web-development

[dusk portal]

i feel noob

when i ask simple things

i work as a freelancer im good at django and done same thing in different use case

but when then too when i ask then i feel bad

[ionic raft]

Perseverance.
I'm a 50 year old business consultant with 25+ years experience, and 12+ years as a visual developer with SharePoint/Nintex Workflow. That experience has given me a headstart with many things.

[dusk portal]

i have done same thing but in

different model

then too im facing errors

thats disappointing

[ionic raft]

Well, I will say this. As frustrating as a pile of errors are, they're actually the greatest teachers. Persist, tackle each one at a time, and see a changing error message as progress.

You know, I spent two days on an error where I had a : but needed =
Seriously...2 days!

[dusk portal]

ohh

[ionic raft]

I was close to tearing my hair out. Brutal one. Even pro developers missed it. In the end, I actually spotted it where a pro missed it. Coding is demanding as a science.

[dusk portal]

im 16

and u're 50

u r older then my father

[ionic raft]

Yah. And I've 34 more years experience with analysis, and problem solving

[dusk portal]

ohh

u're gr8

[ionic raft]

Don't compare yourself to others. Compare yourself to yourself. If you solved a problem better this time, then you're growing.

I've also spent decades as a coach/mentor to other analysts. I happen to be a decent educator and communicator.

[dusk portal]

umm that time i took 2-3 days

i took some mins this time

and case was different

[ionic raft]

Right. Whether the time is faster, or the solution is more elegant, or both, progress is progress. And then before you know it, you're helping others.

I am still learning that most errors can be understood with a trace for example. Nowadays I'm more likely to find the cause of the problem and research it before I ask a question here.

[dusk portal]

ohh

u leart rest framework

??

[ionic raft]

I learned how to query the DB. I purely use Object.objects.filter().condition and get the data I need with .includes/.excludes/.values_lists etc.
I don't know whether that's the REST Framework though

PyCharm taught me alot about what I can do for querying the DB through the ORM

OK. I really have to go. Take care bruh 🙂

[dusk portal]

ohk

[rotund perch]

Hello, how to make a FK automatically connect to the table in another model. For example, making a blog with a FK of a user which is an author, but the problem is whenever I want to create a blog I have to asign the user, is there a way to make the user automatically asigned?

NOTE: I USE SERIALIZERS (REST FRAMEWORK)

[rare lagoon]

I'm really lost with web development, I will first learn HTML, CSS and Js, then what?

[autumn hedge]

@rare lagoon then learn about databases + servers

[opaque rivet]

can't you include the user in the request and have the serializer accept it as a field?

[rotund perch]

can u show me an example bcuz am trying but cant get it

[opaque rivet]

I need to see your model

and your serializer

[rotund perch]

Okay

views.py

def ProductCreate(request):
  serializer = ProductSerializer(data=request.data) #request.data = request.POST | Sends JSON Object

  data={

  }
  print(request.user.id)
  if request.data['seller'] == request.user.id:

    if serializer.is_valid():
        product = serializer.save()
        # data['seller'] = request.user.id
        data['title'] = product.title
        data['price'] = product.price
        data['description'] = product.description

  return Response(data)

serializer.py of Product

from rest_framework import serializers
from .models import *
from Account.models import MyUser

class ProductSerializer(serializers.ModelSerializer):  
  class Meta:
    model = Product
    fields = '__all__'

models.py of Product

from django.db import models
from Account.models import MyUser


# Create your models here.

class Product(models.Model):
  title = models.CharField(max_length=200)
  description = models.TextField(max_length=500)
  price = models.DecimalField(max_digits=5, decimal_places=2)
  seller = models.ForeignKey(MyUser, on_delete=models.CASCADE)

[opaque rivet]

In request.data (the request data from your frontend), include data about the seller, e.g. {"seller": "pk_of_MyUser_object"}

[rotund perch]

so I can do it automatically in the front end?

[opaque rivet]

yep

[ionic raft]

That's an important question. Web development has two main components: Front end, and back end. I have been told that the rarer snowflakes are those that develop both the back-end and front-end. They're called, Full-Stack Developers.

The front end concerns what the user sees. HTML gives a web page structure, css gives a page style (how it looks), and js allows you extend behaviour (what happens when you click things).

The back end concerns coding (such as Python in a Framework such as Flask or Django) on the application layer to build web pages (to send to the front-end) and manipulating data in the Database (such as the user's profile).

I would start simple. In order to really play with html and css you're likely to benefit from learning a simple Framework such as Flask. When you learn Flask you'll see how it leads you to create the templates (html page) and serves them up. Flask is also a web server.

css will become important when you want to have a page that doesn't look like it was coded in 1996. 😄 JS is less important at first, where simple functionality where interaction with the user (or a consistent, dynamic UX) is not important. I'd worry about JS later.

I started python Apr 2021, and Flask in June and Django in July. I'm now about 25,000 lines of code into my first web project. I started with tutorials. But they're only suitable if you make sure to apply their concepts a few times to ground the knowledge. Reading from a book will take you deep into concepts, but the lack of videos walking you through and explaining concepts can be challenging. A boot camp (from a site such as Udemy) will be better than a tutorial because the good boot camps will come with projects for you to work on.

In the end, your learning style should determine how you learn. Whatever the case, best of luck. I find coding to be tons of fun!

[opaque rivet]

can anybody explain why my nginx service is not proxying my request to my backend service?

# ./nginx/default.conf
upstream backend {
    server backend:8000;
}

server {
    listen 80;
    location / {
        proxy_pass http://backend;
    }
}

# ./docker-compose.yml
nginx:
    image: nginx
    volumes:
      - ./nginx/default.conf:/etc/nginx/conf.d/default.conf

[ionic raft]

Do you have an nginx dockerfile?

I'm no pro at this, but I've got one for the nginx build.

[opaque rivet]

no, using official nginx image

thought I only need a default.conf and that's it. what's your default.conf looking like?

[ionic raft]

I'm just scanning. My config has an app and DB server...trying to work out the best way to share...

It is also setup for SSL as well...

[opaque rivet]

it would help. I don't know nginx well.

[ionic raft]

The first part that seems most aligned is ```upstream django {
server web:8000;
}

server {
listen 3999;

server_name _;
return 301 https://$host$request_uri;

}```

[opaque rivet]

that proxies the request?

[ionic raft]

I believe so. Just looking at other files. I got a lot of help building this...so like I said, I'm not the best pro.

[opaque rivet]

hmmm... a bit confusing from that snippet

[ionic raft]

There's also a listen dict on 4000 ssl. That has the location of media and static too.

[opaque rivet]

Ok interesting:

upstream backend {
    server backend:8000;
}

server {
    listen 80;
    location / {
        proxy_pass http://backend;
    }
}```

If I visit `127.0.0.1`, the request is proxied to `backend`. However, if I visit `0.0.0.0`, it is not. Any ideas why?

[quick cargo]

0.0.0.0 isnt actually a valid ip

its used by your pc to essentially say "bind to all external addresses"

[opaque rivet]

hmm, could you explain what "bind to all external addresses" means, please?

[quick cargo]

Tldr any addresses assigned to your machine

Typically its onky one

Like 192.168.0.1 etc...

That exposes the server to the open network (normally your LAN unless you port forward on your router)

[native tide]

by "assign to all" you can think of it as allowing "all" computers to send requests to yours via any interface you have

whether its cable (ethernet), wifi or localhost meaning your own machine

[opaque rivet]

hmm, yeah, I know it in the context of docker containers, running django on 127.0.0.1:8000, other containers cannot send http requests to it. However if I run it on 0.0.0.0:8000, they can.

makes sense in that way I guess.

[native tide]

unsure about that

if you bind your server to 127.0.0.1:8000 then any process on your machine

will be able to access that

host:port pair

[quick cargo]

Nah docker network has each container in its own 'local machine'

[native tide]

yeah must be it

[quick cargo]

So each container network is essentially contained in itself

[opaque rivet]

It's like different virtual machines talking to eachother

[native tide]

yeah but virtual machines are different than processes (or simply running programs on your machine)

in that they are way more restricted

[wicked tide]

Where would I ask some questions about the Django Rest Framework? I'm kinda having issues understanding how to structure my code for different parts of my frontend.

Like I have Location models but I'd like to get different fields at different times. I find delivering all the information at one time for any request (even if it's not needed) is inefficient. But I can't find any information about selective fields. Unsure if this means I just make more Serializers for it or...?

[vestal hound]

here

[vestal hound]

depends on your abstraction

there are 3 simple ways to do this

1. just send everything
2. make many serializers
3. create a serializer that lets you choose which fields you want to send @ runtime

[vestal hound]

how inefficient is inefficient?

have you verified that it actually matters?

[wicked tide]

I don't know really. This is my first time I've built a REST framework in Django properly and unsure.

It's a photo serving site with a Location page with a Race model under that, a Gallery model under that, and a Photo model under that.

[vestal hound]

until, and unless, you verify that it's a problem, don't worry about it

[wicked tide]

Location > Race > Gallery > Photo
Location would show all recent races which just needs a name, id and thumbnail ordered by date.
Also Gallerys too, same thing.

[vestal hound]

premature optimisation is the root of all evil

hold up

what is race

[wicked tide]

not like ethnicity. like a Motocross race

Vehicular

I do photography lol

[vestal hound]

huh.

then what if

[vestal hound]

you want to have galleries from multiple races?

for that matter, can there be photos not in galleries?

or in multiple galleries?

[wicked tide]

Photos will always be in Galleries.

Galleries will usually be in Races, but not always (I will support people uploading pictures from Practices)

Galleries will ALWAYS be under a location though, at minimum, either through gallery.location or gallery.race.location

[vestal hound]

how many different ways of displaying locations do you think you will have

[wicked tide]

They will be listed and viewed directly. Also I guess each photo, race and gallery will need the name and ID from the location it's attributed to.

[vestal hound]

no, more like...

[vestal hound]

how many serializers do you think you'd need to create

for the same model

[wicked tide]

Two. One for viewing directly and one for a Gallery Thumbnail version.

Maybe three, at worst?

Only one of them needs to write anyways, the rest can be read_only ofc.

['uuid', 'name', ...(all other fields)]
['uuid', 'name', 'base64_thumb'] # <--- if I decide to use base64 thumbs, then the third one would be needed just so I'm not sending a bunch of data unnessecarily.
['uuid', 'name', 'hyperlink'] # <--- This one might not need the hyperlink anyways, I think Vue Router just needs the ID based on how I think it functions.
```maybe?

[vestal hound]

yeah, that's fine, but

are there a lot of fields

[wicked tide]

currently*

[astral pagoda]

hey can someone help me in help in #help-orange its a flask question

[native tide]

Hello, I have question

I am new with http response and request

I wonder how to access data from the GET method and how to reach the Host

[inland oak]

pip install requests

import requests

def make_request():
  resp = requests.get("http://your_target.com/url_to_request")

  if resp.status_code >= 400:
    print(f"Huston, we have a problem # {resp.status_code}")
    return

  print(resp.body) # accessing unformated data
  print(resp.json()) # accessing JSON formated data.

[native tide]

Thank you thank you thank you thank you my friend

I am very tired right now so I sleep but I’ll use this tommorow

May you be blessed for taking your time to assist me

[ionic raft]

Well, converted a Django Inline Formset into an htmx dynamic form. WOW...is it ever better that way.
Bit of a trek to get there. ..but can update and delete child records to the parent inline! 🙂

The default Inline Formset basically requires you to go into the child form, renders the child records you have, allows you to have preset extras...and if you need more, you need to save out and come back in again.
This for me is the holy grail of forms. Repeating forms...with very little JS! 😄
HTMX is...powerful.

[lapis stratus]

Hello any Django devleoper in here?

I've been stuck for 3 days in the 400 error whenever I send a post request

[inland oak]

Debug=True in order to see more detailed error

[lapis stratus]

It's already in true

[inland oak]

not enough details then

from where to where request

[ionic raft]

Feel for you...let's see what you've got 🙂

[lapis stratus]

Here's what I've got @ionic raft I already check the network tab, setup django and add the cors policy as well but still getting that erro these couple of days I tested a post request at postman it worked but in the axios.post it didn't

[ionic raft]

The :1 looks off...\

Can you trace back to how that url is built? That auth/users/:1 looks off

[lapis stratus]

http://127.0.0.1:8000/auth/users/

[ionic raft]

That's good...it's the :1 at the end

That seems off to me...unless I'm missing something

The 400 error is saying the page isn't there...which aligns with :1 in the URL at the end,

I would expect to see auth/users/1

[inland oak]

postman requests are less picky than with other methods.
You need for sure having cors problem solved

pip install django-cors-headers

ALLOWED_HOSTS = [
    "*"
]

CORS_ORIGIN_ALLOW_ALL = True

# add this
INSTALLED_APPS = [
    "corsheaders",
    #    ...
]

# comment out this thing
MIDDLEWARE = [
    # "django.middleware.csrf.CsrfViewMiddleware",
]

[lapis stratus]

already did this man

[inland oak]

make a simple endpoint with {"ping": True} exposed then

and test on it

[lapis stratus]

does it mean that it throwing me an error because of :1 in the endpoint

[inland oak]

have django server opened in terminal
and just read the error when you make request

[ionic raft]

That is possible. I'm nowhere as experienced as Darkwind. But the 400 error is page not found. The :1 doesn't fit as a url format. I'd expect auth/users/1
I assume the 1 is the PK

[inland oak]

404 is page not found

400 is generic error

[lapis stratus]

Okay sure man will do this.

[ionic raft]

right...
Ok. nvm then

So the :1 at the end of the url makes sense to you?

[lapis stratus]

Yeah,really make sense to me.

[ionic raft]

Alright then. Don't mind me 😄

Darkwind is da mang for Django

[lapis stratus]

Thank you for the help guys @ionic raft and @inland oak you're both good 😄

[inland oak]

u a welcome

[ionic raft]

Did you get it working? If so, Darkwind was the real helper 😉

I just fed false information this time

Didn't mean to...noob tho

[lapis stratus]

tbh I'm not really a django dev haha I just need to setup it so I can wire up the front-end to the backend. I'm more of a front-end dev guy

[lapis stratus]

no, you're not

[ionic raft]

That ^ is like 100,000% improved over Django's Inline Formset...and next to no JS

OMG...I've wanted repeating forms since before I started coding with Django.

[lapis stratus]

Oh this is cool. is this an open source project?

[ionic raft]

Nah. It's an idea I'm working on. I'm building a Process Improvement Project Management system. Just deployed v0.1.1. Have open alpha testing on. Got much more to build yet

It's called, LanesFlow.

[lapis stratus]

Woah can't wait to see the finished build of the LanesFlow.

[ionic raft]

https://lanesflow.io is the current deploy

[ionic raft]

Any chance you're into business? Collaborate with teams?

[lapis stratus]

I'm not into business. I'm working with another backend dev just using existing tools like Google tech for collaboration

[ionic raft]

Sounds interesting. Getting some momentum going on doing dev professionally?

And done...

Ok...htmx...very cool

[lapis stratus]

Yeah, there's a momentum.

[ionic raft]

Exciting...if you're solving problems that have value...always potential

[toxic hemlock]

hey everyone so i just got back into python after a long break and i decided to start a little project just for fun. it involves using python to grab query info to generate and display html in a web browser based on the stuff in the query. i did this on separate machine a while back and it worked, but now that i'm doing it on my current machine it's not working and i'm not sure why. i have a feeling it might be because of the shebang line considering the python and the html i've written so far are all fine (yes, i've checked multiple times) but i'm not very tech savvy when it comes to python so i don't know lol. that said, i'm currently on windows 10 whereas the old machine was unix. does windows support shebang or does it use a different format for it, and if it's the latter, how do i write it? thanks in advance

also to elaborate, whenever i submit the form that fills out all the queries that need to be grabbed, it works fine but the python is not executed and thus the html is not generated. instead, the actual python program shows up in the browser. hope that might give a hint or two

[prisma jackal]

I have a question. I’m thinking about dropping out of university and going into web development but idk how to get started or if I’d be able to find a job. I’m reading up on it and some say u can get hired if ur self taught and others say u need an associates. Help?

[inland oak]

in which year you are?

and how much years left?

[prisma jackal]

going into my thrid

[inland oak]

which specialization-direction-program of education / which country ?

[prisma jackal]

ecology and idk what i wanna do w that lol, in us

[inland oak]

try to ask the same in #career-advice

[prisma jackal]

i have

[inland oak]

what do you have as subjects/disciplines in ecology

did you have math, or something

[prisma jackal]

no. all bio, but ive taken a lot of calculus and a intro to coding course

[fathom fjord]

hello

[inland oak]

try to consider transfering for CS program
or if not, if it would be possible for you to enter CS program with at least year a bit lower, from second year of education or something

[fathom fjord]

i am making a website, i wanna add a navigation bar to all of my pages, is there any way that i make a file named nav.html and add the content of it to all the other files

[inland oak]

entering programming without higher education is possible, but you know... that's much harder path.

[fathom fjord]

can u pls tell me

i am making a website, i wanna add a navigation bar to all of my pages, is there any way that i make a file named nav.html and add the content of it to all the other files

[prisma jackal]

@inland oak much harder how?

[inland oak]

the major problem would be to find first job and experience.
recruiters will prefer to take CS graduate than self educated one

when you would get few years of working experience, it will matter little though

[prisma jackal]

@inland oak would experience be enough to land a job? and where do u get experience to begin with?

[fathom fjord]

i am making a website, i wanna add a navigation bar to all of my pages, is there any way that i make a file named nav.html and add the content of it to all the other files

i am making a website, i wanna add a navigation bar to all of my pages, is there any way that i make a file named nav.html and add the content of it to all the other files

[prisma jackal]

also @fathom fjord brain empty when it comes to coding

idk anything :/

[inland oak]

plus, without all CS program knowledge, it will heavily depend on your self-drive to learn all concepts from zero
CS program gives you a solid fundement(a kick in the ass) and teaches you how to learn, it all just makes easier

[prisma jackal]

@inland oak what about bootcamps? or online courses?

i read some websites and they give you a CCL but idk what that does

[inland oak]

a lot of scam in online courses at the moment.
most of them are just robbery of money while providing really low quality
I heard there can be found some good ones at some web site, not remembering which one

not familiar with bootcamp concept enough to evaluate it

[prisma jackal]

@inland oak the situation grows bleaker

[inland oak]

or at least full mode scammery goes in my country with online cources

if I remember right, some people said that udemy perhaps? offers a bit of more honesty
because you could check author reviews from other students

[prisma jackal]

@inland oak are u in the us?

and mkay, ill check it out

[inland oak]

nah, i am in russia

we are all on hype with IT here at the moment

[prisma jackal]

how so?

[inland oak]

high demand, big salaries because IT is opened to foreign markets
(in comparison to any other profession, IT has much higher salary in Russia, economy is quite poor here)

so local online courses schools started to grow quickly to rip money from people on this hype

people go to them, pay a lot of money, but they are teached quite low there, and really limited knowledge

nobody in the end needs in our country people from online courses

it just does not make sense for companies to invest into online-course-graduates

because junior programmer is still... not a real programmer

at least a year or more is needed to be invested, getting him a real industry programming experience

in order for him to become a real programmer

that is rarely happening with online-cources-graduates. It takes much more than one year (years) for them to become good

that's why companies firstly target university-graduates. they have much higher chance to grow into real programmers

[inland oak]

self education is still an option of course, but check statistics in your country just to be sure
how many people managed to land an IT job after having only self education

[inland oak]

I could say that after finishing university, I am in the constant self education now

university knowledge is not enough

I learn with practice, applying at the job or my pet projects, reading documentation to tools
and getting theory from books, O'Reilly is often chosen company of books. Material is always condensed and of high quality (I check reviews in amazon)

[prisma jackal]

hmm, i see

damn

electrician it is i guess

[atomic wing]

does anyone have any suggestions on what to use and how to make a discord bot dashboard?

[inland oak]

what's discord bot dashboard, which functionality u wish to see there

[atomic wing]

a discord bot dashboard is where you can change settings and such for your discord bot, e.g dyno's dashboard at dyno.gg .

here is a screenshot

[atomic wing]

see above

[inland oak]

if I see it right, it is a full featured web site.

u make frontend

u make backend

u attach discord bot functionality to your backend

[atomic wing]

yes

but i don't know how to make a website for it

[inland oak]

use django for example

any python framework capable to be good at REST API role, would serve well to do the trick of having backend

frontend could be made in django OR in separate frontend framework like React/Vue/Angular

[atomic wing]

by frontend, do you mean the actual code

thats what i interpret, but probably not
what i interpret: frontend=code backend=website

probably no where near what it is

i have never made a website, just so you know

[inland oak]

web site = backend (interactions with database usually or other services) + frontend (collection of html/css/js files served to user)

[vestal hound]

the frontend is code that executes on your computer.

it dynamically changes what you see based on your input

it talks to the backend, which is code that executes on the server

[atomic wing]

oh ok so i was pretty much right

[vestal hound]

that may also interact with other external parties, the database, etc.

[vestal hound]

uh...I wouldn't say that

🥴

[atomic wing]

<Me

[inland oak]

my description is not informative I guess

[atomic wing]

so, um, what should i use and how would i do it, and your description was, just hard for me to understand

[inland oak]

probably better other people answer it

[vestal hound]

minimally, you need a backend.

Django would work

if you want a significant level of interactivity, you'd need a frontend too

Angular/React/Vue are the top 3, AFAIK

[inland oak]

if you don't need significant level of interactivity, django will still work as frontend too

[atomic wing]

ok, so it seems Django is the best one for what i need. do i install it or is it a web browser thing cuz i have no idea

[inland oak]

u will need to host it on server (usually linux)

some people use heroku for that

user enters ip address (or domain) of your web server, he gets frontend

your discord bot makes requests to django application to interfact with it

[vestal hound]

it would be generally more appropriate to say that there's no frontend IMO? shrugs

[vestal hound]

it's a Python library.

you use it to write a program

when run, this program will handle requests.

then you host it on a web server

which will basically put it behind a URI

so you can access it, like, with your browser

[vestal hound]

like Heroku

which is p easy to use

[atomic wing]

i have no idea how to use it

i've made an account but it doesn't make sense, does the website go on it or the actual code?...

[vestal hound]

the "website" doesn't exist

it's a user thing.

and by that I mean

your browser knows how to talk to the web server in certain ways

and when talked to in those certain ways, the web server sends back HTML

which your browser renders as what you see.

[inland oak]

https://github.com/kamranahmedse/developer-roadmap/blob/master/img/frontend.png?year-2021-2
frontend is not just framework.
html, css and its libraries (bootstrap?) with all its concepts like flexbox/css grid and e.t.c, js and its libraries (can be tested with jest without any framework)

[vestal hound]

it is the code that generates HTML

[vestal hound]

yes, of course

I know that

[inland oak]

I know that you know 😉 I make a point of how frontend is big without framework

[vestal hound]

probably appropriate to mention

man I suddenly can't remember the name

that thing

...

what is it called

OMG I CAN'T REMEMBER

JQUERY

right

[inland oak]

right, and Ajax

[atomic wing]

um

[vestal hound]

okay I guess from my PoV

hm.

maybe you can say that Django is the frontend too? just not how I thought of it 🥴 maybey ou're right

[atomic wing]

[inland oak]

it can work as frontend ;b

but it does not have to

[atomic wing]

ok um i'm confused, so i install the django python library and... i have no idea how to use it or code with it but i can just search that up.

[inland oak]

https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/3.2/ the official docs are good

if they arent enough for you, get a book about django

[vestal hound]

how good are you with Python

do you know how the web works (at a very high level)?

[atomic wing]

no not at a high level

[vestal hound]

the request-response cycle, HTTP methods, cookies, the role of HTML and CSS, etc.

[vestal hound]

"high level" as in "big picture view"

[atomic wing]

ummm no idea

what all that is

[inland oak]

what do you know about python?

[vestal hound]

you should learn then

[inland oak]

or if you know perhaps any other language better than python

web frameworks aren't limited to python

[atomic wing]

well i know how to make an interactive discord bot, interactive games to play in the shell

[inland oak]

good. u know some python then

[atomic wing]

i only really have python, the only other one i've attempted but stopped learning was HTML5

[atomic wing]

of course i do, if i didn't i probably wouldn't be extending to other libraries

[inland oak]

you know that you know, but we don't know what you know ;b

[atomic wing]

true... sometimes i just forget

that ppl can't read my mind

it was a joke

[inland oak]

I made enter into python web frameworks from here
https://blog.miguelgrinberg.com/post/the-flask-mega-tutorial-part-i-hello-world

some people say that flask is more beginner friendly to learn stuff

but at the same time I would say that django is much better for real work

[atomic wing]

well i probably will cut straight to django, i am a quick learner most of the time

[inland oak]

probably for the best

less time wasted

[manic frost]

How can I distinguish between an optional and a nullable field in Pydantic?

Optional meaning "the field is not required to be present" , nullable meaning "the field is required but can be null"

Optional[str] = ... just shows up as a required string in the OpenAPI spec (with FastAPI)

[inland oak]

is pydantic having same syntax as type hints?

[manic frost]

pydantic just uses built-in type hints, yes

[inland oak]

https://docs.python.org/3/library/typing.html#typing.Union
Optional[X] is equivalent to Union[X, None].
Union type; Union[X, Y] means either X or Y.

[manic frost]

I know what Union is and I know what Optional is.

Pydantic treats Optional as "non-required", so I'm asking whether there is a way to express "required but can be null" (I'm modeling a third-party API)

[junior cloak]

pydantic works its own way

[junior cloak]

this has been an ongoing debate for like a year, afaik the current recommended way to deal with it is still by using a validator

[manic frost]

Is there a way to mark it as required but nullable in the resulting OpenAPI spec?

[junior cloak]

there was talk of a Nullable[Optional[]] and DisallowNone[] and stuff but I don't believe it came to fruition

that i do not know

[junior cloak]

oh wait i think i thought you wanted the opposite of what you are asking

[inland oak]

https://github.com/samuelcolvin/pydantic/issues/1223
found the topic all about it

[junior cloak]

you want it to be required but allow None

[manic frost]

Yes

[junior cloak]

try using Optional[str] = ...

https://pydantic-docs.helpmanual.io/usage/models/#required-optional-fields

[manic frost]

class User(BaseModel):
    id: Snowflake
    username: str
    discriminator: str
    avatar: Optional[str] = ...

I get this ```js
"User": {
"title": "User",
"required": ["id", "username", "discriminator", "avatar"],
"type": "object",
"properties": {
"id": {
"title": "Id",
"type": "string",
"description": "https://github.com/twitter-archive/snowflake/tree/snowflake-2010"
},
"username": { "title": "Username", "type": "string" },
"discriminator": { "title": "Discriminator", "type": "string" },
"avatar": { "title": "Avatar", "type": "string" }
}
}

wait, is there even a null type in OpenAPI?

[junior cloak]

that seems correct to me

it has nullable: true

it does not have a null type

[manic frost]

hm, when I set it to None, I get this in the openapi:

"avatar": { "title": "Avatar", "type": "null" }

weird

[junior cloak]

i wouldve sworn that type: null is in fact wrong and to not use it

at least for v3

https://swagger.io/docs/specification/data-models/data-types/#null

[manic frost]

oh, I can do this

    avatar: Optional[str] = Field(nullable=True)

[junior cloak]

oh that is even better. haha

[random sand]

Can anyone help in jinja2

[junior cloak]

i dont see that anywhere in the docs but havent looked at the function signature lately 😛 good find

[manic frost]

it hides in the **kwargs...

[hybrid quartz]

Hello is there someone who can help me with a scrapy question ? 🙂 im a pyhton beginner

[prisma jackal]

would an associates degree be enough to get a job in web development?

[native tide]

people get jobs in web development without a degree

even

and you arent talking about some prodigies or

anything

just someone who dedicates time to learning

[prisma jackal]

ive heard of it happening but idk, i get the sense that its unlikely? ive talked to some ppl and they said it would def help getting a job

and some reddit threads said employers just want to know u know what ur doing @native tide im just getting a lot of different answers

[native tide]

Python was not found; run without arguments to install from the Microsoft Store, or disable this shortcut from Settings > Manage App Execution Aliases.
PS E:\Coding\Python\Django framwork>

[native tide]

one of the sources of income i have now doesnt require a degree, its a contract work via a middle company

that just finds companies for you that require you to do some quick tasks

and they really don't require that much in terms of skillset

i am overdoing pretty much every task i get

i am EU though so unsure

about US

[prisma jackal]

damn

thanks @native tide ill keep looking into it ig

[native tide]

i will send you the name of a company

they take a cut of course

but i dont mind

[random sand]

can anyone help with flask ?

[native tide]

@random sand

just ask away

[dusk portal]

@ionic raftyo

[native tide]

hey, im trying to implement reddit oauth in my flask webapp but i need to create a state,

state – A string that will be reflected in the callback to redirect_uri. This value should be temporarily unique to the client for whom the URL was generated for.

does someone have an idea how i could create this and check if the state is the same for the client in the callback?

[dense slate]

Sounds like wherever you are sending them back to on your app (after Reddit authorizing them) requires some additional unique variable. So after they authorize via Reddit they are returned to something like https://yourwebsite.com/oauth_completed/<unique_variable>

That's my interpretation. @native tide

[surreal portal]

sup

Anybody knows how big societies handle their deployments on cloud services ?

On clssic VMs or on special services?

Suppose I want to publish my fullstack project on GCP. Does that mean i have to purchase a VM or is there something more convenient like stuff I can do CI/CD on?

[woeful trellis]

hi, i'd like to use a blockchain system in my django project.
i've checked internet about libraries but have n't gone anywhere.
do you know any libraries!?

[native tide]

thanks!

[dense slate]

Big socieites?

[bronze marlin]

Hello. I'm a newbie to web development but have some experience with python. I want to make a small web game that has minimal graphics and is almost completely text-based. I want players of the game to be able to collaborate and play together in real time. I was wondering what the best way to go around this would be. Tutorials would also be nice.

[inland oak]

I think it would be more of javascript thing to do
https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Games/Tutorials/2D_Breakout_game_pure_JavaScript

python can provide collaborating part though

[dense slate]

@bronze marlin That's going to be a pretty significant undertaking. You need to learn to server the website itself with a framework like Flask or Django, and then incorporate websockets for multiplayer (let alone graphics if you want them). It's all doable, just be ready for a significant project!

I've created MUDs (text-based multiplayer games) if you want to chat more about that, but I haven't dealt with graphics.

[bronze marlin]

it is primarily text based

[inland oak]

uh, then canvas is not needed

I guess you could go fully python then

[bronze marlin]

ok

so flask or django

or something else like tornado

?

[inland oak]

or fastapi

[bronze marlin]

i would probably start with a singleplayer version first

so what could i use

its a pretty simple website so speed isnt a huge factor

however i want something that isnt to complex to learn

because im aiming to finish it fast

[dense slate]

You know about the concept of game loops?

[bronze marlin]

yes

a bit

[dense slate]

If you're going single-player just to learn, I would build it in python first to learn the basics.

Then add the web layer once you've got that down.

[bronze marlin]

ok

[dense slate]

The underlying engine could be adapted to it.

[bronze marlin]

wdym?

[dense slate]

I mean that you can create the python engine in just python, get it running in your terminal, and then implement the part that connects it to a webapp.

The main engine would probably have to be adapted to it, but all your game classes and other assets could just carry over.

I basically created a game loop inside of a websocket library and then served it with Django.

[bronze marlin]

so should i use django

or flask?

also could you recommend some resources

@dense slate

[native tide]

Why aren't my staticfiles being served?

wsgi: ```py

import os

from django.core.wsgi import get_wsgi_application
from whitenoise import WhiteNoise

os.environ.setdefault('DJANGO_SETTINGS_MODULE', 'core.settings')

application = get_wsgi_application()
application = WhiteNoise(application, root='./staticfiles')

settings ```py

STATIC_URL = '/staticfiles/'

STATICFILES_DIRS =[os.path.join(BASE_DIR, 'build/static')]
STATIC_ROOT = BASE_DIR / 'staticfiles'

STATICFILES_STORAGE = 'whitenoise.storage.CompressedManifestStaticFilesStorage'

MEDIA_ROOT = os.path.join(BASE_DIR, 'media')
MEDIA_URL = '/media/'

I see styling and all but No media

I also set middleWare

[dense slate]

It depends. Django is a steeper learning curve and has more bells and whistles out of the box - Flask could be an option here since it's more lightweight, but it depends what you need out of it.

I don't really know of any resource for what you're doing. Maybe I should have written one. 😄

I would learn how to create a basic MUD text game in python, and then how to use websockets with a python framework like Flask or Django - then tinker with it to combine them.

[bronze marlin]

so how would i go about learning that

[native tide]

wauw moving my question up

[dense slate]

@bronze marlin Which part?

[dense slate]

looks like your media and static roots are different

Can you directly access anything in media? Like one of the pictures/videos or whatever is in there?

[native tide]

yes

[dense slate]

Ok, so then it sounds like maybe you're not accessing correctly in your template? I don't really have much to go off of there.

[native tide]

yes I am cuz Im logging the src on the console in React

[dense slate]

ok so it loads it into state but doesn't show it...

This is in vanilla React?

[native tide]

yes

[dense slate]

shouldn't
MEDIA_ROOT = os.path.join(BASE_DIR, 'media')
be
MEDIA_ROOT = os.path.join(BASE_DIR, 'media/')?

[native tide]

doesn't seem to make a difference

[dense slate]

You could just be loading the src link, but not connecting to the actual image. My guess is something is wrong in your path to the media folder.

Can you print your BASE_DIR to make sure it's correct?

[native tide]

it is

[dense slate]

Welp, not sure then! I don't have any more info to go off of.

[native tide]

check it my website is on heroku https://blog-youpost.herokuapp.com/

check the console

[dense slate]

Does collectstatic do anything for media? I forget.

[native tide]

nothing

[opaque rivet]

in docker-compose can I build from docker-hub without a Dockerfile?

e.g.

nginx:
    build: nginx # from Docker-hub
    image: ... # image tag

[dense slate]

I don't see anything in the console related to media. Which part?

[native tide]

when you create a post and go to "/" it should be there and the image you used is console logged

after you create an account ofcourse but you can use DummyUser 12345foo

to log in

password=12345foo and username=DummyUser

[dense slate]

on the post page I get a blank screen with an error:
react-dom.production.min.js:216 TypeError: Cannot read property 'toString' of undefined

[native tide]

This is off-putting

errors everywhere

can u send a screen shot?

why am I getting that error

[mystic vortex]

Someone suggest me a good tutorial to learn about flask

[opaque vale]

man im having serious issues understanding destructured functions, do people actively use them? I just cant wrap my head around how to read them and use them

[dense slate]

You don't see it?

[native tide]

I see those errors yes

it says that rating is undefined

but it isn't!!

rating.toString() is giving an error

rating === 0 so I don't know why it says it's undefined

[dense slate]

You sure it's not setting state as undefined initially?

try rating && rating === 0

so that it has to be defined to do whatever it wants to do

or if rating... etc.

[normal pebble]

Please do not use ableist language

[native tide]

ableist? didn't know, I aplogize

[native tide]

ok

It works well in dev tho

[rare lagoon]

Oh about that, I would like to learn more in the backend area, since I like to make things to work and not in creating visuals, but i believe I need to learn frontend at least a little bit

[mystic vortex]

I have a question that to transfer some data from one location I need api but do I need flask or only request lib is enough

[ionic raft]

Yes, for web development you definitely need to learn html. There's no way around it. You can get away with no css, but the sites you build won't look pretty. Depending on what you're building JS is much more optional. My recommendation would be to pick a simple project and tackle it with Flask. Best of luck.

[mystic vortex]

Can somebody help me?

[mystic vortex]

^

[native tide]

Why am I getting error??

import requests


r = requests.get("https://eaassets-a.akamaihd.net/fifa/u/f/fm21/prod/s/static/players/players_21/p200145_TOTS_PVRTC.pvr")
json = r.json()
print(json)```

Error:
```Extra data: line 1 column 2 (char 1)

[rare lagoon]

Thanks

[mystic vortex]

Help

[fast hollow]

Hi!
I would like create a thread with the discord API, but i have an error.
My code:

header = {
        "Content-type": "application/json",
        "Authorization": f"Bot {token}",
        "User-Agent": "Bot"
    }

request = requests.post(f"%s/channels/{channel.id}/threads" % API_ENDPOINT,
                                    data={"name": f"{under_category}", "auto_archive_duration": 1440, "type": 11, "invitable": False},
                                    headers=auth_api)

I have this error:

400: Bad Request

The data has no errors, unlike the header which has a problem.
Can you help me?
Thanks!

[rotund perch]

Hello, Can anyone explains for me simply what is cookies & sessions? What is the difference between it. I saw django needs (CSRF Cookie) to make requests, but also I am confused why most websites takes permission to use cookies on u?

[opaque rivet]

@mystic vortex a request library just sends a http request. You need an API with Flask. Start a WSGI server which will transform that http request into a python datatype which your backend can understand. Then you can do whatever you want with that data.

[mystic vortex]

Me nub in flask, api and all related to web dev need some assistance or maybe a sample code can help me to understand what u mean

[opaque rivet]

Frontend sends http request to backend API endpoint. Backend API endpoint returns a response to your frontend.

Look at a guide to making APIs with flask

[fast hollow]

Nobody?

[opaque rivet]

@fast hollow what is the error message of the request?

[fast hollow]

The error message of the request:

{
  "message": "400: Bad Request",
  "code": 0
}

[dense slate]

I think that looks like an error attempting to convert something to JSON that isn't serializable.

[ionic raft]

Function views in Django: I am using the @login_required decorator. However, I want to only allow the user of the request to access the view. How can this be done? I've taken a look around and have not found the way as yet.

I would use a Class Based view and UserPassesTestMixin, however, I'm building this view with htmx and partial form updates. A CBV doesn't appear to allow the method to add a new child. So, I'm back to function views.

[rotund perch]

maybe try to create your own decorator?

[ionic raft]

That's a good idea. I've not done that before. But now that i think about it, that would be the way wouldn't it

That's something to go on. Will research how to create a decorator

[rotund perch]

I think so. Good Luck!

[ionic raft]

Hmmm...apparently, user_passes_test is already included in Django...

[dense slate]

@ionic raft Will the user be the owner of it, like a post or something?

If so, you can get the author of the object/instance and then if the request.user is the author, allow access (within the view).

[ionic raft]

Yes. There is a field for the record being called

[ionic raft]

I'm used to UserPassesTextMixin so get that from the CBV perspective. Not sure for functional view

[dense slate]

That would be in a functional view.

def View(request):
if request.user == view.author:
allow
else:
redirect or whatever.

[ionic raft]

Just trying to piece that together...
That is a sub-function?

[dense slate]

It's just a standard view.

A function in views.py.

You only using CBVs?

[ionic raft]

Ok. I'm still not following...

No.

I can't use a CBV for this

[dense slate]

So you render a page with a view right?

in views.py

[ionic raft]

Let me explain...

I'm replacing an Inline Formset....with htmx and functional views.
I've tried to build a CBV for this but the method to create isn't allowed. So I set that down. That would have allowed for UserPassesTestMixin.

So, I returned to the original functional view and while I can add the login decorator, I need to only allow access to that functional view if request.user == object.attribute.

[dense slate]

Yea, right. So the original functional view, what's it look like?

[ionic raft]

That ^ works perfectly. I just need to restrict access if the user isn't the owner of the object for the view

[dense slate]

Should the non-owner user be able to see the form at all?

[ionic raft]

If request.user == fmea.primary_team_user_owner then should be able to see the form

Otherwise, I want permission denied

[dense slate]

Ok so make that the first line, and it will run all of that.
Your else statement will just be a redirect to another page, for example.

[ionic raft]

right...

Good idea...

[dense slate]

def create_failure(request, pk):
    if request.user == thing.author:
        fmea = FMEA.objects.get(id=pk)
        failures = Failure.objects.filter(fmea_fk=fmea)
        form = FailureDetailsForm(request.POST or None)
    ...
        return render(request, 'pips/pips-fmea-create-failure.html', context)
    else:
        redirect(whatever)

right?

er one sec

[ionic raft]

I'll give it a try face palm

I'm already tweaking...

[dense slate]

and you can still use the login-decorator to make sure the user is logged in.

[ionic raft]

It's very testable...just working it out

Oh yes...I'll need login decorator or search would fail

well that's good...the positive test worked...now to try with another user 😄

[ionic raft]

Excellent suggestion! Worked a treat. Very simple and effective.

[dense slate]

Good stuff.

[ionic raft]

So much simpler!

[dense slate]

Yea I'm not a fan of CBVs.

Same reason I gravitate to hooks in React. It's just so much simpler and cleaner to manage.

[ionic raft]

I am good with either type of view. However, in this case, functional views were really the way to go for replacing Inline Formsets with embedded update/delete/create logic for the child item

[dense slate]

I would be surprised if you can't use a CBV as it's just another way to approach it, but either way I'm glad it helps.

[ionic raft]

I tried, but was getting a Method Not Allowed in the console. I'm not sure why. So I figured rather than go down that rabbit hole I would work with the func view I had that works brilliantly

Actually...this is cleaner...

Solving the problem of build dynamic repeating forms without a JS Framework makes me happy. It's much lighter than JS, and the processing is all backend. htmx is very useful

I'll be learning React shortly, however, I want to use it to build a diagramming app. Having the ability to manage the UI consistently without a JS Framework is making for a very fast website. It's working very well for my needs so far.

At any rate, thanks very much again. Solved a big problem that was on my mind

[dense slate]

Sure thing.

[mystic vortex]

Guys suggest me a js framework

[quartz forge]

With a django model's fields, can I have the default of a field be dependent on a value of an another field in the model?

[ionic raft]

I don't know at the DB level. However, I would look to the application layer, and typically do so when dancing the Django Tango. 🙂
I would ask when the 'other' field is determined and use that event to update the value of the associated field. This approach therefore does not look at rely on a default value at the model level. Rather, it uses the application layer to drive an adaptive default. I hope that makes sense.

When I think about the approach I've suggested above I am good with that. After all, the conditional determination of a default value for a field is not a pure data-layer event, it is an applicational one.

[ionic raft]

I would come at this question differently. What do you want to accomplish with the web application? Let that drive the search for the optimal approach and framework.

[opaque rivet]

so I'm running nginx and django on seperate containers. I have this in my nginx config:

upstream backend {
    server backend:8000;
}

If nginx container starts before my backend server is up, the container will exit. Any way to orchestrate them?

[tame crater]

Why are those a problems

[opaque rivet]

I have a disgusting view that keeps giving me problems:

class Top3Accommodations(ListAPIView):
    serializer_class = Top3AccommodationSerializer
    queryset = set(Accommodations.objects.all().annotate(Count("reviews")).order_by("-overall_rating", "-reviews__count")[0:3])

For some reason, if I have no migrations this one view always raises a variety of errors even though no requests were sent to it. (this is when setting up my django container). Anyone had similar issues or know what to do in this case?

Whenever resetting my db, I have to remove this view and URLconf, makemigrations and migrate, then paste it back in.

[dense slate]

Want to share the errors?

[opaque rivet]

@dense slate just got off to bed. But essentially, it's looking for the Accommodations model (but since there are no migrations, it doesn't exist, a slurry of related errors are raised).

But the strange thing is that no requests were made to that API endpoint and other API endpoints that use the same model don't raise anything.

I think I'll just rewrite the API endpoint

[dense slate]

It's a class, so maybe it's trying to create an instance at runtime and since that model doesn't exist, you get errors.

if you print something inside the class, and it prints when you start the server, that's probably the case.

[opaque rivet]

I have other class based views which don't raise errors, that use the same model. You're probably right but I don't know why it's trying to create an instance. It shouldn't be.

[dense slate]

Does the Top3AccommodationSerializer call it?

[opaque rivet]

Yes, I believe its just a ModelSerializer which takes all of the models fields. But still, on import it shouldn't be making an instance. But what you said makes sense, I didn't think about that.

I'll try later today. Need to go to sleep after frying myself with AWS deployment

[dense slate]

I mean the traceback would really help to figure this out.

[opaque rivet]

I'll try fix it when I'm back working and will post the traceback if it continues. Think you've led me in the right direction though, thanks.

(On mobile, so I can't do it atm)

[ionic raft]

How's it going @opaque rivet ? Did you get the SSL certs installed?

[carmine cipher]

What best language for making mobile application?

[wispy niche]

Hi Web dev friends! Im new to web dev and wanted to see if anyone could help with some advice on which framework to use for a project of mine. I know that the two big guys are django and flask but im not entirely sure which one i should use.

I am working on a website that categorizes different softwares and contains reviews of said software platforms. At the moment, the website does seem like its going to be mostly displaying content but im hoping that it will grow from there. My understanding is that Flask is for smaller projects and Django is used for more enterprise level, but if i were to scale something up, would Flask be able to handle something like this?

[vestal hound]

the reason

people say Flask is for smaller projects

is that it doesn't do as much on its own

for contrast, Django has a templating engine, an ORM, a built-in admin panel, and all sorts of other nonsense

in terms of actually handling web requests they are more or less equal

so the question really is

do you want to use, for example, SQLAlchemy or Django ORM?

that said, I don't really like Flask's design tbh

but

YMMV

[eternal blade]

Hello, I am making an login api using drf (im using django-rest-knox for the authentication)

class LoginAPI(generics.GenericAPIView):
  serializer_class = LoginSerializer

  def post(self, request, *args, **kwargs):
    serializer = self.get_serializer(data=request.data)
    serializer.is_valid(raise_exception=True)
    user = serializer.validated_data
    token = AuthToken.objects.create(user)[1]
    return Response({
      "user": UserSerializer(user, context=self.get_serializer_context()).data,
      "token": token
    })```
The LoginSerializer ```py
class LoginSerializer(serializers.Serializer):
  username = serializers.CharField()
  password = serializers.CharField()

  def validate(self, data):
    user = authenticate(**data)
    if user and user.is_active:
      return user
    raise serializers.ValidationError("Incorrect Credentials")
``` When I send a request to the api using postman with the correct credentials I get a 401 error, I assume this is because I have not set the authorization header with the token in my request. how can remove the requirement for the authorization header?

[native tide]

<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mouse_and_the_Mask"><img src="ExpandaPics/MOUSEANDTHEMASK.png" alt="MFDOOM"class = imgz></a>

this wont display the image as a hyperlink

[wispy niche]

Thanks for getting back to me. Yeah I have heard that Django has all these features built in to them but I read its a steeper learning curve to get everything going.

[vestal hound]

kind of?

but

you'd need to learn those things anyway

[wispy niche]

For sure, I can see if i were to get more into web dev with python. Django would most likely be the framework companies would use, right?

[inland oak]

Django, plus I see fastapi often around

[wispy niche]

Yeah i just saw a vid on fastapi it looks cool.

Does anyone here use node.js ?

[ionic raft]

v0.2.0 released! Now to learn/build a CI/CD pipeline. It looks gitlab and jenkins will be the secret sauce 🙂

[inland oak]

i am playing too.
making deployment of application made out of 11 different types of servers at the moment.

fun.

[ionic raft]

I started with Django Jul 9, 2021 (and didn't know a line of Python before Apr 16, 2021). I spent June in Flask. I can tell you that I really like Flask. I also found that spending that first month+ was very helpful to give me a grounding in some web dev concepts. However, I have a complex web application project on the go and knew I'd need something more robust. There were two core things that swung it for me at first, and a third that convinced me.
Admin/built in user auth model. Those cannot be underestimated. I didn't know I was missing them with Flask. Now that I'm used to them in Django I'm not sure I'd want to do without them.
Housing multiple apps. I've already got 8 apps in this web application. There will be more. With only 2/3 apps in Flask I felt it's default horizontal structure started to make it feel cluttered. I made an effort at re-organizing, but I quickly realized that I needed to try Django. Dj is better for lots of apps.
The third point was one I realized after learning it. I call it, Doing the Database Django Tango. That Django ORM that @vestal hound referred to earlier CANNOT be underestimated. I really get a kick out of dancing around the DB. And trust me when I say, for a first web project, I'm already doing some incredible things (across 20 tables). Only today I converted an Inline Formset (parent and child objects on the same form, such as order and products) to dynamic forms using htmx. The Dj ORM is amazing. Oh, and using PyCharm to get suggestions on query terms...outstanding chef's kiss

My advice? If you've already got some familiarity with web dev frameworks and have a complex web app in the making, Django. If you're new to web dev, start with Flask and port over after 1-2 months like I did.

Next steps: Build an automated CI/CD pipeline and then learn React to build application #9 🙂

[wispy niche]

@ionic raft this was the response I was hoping to get. Thank you for waking me through your journey with both Flask and Django. I know you didn’t have to.

[ionic raft]

One thing that is grossly under-represented about PyCharm is it's intelligent suggestions when working with the Django ORM. I can't tell you the number of times PyCharm has made a suggestion that literally solved a huge CRUD problem

[ionic raft]

Delighted to help. This community has been INSTRUMENTAL in my getting my web app built and deployed. The least I can do is to take the time to pay it forward

A few days ago I spent 27 hours straight coding. Django and a great idea can do that to you 😄

Doing the Django Tango... <- there's a t-shirt in this 😉

[wispy niche]

I’m excited that I joined this group. I’ve been looking for fellow python devs to talk with. The pandemic has made it hard to meet many people lately.

I’ve got a couple questions for you while you’re still here…

[ionic raft]

This is an amazing community with very talented and experienced Python devs.

[ionic raft]

Sure. I'm just taking a breather after deploying my first Stripe webhooks! Yeah. 🙂

[wispy niche]

1. I use vscode for most of my development. I know of pycharm, but never have used it. Would you recommend switching?

2. Any recommendations on websites or something to learn the ins and out about django? Or should I just start with the docs?

[ionic raft]

1. Tough question. I started with PyCharm and got used to it. Then I tried VSC code. I liked the idea, but there are things that VSCode simply does not do as well for Python.

Switch? Well, if you're primarily a Python coder, it's worth a try. If code with many apps, it may hamper your workflow.

2. I started with Corey Schafer's YT tutorial on Django. But, I also extended on the 1 app I built with the tutorial into 8 apps. Combined with a good book (I can recommend two scoops of django) Corey will set you straight.

[wispy niche]

Ok dope. I’ll check those out.

[ionic raft]

I sprung for PyCharm professional. It's $80/year, but I've discovered it's clearly worth it.

[wispy niche]

I might try it out. I got a free subscription for being in college

[rotund perch]

Anyone?

[inland oak]

most websides ask permissions because of some GPDR or something like EU regulation
the reason: because cookies can be used for evil, to track you across different sites, feeding you with different advertisements anywhere where you go. You could think of cookies being as your browser history, which goes to every web site during your surfing.

Cookie is basically sticky header, that gets attached to you, when you make request some url.
When you make new request, the attached cookie will be send back with every request. Cookie is basically sticking to your browser client.

CSRF thing is one of protections against CSRF attacks. For example you visit hacking web site, or press click in some fishy email. It makes automatic request with your data in other web site on your behalf. Like transfering all your moneys in bank account, or sending gmail email from your mail.

https://www.javatpoint.com/session-vs-cookies
apperently session is stateful server side login, when user login and related information about his movements is inserted into temporal file at server or database for example.

[native tide]

do u know krunker? i wonder how can i make website like that? what technology they use?

[rotund perch]

Thanks ! Simple & Straightforward.

[wooden ruin]

are you talking about the online game? it probably uses some sort of javascript engine to render graphics/animations and a backend real-time server such as through websockets

[jaunty birch]

good day over here.. I am new to web development.. I need a someone I can jointly work with to learn more on real life code... I can do 4 hours a week

[dusk mango]

Hello. I'm looking for opinions on BlackSheep, Muffin, and Falcon as they are relatively unknown. I'm looking to replace Quart, since it is currently a bottleneck.
I don't need a feature-rich environment, since I use it only as a gateway, I need speed.
Currently considering Blacksheep, Starlette, or FastAPI, but looking for more opinions.

This is a benchmark from klen (Muffin's creator), that shows the difference in request per second:
http://klen.github.io/py-frameworks-bench/

[inland oak]

FastAPI

or actually consider Django

depending what you are doing

[dusk mango]

Django..?

Speed..?

[inland oak]

describe what you are doing

[dusk mango]

These two words don't go together.

[inland oak]

forget about speed
it can be achieved at the level out of frameworks

just put nginx at the front, with enabled caching

[dusk mango]

This is an application server, I'm not serving static files, I have nginx as a reverse proxy to Quart already.
I'm using Quart basically as an IPC gateway to a Discord bot (async).
From the metrics I monitor I can see that nginx has no problem serving the connections and the Discord bot has no problem with code speed (as the functionality is relatively simple), however Quart's speed just falls down by an insane margin after 200+ requests per second.

And I'm writing in this channel because web frameworks are considered part of web development, although I just use them as a form of gateway with less than 3 basic API methods.

[inland oak]

nginx can be used to cache JSON requests too
you can write specifically there to cache all requests coming to /yoururl
it will make separate cache for request with any different query paramters

perfect to cache GET requests with query params

nginx goes beyond handling static files

[dusk mango]

the usage of the application is such that json caching will not help

each request gets an individual, unique response

[inland oak]

discord bot, urgh.

[dusk mango]

I asked a question.. I've spent three days gathering information and metrics so I know what exactly I need currently. I don't need now people to start telling me "do this or do that" without actually answering my question

[inland oak]

we tell django or fastapi for the speed of development and culture of clean code they bring with themselves

fastapi goes fully async as far as i know, and u can choose your own ORM library, which would be async friendly

django is async friendly too, but its ORM is not

[inland oak]

if u want to have super big application speed.... u probably could consider golang.
its 40 times faster than python %

if to remain in python, I would give a fastapi a go

[dusk mango]

I don't need speed of development, as I mentioned that I don't use Quart that way, I have less than 100 lines of code there. Same goes for cleanliness.
FastAPI is fully async, but is still way slower than the likes of Blacksheep or Starlette. I don't need an ORM-friendly library. I use it only as a gateway without any deeper logic.
Django is the slowest framework out there.
Python is a requirement, anything else is not an option.

[vestal hound]

why not FastAPI?

[dusk mango]

http://klen.github.io/py-frameworks-bench/

I am considering FastAPI. But I am also considering Blacksheep or Starlette. That's why I want opinions.

[vestal hound]

yeah, if you don't need what it does

then Starlette could work too

[dusk mango]

Yeah, that's my point

Starlette also has grown a bit and has an active community

And it's one of the fastest, so it seems like the best choice.

[rotund perch]

Hello, is there a way to hide data(auth tokens for users) in ** tokens table **? [django]

[vestal hound]

what do you mean by "hide"

[rotund perch]

when u access the database data should not show up

[vestal hound]

why do you want to do that?

[vestal hound]

sounds like it

that's kind of a specialised usecase though

tbh

[dusk mango]

it should show up.. that's why it's a database, you shouldn't give access to the db to anyone

[vestal hound]

so I'm not sure how much help you'll get here?

this is the kind of thing you would ask a specialist

[rotund perch]

trying to make more security, since anyone can have access to the database can use users tokens

[vestal hound]

you shouldn't let anyone have access to the database in the first place

[rotund perch]

Yes I know but I mean if someone granted the access illegally?

[inland oak]

in theory there is.
I heard there is database projection technique, which can make view of only the things you wish to show

but you should not give access to db to anyone indeed
lets them have access through your api

[vestal hound]

okay

so

let's say hypothetically there's a way to hide the tokens.

how would you unhide them?

you need some sort of credentials too, right?

which this attacker would have

if they can already access your database.

[rotund perch]

lol yes

[vestal hound]

so.

[inland oak]

lets check existing database users and their rights

[rotund perch]

but the pass is hashed tho

[vestal hound]

then what's the problem?

that's the point of salting + hashing

[rotund perch]

he cant get full credentials

he needs to decrypt

[vestal hound]

minimising the impact of data leakage

it's not called decryption

well, it could be, but it's inappropriate IMO

[inland oak]

better to not have password in md5
they aren't safe any longer ;b rainbow attacks or something like that

[vestal hound]

anyway, the point is

[rotund perch]

what is md5? sorry I am not a django expert

[inland oak]

one of hashing algorithms

it is not django directly related, it is encryption related

[rotund perch]

nothing useful from hiding it?

[vestal hound]

yes

[rotund perch]

okay, thats good then. Thank you for explaining !

[rotund perch]

Thank you mate gotta learn more about these

[vestal hound]

yw 👋

[glacial yoke]

How can I request a function in django views.py from my frontend in react?
For example, I wanted to have a platform where people would have to sign in, and then are able to chat in the onsite messenger, so I have a function in views.py which checks if the user exists (is signed in), and if he is, the message is created in the db. But now, how do I request it from frontend, because of course, I would have to create the message in the db with the text that person input in the frontend

I was gonna use axios for it, but I'm not really sure how to, I guess I could just axios get() the function, but then how could I add the message text to the database?

[lime mist]

Python socket.io client's connect method not firing on connect
Here's my code for the client side

class SIOClient(Thread):
    def __init__(self, worker_state: WorkerState) -> None:
        super().__init__()
        self.sio_client = socketio.Client()
        self.worker_state = worker_state

    def run(self):
        self.sio_client.connect(server_url)

        @self.sio_client.event
        def connect():
            log(INFO, f"Connected -> {server_url}")

        @self.sio_client.event
        def disconnect():
            log(INFO, f"Disconnected -X {server_url}")

        @self.sio_client.event
        def sid(sid):
            log(INFO, f"SID: {sid}")
            self.sio_client.emit("set_local_key", this_worker_unique_key)

        @self.sio_client.event
        def set_worker_state(state_data):
            new_state_data = json.loads(state_data)

            if self.worker_state.proxy != new_state_data["proxy"]:
                self.worker_state.proxy = new_state_data["proxy"]
                log(INFO, "Proxy Updated!")

            if self.worker_state.jobs != new_state_data["jobs"]:
                self.worker_state.jobs = new_state_data["jobs"]
                log(INFO, "Jobs Updated!")

The connect is only fired when I close the server and re-run is which causes client to disconnect and then connect again automatically. Server is an ASGI Python SIO server served using Uvicorn

[vestal hound]

POST is appropriate here

[glacial yoke]

yeah, but then isn't the function in views.py pointless?

and how would I check if the user is signed in?

[vestal hound]

the point of a view is to take a HTTP request, do stuff with it, and return a response

so you send the message in the request body

that said...for this kinda realtime stuff you might wanna look @ WebSockets

[glacial yoke]

ok, thanks

[rotund perch]

Whats the point of using templates in django? Since Rest Framework API does all and are more flexible and can be used in Webs & Mobile Apps / Any Frontend Framework. Why most developers use templates instead of rest framework?

[glacial yoke]

btw, if I don't want to use websockets, could I just request a function which would check if the user is signed in, and send a callback, and then have a separate function which would POST the info to the rest api if the user is signed in

[vestal hound]

hold up

I don't really get this part?

why is there a callback

[glacial yoke]

because they don't wanna use a framework

[vestal hound]

because you might want a static website

[rotund perch]

I think if uve put a decorator in your django like @permission_classes((IsAuthenticated,)) it will handle it for u

[glacial yoke]

well, whenever you request a function from react to django, it would have to give you a callback, because that's how it works in rest framework api, otherwise it would be pointless

[vestal hound]

what do you mean "request a function"

[glacial yoke]

because that's the only way to do it, right?

through axios

[rotund perch]

maybe he means HTTP METHODS

[vestal hound]

are you talking about

sending HTTP requests?

[glacial yoke]

yeah, pretty much

[vestal hound]

well, there are other abstractions, but the point is sending a request

okay

so what you're talking about is really

on the React side

which means

no, not really.

okay

do you know how auth is normally done?

[glacial yoke]

no, not really

[vestal hound]

okay

so there are different ways

(and authentication and authorisation are different, but that's not relevant now)

take a simple case

do you know what HTTP headers are?

[glacial yoke]

yea

[vestal hound]

okay

so one common way to authenticate

is to send a header

with a token in it

the backend

will verify that the token identifies a user

[vestal hound]

this is what you need to do in Django

there are different abstractions

but if you're using basic Django

then

[vestal hound]

there is a decorator for it

[glacial yoke]

yeah, but how would I send this header from react to django?

[vestal hound]

that basically wraps your view and returns early if the user doesn't have the appropriate credentials.

[glacial yoke]

can you give me a small exmaple

[vestal hound]

I don't remember, but there's defo functionality for it

https://stackoverflow.com/questions/44617825/passing-headers-with-axios-post-request

When using Axios, in order to pass custom headers, supply an object containing the headers as the last argument

so this is something quite easy to Google

you should get used to it

okay, so

you would also send

your message or whatever in the body

and now on the Django side

your view would extract that

[glacial yoke]

i would write it to db?

[vestal hound]

and do whatever with it

yes

[glacial yoke]

ok

[vestal hound]

then you return a response

[glacial yoke]

makes sense

[vestal hound]

now, on the React side

your callback

gets the response

(or you can use async/await)

and you can check the status code from there

[glacial yoke]

and shows the message on website?

[vestal hound]

and handle it appropriately in your frontend

[vestal hound]

maybe, or not

depends.

on what you wanna do

[glacial yoke]

ok

[vestal hound]

got it?

[rotund perch]

btw he should handle JS function for CSRF Cookie

[glacial yoke]

yeah

thanks

[rotund perch]

if it gave you 401 Forbidden, I think thats the solution ^^

[glacial yoke]

btw, another question, if I wanted to make a logging in system through a social media, like facebook

Because in that case, I wouldn't need users info on the account, I just would like to receive a callback of his username

so in that case, headers wouldn't really work

how could I do it? @vestal hound

[vestal hound]

look up oauth2

[glacial yoke]

ok

[glacial yoke]

sheiat, auth0 and oauth2 makes it so much easier to do this stuff, thanks

[thick hull]

how do i change the embed title, icon and description? i got the title and description but idk bout icon

like https://pypi.org

the icon here

[eternal blade]

Hello, I am making an login api using drf (im using django-rest-knox for the authentication)

class LoginAPI(generics.GenericAPIView):
  serializer_class = LoginSerializer

  def post(self, request, *args, **kwargs):
    serializer = self.get_serializer(data=request.data)
    serializer.is_valid(raise_exception=True)
    user = serializer.validated_data
    token = AuthToken.objects.create(user)[1]
    return Response({
      "user": UserSerializer(user, context=self.get_serializer_context()).data,
      "token": token
    })``` The LoginSerializer ```py
class LoginSerializer(serializers.Serializer):
  username = serializers.CharField()
  password = serializers.CharField()

  def validate(self, data):
    user = authenticate(**data)
    if user and user.is_active:
      return user
    raise serializers.ValidationError("Incorrect Credentials")
``` When I send a request to the api using postman with the correct credentials I get a 401 error, I assume this is because I have not set the authorization header with the token in my request. how can remove the requirement for the authorization header?

[rotund perch]

What is the error?

[opaque rivet]

holy... AWS is a pain to learn, but it's so bloody useful. I love it.

[grave raft]

how can I deploy django drmatiq in production on ec2 ubuntu, nginx is reverse proxy and gunicorn server

[grave raft]

one more question how can I design a model in which I can store some pandas rows and then return them in serialized form

[polar nova]

does anyone know pdf to image converting tool except pdf2img

[opaque rivet]

Has anybody used certbot with nginx when it's dockerized?

[mystic wyvern]

I don't ensure you can remove the token from header you should every time you use post send the token with it

[amber beacon]

hey all, I have a timestamp stored in my db with the following format:

strftime("%Y-%m-%d %H:%M:%S")

Now, I am getting the rows and wanted to calculate the elapsed time till now (time now - timestamp saved in the db).
I've tried the following:

time_now = datetime.datetime.now().strftime("%Y-%m-%d %H:%M:%S")
elapsed_time = time_now - each_doc['creation_time']
print("Elapsed time: "+elapsed_time)

but got the error below:

elapsed_time = time_now - each_doc['creation_time']
TypeError: unsupported operand type(s) for -: 'str' and 'str'

Any ideas on how I can do this simple calculation?

[mystic wyvern]

Try to convert time_now and each_code to integers

[amber beacon]

@mystic wyvern I converted both variables to int but getting another error now:

ValueError: invalid literal for int() with base 10:

oh I got it, it worked. Thanks!

def datetime_to_int(dt):
    return int(dt.strftime("%Y%m%d%H%M%S"))

[mystic wyvern]

❤️ 🙂

[fossil loom]

Hi im learning django but i was wondering if there is a good database to use with django or i can use any db listed here : https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/3.2/topics/install/#database-installation

[oak oak]

Can anyone tell me how to make a simple web browser using python, without PyQt5

?

[eternal blade]

Sorry for the delay, This is the script I am using to send the request ```py
import requests

res = requests.post("http://127.0.0.1:8000/api/auth/login/",
data={"email": "[e-mail]", "password": "1234"})

print(res.status_code)It prints `401` and when I check the terminal where the django server is running it shows thispy
Unauthorized: /api/auth/login/
[31/Aug/2021 18:54:59] "POST /api/auth/login/ HTTP/1.1" 401 58```

I double checked the credentials

[eternal blade]

oh

[rotund perch]

Yes I think u need to send the token with the request

[stark tartan]

(django ,python django Channels)Tell me if it is possible or not??

I am building a social media website like I Instagram I want to send real-time notifications to user like when other user like you post etc ..

Can a use Django channels and send a web push notifications to user

But how can I integrate django channels for whole I have implemented it for chating (for chating route ONLY /chats)
can I use same for whole website for all routes

[eternal blade]

But that is the login api, the frontend will send a request to it (with credentials) and get the token

The api will return the token

[opaque rivet]

"Can a use Django channels and send a web push notifications to user" - yep

[dusk portal]

i want to give user feature to follow and following button can i do that by IntegerField i only want it to show no. of following and followers and when someone clicks it increases rather then that nothing , i even dont want user to see who have followed

@opaque rivet @eternal blade

[opaque rivet]

yep

[dusk portal]

ohk cool

[dense slate]

You can also do that with some simple ajax rather than getting websockets all setup.

[dusk portal]

ohh how

and why would i use web sockets im not making chat app xD

[stark tartan]

did you have any project i want to see how to do that

[dusk portal]

what? that's what im asking here

i have any projects like rest api projects , ecommerce

and some tricky stuff like

how to get order history of only the user who's logged in not other

profile only of that who's logged in

[opaque rivet]

where do you guys get SSL certificates from?

[stark tartan]

can you help me in my project

[dusk portal]

ohk what r u making

[dense slate]

Sorry I thought you wanted to include websockets or something last week.

[dense slate]

But websockets is not just for chat, it's for any real-time data setup.

[dense slate]

certbot

[lucid vine]

websockets have more usecases beside just chatting

[opaque rivet]

I've tried. I don't understand how to complete the ACME challenge.

[dusk portal]

mobile push notifications

and?

[opaque rivet]

certbot makes a request to my backend on a URL like: <my_domain>/.well-known/acme-challenge/4nHueVuk610z_NmFpaCNyP9xoSTWcfLVpALgw4DQQuo - how am I meant to know the token here?

[lucid vine]

multiplayer games for example

[dusk portal]

yes

in which

we want output

instantly

where we use non-http protocols

right?

[lucid vine]

I suggest https://github.com/caddyserver/caddy. It takes very short time to learn and provides automatic HTTPS, no setup required at all

[dusk portal]

class Profile(models.Model):
    user=models.ForeignKey(User,on_delete=models.CASCADE,default='unknownuser')
    about=models.CharField(max_length=200)
    image=models.ImageField(default='default.jpeg',upload_to='Profile_Pics')
    follower=models.IntegerField(default=0)
    following=models.IntegerField(default=0)
```how can i ensure that 1 user can follow another user for only 1 time

;-;

ummm

[lucid vine]

set unique constraint on foreign key?

[dusk portal]

user=models.ForeignKey(User,on_delete=models.CASCADE,default='unknownuser')
in this i should use unique=True?

[lucid vine]

I think so, but you should change default to NULL then

also update old records

[dusk portal]

yes

[stark tartan]

he can you help me on a vc

[dusk portal]

btw im using OneToOneField

[lucid vine]

I am not familiar with the ORM you are using

[dusk portal]

class Profile(models.Model):
    user=models.OneToOneField(User,on_delete=models.CASCADE)
    about=models.CharField(max_length=200)
    image=models.ImageField(default='default.jpeg',upload_to='Profile_Pics')
    follower=models.IntegerField(default=0)
    following=models.IntegerField(default=0)```

[stark tartan]

sir replay me

[opaque rivet]

Read through the page a bit, I'm not sure on what it does. Is it a replacement for nginx?

[dusk portal]

umm ohkay w8 coming

[lucid vine]

yes

You can do everything you can do with nginx in it. Static files, reverse proxy...

Setup is done with a simple file similar to nginx-conf

I personally run it with docker and reverse proxy all requests to frontend/backend containers to ensure they all have https

@opaque rivet https://caddyserver.com/docs/getting-started

[bitter vessel]

can I use Django to create windows based applications?

[lucid vine]

nope

[opaque rivet]

interesting... I'm thinking whether to use it.
I have containerized nginx and my backend services on an EC2 instance. But I'm having major troubles using certbot to get SSL certificates to use in my nginx conf.

All I need from nginx is SSL and reverse proxy. Staticfiles are catered for from a cdn. Would caddy be an easy replacement?

[lucid vine]

I started using it because it was easy to setup and it's unbeliveable but yeah 100% no setup required for HTTPS and as I said you can reverse proxy

[opaque rivet]

and it handles SSL certificates auto-renew?

[lucid vine]

yes, everything is automatic

you never have to think about it, just run and forget

It shouldn't take you more then a couple hours to setup

[opaque rivet]

damn, I am sold. I'm going to try one last thing and if it doesn't work I'll move to it. Thanks 🙂 👍

[lucid vine]

also if you have any questions there is a great community https://caddy.community/

[bitter vessel]

can you suggest any framework (python based) to create windows based application

[lucid vine]

tkinter, qt for python come to mind

there is also pysimplegui

which is good for beginners

[bitter vessel]

thx

[fast lava]

Hello

[eternal blade]

Hello

[fast lava]

#help-cupcake

If anybody knows

Django

please help me

[dense slate]

https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-secure-nginx-with-let-s-encrypt-on-ubuntu-20-04

It's basically all automatic.

[fast lava]

can u help me

[lapis basalt]

Please @all any help
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/69000946/perform-tests-on-a-route-calling-another

[opaque rivet]

I have no clue why it's not working, but for me it fails when using certbot --nginx -d <my_domain>. It's making a request to http://uni-halls.com/.well-known/acme-challenge/vup6XOCpiLOZb90LfDu5vINiH0LQ-DPUL68gsqPIImg and I don't have access to that ACME token.

think I'm just going to buy a SSL certificate and get certs that way.

such an unbelievable headache

[native tide]

return render_template('index.html',discord_url = 'https://github.com') why?

[manic frost]

why what?

[native tide]

why that

[native tide]

i got error for render_template

[manic frost]

What error?

[dense slate]

so what's the error

[native tide]

i fixed im dumb

[dense slate]

Using sudo?

[native tide]

okay now there is the real problem

[opaque rivet]

yep

[eternal blade]

maybe you didnt start the server

[dense slate]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[native tide]

i did.

[opaque rivet]

indeed

[eternal blade]

Thanks

[native tide]

🤨

why?? ? ? ?

[dense slate]

You don't offer us any information about errors or what else you have tried.

It is impossible to help.

[native tide]

there is no errors

!code

 * Serving Flask app 'main' (lazy loading)
 * Environment: production
   WARNING: This is a development server. Do not use it in a production deployment.
   Use a production WSGI server instead.
 * Debug mode: on
 * Running on http://127.0.0.1:5000/ (Press CTRL+C to quit)
 * Restarting with stat
 * Debugger is active!
 * Debugger PIN: 944-197-235

[native tide]

just this

[dense slate]

What is the url in your browser?

[native tide]

http://127.0.0.1:5000/

[rotund perch]

Anyone did a website using django and got a lot of users using it, is there a way to make database quiries optimized and faster, since making some unoptimized queries leads to much costs & bad performance.

[dense slate]

Sometimes for me, on my laptop, it doesn't connect when i launch it in vs code and i have to restart vs code is my computer.

What are you running Flask in?

[native tide]

replit

i get same thing in vsc

[raven harbor]

guys i have some issue posted in #help-mango can someone help?

[tawny pollen]

I have a django question

[ionic raft]

Ask away

[tawny pollen]

in urls.py, i see /int:pk/ sometimes /uuid:pk/ when do I use int or when do I use uuid?

[eternal blade]

You cant access it on your pc then

[ionic raft]

uuid is more rare, and I believe (I may not be completely accurate here) that it would be used in token creation.

[eternal blade]

127.0.0.1 is local

[ionic raft]

In general, I've used int:pk LOTS...and uuid once IIRC

[tawny pollen]

ok thanks

[ionic raft]

Others may have deeper insight. Definitely a bit of speculation on my part. Feel free to research

I've seen so much Django the past 1.5 months that it's a bit of a blur still

[dense slate]

Uuid is just a method of assigning unique identifiers to an object. You can use anything you want to identify an object.

[tawny pollen]

form = RenewBookForm(initial={'renewal_date': proposed_renewal_date})
why is initial a dictionary type ?

[dense slate]

pk, uuid, an integer, a slug, etc.

[ionic raft]

That makes sense, and why I've seen it once for password resetting IIRC

[dense slate]

Yea, you usually want unique keys for auth.

I usually have a standard db-generated pk integer and a uuid for every object in my db that would need to be referenced in the future.

[rotund perch]

Try allowed hosts and Cors headers, If u are using external frontend for making api requests

If the error is still there, u may be using a decorator or a default setting that makes anyone wants to access any view/url must be logged in since its written in the error unauthorized.

[rotund perch]

Anyone?

[nova sonnet]

my createview isnt saving to a database, there are no errors that are popping up, can someone help me?

[rotund perch]

Myb u forgot
.save()

[nova sonnet]

ive added it

in the form_valid method

[rotund perch]

U are saving users?

[nova sonnet]

just an object

[rotund perch]

Can u send code i will try to help if i can

and view?

[nova sonnet]

that is the view

you mean template?

[rotund perch]

sorry the form

[nova sonnet]

any idea?

[rotund perch]

did u try to create it using django admin?

yes I mean try tologin to the admin dashboard and create

[nova sonnet]

yep it works in admin

[rotund perch]

ok so the problem may be in the url?

[nova sonnet]

can you explain further?

[dense slate]

your action is ""

it needs to be the url to the view

[cerulean badge]

i want to make an app for the admin side of an ecommerce site can i name it admin? or will it clash with django's admin? if yes what should i name it?

[dense slate]

If you put a print statement in your view, first line, does it print it upon submitting? That way we know if it's even calling it fro the form (which I bet it's not) @nova sonnet

[nova sonnet]

on the valid method?

[dense slate]

what?

[nova sonnet]

where should i put the print?

[dense slate]

first line of the function/method where the post code is

[nova sonnet]

yep it aint, so should i just fill in the action?

[dense slate]

with the url/path yes

[rotund perch]

can u show the urls.py