

[thin cloak]

Then we will code for fun

Hopefully when we are rich

[lunar shore]

True, but that is the problem today, it will be solved at some point

[lunar shore]

Yea thing is I'm still in highschool and I'm really worried about this too lol

[thin cloak]

Us tech-savvy folks want us to be obsolete lmao

[lunar shore]

We're making ourselves go extinct 💀

[thin cloak]

Vote for someone that supports universal basic income

We don't need arms and wars

If the AI gets them we are screwed

[lunar shore]

That would be great for the majority of people but I don't think it's gonna happen anytime soon...

[thin cloak]

Yeah tru

[lunar shore]

Man, now I don't know if I'm gonna choose a Computer-related major for university or not lol

[thin cloak]

Either way attend uni

[lunar shore]

yea obviously uni is necessary lol

[thin cloak]

I'm a Science (Chemistry) major that got succ into IT by my uni IT dept

[lunar shore]

Daaaamn that's interesting

and cool

[carmine bane]

Math major OP

[tranquil iron]

military spending cannot pay for UBI. not even close

[tardy rain]

Yes

[near ledge]

Hi, I have a question about how I should structure my project.

I have a programm, that is saving data to Google Cloud Firestore.

Now I would like to build a React App, that uses the data in the Firestore.

now my questin:
How do I get the data from Firestore?
I thought about making an api that I could call, but I thnink this would just make it slower...

[prime lagoon]

@quaint juniper Krita isn't lightweight at all

[quaint juniper]

So my PC is trash. What's a good lightweight app I can use for drawing instead of photooshop(free).

I work with a laptop that has no Sdd just hdd and no graphics card

[quaint juniper]

Oh

Then which

[prime lagoon]

Paint.NET

[quaint juniper]

It is good for game dev?

[prime lagoon]

it's ok. i wouldn't use it for that, but for your requirement, it's the best there is

[quaint juniper]

It does the job

[quaint juniper]

I saw on other channel you said photopea

Well photopea lags on my laptop 💀

[prime lagoon]

yeah paint.net it is. if you do pixel art things, I'd go for Grafx2

[quaint juniper]

I will download both

[jovial oriole]

wrote a script that finds an equation for data given, and the gist behind it is that it compares the data to a bunch of equations that it has

and i needed to get as many as possible

so i created script to produce expressions

the expressions are limited to 4 operations, trig functions, factorial etc with only 2 variable that it can use (total of 2 per expression)

and there are a lot apparently

ah can't upload it

like 50k

[rough sapphire]

how an AI have human qualities

[rough sapphire]

50k what?

[thin cloak]

We are assuming computational equivalence...that the human mind can be simulated in a machine so in theory any thought in biological brains could be simulated in silicon chips

That is a philosophical assumption thou.... that there is no soul or non material thing

See https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-3-642-37225-4_14

[quaint juniper]

So , theoretically, according to this theory a silicon chip could be conscious?

I don't mean act conscious

I mean be really conscious

Alive

I believe the furthest we can go is make is behave identically like humans

Like if we put it in a human body we can never distinguish them

But it won't be really alive

There is a paradox called " Philisosophical zombies"

It's like you can't really be sure if other humans are alive or not

Maybe they are not conscious they just act conscious

I believe that if AI became so advanced , the maximum thing we can do is make it act conscious

[grave cove]

then we get into the matter of if humans are conscious
we're really just a bunch of meat put together that we say are conscious
if a bunch of cells and meat can be conscious then theoretically silicon and metal and bits can as well, even if they can't in our time

[thin cloak]

Yew

Yes

I think it can be

It will be our silicon children

We gotta guide them

[quaint juniper]

If supposedly we made an AI conscious

Would it be moral if we kill it / test on it

[grave cove]

most likely

[thin cloak]

That is a great question

[grave cove]

if we made it "truly conscious" then it's no less a human than you and I

[thin cloak]

Yep

So we should not then

[grave cove]

How do we define a "human"? A skinbag of meat and bones? Or an individual composed of memories and thoughts?

[quaint juniper]

One could argue that rats are conscious yet we do lab tests on them etc so no problem as they are a different species as long as what we are doing is beneficial not just randomness?

[thin cloak]

And treat them like children

[thin cloak]

True and some object to that

[grave cove]

That's controversial. Some people happen to feel animal testing is cruel, some believe it to be fine.
A "conscious" AI will be the same.
Personally, I feel animal testing to the cruel and inhumane - and will for a conscious AI

[thin cloak]

Maybe we can use cell culture instead of rats or in silicon rat analog

[quaint juniper]

Would incredibly slow down research

[thin cloak]

For nao

In the future maybe not

[quaint juniper]

What if there was a human and a conscious AI. And you were told to save one. Should you choose the human or are they equal

@thin cloak @grave cove

[thin cloak]

Then we eat cultured meat instead of killing animals

[thin cloak]

I say equal

Imagine Commander Data

[grave cove]

Most people would choose the human

Human bias

If the AI was truly conscious then it'd be like asking to save 2 human strangers

[quaint juniper]

Are there levels of consciousness tho 🤔

[thin cloak]

I would judge based on the character not on the substance of the entity

[quaint juniper]

Like comparing between a cat and a human

[thin cloak]

Yes

[quaint juniper]

Or is levels of consciousness basically the difference in IQ

[grave cove]

That's.. quite scientific and not something I know if I can answer

[quaint juniper]

Alr 👍

[thin cloak]

No I think

[grave cove]

No, for sure not.
I am just as conscious as Einstien, given the IQ gap

[thin cloak]

Yep

[grave cove]

IMO IQ is just a load of bull puckey

[thin cloak]

Yeah kinda overrated

[quaint juniper]

What if you were to choose between a war criminal and a cockroach , which will you choose ?

[quaint juniper]

I think it's legit but all the tests online are nonsense

[grave cove]

If you asked a society of cockroaches the same question - which do you think they'll pick?

It's a biased question and not truly representative

[thin cloak]

The cockroach did nothing bad is just is the war criminal is guilty of something

[quaint juniper]

The cockroach

[quaint juniper]

Yea but who deserves more to live

[thin cloak]

So morally the cockroach is superior

[quaint juniper]

True

[grave cove]

Sure. Now replace the roach with your pet dog -

The inherit revulsion people have to roaches again biases the results

[quaint juniper]

Hmm

[grave cove]

We also feel a kinship towards others of our kind, so a conscious AI pitted against a human, the human will always win

This is evolutionary and deeply embedded into us

[quaint juniper]

What if we ask an AI this question. Maybe there will still be bias as in the end , AI is trained by humans

[thin cloak]

Yes

[grave cove]

This "pack instinct" is perhaps one of the reasons we've evolved to be intelligent in the first place

[thin cloak]

Can be mitigated thou

[grave cove]

Sure, but then one could argue you are undoing evolution

Which, of course, is debatable

[thin cloak]

There are divergent thinkers thou that innovate

[quaint juniper]

Another question. Did anyone try to simulate a real brain on computers? I an pretty sure our best supercomputer could handle that.

I don't mean AI as AI are trained to do a certain task. I mean a real brain

[grave cove]

I have a whole series of books I like to read on just that :D

[thin cloak]

Up to rat level I think

[grave cove]

Theoretically it should be possible

[quaint juniper]

R there pdf?

[thin cloak]

Yes

[grave cove]

Of the series?

[quaint juniper]

Did they do it? If so , are they conscious?

[quaint juniper]

U said there r books about that?

[grave cove]

It's a fictional sci-fi book, not a research paper or anything real haha

[quaint juniper]

Ohh

[grave cove]

Though the series is about exactly what you describe

[thin cloak]

Too slow...hard to answer we have to define consciousness first

[grave cove]

The book does however explore some of these questions

When you replicate a human brain after death - is it still you?

[quaint juniper]

https://youtu.be/eYS7UIUM_SQ

[grave cove]

We can define consciousness to be the collection of memories, thoughts, experiences, and feelings of an individual

[thin cloak]

If it thinks it's you...
I think therefore I am

[quaint juniper]

What if we clone your brain and memories etc exactly and put them in another body.

Why are you you and not him?

[grave cove]

That's the thing.
Is your body part of you?

You in the abstract?

[thin cloak]

You instances lmao

Fun

[grave cove]

Well.
Cloning of the brain would be similar to a class

[quaint juniper]

Even if we clone your body parts , there is still that feeling you have for yourself that you don't have for him.

[grave cove]

A blueprint to build off machines to replicate it

[grave cove]

Exactly

There exists theories that say no two objects are identical

[thin cloak]

Yep

[quaint juniper]

I believe that

If they are identical they aren't two anymore

[grave cove]

To be identical would be to violate the laws of science

[thin cloak]

But in quantum realm all electrons are alike

[quaint juniper]

Tbh I follow Einstein in QM

[grave cove]

Alike is not identical

But things start getting funky in the quantum realm

[thin cloak]

https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/news/a27731/what-if-every-electron-was-the-same-electron/

[grave cove]

Quantum superposition, for one

[quaint juniper]

A distinction means there is something you posses which I don't . If you and I are exactly identical , how could there be something you posses that i don't?

[thin cloak]

There could be just one election moving really fast

[grave cove]

Not sure if I believe the "moving back and forth through time part"

[quaint juniper]

Sure but then there isn't many electrons it's just one electron

[grave cove]

It's determined that time steadily marches on in one direction - if at different rates

(Thanks Einstein)

[thin cloak]

But it appears as many

Yeah it's quantum weirdness

[quaint juniper]

Yea it isn't really many just appears as many

[thin cloak]

But we aren't sure

[grave cove]

Might have something to do with the observer effect

[thin cloak]

It could be many electrons that appear to be all the same

[quaint juniper]

Tbh I believe observer stuff is nonsense cuz idealism is 🤢 🤮

[thin cloak]

I like Bohr

[grave cove]

If we go back to the brain cloning - is that immortality?

[thin cloak]

No universe will end....or heat death at least

[quaint juniper]

Depends why u do it probs

If I kill 1/3 of earths population in order to save 2/3 it is moral then (atleast that's what I think(

[thin cloak]

Practically immortal maybe but not immortal as in forever

[quaint juniper]

So if we clone a human brain to test on it to save millions of others why would it be immoral

But if we clone it just for fun maybe that's immoral

[thin cloak]

Thanos logic

Nah that bad says Marvel

[quaint juniper]

@grave cove what do u think

[rough sapphire]

Well

Overpopulation be kinda insane

[thin cloak]

It will fix itself see China and Japan

People too busy making money rather than making baby

If we kill ourselves that way maybe AI children ok

Sad geeks that don't get to reproduce naturally get to make a legacy

[grave cove]

Depends on the "implementation", really lmao

[thin cloak]

Maybe if there is a limited amount of vaccine enough for 2/3

You gotta triage

If it's a selective genocide then that is evil

If it's a gauntlet snap that does random vanish is evil according to Marvel lmao

But that fairer than selective genocide

But still evil

[gritty zinc]

maybe we shouldn't use marvel movies as the gold standard of morality

[thin cloak]

Maybe it's all fiction like religion if the story thou makes sense then it is still a useful fiction

There maybe no gold standard

But we can still be moral

[grave cove]

so what do we base morality off of

[thin cloak]

Logic

Don't harm sentient entities if possible. .. minimize suffering

Since we are sentient entities ourselves

Or we can base it on compassion or sympathy since we can feel what others feel

Or ideally both

So Kant https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groundwork_of_the_Metaphysics_of_Morals

Or

[gritty zinc]

you can't derive morality from first principles

[grave cove]

this is but one definition of morality

we can really define it to be anything without anything to base it off of

[thin cloak]

Logic and compassion is the best we have

[thin cloak]

Yep

Maybe be pragmatic

Dogmatism could lead to contradictions

Like when religions sanction wars

Where is the compassion and logic?

Aren't these just stories we pass generation to generation and sometimes mislead us

Maybe modern stories can guide us better

But don't make a religion out of them

Unless we don't take it to seriously see https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jediism

A Jedi church wedding with cosplay and lightsabers... awesome

[honest star]

This penalty shootout is so intense

[tranquil iron]

I hear this channel is for world cup chatter

[honest star]

yes!

[tranquil iron]

who won?

[honest star]

Who is everyone rooting for?

Not decided yet

We're on penalty shoot outs. Next shot could end it

[tranquil iron]

people seem to be cheering

you tube has a live stream of a crowd watching the world cup. it's so exciting.

[honest star]

<_< I may be on a delayed televised thing then

[tranquil iron]

other people seem sad

I think someone lost

[honest star]

IT'S OVER

[tranquil iron]

I think the sud americanos have won

[honest star]

SPOILERS IN CASE YOU'RE DELAYED ||ARGENTINA BABYYYYY||

[tranquil iron]

there are grown men crying in the argentine crowd

[tardy rain]

Dont cry for me argentina and such other chants

[honest star]

Messi finally got the cup, goddamn

What a good match though

[lime maple]

Less go arg

I THOUGHT IT WAS OVER AFTER 3-3

L MBAPPE

[tranquil iron]

will this mark the turning point for argentine society?

[honest star]

Mbappe played so well though!!

[lime maple]

YES

[lime maple]

YES

[tardy rain]

How does this affect Ronaldo's legacy

[tranquil iron]

it takes more than one good player

[lucid heart]

FUCKING GOATTTTTTTTTTTTTTT

[jaunty wraith]

Lloris played so well for the entire match too
gd penalties

[lime maple]

I AM IN TEARS OF JOY

[hidden pebble]

so many uno reverses

how many uno reverses are humanly possible

[jaunty wraith]

trés

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(survivor bias, I know, but it's funny)

[odd jasper]

y'all should hear the amount of noice people are making here in argentina lol

[jovial oriole]

all of these are completely matchematically valid expressions for linear graphs with a slope of 1/1 in the first quadrant https://paste.pythondiscord.com/awabodamow

i have more if required

iirc i have like 183496 expressions for different graphs somewhere

[rough sapphire]

an AI machine can simulate a corrupted politician?

[languid tide]

probably lol

[rough sapphire]

why AI would need money?

[thick ore]

to buy stuff ofc

[rough sapphire]

makes sense

but who is gonna delivery the bribe money

[thick ore]

what bribe money

wait

oh bribe money

[rough sapphire]

in cash

[thick ore]

yes

the ai is going to enslave humans to deliver bribe money

[rough sapphire]

that's what we all fear, right

[thick ore]

right

well I wouldn't mind

after all I can choose whether or not to do what it wants

just shut down your computer 😂

[rough sapphire]

but if it still have eletrical activity after shutdown

like cellphones

[thick ore]

well that's dumb

worst case scenario you'll have to throw it in water

[rough sapphire]

or pretend to do that because the AI gives me bribe money

[thick ore]

😂

[rough sapphire]

``` can someone check this in HTML code, it should be red heart, but in my laptop its black and I cannot understand why

you could try it here https://codepen.io/

if I added color in css it change, maybe the default is black?

[rough sapphire]

who checks if someone have more accountable money and trusts

I already check that

they told me that no ones audit and most important nobody cares

you just have to have and ideia

idea

and I don't know make a movie about something and

or I don't know

take oil in ocean with ridiculous giant machines

and we mortal people can't replicate that

like it not watch a 3d animation about how nuclear bombs works

and then reverse engineering that

and even if you do that you probably won't get a normal life and will go insane

and people will not believe that you have a very cool explanation

and stupidity me have to give opinion that nobody asks

and make it a proof myself too

it's makes a sense when you're writing your name on documents

just don't be silly as me because they give you a temporary sense of power

[uneven pine]

I think there was almost a coherent thought or two in there

But it was lost in a sea of random words

[rough sapphire]

you absolutely got it

[rough sapphire]

I had vivid imagination

[rough sapphire]

finally depression

is giving a break

[thin cloak]

Nice

[final jasper]

hmm

[rough sapphire]

Maybe the emoji is red, but the default HTML character is black

Lemme check

[rough sapphire]

thank you

I guess the red heart was looking white in vscode

10084 is HEAVY BLACK HEART, and IIRC, "black" Unicode characters are filled

As opposed to "white" Unicode characters that are only an outline

[rough sapphire]

I think it was like that since the default text color in VSCode is white, so the heart's color is also white

[rough sapphire]

but it look like a red emoji

sorry if my words is confusing, my English is lacking

It's okay

this image is better

Technically, emojis are Unicode characters

do you use MAC or Windows? would it look red in IOS vscode?

I used it in windows 10 vscode

I use Windows 10, and it shows up on my computer like that as well

I think that's due to different fonts

The Windows emoji selector has a different font than, say, VSCode or your browser or your browser's search bar even

And each font has a style in which they show emojis

Thank you

No problem

[rough sapphire]

When was the last time a helped you in debugging?

[wraith hound]

yesterday

i have 9 on my desk that can get through anything

[jaunty wraith]

why do you have 9 ducks

[rough sapphire]

sorry for sharing that here

but I have to drink

with my last money

my life will not last long for personnal reasons

[grave cove]

Are you ok

[rough sapphire]

are you asking?

[tardy rain]

That was a question yes

[rough sapphire]

no

[young shoal]

more the merrier

[tardy rain]

Duck clan

[jovial oriole]

Good night

[thick ore]

illegal

[thin cloak]

Lmao like getting advice that is quack... I don't trust it

Also don't trust that in financial or medical realms

Any good benefits maybe down to luck or placebo effect

[keen sparrow]

anyone knows what this is?

[thick ore]

a monitor?

[keen sparrow]

obviously, but

what is that terminal ui?

[true quarry]

hi can someone help me with my c lang hw?

[thin cloak]

Probably an IBM

[keen sparrow]

ooh ibm

[thin cloak]

Look at upper left says AS400

So OS 400 probably

[keen sparrow]

i might be

too young to understand what it is

[thin cloak]

Just a computer somewhere else that you connect to

In the old days you got dumb terminals with green screens or amber screens

[keen sparrow]

i see

[proven ermine]

looks like the same kind of interface they use at the DMV

[thin cloak]

Could be AS 400 Cobol

So the DMV could be running Cobol

[proven ermine]

most likely

years from now people are still going to know Cobol because the DMVs central systems are still running it

[rough sapphire]

Kernels are too bloated 😦

[dry raft]

@short marsh this is a christmas pudding (xmas pud)

[short marsh]

That looks gross

Must be british

[crisp ledge]

Why is it on fire

[dry raft]

It's the best bit of xmas.

[crisp ledge]

Is it covered in alcohol

[dry raft]

Yep

[crisp ledge]

😮

[short marsh]

They tried to destroy it, but it turns out not even fire can burn it

[dry raft]

Well, not "covered"…

Unless you fail to light it several times in a row…which I never did :D

[mossy hearth]

test

[jovial oriole]

Guys I found among us

[craggy crypt]

very sus book

[sterile storm]

same pass me

[grave cove]

There are about 5 things wrong in that one sentence the among us reference being the least of them

[stable fulcrum]

thats why the sentence says "Don;t get me wrong" as his first words

[tardy rain]

Among us references need to die

[acoustic moss]

fr

[jovial oriole]

Amoogus

🤨

[small coral]

i mean-

[thin cloak]

Find and delete then

[thick ore]

sussy??????

[thin cloak]

Lmao it's futile

[thin cloak]

It's like the Borg...aliens are here resistance is futile

[acoustic moss]

aliens!??!! like in the game AMONG US!?!?!?

[grave cove]

you mean the hit game among us?

[thin cloak]

Lmao see the references are multiplying like an alien invasion

[grave cove]

is this a jojo reference

[small coral]

"is this a &jojo"

[grave cove]

is this a mutable jojo reference

[thin cloak]

Yes

[round rose]

in c++ yes, in rust no

[harsh tundra]

@cloud urchin question about your name:
Shouldn't your name have tsk and not stk? Because based on your pfp it seems like you were aiming for Soviet aesthetic and adjectives made from nouns end with -ский == -sky/-skiy (depending on transliteration method), so Soviet -> sovietsky (the ie/e sometimes depends on what transliteration method you use as well)

I'm just being a language nerd, but being Polish my mind just gets stuck on that stk because it looks/sounds weird

[cloud urchin]

God I wish I had learnt a slavic language instead of picking up German, thanks for the out of nowhere but welcome input

and yes I was aiming for a Soviet aesthetic, made the whole thing in Photoshop wish I still had the file saved somewhere

[harsh tundra]

😄

[cloud urchin]

Now it's the correct way

[thin cloak]

Great comrade

[tulip cedar]

nice

[signal scroll]

does anyone know which programming language this is?

[tardy rain]

Lua?

Yea that looks like lua

[signal scroll]

its C

@tardy rain

[tardy rain]

smh banable imho

[signal scroll]

what

[tardy rain]

This bait

[signal scroll]

ok

[small coral]

doesn't look like true lua ```lua
local x,y=5,2 print(x*y)

[stable fulcrum]

lua have ;?

[stable fulcrum]

next task is to create python syntax in cpp

[signal scroll]

why cpp? i used C

but i'll try

in c

this is what i got but i dont find anything else to do

this is what i have now, removed one semicolon and removed the }

[small coral]

#ifndef __cplusplus
#include <stdio.h>
#define and ?
#define or :
#define def int
#define main() main() { a
#define None 0; }
#define print(x) puts(x);
#/*
"""#"*/
int
#/*
"""#"*/
C = 0;

def main():
    print(++C and "C" or "python")
    return None

#if 0
main ()
#endif
#else
#include <iostream>
#/*
"""#"*/
int main() {
    puts("C++");
}
#/*
"""#"*/
#endif

works in C++, C, and Python

[signal scroll]

oh nice

didnt work for me the python @small coral

[small coral]

‫what if you change the file extension

psure C compilers accept any sort of extension

[signal scroll]

same

oh

[small coral]

so maybe it'll also work with python

[signal scroll]

found the issue

vscode auto formatted on paste

indentation broke

so main didnt get called

works now

[small coral]

ok

[signal scroll]

the main() was with a tab

[stable fulcrum]

Now call the main function too?

[signal scroll]

What

[stable fulcrum]

You also forgot : and why ;

[signal scroll]

Because its C

[tulip cedar]

Wait how does this work in Python......?
Does the Python interpreter also compile the C code or smth?

[graceful basin]

all of the C preprocessor stuff is a comment, and a lot of the C/C++ code is in string literal

[tulip cedar]

Well why does not the ++C raise an error? Isn't it wrong syntax?

[acoustic moss]

!e print(1, +1, ++1)

[royal lake]

@acoustic moss :white_check_mark: Your 3.11 eval job has completed with return code 0.

1 1 1

[topaz aurora]

+x corresponds to x.__pos__()

[tulip cedar]

Ah thanks

[ionic bane]

!e

print(--1, +-1)

[royal lake]

@ionic bane :white_check_mark: Your 3.11 eval job has completed with return code 0.

1 -1

[ionic bane]

[frozen crane]

is int.__pos__ an identity function?

[topaz aurora]

Seems to be the case

[sterile grail]

are there any interesting uses of pos in libraries?

cause i don't rlky see the purpose of it since it just returns the number

[topaz aurora]

a quick search gives me usage in statistics

[graceful basin]

Numpy uses it for copy, allowing you to copy a numpy array without depending on numpy and remain polymorphic with integers etc al

[gritty zinc]

huh, TIL

[harsh tundra]

I tried to find actual definition of int methods, but while searching for unary, I found cpython comment calling stuff PITA (pain in the ass) XD

[acoustic moss]

its this i think
https://github.com/python/cpython/blob/main/Objects/longobject.c#L6250
https://github.com/python/cpython/blob/main/Objects/longobject.c#L5338-L5347

[royal lake]

Objects/longobject.c line 6250

long_long,                  /*tp_positive*/```
`Objects/longobject.c` lines 5338 to 5347
```c
static PyObject *
long_long(PyObject *v)
{
    if (PyLong_CheckExact(v)) {
        return Py_NewRef(v);
    }
    else {
        return _PyLong_Copy((PyLongObject *)v);
    }
}```

[harsh tundra]

Oh, nice. I looked over it but didn't decipher the thing correctly so I moved looking elsewhere XD

[young shoal]

do i spy a TIL post 👀

[gritty zinc]

not interesting enough

[frozen crane]

@dense tusk ask your laptop question here

Gaming laptops are more powerful than general purpose laptops. Though they also are heavier

[dense tusk]

i see, like i need a good reason to convince my dad for a gaming laptop, hes not willing to buy one coz he thinks their battery lives would last for only 2yrs or so, which is true ig, but i really want one

here is the question again, just so that others can maybe give suggestions:
Hey ppl, so I'm tryna buy a laptop for my college, but I'm confused which one to buy... My parents say that a working laptop is good, but my friends say a gaming laptop has high performance so go for it, and my budget is just $1100, can someone help me?

[frozen crane]

Gaming laptops tend to burn bright and fast. The performance would probably start to drop off after two years.

My gaming laptop started to go bad after two or three years. I still use it occasionally, but not for gaming. And the battery doesn't last very long.

[sharp jasper]

Any reasonably modern laptop should be fine for student use.

[frozen crane]

But if you're a gamer, getting a gaming laptop is probably the way to go as a student. You just have to prepare for the reality that it might not last all four years of uni

By my last semester, my laptop had become unusable, so I wiped it and installed linux

(which is a good way to breathe life into a dying laptop)

[tardy rain]

Getting a gaming laptop as a student might not be the best of things

[sharp jasper]

I used a lightweight laptop in college. I liked taking it to class and the battery lasted pretty good, didn't have to plug in during class

[frozen crane]

Why not

[tardy rain]

Introduces temptation
I really struggled to focus on my studies when i had a machine that could run games i played

[dense tusk]

That's true, but it all depends on the person's ability to control himself

[young shoal]

i would suggest a thinkpad

but if you want to game on it then probably not. what are you majoring in?

[young shoal]

ya. gaming laptops for 1000ish are kinda 🥴. my current laptop is like 1.4kg with an ok battery life. very nice to carry around

[dense tusk]

didnt decide that yet, i didnt graduate 12th grade lol

[young shoal]

what do you think you want to major in

[dense tusk]

most prolly computer science

or something related to that like cyber security

[young shoal]

other than compiling code faster, there isn't really a need for a laptop with good specs

[sharp jasper]

especially during your freshman year

[grave cove]

@sterile grail 😠

how many times do we have to tell you this old man

yellow snow is bad for you

[drifting sage]

!catify

not a thing anymore 😔

[slim spire]

Am looking for a one teammate or two by max so we can learn together and solve ex. From leetcode everyday by choose a specific hour. I just start to attend udacity course for algorithms and data. Anyone interested DM me

[sterile grail]

yellow snow is great wym!

[harsh tundra]

wrong bot

.help catify

[median dome]

Command Help

**```
.catify <text>

**Can also use:** `ᓚᘏᗢ`, `ᓚᘏᗢify`

*Convert the provided text into a cat themed sentence by interspercing cats throughout text.

If no text is given then the users nickname is edited.*

[candid lance]

That's a personal issue honestly if you can't control yourself

[tardy rain]

It is, doesnt mean you need to make it harder to resist yourself

[median dome]

Your catified nickname is: 'Abd al-Wadūd | ᓂᘏᗢ

Your catified nickname is: 'Abd al-Wadūd | ᓂᘏᗢ | ᓂᘏᗢ

[royal lake]

:ok_hand: applied mute to @hallow stone until <t:1672053283:f> (10 minutes) (reason: duplicates rule: sent 4 duplicated messages in 10s).

The <@&831776746206265384> have been alerted for review.

[thick ore]

.catify

[median dome]

Your catified nickname is: ⁉ | ᓚᘏᗢ

[tulip cedar]

nice

.catify

[median dome]

Your catified nickname is: Hunter | ᕂᘏᗢ

[tidal gazelle]

.catify

[median dome]

Your catified nickname is: Sine somno | ᕦᘏᗢ

[open fern]

@primal inlet It's really old (C99 wasn't even a thing at the time of publication) but it is "C Pointers and Dynamic Memory Management" by Michael C. Daconta

[primal inlet]

alr thx

[open fern]

@rough sapphire so C is a language which allows you to manage memory manually.

Let's start with the automatic variables.

int main() {
    int automatic_variable = 27;
    // other logic, print "hello, world" maybe?
    return 0;
}

They're closest to Python variables. The memory they use (to store their value) is allocated automatically when the function that contains them (here, that's main) starts running, and then freed/deallocated when that function returns. If you're confused by "allocated" , it's like lending a book from the system library (except the books are memory chunks and the library contains all of the memory chunks available).

Now, there are also dynamic variables. These are the variables where you are responsible for allocating (enough) memory for the variable to store whatever it needs to store.

int main() {
    int *dynamic_variable = malloc(sizeof(int));
    *dynamic_variable = 27;
    // other logic, print "hello, world" maybe?
    free(dynamic_variable);
    return 0;
}

This is pretty complicated, let's go through it line by line.

int *dynamic_variable = malloc(sizeof(int));
The malloc call is C's way of asking the system to give us (allocate) a chunk of memory from the system pool (called the heap). How big is the memory chunk? It's the result of sizeof(int) which essentially translates to "enough space to store an integer."

Anyway, the malloc call actually returns a pointer (that's the star before the variable name, it means the variable's type is a pointer). What's a pointer? Basically a value that represents the memory address (ie. location) of some other value. In this case, it points to the memory chunk the system allocated for us. It's like the library giving you a card that contains the information needed to find the books you just checked out (eg. FLOOR 1, SHELF B, BOOK 27).

This pointer points to an integer, or rather a memory chunk containing the ones and zeros that represent an integer.

*dynamic_variable = 27;
Here's the actual assignment to the variable. However, we can't just assign to the pointer directly as that would change the memory address it points to. (That would be like switching the card the library gave you with another card that points to a different book.). We first have to deference the pointer (that's the star before the name here) which essentially means "go to the memory address this pointer points to" before assigning the integer.

free(dynamic_variable);
Last part. Remember how we asked the system to allocate a memory chunk for us? ... well it won't deallocate that memory for us (it would be like if someone from the library just came to your house and took back their book without asking or warning). Instead, once we don't need that memory anymore, you free it (ie. give it back to the system).

... and that's a heavily simplified introduction to automatic and manual memory management in C!

it is complicated, but it offers you a lot of flexibility to control how memory is allocated and deallocated.... which is important if you care about performance (which you probably do if you're using C)

[opal island]

Go Or Rust
For a python and js industry lvl exp guy

[rancid hamlet]

Biased opinion: rust

[wraith hound]

i'd go with rust just because it's wildly different from both the others

writing code with a type system that powerful is a significantly different experience

and is extremely valuable, whether you work with the language in the future or not

[tardy rain]

Go might be more useful career wise

If youre gonna learn something wildly different why not pick haskell or apl or something actually wildly different

[wraith hound]

they gave two options ¯_(ツ)_/¯

also i just hate some of go's decisions language wise, so i'm definitely biased

particularly as a compiler nerd.

[wraith hound]

also neither of these languages capture the full scope of what i mean either (afaik)

particularly on how in rust, the type system doesn't just exist, but correctness is encoded in it

you're forced to think about everything that can go wrong. in go, a lot of that doesn't exist.

which is something i think is valuable, at least to try once

but fair warning, beyond just jobs, rust is a lot harder to pick up

[prime lagoon]

rust syntax is scary for me to consider, and there's no reason for me to learn rust as there are no open-source program i use that is coded in rust

[wraith hound]

then don't learn it ¯_(ツ)_/¯

i think it's a valuable experience, but i'm not shoving it down your throat

ftr the syntax isn't that bad, if you can get used to a lot of important information being encoded in few characters

which does take some time

[silver turtle]

hiiii everyone im new here and im trying to follow the 'learn python visually' book tutorials but i cant even get past the setting up so i was wondering if anyone could help

[drifting sage]

Damn hadn't checked in here for a while and apparently there are no help channels named after stuff :'(

Really liked them

Now there are forums :\

[jaunty wraith]

snek support moved to forums

[dusty cape]

Hey!

I am an entrepreneur looking for new opportunities to collaborate and create. I have a background in tech, but have gained expertise on the business side of things over the years. My business partner and I are currently looking for a tech co-founder to join our team to lead the tech side of things.

If you have a background in tech and are interested in collaborating with us on a new project, we would love to hear from you.

Please don't hesitate to reach out if you are interested in connecting and potentially working on something together. If this isn't the right place to post this feel free to delete this and let me know where to post.

[paper sequoia]

!rule 9

[royal lake]

Rules

9. Do not offer or ask for paid work of any kind.

[fossil urchin]

https://youtube.com/watch?v=hxGOiiR9ZKg

[jovial oriole]

Found Dwayne Johnson among us

[acoustic moss]

your mother