haskell -> js
#voice-chat-text-0
vocal basin
"is there really such thing as readable JavaScript?"
@wind raptor we had a long weekend recently but for different reasons lol
or whatever
idk how to call
Monday just after the mutiny was declared not to be a workday, for obvious reasons
ashen plinth
@lavish rover do you work full time and also study at Univ, or only work?
lavish rover
work full time
ashen plinth
So you wouldn't have an off for 4th of July due to Friday off, or you would still have it
lavish rover
I'm in Canada
ashen plinth
Okay, makes sense now!
vocal basin
it's been
five hours
what I actually need to do to optimise it is to properly analyse deltas instead of re-walking the whole tree each time
wind raptor
!stream 191793436976873473
wise cargoBOT
β @whole bear can now stream until <t:1688345165:f>.
vocal basin
@lavish rover
iterator.next. commands the iterator to return the next value whatever the conditions are
iterator.next? politely asks for the next value or queries whether there's a next value
iterator.next?! panics if there's a next value
lavish rover
iterator.next?! is confused
vocal basin
or it can just UB for more confusion
lavish rover
wind raptor
!stream 191793436976873473
wise cargoBOT
β @whole bear can now stream until <t:1688354328:f>.
lavish rover
^
wise cargoBOT
@lunar haven :white_check_mark: Your 3.11 eval job has completed with return code 0.
001 | 10k + 4 mod 7mod 7 5 5 0 6 4 5 0
002 | 10k + 4 mod 8mod 7 2 6 4 4 4 6 4
003 | 10k + 4 mod 9mod 7 6 2 4 2 6 1 6
004 | 10k + 4 mod 10mod 7 4 4 4 4 4 4 4
005 | 10k + 4 mod 11mod 7 1 2 1 0 3 4 0
006 | 10k + 4 mod 12mod 7 6 2 4 1 0 3 0
007 | 10k + 4 mod 13mod 7 6 3 0 4 5 2 1
somber heath
i dont even know how to make a for loop
Do you understand about assignment?
whole bear
no
somber heath
How a variable is a named reference to an object?
whole bear
yeah
somber heath
!e py a = "Hello" print(a)
wise cargoBOT
@somber heath :white_check_mark: Your 3.11 eval job has completed with return code 0.
Hello
A for loop is that, but on repeat.
Over a sequence.
!e py for letter in "abc": print(letter)
wise cargoBOT
@somber heath :white_check_mark: Your 3.11 eval job has completed with return code 0.
001 | a
002 | b
003 | c
!e py letter = "a" print(letter) letter = "b" print(letter) letter = "c" print(letter)
wise cargoBOT
@somber heath :white_check_mark: Your 3.11 eval job has completed with return code 0.
001 | a
002 | b
003 | c
These two examples are roughly equivalent.
somber heath
It looks at the first thing in "abc", then performs what's in the indent
Having assigned the first thing to letter
Then the second thing has letter assigned to it
the indented section is performed
The third thing has letter assigned to it
the indented section is performed
Then, because there are no more things, the for loop exits.
somber heath
So, basically any iterable is a candidate for where "abc" is.
When you use a for loop, you are said to be iterating over that something.
whole bear
idk what an iterable is
somber heath
Integers are not iterable. Floats are not iterable. Complexes are not iterable. Functions are not iterable. A bunch of things are not iterable.
Lists are iterable. Tuples are iterable. Strings are iterable. Instantiated generator expressions are iterable. Many things from the itertools module are iterable.
Basically, if you can plug it into a for loop, it's iterable.
If you can give it to the list or tuple constructor, it's iterable. (But also possibly infinite, so take care!)
whole bear
okay
somber heath
!d iterable
wise cargoBOT
wise cargoBOT
wise cargoBOT
lusty kindle
!resources
wise cargoBOT
lusty kindle
mb I didnβt heard good
rotund scaffold
Hey Guys, trying to find a website if anyone remembers something like this please let me know. Website has info about all the software licenses GNU, MIT, Apache and so on with info in short summed up paragraph.
somber heath
Hey Guys, trying to find a website if anyone remembers something like this pleas...
Github has that stuff when you're selecting the license to use, if I remember correctly.
It's been a while.
rotund scaffold
Yep got it, https://docs.github.com/github/creating-cloning-and-archiving-repositories/licensing-a-repository thanks @somber heath
cinder dawn
!pip discord.py
wise cargoBOT
somber heath
@silk gale π
silk gale
cinder dawn
!voice
cinder dawn
humanities best decisiom
somber heath
@ashen plinth π
ashen plinth
Hi Opal!
ashen plinth
Opal, do you also crochet?
cinder dawn
got the opal gratification
dry parrot
guys i need course oop in python !
somber heath
!resources
wise cargoBOT
somber heath
Corey Schafer, YouTuber. Playlist for Python Beginners.
ashen plinth
Yes, Opal could you please discuss some of functions and claases/objects concepts if possible during some of the groupcalls
cinder dawn
ive heard that a class is like really basic ice cream
and chocolate and strawberry, etc are the objects
or a car is a class and the engine, seats , etc are the objects
ashen plinth
any such analogy. cars is a class, auidi, toyota are objects of that class
frosty star
Oh gtg everyone ... my break is over π¦ bye bye
somber heath
!e ```py
class Person:
def init(self, name):
self.name = name
def greet(self):
print(f'Hello. I am {self.name}.')
person_a = Person('Albert')
person_b = Person('Sally')
person_a.greet()
person_b.greet()```
wise cargoBOT
@somber heath :white_check_mark: Your 3.11 eval job has completed with return code 0.
001 | Hello. I am Albert.
002 | Hello. I am Sally.
west epoch
Is Self referring to person_a , or person_a.greet()? But I got that self doesn't refer to class person
somber heath
!e ```py
class MyClass:
def init(self):
print('Hello, world.')
instance = MyClass()```
wise cargoBOT
@somber heath :white_check_mark: Your 3.11 eval job has completed with return code 0.
Hello, world.
@somber heath can put into better words but, self will always represent the instance of class
west epoch
Yeah, i am trying to understand by instance are we referring to the 'person_a' instance (object) as a whole or in particular to the 'person_a.greet()' attribute alone? Hope my question is correct
Thanks. Okay, got it, instance (or object) of the class as a whole. And we can have many instances of any given class
somber heath
!e ```py
class MyClass:
def my_method(self):
return 'abc'
instance = MyClass()
print(instance.my_method)
print(instance.my_method())```
wise cargoBOT
@somber heath :white_check_mark: Your 3.11 eval job has completed with return code 0.
001 | <bound method MyClass.my_method of <__main__.MyClass object at 0x7fa96db0c450>>
002 | abc
!e ```py
def func():
print('Hello, world.')
print(func())```
wise cargoBOT
@somber heath :white_check_mark: Your 3.11 eval job has completed with return code 0.
001 | Hello, world.
002 | None
Okay, all functions have a return. Either none or other type
somber heath
!e py r = print('abc') print(r)
rotund scaffold
!e
print(print('Print func'))
@somber heath :white_check_mark: Your 3.11 eval job has completed with return code 0.
001 | abc
002 | None
Sorry, I didn't follow the last point of instance.mymethod. can you please explain this
somber heath
!e ```py
def func():
print('a')
return 'b'
print(func())```
wise cargoBOT
@somber heath :white_check_mark: Your 3.11 eval job has completed with return code 0.
001 | a
002 | b
!e
class PyClass():
def __init__(self, value):
self.value = value
obj1 = PyClass(1)
obj2 = PyClass(2)
obj3 = PyClass(1)
print(isinstance(obj1, PyClass))
print(isinstance(obj2, PyClass))
print(obj1 == obj2)
print(obj1 == obj3)
print(obj1.value == obj3.value)
@rotund scaffold :white_check_mark: Your 3.11 eval job has completed with return code 0.
001 | True
002 | True
003 | False
Is self.value here evaluated as pyclass.value for both the below lines?
obj_1 = pyclass(1)
obj_2 = pyclass(2)
Line 3
Got it. Self.value equivalent to obj1.value , that is value =1. Is that correct?
somber heath
!e ```py
class MyClass:
value = 'abc'
print(MyClass.value)```
wise cargoBOT
@somber heath :white_check_mark: Your 3.11 eval job has completed with return code 0.
abc
!e ```py
class MyClass:
def init(self):
self.value = 'abc'
instance = MyClass()
print(instance.value)
print(MyClass.value)```
wise cargoBOT
@somber heath :x: Your 3.11 eval job has completed with return code 1.
001 | abc
002 | Traceback (most recent call last):
003 | File "/home/main.py", line 7, in <module>
004 | print(MyClass.value)
005 | ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
006 | AttributeError: type object 'MyClass' has no attribute 'value'
You were trying to help me understand the difference between Myclass.value and objectname.value i think
west epoch
!e ```py
class MyClass:
value = 'abc'
print(MyClass.value)```
Here in example1 it doesn't throw an error for myclass.value
rotund scaffold
!e
```py
class PyClass():
def __init__(self, value):
self.value = value
o...
this block
west epoch
!e ```py
class MyClass:
def __init__(self):
self.value = 'abc'
inst...
I follow this where it throws an error
ashen plinth
it's okay. I am still trying to process why it doesn't throw error in first scenario where we have not created an instance/object yet for the class Myclass
somber heath
!e ```py
class MyClass:
value = 'default'
def switch(self):
self.value = 'switched'
instance = MyClass()
print('a', instance.value)
instance.switch()
print('b', instance.value)
print('c', MyClass.value)```
wise cargoBOT
@somber heath :white_check_mark: Your 3.11 eval job has completed with return code 0.
001 | a default
002 | b switched
003 | c default
You mean Scoping?
ashen plinth
can we say after line 5 instance = Myclass(), then self.value is evaluated to instance.value?
somber heath
ashen plinth
and then after line 8 instance.switch(), then self.value is evaluated to instance.switch.value ?
vocal basin
TIL __get__ only gets called if it's defined
west epoch
Yeah, Scoping is important. I know some basics, but not very confident on scoping concept
vocal basin
If any of those methods are defined for an object, it is said to be a descriptor.
west epoch
TIL `__get__` only gets called if it's defined
Sorry, what is the double underscore __ get __ point. Can you please explain
vocal basin
!e
object().__get__
@vocal basin :x: Your 3.11 eval job has completed with return code 1.
001 | Traceback (most recent call last):
002 | File "/home/main.py", line 1, in <module>
003 | object().__get__
004 | AttributeError: 'object' object has no attribute '__get__'. Did you mean: '__ge__'?
the place you will it encounter most often is method calls
whole bear
opalmist r u free anytime cuz i need to learn some basics of python cuz i am new to it
somber heath
!resources
wise cargoBOT
somber heath
Corey Schafer, YouTuber,playlist for Python beginners.
ashen plinth
the place you will it encounter most often is method calls
can you please elaborate a bit on get method and function call, if possible with any example
whole bear
oh thank you!
vocal basin
!e
class C:
def m(self):
pass
print(C.m)
print(C().m)
print(C.__dict__['m'].__get__(C(), C))
@vocal basin :white_check_mark: Your 3.11 eval job has completed with return code 0.
001 | <function C.m at 0x7fca8cfe8680>
002 | <bound method C.m of <__main__.C object at 0x7fca8d04c310>>
003 | <bound method C.m of <__main__.C object at 0x7fca8d04c350>>
last two lines do the same, but the last one is desugared
!e
class C:
def m(self):
pass
print(C.m)
print(C.__dict__['m'].__get__(None, C))
print(C().m)
print(C.__dict__['m'].__get__(C(), C))
@vocal basin :white_check_mark: Your 3.11 eval job has completed with return code 0.
001 | <function C.m at 0x7f6eebec8680>
002 | <function C.m at 0x7f6eebec8680>
003 | <bound method C.m of <__main__.C object at 0x7f6eebccc2d0>>
004 | <bound method C.m of <__main__.C object at 0x7f6eebccc310>>
with desugaring for first thing too
whole bear
opalmist can u accept my frnd req? so i can dm you when i get stuck in python
vocal basin
you can just ask here or in #1035199133436354600
whole bear
ty
rotund scaffold
Hey @rugged root Any idea when the CodeJam for this year is ? Or which channel to get in touch with. GameJam has a channel none for Codejam
whole bear
is pycharm good for programming??
vocal basin
https://docs.python.org/3/reference/datamodel.html?customizing-attribute-access#...
still not sure what this does
vocal basin
is pycharm good for programming??
yes
super() is one of the weirdest objects in Python, imo
there's, like, so much obscure stuff combined
well, it's somewhere in-between
whole bear
okay
vocal basin
!e
class C:
def __init__(self):
print(super())
print(type(super()))
C()
rugged root
wise cargoBOT
@vocal basin :white_check_mark: Your 3.11 eval job has completed with return code 0.
001 | <super: <class 'C'>, <C object>>
002 | <class 'super'>
okay
vocal basin
> <class 'super'>
^ this thing
rugged root
I.... huh
rugged root
Is it like a wrapper?
vocal basin
it lives in some sense by the same rules as .__name attributes
(when called without arguments)
because it "knows" the class context it gets invoked in
you still probably should specify those attributes if you ever choose to inherit from two classes
west epoch
it lives in some sense by the same rules as `.__name` attributes
I am not following this point. May i know What is this in context to?
vocal basin
!e
class C:
def __init__(self):
self.__something
C()
@vocal basin :x: Your 3.11 eval job has completed with return code 1.
001 | Traceback (most recent call last):
002 | File "/home/main.py", line 5, in <module>
003 | C()
004 | File "/home/main.py", line 3, in __init__
005 | self.__something
006 | AttributeError: 'C' object has no attribute '_C__something'
appends _ClassName to the start of the attribute name
west epoch
Do you mean it prepends _classname to the attribute name when we use "." ? [actually "" just double underscore, without the dot]
vocal basin
with some nuances in terms of how it handles the name
#bot-commands message
#bot-commands message
value.__attribute is handled differently, compared to value.attribute and value.__attribute__
west epoch
Okay
dense ibex
do you have a degree in computer science more specifically ai?
nimble epoch
do you have a degree in computer science more specifically ai?
me? No, and n o
I am very keen to learn though
dense ibex
you need to understand the underlying mathethamatics to ever begin to understand how to create your own models
vocal basin
only to some extent
I'd draw the line somewhere between knowing what derivative of a certain activation function is and actually proving it
(for example)
nimble epoch
you need to understand the underlying mathethamatics to ever begin to understand...
Yeah, I am reading up from the deeplearningbook.org
dense ibex
there was a good book one of the admins here linked me which would actually be a good tool for self teaching
lemme see if i can find the link
nimble epoch
lemme see if i can find the link
oh that would be great thanks!
full salmon
there was a good book one of the admins here linked me which would actually be a...
Thank you for sharing this!
dense ibex
yeah it's a great tool I've seen some of the ebook
nimble epoch
https://nnfs.io/
Oh fantastic! Thanks a lot!
west epoch
yeah it's a great tool I've seen some of the ebook
You mean the 3/4 pages of the book on the website or is there a ebook link?
dense ibex
no my friend has it and he screen shared it
west epoch
Okay:)
vocal basin
in Factorio trains don't wear out/break down, right?
dense ibex
nope
vocal basin
in OpenTTD they do
I haven't played either of those two games long enough to properly understand how to use trains
the only recent change I remember is them changing how rivers are generated
yes, you can
you can choose between two or three main packs
wind raptor
Hey all π
rugged root
Yo
vocal basin
OpenTTD also changed how they distribute binaries for Linux, so a relatively popular docker image of it no longer builds
amber raptor
OpenTTD also changed how they distribute binaries for Linux, so a relatively pop...
Sounds like DockerFile maintainer problem
vocal basin
actually yes
rugged root
vocal basin
OpenTTD Dockerfile is relatively simple to put together now, compared to earlier
just unpack the archive, move things where necessary, done
battlebit has cosmetic dlcs
wait, how many players can one OpenTTD server handle?
somewhere near 256
255
rugged root
Multiplayer Tycoon games just don't make sense to me
vocal basin
I think if it's cooperative it's not much different from singleplayer
amber raptor
It's competitive in OpenTTD
vocal basin
πΊπΈ we're bring democracy to local life πΊπΈ
rugged root
Freedom the FUCK out of it
vocal basin
"why avoid polluting the local environment if you can just convince the locals it's better for them?"
rugged root
And take their one singular fish
Interesting. There's a potential reason why the fish is required.
nimble epoch
https://nnfs.io/
oh shoot it's expensive
rugged root
Since it's tough to automate raw fish, it makes it tough to make fucktons of Spidertrons on the regular
amber raptor
Since it's tough to automate raw fish, it makes it tough to make fucktons of Spi...
maybe that's why they did it
rugged root
Yeah, seems purely to be a balance thing
nimble epoch
Hello again Mr Hemlock
vocal basin
realistic and reasonable balancing mechanism
rugged root
Hello
nimble epoch
What do you do?
rugged root
I do IT
rugged root
Yeppers. I enjoy it
rugged root
Fair
rugged root
Always loved computers and fixing them. Although it wasn't my original major
That was Mass Communications: Radio/TV
vocal basin
Symantec -> NortonLifeLock -> Gen
rugged root
I was at one college that had a studio on campus, so there was a lot of hands on stuff there. But when I switched, there wasn't, so it became all just theory and not application
It put me off of it, so I swapped to Computer Information Systems
Since the mass comm route I was aiming for the tech side anyway
rugged root
Eh....
I mean it gave me tons of tools, but IT always makes you think on your feet anyway
nimble epoch
Uh huh
rugged root
In fairness I only got my associates
I went to like 6 different colleges across 3 different states. Lot of moving, a lot of transferred credits being turned into elective credits, so a lot of lost progress
I just couldn't handle it anymore
nimble epoch
Wow
rugged root
Having like 100+ credit hours in electives really takes the wind out from under your wings
nimble epoch
Rabbit sounds like a very interesting person
rugged root
He's knowledgable
amber raptor
vocal basin
steps to get caught:
write everything down
brag
rugged root
True
amber raptor
Basically
nimble epoch
Hahahahahaha
frosty star
haay
nimble epoch
why is it so quiet π
rugged root
Talking with our IT
nimble epoch
You're at work?
rugged root
Yep
nimble epoch
@dense ibex do you work with deep learning models?
lavish rover
@rugged root
for x : vec.iter()
or
for x in vec.iter()
is first anywhere other than C++?
lavish rover
Ocen currently lol
wind raptor
vocal basin
in iterates over all members
of iterates correctly
frosty star
haay
vocal basin
something went very wrong
(same plots as earlier, but now on Rust repo)
and different commit ordering
rugged root
@viscid scaffold #career-advice
viscid scaffold
ty
I come here to ask for help, I have an interview in a couple of days but I am not native speaker, I would like to play some kind of role where someone interviews me
frosty star
euh
are they tho
oooh
i tried to learn japanese and then I gave up
cinamon tree
rugged root
Weird right?
frosty star
yeh
vocal basin
"extroverts" -- quite an assumption
frosty star
I'm here because it is really the most interesting voice chat in the whole of discord
nimble epoch
Nobody said introverts don't have friends
Lmao nice one
Shades of grey
like 50 shades
frosty star
I'm becoming more extroverted as I grow older. These days I can maintain eye contact AND do small conversations.
it's wild.
nimble epoch
it's wild.
is it though
rugged root
0x50 Shades of Gray
frosty star
is it though
it's like. what will I do next.
somber heath
!e py print(int('50', 16))
nimble epoch
it's like. what will I do next.
just smile and wave
lavish rover
wise cargoBOT
@somber heath :white_check_mark: Your 3.11 eval job has completed with return code 0.
80
frosty star
do u guys use github or gitlab
nimble epoch
git clone
nimble epoch
https://tenor.com/view/meme-memes-memes2022funny-meme-face-punch-gif-25436787
.
.
sorry I'm just trying to get the gif out of my screen
vocal basin
in Rust, you can define a funtion inside another function
but that's just scoping
in, like, namespace sense
it's still not closure
rugged root
!stream 271317820812427265
wise cargoBOT
β @polar cedar can now stream until <t:1688401762:f>.
nimble epoch
in Rust, you can define a funtion inside another function
like in javascript
vocal basin
like in javascript
no
fn function declarations in Rust don't involve closures
function function declarations in JS do
last is true for def and lambda in Python
frosty star
yeah i dont think anyone can avoid devops completely these days
haha ok i take that back
frosty star
it's just too many ... configurations
rugged root
@polar cedar Can you change your stream quality to better text readability mode?
vocal basin
it's just too many ... configurations
yaml yaml yaml
frosty star
love that
rugged root
@elfin bone It's typically better to ask your question in here or in the help system (see #βο½how-to-get-help for more details on that) so that more eyes can see the problem and help you
vocal basin
someone will definitely end up making another SGML derivative trying to fix YAML
yasgmld
yet another sgml derivative
XML is one of things that evolved from SGML
also HTML
frosty star
pfft
vocal basin
frosty star
the vc after midnight is so nice I should stay up more often
vocal basin
> DSSSL (ISO/IEC 10179) β Document processing and styling language based on ...
> scheme
domain-specific-specific-specific language
neon vigil
vocal basin
also need to un-collapse the category if that's the case
gentle flint
the vc after midnight is so nice I should stay up more often
cuz the Europeans have finished supper and the Americans are all awake
vocal basin
what is there anything now other than Sphinx and MkDocs?
gentle flint
uh
something else
willow light
# there is always markdown
but I forgot what it's called
rugged root
willow light
oh so markdown doesn't auto render on here. π¦
willow light
well aren't you special
gentle flint
gitbook I think
willow light
Just use Obsidian Publish.
gentle flint
oh so markdown doesn't auto render on here. π¦
it absolutely does
rugged root
willow light
vocal basin
gitbook I think
Python-centric I meant
not sure if this describe mkdocs well, though
gentle flint
not really
frosty star
that's what my mom says abt my room
willow light
I am going to make a "basic python for java and javascript developers" guide in Obsidian Publish at some point, intended for my coworkers.
willow light
Such as "just use black and watch as code reviews stop turning into flamewars."
neon vigil
gentle flint
Such as "just use `black` and watch as code reviews stop turning into flamewars....
precisely why we do that at work
willow light
precisely why we do that at work
My workplace looks at python the same way it looks at they/them pronouns: without understanding
vocal basin
so, just use specific commits instead of versions?
for internal development it may be okay
vocal basin
but for anything public I'd say it's cleaner to openly/plainly specify what the dependency versions are
@lavish rover rewrite mdBook in Ocen?
thing used to make Rust book
Markdown
it uses the same visual format as cargo doc, but it's a separate tool
nimble epoch
Brb there's a seal outside and I want to say hi.
?
scar tissue is good
Do you want to hear something interesting?
3 men, an idiot, a mathematician and a physicist die in a car crash and appear in front of the gates of heaven
Unfortunately, heaven is full and st peters and the devil have a hard time deciding who goes where. The devil then proposes that a challenge will be given to each of the three men.
Those who succeed will be allowed to enter heaven and those who fail would spend the rest of eternity in hell
The mathematician gets a complex math equation. Unfortunately, he fails and the devil sends him to hell
oh fuck no I butchered it
It's the other way round. Each of the three men challenge the devil. If the devil fails, they go to heaven
frosty star
aay
nimble epoch
Alright, so the mathematician gives the devil a complex equation. The devil solves it and sends the mathematician to hell
The physicist gives the devil a complex question. The devil solves that too and sends the physicist to hell
Finally it's the idiots turn
He asks the devil for a chair. With a snap of a finger a chair appears out of thin air
The idiot drills multiple holes into the chair and sits on it
neon vigil
frosty star
The idiot drills multiple holes into the chair and sits on it
then what
nimble epoch
He lets out a loud fart and asks the devil which hole the air came out of
The devil thinks for a while and takes a close look at the chair
He does some analysis and says it's the fourth hole from the right
The idiot smiles and says, "No, it came out of my a**hole" and goes to heaven
rugged root
@lavish rover Pointer video
nimble epoch
OO @lavish rover have you worked with diffusion models?
Oooh I was working on something and I've been stuck for sooo long
somber heath
nimble epoch
Have any of you used DDPMS?
ashen plinth
Also, can you please share few points related to how references (or something similar to pointers) are handled in Python
somber heath
Dictionaries.
vocal basin
Also, can you please share few points related to how references (or something si...
everything is passed by pointer already
somber heath
Hashmaps.
nimble epoch
@lavish rover hey have you used ddpms?
ashen plinth
@lavish rover could you please share the video you mentioned related to pointers
somber heath
Python does pointers so you don't have to.
vocal basin
C representation of Python object is just PyObject *
somber heath
I misunderstood and thought you were asking about variables.
vocal basin
differences are just in whether you can change stuff that pointer points to
ashen plinth
Yes, that is what i am trying yo understand as i am new go programming itself. I dont know how other languages work. So, i am trying to know how does Python handle or work with respect to references, pointers
vocal basin
in Python itself, notion of reference/pointer doesn't usually make much sense
it's when you dig into the machinery of it, where pointers appear
!d weakref
wise cargoBOT
vocal basin
!d gc
wise cargoBOT
wise cargoBOT
vocal basin
Rc in Rust, if you don't use unsafe, will at most cause a memory leak
because of recursive references
that's why this exists
https://doc.rust-lang.org/std/rc/struct.Rc.html#method.new_cyclic
nimble epoch
@lavish rover have you trained ddpms?
:(((
Mustafaaaaaa
thank you hemlock
Denoising diffusion probabilistic models
lavish rover
nimble epoch
Denoising diffusion probabilistic models
they perform better than GANs for things like image synthesis
openais repository isn't very well documented so it's a bit hard to use
Diffusion models are the future of generative ai
what's the question?
ashen plinth
https://youtu.be/-qXUYkEkDXA
Thank you
fallen quartz
How can someone join chat voice if i have a question?
rugged root
You can ask in here.
What's up?
Oh also, for details on the voice gate: #voice-verification
fallen quartz
ok thanks
desert wolf
willow light
"No Access"
west epoch
!d weakref
@vocal basin Was not aware of 'weakref', just referring to the doc. Is it possible to share any ex for this?
By default, when we use variables, functions, classes: are those referred to as 'deepref'?
wind raptor
!stream 1053732836693258391
wise cargoBOT
β @turbid sandal can now stream until <t:1688405923:f>.
nimble epoch
How do you have such a positive outlook on life mr hemlock
She leaked her password?
nimble epoch
Oh shit my bad
rugged root
@elfin bone What's your question?
elfin bone
age = int(input("How old are you?: "))
if age >= 18:
print("You are an adult!")
else: print("You are a child..")
so basically
if the person says hes a child (therefore below 18)
i want to say
You are a child, only ___ years to go!
therefore the ___ stands for the distance between 18 and the persons age
so my question is
turbid sandal
hello
elfin bone
how do i find the distance between two int on python
from the input placed by the user
did i explain that well?
rugged root
!e
age = 4
print(18-age)
@rugged root :white_check_mark: Your 3.11 eval job has completed with return code 0.
14
Same way you would do math in general
elfin bone
ohhhhhhhhhhhhh
rugged root
Ye
nimble epoch
I'm using colab and want to share a specific folder of my drive because it's a project with multiple other collaborators
fallen quartz
Where can i start learning python for free ?
elfin bone
watch yt videos
nimble epoch
Is there a way I can limit the access to only that particular folder instead of my entire drive
fallen quartz
besides youttuve
fallen quartz
any website that has like curricullm on where to start
rugged root
!resources
wise cargoBOT
elfin bone
there are
fallen quartz
ok thank you, people here are saying youtube but yotutube can be disorganized with starting points
elfin bone
hemlock
fallen quartz
crazy how so many people said youttube
elfin bone
youtubes great
lando
youtube
is good
for this
its really good
like
REALLY
good
trust me
just do it
you watch videos
and ask questions here
fallen quartz
no thanks, hey bro can you dm the website name?
wind raptor
its really good
This is getting pretty spammy. Please just write more on a line.
elfin bone
hey hemlock do you believe if all the vc worked on a website they'd finish it in a week
specifically a sales website
nimble epoch
This is getting pretty spammy. Please just write more on a line.
Hello, Chris
elfin bone
@wind raptor how do i get access to vc?
wind raptor
Hello, Chris
Hey! How are you?
wind raptor
<@373121697957543946> how do i get access to vc?
!voice
wise cargoBOT
wind raptor
You should qualify now @elfin bone just visit the channel above and follow the instructions
elfin bone
well
i should be qualified
why isn't it giving me it
can u rank me
i'm active on this server
and ask questions
im busy rn im watching hemlocks class
can u rank me
turbid sandal
wind raptor
You are right on the 3rd day, so it might just be a little later
wind raptor
No
elfin bone
fine
fallen quartz
how many days have i been here? how can i tell
wind raptor
Everyone goes through the same verification
fallen quartz
ok can you add me when you have time
ashen plinth
@rugged root#0#0 can we not pass the arguments to a function (second approach), similar to first approach using classes?
ashen plinth
For line 12 and 13 we have passed the arguments to a class
Similarly can we pass the variables of sally/billy to a function is my question and the pros/cons of it?
elfin bone
what does innit do
nimble epoch
Hemlock's voice is so comforting
echo glade
he's livin the laptop lifestyle
elfin bone
what does with do
somber heath
what does with do
It's called a context manager. It makes sure that the __enter__ and __exit__ methods of the object given to it are called, even in the event of errors. For with open, it means that the file gets closed properly, without needing to call file.close.
Safe buildup/teardown, essentially.
west epoch
@rugged root note sure if I missed your explanation earlier. can you please share the cons/pros of using a function student and then as in line 12 and 13 we pass the function arguments related to sally, billy?
Basically pros&cons of function vs classes
Yeah, I am trying to make sense of how to understand these two use cases. Or how to decide
For example, When i write my code for some code problems and have to choose between classes and functions
rugged root
Wait are you in VC
west epoch
I understand that both can be used for repeating a block of code
Sorry, my connection has some issues. I am back
nova warren
So we put in common functionality in the Base class both goblins and players should be able to attack
Will you record this stuff for those who can't make it to the end ?
ashen plinth
@rugged root could you please go over the super related point as i didn't grasp that?
somber heath
Soup or related? You decide!
ashen plinth
I mean super(). Can we please go over the super() part on this ex single inheritance example for class player
elfin bone
@rugged root if age >= 18:
print("You are an adult!")
else: print("You are a child"+", "+"only"+str(18-age))+"years to go!"
i did the 18-age
else: print("You are a child"+", "+"only"+str(18-age))+"years to go!"
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~^
TypeError: unsupported operand type(s) for +: 'NoneType' and 'str'
whole bear
what is going on
elfin bone
age = int(input("How old are you?: "))
if age >= 18:
print("You are an adult!")
else: print("You are a child, only "+str(18-age))+"years to go!"
whats the problem with the code?
somber heath
!e ```py
class A:
def init(self):
print('A')
class B(A):
def init(self):
super().init() # A is printed
print('B')
b = B()```
wise cargoBOT
@somber heath :white_check_mark: Your 3.11 eval job has completed with return code 0.
001 | A
002 | B
)
elfin bone
?
age = int(input("How old are you?: "))
if age >= 18:
print("You are an adult!")
else: print("You are a child, only "+str(18-age))+"years to go!"
gentle flint
Β°vΒ°
gentle flint
i know some
gentle flint
indentation
gentle flint
and parentheses position
gentle flint
well
start by posting it properly because I can't read it properly like this
wise cargoBOT
elfin bone
!e age = int(input("How old are you?: "))
if age >= 18:
print("You are an adult!")
else: print("You are a child, only "+str(18-age))+"years to go!"
wise cargoBOT
@elfin bone :x: Your 3.11 eval job has completed with return code 1.
:warning: Note: input is not supported by the bot :warning:
001 | How old are you?: Traceback (most recent call last):
002 | File "/home/main.py", line 1, in <module>
003 | age = int(input("How old are you?: "))
004 | ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
005 | EOFError: EOF when reading a line
you can't run input in the discord bot
you don't have an interface to input it into
elfin bone
else: print("You are a child, only "+str(18-age))+str(" years to go!")
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~^
TypeError: unsupported operand type(s) for +: 'NoneType' and 'str'
so basically
i need to add str
to youare a child
?
but its already an str
gentle flint
you're closing your print statement too soon
before the last +
count them and you'll see
elfin bone
age = int(input("How old are you?: "))
if age >= 18:
print("You are an adult!")
else: print("You are a child, only "+str(18-age)) +str(" years to go!"))
im not sure what ur trying to say
can u fix the position so i can understand bc
next to the +
the last one
i still see no problem
gentle flint
what you have right now is this
age = int(input("How old are you?: "))
if age >= 18:
print("You are an adult!")
else:
print("You are a child, only "+str(18-age)) +str(" years to go!"))
yes
gentle flint
the problem is in your last line
print("You are a child, only "+str(18-age)) +str(" years to go!"))
# ^ you're closing your print statement here already
yes
but where
is the problem
thats what i dont get
i know its the last line but im not sure where
ashen plinth
!e ```py
class A:
def __init__(self):
print('A')
class B(A):
de...
Point1: Basically when we pass a classA as an argument into another classB using class classBname(classAname) , Then this means class B extends class A (similar to other languages where we use extend keyword).
elfin bone
oh
age = int(input("How old are you?: "))
if age >= 18:
print("You are an adult!")
else: print("You are a child, only "+str(18-age)+str(" years to go!"))
this better?
gentle flint
yes
gentle flint
except you don't need the last str()
gentle flint
because it's already a string
gentle flint
np
somber heath
!fstring @elfin bone
wise cargoBOT
gentle flint
!fstring <@715259748504698924>
one thing at a time, perhaps
ashen plinth
!e ```py
class A:
def __init__(self):
print('A')
class B(A):
de...
Point2: when super keyword is used, compiler will firat look for it the parent class. Basically parent class takes precedence is it?
@mr.hemlock @somber heath can i please know if my understanding in point1 and 2 is correct?
gentle flint
Easier to read.
that doesn't change the fact that if you cram in everything at once nothing will stick
elfin bone
plus i prefer when theres a big mess
gentle flint
plus i prefer when theres a big mess
now that is a bad reason
elfin bone
b/c it reminds me of my soul... im emo...
somber heath
Half the problem was the concatenation.
gentle flint
Half the problem was the concatenation.
the problem was the parentheses
elfin bone
my love..
gentle flint
what the fuck
elfin bone
reminds me of my
dark
emo
soul
....................
my meo soul.........
my emo.........
gentle flint
meo
elfin bone
im so emoo... so goth
gentle flint
meow
gentle flint
cool
rugged root
elfin bone
good with python
and be able to become
bill gates
jk
hey guys
do u believe if the entire vc
somber heath
Step away from the enter key.
gentle flint
I think in about 2 minutes you'll be warned if you keep spamming single sentences in a gazillion messages
elfin bone
worked together
wai ok
wait
if the entire vc worked together
do you think they can recreate amazon in less than 2 weeks
gentle flint
and maybe even take over amazon
that requires money, not programming knowledge
elfin bone
ok wait
how
explain
other than getting
investors
and getting products
if you have a finished website
you can somewhat easily get
investors
gentle flint
doubt
elfin bone
maybe not great
investors
but small
but do u think
the vc can
recreate amazon
in less than 2 weeks
the website in general
gentle flint
peradventure
cosmic lark
blah_the_second.py
elfin bone
shut up @cosmic lark
cosmic lark
peradventure
pwnadventure
cosmic lark
shut up <@411031233364099072>
no u
wind raptor
Stop the spam @elfin bone
elfin bone
ok fine
toxic arch
@rugged root are you recreating Shantae: Risky's Revenge in python?
elfin bone
im going to ban you too chris
can i get admin?
so i can ban
people
also this isn't bad spam its only a few lines
toxic arch
if you need any values i can tell you
wind raptor
also this isn't bad spam its only a few lines
It's burying any other conversation
elfin bone
@rugged root i got a question, what does the moderator badge on ur discord profile mean
@wind raptor can i get vc now
ashen plinth
:=
ashen plinth
+=
cosmic lark
<@373121697957543946> can i get vc now
no
wind raptor
<@373121697957543946> can i get vc now
It's not like a vote thing
cosmic lark
plzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz can i get vc now
no
elfin bone
lets vote people
cosmic lark
ok so when can i get vc
!voice veriy
wise cargoBOT
cosmic lark
and <@411031233364099072> stop spamming
after u
ashen plinth
Keyword args kwargs
gentle flint
if (x := some_expensive_function()) != 3:
y += x
what does the function = too
to
somber heath
!e py print((text := 'abc')) print(text)
wise cargoBOT
@somber heath :white_check_mark: Your 3.11 eval job has completed with return code 0.
001 | abc
002 | abc
= doesn't even occur in that code
indigo crag
gentle flint
a conversation
somber heath
Hemlock is explaining Python concepts.
elfin bone
the variable
gentle flint
@elfin bone you are not making sense
cosmic lark
!e
lambda x : print(x)
@cosmic lark :warning: Your 3.11 eval job has completed with return code 0.
[No output]
sadge
ashen plinth
Keyword args kwargs
@whole bear yes, that is the basic concept of kwargs
elfin bone
try sending one single message containing your entire sentence
look
basically
what im trying to tell you
is that, there is a variable named some_expensive_function
some_expensive_function stands for something, right? like it can stand for a tree or the amount of people in a class
what does some_expensive_function stand for
gentle flint
oh, a function which takes a long time to execute
any function, it doesn't really matter what
elfin bone
ok wait
plome
do you know how to make a calculator that will calculate the digits of pi
ashen plinth
@rugged root Sorry, the sentence was interrupted. I didn't follow what is the pint about single quotes that was just being made?
gentle flint
do you know how to make a calculator that will calculate the digits of pi
!e
import math
print(math.pi)
@gentle flint :white_check_mark: Your 3.11 eval job has completed with return code 0.
3.141592653589793
.
elfin bone
that will go on forever
wind raptor
!timeout 715259748504698924 1h You were asked multiple times to stop splitting your sentence into 2-3 word lines, as it is spammy. Take a break.
wise cargoBOT
:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied timeout to @elfin bone until <t:1688414684:f> (1 hour).
gentle flint
@elfin bone if you continue DMing me I will block you
I do not provide help via DMs
@whole bear that's some weird game you're playing
ashen plinth
@rugged root can you please share the shortkey that you used to correct the multi cursor at end of line or something like this ( but basically multiple line editing)?
whole bear
is there an issue or something?
gentle flint
whole bear
@gentle flint
gentle flint
was just surprised
whole bear
was just surprised
oh ok
rugged root
!stream 651519394673065989
wise cargoBOT
β @whole bear can now stream until <t:1688412005:f>.
lavish rover
<@715259748504698924> if you continue DMing me I will block you
Same
echo glade
thanks for going through that with us @rugged root
fallen quartz
wfh today & the market closed early today so was able to join early today
vocal basin
self, *, ...
^ makes you use kwarg syntax only
!e
def f(a, b = None, /, *, c, d=None):
pass
@vocal basin :warning: Your 3.11 eval job has completed with return code 0.
[No output]
"This person is in the voice chat and is voice verified, therefore I am somehow going to assume that their DMs are open."
If I had a nickel for every time I experienced that on here, I could retire already.
rugged root
Back on in a moment, delivery run
vocal basin
Python has a different model of types/polymorphism compared to Java/C#
duck typing is more pythonic
!d typing.Protocol
wise cargoBOT
vocal basin
^ if you ever wish to express duck typed methods more strictly
!e
from typing import Protocol
class DuckLike(Protocol):
def quack(self) -> None: ...
# class Duck(DuckLike)
class Duck:
def quack(self) -> None:
print("quack")
class FakeDuck:
def quack(self) -> None:
print("quackn't")
def quack_twice(duck: DuckLike):
duck.quack()
quack_twice(Duck())
quack_twice(FakeDuck())
@vocal basin :white_check_mark: Your 3.11 eval job has completed with return code 0.
001 | quack
002 | quackn't
works for everything is Any
lavish rover
that's just interfaces, i want DUCK TYPE
vocal basin
!e
```py
from typing import Protocol
class DuckLike(Protocol):
def quack(se...
most of the time you wouldn't even have DuckLike
lavish rover
i want my type checker quacking at me
vocal basin
that's just interfaces, i want DUCK TYPE
somewhere between interfaces, traits and neither
lavish rover
worst of both worlds, specify everything and not have it enforced
vocal basin
interfaces, the way they are in C#/Java, need to be listed when you declare the class
rugged root
Bourne Supremacy
lavish rover
my templates are duck typed come @ me
vocal basin
C++ supremacy
supremaC++
lavish rover
why did I laugh
vocal basin
def quack_twice(duck):
duck.quack()
quack_twice(Duck())
quack_twice(FakeDuck())
if it has quack implemented, it's an instance of DuckLike, as far as type system is concerned
!e
def quack_twice(duck):
duck.quack()
quack_twice("duck")
@vocal basin :x: Your 3.11 eval job has completed with return code 1.
001 | Traceback (most recent call last):
002 | File "/home/main.py", line 4, in <module>
003 | quack_twice("duck")
004 | File "/home/main.py", line 2, in quack_twice
005 | duck.quack()
006 | ^^^^^^^^^^
007 | AttributeError: 'str' object has no attribute 'quack'
lucid blade
vocal basin
@lucid blade
gentle flint
this is exactly me
elfin bone
how do i make a calculator
lucid blade
π
vocal basin
!d decimal
wise cargoBOT
vocal basin
if you want arbitrary precision
you should use something other than Python
for example, Wolfram (Mathematica)
or specialised system
arbitrary, dynamic precision is not something simple
wind raptor
pi
Next timeout is a day. Please don't spam the chat.
Is it that hard to use sentences without hitting enter between every word?
lucid blade
yes, kind of, sometimes, but i prefer editing messages
elfin bone
Next timeout is a day. Please don't spam the chat.
shut up bro @vocal basin just sent like 8 messages bro
can you shut the fuck up actually
youre getting really targeting as if i'm the bad guy here
im just trying to learn and you're being fucking annoying
vocal basin
shut up bro <@264054779888533515> just sent like 8 messages bro
I'm not breaking sentences after each word.
elfin bone
ok fine
vocal basin
can you shut the fuck up actually
!rule 3
wise cargoBOT
elfin bone
ill respect him if he stops targeting me,
a guy made a racist remark a few minutes ago
and he didn't do anything to him
elfin bone
im reading the doc u sent me @vocal basin
rugged root
For Cython sure
elfin bone
very helpful
rugged root
But that's a special case
gentle flint
https://www.bol.com/nl/nl/p/mok-koffiemok-schedel-patronen-punk-cartoon-mokken-350-ml-beker-koffiemokken-theemok/9300000089520196/
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elfin bone
what is that?
ashen plinth
My vote for 2nd one as well!
gentle flint
what is that?
the two options for my sister's birthday present
wind raptor
youre getting really targeting as if i'm the bad guy here
I wasn't targeting you. You were the only one spamming 2-3 word messages in the chat in quick succession and other people were getting annoyed. I asked you to stop and you didn't. I feel like I've given you plenty of leeway here. At this point, you choose your own destiny.
p.s. I don't see everything in text chat because I'm not always watching it. If you feel like reporting something, you can use the mod tag to call something out.
vocal basin
Cython has its own new/del methods specifically for allocation/deallocation
I forgot the names, turns out
it's cinit and dealloc
meanwhile the delivery instructions:
ashen plinth
What lang or code is this?
ashen plinth
Considering this group is beginner friendly, many questions could have been stupid I guess!
vocal basin
encoding issue
koi-8 to iso-8859-1
lavish rover
vocal basin
pseudocode is meant to be understandable by humans
cinder dawn
who burger
vocal basin
English
ashen plinth
encoding issue
@vocal basin Which sort of encoding or language is this?
vocal basin
<@264054779888533515> Which sort of encoding or language is this?
"no, I will not fix your compiler"
lavish rover
latent steppe
Wack a Penguin: How to take all your frustrations with Arch out
vocal basin
especially
gentle flint
elfin bone
I wasn't targeting you. You were the only one spamming 2-3 word messages in the ...
You muted me exactly when the racist talk was coming in
on the same channel
vocal basin
oh, the memes start only at the second page of aliexpress search
why is there so many with Python logo
well, obviously, because ones with Rust logo aren't allowed
@gentle flint @lavish rover
elfin bone
@vocal basin it say "infinity" is a code in python (i want to calcualte digits of pi)
but when i write it in
nothing appears
gentle flint
vocal basin
<@473859714162360320> <@378279228002664454>
I like how there's no product title
