voice-chat-text-0

[torpid bronze]

?

[wind raptor]

I'm joking

[torpid bronze]

ok

[whole bear]

Wanna play a game of chess?

[wind raptor]

Naa, I'm good. Gotta go soon.

[whole bear]

Alr gotcha

....

... ... ...?

[vocal basin]

maybe I should close a few tabs

[upper basin]

Mine sleep.

[vocal basin]

and another

and another

[whole bear]

.... .. .... ..?

[wind raptor]

Please stop. this is spammy and does not add to any conversation

[vocal basin]

or should I continue running this funny experiment

I don't get performance issues

[whole bear]

When I type with my keyboard on my laptop.
This is what happens

Now I'm on my phone

[wind raptor]

bs

I'm not buying that

[whole bear]

@upper basinHi Ace

How are you?

Is this bs?

[upper basin]

All the time or just there?

[wind raptor]

How do you think that helps prove anything

[vocal basin]

even if you end up typing dots for whatever reason, there is generally an option not to click the send button

[whole bear]

My laptop is in bad shape

[wind raptor]

show a vid of you typing with the dots appearing in their place and I'd believe it

[whole bear]

From display to keyboard to touchpad

[wind raptor]

until then, I am in complete disbelief

Also you sent the messages

if my messages looked like that, I would not send them

[whole bear]

Proving you won't fix my computer

[wind raptor]

it's ridiculous that you'd think we'd believe that

[rugged steeple]

ooooooh here

[wind raptor]

wtf

[wind raptor]

Hello 😄

[whole bear]

https://tenor.com/view/satoru-satoru-gojo-gojo-jjk-jujustu-kaisen-gif-9777483489438260197

[wind raptor]

How are you today?

[whole bear]

Now I'm on my phone, so you don't have to think about dots

[rugged steeple]

hi bro

[whole bear]

If you like you can mute me

[rugged steeple]

good, u?

[wind raptor]

The fact that you are not willing to drop the act is crazy

I don't care that much. Just calling it as I see it

[whole bear]

Dude stop

My laptop ain't working

And I can't do much about it

[wind raptor]

It's not something I'd ever mute over unless you kept spamming chat with dots

[whole bear]

Well I wasn't trying to spam

[whole bear]

I typed "what is going on?"

[whole bear]

Helo

[wind raptor]

I get that. It was probably something you thought would be funny.

[vocal basin]

you don't need to defend or explain why you were sending dots, or even apologise
told not to send dots => just stop sending dots

[wind raptor]

exactly

[whole bear]

Am I sending dots?

[wind raptor]

It really wasn't a big deal

[vocal basin]

this is irrelevant to the message you replied to

it clearly assumes you did

[whole bear]

@vocal basin could you give me 365 day mute?

My humble request to you

[vocal basin]

okay time to restart chrome I think

swap file got only 0.5GB smaller

perfectly balanced

[vocal basin]

so much unused potential

oh I found one thing that changing the GH username broke

obviously DNS-related

if something is broken, the probability of it being DNS is always high

[vocal basin]

brb

[sick onyx]

@whole bear here

[whole bear]

https://github.com/LOLIPO1233PI/sys-fixer

here is the repo

[plush ether]

@whole bear not rn

I'm muted

hold on

[vocal basin]

oi

I accidentally closed the browser lmao

be back in a minute

I switched to a different VPN

it seems to work so far

yes

@celest oyster I think it was you who mentioned that Firefox did not work with Discord+VPN but Chrome did;
without extra config it was the same for me

but

what helped:
disabling DNS Routing and Strict Route

it might be named differently in other VPN clients

@whole bear Tor, byedpi and SOCKS5 in general work great

but

not for voice

because WebRTC is UDP

and SOCKS5+UDP is non-trivial

also WebRTC is a security hole, as such Tor adding support for it is unlikely

@whole bear I think presence message can be disabled per game

somewhere in settings

in case they want to

[vocal basin]

oh, and also obviously switching from proxy to vpn mode (Chrome didn't work in proxy mode fully either)

[whole bear]

i am lucky my country doesnt have censuring

in sites like discord ...

[whole bear]

@ivory stump Yo I wanna try to keep this as minimum as possible. How are you?

[celest oyster]

it wasn't me

[torpid bronze]

calm down brother @patent hazel

[astral coral]

@vocal basin do you know anything about PCB design?

I was thinking designing a small ESP32 w BLE and Silver Chloride ribbon to make a small electric sensor where a series of these could act like EEG chips

[astral coral]

I just learnt about a thing called "spacetime db"

[teal crystal]

guys anyone works with github actions, i need your help??

[vocal basin]

what's the problem?

[teal crystal]

i having python build package for different platforms and python version and architecture
how can i have all the artifacts of a platform in single artifact file??

[vocal basin]

are you including any non python code? if yes, what language are you using

[teal crystal]

i am trying to solve Robyn's ci problem, due to this:

Failed to CreateArtifact: Received non-retryable error: Failed request: (409) Conflict: an artifact with this name already exists on the workflow run

[teal crystal]

only just python files and wheel files

[vocal basin]

yeah, then that explains the conflict

architecture is irrelevant when there's only python

and python versions are generally just a metadata thing, so for python only projects the same thing as with architecture

since there is no ABI involved

[teal crystal]

conflicts is due to having multiple jobs which are creating same artifacts with name as wheels
before v4 it was working fine,
now i researched whole day understanding things and solved the problem
but issue is having around 24 jobs which gonna create 24 files which i don't found

[vocal basin]

seems to be supporting dynamically loading Rust; moreover using their own system for that rather than stabby or abi_stable I think

[teal crystal]

in cross-linux abi is used
also every job gets stepped to use a target like arm, x86 or 64 and build for different python versions also from 3.9 to 3.12

[teal crystal]

check this out
https://github.com/sparckles/Robyn/actions/runs/13894555317

[vocal basin]

how does the resulting wheel differ across python target versions and architectures?

[vocal basin]

no

it's not just python

[teal crystal]

don't know but maybe it's using rust, so it compiles rust binary and package it as wheel package

[teal crystal]

i thought that rust binary gets bundled inside wheel package

[vocal basin]

which changes the situation completely which means at least the conflict is an actual issue and not just misuse of build matrix

[vocal basin]

well, that was the whole point of the original question

whether there is anything actually getting built

[teal crystal]

leave it, i solved the problem
of same artifact name conflict
now problem is how to bundle them all files in os/platform specific artifact file

[teal crystal]

see this screenshot, it's of version where we uses artifact-v3 and their is no issue of same name conflict in that
here you can see, we just have wheel files compiled for platform, version, architecture specific + python source code
i think these wheel files are just binaries only with rust
and python source code having definition around it

[vocal basin]

why is the artifact named just wheels

https://github.com/sparckles/Robyn/blob/f1ab513d2640a1a853a86d3a72ad255832853ee3/.github/workflows/release-CI.yml#L163

[wise cargo]

.github/workflows/release-CI.yml line 163

name: wheels```

[vocal basin]

this should include the platform and version

{{}} should work there

[teal crystal]

don't know
maybe due to having wheels only

[teal crystal]

thanks
but i solved that problem
i am testing it, it's in my fork

[vocal basin]

there's a way to rebundle them in one archive afterwards

using download-artifact iirc

if for whatever reason anyone still needs one big wheels.zip

[teal crystal]

currently it's gonna create 28 files, i am thinking of it to group them by platform+architecture

i think no one uses it directly, all wheel files gets uploaded to pypy from one big wheels.zip file

[vocal basin]

normally for a release you'd be putting those in attachments rather than artifacts, but that has a bunch of other race condition and conflict issues

[teal crystal]

i just find artifact thing only and can you clarify little bit??

[vocal basin]

I mean the actions that automatically create the release in the repository

the official one is currently unmaintained but it provides the list of maintained ones

it's also a fairly trivial action, especially if you can assume things about the environment, might as well be part of the project

[teal crystal]

in releases, it just have source code in zip file, no wheel files available there
and they have manual release after 2-4 weeks

[vocal basin]

for release builds I don't actually use GitHub; instead, another platform that supports all the same actions with extra support for ones written in Go;

my current workflow goes like this:

I run a single short command tagit tag (yes, it's proprietary, but it's trivial to reimplement) that grabs the version from the project files (supports multi-crate environments too)

it then automatically creates appropriate tags, puts the original commit datetime onto them, signs them and pushes them
(also retags major and minor versions the same way)

once the server is hit with a semver-looking tag, it starts the build process

when the build is successful, it creates the release and puts all the binaries as its attachments
(it also hides the source archive from the attachment list so it's not as distracting)

having the only two manual steps be changing the version and running one command made my life so much simpler and less stressful

[teal crystal]

are you talking about?? act?

[vocal basin]

Forgejo Actions, built on top of nektos/act

[fading parcel]

great @wind raptor

nothing

i dont have permission to speak in all voice chanel

[vocal basin]

I'm almost done with the initial feature set of the SQL thing I was working on

17.5K lines of code

in 10 days

243 commits

so one commit an hour on average

[vocal basin]

including files sized:
5.7K
4.9K
2.1K
1.6K

first deals with sqlite, second deals with postgres

because sqlite does less on its own

and splitting the code into modules doesn't make sense yet

[vocal basin]

I have not regretted having such big files even once yet

being able to just ctrl+f and/or visually see things highlighted in the scrollbar is too useful

rust-analyzer isn't struggling much either

[somber heath]

Hoy.

https://tenor.com/view/the-same-thing-we-do-every-night-take-over-the-world-mad-pissed-angry-gif-4596927

[vocal basin]

I have minimap disabled

ah

I don't use that either generally, but it's supported in Rust

I don't really like to deal with extra panes/dialogue windows/whatever

and, no, neovim isn't a solution to that because it has those too

I've only recently enabled breadcrumbs

I lived for a very long time without them

and the only reason I have them enabled is because I have settings sync between the laptop and the PC

and the laptop has a higher resolution screen

so there breadcrumbs don't annoy me by taking up space

how do I disable those in zen mode

ugh

I should've used zen mode more often when writing this

I actually forgot it existed

[somber heath]

@echo creek 👋

[echo creek]

Hello

Remove my mute 😭

[somber heath]

!voice

[wise cargo]

Voice verification

Can’t talk in voice chat? Check out #voice-verification to get access. The criteria for verifying are specified there.

[echo creek]

Oh

Thank you!

[vocal basin]

wtf
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/73484473/conditional-configuration-in-vs-code-extension

> asks a question
> invents the answer
> opens as GH issue to implement it
> posts the answer as if it works
> gets the issue closed as not planned

I've checked the timestamps

"gaslight the devs into believing it's part of the spec so that they now have to implement it"

(may be)

> posts the answer as if it works
this part is where the respect should've been lost

if you're trying to do the classic SO thing of "post a wrong answer to get corrected", then... maybe just don't use the same account

[somber heath]

Where's who?

[vocal basin]

if you try hard enough, Russian is Turkic too ¯_(ツ)_/¯

is it with umlaut nowadays?

Türkiye

/nick

like in Minecraft Discord

[somber heath]

Morn.

[vocal basin]

@quartz beacon it is actually related, there are even scientific papers on that effect afaik

!stream @quartz beacon

[wise cargo]

✅ @quartz beacon can now stream until <t:1743948441:f>.

[vocal basin]

I'm too scared of trying to copy the id anymore, the UI is broken

this button

does not work

[vocal basin]

clicking this does literal nothing in the browser

[somber heath]

Okay, boy I was wrong. Morn is Lurian.

[vocal basin]

the buttons being close isn't a problem for me currently

[somber heath]

I've not heard the term.

Yellow.

The average.

I think it's used in white.

[whole bear]

Which is better mac mini or macbook air (M4)?

[wind raptor]

depends on the use case

[whole bear]

Overall which is best?

[wind raptor]

Do you want to carry around a monitor?

I have an air m3 and it's awesome

But I needed it to be portable

I have a way better pc that I use normally

[whole bear]

So do you use it for Graphic Intensive work?

[wind raptor]

my mac is just for when I am not able to use my main pc

so it needed to be portable

[whole bear]

Your main PC is windows based?

[wind raptor]

yeah

[whole bear]

Damn, switching from windows to mac and vice verse would be hellish!

[wind raptor]

naa, it's not bad at all and keeps your skills on any type of pc up

[somber heath]

Nail remover? You mean a hammer?

The claw part.

[vocal basin]

if I'm still alive and employed by the end of the year, there's a non-zero probability I'd buy a mac book

[whole bear]

Tbh I have 500 dollar in my hand right now.
I can opt for another 500 dollar on credit card to purchase macbook air or base macbook .

What should I do?

[vocal basin]

for some reason I thought fingernails

[somber heath]

...yeah...so did I...

[vocal basin]

(do not attempt picturing that)

[somber heath]

@desert summit 👋

[vocal basin]

for the CPU and the OS

[wind raptor]

I don't tell people how to spend their money. You should research all of your options and make an educated decision based on your findings

[whole bear]

Okay

What are the worst thing about mac?

that you have experienced?

[vocal basin]

apple
(also the best thing about mac)

it's a somewhat isolated ecosystem

[wind raptor]

Whenever I upgrade/build a pc, I take a day or two to become a pseudo expert so that I can choose the best parts for what I need.

Tech changes very quickly, so research is imperitive

[vocal basin]

I just impulse buy the only sane thing available most of the time

when I bought 8700F, the store literally did not have anything better for a reasonable price

same goes for the motherboard

[whole bear]

I will not purchase windows.
It's absolute waste of money in Laptop.
I have 1200 dollar windows laptop now, I want to get rid of it!

blue screen , automated update even after changing settings, buggy UI in 120% scale, many more reason

[astral coral]

@somber heath hey man, sandwich?

[desert summit]

Hi

[whole bear]

Jut got it repaired.
Now I got buyer to sell this crap at 1/3 cost.

[wind raptor]

brb

[whole bear]

https://youtu.be/F3CYj37bxDE?si=AQaoE0guIPLKhx9h

If I choose mac mini, I can upgrade it's SSD to 1TB to 2TB at low cost.
I can't do the same in Mac book Air

[somber heath]

@warm blaze 👋

[warm blaze]

Hello

Just seeing

[quartz beacon]

!topic

.topic

[viscid lagoon]

**What artistic talents do you have?**

Suggest more topics here!

[whole bear]

?

[somber heath]

@supple torrent 👋

@indigo cloud 👋

[indigo cloud]

hey

[whole bear]

why some country are poor yet clean and some country are poor and yet disgusting?

Like I have been to Bhutan and it was clean

[teal crystal]

do you know any other cloud platform which provides github actions for free?
my github one gets exhausted and when i am using act it requires high speed internet which i don't have which is taking very much time

[whole bear]

Dude there are no shortcuts

[teal crystal]

with around 40-100% cpu usage going on

[teal crystal]

i am asking for platform

[whole bear]

Yes, I meant It won't be for free

Why would it be free forever?

[astral coral]

sorry, having a like a psychotic moment. not you guys dw.

[whole bear]

AppVeyor maybe?

You can use this platform @teal crystal

[somber heath]

What does one typically do in these situations? Cover the affected person in a blanket and give them chicken soup?

[whole bear]

https://tenor.com/view/singing-gif-26376828

@whole bear

[astral coral]

haha humor is good 😄

sorry I'm fine

[whole bear]

@whole bear What you doing?

[somber heath]

I suppose the other option is to cover them in chicken soup and feed them a blanket, but I'm not sure that would go over as well.

Constipation and bowel obstruction etc would be a thing, there, I expect.

@dim inlet 👋

@whole bear 👋

@indigo cloud 👋

[indigo cloud]

hey

[indigo cloud]

bruh are you bot?

[whole bear]

He ain't bot!

He is humbe Human being!

[teal crystal]

not free forever

[whole bear]

dude no money = no service

[whole bear]

This has some free usage

[true tree]

Hi sorry 😦

[whole bear]

But with limitation

[teal crystal]

does it provide support for cross platform job from single os??

[somber heath]

@ripe geyser 👋

[whole bear]

Don't know

check it out

[teal crystal]

when github actions again renews?

[whole bear]

for free I don't think so any platform does that

[teal crystal]

is their any software which provide that??

[whole bear]

For free no!

Maybe there could be some platform

[teal crystal]

i tried installing act but not a cross platform thing

[whole bear]

Private is paid

No chance it would be free

[somber heath]

@drowsy widget 👋

[indigo cloud]

alright where are you from?

[whole bear]

India

[indigo cloud]

same

[whole bear]

I knew

[indigo cloud]

how?

[whole bear]

As those who ask such a question are mostly Indian

As my username is quite obvious to them

But somehow they like to ask where you from, just to be sure!

[indigo cloud]

yeah still sometomes i find other counytry people with indian names

[whole bear]

and later they will hop in my DM asking me help

And I will ignore them as usual

[indigo cloud]

dont worry i am no social i have only one friend here'

[indigo cloud]

btw what language you are learning?

[whole bear]

I know several language but why do you ask?

[indigo cloud]

in genral

sorry i am dyslaxic

[whole bear]

hmm

nvm

[indigo cloud]

well its nice to meet you

[whole bear]

Yeah, same.

Incase you like to get help and be helper

@indigo cloud You can ask @teal crystal

[indigo cloud]

bro i am learner i dont ask for help nither help people

[whole bear]

Or ask here in the server

[whole bear]

hmm

[indigo cloud]

alright

[ivory flower]

cloud ? fly.io had free trial, not anymore now :\

[whole bear]

I don't think so

[wind raptor]

fly.io is free if you stay under $5

1 basic server without any upgrades is under that amount

[whole bear]

https://fly.io/
Where are the plans and pricing?

[ivory flower]

https://fly.io/docs/about/pricing/#paid-hobby-plan-and-free-trial
$5 per month probably this ?

[wind raptor]

It's pay-per-use

but free under 5

And I can confirm from actual usage

[whole bear]

So ain't free but under 5 dollar they do not bother to charge

[wind raptor]

Correct

[whole bear]

Confusing policy

[wind raptor]

Not really

[whole bear]

Hmm

[wind raptor]

> $5 = pay
< $5 = don't pay

[whole bear]

Hmm

Yeah

[whole bear]

so no hope for free user anymore!
LOL

[wind raptor]

If you only have a basic server running and a basic DB, it is under $5

If you are using it for prod, it will cost money

[teal crystal]

using ci software in pc itself for little bit advance workflow, using it itself is a problem

[whole bear]

@unique sorrel We can hear you loud and clear

[ivory flower]

those who needs completely free not happy
(not me, $5 is ok for simply learning without considering network volume)

[teal crystal]

few things doesn't work like github, literally pain using all this
not any straightforward solution, so that atleast we can test things before pushing commit directly to github

[whole bear]

If you did found a free alternative let us know!

[wind raptor]

!stream 1273628780207931463

[wise cargo]

✅ @whole bear can now stream until <t:1743953305:f>.

[teal crystal]

sure
but i not gonna waste more time on it, i think code can work fine
now i just gonna share this code, so any other contributor can test it

my testing is on github actions download & upload artifact which isn't supported in any software i think

[vocal basin]

my learning of react started with someone else's freshly-AI-generated (2023) React legacy (class components) code

oh look another opportunity to mention weird VSCode behaviour

[pseudo thunder]

• • • • /home/my/virtual/bin/python /home/my/project python3 stream.py

[vocal basin]

consider using uv

[vocal basin]

deleting activation scripts makes VSCode activate the venv by setting environment variables instead

very implicit but existent behaviour

@unique sorrel you should probably increase the voice threshold in settings

grrr

[scenic shuttle]

@whole bear what you are building...?

[vocal basin]

@whole bear @wind raptor people are already coding with their mind instead of someone else's;
it's called "not using AI and thinking for yourself"

whatever-to-text would probably not be the right approach

and text-to-whatever

likely needs a different programming model

maybe visual just not as terrible as existing visual programming

[wind raptor]

I feel like AR/VR programming has a lot of potential

Using written code + visual blocks like Unreal Engine's blueprints

[vocal basin]

I liked how Stormworks implemented it

mostly simple visual blocks

but you can always made a custom one with Lua

as such segregates code's interfaces more strictly

I don't remember if you can send (marshalled?) tables there

probably not

though

no, wait, there is a "custom data" type I think

i.e. what C-defined types are to Lua, Lua tables are that to the game

[torpid bronze]

hi @whole bear

yup

right

ok

yah I get you bro

you are right

wait what?

really?

no way bro this is true

yah I have seen them as well

but they look pretty nice to me

ahh

sad world

ohh

I am indian

and you?

nah boy I am just a begineer

whats your job bytheway?

@whole bear

student?

what do you work as?

that's cool

ohhs hit

I don't relly know what to say now

i AM DONE

https://tenor.com/view/的9-gif-27299608

I don't even have any idea about programming and stuff

and i am in my 2nd year

lol

I cheat

in exam and boom

do you have stream perms? @whole bear

ooo ohh

[vocal basin]

(just to be clear: don't ask for help with that here)

[torpid bronze]

hello @ocean pebble

[torpid bronze]

nah man I am not that stupid

https://tenor.com/view/bedrotting-sad-bedrot-sad-girl-gif-3409888363284006051

this server looks chill btw

few days ago I went to english server to improve my english And i found different creatures on those servers

[ocean pebble]

hi

I cannot unmute myself.

[torpid bronze]

you need to verify yourself

go to the voice verification

[ocean pebble]

can you help me with that ?

[torpid bronze]

yah sure

go to voice verification then click on voice verify

you will see some requirements like 50 messages and all that stuff

[ocean pebble]

I can hear you.

[torpid bronze]

you just have to complete that in order to speak in the vc's.

[ocean pebble]

It says "You have sent less than 50 messages."

hmm

got it

[torpid bronze]

yes send more messages

like tell me about yourself or you can have convo with me

[ocean pebble]

i don't think spam is allowed here.

[torpid bronze]

yes don't spam

you will get mute if you do it.

[ocean pebble]

I am from INDIA, but start learning IT related stuffs so that i can jump in DevOps department

[torpid bronze]

ufff

devops

[ocean pebble]

I did my all studies in mechanical Engineering

[torpid bronze]

ohh nice

yah right

[ocean pebble]

I am more interested in IT related stuff

[torpid bronze]

but i think the job market is not as good in mechanical engineer

[torpid bronze]

nice man

[ocean pebble]

I did job as Automitive designer for 4 years

[torpid bronze]

cool

[ocean pebble]

Automotive *

for multiple OEMs

[torpid bronze]

have you tried learning about robotics and AI or something like that

[ocean pebble]

no

Just i wanna to know from where i need to start

[torpid bronze]

it would be good i think if you can look into it because you already have mechanical engineer background

[ocean pebble]

one of my known person is having a community for software developers called C# Corner

hope you heard about this !

[torpid bronze]

I THINK YAH

I NEVER TRIED LEARNING C#

[ocean pebble]

it has content on all the technologies not specific C#

[torpid bronze]

ohh really

[ocean pebble]

is url posting allowed here

[torpid bronze]

let me find out

[torpid bronze]

if it's not promotion I think

[ocean pebble]

c-sharpcorner

you can try to search on google

[torpid bronze]

ok

[vocal basin]

if it's an invite and not in the whitelist, it'll get auto deleted

[ocean pebble]

got it

i will not post any link here

[torpid bronze]

can you please send the details in my dm's just to make sure it is correct

[ocean pebble]

sent

@torpid bronze are you from which location ?

[torpid bronze]

I am from uttrakhand

but right now delhi ncr

you? @ocean pebble

[vocal basin]

it's like a forum thing, right?

[torpid bronze]

thanks man

[vocal basin]

it's also csharp.com seems like

[torpid bronze]

no

he send me different webiste

[ocean pebble]

c-sharpcorner and csharp.com both are same

[torpid bronze]

ahh

ok

[ocean pebble]

currently they are redirecting csharp.com to c-sharpcorner

[torpid bronze]

the python tutorial looks good in this website

[ocean pebble]

also you guys can help to improve them

[vocal basin]

the company is named CSharp.com

[torpid bronze]

I think I should ask opal about that

[ocean pebble]

Company name is CSharp INC

[ocean pebble]

I am here in Noida

[torpid bronze]

too close

[ocean pebble]

hmm

[torpid bronze]

now click voice verify button

you are good to go

#voice-verification @ocean pebble

[vocal basin]

also needs to reconnect if verification succeeds

[torpid bronze]

yes

[primal shadow]

Got a jury duty summons

a day to work from a crowded room! woo hoo

[hasty thicket]

Hi sorry! 😩 🙏

[whole bear]

@whole bearYo

How are you?

[wind raptor]

!stream 772525588044709928

[wise cargo]

✅ @subtle dawn can now stream until <t:1743983627:f>.

[wind raptor]

https://science.nasa.gov/blog/how-to-retain-a-core/

https://ntrs.nasa.gov/api/citations/20150004063/downloads/20150004063.pdf

[primal shadow]

https://tenor.com/b0vQ0.gif

[somber heath]

@amber chasm 👋

[primal shadow]

https://tenor.com/FHw7.gif

[somber heath]

@frank bluff 👋

@wide shell 👋

[wind raptor]

!stream 772525588044709928

[wise cargo]

✅ @subtle dawn can now stream until <t:1743987647:f>.

[somber heath]

@primal shadow "That part doesn't move. That's what fell off."

If it doesn't move, then how did it fall off?

https://tenor.com/view/checkmate-chess-drake-chess-drake-meme-j-cole-gif-10298418990602007648

[whole bear]

Hey opal mist

[vocal basin]

I remember encountering something made of vanadium recently and I completely forgot what it was

[primal shadow]

https://www.reddit.com/r/TIHI/comments/pon1ch/thanks_i_hate_soldering_stock_photos/

[vocal basin]

last time I soldered was over 10 years ago I think

~17 years ago I remember we had somewhat customised (aka uncertified) soldering equipment

(tbf those were made by a very experienced radio/electrics engineer so they probably knew what they were doing)

@carmine tangle @subtle dawn fun fact:
all websites, which use MaxMind for geolocation, don't know correctly what city I'm in
(because I literally lied to MaxMind about where I am)

another funny thing that can happen when you try to find where a user is

[subtle dawn]

thats it for today

[somber heath]

@modest crown 👋

[woeful blaze]

Hallo

How is everyone?

[teal crystal]

what??

[somber heath]

@stone canopy 👋

[stone canopy]

Hello

[somber heath]

!voice

[wise cargo]

Voice verification

Can’t talk in voice chat? Check out #voice-verification to get access. The criteria for verifying are specified there.

[stone canopy]

Checked it out, surprised i have not typed out 50 messages

[earnest lodge]

hello

my friends

@whole bear

im here

well

how are you

good

trying to design a scratch clone for fun

https://scratch.mit.edu/projects/editor/

im making a clone of it

its not a clone

more just something with a similar ui

@olive hedge

can you unmute me?

i never got unmuted from the bot

after an hour

[somber heath]

!voice

[wise cargo]

Voice verification

Can’t talk in voice chat? Check out #voice-verification to get access. The criteria for verifying are specified there.

[olive hedge]

Ah yes, from the other day, right?

[somber heath]

A fish, a fish, a fishy oh!

[olive hedge]

http://iscaliforniaonfire.com/

[somber heath]

@hasty shore #data-science-and-ml

#career-advice

Adjust the temperature? "Is my code cooked?" "Yes."

[olive hedge]

https://github.com/marketplace?type=models

[somber heath]

👋 @plucky gate

@round matrixWe hear you.

Well, we can hear you.

@alpine moon https://www.cncf.io/phippy/phippy-goes-to-the-zoo-book/

@round matrix#career-advice

[stone canopy]

Hi

Yo

[upper basin]

!voice

[wise cargo]

Voice verification

Can’t talk in voice chat? Check out #voice-verification to get access. The criteria for verifying are specified there.

[bronze rock]

Hello, everybody 🤗

I'm Ramadan Lotfy
I'm a Java developer

[somber heath]

!voice @bronze rock 🙂

[wise cargo]

Voice verification

Can’t talk in voice chat? Check out #voice-verification to get access. The criteria for verifying are specified there.

[somber heath]

@forest pendant 👋

[forest pendant]

hello

pls can you open the voice for me please

[somber heath]

#voice-verification 🙂

@ember inlet @ashen gazelle 👋

@dawn coral 👋

@violet ibex 👋

[violet ibex]

👋

[somber heath]

@minor sentinel Also, heya.

[minor sentinel]

hello sir

[violet ibex]

@upper basin what's the topic of today's chat??

[whole bear]

Chena

Why world has an obsession with America?
Can't they understand it's white dominated country for white.

[upper basin]

Let's not get political.

[whole bear]

Tbh whenever I enter any voice chat in Python Discord.
There will be always one fella who likes to talk about America, when he ain't even american!

[upper basin]

Nibley was american.

And he was talking about food, like I was.

[whole bear]

My bad I thought he is like milien, just like her he like to talk about US

[gentle flint]

uh
what

[somber heath]

@cloud briar👋

@amber chasm Sorry, you came though indistinctly.

[amber chasm]

i just wanted you to elaborate on what a quantam compilation researcher is

I need to fix my mic

[somber heath]

https://tenor.com/view/you-might-want-to-buckle-up-dominic-toretto-vin-diesel-fast-x-get-ready-gif-2401673552153870491

[peak depot]

Still Finnish

[somber heath]

I am here.

@hoary tapir👋

[hoary tapir]

hello bro

[upper basin]

Ohh. So, my research is on the development of efficient compilers for quantum computing. Basically given some high level data (for me that's a vector or a matrix) I compile that to quantum circuits (quantum machine code).

The exact ways are too expensive (exponential), so my work is on approximate compilation which has linear scaling which is an exponential reduction compared to exact. The research part is finding ways to keep the fidelity high enough that it becomes almost indistinguishable from exact ones.

Essentially need to maintain 0.999 for most systems.

Thus far I can guarantee 0.90.

So long, long, long way to 0.999.

That's all.

[amber chasm]

so do you have an example of the exponential compilation

[upper basin]

As in the output or the name of the compilation algorithm?

[amber chasm]

yeah i guess

[upper basin]

Which one?

[amber chasm]

is your job like core programming

[upper basin]

Name or output example?

[amber chasm]

I'm not really familar with the field

[upper basin]

Yeah mainly.

[amber chasm]

Ok got it

[upper basin]

Algorithm for exact compilation is called Shende. For matrices it's called Quantum Shannon Decomposition.

Output, one sec...

[amber chasm]

What's your best process for learning new algorithms faster

[upper basin]

Left is exact, right is mine.

[amber chasm]

or is it all research

[upper basin]

Left requires 2^23 depth. Mine is 11k.

99.71 percent reduction in depth.

It's a bit blurry, but that's what I'm working on. To improve the fidelity.

[upper basin]

I don't have a special process. I just read the papers.

Sometimes that means I need to learn alot of stuff, sometimes just sth small.

[amber chasm]

ok got it

[upper basin]

But knowing linear algebra and tensor networks at a deep level immensely helps.

[amber chasm]

ok

[somber heath]

@high anvil👋

[upper basin]

All quantum computing is mathematically based on tensor networks. If you know the math really really well, you'll be able to process and learn much easier.

My work right now is using MPS/MPO representations of 1D tensor networks to compile them to circuits more efficiently.

[high anvil]

hello

[upper basin]

Hence the loss in fidelity. MPS/MPO approximate 1D tensor networks, so they introduce a bit of loss but reduce the parameter scaling.

[astral coral]

@somber heath hey man

you good?

https://youtube.com/watch?v=SZlRX03BzeA

[somber heath]

The river eddies as it will.

[astral coral]

it* be like that

I'm enjoying more somber music myself rn

https://youtube.com/watch?v=-JlU_FOtLpU

hey @vocal basin

https://youtube.com/watch?v=fjFLlX5RZn0

[somber heath]

@whole bear👋

[whole bear]

are you real?

or bot?

[somber heath]

Quite real.

[upper basin]

That's what a bot would say.

Attack the fak- I mean artificial intelligence!

[somber heath]

My intelligence, such as it may be called, is quite organic.

[upper basin]

It's following predictable tokens. Attack it!

[amber chasm]

what's up

yes its working

[magic sky]

Hello

Asalamualaikum

Good evening

@somber heath how are you doing

[rigid trellis]

Waalaikum salam

[magic sky]

@rigid trellis how's going

[rigid trellis]

What do you think?

[magic sky]

How it's going @rigid trellis
How are you @rigid trellis

[primal shadow]

Quiet morning in VC it seems

[somber heath]

@sly spade Up here.

[rigid trellis]

Ahhh
I'm fine. What about you?

[somber heath]

@bronze rock 👋

[bronze rock]

Hi,amigo\

How are you?

[somber heath]

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-fine-gif-24177057

[bronze rock]

cool

[rugged root]

On shortly

Getting coffee in my blood

[vocal basin]

unfortunate circumstances

@haughty pier configure once, fail to build everywhere

(actual unironic feature)

brb phone call

[bronze rock]

@somber heath I'm sorry I will leave.

[somber heath]

Sorry for leaving, or for another reason? Because you're quite welcome to hang around.

[bronze rock]

I'm not have permission to speak

[somber heath]

Things will be picking up soonish.

[somber heath]

!voice

[wise cargo]

Voice verification

Can’t talk in voice chat? Check out #voice-verification to get access. The criteria for verifying are specified there.

[rugged root]

Doesn't mean you still can't hang out and chat

[bronze rock]

yes, voice

[amber raptor]

When you hate containers

[somber heath]

@autumn nimbus 👋

[rugged root]

Oh that's super rough

[amber raptor]

Using MSSQL, this is going well already

[rugged root]

@whole bear Were you asking how Joi was or what were you asking?

Missed it

[whole bear]

same job as back in the day?

[rugged root]

Yep, almost 10 years

@stuck furnace Suuuup

[whole bear]

gotta dethrone the boss and take over soon

[rugged root]

Fuck that. At an accounting firm?

[soft axle]

@rugged root im doing a lot of squeal lately

[whole bear]

i mean, accounting firms are one the rise with the shortage of accountants right? meaning that companies will pay higher hourly's

[soft axle]

And i can't install postgres for the life of me

[whole bear]

so yes def haha

[rugged root]

Docker containers are your best friends there

[soft axle]

Accounting is one of the more in demand business disciplines, but they're also kinda falling off in bigger companies

[vocal basin]

not mutually exclusive

[soft axle]

Wut

[vocal basin]

nix people really want to replace Dockerfile

but NixOS can't replace the container runtime

if it tries, it will just end up making another container runtime

[rugged root]

Docker is.... think of it like a suped up venv

It's a contained OS and program setup.

[vocal basin]

windows whatever foundation

[rugged root]

So you aren't installing the programs and what not to your computer proper, but to that self contained thingy

And there's containers tailor built for particular programs or uses. There's one specifically for Postgres

[vocal basin]

"the would be windows web foundation if WWF wasn't a restricted use acronym"

[somber heath]

"I! Hate! Sauerkraut!"

[rugged root]

I would kill for my computer to suplex the operating system rather than booting it

[rugged root]

Such a good song

[vocal basin]

@near niche now it's everything not only Apple

iPhones are no longer as much of an "expensive phone" compared to others

[rugged root]

Truth

[somber heath]

Writing prompt seen on the internet: You accidentally spill a bottle of holy water on your printer. Now it works perfectly, with no paper jams, no loud noises, and the ink lasts a long time. Turns out literally all printers are possessed and yours is now the first non-evil printer ever.

[vocal basin]

the most expensive thing I bought so far is a non-Apple-made phone

[rugged root]

Yes. This checks out

[near niche]

(not mine, reposted from Insta)

[vocal basin]

another phone call happened

it took three phone calls to figure out that someone wants a JSON RPC endpoint with a single specific request;
earlier it took 2~4 phone calls to get that they want us to tell them our IP so that they can allowlist it

[somber heath]

@low moon 👋

[vocal basin]

latter because at no point they used "allowlist" or "whitelist" or anything even remotely adjacent

peak communication efficiency

[somber heath]

@austere hornet 👋

[austere hornet]

[whole bear]

Tbh felix is Oriental racially, despite being Canadian he can't get a management level role in a country with majority white.

Getting the opportunity to lead at management level is really really hard, it's like a needle in grass field

[austere hornet]

accent is necessary lmao

[whole bear]

Raymond Chun (CEO) Toronto-Dominion Bank

[whole bear]

This is true almost in all majority white country

[austere hornet]

fiverr

[vocal basin]

I've seen more upwork scams on discord than fiverr scams

[austere hornet]

Yeah, and stereotypes/other barriers

[somber heath]

@brave current 👋

@desert summit 👋

[vocal basin]

I'm unhireable either way ¯_(ツ)_/¯

or almost so

[desert summit]

Hi

[rugged root]

You're hireable in my heart

[austere hornet]

aww

[vocal basin]

getting a promotion, need to go to the office to sign stuff

[whole bear]

@rugged root

Felix, corporate experience is another aspect.

But being a freelancer is far better than being an employee in a bad company.

[vocal basin]

the what

what does it even mean for a database to be available in some human language

also I forgot what's the proper name for human language

[whole bear]

prolly like, the viz software and docs / cli?

[vocal basin]

yeah, likely

like pgadmin equivalent + help messages in cli

[whole bear]

I'm happy that felix is in China.

using a cli in Kanji sounds crazy

[vocal basin]

CLIs in Linux do localise messages, so might be that
rather than taking translated commands

[whole bear]

maybe, i dont know alot of e.g. japanese but is there a romanized version?

thats like, official

[vocal basin]

echo "..." | chatgpt "please translate to bash" | exec

[whole bear]

I do think that his father is at much better peace and proud of him at his decision!

[vocal basin]

romaji

[whole bear]

dont show people the backbone of post 2025 software we'll be exposed

[rugged root]

Hopefully he'd be proud of him regardless

[vocal basin]

awk -
tab
tab
*wait*
tab
tab
enter

[whole bear]

yeah i mean i dont think theres anything wrong in studying at a chinese uni i think this is just a matter of micro optimizing resume impressions but like, if you get a 4.0 gpa and a stacked portfolio who gives a fuck you'll get a job

[whole bear]

I mean I'm just replying to a comment by rabbit :- if the rabbit was a father he won't allow him.

[rugged root]

Fair

[whole bear]

i bet a TON of people at Google studied in chinese uni's hahaha

[rugged root]

True. Plenty of immigrants and folks who are here from China to study

We've got someone who is originally from China here at the firm

Super bright woman, too

[whole bear]

yeah i dont think trying to tell someone 4 years into their degree that you think its a mistake is a great idea @amber raptor i dont think it adds any value haha

[vocal basin]

so I can write whatever on linkedin

I currently have "Postmodern Artist" as the job title

[rugged root]

"Your New Dad"

[vocal basin]

it still amazes me what Max Fosh did just to troll his friend

[rugged root]

Oh?

[vocal basin]

friend called him grandpa
so he adopted his friend's father

[austere hornet]

He legally became his friend's new grandfather by adopting his friend's dad.

[whole bear]

Can you legally adopt people above 18 not in need of a guardian?

[austere hornet]

Legal contract was made in Germany too, very interesting :)

[whole bear]

@rugged root be my son

[austere hornet]

In Germany... apparently, yes.

[whole bear]

Tbh it doesn't matter.
But felix is racially Oriental, he will surely have much greater success on merit in China compared to Canada

[whole bear]

Doubt it, I'd bet the average person of chinese descent in Canada is more prosperous than the counterpart in China

[vocal basin]

from what I've heard getting any managerial positions in China is generally problematic

regardless of who you are

[whole bear]

Nope.
Because most Chinese are involved in the STEM field

[amber raptor]

If see Chinese University and then a ton of Canadian jobs, then you are golden, visa chances are low, they are likely a citizen

[rugged root]

Source?

[whole bear]

that's crazy, find the global purchasing power from Chinese descent stem grads in Canada vs in China, I'm sure purely because of economic reasons that the GPP is higher

[whole bear]

My opinion

[whole bear]

But yes most Chinese are involved in STEM related Job

[upper basin]

No.

[primal shadow]

and 4/3 of statistics are made up on the spot

[upper basin]

No!

One of the researchers I know studied in China, then went to US. Same thing for Iran (my friend went just a year ago).

[primal shadow]

ANyone who is not a US Citizen / Green Card holder will need a visa to work in the states

[upper basin]

Yeah and they get it.

[whole bear]

@near niche also what @amber raptor is saying is a micro optimization, pulling numbers out of my ass its like, yo go from a 90 to a 85 out of a 100, its not that its a deal breaker. Personally I don't think it's gonna matter in all practicality at all - dw about it

[upper basin]

Unless they don't want to go through the hassle of visa, it's pretty standard to get visa for workers who will have to relocate.

[amber raptor]

In United States, that's extremely difficult

Canada is cracking down as well, I saw the news articles

[upper basin]

I'm telling you, people get there all the time.

In fact the people who usually can't go or don't get to go are the poor ones.

Because they can't pass proof of funds step.

[amber raptor]

From the news we get filtered in United States, Canada is restricting visas heavily compared to even 5 years ago

[rugged root]

I mean.... saying that a statistic is your opinion negates it as being a statistic.

[whole bear]

@near niche Do what you like!

[primal shadow]

https://tenor.com/tuq5.gif

[upper basin]

They are. However, people still go.

You got money? You will get to go.

[amber raptor]

Of course, and United States is still handing out visas but we are clearly cracking down

[primal shadow]

https://tenor.com/bFvty.gif

[upper basin]

@near niche What is your major?

[near niche]

software engineering

[primal shadow]

https://tenor.com/H9AK.gif

[amber raptor]

I was told by Canadian friends they are pulling a ton and their companies have formerly gotten them approved, no longer are

[upper basin]

It's a business for these companies. They charge huge amounts of money for visa. They get a lot of workers to do their more intensive roles.

It's not a bad thing.

[vocal basin]

"let them be failed dreams)"

[upper basin]

Bad thing is when you strictly dictate it by how much cash you have.

[upper basin]

It's for the people with low cash.

My friend, Iranian, no expertise, nothing, went to Canada just last year!

[austere hornet]

Precedence - TikTok.

[upper basin]

Lots of people from China are in positions of power.

[amber raptor]

United States is extremely difficult to get a visa in. My understanding Canadian is cracking down in last 6 months, but that's just seeing occasional news article

[upper basin]

They make the wheel turn for the chinese applicants more smoothly.

[upper basin]

If. You. Don't. Have. Cash.

[austere hornet]

US are quite critical of Chinese things.

[upper basin]

100k USD liquid cash for internationals is insanely high.

[austere hornet]

Even though TikTok isn't Chinese afaik?

[upper basin]

That's multiple homes, cars, gold, etc.

[amber raptor]

Cool

[upper basin]

And then they recruit Chinese people to work for them.

[vocal basin]

[austere hornet]

Apparently China, South Korea and Japan are making moves towards an alliance but this is mainly just hearsay

[amber raptor]

Companies always want global workers because it can be cheaper, obviously the voters who get to vote dislike that

[austere hornet]

But the developer/creator/owner is Singaporean, right?

[desert summit]

Well Can I know the demand for Web designers

[upper basin]

It's a tool.

[vocal basin]

of what part?

[upper basin]

I think they mean the CEO.

CEO is Singaporean iirc from the court hearing they had.

[austere hornet]

actually idk

I'm gonna stop making baseless claims

[vocal basin]

Zhang Yiming

the founder

however

[upper basin]

He even said he served in the Singaporean military.

[vocal basin]

one of CEOs is

[austere hornet]

I'm doing what I hate most rn which is saying stuff without doing my research.

[upper basin]

They have multiple CEOs?

[vocal basin]

like the TikTok CEO specifically

[amber raptor]

Tiktok is weird. From purely National Security PoV, Tiktok is a problem for United States. Zoomer who voted for Trump are too addicted to care about NatSec concerns and moneyed class just loves the cash

[upper basin]

I thought companies have one CEO.

[vocal basin]

bytedance is multiple companies

[upper basin]

Alrighty.

[vocal basin]

what a recent company

[amber raptor]

There is ByteDance United States CEO who is from Singapore?

[austere hornet]

It's like Tencent and their whole bunch of smaller companies like supercell, etc.

[upper basin]

TikTok CEO.

[upper basin]

Yeah this guy.

[vocal basin]

this is so confusing

[upper basin]

He represented TikTok in the court hearing they had.

[vocal basin]

which might be on purpose

[amber raptor]

Oh, I didn't realize he was over entire ByteDance operation

[austere hornet]

lol

sorry for introducing this

have fun mulling it over

[austere hornet]

hwua hwua

[amber raptor]

Apparently ByteDance before current CEO had American CEO.

[austere hornet]

coin coin

apparently

[amber raptor]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_A._Mayer

[vocal basin]

like with that one crypto exchange

[austere hornet]

kwakwa

[vocal basin]

not FTX, the other

I literally don't remember

how

binance

[whole bear]

In fact, around 68% of ethnically Chinese males in Canada graduate with degrees in STEM fields.

Although detailed data on actual job roles is limited, it’s well understood that STEM careers typically offer significantly higher salaries than the national average. This is one of the main reasons why many Asian communities—such as Indian and Chinese Canadians—often have higher average incomes compared to the general population.

It’s not about superior genetics, EQ, or IQ. It largely comes down to the fact that a significant portion of these groups are concentrated in high-paying STEM professions.

When I said "My opinion," I simply meant that I personally don’t believe in the point being made, which is why I responded with "no."

I won’t be commenting on this topic further, as I understand it can be sensitive.

[vocal basin]

it exists ✨wherever✨ headquartered ✨who knows where✨

[rugged root]

Hmmm... lots of small paragraphs....

GPT?

[whole bear]

—

yep

[vocal basin]

what's EQ

[primal shadow]

I always thought it was the medical field that elevated those demographic salaries

[austere hornet]

Emotional Quotient

[rugged root]

Emotional Quotient

Damn it

[austere hornet]

Like emotional intelligence

[rugged root]

I was too slow

[vocal basin]

SQL equality operator

(no)

[austere hornet]

Uhh, being able to act in social situations, being able to know what to do when someone's in a certain situation, being able to pick up on signs, etc

and other stuff

[rugged root]

https://tenor.com/Wkic.gif

[vocal basin]

once again, no spaces around emdash are horrifying

[austere hornet]

e.g. if you've watched Young Sheldon... Missy would be considered as having a relatively high EQ while Sheldon has a relatively high IQ

apparently

[rugged root]

I think it's more being able to process things in a mature way. Not over reacting, being able to see things from another person's point of view...

Although I need to double check that

[austere hornet]

Maybe

[vocal basin]

it looks like as if you put a regular dash between words, then just drew a longer dash over it

[rugged root]

I'm doubting myself now

[austere hornet]

It's not like I have a high EQ or IQ

so you're probably right

[rugged root]

I'm lucky if I can spell either one of them

[austere hornet]

???? what are we saying in vc rn????

[rugged root]

Yeah it just clicked what was said

My brain was on auto-pilot

[austere hornet]

same

[whole bear]

I've used it to correct grammar, but I did write most of it!

[vocal basin]

"by brain is on no-pilot, neither auto nor manual"

[vocal basin]

#voice-chat-text-0 message

[rugged root]

Which means it's either stuck on the runway or in a death spiral

[austere hornet]

🪂

pilot left

[vocal basin]

then down

[rugged root]

"We can't land! We're out of fuel! We're stuck up here!"

[austere hornet]

That's (coincidentally?) a decent analogy for burnout ngl

[rugged root]

Purely coincidental

I hadn't even thought of that

OH OH OH

OH

You saying burnout reminds me, there's a great game about that called "Wanderstop"

Really really good game

Very peaceful but its overarching story is about pushing yourself to the brink and just breaking from it.

@wind raptor Yo

[austere hornet]

lol the OHs of excitement

[rugged root]

Yeah when it comes to video games I can't help myself

[amber raptor]

https://www.stilldrinking.org/programming-sucks

[austere hornet]

It certainly looks very cool

probably not the type of game for me though... loneliness from my life seeps into my gaming if I'm too alone in a game

[vocal basin]

$ cat * | chatgpt -c "please devops this"
F*ck—and I still cannot put spaces around emdashes—you.

[whole bear]

@rugged root this is an aight 0%'er

[austere hornet]

That sounds terrible

Oh hello Milien!

long time no see

[peak depot]

https://tenor.com/view/hello-bear-gif-26390359

[wind raptor]

Heyo 😄

[austere hornet]

table has better drip than me 💔

*tabletop

[gentle flint]

it's a cupboard shelf

[austere hornet]

oh

[primal shadow]

3rd?

[gentle flint]

goes on the pins above the coat hanger bar

[primal shadow]

I think the large paragraph is there for effect

really sells the shit show

the URL encouraged me to read it

❤️ that piece

[whole bear]

@rugged root @amber raptor

[primal shadow]

https://esolangs.org/wiki/Ook! What a great language

[austere hornet]

Probably learned that from online communities

[gentle flint]

before and after

[stuck furnace]

BBC news do that for some reason on their website. Always with the one-sentence paragraphs

[austere hornet]

I've been working on some history... painn... but AI should learn from this instead

[vocal basin]

replace all . except the last with ; => "short" (because single-sentenced) paragraphs

[rugged root]

I've started to use semi-colons, but I worry I'm doing it wrong