voice-chat-text-0

[vocal basin]

there is ffmpeg.exe in bin directory inside of the archive

[vocal basin]

yes, that

[twilit falcon]

where i put it'

[vocal basin]

you need to move it somewhere your program can see it

[twilit falcon]

hm ok

[vocal basin]

or just extract it

and then provide the full path instead of just ffmpeg

for example, this

args = [r"D:\ffmpeg\ffmpeg.exe", "-i", ...]
#       ^ this r is important

[twilit falcon]

i put the exe in the lib

so ill see if this works

this is so dumb i cant talk

or screen share

[vocal basin]

those restrictions are there for reasons, mostly to avoid trolls;
it's lesser of two evils

[somber heath]

!voice 👇

[wise cargo]

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[twilit falcon]

same errir

[vocal basin]

then change the path to whatever correct path is

[twilit falcon]

im not sure how to change path tbh

[vocal basin]

find where "ffmpeg"/'ffmpeg' is mentioned in source code

hopefully it's only one place

you can also mess with PATH variable, but that might have unexpected consequences

[twilit falcon]

is there a shortcut to search for shit

[vocal basin]

ctrl+shift+f

"find in files"

[somber heath]

@remote badger 👋

[remote badger]

hi

[somber heath]

@old cedar 👋

[twilit falcon]

f'ffmpeg -i "{path}" -b:v {bitrate}M -vf eq=brightness={brightness} -vf eq=contrast={contrast} -af "atempo={tempo}" "{temp_filename}.mp4"',

so path i just go to where exe is and control c the path

[old cedar]

Hi

[twilit falcon]

C:\Users\Jackie\Desktop\ffmpeg-master-latest-win64-gpl\bin

like that

[vocal basin]

ffmpeg = r"C:\path\to\ffmpeg"
f'{ffmpeg} -i "{path}" -b:v {bitrate}M -vf eq=brightness={brightness} -vf eq=contrast={contrast} -af "atempo={tempo}" "{temp_filename}.mp4"'

also this very wrong usage of f-strings

is the string later used in os.system?

[twilit falcon]

dont think so

[somber heath]

fffmpeg

[vocal basin]

ffmpeg = r"C:\Users\Jackie\Desktop\ffmpeg-master-latest-win64-gpl\bin\ffmpeg.exe"

[vocal basin]

os.system is bad for this, use subprocess instead
using f-strings is bad for this, use lists of arguments, which subprocess will often force you to do

*subprocess or asyncio.subprocess

[vocal basin]

or, if you don't want to introduce more variables,

fr'C:\Users\Jackie\Desktop\ffmpeg-master-latest-win64-gpl\bin\ffmpeg.exe -i "{path}" -b:v {bitrate}M -vf eq=brightness={brightness} -vf eq=contrast={contrast} -af "atempo={tempo}" "{temp_filename}.mp4"'

it's a for real string

@uneven canyon elif?

if a:
    ...
else:
    if b:
        ...

if a:
    ...
elif b:
    ...

to reduce nesting

since in Python you can't do else if on one line

[vocal basin]

as a list, would look something like this

[
    ffmpeg_path,
    "-i", path,
    "-b:v", f"{bitrate}M",
    "-vf", f"eq=brightness={brightness},contrast={contrast}",
    "-av", f"atempo={tempo}",
    f"{temp_filename}.mp4",
]

I don't remember how , works in vf, so the order might be flipped

[uneven canyon]

import random

def getAnswer(answerNumber):
    if answerNumber == 1:
           return 'It is certain'
       elif answerNumber == 2:
           return 'It is decidedly so'
       elif answerNumber == 3:
           return 'Yes'
       elif answerNumber == 4:
           return 'Reply hazy try again'
       elif answerNumber == 5:
           return 'Ask again later'
       elif answerNumber == 6:
           return 'Concentrate and ask again'
       elif answerNumber == 7:
           return 'My reply is no'
       elif answerNumber == 8:
           return 'Outlook not so good'
       elif answerNumber == 9:
           return 'Very doubtful'

r = random.randint(1, 9)
fortune = getAnswer(r)
print(fortune)

[vocal basin]

misindented

elifs are too far in

[whole bear]

!e import random

def getAnswer(answerNumber):
if answerNumber == 1:
return 'It is certain'
elif answerNumber == 2:
return 'It is decidedly so'
elif answerNumber == 3:
return 'Yes'
elif answerNumber == 4:
return 'Reply hazy try again'
elif answerNumber == 5:
return 'Ask again later'
elif answerNumber == 6:
return 'Concentrate and ask again'
elif answerNumber == 7:
return 'My reply is no'
elif answerNumber == 8:
return 'Outlook not so good'
elif answerNumber == 9:
return 'Very doubtful'

r = random.randint(1, 9)
fortune = getAnswer(r)
print(fortune)

[wise cargo]

@whole bear :x: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 1.

001 |   File "/home/main.py", line 6
002 |     elif answerNumber == 2:
003 |                            ^
004 | IndentationError: unindent does not match any outer indentation level

[vocal basin]

move them all three spaces to the left

[whole bear]

!e import random

def getAnswer(answerNumber):
if answerNumber == 1:
return 'It is certain'
elif answerNumber == 2:
return 'It is decidedly so'
elif answerNumber == 3:
return 'Yes'
elif answerNumber == 4:
return 'Reply hazy try again'
elif answerNumber == 5:
return 'Ask again later'
elif answerNumber == 6:
return 'Concentrate and ask again'
elif answerNumber == 7:
return 'My reply is no'
elif answerNumber == 8:
return 'Outlook not so good'
elif answerNumber == 9:
return 'Very doubtful'

r = random.randint(1, 9)
fortune = getAnswer(r)
print(fortune)

[wise cargo]

@whole bear :white_check_mark: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 0.

Yes

[vocal basin]

!e

import math
print(dir(math))

[wise cargo]

@vocal basin :white_check_mark: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 0.

['__doc__', '__file__', '__loader__', '__name__', '__package__', '__spec__', 'acos', 'acosh', 'asin', 'asinh', 'atan', 'atan2', 'atanh', 'cbrt', 'ceil', 'comb', 'copysign', 'cos', 'cosh', 'degrees', 'dist', 'e', 'erf', 'erfc', 'exp', 'exp2', 'expm1', 'fabs', 'factorial', 'floor', 'fmod', 'frexp', 'fsum', 'gamma', 'gcd', 'hypot', 'inf', 'isclose', 'isfinite', 'isinf', 'isnan', 'isqrt', 'lcm', 'ldexp', 'lgamma', 'log', 'log10', 'log1p', 'log2', 'modf', 'nan', 'nextafter', 'perm', 'pi', 'pow', 'prod', 'radians', 'remainder', 'sin', 'sinh', 'sqrt', 'sumprod', 'tan', 'tanh', 'tau', 'trunc', 'ulp']

[vocal basin]

this?

dir

still not understanding the question of "look into a library"

ah

!d math

[wise cargo]

math

This module provides access to the mathematical functions defined by the C standard.

These functions cannot be used with complex numbers; use the functions of the same name from the cmath module if you require support for complex numbers. The distinction between functions which support complex numbers and those which don’t is made since most users do not want to learn quite as much mathematics as required to understand complex numbers. Receiving an exception instead of a complex result allows earlier detection of the unexpected complex number used as a parameter, so that the programmer can determine how and why it was generated in the first place.

[vocal basin]

huh, this one doesn't link to source

https://github.com/python/cpython/blob/3.12/Lib/random.py

[fading fractal]

I see

[vocal basin]

ig would be related to this, but more generic
#voice-chat-text-0 message

via refactoring and code golfing

refactoring is just general "changing code while preserving functionality"

code golfing is competition for shortest code possible

[vocal basin]

which might be viable for book examples since books get outdated

depends on the context

while reading out the code, probably "def"

while referring to an item/concept, "function"

not necessarily just to call it from multiple time

also to simplify the program in general

then there's classes
which at first don't save space as much as time (due to encapsulating complexity)

ig Python doesn't force the notion of a class as much as something like Java

but it's still a core concept

I think the thing I'm working on is soon to be the largest project I've participated in

(approaching 18K lines)

still relatively small

[fallow scroll]

@fading fractal coding without functions and classes is called: Assembly 🙂

[vocal basin]

some assembly languages have functions

that part will become a separate project later

yes

OS processes not chemical processes

yes

for what OS?

do you need it to be HTTP?
if no, do you need it to be TCP?

RPC? (remote procedure call)

relatively simple technologies to try: HTTP, websockets (just an extension over HTTP), ZeroMQ

this is on separate computers, right?

does the server have in-memory state?

does the server store anything long-term in-memory or is it all on-disk?

as in the server program, not the server as the whole computer

then HTTP should be fine

with something like FastAPI

I guess so

not on this server at least (there are others where I do, but usually not in English)

the main one is non-public since some months ago

Russian language

[vocal basin]

if the server was tied to in-memory storage, but didn't require reliable message transport/processing, then the choice could be aiohttp

aiohttp-based servers don't scale as well, since its model is as single-threaded as asyncio is

unlike FastAPI, which, as an ASGI framework, allows for multiprocessing, but, when doing so, forbids shared in-memory state

multiple Python processes can't all access the same object

multiple threads can, but with restrictions (the main one currently being GIL)

global interpreter lock
meaning only one interpreter running at the same time within a process

[vocal basin]

ZeroMQ has a very different model to HTTP;
it's closer to sockets but abstracts away some difficult parts

ChatGPT makes more mistakes and has less responsibilities

fastapi requires also an ASGI server

such as uvicorn

in what way does the command not work?

[vocal basin]

something something that "law" about whenever making mistakes is mentioned, that mention will contain mistakes
(I was missing "has")

https://fastapi.tiangolo.com/tutorial/#install-fastapi

"fastapi[all]" includes uvicorn

I think at some point it either didn't properly install on 3.12 or something else went wrong

the [all] variant

but that was right after 3.12 release, so quite expected

it might've been related to uvloop or something adjacent

[vocal basin]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muphry's_law

... but generalised

[random copper]

https://jackjaconelli.com/

[vocal basin]

text slightly hard to read, but only because of unusual formatting (not bad, just unusual)

[vocal basin]

consider adding box-sizing: border-box to the two elements you have blue border for

(css)

this just avoids horizontal overflow

so that this doesn't appear

.bluepythons {
    box-sizing: border-box;
}

[random copper]

What is Hroizontal overflow?

[vocal basin]

elements are too wide

because of the border

[random copper]

so difference sizes of screen or what?

i added it thank you

[vocal basin]

and also because the border isn't counted as "width" by default

so when you set width to 100% and add border, by default it'll be slightly wider

which means it doesn't fit, therefore a horizontal scrollbar appears

[willow light]

So basically a middle manager.

[vocal basin]

one of my favourite Bryan Cantrill's talk titles

https://youtu.be/1KeYzjILqDo

something inside JS is responsible for that, I'd expect

[willow light]

Both. Simultaneously.

[somber heath]

@remote badger @neat ruin 👋

[neat ruin]

👋

[somber heath]

If either of you didn't join VC just now, apologies.

[neat ruin]

I did

[vocal basin]

I think it's not unit-testing if it's UI

[somber heath]

@whole bear 👋

@fallow gyro 👋

[fallow gyro]

I thought it was AI lol

dont mind me I am trying to improve my listening to British English accent.

[somber heath]

@solid perch https://youtube.com/@irlrosie?feature=shared

[somber heath]

I'm Australian.

[fallow gyro]

British and Australian both sound the same.

[somber heath]

To many, perhaps

[fallow gyro]

I don't have headphones right now otherwise i would love to chat with you

[somber heath]

@scarlet cargo 👋

[fallow gyro]

What do you have to do to qualify for voice chat?

[somber heath]

!voice

[wise cargo]

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[fallow gyro]

ok so what is your experince in software development field, if you don't mind asking you.

[scarlet cargo]

!voice

[wise cargo]

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[somber heath]

I'm a hobbyist. I make pretty pictures.

[solid perch]

@somber heath I sent a friend request if that's ok

[somber heath]

I avoid friending people outside of exceptional cases.

[solid perch]

Ah mk

That's understandable

[fallow gyro]

Emotional Damage

[somber heath]

https://youtu.be/sN_tVRmzA7Y?feature=shared

[fallow gyro]

so you are not realted to CS field?

[somber heath]

@solid perch This one

[somber heath]

Not in such terms.

I wasn't aware I was being spoken to.

To answer, no.

[fallow gyro]

You are a heart break kid 😄

[somber heath]

Look upon my works, ye mighty and despair.

[solid perch]

I'm eating dinner and waiting for my bf to come back after checking a friend's dog that just got hit by a car

[fallow gyro]

hmm so you believe in vaccine and Pakistani me who survive the whole pendemic without vaccine and mask. I guess our immune systems are OP 😅

[somber heath]

🙂

[fallow gyro]

Anyone here have expereince in Python programming?

[pine depot]

i think just about everyone

[fallow gyro]

but Opal Mist said he is an artist

[pine depot]

experience != do it for a living

[fallow gyro]

ok fair enough

[pine depot]

do you need help?

[fallow gyro]

So I was thinking, is it beneficial to read the source code of Large frameworks like "Scrapy" on Github to improve your python skillls?

[pine depot]

if you're capable of making sense of it, taking a look at big projects can be a great way to see some things you may not have thought of

if you look at it and don't understand it, it's not gonna help much lol

[fallow gyro]

its so massive that I have to connect he files with a diagram to understand interconnectivity between each file.

[pine depot]

i would just start with the https://docs.scrapy.org/en/latest/

[fallow gyro]

I recently learned software designing principle in Python and realized that learning them is very important, it got me out of tutorial hell.

[pine depot]

i edited the link

yeah, im doing software engineering in college right now

the design process and architecture and requirements, agile, scrum, waterfall, spiral models

it's... fun at times

[fallow gyro]

I am aiming for Data Analysis and then Data Science with Python. So normally people in these field people can just do the work without applying good code practice and all that. But I learned it anyway, I wanted to strengthen my base before going for development projects.

I don't have a Cs background though, I am a self taught.

[pine depot]

i was self taught, then went back to college. I skated through the python courses but the conceptual stuff like software engineering is more of a challenge

[fallow gyro]

This is their design

[pine depot]

i've never sat down and wrote our requirements and class/component diagrams before for any of my projects, i just wing it and refine

[fallow gyro]

I guess i will start with the Spider module and then Engine.

[pine depot]

whatever you wanna do lol

i dont have time to dive into this with you

i have 3 projects due ... later today now

[fallow gyro]

its ok, it donna take a lot of time

[fallow gyro]

are these python projects you are doing?

[pine depot]

yeah

oh

no

sry

is CS courses for my Bachelors

im working on a personal project for my portfolio as well, but i dont have much free time

[fallow gyro]

its ok see you around.

[pine depot]

you too! youre diagram is really nice

[fallow gyro]

its from their Docs 😄

[pine depot]

oh lol i thought u made it

see tho!

they applied principles of software engineering to it!

diagram, components, probably started with requirements and user stories

[fallow gyro]

I will also look into software architecture principle in Python as well. I can do my projects without knowing these but leaving these things make me feel like a fraud, you know imposter syndrome 🙂

[pine depot]

no, i dont suffer from imposter syndrome lol

lemme see

i can understand/write most python

[fallow gyro]

Well I guess i am a perfectionist, It really bothers me if I don't know something.

[pine depot]

the book im reading for class is:
Software Engineering: A Practitioner's Approach 9th Edition by Roger S. Pressman and Bruce R. Maxim

the more you learn, the more you dont know

i feel like thats a constant

theres always some new library, language, tech stack, implementation

thats evolving

[fallow gyro]

https://tenor.com/view/femto-gif-16725783015443727800

this is weird, when I search Gifs I can see them in small pop up menu but when i click them they get posted

can'y*

can't*

[dire quarry]

Hi everyone
I finished introductory Python and I wanted to know that for Advanced Python, should I just follow a course under the same name to learn more advanced topics?
Or should I follow in the advanced part of my desired work field, for example, back-end and the concepts and frameworks that are for this field?

[gentle flint]

https://youtube.com/watch?v=MtN1YnoL46Q

[obsidian dragon]

https://github.com/osyra42/bot_vanity/blob/main/main.js

@wind raptor

[vocal basin]

move it inside initBot?

it's a local to initBot

but called from itemByName which is outside

@wind raptor const to prevent re-definition

I doubt there's any other benefits of that style

it also disables hoisting

"so you can get even more errors because of undefined functions"

this is generally confusing

JS forces async

... normally

just by not providing sync interfaces (in most of the browser and most of the node.js)

there are some holes in both, but they're inconvenient

[vocal basin]

or just move let out of the function

[sturdy panther]

Hey!

I heard some C++ talk.

I C

[wind raptor]

https://docs.oracle.com/en/database/oracle/oracle-database/19/sqlrf/Format-Models.html#GUID-096CA64F-1DA3-4C49-A18B-ECC7518EE56C__BABIGFBA:~:text=Table 2-15 Number Format Elements

[wind raptor]

https://www.geeksforgeeks.org/format-specifiers-in-java/

[vocal basin]

@obsidian dragon file access

0o660 stuff

what chmod uses

[sturdy panther]

0o looks weird the first time seeing it.

[empty breach]

hey guys

how r u doing?

[vocal basin]

there's also just 0660 in some languages, I think

(C maybe?)

[empty breach]

quite bad

[vocal basin]

fun sad fact: C standard received binary literal syntax only in C23

other three apparently were from the beginning

just use hex

or something like that

I think MSVC, GCC and Clang all implemented it anyway

[sturdy panther]

I didn't know hex can use capital X. 0X0

[vocal basin]

!e

0XaBcDeF

[wise cargo]

@vocal basin :warning: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 0.

[No output]

[vocal basin]

might assume door is faster to break

but it's not broken one block at a time

thus failure

if only the upper block breaks, the algorithm is correct

it hopes lower block stays

[obsidian dragon]

bot.loadPlugin(autoeat);

bot.loadPlugin(pathfinder);

[vocal basin]

plugins as services and plugins as responses to requests?

you can convert latter to former quite easily

"still not compelling enough to use anyhow"

tungstenite::Error::Io(std::io::Error::new(std::io::ErrorKind::Other, e))

@obsidian dragon put carpet on fence, does the bot understand how it works?

@obsidian dragon iron doors take longer to break

likely depends on distance

when the bot didn't go for the doors, it was close enough to the player already

and not near the doors

thus door path would be suboptimal

[vocal basin]

yes, but the hope

[scarlet halo]

@obsidian dragon how'd you make that?

[somber heath]

@whole bear 👋

@acoustic girder 👋

[acoustic girder]

hello[

I am supressed

sorry, I´m trying to figure out

[somber heath]

!voice 👇

[wise cargo]

Voice verification

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[acoustic girder]

ah, thanks brother

that´s understandable

I was looking for someone to help me with a python project

if anyone has any interesting material on how backtracking can help solve sudoku boards

I wanted to test something I saw on a video on youtube a long time ago

[scarlet halo]

ive got a feeling that opal looks like either of these 3:

1. a gigachad
2. a stereotypical nerd
3. a 2040 prediction gamer
   i bet its the first one :)

[dire quarry]

Hi everyone
I finished introductory Python and I wanted to know that for Advanced Python, should I just follow a course under the same name to learn more advanced topics?
Or should I follow in the advanced part of my desired work field, for example, back-end and the concepts and frameworks that are for this field?

[vocal basin]

would this be a question for #career-advice?
if that relates to "desired work field"

[acoustic girder]

I wanted to build an algorythm to solve sudoku boards represented on an excel sheet, would numpy be the best/only library for this case?

[vocal basin]

what do you achieve with numpy?

[acoustic girder]

got it

[dire quarry]

no it's for python path.
that what should i do for python advanced

[acoustic girder]

when do you belive I will be able to talk on the chat? because I´ll probably work a bit on the project this night and share it with you guys when I´m able to.

But thanks for the tips, it´s really clarifying

[vocal basin]

what does "advanced python" mean for you? what do you take as a measure? where do you draw the line?

[acoustic girder]

the only part of the code that is tricky for me is on the 3x3 squares

what do you mean @somber heath ?

Exactly, but this is all build up on excel sheets

[dire quarry]

did you read my first message completly?

[acoustic girder]

but I saw some people making the code based on tables built in

[vocal basin]

the general advice would be "create projects, practice, use different methods of learning, regardless of whether you take courses or not"

[acoustic girder]

I belive it would be simpler to do the tables in Vs Code, but would like to do it in Excel

since I download the table through the excel format

[vocal basin]

yes, it doesn't cover what is "advanced" and what isn't

[acoustic girder]

and then I can download 100 tables and solve them as fast as I can

[woeful salmon]

i gotta go for now see you guys later 🙂

[vocal basin]

I, for example, wouldn't call just using Flask advanced, but it sure is back-end and sure is a framework

[acoustic girder]

if it´s possible for me to input all this tables in a faster way then excel it would be heaven on earth for me XD

[dire quarry]

yeah my question exactly it is.

[acoustic girder]

using image processing is the next step

I would love to be able to build something like that

[dire quarry]

can i send you message?

[vocal basin]

I don't do DMs

[acoustic girder]

brother, thanks a lot for your time. I´ll probably work on some homework and wait until I am eligble to speak on voicechats

[dire quarry]

ow

[vocal basin]

I'm not well aware of what courses there are; most of what I did was just reading stuff, building stuff, showing stuff, getting others to break that stuff, starting again

[dire quarry]

no one helps.

[acoustic girder]

Ah, I´ll check this rules out, thank you

[dire quarry]

i'm getting out

thanks

for nothing

[vocal basin]

#career-advice is a better place to ask such questions

and... they left

[gentle flint]

made many mini croissants

[somber heath]

@storm pine 👋

[somber heath]

Delightful things are often small.

[storm pine]

hi, my connection timeout

[vocal basin]

RTC error?

[storm pine]

yah

[vocal basin]

normally just waiting fixes it, but not always

[somber heath]

@whole bear 👋

[whole bear]

hi 👋

[somber heath]

@obsidian dragon https://millenaire.org/

[vocal basin]

these long error messages are reminding of the times one of my projects had types so difficult the compiler refused to output them in the console

and instead just wrote them to the file

I think largest it got to was 300~400 characters

I've only tried any automation in minecraft with opencomputers (mod)

drones there are fun, especially thanks to lack of persistent mutable state

so you need to pack the program and send it to them so that they boot from memory

it has, like, 4KiB of static (eeprom) and around 128KiB of dynamic (ram)

"you can write a transpiler"

and an optimising bundler

I had a bundler but it was bad

I still don't have proper Lua parser integration

also, bundler is bootstrapped (just to verify that it works correctly)

[somber heath]

@fair dawn 👋

[fair dawn]

Hello

[vocal basin]

right now it just stores modules as strings, then does magic to replace the require with that

[vocal basin]

the drone code might as well just be "receive one message, exec it"

but that introduces potential for vulnerabilities, if that's on multiplayer server

@somber heath "explicitly silenced" sounds like "explicitly implicit" out of context

[somber heath]

&zen

[potent carbon]

The Zen of Python, inspired by Tim Peters

Beautiful is better than ugly.
Explicit is better than implicit.
Simple is better than complex.
Complex is better than complicated.
Flat is better than nested.
Sparse is better than dense.
Readability is for hobgoblins.
Special cases will be met with the full force of the PSF.
Purity beats practicality.
There are no errors.
Anyone who says there are errors will be explicitly silenced.
In the face of ambiguity, remove the freedom to guess.
There is only one way to do it.
Although that way may not be obvious at first unless you're Dutch.
Now is better than never.
Although never is not real because time is fake.
If the implementation is hard to explain, it's a bad idea.
If the implementation is compliant with this style guide, it is a great idea
Namespaces may contribute towards the 120 character minimum — let's do more of those!

[somber heath]

!zen

[wise cargo]

The Zen of Python, by Tim Peters

Beautiful is better than ugly.
Explicit is better than implicit.
Simple is better than complex.
Complex is better than complicated.
Flat is better than nested.
Sparse is better than dense.
Readability counts.
Special cases aren't special enough to break the rules.
Although practicality beats purity.
Errors should never pass silently.
Unless explicitly silenced.
In the face of ambiguity, refuse the temptation to guess.
There should be one-- and preferably only one --obvious way to do it.
Although that way may not be obvious at first unless you're Dutch.
Now is better than never.
Although never is often better than right now.
If the implementation is hard to explain, it's a bad idea.
If the implementation is easy to explain, it may be a good idea.
Namespaces are one honking great idea -- let's do more of those!

[lime vale]

hello

[whole bear]

I took some time to think about what I wanted to do in programming and I liked game development the most, I don't know anything about Python or JavaScript where to start and what better way to study

[wind raptor]

!stream 264657660190654464

[wise cargo]

✅ @wise loom can now stream until <t:1700451187:f>.

[obsidian dragon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lpSzbxpGzSY

[idle vector]

for those who dont have voice perms I think you can type !voice to see what to do to get voice perms

[obsidian dragon]

tail

[fading fractal]

uvicorn.run(app, host="192.168.1.90", port=9999)

Status: inactive

Status: active

[somber heath]

@flint quail @vernal warren 👋

[obsidian dragon]

I don't understand

[fading fractal]

import uvicorn
from fastapi import FastAPI

app = FastAPI()


@app.get("/")
async def read_root():
    return {"Hello": "World"}


@app.get("/items/{item_id}")
async def read_item(item_id: int, q: Union[str, None] = None):
    return {"item_id": item_id, "q": q}


if __name__ == '__main__':
    uvicorn.run(app, host="192.168.1.90", port=80)

http://192.168.1.90

http://192.168.1.90:80

[obsidian dragon]

fast is similar to express?

#voice-chat-text-1

[fading fractal]

netstat: feature AF BLUETOOTH' not supported. Please recompile net-tools' with newer kernel source or full configuration.
findstr: command not found

[rugged root]

Slow morning it seems

Or I missed the rush

[sweet lodge]

Hi Hemmy

Hi Rab

I got used!

That's that movie, right?

[obsidian dragon]

there was a rush with fastAPI questions

[rugged root]

Yeah yeah yeah

[sweet lodge]

Are they still there?

[obsidian dragon]

no, they wer in voice 1

they war

[sweet lodge]

war

is still decently slow

[oblique ridge]

people are using AI interpolation but like it ain't good

[rugged root]

Yet. We'll get there

[oblique ridge]

:(

i have no problem with 24 fps for movies

24 is most movies

standards are typically 15, 24, 30, 48, 60

partially cost, partially tradition

well they could go 23 and we wouldn't really notice an issue, but that's just not what we do

i like 3*powers of 2

24 is a cool number

!e ```py
3*2**3

[wise cargo]

@oblique ridge :warning: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 0.

[No output]

[oblique ridge]

fuck

ye

but like 3 times power of 2

24

cool num

hint: ||mate in three||

solution: ||Re8+ Rxe8 Rxe8+ Bf8 Bf6#||

that sounds like pain

smash ultimate really shoulda had a blue dk alt
i want dankey kang

[rugged root]

Wait does it not?

[oblique ridge]

no 😔

[rugged root]

Oh right it's just a blue tie for blue team

And like

Slight tint difference

[oblique ridge]

shoulda replaced blue tie with blue fur ye

how do you know that's the anime MC?

everyone has plain brown and black hair

spiky ass colored hair walks in

yeye

[sweet lodge]

https://img.ifunny.co/images/14c77835ad825803021a0b17d5ea65744cec9ac2d4f5ed3c8f4785be7e7aafec_1.jpg

[oblique ridge]

i need to rewatch fma brotherhood but i don't wanna spend so much time and cry

jolly ranchers ain't it

durable candy lmfao

peppermint bark is good af tho

maybe if you ate them one at a time you wouldn't have a problem

https://youtu.be/9q4FFIBnkmI

ceo sam altman

very very fast lmao

[willow gate]

Hi

[desert vector]

it's worth it though

[rugged root]

E-edward....

[oblique ridge]

let people call me old all they want
that shit is still top tier

yeah but all the kids hate on hxh and fmab cause they think they're old and overrated

you're too young hemlock

[desert vector]

hxh is not overrated what are you on about

[oblique ridge]

hxh dope af

you don't gotta think too hard though
you can still just sit and enjoy it

same with like fmab

[desert vector]

but thinking about it is the enjoyment

[oblique ridge]

also ye i totally hate that argument

like i ain't watching one piece

https://hiatus-hiatus.github.io/

ok i did watch naruto

but i won't suggest it to anybody

[desert vector]

nah, i dislike naruto a lot

a lot of talk-no-jutsu

a lot of the swing set

[oblique ridge]

it was nice up to pain arc but ye

[desert vector]

trying my hardest to find the original dragon ball series in spanish sub

helps me want to learn the language

[oblique ridge]

ok dbz kai is top tier af tho

[desert vector]

cutting out the filler did wonders

[oblique ridge]

oh dude that's the worst part of tryna figure out if startups are real or not lol

that's pretty sus cause i've only got a text a few times
it's mostly calls, linkedin, and emails

[golden sonnet]

👋

[oblique ridge]

everybody's working for the weekend

saturday 6am

bro old youtube MVs for songs were always so cool

https://youtu.be/rc_tU-zCzjY

https://youtu.be/PtuVA4NOm0I

[desert vector]

dan brown moment

uhhh

at least it's not john smith

[oblique ridge]

just got doxxed

[desert vector]

good luck finding out which one

we are millions™

YES

YES

THIS MF

[oblique ridge]

nothin personnel...kid...

[desert vector]

pssshhhh

coldsteel the hedgeheg

[oblique ridge]

that's metal af

[desert vector]

chain on the tail does go kinda hard
(this is my 2009 speaking)

[sweet lodge]

Isn't that your, you know, job, Hemlock?

[desert vector]

order 66

[oblique ridge]

execute

gosh

[desert vector]

"hemlock spins the block and removes the ops"

[oblique ridge]

yeungling

[desert vector]

younglings, yeah

[oblique ridge]

love it

pronounced ying ling tho

[desert vector]

ying ling

[oblique ridge]

kill it

[golden sonnet]

dew it

[oblique ridge]

dude for some reason, the night after having corona, my poop smells like weed

idk man

it just does

nah like

the bathroom will just smell

i wouldn't be suprrised

lol

[golden sonnet]

you probably got the virus from a pot head

[oblique ridge]

oh didn't they recently make a 4loko change?

oooh ye nvm that was a while ago

[desert vector]

alternatively, the virus is a pot head

[oblique ridge]

everclear shooters

[golden sonnet]

or he is
and he's blaming it on corona

[oblique ridge]

fucking pure ethanol lmao

[desert vector]

all three

100% alcohol by weight

[oblique ridge]

beer virus

yes

horshoe crabs got blue blood

there's hella of these dinosaurs at sandy hook beach

smurf car

ye but it's smurf blue

add a hat

lmfao

tinted white

[sweet lodge]

Hello, 911?
I need @rugged root here taken to the hospital

[oblique ridge]

lol

he's doing it again

oi

[sweet lodge]

Hi Chris

[oblique ridge]

i don't mind it

people love to hate on black wheels but i'm a fan of those too

but like copper looks sooooo bad

u good

i've watched a bit

not too much on it tho

the fanimation stuff is always so fun

for game grumps and oney plays lol

[golden sonnet]

no

[sweet lodge]

.wa s 169 cm

[rugged root]

https://open.spotify.com/track/3S62n3IuBO78NpGMG0Lzjl?si=f35aad9ee24c4bea

[viscid lagoon]

Wolfram Alpha

1690 millimeters

[oblique ridge]

185 gang 💪

[sweet lodge]

welp

.wa s 169 cm to feet

[viscid lagoon]

Wolfram Alpha

about 5.54 feet

[sweet lodge]

If you do the big one

.wa 169 cm

[golden sonnet]

just embrace the metric system

[viscid lagoon]

Wolfram Alpha

View original for a bigger picture.

[sweet lodge]

Wanted that

For all the bullshit comparisons

[oblique ridge]

you can't assign weight?

mommy

[sweet lodge]

@rugged root y u no have Intune with white glove??

[rugged root]

Intune would not help here, unfortunately

[sweet lodge]

[desert vector]

average american

[sweet lodge]

[oblique ridge]

hey how many football fields is this?

https://x.com/SheriffAlert/status/1221881862244749315?s=20

[golden sonnet]

i don't get why americans refuse to use meter

[oblique ridge]

@obsidian dragon programmer socks

[oblique ridge]

people fear change

waiting for the day we use a base 12 number system as a society

ye fuck dividing by 2 and 5
i want 2, 2, and 3

base 9 is meh
just divisible by 3

yuck

prime base system 😢

wait what you doin

bruh

what do you mean i have to close these?

[sweet lodge]

@rugged root windows or tabs?

nice

[rugged root]

Windows

Yeah it was a popup for a login

[oblique ridge]

were they all the same program?

oh ok ye was just gonna say task manager

ohhh

[desert vector]

ROGUELITE???

[oblique ridge]

you shoulda used the hotkey Ctrl + Shift + Alt + Win + L

[tall ridge]

...it's complicated... remember that 35% of us were stupid enough to vote for Trump
(although, I suppose, that is about the same percentage of Germans stupid enough to vote for Hitler and Germany uses meters....)

[sweet lodge]

My dad was telling me that he went into the owner's wife's office, and he was making fun of her for having an ultrawide monitor, Chrome maximized, and there being so many tabs that each tab only said (x)
I was in her office earlier that day, she had four different Chrome windows open, each with that many tabs

[oblique ridge]

i woulda made fun of her too

[sweet lodge]

All the people here
I need to restart a computer
"can I close Edge? What're all these tabs for [internal order management]?"

oh yeah it's fine those are from like last week

CLOSE YOUR SHIT!!

[oblique ridge]

||though tbf that happens to me too sometimes||

[desert vector]

i do be having 50 firefox tabs open

[gentle flint]

i do be having 0 firefox tabs open

[wind raptor]

Check out my new Chrome spinners. #pimpmychrome

[oblique ridge]

i've done 6

as a joke

[desert vector]

(he's joking, he did 6 on purpose)

[rugged root]

@molten bay Yo

[gentle flint]

"wolf ears!" "vroid wolf hair" "vroid hair preset wolf ears" "fox tail and ears [vroid]"

[rugged root]

@molten bay Check out the #voice-verification channel

[oblique ridge]

if you take 6 spots, expect to get boxed in from 6 different locations

[rugged root]

That'll tell you what you need to know about the voice gate

That said, you can still chat in here and talk. If we're in VC we'll be watching the text channel so no one gets left out

[oblique ridge]

love stacked tabs

tree tabs ftw

vert tabs ftw

[molten bay]

lol

guess i could probabl;y just speak a lot here

is that wrong ?

[oblique ridge]

wide screens buddy

[rugged root]

So long as you're participating it's all good

[molten bay]

can someone point me to a goodlibrary to use for sqlserver based db

[rugged root]

It's the spammers that are just like "1...2...3..."

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/sql/connect/python/pyodbc/step-1-configure-development-environment-for-pyodbc-python-development?view=sql-server-ver16&tabs=windows

[sweet lodge]

M$?

Allow me to step in

[oblique ridge]

bro i was having hell at work with pyodbc

[obsidian dragon]

!voice @molten bay

[wise cargo]

Voice verification

Can’t talk in voice chat? Check out #voice-verification to get access. The criteria for verifying are specified there.

[molten bay]

i need to be able to connect to just the server then i want to exec stored procedures and just append "USE {dbname}" before so that i can quickly swap the db that i am using

!voice

[sweet lodge]

ODBC?
Don't use ODBC unless you're absolutely forced to

Embrace literally anything else

Don't go down the road of that sadness

[molten bay]

i tried sqlalchemy

but non of the async drivers work

[sweet lodge]

Why not?

And even if so, why not just use a sync driver?

[oblique ridge]

i'm stuck with the env i'm in and we only have pyodbc but also don't have drivers

[molten bay]

because i am dumb as Frick

[sweet lodge]

Understandable

Me too

[molten bay]

i see

[sweet lodge]

Do you already have async code?

[molten bay]

yeah the company has multiple clients and each db just has that clients code. and all the stored procedures match on all db's

be back in a giffy

[rugged root]

Righto

[sweet lodge]

[rugged root]

Almost sounds like how SAP does their programs....

[molten bay]

who is SAP?

[rugged root]

Business software. They're big in Europe. Kind of like Intuit (who does Quickbooks) here in the states

[sweet lodge]

https://www.sap.com/

[molten bay]

well it's my aunties accounting software company

so more or less the same

basically interning

[dry jasper]

https://www.oracle.com/hospitality/products/hotel-channel-management-software/

[rugged root]

Oh god accounting software... I work at an accounting firm as IT

So you're in my wheelhouse of pain

[oblique ridge]

no, house of pain would get angry

ye

like how all the jojo's english names lol

[desert vector]

zipper man

[oblique ridge]

bro i'm tryna remember
i forget if there's one in english that's legit just man in the mirror which is so obviously MJ but that hasn't changed for some reason

[desert vector]

hanged man, j. geil?

[oblique ridge]

i can't rmeember
it's been too long

[desert vector]

hold on

[oblique ridge]

oh localized name is mirror man nmv

[desert vector]

mirror man moment

[oblique ridge]

yoooo

we are scientists mentioned

https://youtu.be/Et9llKBJdEs

bro my fucking cat

wakes me up 6am

so handy but still

ye
but also when working from home

she meows so loud outside my room for so long

when there's legit someone else in the other room for her 😩

with NO DOOR

people are distrubing themselves

everyone at my office is OOO rn and i have nothing much to do atm 🤷

still working on stuff tho

y'all know about chris

subset

#notalladmins

fuck 8

but 10 was pretty nice

vista was dope
idk why so much hate for it

ye

ahhh

that's the annoying part of windows

[rugged root]

https://tenor.com/bfiVN.gif

[desert vector]

https://tenor.com/view/nugget-chicken-chicken-nuggets-gif-18203945

[oblique ridge]

holy shit

nuggy

[desert vector]

repost or die in 7 days

[oblique ridge]

OHNO

[desert vector]

:3

[oblique ridge]

looks pretty crisp for a gif

bro chilly's got rid foo their fried pickles

of

idk man

i wish i can say

caas

buy it

[desert vector]

@rugged root

[oblique ridge]

invert y axis is old gamer thing

i prefer full inversion or none

not a fan of mixed

so imagine a turret

you're moving yourself, not the aim

ok actually flying is y inversion only

iirc many games have invert y for fly only option

[desert vector]

ye

[oblique ridge]

wood is wet

[desert vector]

no way!!!

[rugged root]

@woeful sentinel If you're wondering why you can't talk, check out the #voice-verification

Sorry, forgot to hit enter

[desert vector]

forgorful

[oblique ridge]

i forgor 💀

[oblique ridge]

sexy move is to drill hole into bottom of desk with nail to hang the power strip

[desert vector]

sexy move is to get a button that sends a wakeup on LAN signal to your computer

[whole bear]

Sexy move is when cables are invisible

[oblique ridge]

the only cable you see on my desk is the power strip going to the desk

[rugged root]

Mmmm... magic packet....

[oblique ridge]

power strip to underside of desk then manage all the cables from there

embrace the cables?

hell no

ugly af

a mess

yes

true

which is why i have a coil over the monitor cables going down to the pc

lemme get pic of back of pc real quick brb

lol i got a foot hammock

boy do i have news for you

it's also a standing desk

yes

yes yes

that's right

so i switch between standing and sitting with my feet on the hammock

[rugged root]

Don't put your feet on me

[desert vector]

think I have the same case

[rugged root]

Oh HAMMOCK

Right

[desert vector]

dumb dumb

[oblique ridge]

playwright

@hearty cosmos

it's a bot browser but playwright is much nicer to use imo

microsoft

if you can mess with the APIs alone, i'd avoid using selenium and playwright

[desert vector]

mmmm, npm package

[oblique ridge]

as long as you can make requests

but if you need to render js, then use playwright

https://github.com/microsoft/playwright

API is legit easier than using a browser tester i promise

https://instagram.com/robots.txt

https://playwright.dev/python/docs/intro

spiders ye

yeye always look there to see what you can do

but also, checking robots.txt is also what makes it really easy to find the paths to look for if you are scraping

and sitemap.xml

robots.txt is legit the streisand effect

ye just limit yourself ezpz

random SOCKS chains is something you can do, but i wouldn't suggest it because moral bad

[rugged root]

Remember not to mix SOCKS and SANDALS, though

You'll look like a dork

[oblique ridge]

hey

it's comfy

and easy to wear

like shorts

[rugged root]

Well played

Well played

[oblique ridge]

ye

[willow light]

Literally what I wear at home though

SmartWool socks at that

[oblique ridge]

oh nah home is raw doggin it

outdoor comfort is socks and slide tho

toenail jar

[oblique ridge]

bread 👍

mine is alwyas out

[rugged root]

Kinky

[oblique ridge]

SaaS giving

[wind raptor]

SASS giving

[oblique ridge]

yes

agreed

[woeful salmon]

@wind raptor https://headlessui.com/react/menu

[oblique ridge]

just use tailwind then copy the components people make

[rugged root]

Honestly ye

All I'm hearing is Ligma

[woeful salmon]

@wind raptor https://velocity.builder.io/

[oblique ridge]

figma balls

[wind raptor]

ligma "

[golden sonnet]

👋

[wind raptor]

I feel like I'm back in gradeschool

[wind raptor]

Heyo!

[golden sonnet]

have you worked with asp.net?

[rugged root]

I've messed with it and Blazor

I like it

[wind raptor]

I have not

[golden sonnet]

i'm thinking about going for a different framework
finding job for django is kinda hard here

[rugged root]

asp is worth picking up, yeah

[golden sonnet]

asp/php/nodejs are mostly used

[rugged root]

The more tools you know, the more desirable you are

Honestly looking at modern PHP is really really cool, too

[golden sonnet]

yeah

[woeful salmon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cp5WWtMoeKg

[golden sonnet]

i know i don't want js
so thinking on the other two

[oblique ridge]

thats wha ti have

my pc can slide out

[golden sonnet]

mine is just simple black

[oblique ridge]

porygon

was afk

[rugged root]

Why?

Why is it in there?

[oblique ridge]

cables

3060

wynaut

yes

oh the airflow in here is real nice
very open case

doesn't get hot much from normal use

[rugged root]

Same

[vocal basin]

win+r defaulted to cmd not powershell, I think

[oblique ridge]

ye and terminal just hosts whatever you want iirc

yo im on a diet rn

but i really want shephards pie

no keep talking

oh my

chicken pot pie

mmmm

i would kill for some pb cookies rn

[wind raptor]

https://thekitchengirl.com/shepherds-pie-turkey-chicken/

[gentle flint]

https://www.bbcgoodfood.com/recipes/family-meals-easy-fish-pie-recipe

[rugged root]

@sharp void If you're wondering why you can't talk, check out the #voice-verification channel. That'll tell you what you need to know about the voice gate

[oblique ridge]

like 2 things

i love the new windows manager though

[rugged root]

?

[oblique ridge]

git gud

or changin ip

thats so sad

https://tenor.com/view/developers-gif-13292051

how many bathtubs is that?

Tablespoons because we use them to stir tables

ye i haven't touched cogs in ages

hemboy gimme video i won't show my hack repos

jk they ain't even archived, deleted

1-2 years about

nerd

[wind raptor]

3-4 years for me

[lusty rampart]

@rugged root, hello, i dont want to disturb but im kinda new on the server and i saw u have the admin role and know pretty well how to code in python and i have a few questions about coding, i wonder if i could ask you about somewhere i can look or study from to master some topics as dinamic programming an some algorithms such as branch and bound. it is for a subject of the degree im studying, thanks :).

[whole bear]

#1176235201798611068

[oblique ridge]

@torpid bolt me personally i don't thing studying something as interactive as programming like that is a great idea
you always have everything you need at your pc so if you forget a concept, you're always able to simply look it up
just don't get used to copying what you see verbatim and learn to learn what you're reading

[oblique ridge]

don't ask to ask, just ask ;)

[rugged root]

!resources Absolutely! So on our resources page (see the bot embed), there's a link to "The Algorithms" which is a git repo of all kinds of algo and data struct stuff

[wise cargo]

Resources

The Resources page on our website contains a list of hand-selected learning resources that we regularly recommend to both beginners and experts.

[whole bear]

https://discord.com/channels/267624335836053506/1176235201798611068

[lusty rampart]

thank you very much

[rugged root]

We also have the #algos-and-data-structs channel who can help you out as well

[whole bear]

help me

[rugged root]

Demanding help is not the way to get help. I'm juggling some things here at work at the moment

[lusty rampart]

thank you a lot, ill take a look

[oblique ridge]

dw nimbus, if anyone here's got a trash memory, it's probably me
but yeye

ye

that's why i was a lot more geared towards math and physics in school
because on the exams, i didn't have to memorize anything

i would just be able to derive what i need

well problem solving != memorization

[lusty rampart]

a page one of my professors told me to take a look at is geek for geeks, is it a good page to learn algorithms ??

[oblique ridge]

i'm more problem solve dude less memorization dude

ye also thankfully i haven't touched school in forever

[rugged root]

It can be hit and miss. Usually if I'm googling or looking around for things, I'll check a couple pages instead of looking through one specific website. Some places explain some topics or algos better than others

[oblique ridge]

@torpid bolt you need one of these

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubber_duck_debugging

explaining something is a great way to find an issue

it's also a great way to learn

[lusty rampart]

okey, thank you, btw is there any way for me to see how much messeges i have left to send to be able to talk ?

[rugged root]

Yeppers. In #bot-commands, do the !user command

[lusty rampart]

rubber duckies are god tier

[lusty rampart]

okeyy

[oblique ridge]

!e ```py
print(50 - 9)

[wise cargo]

@oblique ridge :white_check_mark: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 0.

41

[oblique ridge]

also don't spam messages expecting it to count to the goal

actually i know everything

@rugged root how did you get that moderator programs alumni badge?

lol

[lusty rampart]

no no, i was asking cause im in the server for 2 years now and i aint even got 12 messeges hahaha

[oblique ridge]

lol rip

[lusty rampart]

well i entered the degree a year ago so...

[oblique ridge]

well same program again ain't gonna be helpful imo

i think working on different small projects that make use of what you're tryna learn is more important

you've gotta try explaining it to someone yourself

the best is to explain it to somebody that has no context of what you're talking about

[lusty rampart]

yes i think the same way as u but on my university at least, the professors just tell you for which cases an algorithms works and the exercises are not part of a project, they are just individual exercises

[oblique ridge]

that's my excuse for never studying cause i don't study til the night before but by the time it's then, i know cramming ain't gonna help

[woeful salmon]

@pure gust you just dissed how i passed history every year

cramming 1 hour before exam

lol

[oblique ridge]

explains why i failed history every year

no study

bad memory

yeye

[woeful salmon]

i was on edge with history and chem only

[oblique ridge]

same tox

[woeful salmon]

everything else was fine for me

[oblique ridge]

oh dude my physics and math classes carried tf outta my gpa in college

[woeful salmon]

same

even in school for me

maths carried me alot

[oblique ridge]

i failed like 6 or 7 classes but still got a 3.9 gpa at the end of it somehow

[rugged root]

That's crazy

[oblique ridge]

it was mostly language and history classes

but that's also half cause i didn't show up for half the semester 🤷

[woeful salmon]

i was fine with language

[oblique ridge]

A+ af on all the classes in my major

[oblique ridge]

i actually learned pretty well but was uninterested

[woeful salmon]

but our language tests are actually very easy

[oblique ridge]

i can at least read and write a decent number of languages

[lusty rampart]

are u all guys from the us?

[oblique ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/america-hurricane-happy4th-of-july-america-flag-independence-day-gif-21259025

[woeful salmon]

yeah 100% get it but i'm in india

i don't do good i get beat

lol

[oblique ridge]

same af here lol

except in college, i'm not showing my parents any grades lol

tuples ye

immutable

[woeful salmon]

i think for me i was just instictually scared of it without even having to show it to parents

xD

[lusty rampart]

that was wild

[oblique ridge]

arrays aren't really a thing in python

yeah they're there in libraries

and you can make datasets

but in python, we have list

and possibly sets

and strings

and generators 😩

[lusty rampart]

well it is understanding

i mean

u dont use python to do apps, usually

[woeful salmon]

well atleast python has numpy

javascript has arrays

[lusty rampart]

python for GUIS 💀

[woeful salmon]

which are not proper arrays

[oblique ridge]

ye but numpy doesn't have classic arrays and that's a 3rd party library

[woeful salmon]

and you have ArrayBuffer which you can use to get a proper array in javascript but

its pain

[lusty rampart]

lists ma broder

[oblique ridge]

lists ftw

[woeful salmon]

its as close to an proper array in python without just switching language

[torpid bolt]

@vernal bridge@rugged root ```py
variable = []

[oblique ridge]

list

so in python, we don't have arrays

except lib

but for the most part, you never touch arrays

[lusty rampart]

bruh lists work the same way

[oblique ridge]

yeye

[woeful salmon]

list -> dynamic pointer array to PyObjects
array.array -> dynamic array with ctypes (from what i understand)
numpy -> proper array with ctypes but with a shit ton of other added functionality?

[oblique ridge]

almost

the difference is data type

[vernal bridge]

import array as arr

array_1 = arr.array("i", [3, 6, 9, 12])
print(array_1)
print(type(array_1))

[oblique ridge]

lists can take whatever

array has to be same data type

[dusky mortar]

alias

[lusty rampart]

lists are better then

more usefull

[oblique ridge]

all datatypes got their uses

[lusty rampart]

Sets are the worst thing the human has ever created

[oblique ridge]

in python, you'll literally never touch actual arrays

[oblique ridge]

they're pretty handy

[lusty rampart]

but hard af

working with them

[vocal basin]

performance not efficiency

[lusty rampart]

quality before quantity

[oblique ridge]

import this

[woeful salmon]

well actually i think atleast 30-40% of people who actually have a python job (i'm thinking data science) deal mainly with numpy arrays and pandas dataframes

[vocal basin]

(responding to VC context)

[rugged root]

Ah right right

[lusty rampart]

ª

[woeful salmon]

!e

import __hello__

[wise cargo]

@woeful salmon :warning: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 0.

[No output]

[woeful salmon]

D: wait why does that not work