voice-chat-text-0

[vocal basin]

@subtle musk step 1: stop using AI

if you want to get out of it quicker

don't even try to let it "help" you, it won't

[odd fog]

cisco networking academy good and alot of its free

[vocal basin]

use starlette or litestar if performance is of concern

(responding to VC) AI will just lie to you

confidently

[odd fog]

less performance as ik something like rust alot faster more wondering if it would be secure enough using fastapi and if the securitys good enough for an auth

[vocal basin]

FastAPI's bundled OAuth2 support is good enough

@subtle musk you'll have to stop relying on structured courses at some point

[odd fog]

thankyou

[vocal basin]

if you want an ordered list of what to learn in case of Python, then see Python tutorial

open the Python tutorial, go through it in order;
once you understand all that's there, start doing projects;
starting at that point, the primary source of knowledge will be the documentation

[vocal basin]

the only big things that the official tutorial lacks is automated testing

the main critical requirement for any course to be considered more useful than it is automated testing and linting

one very bad "source" for learning, for example, is w3schools

[subtle musk]

true

[vocal basin]

, because of the total disregard for code quality

get a linter

get an autoformatter

[subtle musk]

whats that

[vocal basin]

PyCharm comes with those bundled

linter checks your code

autoformatter formats your code

ruff does both of those

so either ruff+VSCode/other IDE or PyCharm

[subtle musk]

so basically an IDE

[vocal basin]

VSCode's Python extension pack doesn't come with a linter or an autoformatter

it only has a language server

[primal shadow]

Generally it's K-5 is Elementary, 6-8/9 is Middle, and 9/10-12 is High School

[subtle musk]

oh

[primal shadow]

9th can be middle or high school

depending on the school district and if they start the high school with 9th or 10th

[vocal basin]

linting and formatting isn't one of those cases where you learn to spot it yourself first, and then rely on tools

instead, you get tools, they beat you over the head over and over, until you yourself can't look at bad code without getting annoyed

[primal shadow]

Interesting how it's a jump from junior to senior, no mid level education ranks

[vocal basin]

seemingly resets at some point?

what's that system called with bachelor's, master's?

Bologna Process

ah, it's specifically the European-ish one

theory is great

[subtle musk]

whats that

[vocal basin]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bologna_Process

[vocal basin]

very European country: Kazakhstan

[coarse apex]

lmao

[vocal basin]

@heavy zenith Bachelor's and Master's kind of coexist, but in this thing Bachelor's often comes before Master's

[heavy zenith]

yeah but in austria we start at master

[vocal basin]

ugh

between Germany and Hungary

[subtle musk]

lmao

[vocal basin]

(when remembering geography judging only by country mergers)

Russia has very little in terms of regional laws as far as I know, so the size of the country doesn't necessary influence it

meanwhile Switzerland is quite split legislatively, from what I understand

it's a confederation, 26 parts

@heavy zenith also Albania, probably

that one has bunkers too

[vocal basin]

~0.75 million bunkers for ~2.7 million people

so it all depends on whether they can fit 4 people in each bunker

@subtle musk aggressive prosecution of drug use makes things worse very directly

including how it makes the criminal part of the business more profitable

[vocal basin]

when you jail users, you prosecute victims and put money in criminals' hands

[subtle musk]

oh

[vocal basin]

get a specific project to build

[subtle musk]

but i wont know how to make it

[vocal basin]

irrelevant, if you want to build projects, you need to pick what to build

[subtle musk]

wdym

[vocal basin]

you want to make stuff => decide what stuff to make

[subtle musk]

yeah then how will i make it if dont know what to type

[vocal basin]

if you can't decide what project to build, then definitely you can't even start doing that

[subtle musk]

like i wont even know basics on how to build xyz

[vocal basin]

the coding doesn't matter at all, for this question

get a goal of what to create, then work towards that rather than guessing what you'll need

[subtle musk]

got it

[vocal basin]

I would request Git history

I usually judge by the style of comments if they are present

no, AI could do that

especially if it gets into context of doing that and the session is reused

are the comments grammatically proper sentences?

I've done more in a single file, 1300 lines and 6 classes isn't critically lot

@heavy zenith by the description of the problem, this sounds more like something someone would choose to do with AI

tedious to write by hand

eh

regex isn't necessarily explainable

I don't think in natural language/logical constructs when I construct regexes, I think in regex

I wonder how bad AI scores on the "mixed levels of abstraction" thing

(of the most fundamental code quality rules: don't mix levels of abstraction)

[heavy zenith]

https://github.com/xreaptory/AI-Integrated-Crawler

[vocal basin]

@calm heron it might be indexing

what Python-related extensions are you using?

[calm heron]

I don't think I'm using any extensions other than the python one

[vocal basin]

don't open separate files

open whole directories

as in "edit with VSCode" thing sometimes disables certain things

[calm heron]

I open my project with Github Desktop

and it does this to me sometimes

[vocal basin]

then should be fine

which OS?

[calm heron]

Win10

[vocal basin]

I usually fix stuff like that with just reloading the window

also it happens to me on Linux more often than on Windows

also Git sometimes goes colourless

[calm heron]

Ya, that's what I usually do, is just reload it

[vocal basin]

are you using WSL?

[calm heron]

the thing is it happens to me on different computers too

it's installed but not working

i tried to st it up but for some reason it's bugged

[vocal basin]

also

important thing

you might have your search exclusions fucked up

so it indexes your venv

and gets stuck

I've ran into that before

[calm heron]

i use uv, it should exclude the venv automatically right? hold on, I'm reloading vs code

[vocal basin]

I don't mean Git

I mean on VSCode's side

[vocal basin]

python.analysis.exclude should include **/venv and **/.venv

[vocal basin]

what I have

"python.analysis.exclude": ["**/node_modules", "**/__pycache__", "**/build/lib", "**/.venv"],

also

"search.exclude": {
    "**/venv": true
}

[vocal basin]

no, not gitignore

[vocal basin]

this prevents searching the venv

[vocal basin]

this prevents analysing the venv

the latter is mostly to make rename actions not take forever

idk if they fixed it, but it used to be the case that, on each rename, it would re-scan the whole venv

ctrl+shift+p, then this

[calm heron]

curl wttr.in

[vocal basin]

or just bash it

[vocal basin]

hmm

windy

[subtle musk]

thzt loooks insane

[calm heron]

@vocal basin like this?

[vocal basin]

autoformat

(somehow)

((just so it doesn't look weird))

there might be a difference from person to person on what light is more or less problematic

I know there definitely is a difference on whether it's safer to sit in a lit room or not

[vocal basin]

for me indoor lighting is very bad

that red is too close to purple

as in not close to orange

(though shouldn't matter, because it's not actual purple wavelengths)

just too much blue to be the "night light" colour

yes I do spot the difference of just 3

[vocal basin]

#voice-chat-text-0 message

[vocal basin]

I have this theme

though I am a bit displeased with it

but still I prefer it over the rest

[vocal basin]

I picked this in part because it's less colourful than others

like there are just two main colours: blue and yellow

[vocal basin]

keywords and some operators are very like background, yes

it helps a lot with reading when I'm tired, which I found out at some point

like

all the parts worth reading are bright yellow or very light blue

I would probably prefer if arguments and local variables weren't styled different

[subtle musk]

what theme is that

[vocal basin]

Abyss

[subtle musk]

oh

[vocal basin]

should come with VSCode itself

@calm heron wasn't it 3?

I have to re-issue each 3 months

you know how Monokai has its iconic red for keywords and stuff?
there is Monokai Dimmed where that is replaced with grey which blends with the background just like with the theme I use

[vocal basin]

Monokai proper

and dimmed

[vocal basin]

this is what Sublime Text uses

[vocal basin]

Visual Studio flashbacks

@primal shadow that is pain on the screenshot

yes

somehow I didn't notice how bad it is in the IDE itself

orange

I've seen this "in the wild"

blue blue blue

pastel-ish

[vocal basin]

this I can use

[vocal basin]

this I'll go insane but can get used to

for some reason TLA+ has very little yellow on this theme

[heavy zenith]

.

[vocal basin]

ugh I uninstalled Rust Rover already

I got way too annoyed with it, can't see what it looks there

[subtle musk]

sign out

[vocal basin]

explosion

[subtle musk]

how can someone use light theme 😭

not tryna be rude

[vocal basin]

incident

[vocal basin]

the se is slightly different

GitHub; red keywords like with Monokai

seems to purplify calls

[vocal basin]

255 255 255 and 252 252 252

[vocal basin]

meanwhile the spellcheck during all this: quietly screaming in the corner about lenght

make comments RED

make comments BURN YOUR EYES

there is an argument for the opposite:
comments are excuses and warnings, they shouldn't be in code, so they should stand out because they're an exception to the common guideline of avoiding them

(for languages where this makes sense)

citing sources in code via comments is good

but the rest of comments are kind of mostly useless

enforcing documenting everything via lint rules is quite problematic too

[vocal basin]

imo better to have metrics than checks there

(i.e. show % documented and alert on sub 100% instead of blocking on sub 100%)

better to have it left undocumented than have an empty-ish doc comment that is barely enough to appease the linter

@heavy zenith put the links to websites you looked up when you were solving something

this is very useful

when you need to edit that code, you can reference the original source

yes

see their license

can't copy then

it's all rights reserved by default

[vocal basin]

(including sources which ended up being less useful)

for referencing code:
use permalinks

https://github.com/parrrate/ruchei/blob/404c37e8a02a58d275cb2cf4c3e60534ab2602ca/ruchei-wakelist/src/lib.rs
instead of
https://github.com/parrrate/ruchei/blob/main/ruchei-wakelist/src/lib.rs

linking to a specific commit

file might get moved

within the repo

GitHub/GitLab/Forgejo

and Git in general

with some languages, can also link to the package registry instead of git

in that case, locking the version is recommended too

[vocal basin]

I don't do much of this because most of my code eventually reduces down to things where documentation is trivial to look up
(so, in certain circumstances, it might be a better decision to forget the search trace, because it complicates debugging)

I joined in 2019, but left some number of times

I don't remember the exact date, but it's somewhere in the mod logs

[primal shadow]

#ot2-never-nester’s-nightmare message

[vocal basin]

oldest messages for me would be October 2022, but I deleted quite a lot of them

latest still alive messages are from this date

Hemlock was staff on some other server

which got merged into here

I started using Python only in 2017

(and Pascal somewhere between 2006 and 2009)

Latin of programming

Rust was the language I learned the most quickly

we had proper automated testing and linting for assignments in school and university

(and in general those two had somewhat similar system setup)

like in both places we had personal accounts which were accessible from any computer

I used to own a typewriter

[frozen owl]

my first lang was js

which explains why im so chaotic

js -> py -> rust

[heavy zenith]

wow

I'm sorry you have such a traumatic past

[frozen owl]

fun fact: i tried learning c and c++ but cba

so i dont know either

[vocal basin]

around 1 year from properly starting to getting paid for writing it

[heavy zenith]

cba ?

[frozen owl]

can't be arsed

[vocal basin]

more family-friendly version of cbf

[heavy zenith]

9years in can't land an internship ig.

[frozen owl]

i didnt even really had time to learn rust

i tried to write mcts without knowing anything in rust

[vocal basin]

I switched to Rust from Haskell

[frozen owl]

now i need to make a full-stack project for my coursework

full circle back to js yey 🫠

fuck web dev fr

i dont like it

imho a bit boring for me

[vocal basin]

doing everything: from C to CSS

[frozen owl]

R to Rust

... or ruby on rails

[vocal basin]

I like CSS, it just works most of the time for me

[frozen owl]

react?

ok tbf bootstrap is enough for most my stuff

[vocal basin]

I dislike how Bootstrap looks by default

so skipped trying it

[frozen owl]

ok fairs

idgaf so i used it

like for a few competitions i needed to make a website to host my stuff so bootstrap it is

[vocal basin]

giant side margins are good for some sites, but just not for the things I make

[primal shadow]

I hate bootstrap

[frozen owl]

like i had to host my online simulations online for example

[primal shadow]

bootstrap is boo-tstrap to me

as in boo

[vocal basin]

pumpkin

[primal shadow]

👎

[frozen owl]

tailwindcss?

[heavy zenith]

pump-king

[primal shadow]

Tolerable

An interesting concept

[vocal basin]

(((e.g. if you wanted to shorten "for example" prior to edit)))

[frozen owl]

ye

ik some ppl do "par ex" in french but i got a bit mixed up the second i sent it

oh wait im supposed to be in english so

[vocal basin]

e[xempli] g[ratia] is Latin, and I'm not sure if it even works at the end of the sentence

[frozen owl]

ye

maybe not grammatically

like

smh my head

same energy

[vocal basin]

RAS Syndrome

[frozen owl]

lol

atm machine

[jaunty socket]

@night tiger are you here ?

[frozen owl]

not yet

[vocal basin]

Wikipedia article on RAS syndrome used to include the recent addition to the list, a certain game's name

[jaunty socket]

@somber heath are you here ?

[vocal basin]

whereas the company needed me to rewrite something in Rust which used to be in C++, because it didn't work

[frozen owl]

how mcuh performance boost

programmer socks time

[vocal basin]

can't compare performance when C++ one crashes all the time

[frozen owl]

• cat ears

ok i sort of know a little bit of opencl stuff

but not good enough to claim that i can write a kernel without looking at the docs

[heavy zenith]

did you just gain cat ears

[frozen owl]

yes

[heavy zenith]

how

[frozen owl]

im popcat

not a crow

[somber heath]

I am now.

[heavy zenith]

when do you gain ears

[jaunty socket]

I downloaded python

[frozen owl]

what was that scream lol

abruptly cut scream

videos that end too soon

we'll be right back

https://tenor.com/view/muye-youtube-mem-meme-worldofmods-gif-22866700

lol

it's gonna get annoying

it's quite rare that i can pop in vc now

half term now

im usually quite busy with school stuff

how can i replace my crappy pylint shit

ik theres a really fast rust one

i saw today

astral sh

im on vscode

[vocal basin]

knee-high is just the default for me~~, though that isnt as outstanding style-wise here given me being a girl~~

[vocal basin]

ruff

[frozen owl]

no, the pylint joke is too slow that i havent heard it yet

ye

https://github.com/astral-sh/ruff

astral-sh lol

they made it

[vocal basin]

crewmate front view

[frozen owl]

amogus

[karmic lake]

Hello

[vocal basin]

the main reason not to use Rust for Python tooling:
it's not Python

@somber heath C++ but better

Zig is C but better

Zig is a C compiler, and also an extension of the language

[frozen owl]

do you use it lol

is it like 100% free

or is there some sort of catch

[vocal basin]

C# and Java ventured off from C++ quite far

@heavy zenith Rust code isn't necessarily more complex

@jaunty socket VC1

[frozen owl]

no hiring though

[vocal basin]

other chat

[vocal basin]

astral.sh are planning to monetise via this https://astral.sh/pyx

this to uv is what Vercel is to Next.js

oh, another new thing
https://github.com/astral-sh/ty

@heavy zenith the absolutely worst part of Rust currently is compilation times

I have a project which takes ~40 minutes to release (with caching)

it's mostly because of big dependencies

large part of that is also link time

async Rust is great but needs to be used correctly

need to always keep in mind that .await is a potential return point

[unique olive]

@jaunty socket what do you wanna do>

[vocal basin]

macros in Rust are another great part, where C++ still needs to catch up

[heavy zenith]

wrong chat

[vocal basin]

#voice-chat-text-1

C++ is gradually getting reflection

[frozen owl]

ah fuck

[vocal basin]

Rust isn't getting reflection any time soon

[frozen owl]

ik about uv

[vocal basin]

one of the metaprogramming approaches

[frozen owl]

i then look more into the project

and i saw ruff

in fact i was browsing the company website this morning

[vocal basin]

pyx will do two things to uv:

• extra funding for development
• proprietary-only features
  (see the Vercel remark)

[vocal basin]

this builds for 4 platforms

[frozen owl]

ah

[vocal basin]

two separate Windows builds

GNU and MSVC

for now, Linux only for x86_64 and aarch64

[frozen owl]

or is it more like tailwindcss and you get to buy stuff

[vocal basin]

(will start doing riscv64gc soon)

for now, the builds are proprietary but I'm gradually open-sourcing the components

I have something like 5 or 6 RISC-V computers, for experiments

(all from the same company, for now)

[frozen owl]

i have like a few raspberry pis

but im too shit at hardware to do some dumb diy project

my frail programmer arms are shit

[frozen owl]

the more experienced you are in rust the higher the socks go

[vocal basin]

I stopped using pre-made ethernet cables at some point, mostly because I need specific lengths,
so at least putting the wires into connectors I do myself now

I wonder how much damage doing it incorrectly can potentially cause

[heavy zenith]

bold

[vocal basin]

-# smol

[frozen owl]

what

[heavy zenith]

Header

• list 1
• list 2

[frozen owl]

ye i knew about this

[vocal basin]

links work too

still waiting for tables to be added

[vocal basin]

~~a~~

`code`

[frozen owl]

dump them here

[vocal basin]

this is not entirely guessable how to do

specifically putting ` in code things

\` won't work there

same as ~ on US layout

`code`

this will just do code

[vocal basin]

`` `code` ``

(`` works just like ` but allows ` inside)

[vocal basin]

finally can do weird JS: `${[] + []} ${[] + {}} ${{} + []} ${{} + {}}`

(can try to guess the output)

[frozen owl]

0

guess

[vocal basin]

' [object Object] [object Object] [object Object][object Object]'

[frozen owl]

but

if you switch

becuse javasript math

same as girl math

[heavy zenith]

• cat ears

[frozen owl]

lol

[vocal basin]

the naive answer would be ' [object Object] 0 NaN'

[]+[] is ''

[]+x is mostly x.toString()

{}+x is mostly +x

(just turns x into a number)

[frozen owl]

i just thought they would eval to 0

have fun doing it in py

[vocal basin]

[]+{} and {}+[] are different

[frozen owl]

ye

[object Object]

and

0

im no master at js lol

[vocal basin]

only first two align with the outside-template logic

so we only have `${{} + []} ${{} + {}}` to solve

+ for some reason gets treated differently

for something that's roughly stringifiable and not a number it just concatenates always

[heavy zenith]

stop already you're going crazy

[somber heath]

@slow urchin https://youtu.be/ftomw87g61Y?si=NEO9Sl3spl6q9vd_

[somber heath]

eCONomist
econOMics
eCONomy

[tacit crane]

Scammer Mail

[somber heath]

Sneaky.

I'm surprised Microsoft hasn't seized the domain.

[woeful blaze]

If you want to know something the common ancestor between cats and dogs must have been very happy because they're relative was the
|| -#smilodon||

[somber heath]

@zenith knoll 👋

https://tenor.com/view/death-note-light-yagami-gif-21202955

[haughty pier]

https://tenor.com/view/sailormoon-art-wallpaper-sailor-moon-gif-20236673

[somber heath]

https://tenor.com/view/dbz-dbs-ribrianne-brianne-gif-9834818

https://tenor.com/view/ribrianne-love-dbs-gif-10395987

@compact snow 👋

[compact snow]

Hi

[somber heath]

@mellow solar 👋

@frozen path 👋

[wise loom]

Has Jassy ever done anything in his life except for cutting jobs?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVt5NcHeBQY

I really don't know what he ever did. Every time I read about him, I don't know what he does.

[somber heath]

@glossy gazelle 👋

Hey, Doc.

[glossy gazelle]

why can't I chat?

[somber heath]

!voice

[wise cargo]

Voice verification

Can’t talk in voice chat? Check out #voice-verification to get access. The criteria for verifying are specified there.

[somber heath]

We have a voice gate. It sucks, but needs must.

@plain salmon 👋

@urban ledge 👋

Hello, Player.

Hi hi, Jik.

A...player?

They are voice permissioned.

They ought to know

Yes.

I rejoined shortly after, because they went.

@sick ledge 👋

Every waking moment feels suffocating.

But the other day there was an echidna, which was nice.

It walked over to where I was and walked under me.

Like, if I sat down, I would have been picked in my mhm.

Because I was squatting down

Well, these things wear ruts, like rain over earth.

You communicated your hopes for me the other day when you were saying goodbye. Do you remember what you said?

Things you wanted for me.

About my enemies.

That made me smile.

It was like..."Oooh....yeah. That feels good."

Like goosebumps.

There's an alternate ending to Breaking Bad where he wakes up as Hal of Malcom in the Middle and it was all a dream.

Robin Williams.

The humanest human.

Funny, yes, but killed the serious stuff, too.

🛌 👋

[primal shadow]

Howdy

Another exciting day in the office

Quiet morning here today

internal

Yea

business tool

Do lotteries elsewhere not take a cut?

I think the difference might be in how the jackpot is advertised

in the US we often advertise pre-tax

elsewhere they often advertise post-tax

taxes on eurojackpot

they do tax it

Governments LOVE lotteries

...

from the winnings

instead of giving someone 100mil and sayign give me back 50 mil

they get 50 mil

6 of one, half dozen the other

"good causes"

taxes

The government collects money and spends it

In Canada

The government takes their cut from the ticket sales

off the top

so for every $x paid in, only $y makes it in

$x - $y = taxes collected

So instead of calling the jackpot 200 mil

it's a 100 mil jackpot

[peak depot]

https://www.veikkausgroup.com/en/sustainability

[primal shadow]

Not tax the sale

IF we ran a fair lottery between the three of us

each throws in $5

and the jackpot is 15

yes?

In America I'd pay tax on my $15 won

in Canada the jackpot would be less than $15

You say it's untaxedx because you didn't see $15 ever

I say the government already took their cut

[peak depot]

https://www.veikkausgroup.com/en/about-us/organization

[primal shadow]

What happened to the other money?

If I win a $100 scratcher, there's no way I'm paying taxes on it

turn ticket in at counter, get cash

🤷

I'm talking lotteries that have jackpots

and the concept of them being taxed

in different ways

Yes, the big difference is WHEN Taxes are paid, not IF

The jackpot for US lotteries is generally some inflated annuity payout figure anyways

not the actual amount of dollars up for grabs

I am

🙂

have a lovely day

[peak depot]

https://tenor.com/view/right-yeah-right-yeah-oh-yeah-ohh-gif-14553729619893238098

[primal shadow]

https://tenor.com/nse2qeoUNnA.gif

[eager lotus]

Hello guys

[primal shadow]

https://tenor.com/qpfI2M8fQbc.gif

That's why

People want to flex, even if it doesn't make sense.

QUANTUM ENCRYPTION!

https://tenor.com/bSSyD.gif

we

the human race

We are one

[eager lotus]

https://tenor.com/view/roblox-running-meme-cursed-gif-10560374944086926268

[primal shadow]

dafuq?

What does that mean?

When the last website?

Is everything quantum encrypted now?

All computers are based on physics....

that's how they work... in this world

You've got bold claims

https://tenor.com/biZRx.gif

What do you use it for on your bot

[calm ginkgo]

100 billion years

[primal shadow]

How are you using htis

"customer data"

Why do you need encryption to know if someone is subbed?

[calm ginkgo]

[primal shadow]

of the quantum variety

to maintain a flag

True False Both

It's super important

THey are schrodinger's subscribers

I took a bootcamp at Elavon to learn about merchant processing when I was in banking

Down to their HQ

https://www.elavon.com/

It all sounds illegit

Square's API?:

Why are you saving card numbers

You are in major violation of PCI compliance, Stripe is not gonna be happy

I bet you their TOS says you CANNOT store customer cards

https://stripe.com/resources/more/how-to-store-customer-card-information-a-quick-guide-to-staying-compliant

They say use AES 256

Why is stripe sending you customer data? You should be sending them...

You wanna test that?

Smart

https://tenor.com/vd2zWSkJueS.gif

[eager lotus]

this man

[primal shadow]

https://tenor.com/bUFxt.gif

lol

[eager lotus]

https://tenor.com/view/sleep-gif-12944899486400191725

[primal shadow]

BUT QUANTUM!

NEED TO USE QUANTUM COMPUTING TO MAKE A SALE!

lol

[eager lotus]

lmao

[primal shadow]

He's got a decade of professional work experience Chris, get off his back.

lol

None of this makes any sense

Why is sam so sad?

They just went for profit

lol?

Are you for real?

I see you're new, might wanna check out #rules

That's exciting, where's the third option, I do what I do, but so do others, and I cannot control them.

I don't read fiction all like that

[eager lotus]

hahahaa

[primal shadow]

Code, lots of it to review today

[eager lotus]

he didn't read #rules hahhaha

[wind raptor]

Oh, I missed this

[primal shadow]

And whatever got autodeleted

and this

[eager lotus]

hahaha

[primal shadow]

Is it me or is Darth a robot?

[calm ginkgo]

?

[primal shadow]

I think I've got bt bud issues

you were coming in all robotic, but now others are too

so it's likely me

[wind raptor]

!ban1342508721804414996 racism

[primal shadow]

forgot the space

[wind raptor]

!ban 1342508721804414996 racism

[primal shadow]

but they can see it coming

[wise cargo]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied ban to @elder quarry permanently.

[primal shadow]

so that was fun

[wind raptor]

woops

[eager lotus]

yep

no

[primal shadow]

Are you muted for never having been unmuted or for doing bad? If the former, #voice-verification if the latter @rapid crown

[wind raptor]

You were using a soundboard in chat and when asked to stop, you didn't

[primal shadow]

Even with PCI compliance, it's a risk

[eager lotus]

chat gpt

[primal shadow]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transcendence_(2014_film)

[eager lotus]

https://tenor.com/view/gato-anotado-noted-noted-gato-noted-cat-gif-15232071836705052766

[primal shadow]

"unbreakable" lol

I bet they say that

not "good enough"

[wind raptor]

!rule 10

[wise cargo]

Rules

10. Do not copy and paste answers from ChatGPT or similar AI tools.

[primal shadow]

What?

[eager lotus]

huh

[primal shadow]

What's indian, the movie? wikipedia? jonny depp?

me?

I don't understand

[wind raptor]

!clban 341072861617717248 Just here to troll it seems

[wise cargo]

:ok_hand: applied ban to @valid vortex permanently.

[primal shadow]

Aww man, did i Imiss what they said?

of value?

lol

[eager lotus]

lmao

[primal shadow]

Maybe they're a pair

[eager lotus]

yes

[primal shadow]

Note the mutes

[calm ginkgo]

my model taking forever to do inference ....because i forgot to turn on KV cache prolly

fingers crossed i get better than 0% accuracy

[eager lotus]

huh haha

nice

vscode is better than pycharm for beginners

yeah

Learn the basic
Fundamental Variables
dominates the basic data types: Integers, floating and strings. Learn arithmetic operations and type conversion.

Data Collections
Explore lists and dictionaries. Learn methods such as append, pop, index, and data structure manipulation.

Loops and Conditionals
masters flow control with for, while loops and if/elif/else structures. Solve problems with complex logic.

the proyect i making is a Python-AI-Assistant

[primal shadow]

What do you currently know?

What is "learn python"

[eager lotus]

it depends on the time you dedicate to it

[primal shadow]

I don't see why people answer these unanswerable questions

[eager lotus]

I don't understand what you mean

do you mean e-commerce?

yeh

yes

Lmao

[vocal basin]

only when configured correctly

[eager lotus]

yup

[vocal basin]

VSCode needs to have ruff installed and enabled

(or some equivalent, but those are very likely to less trivial to use)

Voice Lord

[eager lotus]

yess ruff is what makes VSCode viable; without it, it's much less trivial and PyCharm wins

yup

[wind raptor]

!cpban 794749897910911016

[wise cargo]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied ban to @neat estuary until <t:1762099538:f> (4 days).

[vocal basin]

compban

those all went to VK and Pixiv already instead

and Telegram

@wind raptor I only remember one that got blocked from mm

chief overpromising officer

boredom-to-boredom sadness-as-a-service

B2B SaaS

[chilly warren]

lot of subs

and a course and product

[eager lotus]

and dedicate a lot of time to it. Too much.

It's not impossible, but you have to spend a lot of time on it

To reach a Minecraft audience, you need to participate in streamer event, you need contacts for that

[chilly warren]

shorts are great funnel for your main channel make shorts..

or build a processor in minecraft

hey is anyone here in cloud related roles? need some guidance on where to start...

[eager lotus]

hshshshs why are you laughing like this

[amber raptor]

Start at entry level, gain experience

[eager lotus]

example: Data analyst

[chilly warren]

what you guys talked about i didnt understand much other than vm thing but is a bit overwhelming i was figuring out where to start like to build a base and fundamentals i have no exposure to this field.. i have been doing dsa and core cs subject for some time so....

[frosty garnet]

u pick a cloud?

cloud networking, IAM, appengine, storage buckets, monitoring, VMs, artifact registry

[chilly warren]

like aws google cloud etc?

[frosty garnet]

GCP^^^

gcp = google cloud platform = 3rd biggest cloud

AWS and Azure

[chilly warren]

ya aws was the most popular so that prob

what are you guying working on the jobs what is it like is it exhausting?? i am a going to be a fresher in couple of years searching for a job..

[wind raptor]

Gotta head out. Cheers 😄

[shrewd dragon]

https://21st.dev/community/components

[mortal kraken]

anyone do api broker with .py

also multi devices

i wanna logorythmically trade with a like reg broker ui for live view. i got it connected but my skills lame

backtesting with agents

deepseek ocr is fire

[primal shadow]

Door kickers?

The sequeol

It's like hte game on iPhone called Door Kickers

I don't believe the game is MP

[solemn shell]

hello everyone I am new here. what's the fastest way to get voice privileges

[primal shadow]

Factorio!

Talking

lol

so engage with us, and then you can get past the gate

You've been here a month and a half and that's your first message?

Welcome!

[solemn shell]

Yes i have and its my first message

im looking to learn and meet like minded individuals

I am studying CS and currently in my second year of university also studying to get my sec+ certification

[primal shadow]

That sounds fun. Is Python your preferred language?

[solemn shell]

I learned a little bit of C and java but now I am learning python

how about yourself? what is you preferred language?

[primal shadow]

Python is fun

Professionally I'm full stack, so I do that for $

But when I wanna make something quick I generally prefer Python

[solemn shell]

Thats amazing

Do you enjoy your work? Is it difficult

i am interested in web application security. I really like the idea of defending/breaking into things legally. I use to work physical security in the military and id really love to apply the concepts from military to the computer side of things

[primal shadow]

Not difficult, just a bunch of CRUD

I am less motivated to program outside work since I got the job

[solemn shell]

its funny i just learned about the CRUD acronym on Monday

would you say most developers program less outside of work or is that specific to you?

[primal shadow]

I can only speak for myself

There are plenty who code 9-5 and then some more from 5-9

hello

[whole bear]

hello

[solemn shell]

hi

[amber raptor]

Wouldn’t you do passport renewal via embassy if you are out of country?

[dry jasper]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutual_combat

@amber raptor

[crude nova]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jd1r89Y3ofM @dry jasper

[primal shadow]

What a quiet room

I feel like I'm in there without even being there

[jaunty socket]

bug

debug.

[crude nova]

bug = unexpected error

[jaunty socket]

@crude nova

[crude nova]

debug = looking for and fixing an unexpected error

[primal shadow]

What if I expected the error?

Let's pretend I work for Bethesda

is it really buggy if I expect it?

[vocal basin]

not only that, but generally observing what the program does

(through means other than its primary output)

gathering the information about the program at or after runtime; not acting upon such information

[jaunty socket]

@wise loom , @crude nova , @normal marsh , @stark crow anyone there ?

terminal @dry jasper

IDLE

what is bug in context programen

[crude nova]

What is a bug in context to programming

[jaunty socket]

what is a bug in context to programming

[crude nova]

chatgpt.com

[wise cargo]

You are not allowed to use that command here. Please use the #bot-commands channel instead.

[somber heath]

https://youtu.be/yU2wkD-gbzI?si=QfBOR1oJiCUx9btb

[vestal carbon]

class customer_information:

    def __init__(self, customer_name, customer_phone_number, customer_address)
    self.__customer_name
    customerName = input ("Enter Customer Name ")
    self.__customer_phone_number
    customerNumber = input ("Enter Customer Phone Number ")
    self.__customer_address
    customerAddress = input ("Enter Customer Address ")

class car_information:

    def __init__(self, porsche, mercedes, bmw):
        pass
    1 self.__porsche
    2 self.__mercedes
    3 self.__bmw

class service_pricing_information:

    def (self, parts_charge, labor_charge, tax_charge, part, part_cost)
    self.__parts_charge
    part = input ("Enter the name of the part used ")
    part_cost = input ("Enter the price for the part ")
    self.__labor_charge
    float (input("Enter the number of hours worked"))
    labor_charge = 5.00 #("dollars per hour")
    self.__tax_charge

def main():

    print ("Joe's Autoshop")
    fn:customer_information
    fn:car_information
    fn:service_pricing_information

#end```

[somber heath]

@modest portal 👋

@pure bridge 👋

[modest portal]

Hi

[vestal carbon]

     def __init__(self, customer_name, customer_phone_number, customer_address)


     
     
    1 self.__porsche
    2 self.__mercedes
    3 self.__bmw

    

    def main():

    print ("Joe's Autoshop")
    fn:customer_information
    fn:car_information
    fn:service_pricing_information

    '''```

[woeful blaze]

def pause_game():
    is_paused = True

    # creates pause loop
    while is_paused:

        for event in pyg.event.get():
            if event.type == pyg.KEYDOWN:
                if event.key == pyg.K_CAPSLOCK:
                    is_paused = False


        if event.type == pyg.QUIT:
            is_paused = False

            pyg.quit()

UnboundLocalError: cannot access local variable 'event' where it is not associated with a value

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyn8Q_C0KUs

[woeful blaze]

if menu[pyg.K_ESCAPE]:
screen.blit(menu_font,(435, 428))
pause_game()

[grim bough]

hey guys 👋 anyone here played Rocket League?
I’ve been experimenting with automating one of the tougher in-game mechanics — kinda like those precise dashes or movement combos that usually take crazy timing to pull off.
so I wrote a small Python script that does it automatically using keyboard + mouse inputs. it basically simulates the same quick key presses a player would do, just perfectly timed by code 😄
curious if anyone else has tried something similar or played around with scripting for game mechanics?

[ocean solar]

Hi, i'm new to coding and Python

[woeful blaze]

#==={defs}===#
def pause_game(font):
    is_paused = True

    # creates pause loop
    while is_paused:
        
        font.render(f"Paused", True, (255, 0, 120))

        for event in pyg.event.get():
            if event.type == pyg.KEYDOWN:
                if event.key == pyg.K_TAB:
                    is_paused = False


            if event.type == pyg.QUIT:
                is_paused = False

                pyg.quit()
#===========#

is this code ok?

[frosty shell]

you can simplify

@woeful blaze switch the if statements to be booleans, then set is_paused to them

is_paused = not (event.type ==pyg.KEYDOWN and event.key == pyg.K_TAB)
is_paused = event.type == pyg.QUIT 

[woeful blaze]

Well it is Dana that I was falling from a tutorial

[woeful blaze]

sorry

[frosty shell]

eh, just noticed the for loop... if statements are actually good for preventing thrashing

[woeful blaze]

im trying to have a text renderd when this loop is active

[high shale]

unga

I am data engineer

[hexed trout]

hi totem 👋

[high shale]

https://tenor.com/view/gonjiam-starts-beatboxing-gif-1002528037798198660

Hello there

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-zen-focus-walkman-earbuds-gif-12972884

[scarlet halo]

3AM debugging is no joke 😭

don't ask why i added a bouncing test image

[gritty frost]

bounce bounce

I’m procrastinating on the stuff I have to do 🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️

[paper wolf]

with same resonance as the trampoline

[gritty frost]

yup

I’m making a unity project rn and I realize why python is superior

[paper wolf]

im thinking if you have perfect match with resonance as the trampoline can you go fast enough to escape the earth gravity...

[paper wolf]

unity use c# right?

[gritty frost]

yup

[gritty frost]

supersonic!!!!

[gritty frost]

hello

[paper wolf]

just make sure you have strong trampoline 😂

[gritty frost]

trust

it will work (source : me)

my throat is not working today

very advanced stuff you're seeing right year

100%%%%

figuring out unity took me 2 hours

[cosmic pilot]

hello @normal marsh

[mystic vector]

Cool. Just woke up and saw this.

[somber heath]

@versed hinge 👋

@edgy mortar 👋

Hello, code.

!code

[wise cargo]

Formatting code on Discord

Here's how to format Python code on Discord:

```py
print('Hello world!')
```

These are backticks, not quotes. Check this out if you can't find the backtick key.

For long code samples, you can use our pastebin.

[somber heath]

@austere horizon 👋

[edgy mortar]

print("Circle Calculator")

def from_radius(r: float):
A = 3.14 * r * r
L = 2 * 3.14 * r
D = 2 * r
return A, L, D

def from_diameter(D: float):
r = D / 2
return from_radius(r)

def input_type():
print("1. Enter as an integer")
print("2. Enter as a decimal (float)")
try:
choice = int(input("Enter your choice (1 or 2): "))
if choice == 1:
return int(input("Enter your value: "))
elif choice == 2:
return float(input("Enter your value: "))
else:
print("Please enter 1 or 2 only.")
return input_type()
except ValueError:
print("Error: Numbers only, please.")
return input_type()

def main():
print("Choose your calculation method:")
print("1. Calculate using radius")
print("2. Calculate using diameter")

try:
    choice = int(input("Enter your choice (1 or 2): "))
    if choice == 1:
        print("Enter the radius value:")
        r = input_type()
        A, L, D = from_radius(r)
    elif choice == 2:
        print("Enter the diameter value:")
        D = input_type()
        A, L, D = from_diameter(D)
    else:
        print("Please enter 1 or 2 only.")
        return

    print(f"\n✅ Area of the circle: {A}")
    print(f"✅ Circumference: {L}")
    print(f"✅ Diameter: {D}")

except ValueError:
    print("Error: Please enter a valid number.")

if name == "main":
main()

[somber heath]

Please read this.

@edgy mortar

Do you have a specific question?

Heya

Yes, we're still in the situation.

Well, I don't mind led.

Because what's a day without cat butt?

@half sonnet 👋

[half sonnet]

Hi @somber heath I'm back

[somber heath]

Hello, back, I'm front.

[half sonnet]

Opal I've verified my voice but still I my voice is being suppressed

is there any solution or any bot server where I can get help?

[somber heath]

Leave voice and rejoin.

Now unmute.

Hello. Your mic is a bit iffy. Keep talking.

Yeah, it's not great.

You might want to listen to it.

Stop stop stop.

Stop talking.

Stop stop stop.

@half sonnet

IT'S NOT YOUR FAULT BUT PLEASE STOP TALKING.

@half sonnet

@half sonnet

You need to listen to your mic.

[half sonnet]

what happened?

[somber heath]

Severe distortion. Overloudness. Poor quality.

[half sonnet]

I did something wrong?

[somber heath]

It's not that I can't hear you. I can. I REALLY CAN.

It's loud and bad.

[half sonnet]

sorry guys for this, I'll try to fix it

[peak depot]

https://tenor.com/view/south-park-eric-cartman-but-mom-gif-3433498

[somber heath]

Ungh.

[peak depot]

@upper basin

[somber heath]

Why would you do this?

Oh, Ace being here is very welcome.

I like Ace.

What I don't like is Ace doing that phrase in that voice.

[upper basin]

Ace likes Opal too.

Buutt MEEEEMMM

[somber heath]

It sets my teeth on edge

[peak depot]

https://tenor.com/view/teeth-do-i-have-something-in-my-teeth-jim-carrey-asparagus-crying-gif-5231796

[somber heath]

https://tenor.com/view/futurama-zoidberg-not-hearing-a-no-no-why-not-zoidberg-gif-16449363415242009819

@hidden wraith 👋

@bleak owl 👋

[bleak owl]

tre this

import time

print("⌛ welcome to the pomodorp timer 😊

minutes= input("entre time in min 😊

minutes= int(minutes)

total_sec =minutes*60

while total_sec>0:

minutes=total_sec//60


secs=total_sec%60


clock =f"{minutes:02d}:{secs:02d}"


print( f"\r time remeining: {clock}",end="")

time.sleep(1)

total_sec-=1

print("\ntime`s up , take a break")

lol

[paper wolf]

!code

[wise cargo]

Formatting code on Discord

Here's how to format Python code on Discord:

```py
print('Hello world!')
```

These are backticks, not quotes. Check this out if you can't find the backtick key.

For long code samples, you can use our pastebin.

[patent shard]

yoooo @coarse apex

[wise loom]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKPtZtsLgUA

[vocal basin]

I thought of sharing this on release, but reconsidered, given how Theo doesn't really like to broaden his audience through less tech meaningful videos like this

[grave frigate]

hey guys, does anyone have any NSL-KDD datasets?

how or where to download?

it's a dataset of a network algorithm used in Intrusion Detection System in 4g/5g/6g

I should've done that first, thank you for your suggestion

[primal shadow]

https://code.visualstudio.com/docs/python/python-tutorial

Here's a VSCode getting started guide for Python

🙂

If you have specific questions / issues please do ask

It's not meant to be pronounced anyways 🙂

Depends on the vowel

Fik/

Fok?

Fak?

Fek

All seem fine to me

🌊

https://tenor.com/hVUbZqEASbk.gif

[stray pewter]

I was just thinking of that

[haughty pier]

hu was the president of china?

[primal shadow]

Love that trilogy

[spice nebula]

guys I'm muteed

i want to talkkk

[haughty pier]

see #voice-verification for instructions

[spice nebula]

says i havn't been active enough

i swear I'm nice XD

i need help with something

[haughty pier]

follow the Feynman problem solving algorithm

[spice nebula]

it says i can't

cause of the active thing

i can't have the opportunity to talk at all now?

[haughty pier]

https://chatgpt.com/share/690392cb-e740-800e-94f7-480e3866edd8

[primal shadow]

You gotta get through the voice gate, you do that via text messages

if you need help you can ask for help, and we can try to help

or you can check out #❓｜how-to-get-help

You are presently not permitted to use voice chat (it's easy enough to get past), keeps the server happy our ears blood free. The gate is great.

[haughty pier]

Write down the problem carefully here in text chat.

[tulip root]

https://github.com/pythonnet/pythonnet

[primal shadow]

how urgent can it be?

[spice nebula]

I'm multi tasking

it's a talent

[primal shadow]

It's a myth

https://neuroleadership.com/your-brain-at-work/the-myth-of-multitasking

[haughty pier]

The most difficult thing to get people new to coding to do to get help is to be very careful in their formulation of the question, otherwise they tend to say things like "I have a problem with blah" where blah is some thing, but they don't really say what they want to accomplish, how to reproduce the problem, various ideas they've already tried, etc...

[vocal basin]

this still sounds like quick switching between tasks

[spice nebula]

ok, so basically I'm on search for the most efficient pedagogy to teach kids how to code.

and i was looking to have some conversations over that topic

[vocal basin]

teach them they need to sleep

teach them they need to take breaks

cheat codes for programming efficiency

[vocal basin]

our CTO classifies multitasking as an anti-pattern/scheduling failure if we have >1 specific non-backlog business task worked on in a day
(and an absolute disaster, if more than three)

pick something to do, get it done, do next thing

[vocal basin]

I might have a slow brain

[primal shadow]

Which is why multitasking is a myth

[vocal basin]

context switching is seemingly where the cost comes from
(I haven't read what that article says on that)

[primal shadow]

The point really is we don't multitask

we pause a task and do a different one

then go back

And ultimately, it slows us down

hence I said multitasking is a myth

Shit, rotate your right hand clockwise and your right foot counter clockwise

good luck 🙂

swing? IDK the word

rotate ain't right hte more I think about it

[vocal basin]

brain does process certain types of information and does some thinking in parallel;
but, yeah, anything, which directly hits the conscience/speech processing, needs to get linearised seems like

can surpass that limit with ✨lobotomy✨

and other forms of brain damage

[vocal basin]

turn?

[vocal basin]

I don't think I'm capable of doing the second one consistently even without the first one messing with it

lmao

[calm ginkgo]

https://scikit-learn.org/stable/modules/generated/sklearn.neighbors.KDTree.html

[fresh vale]

i am within 10 miles of us-east-1, should i pay my respects?

[primal shadow]

Swing em both the same way, should be easy enough

then swap one, the other should immediately follow

[vocal basin]

the problem is that it can't even do that

[primal shadow]

little circles?

twirl your finger in a circle

[vocal basin]

I can do the hand part only

[primal shadow]

Swing your arm counterclockwise while twirling your finger clockwise

or swing your arm,then try to twirl the finger

similarly, can do them in the same direction, but try to mix it up

and brain says no thankws

[stray pewter]

@rugged root I have a question, im working on a search engine, and I need a web crawler that listens to robot.txt and indexes pages and then I need to develop a somewhat basic ranking system

how does one achive this

[vocal basin]

hard relative to arm + arm is doable, but that is from keeping the end of the hand at a fixed point

ah, no

it's same direction then too

hmm

difficult geometry

[primal shadow]

Yea, twirl em both, then switch the finger direction and watch the arm stop

it's so strange

like a fatal error in a program, it just crashes

[peak depot]

he is driving a car, does not read the chat

[vocal basin]

def can_crawl_page(url: str):
    _ = url
    return False

technically compliant

[stray pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/lil-yachty-drake-laptop-duh-gif-8033838636860661307

[vocal basin]

def crawled_pages_by_rank() -> list[url]:
    return []

technicality driven development

[blazing mantle]

meep morp

[vocal basin]

okay I can technically do right arm clockwise + index finger of right hand counter-clockwise but the arm rotation needs to be quite slow

[stray pewter]

notn't

[timid quartz]

HI