"very smart UX, using the keyboard does not mean you're not AFK"
#voice-chat-text-0
vocal basin
Medium is only, like, 0.1% things worth reading and which are indexed by google;
everything else is either meaningless and/or overly pretentious
whole bear
Xd
But you sure do have a deep understanding of such a simple yet complex aspect of app development and so on
vocal basin
I've once witnessed an article from some HTML fanatic purist that managed to somehow include transphobic and ableist language in that post
iirc it was an article "criticising" HTMX
vocal basin
I've once witnessed an article from some HTML fanatic purist that managed to som...
this is the level of "ability" some authors on Medium have
whole bear
this is the level of "ability" some authors on Medium have
Somehow, content is impressive
vocal basin
I prefer the happy land of free Medium articles over that
vocal basin
I've once witnessed an article from some HTML fanatic purist that managed to som...
(this was paywalled)
((but archived, thanks to HTMX's CEOs))
this is a good article (since it's not on Medium)
https://htmx.org/essays/htmx-sucks/
and somewhere in the first section it links to the archive
though the archive might be dead
round topaz
Hi, there
whole bear
this is a good article (since it's not on Medium)
https://htmx.org/essays/htmx-s...
Okay professor, now I feel like I need to write an essay in response.. Lol
That guy hate everything about HTMX
Im epy gotta go, it was nice having a conversation with you all!
vocal basin
this is a good article (since it's not on Medium)
https://htmx.org/essays/htmx-s...
(this one is ||written by the creator of HTMX||)
||also most things there are partially benefits, it's one big troll piece||
vocal basin
(this one is ||written by the creator of HTMX||)
whole bear
@ivory stumpYo what is your fav anime op?
whole bear
@rugged rootHey
Is it possible to get my voice perms back?
Should I Dm modmail?
Got it thanks
rugged root
@marsh stag Yo
marsh stag
Hy
woeful blaze
How are you doing today?
wise cargoBOT
✅ @soft axle can now stream until <t:1744154361:f>.
vocal basin
I had something dumb to share with Hemlock but I already forgot what
kind of on brand
vocal basin
another candidate for what I might've wanted to share (from recently saved images)
@rugged root hippopotamus oauth2, the sequel to that thing that doctors have
vocal basin
youtube decided to finally ask me about my opinion on Australian vegan music
great how the whole box is as red as the thumbnail
clearly colour of happiness and celebration and not whatever else
vocal basin
You're turning into me
rugged root
Well played
vocal basin
I kept that screenshot because I knew it would be useful
rugged root
How very right you were
vocal basin
I still have that error message in code just in case
three hundred
and
thirty
SQL statements
I now have to add error handling to all of them
serialised ledger
linear
speaking of dictionaries
in this whole 20K lines of code
I used HashMap and HashSet exactly 0 times
none
not even in other crates' APIs
rugged root
three hundred
and
thirty
SQL statements
That's a lot
vocal basin
not even in other `crate`s' APIs
thanks schemars for using a superior type
vocal basin
That's a lot
not including migrations
480 total
@somber heath I had something similar, it ended up being not a headphones or a phone issue
it was an ear issue
a somewhat annoying situation
vocal basin
the sound is produced within the ear, thanks to headphones being too airtight
so in part it is a headphones issue
but the sound origin is not in headphones
vocal basin
As in you had something wrong with your hearing?
also, yes, I do
and generally ear issues not only hearing related
they like to bleed without a reason a lot and are refusing to heal fast enough
thankfully mostly on the outside
somber heath
I've been using the unit for some time and I was jiggling things to see if it was a loose connection or something, it was still doing it.
somber heath
they like to bleed without a reason a lot and are refusing to heal fast enough
and oh my god
rugged root
they like to bleed without a reason a lot and are refusing to heal fast enough
Uhhhhhhhhhhhh
vocal basin
@soft axle if you get to choose what DB to use, yes
SQLite is fine too
mass-inserts are pain in MySQL/MariaDB
everything else literally does not exist
@rugged root to be confused with Spring
we had it mentioned a few days ago
I forgot by who
maybe Rabbit
maybe not
whole bear
@rugged rootYou are usually not here this late. What changed?
vocal basin
cs2, db2 same thing
whole bear
What's your guys' fav anime opening song?
vocal basin
it took me some time to remember that hectopascal from yagate kimi ni naru was ending not opening
wind raptor
What's your guys' fav anime opening song?
hmm... let me find my current fav
whole bear
Hemlock do you have an answer?
rugged root
I don't. I can't remember the last time I've watched anime
whole bear
Evangelion?
rugged root
vocal basin
off-chain trading is a thing
why and how but yes
trust someone
like blockstream
which effectively controls bitcoin anyway
they forced their will upon the block size vote
I'm afraid to even attempt to find out the maximum amount of queries I'm doing per transaction
and the number of tables involved
rugged root
Your hand would just fall off at that point
vocal basin
like if I was sum up tables per query it would go over 100 at times
without querying in a loop
just the querying logic is so complex
but it works
and performs
soft axle
vocal basin
I'm not even looking at query planner diagrams anymore
they're too big to comprehend
I still want a stenotype
@rugged root C++ users are unhappy that Rust users don't get to suffer from C++ enough
now I'm realising C++ is more of a cult than Rust
always has been
@rugged root "Farzin is in the Rust server too, do we extrapolate that classification onto him now too?"
people who actually know C++ are very vocal about C++ being bad
it doesn't have design defects, it is a design defect
C++ could be a good language
if it was designed not committeed
@rugged root I know someone who hates them
r and fr string I mean
oh lmao nothing has been committed to the repo since my PRs
@rugged root https://github.com/HuyaneMatsu/hata/pull/94
wind raptor
What's your guys' fav anime opening song?
FMA:Brotherhood S1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elyXcwunIYA
Goblin Slayer S1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N301TAIEYy4
Kaiju No. 8 S1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aso1mQLUAbc
Apothecary Diaries S1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQ-DKvLQlyQ
whole bear
<@98195144192331776> <https://github.com/HuyaneMatsu/hata/pull/94>
OMG You like Hana ni natte
That's amazing
wise cargoBOT
wind raptor
That's amazing
Just a few notable ones I remember
vocal basin
!e
from sys import executable
from subprocess import check_output
print(check_output([executable, "-m", "sqlite3", "--help"]).decode())
:white_check_mark: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 0.
001 | usage: python -m sqlite3 [-h] [-v] [filename] [sql]
002 |
003 | Python sqlite3 CLI
004 |
005 | positional arguments:
006 | filename SQLite database to open (defaults to ':memory:'). A new
007 | database is created if the file does not previously exist.
008 | sql An SQL query to execute. Any returned rows are printed to
009 | stdout.
010 |
... (truncated - too many lines)
Full output: https://paste.pythondiscord.com/T2D4KG75WKB4DNW6TX5TEWNEYE
vocal basin
!e
from sys import executable
from subprocess import check_output
print(check_output([executable, "-m", "sqlite3", "--help"], text=True))
:white_check_mark: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 0.
001 | usage: python -m sqlite3 [-h] [-v] [filename] [sql]
002 |
003 | Python sqlite3 CLI
004 |
005 | positional arguments:
006 | filename SQLite database to open (defaults to ':memory:'). A new
007 | database is created if the file does not previously exist.
008 | sql An SQL query to execute. Any returned rows are printed to
009 | stdout.
010 |
... (truncated - too many lines)
Full output: https://paste.pythondiscord.com/MU4WFH7CNSNC4UD24AFT6SMAUI
vocal basin
same thing
wind raptor
soft axle
wind raptor
vocal basin
@woeful wyvern uv
don't use system python
leave system python alone
use uv
I gave you the answer
it's the only sane one
curl -LsSf https://astral.sh/uv/install.sh | sh
maths and RPLCS
I don't interact in the mathematics server
I only joined to tell some other person to stop promoting my game too much
computercraft?
I don't like computercraft because it's a bit too magicky and proprietary
opencomputers is the way
uv python install 3.13
now go to the project directory
uv add <what you want to install>
it will yell at you because you don't have pyproject.toml
then add pyproject.toml to the project
[project]
name = "whatever"
version = "0.0.0"
requires-python = ">=3.13"
@woeful wyvern which command failed?
what are you installing, again?
as a dependency
woeful wyvern
uv add robyn
vocal basin
ah
yeah, Robyn is in Rust
their CI is failing
as such you have no wheels available
you need actual rust compiler to install robyn in such circumstances
it might have wheels available for some platforms
!pypi robyn
wise cargoBOT
vocal basin
starlette
FastAPI is a DI framework for Starlette
dependency injection
what is the usecase?
@soft axle regarding the author of C discussion:
1 request per second?
with such requirements you can literally start up and shutdown the entire application per each request
this is such a low request volume
pseudo prawn
whats up guys cant talk until i have 50 messages so ill chill and listen and respond here 🙂
vocal basin
one request per second, one second of compute per request
pseudo prawn
could have been before they had that feature was his point
vocal basin
like the literal dumbest deployment option
vocal basin
with such requirements you can literally start up and shutdown the entire applic...
basically this
pseudo prawn
about the python thing do a python loop to iterate a variable by one each iteration and stop wjen it it 1billion and then write it in any compiled language and see how long it takes tp loop a billion times
vocal basin
anyway, literally any web framework is fine when you need to process only one request per second
put it in a container, collocate with other apps
just a differently marketed/priced google cloud
don't go for optimisation until you can meaningfully measure it
or just aiohttp, single thread without ASGI at all
@woeful wyvern it is using decorators for server-side
it's client-side that's async with everywhere
WS -> likely WebSocket
you can shove a few millions messages a second through WebSocket if you ever want that
or hundred thousand in case of Python
unrelated
WebRTC is not even related to HTTP
it's a UDP-based protocol
unreliable by design
UDP being unreliable is a feature
it's only on mobile internet that I ever have my device behind a NAT that I don't control
pseudo prawn
what are u making
vocal basin
STUN assumes at least one of the two parties is publicly available
TURN doesn't, since it's a relay
insanity
only two weeks
@woeful wyvern try combining it with multiprocessing
fork bomb recipe
anything created/ran on startup is a runaway issue when paired with multiprocessing
that's why if __name__ == "__main__": is important, for example
#esoteric-python material
woeful wyvern
# here we perform logic to detect if AutoStart has been explicity imported I.E
# "from repyx import AutoStart" as opposed to "import repyx" or "from repyx import Server"
class AutoStart: pass
# I chose to use a class here arbitrarily, any type of variable should work really
stacks = inspect.stack()
def _autoStart():
global stacks, autoStartStack
time.sleep(1)
for frame in stacks:
if os.path.basename(__file__) in frame.filename:
# exclude occurrences of AutoStart in this file (stack)
continue
if "AutoStart" in frame.frame.f_globals.keys():
if frame.frame.f_globals["AutoStart"] is AutoStart:
# there seems to be 2 stacks with the same globals,
# so in my case the code here gets run twice
print("repyx: Auto starting...")
autoStartStack = frame.frame
s = Server()
s.start()
return
if __name__ != "__main__":
Thread(target=_autoStart).start()
!d threading.Event
wise cargoBOT
vocal basin
molecule? so non-specific
name the cat tetrafluoroborate
quiet sleet
PYGMY HIPPO DAY
quartz beacon
PYGMY HIPPO DAY
Hipper
vocal basin
@quartz beacon "or will anyway, just not in an energetic way"
in response to "won't die of caffeine overdose"
astral coral
yeah man
round mirage
idk if ill be here for that long
astral coral
it's cool
round mirage
but i dont want to spam here
astral coral
you're cool man
astral coral
yeah I do this too myself alot
round mirage
and i have to end this code by end of this day
astral coral
ahhh shit dude
round mirage
oh HTML and CSS is easy af
agree with this part
but ALLEGRO API is fu***** spaghetti code type shiet
astral coral
oOf
round mirage
and i have no clue why my code dont want to post data
their errors says: ERROR OCURED CONTACT TO CODE DEVELOPER
i am the developer
astral coral
fuck sake XD
round mirage
and i have no idea what is happening
yeeee
bless rng
so today in last 10 minutes i did exacly same data form like they have in their api
so maybe right now it will work
well se
lets try
astral coral
shit dude, best of luck lol
round mirage
i can say that in poland its windy and cloudy
astral coral
ahahahahaha
round mirage
and in 50 minutes i have go to my scholl
so i need to write ATLEAST 1 message per minute
thats how math works
on the other side i dont have to do that
because i dont have to do anythink
like every human being
thats called free will
and we can
but we dont have to
as well you can add milk to your ammm
what are you eating with milk
round mirage
flakes
astral coral
milk to cereal
round mirage
in poland we say there are 2 uda
uda means
thighs
or uda means it will work out
so there are 2 uda
uda się or nie uda się
so in translation
it will work out or it wont
thats why we have 2 thighs
so Polish proverb will be corect
sure thing
peak depot
milk to cereal
call the vet
astral coral
call the vet
have to wait 4 mins - opens at 9am ¬¬
astral coral
call the vet
I called the vet, I need to see my friend today and sort out the vet registration/bills etc
it's 9:10am, he won't wake till this afternoon
so I'll go at like 12pm
astral coral
call the vet
so errr I registered in my name etc etc because I get better "benefits" than my friend
vocal basin
I have decided to go to the office despite the snow
@urban abyss the event might be over already but I'm not sure
!source
wise cargoBOT
vocal basin
.source
viscid lagoonBOT
vocal basin
ah
@urban abyss !e is internet-isolated
only trusted and popular enough packages are pre-installed
the same way as how the Rust playground works
vocal basin
only trusted and popular enough packages are pre-installed
dependencies are harder to sandbox, including because of non-Python code included in them
also installation takes time
since December
full-time, no specialisation
I had more actual devops experience prior to joining the company than all the people there combined
I was the one to bring Docker use to the company
systemd
systemd isn't really that much different from Docker in terms of how it's ran
it's the filesystem isolation that's mainly different
both use cgroups
systemd likely has capabilities to use namespaces
but not for process namespace, since the services are kind of expected to see the same PID as the systemd itself sees
whereas in Docker you're always started as PID 1
Dockerfile is very separately existing from the actual runtime, in large part
because of some docker weirdness you can build containers but not run them in certain environments
I don't remember what was the exact error, but it's mostly because of extra things that the runtime needs to configure
e.g. mounting volumes
yes
@turbid basin don't centre yourself around frameworks
they're just tools and should be viewed as such
also most things are actually libraries and/or should be used as libraries
@turbid basin if you want a short answer and don't want to do research:
VSCode with ruff and Pylance extensions installed
Python will bring Pylance
ruff you should use in addition to that
you will end up using pyproject.toml at some point, then you'll also need the "Even Better TOML" extension
we're still at 3.8
which is dead
@somber heath sounded like past JS experience given the framework thing
aiohttp, for example, is not a framework
@somber heath you call libraries, but the framework calls you
you're just filling stuff in instead of building things out of pieces
*args
vocal basin
I have decided to go to the office despite the snow
anyway I have to go now
urban abyss
cya
somber heath
!e ```py
def func(*args):
print(args)
func()
func(1)
func(1, 2)
func(1, 2, 3)```
wise cargoBOT
!e ```py
def func(*args):
print(args)
func()
func(1)
func(1, 2)
func(1, 2, ...
:white_check_mark: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 0.
001 | ()
002 | (1,)
003 | (1, 2)
004 | (1, 2, 3)
!e ```py
def func(a, b, *args):
print(a)
print(b)
print(args)
func(1, 2, 3, 4, 5)```
wise cargoBOT
!e ```py
def func(a, b, *args):
print(a)
print(b)
print(args)
func(...
:white_check_mark: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 0.
001 | 1
002 | 2
003 | (3, 4, 5)
Linear Regression Formula Ex:
intercept + (variable1_coefficient * variable1_value) + '' " + " " + [CI (SE +/- ]])
somber heath
@turbid basin There are better UX frameworks, however, it is the one that comes with Python natively.
It's an idea to be at least familiar.
Functions?
soft axle
intercept + {co1 : x1, co2 : x2 .... }
somber heath
What type is intercept?
inner hill
<@1311332562324684870> There are better UX frameworks, however, it is the one th...
what are those better UX framework
somber heath
type(intercept)
soft axle
floats
wise cargoBOT
!e ```
float() + dict()```
:x: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 1.
001 | Traceback (most recent call last):
002 | File "/home/main.py", line 1, in <module>
003 | float() + dict()
004 | ~~~~~~~~^~~~~~~~
005 | TypeError: unsupported operand type(s) for +: 'float' and 'dict'
PyQt5 is one I hear spoken of well.
A lot of things are moving to web.
vs local ui
soft axle
rent = flat_number + (square_footage * insert_sqft) + (# of bedrooms * insert_bedrooms) + , etc.
somber heath
def func(flat_number, square_footage, insert_sqft, k_bedrooms, insert_bedrooms, ...):
return flat_number + (square_footage * insert_sqft) + (k_bedrooms * insert_bedrooms) + ...```You can, but no.
You can create another module.
If you were forking the project, yes.
vocal basin
PyQt5 is one I hear spoken of well.
PySide
dawn orchid
<@1224381717033521240> 👋
HI
somber heath
!voice
wise cargoBOT
somber heath
@hidden sapphire 👋
hidden sapphire
Hello guys
inner hill
@upper basin are you using django default db sqlite or other database
froms.py is used to display the fields that you define in model in the html template in the form for the user to enter
inner hill
can you hear me
whole bear
@somber heath 👋
astral coral
Hmmm need better GPU
inner hill
@upper basin if want the user to enter the details like username or password,if you have to create the html page for the user to enter the data ,otherwise you have to pass the data through the python shell or django admin panel
forms.py is used to pass the fields you created in the model.py to html file
you have to use views.py to render the html page and validate,save the value to the database
urls.py defines the name of the url of the html page and there related view
somber heath
@whole bear 👋
whole bear
I am here
whole bear
<@456226577798135808> 👋
yes
vocal basin
password, as stored in the db and as received from a form are fundamentally incompatible
makes it at times harder to model storing/creating/showing users
vocal basin
makes it at times harder to model storing/creating/showing users
because these three cases always have different data
alpine crater
👋
vocal basin
password -> password hash -> nothing
(from creation through storage to view)
just a thing to remember
inner hill
password, as stored in the db and as received from a form are fundamentally inco...
you can encrypt it ,if you want to and django bydefault encrypt the password if you are extending from the built user module of django
alpine crater
so what are we doing today
vocal basin
you can encrypt it ,if you want to and django bydefault encrypt the password if ...
yeah, needs extra setup
also hash not encrypt
encryption (because laws) is usually applied to personally identifying or otherwise sensitive information
somber heath
so what are we doing today
vocal basin
encryption (because laws) is usually applied to personally identifying or otherw...
it is generally a meaningless measure but laws apparently aren't required to make sense
alpine crater
well I finally found a architecture I was happy with (and have since implemented)
that marks the end to weeks of worrying about parent-child communication.
(it still feels a bit dirty using async for this, but on the other hand it was the cleanest way to avoid borrowing issues I found)
vocal basin
{insert HTMX diagram meme}
alpine crater
basically I use async channels, which means the current rendering context can just return, then the js runtime executes the receiving end
I am not really using it for the actual async-ness of async, but just as a way to defer execution
(non-async setups was just hard to do in a way that wasnt messy, and also didnt run into panics in edge cases)
vocal basin
{insert HTMX diagram meme}
first one in https://htmx.org/essays/#memes
alpine crater
(a hard edge-case is a child emitting a event to the parent in response to a message from the parent)
which this async setup just handles flawlessly
somber heath
I think Ace went away for a thing.
somber heath
Said they'd brb I think.
When am I not?
Or do I?
Well, sure. There was a conference around the water bowls out front, today.
Pigeon sitting in the bowl sunning its wing.
alpine crater
first one in https://htmx.org/essays/#memes
htmx is one of those things that sounds nice but I just hate.
for one, wtf do you do when you need client-only state?
somber heath
help me pls
I'm not sure I'm all that keen on offering help given you've set your name to what you have.
vocal basin
htmx is one of those things that sounds nice but I just hate.
for one, wtf do yo...
it's not supposed to replace everything
alpine crater
it's not supposed to replace everything
I know I know
I guess its because 99% of my applications are 95% client state
inner hill
@upper basin does your project say you don't need a user interface for the user to enter details ,if then you can use python shell or admin panel to save the value to the databse
alpine crater
and also I just dont enjoy writing server side routes for every possible state update
instead of just having a frontend framework do reacticity
vocal basin
Forgejo only uses HTMX for star/fork/watch buttons
spice loom
@somber heath
alpine crater
Forgejo only uses HTMX for star/fork/watch buttons
really? seems.... overkill to pull it in for just that
spice loom
NVM
vocal basin
really? seems.... overkill to pull it in for just that
no, the opposite, using custom JS would be an overkill
spice loom
I GOT THE SOLUTION
somber heath
@midnight mason 👋
midnight mason
vocal basin
why would you write fetch to update the count when it's already been implemented in htmx
alpine crater
because writing a fetch doesnt require pulling in a whole library
somber heath
<@317279909112446976>
I hope you realise that this new name only further perpetuates my feelings of exasperation and distaste.
vocal basin
the pages themselves are already quite giant, tiny library isn't making it much worse
alpine crater
I guess
vocal basin
it's mostly a server-side templated application
alpine crater
ah
in that case, sure
I thought you meant they had a normal csr (or ssr + hydration) framework in place, and used htmx style updates for just that
spice loom
@somber heath its temporary imma change it sowy
also bro
u got premium english or smthn 💀 🙏
spice loom
u got premium english or smthn 💀 🙏
i had to google those words ;-;
lol
im sowy
for my name
alpine crater
yhe I will admitt if most of your reactive updates are the result of re-fetching server state, htmx is likely an improvement
vocal basin
I should properly go through the whole docs of HTMX
like I did with Python, Rust, core Zig, ZeroMQ and maybe some other things I forgot
like how Zig standard library docs are formed
except it's kilobytes not megabytes
alpine crater
but if most of your reactive updates can be calculated client side (idk.... maybe a editor like thing where it only gets pushed to the server at the end) then I think a csr framework is better.
(I am am not gonna get into virtual-dom vs no-virtual-dom, what framework to use (use mine), etc here 🙃 )
do you refetch that whole json, or is it refresh the page to get updates kind of situation
vocal basin
event stream of changes in both directions
alpine crater
(also it does annoy me a bit when they talk about htmx as the altnative to js frameworks.... when it is js.... its basically just a bunch of js utility functions you can call via html attributes)
somber heath
im sowy
Don't apologise unless you mean it and if you do, back it up with action / change.
This is just general life advice.
alpine crater
so watching a "react port to htmx" talk, and its like "we can filter this list, and its all htmx"
and I am like... "you are asking the server to filter data... that you already have avilable client side?"
somber heath
I'm surprised it hasn't been even worse.
alpine crater
gtg
vocal basin
so watching a "react port to htmx" talk, and its like "we can filter this list, ...
state model for filtering is indeed nontrivial
as Sean Parent said in response to people misusing Fibonacci numbers calculation to demonstrate whatever, use real examples
(from better code: concurrency)
somber heath
20 or so seconds beforehand.
The first question is not how can you, but whether you can.
@fathom laurel 👋
fathom laurel
@somber heath 👋
vocal basin
bismium
gold is used in electronics, platinum is used in chemistry
what is palladium used for
ah, like platinum
yeah
oaky it's literally just lighter platinum
unlike Nickel which is in the same group
which is primarily used for poisoning Norilsk's rivers
do I remember correctly that it's, like, first or second most abundant metal? (on Earth)
no it's not
hmm
way down the raking but still somewhat frequent
vocal basin
do I remember correctly that it's, like, first or second most abundant metal? (o...
Aluminium and Iron are
rubidium: annual production tones: just 2
the what's a Dysprosium
somber heath
Finance, gold, metals.
somber heath
I Gave My Love a Quantum Burrito.
vocal basin
can we !remind other users 
vocal basin
schrödingerrito
somber heath
Ooh.
object oriented devops.
Burrito-in-superposition
Burrito-function-collapse
A clockwork burrito.
vocal basin
the only CI I deal with is Actions
@wind raptor Gitea can no longer pull code from Forgejo
Forgejo went GPL
as example of where you can't take code back
Rust things are mostly licensed under MIT+Apache2
I already forgot why
looked up
MIT allows anyone to use it
Apache2 forces contributors to drop patent claims
@wind raptor leetcode is built with graphql too
amber raptor
vocal basin
(when used, it's actually less, it's just amount of definitions in code)
doing proper REST means I can just use curl
and usage is very trivial
vocal basin
doing proper REST means I can just use `curl`
or postman or whatever else
for TypeScript there is tRPC
idk what it does on the inside
likely magic akin to server actions
amber raptor
Oh yea, debugging graphQL is awful
vocal basin
recursive queries performance 🥰
shocking news to some API designers: GET, PUT, PATCH, and DELETE exist, it's not all POST
also query parameters are a thing
wind raptor
shocking news to some API designers: `GET`, `PUT`, `PATCH`, and `DELETE` exist, ...
Do people not know about the other methods?
vocal basin
most only know GET and POST
when looking up stuff with some custom parameters, many pick POST not GET
also many people misuse GET, but that's a separate issue
vocal basin
most only know `GET` and `POST`
and some people know GET or POST and not both
vocal basin
Do people not know about the other methods?
some people believe PUT cannot be used without POST on the same route
wind raptor
yikes... not sure how you could design a rest API without knowing the basics of http methods... would that even be rest?
vocal basin
same for PATCH
sharp field
@amber raptor @wind raptor it is so hard to deport an actual U.S. citizen
molten pewter
sharp field
they type any identification into their computer
your id, they can see your passport, etc
somber heath
vocal basin
yikes... not sure how you could design a rest API without knowing the basics of ...
it wouldnt't be REST
wind raptor
ahh
sharp field
there is a database with your paperwork submitted, people just dont get the proper documentation
the U.S. customs at the canada border saw literally everything when my flordia friend gave him his flordia id
@amber raptor
since he forgot his passport
in the U.S.
canada just let him through
rugged root
It's a long long game
sharp field
That has to be uncommon, right? The Canada border thing
i mean it costs money def and people are lazy
vocal basin
the fucking ubuntu crashed again
rugged root
I feel called out
sharp field
so many people dont even have their own passports because they never travel
rugged root
Also called out
vocal basin
the fucking ubuntu crashed again
grrrrrrr
rugged root
I've never had to go out of the country
I should get one...
It'd just be another thing to add to the pile of crap I need to do
amber raptor
but u make the money back over paying taxes ur entire life
Localities don’t care
primal shadow
❤️ Javascript
rugged root
That makes some twisted sense, though
Some how
Nevermind, I don't know why I'm trying to even think of defending JS
vocal basin
❤️ Javascript
rugged root
So cursed
primal shadow
Is there a website for that?
Have an interview today, need to trip them up
Want to ask them to evaluate some JS for me, this looks fun
rugged root
DEI == Data Elimination, Innit?
primal shadow
Do immigrants dodge tariffs? lol
primal shadow
This is such a flawed argument
For property taxes, call it lad
land
poor people occupy less land per person as well
primal shadow
Slumlords pack em like sardines
whole bear
Sorry browser just closed out of nowhere
primal shadow
So the rich, who steal from their workers, are the good guys
and the poors, who drive the economy
are bad
Got it ✅
🤣
rugged root
I don't think anyone is claiming good or bad
primal shadow
Lemme go 👢 👅
molten pewter
rugged root
https://www.pewtrusts.org/en/research-and-analysis/articles/2024/09/17/immigrant...
Pew Research investigate and analyze seats at churches
primal shadow
Take out the poor folks, and America will fail
But the women are bad?
who needs immigrants when you can just employ children
That'll make America Great
fingerless children
rugged root
What about fingerless immigrant children?
rugged root
If it's just on one hand, you get a five finger discount
rugged root
Okay, I have to call out Windows on something (no surprise). If you adjust your volume, a little pop up shows up
primal shadow
Yea, Mississippi relied what, 23% on the fed for education budget?
rugged root
There is no built in way to keep that from popping up
vocal basin
who needs immigrants when you can just employ children
reminded of
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZW7nVocK-Ts
rugged root
Fucking.... why
rugged root
Like... god damn it
primal shadow
Just because they keep saying it, does not make it true
Holy shit
Notice there's another side saying something different
rugged root
Just because they keep saying it, does not make it true
Works for the Orks
rugged root
More dakka
primal shadow
as the republican says
what?
do you know what a crime rate is?
it's crime per population
That's not the rate
what hte fuck
that's bullshiut
it's a fucking stupid irrelevant number
the point of the number is to cherry pick data and mislead
Crime against the immigrants
obviously, the fault of the immigrants
rugged root
Is there a way to clear the cache for just one website, or do you have to clear it for all?
vocal basin
Is there a way to clear the cache for just one website, or do you have to clear ...
ctrl shift r?
primal shadow
rugged root
ctrl shift r?
It doesn't fully clear it
primal shadow
vocal basin
you can disable it
rugged root
Ehhhhhh
rugged root
Doesn't clea- oh I can just do it from there
Not just disable
I should be able to properly clear
Not super important, just popped into my head
dire pebble
Where is offtopic channel
vocal basin
!ot
wise cargoBOT
urban abyss
yo
vocal basin
not everyone but the discussion did split
urban abyss
Recommendations on job sites for software dev?
whole bear
hello
vocal basin
in Europe presumably?
whole bear
how are you, guys?
whole bear
in Europe presumably?
Wdym?
urban abyss
in Europe presumably?
Yep, I'm in the UK. Although sometimes jobs don't get shown if you specify location and they're multi site etc.
whole bear
how are you, guys?
dude, no reaction to my sentence lmao
probably it seems that everyone is busy a lot
Swa la la
urban abyss
how are you, guys?
not great
vocal basin
except for linkedin and hh.ru, I've only heard of job websites from ads
never heard other people recommend any
urban abyss
except for linkedin and hh.ru, I've only heard of job websites from ads
not heard of hh.ru
vocal basin
Russian one
idk if it's only in Russia or Union State
I'm trying to remember how much it cost me to travel ~500km and back by train
the last time
primal shadow
A mix of size and lobbying
whole bear
Privatisation ain't good
primal shadow
But the select few is the one pushing the privatization
and everyone else keeps electing them...
vocal basin
I'm trying to remember how much it cost me to travel ~500km and back by train
$30.30
primal shadow
Maintaining infrastructure should not be a profit seeking process
it should be a government expense, straight up, that's what we pay for
Like the arguments against the USPS and it's unprofitability
it's not supposed to turn af uckin profit
it's supposed to make the whole of the US accessible
vocal basin
for ~13 hour ride total
primal shadow
Where's our military profit"?
vocal basin
(~6.5 one way and ~6.5 back)
primal shadow
Other than Northropp and Boeing and Lockheed's balance sheet
No, it's not.
At all
We get shit service
FedEx sucks, always has
The existence of these shitty logistics companies pushes the ruling class to murder the USPS
so 100% disagree
with the current line
vocal basin
Russian Mail Service somehow got better over the years
very surprising lack of neglect
vocal basin
Russian Mail Service somehow got better over the years
obvious nuance: in the rich regions
whole bear
Capitalism works only when there is competition
primal shadow
Private and public rail systems?
How many railroads are we building
who is paying ofr all the rail?
whole bear
No competition = no capitalism
primal shadow
So is it a rail system?
or just an operator on the rails
The government maintains the rails?
Socialize the costs, privatize the profits?
That's the plan?
Can we compare population density?
vocal basin
Russia has some weird hybrid where infrastructure companies are half-private
РЖД and ФПК are more like unregulated monopolies
primal shadow
NYC is twice as dense as Tokyo
is that a fair comparison?
Tokyo 6200 / sqkm, NYC is 11313
vocal basin
"in Russia, even 9th of April is considered winter"
primal shadow
And doesn't Japan have a culture of being significantly quicker to tear down an old building
vocal basin
(European Russia is currently covered in snow)
whole bear
Russia has everything to be a rich nation yet it is poor.
Same reason as early monopoly rules the country
primal shadow
whereas in the US we wait for them to crumble
sell em at a higher price each time till they fall to the ground
whole bear
Russia has everything to be a rich nation yet it is poor.
Same reason as early ...
Russia should have 20 trillion GDP at least
vocal basin
Russia has everything to be a rich nation yet it is poor.
Same reason as early ...
usual petrostate
Moscow government pretends to care so much that they end up actually making the city better for living
whole bear
Because it's used to be neck to neck to the US in 50s
primal shadow
Russia has less than half the US Population, but it's GDP should be more than half the US GDP?
Are we real?
whole bear
Russia has less than half the US Population, but it's GDP should be more than ha...
Yes
primal shadow
By what logic?
whole bear
Because Russia has far more resources
primal shadow
OTher than none
27.72
2023
**
Yes, Siberia
so why would they have more than half our GDP
what a crazy number 15-20 trillion
from the current 2
vocal basin
Siberia colonisation is an economical catastrophe
whole bear
so why would they have more than half our GDP
Population argument doesn't make sense as China has far more
primal shadow
So why should Russia have a 15-20 trillion GDP? I'm so confused
whole bear
It's about resources and total output and its very much possible
vocal basin
Siberia colonisation is an economical catastrophe
both in the imperial and socialist times
primal shadow
Not at all
vocal basin
and right now it's just slowly dying
primal shadow
10x their economy, magically?
vocal basin
no, it's not going to
primal shadow
You don't see the federation falling apart?
whole bear
Nope
primal shadow
Many thought the USSR would stand
vocal basin
nationalism/pro-independence centres are still very localised and small
people still have the generational tradition of not giving a f_ck about what happens
whole bear
Which is better?
Being a part of the nuclear state and bullying other nations ?
Or
Being an Independent nation and being bullied by a nuclear state ?
vocal basin
North Manchuria?
or whatever it's called
the piece we annexed
it's been claimed by China for decades
it's not news
whole bear
Tbh it was part of Chinese dynasty and mangolia
vocal basin
Communist China and Communist Russia did have an actual war over it
vocal basin
wanna see my new map?
whole bear
primal shadow
new map dropped
vocal basin
new map dropped
Cuba has a small piece of US too
whole bear
new map dropped
That's not the United States.
It's United America
Now tariffs are equal
primal shadow
Electric vehicles are amazing
vocal basin
earthus
whole bear
primal shadow
No you don't make the earth flat
urban abyss
who is she...
whole bear
Dripping ocean water
primal shadow
You don't do a damn thing to the earth when you pass by it
whole bear
Our sun is G2V star
It's single star
7% of star are single star in our solar system
vocal basin
@runic island another uncommon thing about the Solar System is how the gas giants are far away from the core
from what I remember reading that is considered rare
yeah, it ended up in an uncommon state
also somewhat wild how it's considered that 7th and 8th planets swapped orbits historically
primal shadow
so NASA lies
vocal basin
we had mandatory astronomy classes in high school
whole bear
Almost all planets in the solar system had some similarities
Like the material compensation
Age
vocal basin
so NASA lies
❌ lies
✅ misinterprets
whole bear
Oldest being Jupiter
primal shadow
Late 90's
Nasa hasn't updated it's sidte?
lol
BUt they took Pluto off a few years ago?
rugged root
Several years ago
vocal basin
❌ ~~lies~~
✅ misinterprets
basically it describes not the very initial state
vocal basin
so NASA lies
this describes how giants grew and ended up where they are not where their formation started
they are part of the reason why it's that way
primal shadow
this describes how giants grew and ended up where they are not where their forma...
It claims that rocky planets formed closer, and gaseous ones further
as it was forming
whole bear
Several years ago
Russia should be declared a planet it has a bigger surface area than Pluto, if Pluto is planet!
vocal basin
ah, right, yeah, this part is correct
I thought you were actually claiming NASA's description contradict what was said
what was said was that gas giants are farther away than they normally are
vocal basin
usually they form closer
vocal basin
so, yeah, it's just a non-contradiction
rocky planets formed closer than giants
giants formed closer than where they are now
vocal basin
The piece says gaseous onces wouldn't form close
can you actually read what I wrote?
closer than they are now
not closer than rocky ones
primal shadow
The materials settled outside
then planets formed
outside
not close
and moved
rocky ones formed where they are
gaseous ones formed wher ethey are
primal shadow
so NASA lies
that's what this says
The gaseous ones moved outside the rocky ones
after formation
whole bear
Rogue planets are in trillion in milky way
vocal basin
The gaseous ones moved outside the rocky ones
no one said that
primal shadow
Hahahhahahaa
Humanity surviving for the next 1000 years
We're speedrunning extinction
First all the other species, then ourselves
vocal basin
this describes how giants grew and ended up where they are not where their forma...
(okay, correction, both)
whole bear
Highly unlikely
primal shadow
vocal basin
the prevailing theory is that it's local-ish planet iirc
whole bear
As rogue planets are rogue because they can't become part of any other solar system because they need to be in the right direction with force higher than normal planet collision
vocal basin
not rogue because can't, rogue because currently isn't
whole bear
Plus in the outer solar system most planets are ice giant hence unlikely to pass the ice giant
vocal basin
the issues with them isn't really as much a collision
primal shadow
Check the link for the uber melty planets
vocal basin
from what I understand
primal shadow
Not even
vocal basin
more of a gravity issues
primal shadow
just click the link, you can see the large blobs smack each other
I think this is a big one
vocal basin
it might be a crop of another video
primal shadow
The oxygen isotopes and other elements sealed into the specimens matched those of Earth rocks too precisely for the similarities to be a coincidence
This is a fun one, the side we see vs the side that tries to protect us
gets clapped by things that would otherwise hit us
what?
it 100% matters
one side always faces us
the other side always faces away
it 100% relevant
WHAT?
WHAT!?
!
No
one side is littered with craters
the other is not
can you not see the two sides?
yes
not craters
ther far side
all craters
the "marre" or hwoever they are spelled
do not get to form and stay
or is the far side non volcanic?
100%
and only the side that looks at us is
the "near side" is protected
by facing the earth
it's REALLY hard for something to strike the near side
without striking hte earth
whereas the far side
its' gonna hit the moon before the earth
...
vocal basin
Soviets after seeing the first photo of the far side: "oh, that's kind boring-looking, idk what we expected"
primal shadow
shit hits the earth and dies in our atmosphere most times
shit hits the moon and claps the moon
shit cannot pass through the earth to hit the face of the moon that faces us
therefore, the side that faces us gets clapped a lot less
vocal basin
shit cannot pass through the earth to hit the face of the moon that faces us
I wouldn't expect that to be statistically significant
for impact count
primal shadow
so when the moon is behind us as we go through the perseid, we're not clearing a path?
vs wehn the moon leads teh charge
it revolves around us...
How are there 2 positions in a revolution"
only 2
I'd think, it can be anywhere around the orbit
so one side always faces us
vocal basin
I still think the distance between the two are too big for the "shielding" and too short for "clearing" to be noticeable
primal shadow
and one side never faces us
vocal basin
maybe we should model it
vocal basin
maybe we should model it
who here has a spare supercomputer
primal shadow
Who needs a supercomputer
just ask the Ai to vibe it out for a pi to run
🤷 back to work I go
vocal basin
"on a rpi it might as well take those millions of years, may as well just wait what happens IRL instead "
whole bear
This simulator ain't working on laptop
primal shadow
A real three body problem is when you kill 3 people and need to get rid of the bodies
vocal basin
it's chaotic but not chaotic enough
primal shadow
🌊
vocal basin
<@588068033415741525> there's a formal solution
(iirc)
it's not a breakthrough, it's reliable and predictable brute-force solution
no, all, iirc
it's just unusable
from what I understand:
you give the formula how accurate you want the result to be
it gives you back, like, please calculate this formula up to this much million terms
if you try to plug regular IEEE754 floats into that formula it will obviously just inf
yeah, the formula can tell you how many digits you need
which is, again, "millions"
(likely it's exponential)
we managed to show that this thing isn't "infinitely chaotic", only exponential or whatever
!e
x = 0.1
for _ in range(5):
x = 4 * x * (1 - x)
print(x)
:white_check_mark: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 0.
001 | 0.36000000000000004
002 | 0.9216
003 | 0.28901376000000006
004 | 0.8219392261226498
005 | 0.5854205387341974