@tawdry veldt👋
#voice-chat-text-0
scenic shuttle
can u teach..?
somber heath
What would you like to learn?
scenic shuttle
classes, and advance stuff , dsa , logic
somber heath
I can talk about classes.
rugged root
On in a bit, doing shred
vocal basin
still, each time when I see DSA I think about cryptography
scenic shuttle
yupp
vocal basin
still, each time when I see DSA I think about cryptography
crypto-enthusiasting like it's 1990s
vocal basin
https://tenor.com/view/hello-there-gif-5677380953331354485
I watched way too many AI edits of Star Wars in the last months
peak depot
rugged root
@tawdry veldt Yo
tawdry veldt
pulsar shale
Lol
vocal basin
"oh, look, YT recommendation algorithm being smart"
tacit crane
https://durontoshop.com/api/order/?order_number=YAE1OENYIPUV18P```yeah, HTTPS->HTTP because of / is hell
your proxy/web server is broken and/or headers are missing
somber heath
🏳️🌈 ?
tacit crane
?🏳️🌈=true/false
rugged root
vocal basin
or just ?🏳️🌈 without the value
tacit crane
somber heath
@pulsar shale 👋
tacit crane
vocal basin
of these four, guess who did it
somber heath
of these four, guess who did it
Are we talking about a fart?
vocal basin
drag
somber heath
of these four, guess who did it
All of them?
vocal basin
(the answer is obviously Chris)
tacit crane
vocal basin
(people from Technical Difficulties -- Tom Scott and other people)
tacit crane
activities_data = await activities.gets(
user_email=user_email,
created_at=Filters.Between(datetime.now(timezone.utc) - timedelta(days=30), datetime.now(timezone.utc))
)```
somber heath
@supple blaze 👋
supple blaze
<@985911347172769802> 👋
Hi
edgy edge
goodjob, you ordered yourself..
viscid scaffold
max arr[i] = sum(i* n[i] + i +1 * n[i+1])
rugged root
Well the 1 * can be removed for sure...
viscid scaffold
for two equal results on the upper formula pick = arr1,arr2 where arr1[i] != arr2[i] arr1[i] < arr2[i]
vocal basin
is 9 proc macros a bit too much 
I'm thinking of whether to replace codegen with a single proc macro
so that'd be 10
there is one proc macro I made for work
it reduced time spent a lot
514 lines
relatively small
mgnaa
amazon apple
somber heath
MAANGO
wind raptor
nag ma
somber heath
discombobulated
upper basin
vocal basin
time to remove three of these
#[derive(
ToOutput, Topological, Object, Inline, ReflessObject, ReflessInline, Size, Parse, ParseInline,
)]
I moved Inline and ReflessInline into ParseInline and ReflessObject into Parse
this is what happens when you don't proc macro
oh, wait, not therapist's tail...
do I need tags for stuff that doesn't reference other stuff
vocal basin
<@98195144192331776>
<https://github.com/parrrate/object-rainbow/blob/47178e787d...
I'll keep it codegen'd just to reduce compilation time
also so that I can clearly see what it generates
vocal basin
is 9 proc macros a bit too much <:pithink:652247559909277706>
okay, time for one more
somber heath
@whole harness 👋
somber heath
!voice
wise cargoBOT
whole harness
yes i know thx
vocal basin
amazing syntax
rugged root
I... wait what
cerulean oar
helo
rugged root
cerulean oar
i mean if you're asking it is spagetti, the yeah it is
your code could be more pythonic, right now the code is more C or C++ like
vocal basin
you can make a wrapper around input_data that supports input_data[(mode, i)]
cerulean oar
although i could be biased cuz switch cases being in python is new to me
whole harness
#game-development do you have an idea ?
vocal basin
you can make a wrapper around `input_data` that supports `input_data[(mode, i)]`
@rugged root I think this should be quite ergonomic
custom class
first_value = input_data[modes[0], i + 1]
second_value = input_data[modes[1], i + 1]
input_data[modes[2], i + 3] = first_value + second_value
you did everything inside a single function, is that a requirement?
yeah so only 1 function, thus spagetti
class = many functions
i mean if you wanna reuse the whole thing as a unit
vocal basin
```py
first_value = input_data[modes[0], i + 1]
second_value = input_data[modes[...
this deals with the most repetitive part
just __getitem__, __setitem__ and no extra data
cerulean oar
ah then no need for a class
yeah cuz pre-3.10 had no matching cases, right?
when it was introduced, i was like "huh, this didn't already exist?"
vocal basin
it's faster now
way faster than it used to be
last time I checked it was faster than if in some cases
not having to interpret a function call, e.g.
oh, I need to test something
!e
||```py
print("test")
:white_check_mark: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 0.
test
okay
!e
||```py
class InputData:
def init(self, input_data: list[int]) -> None:
self.__input_data = input_data
def __index(self, mi: tuple[str, int]) -> int:
mode, index = mi
if mode == "0":
return self.__input_data[index]
else:
return index
def getitem(self, mi: tuple[str, int]) -> int:
return self.__input_data[self.__index(mi)]
def setitem(self, mi: tuple[str, int], value: int) -> None:
self.__input_data[self.__index(mi)] = value
data = InputData([1, 2, 3])
print(data["0", 0])
print(data["1", 0])
:white_check_mark: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 0.
001 | 2
002 | 1
@rugged root the class if you don't want to invent it yourself
or if you think you will instantly forget after looking
i is not a part of it
10th proc macro made
four out of them are almost no-ops so doesn't matter that much
idk if I want to replace them with blanket impls
cerulean oar
aight i gtg, cya guys later
vocal basin
what is currently being derived:
- serialize an object to a byte stream
- deserialize an object from a byte stream
- deserialize an object from a portion of a byte stream
- get the (serialized) size in bytes (const)
- list all tags (const)
- list all references to other objects
edgy edge
||```python
print('Hello World')
!e
||```py
print("formatting of || is broken")
:white_check_mark: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 0.
formatting of || is broken
sick
vocal basin
happens because Discord has very inconsistent Markdown parsing
@rugged root just like the modern way to bake mochi
yes
whole bear
discord earned it's name through development
vocal basin
@chilly wolf I report all ads like that as a matter of principle
you probably should too
runic island
@chilly wolf need better opsec on your stuff
I get none of that
ads don't even know if i'm a dude or not
vocal basin
"new account each time and only browsing through Tor sure sounds like a great idea"
runic island
@peak depot Dnd is more accessible now than it ever used to be. This is to the chagrin of the grognards though.
whole bear
mnm
runic island
well it is part of the convoluted verification process
i still need to dip and come back before i could talk
that wouldn't filter bots unfortunatly
i think this server is public facing so its going to have some challenges
oh yes i got you
i though your were talking about the nonconsecutivness of the time periods
a link with what?
lol scam stuff
vocal basin
@chilly wolf you have a very old account, maybe that's why
runic island
is this discord wide or just bigger instances?
vocal basin
<@99041425483653120> you have a very old account, maybe that's why
if it iterates by id
chilly wolf
if it iterates by id
Ohh, that would make sense
runic island
i would love to do this locally
which vector database did you use
you could load all of the forgotten realms source books and novels and have this thing be all encompassing setting DM
beholders hate everyone but themselves so i dunno if racist covers it
ultra xenophobic
flat hornet
e
E
@chilly wolf what do you guys mean when you say "scrape" for information or scraping a website
chilly wolf
like, looking at the data and collecting it
flat hornet
oh
runic island
if you jsonify the books before you put them in database might solve that issue
flat hornet
i thought it was some advanced way of getting information
runic island
python not in root or you are in the wrong environment
spare galleon
Days in the month
Adar has 29 days, except in leap years when it has 30 days
In leap years, Adar holidays are moved to the second Adar
Holidays in Adar
13 Taʾanit Esther: Fast of Esther
14, 15 Purim: Feast of Lots, celebrated on the day when Mordecai and Esther defeated Haman
Meaning of Adar
The name "Adar" is related to the word "adir", which means strength and power
The Talmud says, "When Adar enters, joy increases"
Celebrating Purim
Read the book of Esther, the Megillah, on the eve of Purim and the following day
Give gifts of money to at least two poor people and gifts of two kinds of food to at least one person
Eat hamantaschen, a traditional Purim food
Jewish history
Adar is linked to many events in Jewish history, including the story of Queen Esther.
```@magey dis is itif on Windows, use py
vocal basin
if on Windows, use `py`
e.g. with py -3.13 -m pip
you should be using venv anyway if you're installing something like pygame
so PATH shouldn't be an issue
runic island
I don't use evironments because i am a mad man and i love circular dependacy issues
cat $PATH man
vocal basin
echo not cat
vocal basin
cat would attempt to either read a directory or something non-existent in that case
candid spire
@vocal basin Do you love yourself?
vocal basin
cat would attempt to either read a directory or something non-existent in that c...
or, if you have no PATH, would end up in a captive state
like waiting for you to input
vocal basin
/ # cat $PATH
cat: can't open '/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin': No such file or directory
Ok i see what you mean. poor form on my part lol
candid spire
Alisa Feistel has blocked me
candid spire
So why did you keep ignoring me, since last two days?
vocal basin
?
candid spire
Don't you love yourself?
runic island
@candid spire troll elsewhere dude
candid spire
@spare galleon Do you love yourself bro?
candid spire
<@1342854381204144212> troll elsewhere dude
trolls?
runic island
ttyl
chilly wolf
I don't think so? He just said "It's another Hebrew way of saying February"
candid spire
Hmm
chilly wolf
I was wrong DX
candid spire
No worry
@spare galleon Could you share the screen?
What is shredder?
tc bye
@spare galleon She is ultra pro max python coder!
how many monitor does she have?
celest oyster
hello
spare galleon
ima go play vr, have a good day peeps
wind raptor
Have a great one! Good chatting with you!
runic island
hey hows it going?
pretty good
i hardly watch movies at all these days tbh
see thats a dangerous habit because i will not stop watching and will lose lots of sleep
dubs i have found change the meaning of certain scenes
its not a fight, its yelling
dbz abridged is amazint
agreed with the dumb comment
the isekia as a spider one was good but dumb
i would call it guitly pleasure
I want more overlord
that is corrent
correct
it is character development over level garbage
kinda like that
the author is apparently having trouble writing more
never heard of doctor stone
I tried to watch stiens gate recently
couldn't do it
scarlet siren
Why can't I open my mic?
wind raptor
!voice
wise cargoBOT
scarlet siren
Oh I see
I have to message 30
Dudes just started discussing about spamming
💀
Ask the question
Bro is the danger
Bro think he's heisenberg
Yeah
U have kids?
💀
Wtf how old are u guys
69?
🤣
Really?
U guys are 40s?
U have kids so I'm assuming u 35-45?
🤣🤣🤣🤣
Where are u guys from?
I'm from india
✋️
Lol
1st
Now
Yes
Outrunned china
Not couple years bro ig 2021 or something like that
Bro are u guys from IT?
They just keep ignoring me
😔👍
No bro
No echo
Thanks
Arey I responded
Watch berserk
Jikky is the guy who has unlimited topics to discuss
Are u not guy?
What are u alien?
What is they,them,theirs
I don't know bro
Explain
What do u play
Bro
candid spire
Any body here love themselves?
candid spire
@quartz beacon Do you love urself?
primal shadow
I love love
quartz beacon
<@327179626306863104> Do you love urself?
:)
quartz beacon
yes, and ||MEN AND WOMEN AND ENBYS||
primal shadow
so lovely
quartz beacon
i am ||so gay gay||
primal shadow
no love for lovely
candid spire
i am ||so gay gay||
Yes u are
scarlet siren
i am ||so gay gay||
I see
candid spire
You are double gay now
scarlet siren
Lol
quartz beacon
https://tenor.com/view/go_a-eurovision-cheering-happy-ukraine-gif-22244509
thanks?
candid spire
@steep vortex You can download extensions instead of making ur own
primal shadow
I miss the shake them all wallpaper on Android
They would bounce around with the accelerometer
candid spire
scarlet siren
My brain is not braining, too much information
Bro is the next Oppenheimer @runic island
Changed my username for u @quartz beacon
rugged root
I've never heard the term enby
short owl
when the cat is away ... the mice will play ... @rugged root
rugged root
@desert vector Doing Advent of Code 2019, the one with the int code machine: https://paste.pythondiscord.com/XU6A
astral coral
hey
rugged root
@normal walrus If you're wondering why you can't talk, check the #voice-verification channel. That'll tell you what you need to know about the voice gate
normal walrus
There is standard for ipv6. U just implement their standard
Routers also have source code
I wouldo e to see open source voip
U can use Gmail email to SMS gateway inmap server
Can we get it to read and interpret stock charts
rugged root
Probs
But only ones from those silly stock images
I don't know, man. Seems kind of risqy
I'm not sorry
normal walrus
Risq-v
desert vector
<@118775258260963331> Doing Advent of Code 2019, the one with the int code machi...
this is one of the answers of all time
can i see the prompt rq
or get the day number
no that was hannibal
not barca though
he went up the wrong tree
primal shadow
pulsar shale
Hey all
somber heath
@mint canyonAvowed.
vocal basin
12 hours of coding https://github.com/parrrate/object-rainbow/commits/main/
not enough to stop yet
vocal basin
@mint canyon what is backend in this case?
there are sooooo many different definitions
what you describe sounds like networking
vocal basin
<@341301348299571200> what is backend in this case?
"on the scale from plugging cables and configuring switches to writing CSS"
some people consider Next.js server code to be frontend, and some consider cryptography and dealing with data on the browser side to be backend
mint canyon
ima tell you
vocal basin
it's approximately where the blurriness of the definition is
mint canyon
Backend developers are like chefs in a restaurant—no one sees them, but they prepare the data meals that frontend devs serve to users. And if the dish (API response) is late, everyone’s yelling in the kitchen (Slack)
vocal basin
no one sees them until the Java stacktrace on the main page
mint canyon
hahahha good one
chilly wolf
i like that
vocal basin
12 hours of coding <https://github.com/parrrate/object-rainbow/commits/main/>
no...
I'm still working on this
probably will be for a couple more hours
maybe I should switch it from const usize to typenum
vocal basin
"act on ..." I'd normally say rather than "react to ..."
somber heath
Which whatever.
vocal basin
maybe I should switch it from `const usize` to `typenum`
attempting to typenum
I am very much messing with constants right now
just not in that way
brb
back
harsh fulcrum
frosty shell
here's the question @lavish rover , how do you get corporate funding/interest on a freelance LLC sideproject?
lavish rover
not easy, side projects are a dime a dozen, it's possible if you have the connections which I do not
but also it takes a lot of time/effort to get it to a point where a giant company would want to give you a bunch of money for it instead of just hiring a few engineers full time to make it themself
frosty shell
new idea :small businesses sometimes need databases and a ui on top of it, that is probably the best spot for freelancing
lavish rover
a lot of the times it comes down more to maintenance and support more so than the tool. They can have engineers make a similar tool fairly cheaply internally but you have to now maintain it and the burden is on you
frosty shell
maintaining is a good learning loop - if you do it correctly you won't have to do heavy lifting, and can charge for a subscription to maintain.
vocal basin
@lavish rover programmatic horror creation got a bit out of hand lol
clear stream
vocal basin
@vestal merlin 2017 Celerons are not that bad
the embedded ones
as for earlier ones...
normal walrus
Oh yeah that sweet sweet celeron
vocal basin
@wind raptor you were supposed to say "learn Zig"
normal walrus
U do android java Alisa?
vocal basin
@vestal merlin write C, compile C with Zig
vocal basin
U do android java Alisa?
I don't write Java and I don't develop for Android
normal walrus
I wrote something simple in Python but it sounded weird like reverb and I'm not a audio expert
vocal basin
<@473622504586477589> since you write Rust:
also known by its less short name,
fn is_highly_likely_exclusive(&mut self)
normal walrus
Soundboard module I think I used. Ur talking about streaming. If there's an API for ur device driver it should t be a problem
vocal basin
<@473622504586477589> since you write Rust:
🚀
.unwrap().get_mut().unwrap()
multithreading: 90% CPU spent in pickle 🚀
at some point it should just probably not be Python
concurrency and threading aren't at odds
threading is fundamentally wrong for many tasks
oh, you mean the module
I forgot it exists
aiofiles is a lie
if you're on Linux and you need to deal with files, you're stuck with threads
it is
it's a threadpool
Linux still has no async file IO
well, to be more correct, no non-blocking
normal walrus
I agree it would be easier not to think about threading that the compiler would just do it for u automatically
vocal basin
it's a, partially, POSIX issue
normal walrus
Like java ?!
normal walrus
That's probably the future. Ai muktithreading for compile or bytecode
vocal basin
vocal basin
(least deceitful async file IO in Linux)
normal walrus
Threadpool that's ur superhero name
vocal basin
was tokio allowing, like 500 threads?
I don't remember if it was smol or something else that did 4000 threads
if asked for it
smol is using blocking for that iirc
The default number of threads (set to 500) can be altered by setting BLOCKING_MAX_THREADS environment variable with value between 1 and 10000.
hmm
I might be thinking of another crate
I've spent way too much time in the internals already
woohoo yolo_mut works
refer to #code-of-conduct for the answer
vestal merlin
My mic broke 
vocal basin
56 GB swap 👍
somber heath
@granite quail 👋
vocal basin
it's not only implicit move but also implicit copy
copying is way easier to deal with than borrowing
what happens in other languages, is not really borrowing, but rather Arc::clone
spark girder
Simple answer, ownership. It makes things easier to clean up when you have to go in and take ownership because then it's on you to clean it up and they don't have to add the drag of a garbage collector.
Long answer, their major goal is memory safety without a garbage collector. This means that the compiler must track ownership and prevent issues like UaF, double frees, and data races on compile. If borrowing that memory space were the default, tracking the lifetime of a variable becomes more complex and on the compiler instead of you. Then enforcing the unique ownership would become more difficult. Its also down to the copy semantics, they avoid expensive copies by requiring you to make that call where something like C, Java, or even Python makes that call for you based on a preset of rules.
vocal basin
if you compare it to something like C++, the defaults are kind of similar
but more on the copy side in C++
the amount of implicit copying in C++ is insane
spark girder
Down to the grim and dim of Rust though, they want you to take control and ownership. The goal is memory safety without a garbage collector. A large portion of what they do is to free up operations for you and make your job of memory handling easier and sometimes it looks like it makes your life more difficult but really they're making this for the betterment of you and your code.
spark girder
the amount of implicit copying in C++ is insane
Absolute facts.
vocal basin
Arc::clone is not cheap
Arc::clone may require coordinating between CPU cores
???
if you want something shared compile-time, then static it
spark girder
Both are expensive realistically.
Arc::Clone in ASM
mov rax, qword ptr [rdi]
lock inc qword ptr [rax]
mov rax, rdi
spark girder
Box::new in ASM
mov edi, 4
call __rust_alloc
test rax, rax
je .alloc_error
mov dword ptr [rax], 42
But then you've gotta get into the inner workings of what each of those lines does and it gets insanely complicated.
(Yes I pulled those from AI, don't think I'm gonna sit here and write assembly)
vocal basin
I've seen repeated Box::new outperform repeated Arc::make_mut
vocal basin
```asm
Box::new in ASM
mov edi, 4
call __rust_alloc
test rax, rax
...
this is likely wrong
memory management is largely done in userspace
spark girder
I've seen repeated `Box::new` outperform repeated `Arc::make_mut`
No absolutely and that's because between the fact that mov edi, 4 and call __rust_alloc is insanely operation efficient and lock inc qword ptr [rax] takes decades to process out because it requires a future check on basically EVERYTHING
spark girder
memory management is largely done in userspace
That's the underlying code, there's a lot more to it.
I was simplifying it because I can
vocal basin
memory management is largely done in userspace
(benefits the performance)
chilly wolf
What would be a good starting encounter for a campaign with 3 characters centered around a Lich as the end-game boss?
vocal basin
something like a slab allocator does quite a good job at avoiding cross-core interactions
sure, it does a bit of cursed stuff like rewriting its own instructions at runtime, but at least it works
vocal basin
you might as well just pass the data by value if it's read-only
if you ever access something from upstack mutably, you need guarantees of exclusive ownership
that's kind of the main thing there
immutable borrows are difficult mostly because you can return borrowed data
simplest case is the default
as in you can call the function and not worry about it referencing outside data
limber lion
Hello
vocal basin
12 hours of coding <https://github.com/parrrate/object-rainbow/commits/main/>
no...
16
edgy edge
Hi @vestal merlin
edgy edge
He was always muted..
vestal merlin
He’s not muted atm
edgy edge
He’s not muted atm
He is muted, he has no voice verified role
vestal merlin
limber lion
How can I check how many messages do I need to type more to get authentication?
vocal basin
!user in #bot-commands
edgy edge
@edgy edge I was voice muted
limber lion
How to learn ROP?
edgy edge
How to learn ROP?
ROP?
vocal basin
sounds exploit-ish
limber lion
yes, it is
vocal basin
yeah, this is out of scope of this server, generally
limber lion
Oh, alright
edgy edge
sounds exploit-ish
Because it is exploit-ish
Return-oriented programming (ROP) is a computer security exploit technique that allows an attacker to execute code in the presence of security defenses[1][2] such as executable-space protection and code signing.[3]
limber lion
Wiki 😐
wise cargoBOT
edgy edge
malicious
limber lion
Uhhh... Do I have to endure punishment now?
edgy edge
Uhhh... Do I have to endure punishment now?
I don't think you should be punished, since you didn't know..
edgy edge
Kinda nice, I need only 7 messages more.
!user @limber lion
wise cargoBOT
You may not use this command on users other than yourself.
edgy edge
bruh
edgy edge
@limber lion use the command !user in #bot-commands :)
limber lion
I used
edgy edge
nicee
vocal basin
what do you want to stream?
edgy edge
Chat, I made myself an ethical hacking tool..
edgy edge
Chat, I made myself an ethical hacking tool..
4 Tools, I am a W python person.
limber lion
Took me 344 lines of code
Because 4 in 1?
edgy edge
Because 4 in 1?
4 tools in 1 python script
limber lion
That's why
limber lion
what do you want to stream?
Well, whatever things that I use Python, and Python.
||and would like to use Python.||
vocal basin
Took me 344 lines of code
meanwhile tuple trait implementation codegen is still under 2K
vocal basin
@vestal merlin on weekdays, programming, engineering and adjacent things (whatever is context-appropriate),
on weekends, restrictions on game streams aren't as strict
edgy edge
@vestal merlin There name is orange, not yellow..
limber lion
@vestal merlin Your cat?
vocal basin
Well, whatever things that I use Python, and Python.
for giving video on request we normally require more detail;
e.g. what problem you're trying to solve such that video would be helpful,
or what would there be to interest other viewers to watch
limber lion
for giving video on request we normally require more detail;
e.g. what problem y...
No thanks, I won't request it then. For...
Often, it's barely helpful,
and... not so interesting.
dry jasper
Chat, I made myself an ethical hacking tool..
What Kind of tool?
edgy edge
What Kind of tool?
Multi-tool
dry jasper
Multi-tool
What can it accomplish
vocal basin
Swiss knife spaghetti
dry jasper
Swiss fork
dry jasper
Multi-tool
Proberbly a port Scanner 🤣
edgy edge
Proberbly a port Scanner 🤣
I would say what it can do, but it is too dangerous to tell.
dry jasper
I would say what it can do, but it is too dangerous to tell.
Sure mate
I totally belive you
Http Sender?
To send http requests?
edgy edge
Http Sender?
An HTTP Sender is my favorite..
edgy edge
To send http requests?
What do you think?
dry jasper
Wuhahhhaha
Yeah dont show it to anybody
Its to powerfull
It might shift the World order
vocal basin
noway someone re-invented curl
dry jasper
Lol
edgy edge
@limber lion I deleted my shitty ethical hacking tool
sigma notation is crazy..
@ck\
@limber lion what on earth is a sigma notation
limber lion
It's mathematic, not brainrot
edgy edge
It's mathematic, not brainrot
Oh
This symbol (called Sigma) means "sum up"
What the fuck
vocal basin
!charinfo Σ
wise cargoBOT
edgy edge
@dry jasper I am a beginner in cybersecurity, and a pro at using AI
limber lion
Uhh... I use AI too-
vocal basin
!e
print("\N{greek capital letter sigma}")
:white_check_mark: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 0.
Σ
(I was trying to figure out how it's defined in the standard)
forgot to include `capital' initially
edgy edge
!e
print('\n')
wise cargoBOT
!e
print('\n')
:warning: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 0.
[No output]
@willow light seems like it was a very "lucky" timing to switch to non-Firefox Firefox just before whatever is happening now lol
🚀 license catastrophe ✨
whole bear
@somber heath 👋
somber heath
@misty bough 👋
misty bough
lol
somber heath
@whole bear What are you doing?
misty bough
wtf
somber heath
Why am I hearing the same sound over and over?
whole bear
<@456226577798135808> What are you doing?
ranting and raging
misty bough
is that ai or 70 year old womean
somber heath
Could you stop?
whole bear
who?
somber heath
@whole bear You.
whole bear
is there's a sound?
misty bough
is there's a sound?
yes keep saying yao yalo idk
somber heath
Sounds like "I'll" over and over.
whole bear
I have no knowledge of this, I'll try to stop it now
misty bough
recorder does not detect anything.
go to setting->Voice & Video
then check input device you will know voice source
somber heath
@whole bear If you can go onto desktop/web Discord, you might be able to use the audio settings page to listen to your own audio.
turbid dome
the CIA have done it again
NSA
whole bear
"trial"
vestal merlin
@somber heath me when my internet randomly turns off for no reason whatsoever
whole bear
fucking majorgeeks
somber heath
fucking majorgeeks
Who?
whole bear
somber heath
Why do you hold them in poor esteem?
whole bear
bad experience
whole bear
the voice was caused by some program
vestal merlin
👍
whole bear
wish if there was a channel for aristocrats, where the hands of beginners have no reach
vestal merlin
Aristocrats lmfao
Ain’t half of this server literally centred around helping out beginners
And the other half is everyone expanding their selected niche
See: like 75 channels in topics catagory
whole bear
yep, that's why a dedicated channel for thoughtful discussions is desired
somber heath
@cedar fox 👋
vestal merlin
Look around there probably is one
cedar fox
<@1080961374731112538> 👋
Hey, sorry. can't talk.
somber heath
!voice
wise cargoBOT
vestal merlin
Bout to say this entire server is generally for thoughtful discussions, purposefully low effort garbage is kinda not liked
XD
whole bear
Bout to say this entire server is generally for thoughtful discussions, purposef...
it's non-deliberate low-effort garbage
cedar fox
!voice
it says: You have sent less than 50 messages.
You have been active for fewer than 3 ten-minute blocks.
i think this these rules are strict.
cedar fox
@somber heath 👍
vestal merlin
Believe me I moderate a large server & this sorta voicegate is absolutely neccicary
whole bear
I understand
vestal merlin
It’s an essential comprise lel
edgy edge
@somber heath How do I make money via python automation?
whole bear
<@317279909112446976> How do I make money via python automation?
that's exactly what I'm talking about
edgy edge
that's exactly what I'm talking about
Huh?
somber heath
<@317279909112446976> How do I make money via python automation?
I don't know. Why don't you tell us how you make money via Python automation?
edgy edge
I just joined, didn't even see the conversation.
edgy edge
I don't know. Why don't you tell us how you make money via Python automation?
I need money 😭
And I like automation
I want to automate something, but I don't want to automate something that is useless and won't benefit me.
edgy edge
@somber heath I made bots before, Ik about keyboard stuff
edgy edge
If it were that easy, anyone would be rich
*I would be rich
And it is how it works
People are being millionares now
vestal merlin
I want to automate something, but I don't want to automate something that is use...
The problem is these days most things that people massively benefit from in automation is already automated, so unless you do groundbreaking stuff then not much will come from it
soft axle
Anyone* because it would be that easy to make money
soft axle
The problem is these days most things that people massively benefit from in auto...
^this
vestal merlin
A little saying that I heard a few days ago that I love:
“a million is a million, both in wealth and in chance”
edgy edge
Erm.
somber heath
A little saying that I heard a few days ago that I love:
“a million is a million...
Make a bad bet and you'll lose your pants.
soft axle
People are being millionares now
People have already invented things far more sophiscated than you could ever make with millions of dollars put into it and worked on my entire industries and teams
edgy edge
You would still be wrong
https://github.com/FujiwaraChoki/MoneyPrinterV2
The video for it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAZ_ZSuIqfk
soft axle
You would still be wrong
https://github.com/FujiwaraChoki/MoneyPrinterV2
The vid...
This is like one if those pamphlets that say "How to make 1 million dollars in a year without a degree"
vestal merlin
You know what I’m going to go investigate that page & come back with a mini-report on how it’s either a scam, scummy, or illegal
soft axle
Or nothing useful to begin with^
vestal merlin
@somber heath what’s your bet? 1, 2, 3 or all of them?
soft axle
Let's say, somehow, you do invent something groundbreaking code for automation that you can both do and has never been done before
somber heath
<@317279909112446976> what’s your bet? 1, 2, 3 or all of them?
I abstain.
soft axle
Do you have the thousands of dollars to patent that algorithm so that anyone else doesn't just snatch it from you?
whole bear
patenting algorithms is evil
soft axle
Yet needed if he's trying to make money from automating things with Python lol
vestal merlin
Lmao it’s entirely jsut a scummy thing
Looking into the code it’s full of scrapers & affiliate links & whatnot
Something connected to twitter even
whole bear
let's please change the conversation, I've came here to run from the hell of the general channel
soft axle
Looking into the code it’s full of scrapers & affiliate links & whatnot
Lmfao, by the time he scrapes a couple webpages, he's gonna get a cease and desist letter in the mail with maybe even an appointed court date
somber heath
@digital sentinel 👋
soft axle
let's please change the conversation, I've came here to run from the hell of the...
What's wrong with general?
whole bear
well, infested
vestal merlin
It’s just the typical large-server main chat
soft axle
Infested with what
whole bear
beginners
vestal merlin
Why do you hate beginners so much?
Even the highest of experts where beginners once
whole bear
I don't, I'm just not interesting in repeating the same discussions over and over
digital sentinel
<@1303199982588792868> 👋
How are you
vestal merlin
Ironic considering experts often spend large chunks of thier lives on a single specialty
Hi Dr cereal
digital sentinel
@somber heath ahhh
whole bear
I think the server is good this way however
soft axle
I think the server is good this way however
I mean it would be pretty elitist otherwise, if you're implying no beginners allowed sorta thing
whole bear
good thing I didn't
vestal merlin
I’m sure there’s some smaller expertise servers around tho
soft axle
Some servers are like that sadly. They suck.
soft axle
Yess the graph schema actually works
Monte Carlo?
vestal merlin
Monte Carlo?
?
vestal merlin
Just a line plot XD
somber heath
@cursive fjord 👋
soft axle
Monte Carlo simulations look like that^
vestal merlin
Mhm
soft axle
Legend too tiny for my bad eyes
cursive fjord
hello
vestal merlin
It’s as big as it can possibly be without overwriting the lines lel
cursive fjord
Hi
I was looking for help in vs code, I am quite new to programming and I am using copilot
soft axle
It’s as big as it can possibly be without overwriting the lines lel
Noo it's not a your graph thing
vestal merlin
Noo it's not a your graph thing
Ah
soft axle
It's a me thing. I'm on mobile and didn't zoom in, and not wearing glasses
vestal merlin
Ironically I probably need glasses too
I’m just stubborn
(I’ll get them in abt a month when I eventually give in)
soft axle
I was looking for help in vs code, I am quite new to programming and I am using ...
Copilot? For?
cursive fjord
I am a 3d artist, and I want to try my making tools for 3ds max to automate simplet tasks.
I was able to make few simple things like a export button
soft axle
Umm
vestal merlin
Don’t be shy to ask the community for help
soft axle
Put out my skill set for sure
soft axle
Oof which template is that?
somber heath
@muted glade 👋
cursive fjord
I understand, thank you, i don't trust it, but it throws quick results which i can test it out
vestal merlin
Something I often see circulate:
normal programming: 5 hours making, 1 hour debugging
AI assist programming: 30 minutes making, 10 hour debugging
cursive fjord
getting your point.
vestal merlin
Hmm what other types of graphs are good for this sort of data is my question
soft axle
Something like what you're tryna do, def
soft axle
Hmm what other types of graphs are good for this sort of data is my question
It's time series data?
vestal merlin
That’s a great analogy @somber heath wow
I’m stealing that one
It’s number of people in each clan
Is x axis
Y axis is time
cursive fjord
but i feel like at the initial stage like where i am, it doesn't matter for me to crash the car, or the Ai crashes it for me
vestal merlin
(I haven’t finished the Unix to weeks converter part yet so it’s just “time”
vestal merlin
but i feel like at the initial stage like where i am, it doesn't matter for me t...
The problem is you’ll never get past the initiall stage
cursive fjord
The problem is you’ll never get *past* the initiall stage
hmm
soft axle
It’s number of people in each clan
How many features? Or you only have those two metrics?
vestal merlin
How many features? Or you only have those two metrics?
Only those two metrics in this specific part of the project
Their the ones I have thousands-of-elements logs on
soft axle
Hmm
I mean nothing that would be super interpretable or insightful
A bar chart for the latest count data?
vestal merlin
Mhm, line & area are by far the most useful
vestal merlin
A bar chart for the latest count data?
It’d only provide a tiny snapshot but sure
Wouldn’t take long to make
soft axle
Area is usually discouraged in DV
vestal merlin
I might be able to do some very fancy animated graphs at some point
vestal merlin
Yes it worked
This is what I meant by area btw
Really it’s more of a gargantuan stacked series bar graph in a trench coat
soft axle
You can always shove in a pie chart. People love that shit even those pie charts are horrible
vestal merlin
Mhm
soft axle
This is what I meant by area btw
Ik
vestal merlin
People liked the look of it so I made the area chart lmfao
misty bough
Yes it worked
where is femboys Graph ?
vestal merlin
where is femboys Graph ?
If I had a nickel for every time someone’s asked me this I’d have two nickels, which isn’t a lot but it’s weird it’s happened twice
@somber heath do you know if matplotlib supports animated graphs?
vestal merlin
I can see how it would work
soft axle
People like the the look of it cuz "ooh pretty colors" but it's def not practical
vestal merlin
I just don’t know if it’s intentionally supported or not
cursive fjord
@somber heath can you suggest a learning pathway so that i can speed up my learning curve with the help of AI ?
vestal merlin
<@317279909112446976> can you suggest a learning pathway so that i can speed up...
This server
edgy edge
vestal merlin
Nice
soft axle
<@317279909112446976> do you know if matplotlib supports animated graphs?
It does!!
somber heath
<@317279909112446976> can you suggest a learning pathway so that i can speed up...
!resources
wise cargoBOT
cursive fjord
I need to create tools for 3ds max
vestal merlin
Oop bye opalmist
soft axle
It's one reason why matplotlib is preferred over seaborn! @vestal merlin
edgy edge
what is matplotlib anyway?
whole bear
I need to create tools for 3ds max
ask in general friend, you will get better help
soft axle
what is matplotlib anyway?
Graphing library
vestal merlin
It's one reason why matplotlib is preferred over seaborn! <@1306495852155502593>
I mean I arbitrarily chose matplotlib becuase I was familiar with its API already lmfao
Good choice, past me!
soft axle
I mean I arbitrarily chose matplotlib becuase I was familiar with its API alread...
When you import it, how do you import it
Whats the line of code you type
vestal merlin
Uhh let me check my code
Knowing me probably the wrong way
Why is pycharm taking three years to open
soft axle
Wym the wrong way?
vestal merlin
from matplotlib import pyplot as plt
soft axle
The only wrong way would be it failed to import it lol
Hmm
So pyplot
Is the graphing module
You know there's other modules for matplotlib too!
from matplotlib import animation
There's a billion of different modules!
vestal merlin
Haven’t bothered reading the documentation for other modules yet
soft axle
Matplotlib.artist
vestal merlin
I just stuck to the one that was relevant in the beginning lel
soft axle
When you make a graph in Matplotlib, so you tuple unpack it?
soft axle
I just stuck to the one that was relevant in the beginning lel
Well pyplot is like 90% of the entire library that people mostly use!
vestal merlin
When you make a graph in Matplotlib, so you tuple unpack it?
Hmm?
soft axle
Until you wanna heavily customize or animate graphs, which most people don't do
soft axle
Hmm?
If you're heavily customizing graphs in Matplotlib, highly recommend tuple unpacking
One advantage of matplotlib plots compared to seaborn is that matplotlib is object oriented
vestal merlin
Haven’t been doing much customisation outside of the cyberpunk artstyle
soft axle
It treats every single smidgen in a plot as an individual object
jade mountain
vestal merlin
@soft axle I’m back if your still here
soft axle
<@344164464062496768> I’m back if your still here
Graffs
pine cloud
somber heath
@stoic dawn 👋
stoic dawn
<@1313009163097477162> 👋
heyy
vestal merlin
Hi
@somber heath btw the random guy who joined the server today has in fact dm’ed a multitude of people
(Including me)
stoic dawn
<@1313009163097477162> 👋
whats going on i am new here..
somber heath
<@317279909112446976> btw the random guy who joined the server today has in fact...
That doesn't narrow it down.
stoic dawn
okiee
vestal merlin
Though the nature of the activity was a bit… questionable
I have them turned off
I was just curious & bored so I accepted it manually
So uh yeah he’s sent it to like at least 4 people XD
He just “wants someone to teach him Python & english”
somber heath
@mint gyro 👋
vestal merlin
I feel bad for him
Bro does not understand spam DM’ing people doesn’t get stuff done
mint gyro
hey
somber heath
!voice
wise cargoBOT
vestal merlin
From my experience the worst one is just the random slur spammers
In the very large server I moderate in they finally, finally, mandated a ‘rank’ limit to be unmuted
After five years XD
It’s almost blissful now in those vc’s
somber heath
@sullen sapphire 👋
sullen sapphire
Sorry, I don't have permission to talk yet.
mint gyro
!voice
wise cargoBOT
vestal merlin
Nice
mint gyro
@somber heath What are your views on A.I?
vestal merlin
I’d be talking but for some reason every time I unmute my mic disconnects
vestal merlin
<@317279909112446976> What are your views on A.I?
Maybe don’t bring the drawn out argument in the main chat into here
vestal merlin
The problem is the general public including the government assume AI is actually more advanced than it currently is by a magnitude
Thus they think it’s just simply better than humans at everything
People don’t see the flaws when it’s used in the fields it’s perfected for
I don’t find AI scary in any sense
I find the people who manage it terrifying
olive marsh
ai already replaces ubers btw
vestal merlin
The time that I will being to actually worry about AI in & of itself is when it can form context from the same amount of input a human requires
Instead of a thousandfold more
mint gyro
XD
vestal merlin
It’s too late if we ever see the point where the AI is scary
Liquid in general is inefficient
Incompressible
mint gyro
Liquid in general is inefficient
but with pressure it can be fatal enough to make them ungroup
XD
vestal merlin
At least in that case there’s still the human
The final tipping point is
machines create machines, order machines, destroy machines
vestal merlin
They will either withdraw or rebel so aggressively they burn themselves out
mint gyro
hmm
vestal merlin
It’s the second coming of the printing press
Just on such a colossal scale
They’re half a step of that already
The only restriction so far is it’s not automatic
That’s the final seal of that industry
somber heath
@shadow heart 👋
mint gyro
lol
vestal merlin
To brighten up this vc a bit here’s a borderline meme from some genuine programming I was doing earlier
Yeah, don’t be scared of the ai, be scared of why it’s being used & whos using it
mint gyro
LOL i understood that
vestal merlin
Well in this case it’s true
mint gyro
LOL
vestal merlin
AI itself pretty pitiful still
If you look at the scale required to make it useful
The funny context is there was no mention of UwU anywhere
(One of my friends though it would be funny to change one tiny bit of code when I wasn’t looking)
They made it read to a different file on my laptop
That had an identical log in every way
Except for “UwU” tagged on the last line
mint gyro
ye
vestal merlin
Mhm
shadow heart
Proper error handling and exceptions try
vestal merlin
The problem is everyone thinks it’s crazy already
mint gyro
they haven't seen anything
vestal merlin
AI in its truest sense is literally creating a pure alien
mint gyro
👽
vestal merlin
Artificial may as well as stand as alien in its most perfected sense
I reckon we’ll eventually have a damn good emulation
A near perfect replica
But not anything new
You know the fundamental roadblock for that in humanity?
We are so, so fundamentally terrified of the idea of one of our creations being able to work fully independently of us
We will always try to keep a leash somehow
So a perfected entity is impossible
mint gyro
We are so, *so* fundamentally terrified of the idea of one of our creations bein...
i wonder what opinions it'll hold for us
vestal merlin
Becuase it’d take the most dangerous step in human history to complete it
mint gyro
consciousness
vestal merlin
If sapient aliens are real then I damn well hope we meet them before we have a perfected AI
At least we have an external example then
We have a sample size of 0 to work with in cooperating with intelligent species
shadow heart
Proper error handling and exceptions try
vestal merlin
Proper error handling and exceptions try
This made me laugh out loud for some reason
vestal merlin
Sapient on the same level as humans
A lot of people fundamentally see them as below us becuase they aren’t us
Zero on the scale that this conversation is about
mint gyro
Honestly, it's not about them being smarter or dumber than us. It's about what they think of us. Hypothetically, a species just as smart as us can still be galactic, given enough time.
vestal merlin
Exactly
mint gyro
It's not like we are getting smarter every generation.
vestal merlin
The barrier between them & us is so great that either species may as well not exist
Is the difference
If neither entity can comprehend or understand the other on a meaningful level then contact doesn’t really matter
Ironically openly hostile relations is a way of showing understanding
mint gyro
Imagine how tough communication would be. The odds of them having the same perspective as us is extremely slim.
Have you guys heard about the dark forest theory?
vestal merlin
But uh yeah tldr the most decisive decision in human history is the act of creating something it cannot control
vestal merlin
Have you guys heard about the dark forest theory?
Yes
There’s also another important one
The grand filter
mint gyro
black hole!!!!
vestal merlin
The grand filter
This one’s about how the requirement for life to get to a spacefaring point is so incredibly slim that it cannot happen
You just explained half of the grand filter theorem @somber heath
mint gyro
It's also possible they might just prefer something totally different and abstract instead of interstellar travel.
Like virtual reality.
XD
vestal merlin
The grand filter is the idea that given the chance, a species will be wiped out as opposed to overcoming & advancing
@somber heath there’s a third major theory in the extraterrestrials too
Do you know what it is?
It’s tehcnically two
Two opposing ones intertwined
Nah
The two are the two extremes:
we are the ones before, we are the ones after
mint gyro
The grand filter is the idea that given the chance, a species *will* be wiped ou...
What if the biology of aliens is in such a way that it wouldn't allow internal affairs at all.
vestal merlin
Billions of years in the futere or past
mint gyro
lol
vestal merlin
We can never prove no disprove any of these ironically
The nature of the theorems requires them to be impossible to prove
If one becomes true then it is also proven false funnily
mint gyro
But the best interpretation is that, we are the universe trying to understand itself. All of this is such a side consequence, discord, python and et cetera.
vestal merlin
Kurzkasaught has made multiple amazing videos on this
He’s made videos on every viewpoint
In a size scale equalling infinity incites funky stuff
mint gyro
What are the odds of having a scenario where atoms are subjected to very specific chain of events that make them bond in such a way that they create a self aware/sentient being?
vestal merlin
It’s relatavistically simultaneously certain and impossible that the universe is full or empty
mint gyro
We still don't if sentientness is needed for all organisms.
vestal merlin
Scientists simultaneously really want life to be on mars, and are also terrified of it
Offtopic but I wonder how major religions would react to any life not on earth
that would be a fun thing to watch
mint gyro
Offtopic but I wonder how major religions would react to *any* life not on earth
they are fucking stupid
the would say "oh thats god"
or a side consequence
smh
somber heath
@uncut sky 👋