ot0-no-stealth-portals-please

[cursive agate]

i dont get it

link me the vid rather than giving me a comment

[hearty prawn]

java is amazing

[dusty aspen]

yes

[hearty prawn]

\

anyways

here are my language tier list ig

---

Python
C++
Java
C

[mortal hull]

and those pieces of code are only equivalent if you know it's a bool

[hearty prawn]

i don't like since i suck at memory management and uh well no garbage colection :P

[teal storm]

average whatever this is fan

public class Thing {
    private int x;
    private int y;

    public int getX() {
        return this.x;
    }

    public void setX(int x) {
        this.x = x;
    }

    public int getY() {
        return this.y;
    }

    public void setY(int y) {
        this.y = y;
    }
}
```vs average C# enjoyer
```cs
public class Thing
{
    public int X { get; set; }
    public int Y { get; set; }
}

[cursive agate]

waht am i seeing? Java vs C#?

[teal storm]

yes

[cursive agate]

damn i still know java by reading it

[teal storm]

lol

[cursive agate]

fucking grade 9 times where i got a 1.0 grade in cs

and now i am sad and stupid

[viral hull]

C# really does feel a lot like a polished Java.

[thick widget]

yes the reason im planning to get into it

[hearty prawn]

hm

[teal storm]

i think C# has a similar relationship to Java as Rust does to C++
in that C# is just better than Java in a lot of ways and also in that modern Java just copies whatever modern C# did a few years prior
ofc Java and C# are more closely related than C++ and Rust but

[mortal hull]

usaco doesn't take C# tho

[teal storm]

what is usaco

[mortal hull]

😩

[teal storm]

??

[mortal hull]

usa computing olympiad

[teal storm]

oh

[viral hull]

competitive programming

[cursive agate]

why

[teal storm]

comp prog sucks anyway

why wouldn't they take C# that makes no sense lol

[mortal hull]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

because IOI doesn't

[teal storm]

where is list of languages usaco takes ?

[mortal hull]

C, Cpp, java, pascal, python

[teal storm]

bruh

[viral hull]

pascal!?

[teal storm]

how do you take pascal but not C# 🤡

[mortal hull]

old ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[viral hull]

how dare you

[cursive agate]

ew

[mortal hull]

older

[cursive agate]

🤮

[mortal hull]

oh yeah, i've started learning haskell and it's really cool

[cursive agate]

how do you take God but not me? 🥺

[hearty prawn]

i

[viral hull]

Modern C++ is a pretty good language for competitive programming, actually - out of that list of languages, C++ is the best all-round option, I think.

[hearty prawn]

i'm going to learn memory management in c because why not

[ocean walrus]

Hi :D

[mortal hull]

yeah and the subset of the lang you need for cp is quite small. don't need to deal with the prickly parts

[cursive agate]

yes. sad. i really dont have motivation lately to learn anything except microbes and viruses and their innards

[mortal hull]

i'm not sure what version they take, though

[viral hull]

That's a good call, honestly.

[hearty prawn]

hm

i do not know where to start

[cursive agate]

yeh learn C. dont stop

[fathom yew]

damn this exists in microsoft store for free!!

[cursive agate]

and become sad in frustration

[ocean walrus]

Effective C is good

[mortal hull]

apparently not pascal anymore

[viral hull]

As long as it's C++11 or higher, you'd be in good shape - and at this point, it would be hard for them to find a compiler that doesn't support C++11

[hearty prawn]

i might just read the c programmig language book in school

[fathom yew]

@cursive agate 😔

[hollow holly]

If I had to guess though,

the first one is the slowest because it needs to look up __eq__ for variable then call it

second one is faster because is doesn’t have a dunder, and just compares memory but still takes more calls than the third one

Third one is the fastest because it is just if PyObject_IsTrue(variable) (I think)

[cursive agate]

well those games are shit in general but whatever fun is for you

[viral hull]

it's a work in progress, but https://beej.us/guide/bgc/

[hearty prawn]

ooh

[fathom yew]

:lemon_hyperangry:

[cursive agate]

hmm is this yours?

[ocean walrus]

Ooh

[viral hull]

no, it is not

but the guy who wrote it also wrote a guide to network programming that is practically a bible for it

[cursive agate]

alright im adding it to my bookmark

[teal storm]

java programmers seething rn

public class Pair<T> {
    private T[2] inner;

    public Pair(T x, T y)
    {
        inner[0] = x;
        inner[1] = y;
    }

    public T X
    {
        get => inner[0];
        set => inner[0] = value;
    }

    public T Y
    {
        get => inner[1];
        set => inner[1] = value;
    }
}

[hearty prawn]

time to memory manage c

[ocean walrus]

What c standard is it for

[hearty prawn]

give

[teal storm]

uint
ulong

bruh

[ocean walrus]

Lmao

[hearty prawn]

i found it

[teal storm]

how did the highlight.js devs remember that C# has ulong but not uint

[mortal hull]

yeah but they fucked up python

[teal storm]

honestly it's mind-boggling

[hearty prawn]

https://beej.us/guide/bgnet/

[ocean walrus]

They fucked up quite a bit

[teal storm]

another thing is e.g. they remembered that ' are valid in haskell identifiers:

yeet'skeet'

but they didn't remember that haskell has character literals ????

'a'

[mortal hull]

rofl

[teal storm]

the things that higlight.js remembers and forgets is honestly confounding

[viral hull]

ANSI C, it seems. So, C89

[ocean walrus]

Ah

[mortal hull]

i used the "ANSI C programming" book

[ocean walrus]

Is it that much different from c99 or c11

[cursive agate]

latest c standard is c20 right?

[ocean walrus]

I use the c11 standard

[viral hull]

no, not very.

[ocean walrus]

Alright, so most code will work fine

[ocean walrus]

I think so, yeah

[oak hemlock]

a C standard from 32 years ago :faint:

[ocean walrus]

C29

[viral hull]

almost everything, yeah.

[cursive agate]

@IAmNotMilky#8284 + @Cypheriel#3463 = @Yum#4155

[ocean walrus]

Hm

[dusty aspen]

honestly yeah

[hearty prawn]

i have question

[dusty aspen]

it also breaks on completely valid ebnf

[hearty prawn]

iirc C is platofrm dependent right?

[ocean walrus]

I mean, they did have to highlight a shit ton of languages

[cursive agate]

now time to write your own syntax highlighter

[hearty prawn]

if i compile on mac, it only work on mac

[dusty aspen]

prismjs has been pretty nice for me

[hearty prawn]

RIGHT?

[ocean walrus]

Yes

Well

[hearty prawn]

how the fuck do i compile for windows?

[cursive agate]

if you compile it for me, it runs only on me

[hearty prawn]

or linux

[ocean walrus]

Cross compile

[hearty prawn]

how

[viral hull]

The compiled output is platform dependent, but the input code can be cross-platform

[ocean walrus]

Er

[teal storm]

how do you forget that a language has character literals??????? how do you remember that ulong exists but forget uint ????? and more importantly how the fuck has it not been fixed by some dude in nebraska making a PR like 3 years ago??????????

[ocean walrus]

Lmfao

Fair

[dusty aspen]

Just make some user on windows/linux do it, ig. Since the C code remains the same.

[mortal hull]

i'm thinking of switching tbh. BufferedReader br = new BufferedReader(new InputStreamReader(System.in)); is kinda getting on my nerves

[hearty prawn]

ah

[ocean walrus]

I mean, couldn't you cross compile it

[dusty aspen]

Wait what's that

[hearty prawn]

the has to be my dad then

[teal storm]

C code only remains the same if you write code that is platform and compiler agnostic

[hearty prawn]

since he still uses a windows

[ocean walrus]

Some code is platform specific

[dusty aspen]

Yeah that's true.

[teal storm]

which is sometimes hard to do

[oak hemlock]

Now imagine doing C/C++ development on Windows without WSL or msys2

[teal storm]

lol

[ocean walrus]

Mingw exists

[hearty prawn]

windows bad

[teal storm]

honestly the YS compiler is probably only going to support linux, i can't deal with undocumented and/or unstable syscalls

[hearty prawn]

imagine using windows

[viral hull]

https://cses.fi/book/book.pdf - and in particular, #include <bits/stdc++.h>

[oak hemlock]

that's what it was called... add that to the exceptions

[hearty prawn]

unix ftw

[teal storm]

it won't support macOS either

[mortal hull]

.bm #ot0-no-stealth-portals-please message

[oak hemlock]

without WSL, msys2, or mingw

[hearty prawn]

bUT IT DOES

[teal storm]

what?

[hearty prawn]

wait you mean wsl?

[teal storm]

huh?????

[hearty prawn]

or something like gcc?

[dusty aspen]

She's talking about yeetskeet, her own language

[hearty prawn]

oh

[teal storm]

yea

[hearty prawn]

my own language is klurk made in java

[viral hull]

#include <bits/stdc++.h> imports the entire C++ standard library - it's like if import * existed in Python, @mortal hull

[teal storm]

k l u r k

[hearty prawn]

the name is amazing

[dusty aspen]

the fact that that exists makes me want to cry

[mortal hull]

:o, i hate java.util.* 😔

[teal storm]

i don't think you can even do that in rust

i don't think there is recursive *

you could do use std::*; but i think that's about as far as you'd get

[ocean walrus]

Lmfao

[hearty prawn]

lemme get the syntax for klurk

[fathom yew]

yeah fuck it! no keyboard/mouse controls!!

[ocean walrus]

Why do hpp files exist

[hearty prawn]

hpp files confuse me

[ocean walrus]

Can't you use normal header files on cpp

[hearty prawn]

mhm

[oak hemlock]

for headers that won't work in C

[viral hull]

bits/stdc++.h is practically a gcc feature that exists just for competitive programming - it's basically never used in "the real world"

[oak hemlock]

that's almost like asking why cpp files eixst \😩

[hearty prawn]

should i make klurk opensource???

i need someone to review code

[ocean walrus]

Oh yeah

[mortal hull]

poggers

[static trout]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQ7uq04fEjs
i barely have any brain to spare

[ocean walrus]

Lmfao that just flew over my head

[teal storm]

average whatever this is fan

import java.util.Scanner;

public class HelloUser {
    public static void main(String[] args) {
        Scanner stdin = new Scanner(System.in);

        System.out.print("What is your name? ");
        String name = stdin.nextLine();
        System.out.println("Hello, " + name + "!");
    }
}
```vs average C# enjoyer
```cs
using static System.Console;

Write("What is your name? ");
var name = ReadLine();
WriteLine($"Hello, {name}!");

[oak hemlock]

isn't that syntax somewhat.. new, though?

[mortal hull]

average using C# for usaco fan

[viral hull]

the reason we have .cpp files in addition to .c is so that people know to use a C++ compiler to compile the code. The reason we have .hpp files in addition to .h is so that people know to only include the file in a C++ program.

[solid prawn]

average c# copium

[static trout]

boilerplate

[hearty prawn]

!e

#vs average python enjoyer
print(input("What is your name :"))

[dusty aspen]

that code is readable though, it's pretty clear what it does if you know anything about Java

[obtuse swallow]

@hearty prawn :x: Your eval job has completed with return code 1.

001 | What is your name :Traceback (most recent call last):
002 |   File "<string>", line 2, in <module>
003 | EOFError: EOF when reading a line

[hearty prawn]

you can give input but yeah

t

[oak hemlock]

I forget how to make a hello world in the older C# style

[viral hull]

the C# and Python versions are pretty clear even if you don't know anything about C# or Java

[hearty prawn]

anyone here know java?

[mortal hull]

no one

[hearty prawn]

review my shitty code plsty

[viral hull]

heh

[dusty aspen]

That's true. Although the C# one is a bit more confusing.

[hearty prawn]

OH RIGHT MY LANGUAGE ISN'T DONE YET

i didn't really compile anything

[hollow holly]

Making languages are fun

[hearty prawn]

i was busy making the skeleton

[hollow holly]

Avery, how’s YS going?

[teal storm]

if you're referring to the TLS, then yeah it was part of C# 9.0 which was released in february this year. even with the boilerplate though, C# is much cleaner:

// using static still exists in earlier C# versions but
// i want to make this version more "authentic"
using System;

class Program
{
    static void Main()
    {
        Console.Write("What is your name? ");
        var name = Console.ReadLine();
        Console.WriteLine($"Hello, {name}!");
    }
}

[hearty prawn]

pov : java

[dusty aspen]

ikr

[teal storm]

i haven't done much work on it in a week or two

[mortal hull]

and java doesn't even have typedef 😬 i still have time before the first comp 👀

[hearty prawn]

oh right i remember the error now

[oak hemlock]

C# naming confuses me a bit tbh

everything is pascal case and camel case :faint:

[mortal hull]

imagine HashMap<Integer, ArrayList<Integer>> 😩

[teal storm]

yea but it's fugly, way too big, and why do i have to import a scanner to get input ugh

[hollow holly]

inb4

SlashLang

tired of parentheses?

print / "Hello World" /

Parentheses begone!

[hearty prawn]

!paste

[obtuse swallow]

Pasting large amounts of code

If your code is too long to fit in a codeblock in discord, you can paste your code here:
https://paste.pythondiscord.com/

After pasting your code, save it by clicking the floppy disk icon in the top right, or by typing ctrl + S. After doing that, the URL should change. Copy the URL and post it here so others can see it.

[hearty prawn]

https://paste.pythondiscord.com/nuwarayimu.java?noredirect epik parser

more like shit parser

[stone gyro]

can't you do something like that with JS's custom template strings?

[dusty aspen]

You might want to stick a .java?noredirect on that url

[hollow holly]

Maybe, not sure as I’ve never used JS

actually I have, I’m just bad at it

[stone gyro]

understandable stance

every time I use it, I'm like "fuuuuck"

[teal storm]

this is not a parser unfortunately

[hearty prawn]

ssh

in my eyes it does what i need it to do

[solid prawn]

js uses backticks for template strings

[teal storm]

it is a lexer not a parser

[solid prawn]

slashes are for regex

[dusty aspen]

Honestly bytecode is pretty clean

[stone gyro]

There's no Node.insertAfter. The docs for insertBefore mention that, and say that if you need to insert something after a certain element, you need to do .insertBefore(thing, target.nextSibling()).

[oak hemlock]

I think Microsoft's example uses namespace, as well...

using System;

namespace Application
{
    class Program
    {
        static void Main(string[] args)
        {
            Console.WriteLine("Hello, world!");
        }
    }
}

That took a concerning amount of time to write :faint:

[teal storm]

you're thinking of JS' regex literals

[pliant canyon]

yes

[teal storm]

yes it does

[pliant canyon]

and it doesnt take much time u can just tab thru

[stone gyro]

actually I'm thinking of tagged template literals

[hearty prawn]

and everything works

print -

[hollow holly]

Whenever I use it, I decide to procrastinate on learning JS and I just do something random in Python cause I'm bored

[teal storm]

[sick olive]

Kinda; console.log`hello` logs [ 'hello' ]

[stone gyro]

but it looks like they don't support custom quotes instead of ```, I misremembered that

[stone gyro]

yup, like that

[teal storm]

i forgot those existed, nasty

[hearty prawn]

should i continue working on my kernel

[hollow holly]

I wrote this line of code in my C program today:
elif (strncmp(current_char, ")", sizeof(current_char) / sizeof(char))) {
still wayyy too used to Python lol

I forgot that it was else if not elif

[teal storm]

a lexer

[hearty prawn]

oh no the lexer does that part

[stone gyro]

sizeof(current_char) / sizeof(char)
isn't that 1, or is this handling UTF-8?

[hearty prawn]

 public static void lexerCompiler(List toLexCompile) {
        lexerInit();
        for (int i = 0; i != toLexCompile.size() ; i++) {
            correctTokens.add(Boolean.parseBoolean((String) toLexCompile.get(i)));
        }

        if(toLexCompile.toString().equals(printSyntax.toString())) {
            System.out.println("wow u did it");
            //System.out.println(getPrint(toLexCompile));
        }
        else {
            //System.out.println(printSyntax);
            System.out.println("Err");
            System.out.println(toLexCompile);
        }

[teal storm]

?

[hollow holly]

oh current_char isn't named properly lol

[hearty prawn]

only has support for print syntax rn but it's only a skeleton

[hollow holly]

it is a char array

[stone gyro]

ah, lmao

[hollow holly]

thanks for reminding me to rename it

[dusty aspen]

Honestly trying to translate C to Rust is so confusing for me, not because I don't understand what's happening, but rather that I just don't get how specific things translate

[ocean walrus]

Hm

[teal storm]

toLexCompile.toString().equals(printSyntax.toString())

[stone gyro]

wait, isn't that just the length (in elements) of current_char, then, which must be constant in C?

[hollow holly]

I honestly wouldn't try to translate C to Rust, as it is its own separate thing

For me I just do it like another language

[viral hull]

that code seems wrong - current_char is apparently a char* if you're passing it to strncmp, which means the 3rd argument always evaluates to 4 on a 32-bit platform, or 8 on a 64-bit platform

[hearty prawn]

java moment

[teal storm]

java moment

[ocean walrus]

Eh, depends

[solid prawn]

more like js moment

[ocean walrus]

C code can be translated to rust

[teal storm]

what you're calling a "parser" is really a lexer tho

[ocean walrus]

Rust is also a systems language

[teal storm]

[dusty aspen]

I mean it's not exactly rewriting the code for no reason, I'm just reading a book that uses C and want to write some of the stuff in Rust.

[hearty prawn]

it's like a lexer but i call it a parser to feel cool

[hollow holly]

hmm, how would i accurately get the length of the char pointer?

[ocean walrus]

I phrased that wrong - you can write code that does the same thing in rust that it does in C

[hollow holly]

Ohhh

[teal storm]

but it's not a parser

[hollow holly]

Tysm

[teal storm]

porting != translating

[ocean walrus]

Craftinginterpreters 👀

[stone gyro]

ah yes, Rust
libc::strncmp(current_char.as_mut_ptr(), ')', current_char.len()) 🥴

[dusty aspen]

yes of course what else

[hollow holly]

strlen is located where?

[ocean walrus]

Yeah that's my bad

[hearty prawn]

sssh

[viral hull]

string.h

[teal storm]

huh

[hearty prawn]

too hard for me idek what the fuck is going on

[hollow holly]

Not there I think, gonna search it up

[teal storm]

why are you
why are you using libc strncmp to compare characters in rust ??????

[ocean walrus]

Why not

[teal storm]

why tho

[ocean walrus]

Reptile is just built different

[teal storm]

oh i missed the context

[viral hull]

string.h

[stone gyro]

well, it's C, so clearly it's faster this way, right? 🥴

[teal storm]

lmao

[ocean walrus]

Lol

[hollow holly]

Thanks!

[hearty prawn]

oooh fuck i found my OS files

[teal storm]

in ys you simply use the = command to compare character 😎

[hearty prawn]

yes

[ocean walrus]

!= for checking if two things are equal

[hearty prawn]

i want ys

give download

[stone gyro]

match c {
    // Check C first because C is faster
    'C' => ...
    'A' => ...
    'B' => ...
    ...
}

[ocean walrus]

Lmfao

[neat sparrow]

How dafuq is C faster lol

[dusty aspen]

lmfao

[ocean walrus]

C is the new A

[neat sparrow]

OHHHHHHH THAT'S THE JOKE

[ocean walrus]

That is indeed the joike

[hearty prawn]

i've made a few lemme show

[stone gyro]

C's got so many weird numerical types.

[ocean walrus]

Types are weird to type out

[hearty prawn]

fax

[dusty aspen]

I don't understand the naming of types like uint8_t.

[hearty prawn]

i'm just going to make a new kernel in C

[ocean walrus]

_t says that it's a type

Naming convention

[hearty prawn]

my old code is fucking shit

[dusty aspen]

...that makes a lot of sense now

[ocean walrus]

The uint part is just saying that it's an unsigned int

[stone gyro]

😩
this is some oldschool-Java shit

[viral hull]

unsigned integer, 8 bits wide.

[dusty aspen]

I get the uint8 part, but the _t confuzzled me

[ocean walrus]

Like rusts u8

_t is naming convention by the stdlib for types iirc

[viral hull]

the _t is just old school C for "type"

[teal storm]

there are bugs in the complib and the compiler itself is incomplete but if you want to look at what exists so far the compiler is https://github.com/nekodjin/ys, it takes in YS as input and produces readable nasm code as output. from there, nasm -felf64 output_file to assemble it, and ld -o program_name -L path/to/complib/directory -lys output_file.o (the complib can be found at https://github.com/nekodjin/libys, it contains both the nasm source code in src/x86_64/linux, as well as an assembled and bundled libys.a file in lib/x86_64/linux which is what you want to link against)

[mortal hull]

older school

[teal storm]

oh i didn't mention, for both github repos i think you have to switch to the dev branch to get the working version

[ocean walrus]

Oldest school

[teal storm]

you won't find what you need in the master branch

[hearty prawn]

oh

[stone gyro]

I'm mostly annoyed by the simultaneous existence of (unsigned) char/int/long/long long and (u)int8_t, int16_t,...

[teal storm]

yes

[teal storm]

??

why

[hearty prawn]

what the fuck?

alright bet

[teal storm]

@hearty prawn ??

(sorry for the ghost ping 😭 )

[stone gyro]

why wouldn't I be annoyed by that? that's extra names that C only has because the sizes for the former kind, AFAIK, aren't guaranteed

[hearty prawn]

why is your language code just a rust file printing helo world

[viral hull]

what about int_least32_t and int_fast32_t?

[ocean walrus]

Speedy ints

[supple pivot]

pong

[teal storm]

yeah because C is meant to be portable, and when the standard was written (and even today in some fields), it's not guaranteed that they are byte-aligned, or even what bytes they're aligned to

[stone gyro]

these too, I guess

[hearty prawn]

hellow brother

[stone gyro]

it's not guaranteed that they are byte-aligned, or even what bytes they're aligned to
yikes, that's even worse than I thought

[teal storm]

oh i didn't mention, for both github repos i think you have to switch to the dev branch to get the working version

you won't find what you need in the master branch

[hearty prawn]

i was about to say

[stone gyro]

I wonder how Zig implements types like i3.

[teal storm]

????????????????????????????????? there are computers that don't have byte-aligned machine words, and they were quite prevalent when C was developed, so obviously C accommodated that..?

[teal storm]

as the smallest byte-aligned size it can

[stone gyro]

I'm aware that the world was a horrible place where people had to walk to the computing center and back every day, uphill both ways, when C was developed, but that doesn't stop me from complaining about it still being like this today.

[teal storm]

with an asterisk in cases where there are many of them in contiguous memory

[viral hull]

You should basically never use short or long or long long if you care about portability. The old school short and long and long long types are there for performance in cases where you don't care about portability. If you care about portability, you should be using one of the stdint types.

[teal storm]

of course it is still like this today, because A) there are some things you can reasonably break backwards compatibility for but changing the fundamental definition of integers is probably not one of them B) there are still tons of devices that don't have byte-aligned words that use C because C is the de-facto lingua franca of computers

[teal storm]

for example, if you had a 2-long array of u3, it would store it in a single byte, since it can fit both of them in a single byte

[hearty prawn]

i need a project idea or i will die in school

i have PE next oh no

[stone gyro]

Hmm, looks like Zig will actually guarantee the bit-width of integers in packed structs, which is interesting

[cursive agate]

ConfusedREptile is liking zig

nice

@mbaruh#0278 <3

[teal storm]

also example, since bool is sized as u1, a [16]bool takes 2 bytes - in other words, arrays of bool in zig are automatically bitfields

[viral hull]

it's not clear to me that that's a good thing... that's more compact, but much slower.

[teal storm]

actually not significantly slower to care about on x86[_64], since bt instruction exist

i am with you though

bitfield by default, i don't like

[viral hull]

more code in C should use int_fast32_t and int_fast64_t than does. Pretty much all code that uses a long long really ought to be using an int_fast64_t for portability's sake...

well, yes - but the point is, a long long might be 16 bits, or 32 bits, or 64 bits, or 128 bits... there's no way to know.

if you want a fast type that can hold a 64-bit integer, long long isn't guaranteed to give you that, but int_fast64_t is (or the code won't compile)

yes - assuming the only 2 options for __WORDSIZE are 32 and 64, anyway.

it'll be something different in the future if we ever have 128 bit processors.

right - and that's fine, because every platform that glibc supports today is either 32 bit or 64 bit.

if it supported a 128 bit platform, that code would probably not be correct.

but anyway, using the int_*t types means that all of the non-portable, platform-dependent stuff is stuck in the standard library, rather than in your application code.

[hearty prawn]

this is why C makes me confusex as fuck

[stone gyro]

double gsl_log1p (const double x)
{
  volatile double y, z;
  y = 1 + x;
  z = y - 1;
  return log(y) - (z-x)/y ; /* cancels errors with IEEE arithmetic */
}

high-precision functions are magic

[sick olive]

any idea what software people use to makes images liek these (this is not from the internet btw custom made)

oh hey jack!

@sullen elm you not a lantern anymore?

sad

[neat sparrow]

yeah that looks like it was taken from the internet lol

actually nvm

just use inkscape

[sick olive]

oh ok

thanks

[cursive agate]

i deleted. i just realized the thumbnail is against the rules lol

[fathom yew]

yeah lol

[eternal trail]

yeah, please be careful

[fathom yew]

https://open.spotify.com/track/1y8OYJ8MCglgltJ2NuQ9BT?si=66974cf147e44691

[eternal trail]

although I dont blame you, the thumbnail doesn't match the contents

[cursive agate]

yeah it is just clickbait for horny peopel

but tbh the content is funny hahaha

[neat sparrow]

https://tenor.com/bcRnZ.gif

my face when someone dies in one piece

[cursive agate]

my face when i cant relate

[eternal trail]

ew, imagine crying because of anime

cries in Attack of Titan

[cursive agate]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6Fl1Xl1ogg now cry more

[eternal trail]

damn

[copper nimbus]

bro I can hear the song keeping my headphones off of my ears wtf discord

my headphones are 30 cm away from me rn

[hearty prawn]

imagine

cries

[serene dagger]

yeah i much prefer when someone dies in many pieces

[cursive agate]

i

realized to move and try emacs starting today

[sick olive]

i think i’ve got ghost pinged

[royal jetty]

wouldn't be new

[sick olive]

Anyone know R is there a more elegant way than cat(somevar, '\n', sep='') to print purely a variable followed by a newline?

[wooden lintel]

I’m hungry

[cursive agate]

nope

well u can ask the R discord server. want me to give u invite link? my R is rusty. last time i used it was in highschool

sad

[sick olive]

They remove it?

[cursive agate]

i thought it was white listed

wasn't

imma modmail

[sick olive]

ehh, it's ok, I can find the server if needed

R is kinda tripping with me since it has operators like %/%

[cursive agate]

why you learning R? im curious

[fathom yew]

ML

anyways, I was here to declare that I am discontinuing Python

because it's slow

[cursive agate]

uh hmm okiee

idk how slow is slow you mean

[fathom yew]

what was "uh hmm" for?

[cursive agate]

but sure python is slow but only slow for some heavy tasks. but it is also enough for some other tasks. it is not bad.

even though im a julia fanboi

[fathom yew]

what "heavy" tasks?

[cursive agate]

when involving large chunks of data

just as an example

[faint condor]

data science

[cursive agate]

yeah

[fathom yew]

hmm machine learning?

[faint condor]

i mean you could use it for machine learning

i see alot of people using python

for ml

[cursive agate]

You have PyTorch

[fathom yew]

no no, I mean is it slow for ML?

[faint condor]

i dont think so

[cursive agate]

i mean python by itself is slow. But most ML libraries are just Python wrappers of C/C++ libraries

[faint condor]

its slow for things like game development and heavy graphics simulations

[static trout]

Failed to download: Got response 503 when trying to download a file.
(when downloading rust-analyzer server - auto by rust analyzer)
halp

[faint condor]

but godot is a huge example of python being good at game dev too

[cursive agate]

not for triple A titles but still good enough to make some games

[clear root]

well, that's not python, since embedding python is an adventure on it's own

[faint condor]

ye

[clear root]

but ye, simple games are just fine in python

[sick olive]

guess who got raided ha ha

REvil, the whole shabang was there

interpol
fbi
everyone : D

europul

[cursive agate]

hmm what

[static trout]

any idea?

[faint condor]

hmm

seems like service unaviable error

its server side

try downloading something else

[sick olive]

hey hey which one

idk which Ubuntu to pick

not a linux human but i can use Ubuntu

[still pike]

Desktop 18.04 probably

[clear root]

all of those versions are outdated

[sick olive]

oh

i'm just trying to host my bot 😔

[clear root]

ah, if this is a server, then you want 20.04 server

[sick olive]

oh sure

[cursive agate]

choose 14.04.4 for sadness

[oak hemlock]

at least it's LTS

[oak hemlock]

What is this for?

[sick olive]

why is the name given as vscode cofee?

[oak hemlock]

huh?

[solid prawn]

vscode is a coffee machine

[oak hemlock]

makes sense

[ancient mural]

MicroPython tho

[faint condor]

is there a server for C#

[viral hull]

!guilds

[obtuse swallow]

Communities

The communities page on our website contains a number of communities we have partnered with as well as a curated list of other communities relating to programming and technology.

[viral hull]

I think there's a C# one in there

[faint condor]

thanks mate

[sick olive]

a vps

[static trout]

people

[oak hemlock]

ah then just pick the latest ARM

[static trout]

i need a bit of help
vscode is acting a bit funky

/home/thelegendbeacon/.zshrc:23: command not found: pyenv
what (in vscode terminal only, NOT in WT)

in WT it works just fine

2nd problem - rust analyzer either errors out while trying to download a server, or it straight up goes forever

[cursive agate]

make sure pyenv is in PATH

[static trout]

it is

it works perfectly in windows terminal

[cursive agate]

windows terminal?

[static trout]

yes

[cursive agate]

are u on WSL?

[static trout]

yes

[cursive agate]

hm

i dunno then ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[rustic parcel]

do you have the wsl extension for vscode?

[static trout]

yes

[rustic parcel]

is it activated?

[static trout]

of course

pretty sure it is

[rustic parcel]

iirc you can check in the bottom left corner

[static trout]

most definitely is

there's no problem with pyenv in windows terminal

[rustic parcel]

can you run pyenv in the vscode terminal though?

[static trout]

no

[rustic parcel]

command not found?

[static trout]

yes

[rustic parcel]

is zsh set to your default login shell?

[static trout]

yes

also this all worked perfectly some time ago

i did not open vscode for about a month (due to exams)

[rustic parcel]

oh try typing which -a pyenv in windows terminal. is pyenv installed on the windows side?

[cursive agate]

the pyenv in windows dont work in linux.

[static trout]

pyenv () {
        local command
        command="${1:-}"
        if [ "$#" -gt 0 ]
        then
                shift
        fi
        case "$command" in
                (rehash | shell) eval "$(pyenv "sh-$command" "$@")" ;;
                (*) command pyenv "$command" "$@" ;;
        esac
}
/home/thelegendbeacon/.pyenv/bin/pyenv

dont think so

[cursive agate]

there is pyenv for win

[cursive agate]

why did you do that..

[static trout]

dont remember doing it

[cursive agate]

just follow the README in pyenv

[static trout]

thats what i did

dont remember doing that

[fathom yew]

what is the best programming language if I have no problems with difficulty?

[cursive agate]

subjective tbh

[fathom yew]

wdym

[rustic parcel]

C or assembly

[static trout]

is it a nuke?

should i nuke my wsl?

[fathom yew]

sure

[cursive agate]

no

in your zshrc

export PYENV_ROOT=$HOME/.pyenv
export PATH=$PYENV_ROOT/bin:$PATH
eval "$(pyenv init --path)"
eval "$(pyenv init -)"

remove your pyenv function

[static trout]

ok

as i said

the pyenv function isnt even in zshrc

[cursive agate]

still if so add that in zshrc.

[cursive agate]

wait

[cursive agate]

did you cat the pyenv ? so u forgot ^

lol

[static trout]

already there

[cursive agate]

hmm

[static trout]

bruh it works nicely enough in windows terminal

[cursive agate]

imma try installing pyenv. this should be easy

[static trout]

so it should be working

[oak hemlock]

I think the first 3 should be in ~/.zprofile

[cursive agate]

works on mine but sure

[static trout]

anyways onto the 2nd problem

rust-analyzer

[oak hemlock]

ik it works, but it's pointless setting the variables every single time

[static trout]

it either downloads forever or

[static trout]

it errors out with code 503

[oak hemlock]

server error \🤔

what is that, Service Unavailable? or what

[static trout]

where does it download from anyway

it did ask me to put a token in

so i did

[cursive agate]

oh yeah sure

[sick olive]

i'm in

yay

how do i update python ?

[fallen tangle]

don't

don't mess with the system python

do all your work using pyenv or something

[sick olive]

oh sure

[oak hemlock]

D: CentOS?

[sick olive]

😔

yes i think

[oak hemlock]

stinky

[sick olive]

i picked this

[oak hemlock]

er

and it's... CentOS?

[queen venture]

is Phsyics and Chemistry needed for CS?i am in science stream with cs as Optional. highschool. i want to Focus on CS . and Phsyics and Chemistry are not really my thing.

[sick olive]

how do i check ?

[still pike]

Not necessarily

[oak hemlock]

Check what?

oh. cat /etc/os-release

NAME="Ubuntu"
VERSION="20.04.3 LTS (Focal Fossa)"
ID=ubuntu
ID_LIKE=debian
PRETTY_NAME="Ubuntu 20.04.3 LTS"
VERSION_ID="20.04"
HOME_URL="https://www.ubuntu.com/"
SUPPORT_URL="https://help.ubuntu.com/"
BUG_REPORT_URL="https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/"
PRIVACY_POLICY_URL="https://www.ubuntu.com/legal/terms-and-policies/privacy-policy"
VERSION_CODENAME=focal
UBUNTU_CODENAME=focal

This is what it looks like for me

[oak hemlock]

lol

then why do you have yum \😩

[sick olive]

well

[oak hemlock]

should be fine using apt, though

[sick olive]

i was asking my friend and he said do yum etc

[queen venture]

dont really like any of my subjects except cs and Who really likes to Study. but i hate physics chemistry. maths i think is still doable. and will be able to do it. i should have gone into arts with Maths as one of my subject and Cs as Optional so i can focus on those. i dont know why i chose science

[oak hemlock]

um... yum uses .rpms...

[queen venture]

cya later just had to rant

[oak hemlock]

Fedora, SUSE, and Red Hat are what use .rpm

Debian and Ubuntu use dpkg and .deb

[static trout]

https://github.com/rust-analyzer/rust-analyzer/releases/download/2021-11-08/rust-analyzer-x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu.gz
is this error 503 for you too?

[oak hemlock]

You really probably shouldn't be using anything other than apt

[oak hemlock]

No, it downloads for me

[static trout]

wtf

[oak hemlock]

Following the redirect:

curl -i 'https://objects.githubusercontent.com/github-production-release-asset-2e65be/115039706/d43f0651-0e3d-4ce9-a120-a299b3da3c48?X-Amz-Algorithm=AWS4-HMAC-SHA256&X-Amz-Credential=AKIAIWNJYAX4CSVEH53A%2F20211111%2Fus-east-1%2Fs3%2Faws4_request&X-Amz-Date=20211111T090229Z&X-Amz-Expires=300&X-Amz-Signature=3b6782bf2a777f1e9b8366b57aa27fb1b345f301b54e007056b5422983142315&X-Amz-SignedHeaders=host&actor_id=0&key_id=0&repo_id=115039706&response-content-disposition=attachment%3B%20filename%3Drust-analyzer-x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu.gz&response-content-type=application%2Foctet-stream'

HTTP/1.1 200 OK

[static trout]

wat

when i curl
it works too

but if i enter it into a web browser

it shows Error 503 Backend.max_conn reached

[oak hemlock]

works in a browser for me

oh, I think I understand

Try restarting your computer

then try again

[tepid echo]

why is that?

[static trout]

okay lemme restart and tell

huh, its a different error now

Failed to download: request to https://api.github.com/repos/rust-analyzer/rust-analyzer/releases/tags/2021-11-08 failed, reason: getaddrinfo EAI_AGAIN api.github.com

[oak hemlock]

what the

[static trout]

i am confused

[oak hemlock]

What is this?

like... desktop? server? what OS?

[static trout]

wsl so ubuntu 20.04

[oak hemlock]

You restarted your whole computer, right

[static trout]

yes

[broken wasp]

Morning 😄

[oak hemlock]

then idk what to suggest

some random posts suggest maybe it's caused by oh-my-zsh somehow

[fathom yew]

taking my words back

[static trout]

um its an extension

[oak hemlock]

What's an exension

[static trout]

i clicked retry
and back to error 503

[static trout]

rust-analyzer

[oak hemlock]

of what?

[static trout]

im copy pasting log messages

[oak hemlock]

what's rust-analyzer an extension of

[static trout]

its a rust language server alternative

mostly because its way better than the official one

[oak hemlock]

so it's an extension of...

rust...?

What's that got to do with WSL, VSCode, and 503

[static trout]

because rust-analyzer is an extension on the marketplace

[oak hemlock]

for...

[static trout]

something like this see

[oak hemlock]

VSCode, surely...

[static trout]

it provides rust autocompletion and stuff for vscode

[oak hemlock]

okay but what does this have to do with WSL then

[static trout]

because the extension is running inside the vscode server in WSL

[oak hemlock]

so you installed VSCode in WSL...?

what am I not understanding

[static trout]

im using the WSL integration with vscode

[rustic parcel]

i think they're using vscode for windows with wsl extension

[static trout]

yes

[oak hemlock]

._.

What's this WSL extension

[rustic parcel]

to make you be able to do dev in vscode but for wsl

wsl environment

[oak hemlock]

but what is it

How do you enable it

[rustic parcel]

you install the extension and then you either enable it through command palette or the bottom left button, which they have

[oak hemlock]

what's the exension

[pliant canyon]

remote: wsl

[oak hemlock]

Remote - WSL, got it

[pliant canyon]

then u can run code . in wsl and it will run it inside wsl

[rustic parcel]

yep

it's basically wsl vscode server like the remote ssh extension

[oak hemlock]

% code .
zsh: command not found: code

._.

[pliant canyon]

restart shell

did u remove windows paths

[oak hemlock]

I did, and I fixed it

[pliant canyon]

yes

as it would

[oak hemlock]

hm, I think it just worked for me

installing rust-analyzer in the WSL remote, I mean

maybe I'm crazy

is the error in some other aspect?

[pliant canyon]

what error

[oak hemlock]

idk, ask @static trout

I'm just trying to replicate what they got

[static trout]

did it download the rust analyzer server

if you didnt see the popup create a .rs file

[oak hemlock]

Yes

[static trout]

hm

[oak hemlock]

I saw the pop up, and it showed a little status bar

[static trout]

let me change my dns

[oak hemlock]

loaded to completion

God, VSCode settings confuse the heck out of me

[sick olive]

I can relate to that

I had to google how to prevent suggestions from showing up when I'm typing comments

I remember it not being too intuitive

[oak hemlock]

I hate all of it

so many different places for all of these settings

[sick olive]

Yeah, that too

[oak hemlock]

and everything's just in JSON so I'd have to look up settings or try and cheat with suggestions

[sick olive]

And everything seems to have been named with obscure names

[oak hemlock]

oh well

[sick olive]

Yeah, I wish you luck, lol

[oak hemlock]

at least I won't be using VSCode

just gonna... give up and not care

[pliant canyon]

or u can use the ui

and search

[oak hemlock]

didn't show project specific settings

it sent me straight to the JSON

[pliant canyon]

workspace settings?

[oak hemlock]

idk

[pliant canyon]

huh why

theres a tab for workspace settings

[sick olive]

Yeah, you probably accidentally pressed a JSON-version settings in the command palette

[oak hemlock]

Yes, I went to it

it gave me this terminal thing

[pliant canyon]

yes

no

[oak hemlock]

and I went to the Rust settings

idk what to call it, it was a bar above the editor where you type what you're looking for

[pliant canyon]

command pallete

the one where u >command?

[oak hemlock]

yeah

[pliant canyon]

maybe the extension sent u to the json instead of the settings ui

[oak hemlock]

it was language settings for Rust

[sick olive]

Try pressing Ctrl+,

[oak hemlock]

I already closed VSCode lol

[pliant canyon]

yes

[oak hemlock]

idc enough

[sick olive]

Lmao

[pliant canyon]

i dont have the rust extension anymore

[oak hemlock]

but I did the GUI method of Ctrl+,

I thought the keybind was something like ctrl + shift + P

but I guess I was wrong

[sick olive]

Yeah

[pliant canyon]

well u can write >settings and it will do the same

[oak hemlock]

that's basically what I did

I was trying to change the language server for Rust

idk, I thought it'd have been easier

[pliant canyon]

hm

[static trout]

also btw a vpn worked

so i think it was a problem with my isp

[oak hemlock]

My guess is your Ubuntu DNS servers are wack

if it works on Windows, it should work on WSL unless there's a difference in settings

[static trout]

it didnt work on windows either but ok

man does rust analyzer ignore #![no_std]

[oak hemlock]

lol rip

[thick widget]

a really fun game

still older than most dreamstans

[pliant canyon]

lo l

[oak hemlock]

@royal jetty

idk if this can help with your understanding about how RegEx kind of works \😩

[royal jetty]

this kind of confuses

maybe I just take a look at some articles about it

.rp 1 Python regex

[median swallow]

Search results - Real Python

Here is the result:

Regular Expressions: Regexes in Python (Part 1)

https://realpython.com/regex-python/

Click the links to go to the articles.

[royal jetty]

.rp Python regex

[median swallow]

Search results - Real Python

Here are the top 5 results:

Regular Expressions: Regexes in Python (Part 1)

https://realpython.com/regex-python/

Regular Expressions: Regexes in Python (Part 2)

https://realpython.com/regex-python-part-2/

Namespaces and Scope in Python

https://realpython.com/python-namespaces-scope/

Defining Your Own Python Function

https://realpython.com/defining-your-own-python-function/

A Practical Introduction to Web Scraping in Python

https://realpython.com/python-web-scraping-practical-introduction/

Click the links to go to the articles.

[burnt tinsel]

My favourite channel

[royal jetty]

let me guess, it's not this?

[oak hemlock]

help, someone is idolizing my Discord profile :faint:

[burnt tinsel]

It's this

[static trout]

wat happened

why r they idolizing u

[oak hemlock]

some guy asking how to make a name like mine

and how they liked my bio

[static trout]

cypheriel?

[oak hemlock]

Cypheriel and PyCerealObject

[static trout]

lmao ok

[oak hemlock]

lol

[sick olive]

you're popular among us

people wonna be pycereal and sir hsp⚔️

[royal jetty]

@oak hemlock where did you get a pfp like that? It was non black and white a while ago

[oak hemlock]

I was testing GitHub Copilot

this is what happened lol

messing with OpenCV stuff

[royal jetty]

cool

[serene dagger]

sus

[pale mesa]

@oak hemlock nice remix

[oak hemlock]

what was I listening to

[pale mesa]

i am now idolizing your spotify

[oak hemlock]

I already forgot

[pale mesa]

https://open.spotify.com/track/5xCkjdBL9jWykDmwIQRzFE?si=b8c60f2ee2554a63

[oak hemlock]

oh

indeed

[pale mesa]

cerealtify

[hearty prawn]

hello

what's everyone working on

[oak hemlock]

stalker omg

I get it. you have a crush on me too \😩

[hearty prawn]

lmfao

[oak hemlock]

I'm too irresistible

[hearty prawn]

lmfao

@oak hemlock i finnally ot a porject idea

[oak hemlock]

oh yes

[hearty prawn]

wanna know what it is??

[oak hemlock]

sure

[hearty prawn]

a game organization thing

one launcher all games

amazing idea i know

[sick olive]

Yep. And new too. epic launcher etc

[oak hemlock]

huh

so like

whatever Razer has

[hearty prawn]

it's an aMAZING IDEA

i was initially going to make a package manager

like brew but with a TUI and stuff

but i; dp that thaglst

[pale mesa]

wait u just realized

[oak hemlock]

O_O

yes

[pale mesa]

i thought i had been hinting hard enough smh

[oak hemlock]

oops

we're dating now

[pale mesa]

hi boyfriend

[oak hemlock]

answered

hi

[pale mesa]

i will do this with u someday https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFbYJncXlm0

[oak hemlock]

oh god

you're doing this just to haunt me

[quasi cape]

wtf

[pale mesa]

what no

i am just expressing my purest love 🙁

[oak hemlock]

oops

I accept fsfs

heading to Cuba rn

[quasi cape]

miami

[oak hemlock]

oh yes. Miami, Cuba

[static trout]

any idea why this doesnt work?

[hearty prawn]

qemu has many like

things to trigger it

[static trout]

ok but didnt i just install all of em

[hearty prawn]

uh

idts

[jagged obsidian]

you should install qemu-system-x86 package

Not just qemu

[static trout]

kthx

[hearty prawn]

aliases

[oak hemlock]

non-pyenv user spotted

[static trout]

woah

[jagged obsidian]

Why do you have a fuckaudio alias

[oak hemlock]

Most of these are really weird lol

[jagged obsidian]

And a cy alias

[hearty prawn]

uh so

[oak hemlock]

excuse me

[hearty prawn]

basically sometimes my mdp likes to forget that it has speakers

[oak hemlock]

what is that alias

[hearty prawn]

mbp*

it's to restart audio drivers

[hearty prawn]

nothing...

[jagged obsidian]

huh ok

and who is cy

[hearty prawn]

@oak hemlock

[static trout]

lmao

[oak hemlock]

@pale mesa someone is bullying me

dispose of them ty

[hearty prawn]

oh no

[oak hemlock]

I've called my guard dog 😼

hm. he's totally and completely deceased

[hearty prawn]

:(

[oak hemlock]

oh well

[oak hemlock]

omg

[hearty prawn]

oh no theyhere

[oak hemlock]

oh he was just out of PP

[jagged obsidian]

pp lol

[pale mesa]

@jagged obsidian how dare u

[oak hemlock]

thank god we stocked Ethers

[jagged obsidian]

What no I did not bully him

[serene dagger]

pp

[oak hemlock]

power points.

[pale mesa]

i saw it with my own eyes

[oak hemlock]

that's what it stands for, right?

[oak hemlock]

(it was snowy)

sorry, my dog is blind

deja vu

[jagged obsidian]

atleast he doesn't bite

[jagged obsidian]

wtah server is that

[hearty prawn]

the lunar server decided to commit sudoku

[jagged obsidian]

Nice

[cursive agate]

i really dont like aliases that much unless they do the same thing. but sure

e.g. bat -> cat

[hearty prawn]

IM ACTUALLY A GOD at pearl pvp

kbpvpftw

[cursive agate]

well it is your pc so suit yourself

[hearty prawn]

ahah

i like aliases a lot

[cursive agate]

just dont do that in a production computer with many people using it

[hearty prawn]

like i have gc for git clone, sure it only savbes a few seconds but god do those add up

[cursive agate]

otherwise u die

[hearty prawn]

ahah

[jagged obsidian]

I didn't think you could alias commands with spaces

[hearty prawn]

you can

[static trout]

very ඞ indeed

[hearty prawn]

.cat

catify

[jagged obsidian]

So I wrote my own utilities in Python

#! /usr/bin/python3

import os
import sys

os.system(f'git clone {sys.argv[1]}')

That was pretty stupid tbh

[cursive agate]

ඞ wait what this is an emoji?

[hearty prawn]

lmfao

[oak hemlock]

the identifiers cannot have spaces

[jagged obsidian]

No its impostor from amog us

[jagged obsidian]

yes ik that

[oak hemlock]

but there is a solution

[jagged obsidian]

What

[oak hemlock]

you can write a function

[lofty cypress]

But why

[jagged obsidian]

Because I didn't know I could alias commands with spaces

[cursive agate]

i mean sure but i dont play among us anymore

[oak hemlock]

function foo() {
    if [[ "$1" == 'bar' ]]; then
        echo 'Hello, world!'
    fi
}

I think this should work, not sure

[jagged obsidian]

Oooor, I could write another utility in Python for that

[cursive agate]

it does

[jagged obsidian]

Okay I'm just kidding

[oak hemlock]

LAPTOP-HLJCHUAA% function foo() {
    if [[ "$1" == 'bar' ]]; then
        echo 'Hello, world!'
    fi

}
LAPTOP-HLJCHUAA% foo bar
Hello, world!

[jagged obsidian]

LAPTOP-HLJCHUAA

[oak hemlock]

lol

[jagged obsidian]

nice name!!

[oak hemlock]

Windows identifiers 😔

[cursive agate]

tell me why your hostname is like that

[oak hemlock]

CBA changing it, I hardly use WSL

[jagged obsidian]

am switching to linux mint

[oak hemlock]

Windows names computers like this

[oak hemlock]

poor you :c

[jagged obsidian]

oh god why

do ou have another reason to hate on anotehr distro!???

[oak hemlock]

Mint likes to break packages

[cursive agate]

oh i see. i just name mine like this

[oak hemlock]

especially during dups

[jagged obsidian]

Oh come on

[oak hemlock]

lol

it mixes Ubuntu and Debian packages

Tell me how you think that is a sane idea

[jagged obsidian]

Uh idk

It isn't

[oak hemlock]

and the only thing it does any differently is use Cinnamon as the DE

which nobody uses outside of Mint

[cursive agate]

i wonder what island you are in @jagged obsidian if that is fine for you to tell us or dm

[serene dagger]

no but your visit in ot wouldn't feel complete without petty hate of some distro

[oak hemlock]

If you like the way Mint looks, I might suggest Ubuntu MATE

https://ubuntu-mate.org/

I think you'd like it

[jagged obsidian]

Island?

[cursive agate]

well youre filipino so

living in an archipelago

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[jagged obsidian]

yes i do but i forgot

[cursive agate]

sad

[jagged obsidian]

Nvm i live in luzon

[oak hemlock]

oh yes

"I forgot where I live"

[hearty prawn]

making my own package manager be like

[jagged obsidian]

is it in rust

[cursive agate]

hmmm nah im from Mindanao but sure.

[oak hemlock]

I hope this is CLI, not TUI

[hearty prawn]

it's in C

[hearty prawn]

yeah CLI

[jagged obsidian]

Good

[cursive agate]

how about add the option Look at me crush

[hearty prawn]

lmfao

[oak hemlock]

When I think of C

I flinch at the thought of memory leaks

[hearty prawn]

i know

that's why i'm trying to not to use variables

[oak hemlock]

\🤔

[hearty prawn]

because i know i'm going to fuck up

[oak hemlock]

that's not going to turn out well

[jagged obsidian]

That is called coding-in-a-programming-language-without-garbage-collectors

[serene dagger]

10yo me but nobody ever thought there was anything wrong with that i just got bullied lol

[oak hemlock]

when we go into elementary school, we're required to know where we live

[jagged obsidian]

all you have to do is free malloced stuff

[oak hemlock]

something like that, I think

[hearty prawn]

are there no strings in c?

[oak hemlock]

we need to know like where we live, parent phone numbers, etc

[jagged obsidian]

char arrays

[serene dagger]

or you can have some funny condition and nobody fucking figures it out lmao

[oak hemlock]

Doesn't C have a string type somewhere

[jagged obsidian]

Nah

[oak hemlock]

I think if you do

#include <string.h>

or something

[cursive agate]

it is not really string but sure

[hearty prawn]

i got them

[jagged obsidian]

string.h operates on char arrays

[cursive agate]

^

[oak hemlock]

but doesn't it also have String type?

[jagged obsidian]

no, it only has char-array-helper-functions

[oak hemlock]

er

[jagged obsidian]

like strcmp and other stuff

but i'm not really sure about that

[oak hemlock]

perhaps I'm thinking of C++

[jagged obsidian]

C++ has std::string ye

[stone gyro]

whenever you're thinking of a nice thing, that's probably C++ 🙂

[oak hemlock]

lol

[serene dagger]

i was thinking about you 🥺

[jagged obsidian]

btw @oak hemlock why do you hate every distro but ubuntu

[cursive agate]

well it is World Single's Day

[jagged obsidian]

What the fuck there's a day for that

[hearty prawn]

someone help me

[cursive agate]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[oak hemlock]

I don't hate anything other than Ubuntu, I just despise distributions that have no reason to exist other than to complicate things

[jagged obsidian]

No I think that's just my birthday

[cursive agate]

||Manjaro||

[oak hemlock]

idk, some distributions strike me as only existing to make money and try to capture the newbie market

[oak hemlock]

Does this say Manjaro behind it \😩

[hearty prawn]

void doTask(int taskNum) {
    if(taskNum == 1) {
        printf("Search");
    }
    else if(taskNum == 2) {
        printf("Look at installed packages");
    }
    else if(taskNum == 3) {
        printf("Uninstall all packages");
    }
    else if(taskNum == 4) {
        printf("Uninstall a certain package");
    }
    else {
        printf("tf");
    }
}

[oak hemlock]

nah Manjaro too long