#ot0-no-stealth-portals-please

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serene dagger
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its easier to do the sexism if you begin it by making those distinctions

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thats why language is gendered

sick olive
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im so confused

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why is their 72 genders 😆

dusty aspen
serene dagger
sick olive
serene dagger
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thats still wrong lol

sick olive
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not really

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science proves male and female exist

sonic glacier
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how are you defining those?

dusty aspen
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"male" and "female" are terms associated with gender identity, aren't they?

sick olive
sick olive
serene dagger
sick olive
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biologically your sex is either male or female

sonic glacier
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hmm that isn't true though

sick olive
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ah shit their can be like xxy as well

serene dagger
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have u seen yours?

sonic glacier
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indeed there can

sick olive
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ok in that case well idk

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maybe non-binary which covers anything else?

serene dagger
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maybe just stop throwing people into boxes lol, i just like the box of "is person" for anyone that is alive and outside of the womb thats the only valid gender

sick olive
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then were done

serene dagger
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but then in vitro fertilization would be person on a petri dish pithink

sick olive
serene dagger
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even my labels dont work lol rip i give up
maybe person can be "autonomous alive human"

sick olive
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starting to think this would work

sonic glacier
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gender is typically considered a phenomenon observed in the world
it's one thing to say we should have a genderless society, but it would be inaccurate to describe our society as genderless

sick olive
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i want to go back to 2014 world cup

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where world was great and fun and simple

cursive agate
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lets just call people "it" so they feel objectified

serene dagger
static trout
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or just dont refer to people smh

sick olive
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or just dont leave your house and never talk to anyone

serene dagger
sick olive
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i stg in like 5 years everyone finna be a fat ass mf who dont leave their house

cursive agate
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if everyone calls themselves "it", then we also understand that the world is of importance too and objectification will be eradicated and "it" will become the universal pronoun where it encompasses all genders under one umbrella, be it animals, humans, toys, trees, and butterflies

static trout
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we have school in 15 days

ocean walrus
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I have school tomorrow

static trout
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and nobody in the school are finished with their notebooks

serene dagger
ocean walrus
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lmao

static trout
sick olive
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ive had school for about 2.5 months

oak hemlock
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I'm angy

sick olive
oak hemlock
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who updated the Windows emoji

cursive agate
static trout
cursive agate
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wait its 2 yrs now almost

oak hemlock
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no

sick olive
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im still skinny i need to bulk

ocean walrus
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hm, I don't like talking to people my age, but I don't get tired hanging around with people I like

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so that would make me not an introvert, but im not an extrovert

serene dagger
oak hemlock
sick olive
oak hemlock
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look at how awful these look

ocean walrus
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I'm 14

hollow holly
ocean walrus
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I mean IRL

oak hemlock
ocean walrus
sick olive
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ofc lol

ocean walrus
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what kind of disgusting things are those

oak hemlock
ocean walrus
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and why do yu have them

hollow holly
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It’s not a meme

ocean walrus
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banned

oak hemlock
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like I have a hard time thinking people actually like them

ocean walrus
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dawn your a mod now

sick olive
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i remember having a nook lmfao

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i had those blobs

serene dagger
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yooo just wait till 30 thats where the health up keeping game begins @cursive agate lemon_smug

static trout
oak hemlock
static trout
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no i want em

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im in the beta release channel so

sick olive
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apple emojis are best

sinful lark
serene dagger
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no apple got rid of my 🔫

oak hemlock
static trout
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ah oki the current update will do it

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sinful lark
sick olive
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thats android emojis

oak hemlock
static trout
sinful lark
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oh ur on win11?

serene dagger
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its literally apple's fault that we have popo 🔫

oak hemlock
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I'm on Windows 11, yes

sinful lark
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win11 🤢

sick olive
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ubuntu

sinful lark
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if they ever force it on me, i will forever switch to ubuntu

oak hemlock
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tbh Windows 11 isn't that bad

sinful lark
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now i use windows for gaming and browsing and ubuntu for programming

oak hemlock
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the only thing I really hate is these emoji

static trout
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bro emoji good

oak hemlock
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no.

ocean walrus
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I've managed to make gta run on linux

sick olive
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i use windows on vm for word lol

oak hemlock
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I wish we could install JoyPixels on Windows

serene dagger
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i think w11 looks p good actually pithink

ocean walrus
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although people were saying that it does runfine

sick olive
sinful lark
oak hemlock
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and it runs better than it does on Windows

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praise Lutris and Proton GE

sinful lark
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ive always heard linux is not very well optimized for gaming but could be false

oak hemlock
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Most games will actually run better on Linux than on Windows

serene dagger
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yeah the gaming is fine i just dont like the input stuff its super wonky to get my mouse tuned properly lol

sinful lark
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ah

oak hemlock
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The main problem is anticheats who choose not to work on Linux

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but that might change in the near future with EAC and Battleye

serene dagger
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ngl mouse input is super shit and inconsistent between distros lmao

oak hemlock
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I've not noticed such a thing

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Maybe between DEs, but I doubt between distros

serene dagger
oak hemlock
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er

serene dagger
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yeah DE ig

sinful lark
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why is that do u think

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is it delayed inputs?

serene dagger
oak hemlock
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I bet it's just mouse speed

sinful lark
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ohh

serene dagger
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and the mouse speed is also all over the place

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at least on windows i can tune my mouse properly lol

oak hemlock
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the mouse settings are better on Wayland

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everything's kinda better on Wayland

sick olive
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idrk why im on linux tbh

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someone told me it was cool lol

oak hemlock
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What distro did you pick?

sick olive
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ubuntu

serene dagger
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never done wayland but all of x11 mouse stuff I've tried has been hell and i never got it to work how i wanted lemon_angrysad

oak hemlock
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phew

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you passed my sanity check

sick olive
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yeah its good

sinful lark
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yeah i use ubuntu too

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i really like it

sick olive
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only issues are compatibility

sinful lark
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i am ordering a framework laptop soon, ill install ubuntu on it too

sick olive
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other than that its nice

serene dagger
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it feels better to game on a windows vm than dealing with Linux mouse settings lol

sick olive
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however its impossible to close your vm when you give it 15gb/16gb of ur ram

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my main is always like potato

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gtg

serene dagger
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i got it working with a script that closes vm on windows shutdown it was fine

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but not coming back until mouse settings make some sort of sense lol

sinful lark
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yeah i need my mouse to precise whenever i game xqcTF

ocean walrus
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very smooth

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Its rated gold on protonDB

cursive agate
ocean walrus
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I have an i510400, gtx 1660 super, and 16gb ram

serene dagger
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bruh i just install windows and click disable acceleration and the games feel good, idk what numbers and stuff to put on x11 mouse stuff

ocean walrus
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I ran it through proton

serene dagger
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actually linux is fine literally all my problems are with x11 lmao

ocean walrus
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lmao

cursive agate
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protonGE is bae

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anyway fuck you windows for using chkdsk on my linux drive

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if windows will corrupt the binaries again, imma nuke my linux distro first and once i graduate, i will nuke windows completely

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and reinstall linux

serene dagger
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imagine not having dedicated disks for your os

static trout
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that was very dum

rough marsh
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@oak hemlock SunglassesFluent CatFluent FlushedFluent

ocean walrus
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ew

oak hemlock
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don't remind me 😔

rough marsh
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JoyFluent this one is kinda gross ngl

ocean walrus
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they're all gross

rough marsh
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like bad play dough art

static trout
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no u

hollow holly
rough marsh
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but aboo

ocean walrus
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yes

rough marsh
ocean walrus
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D:

hollow holly
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I love play dough emojis

oak hemlock
serene dagger
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:D

static trout
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that one's good

ocean walrus
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blasphemy

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the reddish tint is off putting

hollow holly
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Not really, just that Beacon’s not lying

ocean walrus
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pfft

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what file have you defined it in??

cursive agate
hollow holly
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What does it do

oak hemlock
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:faint:

clear condor
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what does pycereal do?

cursive agate
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my distro is on a separate disk and still windows will check it

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

serene dagger
ocean walrus
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oop

cursive agate
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idk what they added there but fuck

serene dagger
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why u on 11

clear condor
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win 10 good

cursive agate
serene dagger
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rip in pieces

ocean walrus
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rest in piece in pieces

serene dagger
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idk imma wait on 11 still no hurry here

hearty prawn
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pog

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yes meow

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oh right i need to look through the repo to find "PyCereal" commits

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omg nice

sick olive
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anyone play minecraft here?

oak hemlock
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Not me

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jade wedge
jade wedge
hearty prawn
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@royal jetty

static trout
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@solid prawnhimod

hearty prawn
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i finished the auth sustem

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lmfao.

sick olive
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cool handwriting

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static trout
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i feel like this is an efficient way to multiply/divide by 2

sick olive
fathom yew
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Good Morning ☕!

sick olive
fathom yew
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can someone share me the code of notepad++ stylers.xml file? I messed it up and it doesn't fix after reinstalling 3 times. not sus

shut prawn
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can i share a link here? of a server?

fathom yew
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you can if it's allowed

shut prawn
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no it is not alloweed sed

fathom yew
oak hemlock
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I just realized something weird

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When I skip songs... these characters shift left and right

unknown.png
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they do a little subtle dance

pure goblet
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Hello folks whats a good project idea in which I can use both python and c++(for beginners)

sharp raven
fathom yew
dusty quarry
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Snake is yum tum

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sick olive
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rip snek

royal jetty
tardy glen
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Guys Plss Help me in this prblm..

dusty quarry
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Snek blood

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hearty prawn
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guys

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help

dusty quarry
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K

hearty prawn
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i've hinted ENOUGH???

cursive agate
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what is this

hearty prawn
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me taking to my crush

cursive agate
hearty prawn
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this is my 5th try.

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not with the same girl, different girls

dusty quarry
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Do you see them IRL?

cursive agate
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you know.... just tell her. but i gtg because i have to study :)

hearty prawn
hearty prawn
cursive agate
hearty prawn
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i need courage

pliant canyon
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ez

cursive agate
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you dont need courage. you need honesty and sincerity. just tell her lol. rejection is a good way to learn ;)

oak hemlock
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oh yes. I just saw a Facebook post that a friend from a few years ago was arrested for stealing from unlocked cars

dusty quarry
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Tell her "she is the person who you know the most"

sick olive
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Give her a cookie

viral hull
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just ask if she wants to hang out sometime.

dusty quarry
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Not "sometime" or it will never happen

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Be decisively lead and come up with one

viral hull
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true enough, pick a time

dusty quarry
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Also don’t ask if she wanna hangout

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Start with Let’s..

novel hull
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yeah, there's a big semantic diff between hanging out and a more date-ish kind of thing

kind horizon
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I used to have that problem when I was high school, but at some point, I learned to just tell someone if I like them.

oak hemlock
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I had that problem until I realized that I really should not be dating

kind horizon
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The trick to getting away with this, is you have to make it apparent that if they are not interested, you are not going to be dramatic and incurably upset.

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If you can transition from, "If you want to I would be interested in..." to, "Oh, no? That's cool, no problem."

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You cant become sad puppy dog.

oak hemlock
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I'm the type of person to just never say how I feel because I can never trust my feelings lemon_fingerguns_shades

kind horizon
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Word. Well, being aware of that is pretty useful as well.

kind horizon
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And it was armed robbery.

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I used to hang out with that guy.

oak hemlock
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oh my

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yeah they found a gun on this guy

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apparently he stole that too

kind horizon
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He always had a problem where he would get drunk and get into fights. So I assumed it was that, like... I assumed he got himself in over his head like he used to when we would go out drinking.

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But I thought, "Prison seems like a lot..."

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You never know what people are capable of i think

oak hemlock
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don't do drugs kids 😔

kind horizon
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I dont know if it was that or not. It could have been. I havent seen him since I was in high school.

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So there is no telling what direction his life went.

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He's one of those people where everyone in the city you live in knows him on social media, and if you go out to a club or some place, every single person knows him.

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It was so weird to discover that about him/

oak hemlock
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I guess it's quite depressing that someone goes down far enough to do things like that

kind horizon
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yeah

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His job was working as a machinist, which isn't a terrible job. It's still a lot of work in shop with dangerous equipment

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but it pays alright...

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I would have to ask to know why and Im not gonna haha

cursive agate
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i forgot..i have one more available nvme ssd slot

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m.2 go brrr. imma save up zzz

sick olive
kind horizon
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I feel like I've reached the point where spending more money on my computer is just absurd.

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I could upgrade my desktop and not even notice the difference I think.

sick olive
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anyone know how I can change my BIOS's shortcut
its f12 right now, I want to change it to another key

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like to enter the BIOS during boot?

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yup

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where the config settings are @sick olive .

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there is no easy way to do that

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hmm

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is there a tutorial

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unless your BIOS has that somewhere in its settings, but I doubt it

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You could flash another BIOS, but I strongly recommend against

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that's a good way to brick your device

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ye im not gonna do that

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i remember trying to change my username and the whole OS decided to not work

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you heard that right, never again.

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im using DELL, Windows right now, is there a way to change my key shortcut to BIOS?

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from f12 to something else

oak hemlock
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I've discovered another Discord Mobile discrepancy

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``````

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if you see ``````, then you're on Discord for Desktop...
If you see `\` then you're on Discord for Mobile

oak hemlock
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There's not going to be way unless:

  1. You remap the key physically on your keyboard (which very, very few keyboards support)
  2. You replace your whole motherboard because IIRC that is where the keys are defined
vague pulsar
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Does anyone know julia

solid prawn
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bonjour

vague pulsar
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Just need help with this error Ive been receiving

solid prawn
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whats the error

vague pulsar
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It's fairly simple im just trying some stuff out

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solid prawn
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your file isn't saved

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ctrl S and run again

vague pulsar
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Just saved it and still the same

solid prawn
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interesting

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i'm pretty sure det is in LinearAlgebra

vague pulsar
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It works for getting the inverse of the matrix, but when I type det, it doesnt show

vague pulsar
solid prawn
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julia> using LinearAlgebra

julia> A = [7 -6; 9 -7]
2×2 Matrix{Int64}:
 7  -6
 9  -7

julia> det(A)
5.000000000000006
vague pulsar
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Weird, why isn't it working for me in vscode

cursive agate
sick olive
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im using DELL/Windows right now

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any way to change the shortcut

oak hemlock
vague pulsar
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Woops, I needed to call using LinearAlgebra first (like run it seperately)

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Thanks @solid prawn

solid prawn
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np

oak hemlock
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How exactly does this fix any problem

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I'm very confused

sick olive
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this wont really work but hiding where the real shortcut key is will somewhat help + long password

oak hemlock
sick olive
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im unsure what he did but it needed access to BIOS

oak hemlock
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Reset the password or reset the computer

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because a vulnerability like that definitely isn't supposed to be possible

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There's nothing Windows-specific in the BIOS

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you can't mess with the Windows unless you have access to Windows

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I have my doubts.

sick olive
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He used an external OS to do this btw

oak hemlock
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The situations are:

  1. Your computer is flawed
  2. You don't know the whole situation
  3. Your uncle is some hacker
sick olive
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  1. most likely
  2. based
oak hemlock
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Deleting those messages is quite annoying, frankly

sick olive
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¯_(ツ)_/¯

oak hemlock
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but what you're asking to do isn't going to be possible

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Even if you disable the shortcut

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there are plenty of other ways to access the BIOS

sick olive
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its still possible to access theBIOS

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yes im aware of that

oak hemlock
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and that's not accounting for the fact that all your data is on a hard drive

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and it won't spare you of anything

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I refuse to believe that what you say is reasonably possible

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Access to the BIOS will do you next to none because it's not even required for you to be able to install another OS onto the hard drive

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that can be done with just the one time boot menu

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Windows isn't going to let you just reset the password with some magic access to the BIOS. It's my bet that your uncle simply reinstalled Windows by wiping the drive

sick olive
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all the data was intact

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no data was lost, the drive was encrypted.

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2 accounts, admin, user.
dad used user but forgotten the password to admin

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@oak hemlock

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he bypassed it, unsure how

oak hemlock
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A reset of some kind would have had to have been in place

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and it was likely just resetting the admin user

sick olive
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could you elaborate how that works :3

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that seems very likely

oak hemlock
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all the data is on the user account

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the admin account is just for running things with elevated permissions, for the most part

sick olive
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how did he change the admin account tho

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and how can i not allow that to happen to my laptop?

oak hemlock
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My guess is that it wasn't changed

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simply reset and/or deleted and replaced

oak hemlock
static trout
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@solid prawn you have become a mod
the ranks of poop have risen to one of the highest positions
please dont poopify us

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also congrats

solid prawn
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thank

sick olive
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im guessing that he changed the admin privileged account?

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istn that a vuln

oak hemlock
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Frankly, if you're this worried then you can just encrypt your hard drive

sick olive
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imagine not encrypting your hard drive

oak hemlock
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What you're trying to do won't help you in the long run

sick olive
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the PC was encrypted

oak hemlock
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You're definitely a bit over paranoid about the wrong things

sick olive
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ok nvm, i realized my mistake

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even if he changed the admin account, he cant access my information on the main user account

oak hemlock
sick olive
sick olive
oak hemlock
feral lynx
sick olive
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but still, if someone could change the admin account, isnt it a vuln since he could change the config? im pretty confused with how windows account works

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the PC's settings

solid prawn
oak hemlock
sick olive
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So I don't know if I should use SQLAlchemy or manual database operations like a big girl

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SQLAlechemy or SQLite is good enough

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ready made, tested, used irl

sick olive
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I mean, you could swap the password store

sick olive
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but I really doubt your BIOS can do that

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if it is encrypted it is 100% impossible

oak hemlock
sick olive
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very based, thanks guy, never thought i could have this sort of convo in a p.language server

sick olive
oak hemlock
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but if it's encrypted, then you have the assurance that even if they try to read the data... they're not going anywhere unless they have the decryption key

sick olive
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IMO everyone should encrypt their hard drive

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whenever it is password or physical key based

oak hemlock
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tbh I didn't encrypt my drive because transferring stuff from Windows was becoming a pain

sick olive
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well, just boot into linux and mount the Win drive

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that's the easiest way to do it

oak hemlock
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can't do that if it's encrypted

sick olive
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also you can still encrypt it, although it takes a hot minute

oak hemlock
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unless I'm misremembering what happened

sick olive
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its possible just unencrypt it

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decrypt it when u need it**

oak hemlock
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I'm having trouble figuring out where most of my disk space is going to

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Where on Earth am I using like 190 GB

solid prawn
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hello your computer has virus

oak hemlock
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tales of a Windows user

solid prawn
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run wiztree or something idk

oak hemlock
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it'd be nice if like... some of my apps would actually show up as apps

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I blame EpicGames

quasi cape
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but :D

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oak hemlock
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Should name that SSD "Aboo"

quasi cape
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oh yes

solid prawn
oak hemlock
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or just "Hi" lmao

quasi cape
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lol

quasi cape
oak hemlock
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pog ression

solid prawn
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pog ression

oak hemlock
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Why are Windows development things so insanely chonky

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the Windows SDK is 2 GB

hearty prawn
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i just made an entire authentication system

novel hull
oak hemlock
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more sketchy freeware lmao

sick olive
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_Facebook_outage lmao there is a wiki page

2021 Facebook outage

On October 4, 2021, at 15:39 UTC, the social network Facebook and its subsidiaries, Messenger, Instagram, WhatsApp, Mapillary, and Oculus, became globally unavailable for a period of six to seven hours. The outage also prevented anyone trying to use "Log in with Facebook" from accessing third-party sites.During the outage, many users flocked to ...

solid prawn
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damn

sick olive
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hmm, is there a popular website I can use as an example that will only be served from the US or something?

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I want to do a traceroute and shows it goes through many AS

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Hey @quasi hill#6000 is this even possible?

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wat

oak hemlock
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that's... awkward lol

sick olive
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hey @limber scaffold, can I somehow get the list of AS that my request goes through to get a certain host?

lofty cypress
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tfw youre at work and people ask you to actually do work

sick olive
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i just found an issue with the bot

what if someone searches an inappropriate term using the wiki command?

do you have censorship against that?'

lofty cypress
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like?

sick olive
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idk?

lofty cypress
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wiki isnt really NSFW, they have their own moderation and i would assume its decent enough to rely on

sick olive
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ehh

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ok

lofty cypress
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?

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did you find an nsfw article or something

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where is this concern even coming from

pine vale
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yo i wanna ask a question about discord perms
can i have two threads in one channel but give write perms in only one thread ?

oak hemlock
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Makes me wonder if you really want a thread in this instance

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doesn't make much sense to me

pine vale
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dont wanna make a whole new channel

oak hemlock
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then what's the point of the thread? lol

pine vale
#

?

oak hemlock
#

because it almost sounds like that's exactly what you'd want

#

Threads are kind of meant to be spontaneous and have the same sort of permissions throughout all of them

deep heath
oak hemlock
#

having a constant thread with different permissions is probably not an appropriate use of them

#

and would be better suited towards a channel

pine vale
#

hmmm so u can't set any perms in threads itself
ok

deep heath
oak hemlock
#

personally I have no clue. If it's not obvious, then my guess is that it's not possible

#

Even if it was, I'd not suggest that format

#

it just doesn't make a whole lot of sense

sick olive
deep heath
pine vale
#

hmm k thx

pliant canyon
solid prawn
#

i did name them

#

are you saying New Volume is a bad name

eternal trail
#

new volume is a beautiful name

solid prawn
#

thank you

eternal trail
#

haters gonna hate

solid prawn
#

ikr 😤

oak hemlock
#

lol my laptop came with the SSD named "Windows-SSD"

royal jetty
#

Somehow I find that pretty similar

pliant canyon
solid prawn
#

too bad your opinion doesnt matter

oak hemlock
lofty cypress
#

mod aboos

royal jetty
#

I like that gif

oak hemlock
#

same

pliant canyon
oak hemlock
#

omg

#

it's the zeechinook

royal jetty
#

Aboo must become mod

oak hemlock
#

no

#

we do not need mod aboos

sick olive
deep heath
#

I don't think my ssd/C drive is named at all XD

copper nimbus
pliant canyon
#

bruh

copper nimbus
#

lol

deep heath
#

I just learned about DNS reflection attack. Interesting. I think I heard about it before, but I didn't remember it

sick olive
#

lol what a stupid attack

sick olive
#

what

pale mesa
#

wow

pale mesa
queen sequoia
#

hi

#

i was sitting in my school bus and some 7th class kids pushed me off the seat

serene dagger
#

my ssd has been named samsung-whatevernumbers since 2011 lemon_hyperpleased

queen sequoia
#

self respect -69

#

good thing that they all live near my house

#

so its easy to get revenge

opaque finch
queen sequoia
opaque finch
royal jetty
sick olive
serene dagger
oak hemlock
opaque finch
sick olive
#

well if I understand correctly, if you submit a failing request it won't answer to whoever submitted the request but another IP?

serene dagger
opaque finch
#

I think the incoming request has spoofed its origin IP somehow

summer robin
#

Writing the wrong return address on a letter.

opaque finch
#

I don't know if there's some easy way of detecting that

#

That's why I asked

summer robin
#

That's from back in the day when we used to send around paper caried by humans to communicate.

#

Dang I feel old now 😦

opaque finch
sick olive
#

nah, I think there is a field on the request saying where to answer

summer robin
sick olive
#

!otn a grandpa grote

oak hemlock
#

don't type too hard 😔 you might hurt yourself

sick olive
royal jetty
opaque finch
#

It's not DNS-specific

royal jetty
#

How are you all?

sick olive
#

is it? I think here they use a DNS specific field

sick olive
royal jetty
#

That's good

sick olive
#

not sure what you mean by IP header

#

IP is an addressing scheme, not a transfer protocol

serene dagger
opaque finch
sick olive
#

can you spoof that?

opaque finch
#

I mean, I guess you could send whatever you want.

sick olive
#

sounds like things would break if you do, no?

opaque finch
#

It's just that the OS usually does it for you

sick olive
#

hmmm

#

that's interesting

opaque finch
#

This seems like it's the standard approach in DNS reflection

oak hemlock
#

wait this confuses me... How do servers know where a request came from and that it's not fake

opaque finch
oak hemlock
#

is it not possible to fake like every single aspect of a request?

opaque finch
#

That's why DNS reflection works

summer robin
#

That's the problem: They don'.t

opaque finch
#

It's your PC sending the IP header in the first place

summer robin
#

Seems like a standard amplifications attack?
Hello: here's 10 bytes, this is return address.
Response: Okay I'll send 450 bytes to return address.

oak hemlock
#

So I could totally say that a request is from 0.0.0.0 even though it's not... and there's no way to verify that

#

crazy

sick olive
#

pretty much

#

assuming there is no router in the middle that will detect it is false

#

also that's why mTLS is a thing

opaque finch
sick olive
#

and why you get rickrolled if you try to access the pydis infra

#

well, it would know this route doesn't have access to 0.0.0.0, so it doesn't make any sense

opaque finch
#

Apparently something routers can do is do a routing table lookup on the source IP when a packet arrives, and if the arriving packet didn't arrive on the correct network interface, it's dropped.

#

But I guess this would slow traffic down?

deep heath
# sick olive Y mean phising kinda attack?

That would be dns spoofing, which would lead to giving wrong website for correct url, thus allowing spoofing.

As people above your message already said, it's "writing the wrong return address of a letter". Sending dns requests (which are small) with other source address, so response is sent there instead of the attacker. That's why "dns reflection attack". And dns requests are small, while responses are bigger - that's why it's also called "dns amplicitation attack" (you use dns to amplify your ddos bandwidth)

deep heath
sick olive
#

yeah i mean thats what they do in phishing no? make a small letter change which is usually unrecognizable by user and they just become middle person and serve the website but take data when a request is made and then just make requests with same data to actual site.

opaque finch
deep heath
sick olive
#

Right, right

thick widget
ionic heath
#

lol

sick olive
#

makes sense, I understand thanks @opaque finch
sorry @deep heath i guess I got confused.

opaque finch
deep heath
sick olive
#

0.0.0.0 is actually mapped to a machine

#

Same for 127.0.0.1

#

In case someone mess up really bad

sick olive
deep heath
sick olive
#

The ARPA maps subnets that should be private to blackhole servers

opaque finch
#

It'd be hard to do effective DNS reflection if a high percentage of routers in a network applied source address validation.

sick olive
#

Used to be blackhole-1.iana.org and blackhole-2.iana.org, but people messed up their config too bad and they had to create AS112

sick olive
#

the blackhole servers generally answer thousands of queries per second
lol

#

I stand corrected though, they don't serve 0.0.0.0

sick olive
#

DNS servers can handle that load

#

They are made for that

sick olive
#

just request data changes

opaque finch
#

Looking forward to your novel, Nicky!

deep heath
# sick olive yeah i mean thats what they do in phishing no? make a small letter change which ...

Phishing is in general just saying "I'm from [bank], something happened, give me your data" and hope person doesn't verify it.
It can be connected with other attacks. But it doesn't have to be. And as I said, DNS reflection is NOT the same as DNS spoofing.

Spoofing basically means putting valid but not yours thing somewhere.

Reflection is purely DoS type of attack (generating unwanted traffic that slows down or blocks the service) that involves spoofing in its execution - on the packet level, you spoof (change) source address.
But it's not dns spoofing because you don't spoof dns, you ask a real dns to do something for you (but tell it you're someone else).
Hence wrong return address on a letter analogy.

DNS spoofing is basically as if someone asked you for third person's address and you knowingly give them a wrong one. They have no reason to not believe you. So they themselves write to what they think is that person.

A: "Hi, my grandma's name is [hostname], what was her address?" B (which is a fake dns server or mitm sniffing packets and answering before real dns can do it) answers with wrong IP. -> DNS spoofing
A writes to "grandma".
"Grandma" ask for money -> phishing involved

A sends "hi, I'd like to get address for person [hostname], please write back with info" to lots of (real) DNS servers but puts B's address as return address.
Those DNS servers will send their replies (bigger than A's original messages) to B. -> packets are 'reflected' to different person, hence "reflection", there's also more data than if A just messaged B directly, hence "amplification". Using DNS servers and DNS requests, hence "DNS reflection/amplification"

oak hemlock
#

it's just crazy to me that in the realm of computers it's completely possible to falsify just about everything

#

we've got the wonderful advantage of us as animals all being different in some regard

serene dagger
oak hemlock
#

oh yes

serene dagger
#

I'm totally not falsifying info with my computer trust

opaque finch
deep heath
lofty cypress
#

people falsify research all the time tho

#

gotta get them grant monies

#

or clout

opaque finch
#

There's much less incentive, statistically speaking.

sick olive
#

cryptography fixes this

#

signing, hashes,etc...

opaque finch
sick olive
#

d o o m

opaque finch
#

Which has happened.

#

Several times.

sick olive
#

Californian Aristocrat - CA

limber scaffold
sick olive
rain barn
#

There is a incredibly large incentive to falsify science

#

Predatory publishing is a massive issue and it's used by a ton of companies and lobbyists and snake oil sellers to make profits by saying whatever it is they're peddling is backed by science.

opaque finch
#

Yes, but in the 70s when they first connected a few universities it wasn't a concern.

#

There were no business interests that even had access to the networks.

#

(or knew what to do with it if they did)

serene dagger
#

p sure they already had issues going on with asbestos and radiative paint pithink

opaque finch
#

What does that have to do with this?

serene dagger
#

incentive to falsify science was a thing

opaque finch
#

What does any of this even have to do with spoofing network protocols on the early internet?

serene dagger
#

convo kinda diverted to falsifying science a few messages above pithink

opaque finch
#

Right.

12:49] Nicky | xe/xem they/them | ᓚᘏᗢ🌈: It's because people who created the Internet were idealists and it was originally a research network... No need to falsify anything when there's only research info or talking. It probably became different when for-profit stuff started appearing
[12:49] mariosis: people falsify research all the time tho
These two usages are utterly unrelated.

serene dagger
#

aight bye

oak hemlock
#

y'know switching back and forth between Linux and Windows has given me some weird feelings

#

like... nothing feels right anymore

#

it's very discomforting

#

things as simple as touchpad scrolling feel so wrong and weird on Windows

#

hate this feeling lol

upper turret
#

lol

lofty cypress
#

making a rich powered git log reporting script to trick my boss into thinking im some sort of genius

#

rich is so nice to work with tbh

deep heath
lofty cypress
#

oh, my b then, misread

magic tendon
oak hemlock
#

do y'all happen to remember what the PowerShell equivalent of where is

#

I'm very confused atm

lofty cypress
#

Get-Command?

oak hemlock
#

ah. that's it

#

thank you

viscid flume
#

blindly installing names from apt saved chromeos for me

split atlas
#

Random Q
How would I use something like PostCSS and/or Tailwind? No clue how to get it set up

dusty aspen
split atlas
dusty aspen
#

Yeah

#

But you don't need node, necessarily

split atlas
#

hmm well thanks
Unless theres a better way ill use node cuz already have it installed
Just curious tho, what would i do if i dont use node?

dusty aspen
#

The cli

#

You'd just install node and use that

split atlas
#

yep, kk ty

dusty aspen
#

There's a CDN, but it's sloooow because it has to load hundreds of classes you'll never use

oak hemlock
#

oh no... I've landed in unknown territory

$ clang --include-directory 'C:\Users\56mik\.pyenv\pyenv-win\versions\3.10.0\include' --include-directory 'C:\Users\56mik\.pyenv\pyenv-win\versions\3.10.0\libs' .\launcher.c
LINK : fatal error LNK1104: cannot open file 'python3.lib'
clang: error: linker command failed with exit code 1104 (use -v to see invocation)
#

python3.lib is located in C:\Users\56mik\.pyenv\pyenv-win\versions\3.10.0\libs... did I do something wrong :faint:

split atlas
#

i would usually go the cdn route but i guess ill use node instead, thanks

clear root
#

@oak hemlockI think the libs should go under the -L flag

#

not the --include-directory flag

oak hemlock
#

Yeah I figure it was something like that but I went the lazy route and made LIB environment variable with that path

# 
❯ clang .\src\launcher.c
In file included from .\src\launcher.c:2:
In file included from C:\Users\56mik\.pyenv\pyenv-win\versions\3.10.0\include\Python.h:8:
C:\Users\56mik\.pyenv\pyenv-win\versions\3.10.0\include/pyconfig.h:59:10: fatal error:
      'io.h' file not found
#include <io.h>
         ^~~~~~
1 error generated.
#

at least it's progress

#

tbh idk how people can manage doing this on Windows lol

pliant canyon
#

whats io.h

oak hemlock
#

great question. I have absolutely no clue

pliant canyon
#

bruh

clear root
#

a windows sdk header

oak hemlock
#

I'm pretty sure I have the Windows SDK installed

lean pebble
#

Windows and compiling issues what is new

clear root
#

are you doing it in the vs developer prompt

lean pebble
#

I can't even compile sklearn kekw

clear root
#

yeah, compiling on windows is weird

solid prawn
#

standard development kit more like substandard development kit amirite

oak hemlock
clear root
#

then try that

oak hemlock
#

the uh.. what now

#

oh boy. well it's a new error this time

dim flicker
#

Wait wtf hsp mod

lean pebble
dim flicker
#

Congrats

solid prawn
#

thanks

clear root
#

you could also just find the paths for the sdk in your filesystem and pass it manually

pliant canyon
oak hemlock
#

and now I'm missing python3.dll it looks like

#

oh boy

pliant canyon
#

add that in too !

clear root
#

I am 100% willing to believe this can be pleasant if you do things the intended way with VS and msbuild and .sln files

#

but that's slow and cumbersome

oak hemlock
#

I think the problem is that i'm using pyenv-win

clear root
#

I don't think so, if you add the folder of the dll to PATH, it should be able to find it

#

if pyenv-win doesn't give you the dll, then ye, you need sth else

oak hemlock
#

I've got the DLL and it's in PATH but uh

# 
/out:launcher.exe
launcher.obj
launcher.obj : error LNK2019: unresolved external symbol __imp__Py_Main referenced in function _wmain
C:\Users\56mik\.pyenv\pyenv-win\versions\3.10.0\libs\python3.lib : warning LNK4272: library machine type 'x64' conflicts with target machine type 'x86'
launcher.exe : fatal error LNK1120: 1 unresolved externals
clear root
#

did you open the 32bit developer prompt?

#

that's the default

oak hemlock
pliant canyon
#

mkao

clear root
#

yeah, that's the wrong one

pliant canyon
#

theres another one?

oak hemlock
#

^

clear root
#

run %comspec% /k "C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft Visual Studio\2019\BuildTools\Common7\Tools\VsDevCmd.bat" /arch=x64

#

yes, it is awful

oak hemlock
#

oh yes

'C:\Program' is not recognized as an internal or external command,
operable program or batch file.
serene dagger
#

lol

oak hemlock
#

I truly don't envy anyone who does this for a living

clear root
#

it isn't too bad, but there is just a lot to figure out that works a bit counter intuitively due to just how old the workflow is

oak hemlock
#

oh hey, it worked

ocean walrus
#

Why are all the commands so large D:

pliant canyon
#

damn

ocean walrus
#

Where are my abbreviations

#

And why the caps

pliant canyon
ocean walrus
#

Hm

clear root
#

it's just running a bat file in a specific location

oak hemlock
#

actually I'm very confused now at what I'm supposed to do

#

For a fully standalone distribution, you can distribute the launcher with your application appended, bundled with the Python “embedded” distribution. This will run on any PC with the appropriate architecture (32 bit or 64 bit).

pale mesa
#

whatchu building hon

oak hemlock
#

Just wanted to test if I can use zipapp to make a standalone .exe

#

it's not going terribly well

#

although the launcher did compile

pale mesa
#

o

oak hemlock
#

I thought you literally just combined the files into one lol

#

some wizardry I thought

pale mesa
#

the thought of python with anything .exe terrifies me

#

i usually just use c# for stuff haha

#

hassle free

sick olive
#

oh no

ocean walrus
#

Python runs on clr now

#

Pyjion

#

Its a drop in replacement for 3.10

#

So with that, wouldn't exes be much easier

#

And it supports c modules too

#

Like cython or numpy

clear root
#

so the launcher just runs Py_Main with the zip+exe file

oak hemlock
#

wait did I do it backwards

ocean walrus
#

Pfft

clear root
#

exe, then the zip file is the correct format I think

oak hemlock
#

oh \🤔 that did not work

#

lol this is very confusing

#

I tried combining the files in both orders

pliant canyon
#

combine it the third way

oak hemlock
# 
❯ .\Test3.exe
ResourceUnavailable: Program 'Test3.exe' failed to run: An error occurred trying to start process 'C:\Users\56mik\PycharmProjects\pythonProject\Test3.exe' with working directory 'C:\Users\56mik\PycharmProjects\pythonProject'. The specified executable is not a valid application for this OS platform.At line:1 char:1
+ .\Test3.exe
+ ~~~~~~~~~~~.
clear root
#

how are you combing the files?

oak hemlock
# 
Get-Content .\src\test_app.pyz, .\launcher.exe | Out-File .\Test3.exe
#

I also tried using type in cmd

clear root
#

I think get-content is for text only

#

so it does sth with newlines

oak hemlock
#

right

clear root
#

in cmd, do

copy a.exe final.exe
type file.pyz >> final.exe
#

type with multiple files also doesn't work like cat

oak hemlock
#

well... it didn't given an error but it also didn't do anything

clear root
#

huh

#

does running just the launcher work?

oak hemlock
#

well it gave an error but idk how to check the code

oak hemlock
clear root
#

huh

ancient mural
#

Executable Python zips?

#

Nice..

oak hemlock
#

okay wait I might've done something wrong alone the way

#

I redid it in cmd

# 
Fatal Python error: init_fs_encoding: failed to get the Python codec of the filesystem encoding
Python runtime state: core initialized
ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'encodings'

Current thread 0x00006af4 (most recent call first):
  <no Python frame>
#

there was more but idk if it was relevant

#

actually I've realized that the error only appears in cmd

#

in PowerShell, it just exits abnormally

carmine egret
oak hemlock
#

I figure it's because of pyenv-win

#

wait maybe not

pale mesa
#

i assume '.\\lib', is pointed to correctly

carmine egret
#

like somethimg screwy with sys.prefix, or where the exe is located (which can influence where it looks for its libraries I think?)

oak hemlock
#

-1073741515... this is the exit code

#

I assume it's a Windows exit code

carmine egret
#

an HRESULT?

oak hemlock
#

In PowerShell, that is the error code I get from running ./final.exe

#

there's no error message unlike in cmd

#

which is the above

ocean walrus
oak hemlock
ocean walrus
#

You already have the py launcher

carmine egret
#

it seems to be STATUS_DLL_NOT_FOUND possinly

oak hemlock
#

oh no

ocean walrus
#

I'd prefer the py launcher over pyenv

oak hemlock
#

granted that I hardly do

ocean walrus
#

I mean, it's not that hard to install

#

On windows

pliant canyon
#

ikr

oak hemlock
#

I wonder if it's that I need to combine the "embeddable" distribution of Python

#

but I have no idea how this works

clear root
#

so, I mostly got it to work, IDK why it doesnt work on your end, I did it with the py launcher, but python doesnt seem to recognise the zip as a zip and complains about the exe not being a proper file

oak hemlock
#

RIP

#

must I really abandon pyenv

lofty cypress
#

yes

#

maybe?

#

what do you even use pyenv for

#

just have 3.9

pastel moss
#

unless you need a full install

oak hemlock
#

and idk what to do with it lol

pastel moss
#

it has an interpreter lol

#

use that

oak hemlock
#

oh hey

#

that worked

#

I mean like

#

using the py launcher version of Python

# 
> final.exe
Hello, world!
pliant canyon
#

nice

#

what are u doing again?

oak hemlock
#

Converting a Python script to an exe without external tools

#

I doubt this one is standalone

#

but idk how I'd test that lol

pliant canyon
#

send it to someone without python

clear root
#

yeah, this way it is not standalone

#

it relies on python3.dll on path

#

if you want not that, I think just placing the final.exe into the embeddable zip next to the .dll there should work

oak hemlock
#

Would I not be able to just... add the dll to the exe like I did with the .pyz?

clear root
#

no, the dll also has links to the other files python needs

#

even pyinstaller just is a self extracting archive

oak hemlock
#

right

#

yeah slapping it into the embedded Python folder works

vapid reef
#

hello

oak hemlock
#

but I'd still like to be able to make a self-containing zip app with this method

#

unless I misunderstood the zipapp page

#

For a fully standalone distribution, you can distribute the launcher with your application appended, bundled with the Python “embedded” distribution. This will run on any PC with the appropriate architecture (32 bit or 64 bit).
This part specifically

clear root
#

yeah, that's that

#

appended, and bundled with the embedded zip

oak hemlock
#

so there's not a way to make a single exe out of this?

clear root
#

to my knowledge no

#

except making it a self extracting archive

oak hemlock
#

and what are the caveats to that?

carmine egret
clear root
#

it is slow to start up

carmine egret
#

would the executable have to contain the zip archive in a data section?

#

might be easier to not zip it

oak hemlock
#

well

#

The interesting thing is that I have made a program that I could distribute without someone needing to install Python

#

granted... I'm basically making them install Python to a single directory in a loose way of speaking

#

I guess packing it into a single .exe wouldn't really help with that

#

other than to make it look nice lol

clear root
lean pebble
#

I think I will get an aneurysm soon.

  1. I deleted my ssh private keys
  2. I just realised how much one of my teammates copy-pastes one codeblock at a time... and better yet the copy pastes are of amazing quality with massive errors
#

It feels like handling the stress created by others is greater than just the stress of the project by itself 🥲

solid prawn
#

F

clear root
#

ye, that's the hard part of a team project

carmine egret
#

I'm thinking how this can be possible without writing some C (or go, or rust)

clear root
#

well, you need to interface with the python C API somehow, unless you go the embedded zip route and just use python.exe

carmine egret
#

python would have to be initialized, seems like, and be told how to find the stdlib modules?

#

the embedded zip route means the finished product isn't executable without a python installed, i guess

clear root
#

the embedded zip route means shipping python with your app

#

then you could just do

@ECHO OFF
REM run.bat
path\to\python -m my_module
carmine egret
#

seems like if you allow a directory for distribution, you could have python.exe be your entry executable, and add the calls to your main module (and whatever else) by adding a sitecustomize.py

carmine egret
clear root
#

yeah, you could also add a .pth file to the proper location IG

carmine egret
carmine egret
clear root
#

yeah, it can do entry points

lucid ember
#

RIP didn't realize I was in off-topic

oak hemlock
#

ah yes... I broke cmd with 7z

#

y'know I'm perfectly fine with just sticking my executable in the embeddable Python folder

onyx ice
#

Hello, is this a modified discord client?

proud warren
#

Yeah

onyx ice
#

Would you kindly not post images showing that you are breaking discords ToS?

proud warren
#

Sure, sorry about that.

onyx ice
#

No worries. Since we are a partnered server gotta keep it clean

oak hemlock
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actually

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Which part of TOS is that again

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I could swear I remember reading it... but I can't find this section

onyx ice
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I mean, this is in Better Discord's FAQ:

  1. Is this against the terms of service?
    Yes. BetterDiscord violates Discord's terms of service by modifying the client, although there is no evidence that discord either cares or takes actions against users who modify their client. Your account is not at risk for simply using BetterDiscord alone. Abusing the service or using plugins which further violate the Terms of Service can get your account terminated, however. All plugins from our official website are safe.
ocean walrus
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Hi :D

oak hemlock
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I think I found it

You agree not to (and not to attempt to) (i) use the Service for any use or purpose other than as expressly permitted by these Terms;(ii) copy, adapt, modify, prepare derivative works based upon, distribute, license, sell, transfer, publicly display, publicly perform, transmit, stream, broadcast, attempt to discover any source code, reverse engineer, decompile, disassemble, or otherwise exploit the Service or any portion of the Service, except as expressly permitted in these Terms

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although

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this does have me wonder if there's a sort of "loophole" to this

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in that one doesn't modify Discord... but one modifies electron

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That'd be allowed technically, right? \🤔

ocean walrus
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Hm

onyx ice
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At that point though, is it really worth it?

ocean walrus
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The client is electron though

oak hemlock
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okay here's what I'm saying

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You can run Discord on a browser, right?

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modify the browser, basically lol

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and tailor it specifically to Discord

ocean walrus
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Lmao

oak hemlock
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fun idea, nothing but

onyx ice
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If there is a will there is a way

oak hemlock
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I mean it'd be interesting to say the least

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and it's worth pointing out that lot of problematic Discord things are because of electron

onyx ice
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I really haven't had a lot of issues with discord oddly enough

oak hemlock
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sooo if someone were to "fix" Discord by using an in-house electron... there's merit in that, I'd think. All while not breaking TOS

onyx ice
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Maybe I'm not a power user though

oak hemlock
onyx ice
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Well yeah

oak hemlock
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so yeah

ancient mural
onyx ice
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Its my home PC and can run VMs (plus with WSL whats the point)

oak hemlock
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true

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well, I mean like... what if one made it possible for blocks to actually do something other than add a fancy button

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dunno how one would do that... lol but I'm sure it 's possible

sinful lark
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ugh i got $4800 grant by the state but my college only gave me 3100 of it to cover tuition

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I have to pay 600 out of pocket xqcDespair

rough marsh
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huh what's happening to the $1700 then?

oak hemlock
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oh hey. my exe isn't flagged as a virus

sick olive
oak hemlock
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I think that'd definitely be considered client modification

sick olive
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That would?

thick widget
oak hemlock
pliant canyon
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windows smartscreen would disagree

oak hemlock
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it runs without smartscreen

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even though I didn't sign it

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unless I missed it

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or it knows that I am the one who compiled it

clear root
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smartscreen will yell at you about unsigned exes generally if you download them from the internet

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but you can safely bypass that

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there is a different warning when windows defender detects a virus, and that one is much harder to bypass

oak hemlock
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so then probably since I didn't download over the net, it's not angy

clear root
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ye, I think windows tracks the origin of executables

oak hemlock
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time to find some willing targets to propagate my notavirus.exe

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just kidding I'm too lazy for that

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I'll pretend it works flawlessly and that I know what I'm doing

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that was a fun project

golden lynx
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Discord just gave me a subgif Rejoicing_Panda

teal storm
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what da hell is a sub gif

sinful lark
rough marsh
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you're in the US?

oak hemlock
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tbh I've done like nothing to prepare for college

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I'm too clueless

thick widget
oak hemlock
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I'm a senior in high school

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so... I'd like to think so but my hopes dwindle

rough marsh
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psst your hopes are only relevant if you're actually applying

oak hemlock
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😔

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I have no hopes

ember sluice
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Has anyone ever taken a real stab at updating the Jargon File after 2003?

paper mural
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damn idk what to do, what should i do

oak hemlock
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I'm thinking of redoing my command-line script

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!pypi cmdl

obtuse swallowBOT
oak hemlock
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Redoing this, I mean

rough marsh
# oak hemlock I have no hopes

sorry was on a call
i'll add that you don't have to do college right after hs either, or ever, at all if you don't want to
have you taken SATs/ACTs?

oak hemlock
rough marsh
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your classmates haven't been applying and stuff?

oak hemlock
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pfft. my classmates don't care about college

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They all just want to be done with school

onyx ice
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And then what

neat sparrow
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bruh I'm hoping I get grants that cover above 80% of my costs

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My gpa right now is around 3.7+

oak hemlock
rough marsh
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ok - i'd advise not to just 'go with the flow' and follow what your classmates do or don't do. make sure to do the research of whether a college education would benefit you specifically

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and your goals

oak hemlock
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I guess it's hard because I really do not know what I want to do and frankly I'm demotivated when it comes to just about everything

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it's just annoying because once upon a time I did have a bunch of goals

rough marsh
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you don't have to share if you don't want to, but what happened to them? and were they short term or long term?

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let's say long term is.. 1+ years

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and whether someone realizes it or not, they are already on some sort of trajectory. so your actions or inactions now will compound and further you on that trajectory as time goes on

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that can work both for and against you

oak hemlock
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I guess I just started doing terrible in school around the time COVID hit and over time I just didn't see any interest in much of anything after that

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I was forced out of the school I was going to because of that

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idk, I can't really say for sure what my goals were a few years ago... I just know that I've already burnt myself out trying to reach them

rough marsh
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sorry to hear that Sad_BC but you're still in some sort of hs at the moment?

oak hemlock
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I am