ot0-no-stealth-portals-please

[oak hemlock]

Kotlin my beloved

[wild herald]

so i shoudl learn c# for game dev?

dang i cannot not type rn

[oak hemlock]

C# and C++ are where it's at

[wild herald]

k

[oak hemlock]

I started learning C# for Unity recently

[sinful lark]

also game engines

[static trout]

unity, unreal, godot, etc etc ur choice

[sinful lark]

godot is beginner friendly

[wild herald]

me and my freinds are thinking of doing a game dev team

[sinful lark]

thats nice

[wild herald]

thx

[sinful lark]

i wish i had friends

[oak hemlock]

lol

[wild herald]

ur part of this discord community

[oak hemlock]

I have friends but none of which are tech literate

[sinful lark]

true

[proper anvil]

yeah i wish any of my friends would code or something

[sinful lark]

ohh noo :*(

[wild herald]

i only have one tech litterate friend

[static trout]

most of my friends play mc and that's just fine with me

[oak hemlock]

pft my friends don't play games either

[wild herald]

my friends only play games

[serene dagger]

most of my friends got a boring desk job and talk to me once every 2 weeks or so

[wild herald]

thats a big oof

before i jump into game dev, i should learn OOP good right?

[static trout]

yes

[wild herald]

k thats what i thought

[oak hemlock]

well

It's not necessary

not really

idk about Unreal or Godot, but Unity uses ECS

[wild herald]

well c# is all class and object oriendted anyway

[oak hemlock]

which doesn't rely on OOP

so knowing OOP wouldn't really be too beneficial

[wild herald]

what about making games in pygame?

[oak hemlock]

no clue

[wild herald]

ok

[oak hemlock]

whatever you make in pygame will likely never extend beyond a hobby

Nobody makes professional games in pygame

[wild herald]

yea

[static trout]

technically it's possible kek

[wild herald]

im doing this whole game thing as a hobby

[oak hemlock]

Spare me \😩

[serene dagger]

patreon furry

[oak hemlock]

huh?

[wild herald]

game dev as a job sound awuful

[oak hemlock]

idk, sounds fun

[serene dagger]

i have said too much

[static trout]

https://tenor.com/view/confused-meme-girl-uhmmm-what-now-gif-16804319

[wild herald]

yea but since theres so many ppl wanting to be gaem devs, employers can pay them less

[serene dagger]

oh nvm that was renpy carry on

[cursive agate]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[sick olive]

@sick olive

https://interestingengineering.com/9-objects-invented-to-defy-physics,
https://www.businessinsider.com/muon-experiment-physics-hidden-force-universe-2021-4?r=US&IR=T,
https://www.cracked.com/article_19668_6-scientific-discoveries-that-laugh-in-face-physics.html

[sick olive]

thanks

[normal rose]

goive idea for project

[sick olive]

however the unknown probably does abide by the laws of physics we just dont know those laws yet

[mortal hull]

nothing defies the laws of physics. that's why they are laws

[austere aspen]

@sick olive The laws of physics are created to model and predict the universe: both on the macro and microscopic scales. They do not cause the universe to be the way it is, but rather is an interpretation of how the universe is. By saying most stuff "breaks the laws of physics", you're stating that the universe and everything in it breaks itself. Which isn't true at all.

[sick olive]

How come? We don't know if the laws of physics are 100% true

Science is literally built up by "try this, if it works, its true, until someone disproves it"

[austere aspen]

That's why they model and predict, not definitively state fact.

[proper anvil]

we don't really have "laws of physics" like that's not a thing scientists talk about as far as i know. we have for example, the standard model and other theories

[mortal hull]

tf you mean there aren't laws of physics

[sick olive]

I never said there arent, i'm saying that they might not be true

[proper anvil]

i'm not saying there aren't just that i don't think physicists in academia talk in terms of laws of physics

[sick olive]

and most stuff in the universe wont apply to the laws of physics we have today

[mortal hull]

of course they "might not" be true. it's just that the evidence is overwhelmingly supporting of them

[sick olive]

overwhelmingly support then? We haven't even explored 1% of space?

[mortal hull]

yes, and everything we've found supports them

[teal storm]

sure they do, depending on what it is they're talking about

[mortal hull]

that's overwhelming support

[teal storm]

there's laws and theorems and theories and

and they all basically mean the same thing???

[sick olive]

we don't know whats out there, every year we find something new. I can't even imagine how many things out there that might even make the "laws of physics" to all be false

[mortal hull]

eh, law and theory are different

[teal storm]

are they

[mortal hull]

yeah

[teal storm]

doesn't elaborate (sigma)

[mortal hull]

grindset

[sick olive]

i thought the laws were theories

Everything is a theory basically

[mortal hull]

not in the scientific sense

[mortal hull]

the general idea is that laws are observations and theories explain the law

[teal storm]

oho k

where the f did u come from

[sick olive]

Ikr?

[teal storm]

mas pq

[sick olive]

And who are you talking to

[teal storm]

i mean i empathise with what you said but like bro there was a conversation you just came into the middle of lol

[sick olive]

Which is?

[mortal hull]

can we uh, move the depression talk to another ot

[teal storm]

ye

byebye

[sick olive]

<@&831776746206265384>

[teal storm]

tudle

[mortal hull]

not in the scientific sense

[teal storm]

was that really necessary,

[austere aspen]

Pinging the moderators was not necessary

[teal storm]

(no)

[sick olive]

Yes

[mortal hull]

we shall see

[sick olive]

Why not

[teal storm]

emphatically no

[mortal hull]

strongly no

[austere aspen]

Nothing drastic nor dire was happening.

[sick olive]

Done it here and there, no complains what's the difference?

[teal storm]

because some dude interrupting a conversation in offtopic for like 60 secodns is not worthy of pinging every single fucking moderator on the server ??? i think that is patently clear

[mortal hull]

we're complaining

[sick olive]

Damn chill

[fluid hazel]

hello

what's up?

[sick olive]

Don't find this only interruptive but rude too

[austere aspen]

the ceiling

[mortal hull]

🌠

[sick olive]

ayo

[teal storm]

someone interrupted to the conversation and someone else felt it was ping-all-the-mods worth (it wasn't)

[mortal hull]

get this guy outta here

it is now worth

[sick olive]

then wdym with this+

[austere aspen]

oook then, now it's worth

[teal storm]

red flag

[sick olive]

No, since idk who ur talking to but still sounds rude no?

whats a computer wizard anyway. what am i missing

[mortal hull]

someone good with computers

[proper anvil]

idk about computer wizards i'm a computer sorcerer though

[austere aspen]

computer witch

[proper anvil]

which?

[austere aspen]

no, witch

[sick olive]

🤷 sorry for the ping mods

[proper anvil]

which what

[austere aspen]

no, the female version of a warlock

a witch

God, why is that pun funny?

[proper anvil]

wow you used gendered magical professional titles? that's so 2010 who are you JK Rowling?

[teal storm]

what

bro what is this we was just having a normal conversation and now everything turned to shit

[proper anvil]

women should have the freedom to be wizards and men the freedom to be witches tldr fuck jk rowling

[sick olive]

anyway my original theory came from the fact that space is not a constant and if you are travelling at the speed of light you would theoretically have no mass

[austere aspen]

I'm not really a fan of Harry Potter so that wooshed ngl

[sick olive]

lmao

[static trout]

wat
arent they the same just wizard and witch be different genders

[sick olive]

but... does light not have mass tho? 🤔

[austere aspen]

it does not

[sick olive]

You sure?

[teal storm]

light does not have mass

[austere aspen]

it does have energy, but not mass

[static trout]

nope
you can think of it as a form of energy

[teal storm]

in fact light cannot have mass

[sick olive]

photons are massless

[sick olive]

I heard a theory that says light actually does have mass

[static trout]

because they are literally waves

[sick olive]

no

[teal storm]

because, you cannot have mass and go at the speed of light
and light moves at the speed of light
the rest is left as an exercise to the reader

[static trout]

lmao

[teal storm]

except when they aren't, it's a whole thing

[proper anvil]

the rest is left as an exercise to the reader
omg do you write textbooks

[austere aspen]

Well, photons don't interact with the higgs field, which (through interaction) "grants" mass to a particle

[sick olive]

cant remember but there is an equation linking velocity, space and time which explains my theory

[teal storm]

yeah that's the formal explanation or whatever

[sick olive]

Answer me question rq

[austere aspen]

Hey, being formal is nice!

[sick olive]

Does light have energy?

[austere aspen]

It does, yes

[sick olive]

which shows things shrink the faster they go

Okay, and light has no mass right?

[mortal hull]

😔

[mortal hull]

are you in college for physics or math? or have a degree?

[sick olive]

E2 = p2c2 + m2c4

[teal storm]

if i understand correctly it's not so much that moving at the speed of light makes you massless as it is that you need to be massless in order to move at the speed of light (otherwise getting to the speed of light would take an infinite amount of energy or something like that)

[austere aspen]

Mmmyes, this is the full form.
Notice the p term? That's momentum,
Light has momentum.

[sick olive]

kinetic energy is mass*velocity squared so how can light have kinetic energy without mass?

[sick olive]

Light also apparently has energy 🙂

[sick olive]

it doesnt because light has no mass

Which means?

and momentum = m*v

[teal storm]

it does tho 😭

[sick olive]

Light has to have mass, for it to have energy and momentum I think

[mortal hull]

no, that's the simplified equation that you use when you talk about things that are moving relatively slow. when you start talking about things that are very fast, that equation isn't suitable

[sick olive]

oh i didnt know this

[teal storm]

the reason y'all is struggling is because you're coming to the table with the assumption that it makes sense and it just don't, it just don't make sense
physics just doesn't make sense

[mortal hull]

^

it's unintuitive. that's why you fail to comprehend it

[sick olive]

i am trying to explain it logically which ig just doesnt work

[mortal hull]

if you don't have the mathematical background and schooling for it, it's very hard to understand

[teal storm]

and that's not even getting into like actual quantum things those are even worse 😭

[sick olive]

Agreed🤷 I've been telling yall from the beginning that we don't even know if time is time or reality is reality 🤷

[austere aspen]

source: https://www.wtamu.edu/~cbaird/sq/2014/04/01/light-has-no-mass-so-it-also-has-no-energy-according-to-einstein-but-how-can-sunlight-warm-the-earth-without-energy/

[sick olive]

its like explaining instructions to a cpu in python without an interpreter

[austere aspen]

which I admit, sounds very fucking jank, but that's how physics is.

[proper anvil]

that's i think missing the point a bit

[mortal hull]

[teal storm]

like, did you know you can have the cause happen before the effect with weird quantum mechanics experiments ????? but somehow it doesn't break causality because magic?? unless it does break causality because who the fuck actually knows?????

[sick olive]

Explain black matter 🙂

[mortal hull]

dark matter?

[sick olive]

or dark matter

[austere aspen]

Black matter is not a thing.

[sick olive]

idk what its called

[austere aspen]

You mean dark matter?

[proper anvil]

um charcoal
QED

[mortal hull]

dark matter is just non-baryonic stuff that we can't observe directly because it doesn't interact with baryonic matter

[teal storm]

broh nobody even knows how to begin answering what dark matter is why should some rando on discord be able to ,,

[sick olive]

Also one more thing

[austere aspen]

It's some weird hypothesised thing that only interacts gravitationally with matter and nothing else.

[sick olive]

That proves you wrong...

isnt dark matter beyond horizon of observable universe or is that something else

[static trout]

ive always handled light as a wave since well, it's part of the electromagnetic spectrum

[teal storm]

what

[sick olive]

Alright listen listen

[austere aspen]

no, there's plenty (hypothesised) in the gravity wells of galaxies for example

[static trout]

as in wavelength*frequency = c

[serene dagger]

dark matter dont exist its just a prank gone too far 😔

[sick olive]

So... Black holes :)))))))) Only objects that have mass is attracted to black holes 🙂 How come light is attracted to black holes? :)))))

[teal storm]

it IS the electromagnetic spectrum, and it's only a wave when it isn't a particle (or, it's only a particle when it isn't a wave) also sometimes it is energy

[static trout]

isnt it apparently everywhere

[sick olive]

okok

[static trout]

i guess so
im talking about actual problems, that come in exam tho

i just use wave formulas

[proper anvil]

because not only objects that have mass are attracted to black holes

[sick olive]

It is tho

[austere aspen]

Weird enough, gravity pulls objects with mass or energy. You could try to visualize it as a bowl rather than some unseen newtonian force. If a photon dropped into the bowl at the right distance, it'd orbit at c. That's it.

[mortal hull]

because light takes the shortest path through spacetime (called a geodesic). mass "compresses" spacetime such that sometimes the shortest path is into the blackhole

[teal storm]

mm yes nobel prize 4 u,
the tl;dr is that gravity is actually fake and a hoax and it doesn't exist it is actually a byproduct of time dilation which is some weird 4 dimensional version of the no slip condition which isn't entirely real either but just ignore that aha and light is affected by time because uhh go fast?? zoom zoom?? idfk man

[static trout]

mass energy is a duality, they are interchangeable if you try hard enough
e = mc^2

[teal storm]

well

[sonic glacier]

wish i could be a physicist so when i get the math wrong i can just be like "buhh actually it's right because there's uhh, invisible matter everywhere"

[sick olive]

you have lost me

[teal storm]

E = (pc)^2 + (mc^2)^2

[mortal hull]

😩

[austere aspen]

The bullshit card to end all bullshit cards

[teal storm]

TRUEEEE

[mortal hull]

there is evidence for dark matter though 😔

[sick olive]

https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/194468/how-does-a-black-hole-attract-light look at the first answer

[proper anvil]

just be a mathematician then everything is made up and you can never be wrong

[static trout]

please ignore the momentum 🙏

[austere aspen]

axioms are based

[teal storm]

true

[sick olive]

You might be thinking, "But photons don't have mass." In fact, your original question says that. Perhaps you've heard of gravitational lensing in which a very massive object can bend the light from an object beyond it. Yes, gravity can bend light. While photons have no rest mass, they do acquire relativistic mass at the speed of light and therefore, respond to gravity.

[teal storm]

be mathematician
get the math wrong
uhhh actually the math is right invents a new field of math to explain why, future math undergrads suffer at your hands

[proper anvil]

wikipedia:

Relativistic mass and rest mass are both traditional concepts in physics, but the relativistic mass corresponds to the total energy

[mortal hull]

relativistic mass is quite a misnomer. it's just energy @sick olive

[sick olive]

wait so light just "gains mass" with speed

[teal storm]

this?? directly contradicts your claim???

... while photons have no rest mass, ...

[sick olive]

So energy has mass, here we are again

[austere aspen]

don't even need to invent a new field; just say the math is right with an axiom and nobody can tell you otherwise

[sick olive]

boi

[proper anvil]

no

[sick olive]

Never said photons have mass

[teal storm]

yes, because mas is actually just energy but different but the same (it doesn't make sense)

[mortal hull]

the general idea is that if you don't have physics training, you shouldn't debate physics things. actually that applies to everything. don't debate about things you don't know about

[sick olive]

exactly 🤷

[proper anvil]

vibes=mc^2

[teal storm]

truth

[austere aspen]

you need a B.S. or higher to enter this chatroom

[rough marsh]

hi

[mortal hull]

yeah, tbh we should do that

[sick olive]

bullshit or higher?

[austere aspen]

lmao

[mortal hull]

no physics unless you have a degree

[austere aspen]

prove you have a degree

[sick olive]

idk how to tell you because my english is not good but like, light do have mass, but at the same time it doesn't just wont make sense..

[proper anvil]

listen i took modern physics twice ||because i got a D the first time||

[mortal hull]

have you taken any physics course? ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[mortal hull]

send photo id xd

[sick olive]

No do I to discuss this topic?

[static trout]

relativistic mass == mass that you consider while doing calculations due to effect of relativity, doesnt mean it has that mass
kinda like pseudo forces, but due to relativity

[teal storm]

i wish they didn't removed the tex command

[mortal hull]

eww, dark mode latex 😩

[static trout]

they had it before?

[teal storm]

yes

[static trout]

wow i want it here

[mortal hull]

removed bc too expensive for server

[proper anvil]

yeah wut

[static trout]

what about texit

[proper anvil]

o i guess that makes sense

[mortal hull]

i think that's what was used

[sick olive]

change channel name to physic channel

[sick olive]

so gravity can bend light (needs mass), and light can't escape blackholes (needs mass). So its a relativistic mass you say?

[teal storm]

sir lancebot used to have a latex command but they removed it because "took too much resources" aka they didn't want to spend energy getting it to work or something

[mortal hull]

of course not. it just undermines a bit of your credibility

[mortal hull]

it's the same reason why there's no matplotlib, generating the images takes a ton of ram

[sick olive]

lol.

[teal storm]

the tex bot seems to be ok ._.

[mortal hull]

they were hosting it on their linode with all the other stuff ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[sick olive]

do you know what is becoming incredibly sad

[proper anvil]

i think your (needs mass) parentheticals are incorrect assumptions

[serene dagger]

it beats the average arch hot takes ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[sick olive]

the more thats understood about physics the less my belief in god becomes and i really want to be faithful

Because light has mass 🙂

[mortal hull]

it uh, doesn't though

[proper anvil]

now they've seen it three times

[glad grove]

If light had mass it, uh… would not physically be able to travel at the speed of light

[sick olive]

It has energy, which is mass, it has momentum which also needs mass 🤷 it attracts to black holes, which needs mass, gravity bends light, which needs mass 🤷

[still pike]

We're going around in circles, perhaps not proceeding further would prevent another lap

[teal storm]

think of it like this, would you waste any time or energy trying to argue with someone that doesn't know the first thing about computer science or turing completeness and undecidability about whether or not computers can solve all problems or not? no, of course not, so why should you, someone who has a comparative level of knowledge about the physics of light, be given any more credence?

[static trout]

bro
as i told you, it doesnt have mass
but due to effects of relativity, you need to take mass into calculations
now this mass is kinda like pseudo forces

it even literally has a formula

[mortal hull]

perhaps we should make something clear. photons don't have rest mass. they can be affected by black holes because they have energy

[sick olive]

and what is energy

[static trout]

m0 = m/(1 - c^2/v^2)

[mortal hull]

we know this is true because light can be redshifted and blueshifted, because it does work and loses energy when escaping and falling into gravitational fields

[sick olive]

the mass of a particle with velocity "v"

[static trout]

m is 0 here
(1 - c^2/v^2) = (1-c^2/c^2) = (1-1) = 0

0/0 is literally infinity

[teal storm]

no, 0/0 is undefined

[sick olive]

work done

[static trout]

lemme search it up

[sick olive]

!e ```py
print(0/0)

[obtuse swallow]

@sick olive :x: Your eval job has completed with return code 1.

001 | Traceback (most recent call last):
002 |   File "<string>", line 1, in <module>
003 | ZeroDivisionError: division by zero

[mortal hull]

0/0 is undefined

[teal storm]

0/0 is only infinity in javascript (or if you do a bad limit)

[sick olive]

xD

0/0 = infinity

[static trout]

hmmm

[sick olive]

she/her why u sound so mad?

[teal storm]

what

[sick olive]

^

ok does zero have a value?

no

[proper anvil]

name: she/her
pronouns: avery

[oak hemlock]

it was broken anyways

[teal storm]

what does my pronouns have to do with ?? it ???

[teal storm]

true

[sick olive]

and i'm a jet

[sick olive]

isnt its value zero?

[serene dagger]

this is one of those huh

[teal storm]

ah yes, one of the two trans jokes that cis people know

[sick olive]

what's cis?

[teal storm]

not trans

[sick olive]

wdym

[oak hemlock]

You identify as the gender you were assigned at birth

[sick olive]

ohh

[teal storm]

cis and trans are defined in exclusion of one another
cis = not trans and trans = not cis

[sick olive]

well i'm still a ✈️

[sonic glacier]

@sick olive don't make fun of peoples' pronouns

[sick olive]

damn aight

[oak hemlock]

tbf nonbinary aren't trans and also not cisgender

[sick olive]

my bad

[oak hemlock]

or can nonbinary be cisgender \🤔

[serene dagger]

wat

[oak hemlock]

I never looked into these terms

I don't think so

[static trout]

dried fruit, yes

[teal storm]

nonbinary people are, trans by definition, though this doesn't mean that they need to identify as trans,, assuming that they weren't raised without being assigned a gender, which makes things a lot more complicated terminology-wise, but even then it's usually most sensible to categorize them as trans

[static trout]

raisins are dried grapes which are fruits

[oak hemlock]

it wouldn't be a fruit itself, would it?

[still pike]

It's a fruit product

[teal storm]

thene do not asser t things about them ._.

[serene dagger]

well yer asserting things about this despite it being a personal thing so ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[teal storm]

what

[sick olive]

but for real though.... if there is a pronoun called planes or jets, i'm that

[oak hemlock]

hi Molly Fuck

[teal storm]

yeah bro u said it 3 times already nobody is laughing

[oak hemlock]

hi Milky Fuck

lol

[serene dagger]

you're assuming what is the "most sensible" way to categorize people that purposely sometimes dont want to get categorized like that at all

[sick olive]

i aint trynna be funny, but does it exist or not?

could you make little atmosphere by making a dome with some humans in it and plants

[teal storm]

most sensible as in, most useful for the purposes of fighting oppression

[sick olive]

How? I'm just asking if that pronouns exists?

[teal storm]

schroedinger's douchebag

[sick olive]

whats that

[oak hemlock]

.-.

[serene dagger]

its an assumption still, they can pick whatever letter they want

[sick olive]

snoflake

https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/46807/what-is-the-gender-of-an-aircraft oh there is

arent objects labelled as she

what?

[sick olive]

apparently its true..

[midnight forge]

<@&831776746206265384> yeet 'em

[west lantern]

Ok, this is not an appropriate conversation to be having here

[sinful lark]

Ugh

[midnight forge]

oh, mods are already here before i pinged lmao

[sick olive]

WAIT NO THATS NOT WHAT I MEANT

I just googled if it existed?

Didnt mean to be rude

[dusty aspen]

Why don't we just change the topic here, this is getting offensive

.topic

[median swallow]

**What is the oldest computer you've ever used?**

Suggest more topics here!

[sick olive]

Right 🙂

[sonic glacier]

@sick olive@sick olive You both need to respect other peoples' pronouns and gender identities in order to stay in this community.

[sick olive]

huhif you have a train for example

[sick olive]

I-- just searched if something existed, mb

[still pike]

Windows XP, 2011-ish that had one of those fat monitors

[dusty aspen]

A decently old Lenovo laptop of my dad's

[static trout]

you have to elaborate, people will jump to the worst conclusion possible ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[sinful lark]

some old IBM pc my dad had around 2004-5

[midnight forge]

?

[austere aspen]

Some Windows 95 mess-fest.

[static trout]

he's talking about like why ships are called she

[still pike]

I was in 2nd/3rd grade at the time

[serene dagger]

80s machine running DOS for some reason

[sinful lark]

oh thats ancient

[midnight forge]

what.

[sick olive]

I got a warn so u guys might not want to continue this 🙂

[sick olive]

here is the official explanation of what i meant. "The pronoun "she" is sometimes used to refer to things which can contain people such as countries, ships, or vehicles, or when referring to certain other machines. This, however, is considered a stylistically marked, optional figure of speech."

[serene dagger]

yeah i got to fuck around with those in the 90s and funny enough in like 2018

[static trout]

ships are referred to as female mostly (in most books and literature ive read)
"she had 3 masts, and was gigantic"
"she was a beautiful steamship"
idk u can find examples online

[sick olive]

yeah bro like y u tryna fuck me over man

[sinful lark]

interesting. i wanna play around with one of those types of old machines, but idk where to find em /shrug

[sick olive]

what are those machines?

[sinful lark]

pcs prior to 2000s

[sick olive]

Ahhh

[midnight forge]

sure, i understand the style. you could've definitely phrased that better, though

[serene dagger]

oldest i got is a win98 compaq funny decoration lol

idk if it even turns on anymore go figure

[sick olive]

@sick olive u also got a warn?

[sick olive]

no

[midnight forge]

sorry if i misunderstood, that's my bad

[austere aspen]

speaking of old computers; I'd like to take an old case and make a sleeper build

[sick olive]

its ite

[austere aspen]

that's beyond a waste of my time

[midnight forge]

lmao, agreed

[austere aspen]

I'll put it on the "maybe" list though

[teal storm]

i don't like sleeper builds. to be clear i don't like over the top rgb shit iether, i just don't want a fugly case. i want something sleek and inconspicuous i can have on the side of my desk and not think about too much or look at

[static trout]

just use a laptop

[midnight forge]

3 years later, squid finishes making a computer with vacuum tubes and shows the world the power of nostalgia

[still pike]

Paint the case vantablack

[teal storm]

vatnablack is cringe

[serene dagger]

yeah thats my case from 2011 still works its just a box with vent holes

[midnight forge]

yep, a fking black hole sure is sleek and inconspicuous

[austere aspen]

Oh yeah, I feel you on that. I'd prefer a sleek case as well. I just like the idea of someone's old looking PC doing laps around someone else's lol.

[teal storm]

fuck vantblack , al my homies hate vantablack
black 2.0 for the for the win

[teal storm]

no cuz if it's fugly then i will be looking about it and thinking about how fugly it is

[static trout]

black 3.1 superspeed™️™️

[teal storm]

cuz "black 2" sounds weird and cringe

[austere aspen]

bootleg semantic versioning
black 2.0 changelog:
+ added more black

[mortal hull]

avery 2

[midnight forge]

yeah, in software development i'm pretty sure the convention for versions is major.minor.patch, so maybe that got popularized from games and such

[serene dagger]

who tf looks at their computer case more than 2 seconds? like even my bf got anime waifu gif on his cooler and just ignores it

[still pike]

black 21.10b

[austere aspen]

rc-1

[teal storm]

if it looks fugly i will not be able to ignore it
all i want is something looks inconspicuous
a clunky dusty rotund boi in yellowing off-white plastic is not that

also how do u have a gif on the cooler

what kind of black magic

[serene dagger]

anime was a mistake

[teal storm]

no anime is cool

[midnight forge]

then just get a monochromatic one, the simpler it is, the less ugly or beautiful it is

[austere aspen]

Some AIOs can play a gif iirc

[teal storm]

i just want to know how he put a gif on the cooler

[midnight forge]

it'll just be a piece of piece

[serene dagger]

yeah its an AIO cooler

[austere aspen]

like the NZXT ones

[teal storm]

ik my ideal is just a slick matte black metal case

[midnight forge]

yeah that sounds fine

[still pike]

https://0ver.org/ is still better

[mortal hull]

yes, anything slick and matte black is amazing

wallets, pens, sunglasses, etc

[serene dagger]

yeah my case is just black box on the corner next to my foot aesthetics are overrated

[austere aspen]

don't put your case on the flooor!!!!1!!!1!

is bad >>>>>:(

[serene dagger]

its on top of a mini table thingy deal

[austere aspen]

ah, ok

[teal storm]

that makes no sense ??

[serene dagger]

its just like almost floor level

[static trout]

ZeroVer is software's most popular versioning scheme for good reason.
inst it semantic versioning?

[midnight forge]

why would the major not exceed 0

[teal storm]

that's just "hey take a normal version but put 0. in front"

[midnight forge]

i don't understand

[austere aspen]

because nothing will ever be a perfect final product
though I still find it weird, semver for the win

[teal storm]

i suspect that they just took all the projects that are still in 0., for example any semver projects that are currently in rapid development, and claimed them as using 0ver

[mortal hull]

^

[teal storm]

yeah but like that's what patch versions are for ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

[serene dagger]

but eh floor case is fine my old 2011 computer is getting fukin abused and lives on the floor and it still works just fine so 🤷‍♀️

[static trout]

bruh

isnt that kind of misleading

[teal storm]

yes

the whole thing is nonsense

[still pike]

Pretty sure the entire thing is satirical

[austere aspen]

welp, call my lawyer
tell him to bring me my money-

[teal storm]

ok time to play minecraft

:>

[static trout]

ok this is definitely a joke

[midnight forge]

semver has no "perfect final product" either

[midnight forge]

yeah, i kinda feel like this is an april fools thing

[austere aspen]

yeah, that's the major version goes up forever

[still pike]

Even better https://calver.org/

[austere aspen]

0ver just... kinda bootlegs it and caps the major value

[midnight forge]

speaking of which, i'm not sure what i'm doing for 2022.4.1

[teal storm]

and in 0ver, the version after the 0. goes up for ever

[midnight forge]

i don't want to make another meme pep

a meme website sounds cool

[static trout]

ahahahahaha

[austere aspen]

yeah, so either way it's fucking stupid
keep semver

[teal storm]

semver is good

[midnight forge]

semver > calver as well

[austere aspen]

calender versioning is the only other type I'll allow

[midnight forge]

i think minecraft uses calender versioning (which is why it kinda sucks lmao)

[teal storm]

semver best

[austere aspen]

minecraft sucks because of calver, or the changelogs suck because of calver?

[midnight forge]

changelogs

[mortal hull]

since when does minecraft use calver

[austere aspen]

I was about to say XD

[midnight forge]

wait no it makes sense

[static trout]

bruh

[still pike]

Anything 0.x can have breaking changes in x releases, which is why 0ver is good™

[midnight forge]

calver is for snapshots, semver is for the actual versions

[austere aspen]

show us a sign if you're being forced to say this against your will

[midnight forge]

held at gunp0int by zer0ver's 0verl0rds lma0

[teal storm]

l0l

[austere aspen]

cease

[static trout]

and desist

[midnight forge]

n0

[still pike]

This but unironically

[teal storm]

ok byebye i play minecraf now :> and ignore my homework

[austere aspen]

you've lost your object priviliges

[teal storm]

good

objects are stinky

[midnight forge]

UH

[teal storm]

fp 4 life baybee

[austere aspen]

i will dereference you

[midnight forge]

i have the power of the divine object on my side.

[sick olive]

are cells made of atoms?

[teal storm]

suck my monad

[austere aspen]

this a threat, not a warning

[teal storm]

no

[serene dagger]

0h n00000...

[static trout]

everything is made of atoms so yes if you go down enough levels

but not the immediate level below cells no

[teal storm]

quarks are not made of atoms

[static trout]

organelles make up the cell

[serene dagger]

atoms are made out of me i made them bro

[static trout]

ok

[midnight forge]

yes, everything is made of atoms, then elementary particles, then strings, and since isinstance(str, object), everything is objects

[sick olive]

im talking if you go down REALLY far

[midnight forge]

this

[sick olive]

oh cool thanks

what part of me just makes me wants to go smaller

[still pike]

The Type of a Type is Type

[midnight forge]

(the strings part is theoretical and the objects part is a joke, btw...)

[midnight forge]

type(type) is type or another language?

[sick olive]

like what are quarks made from

[static trout]

nobody knows

[oak hemlock]

the type of type's type is type

[midnight forge]

we don't know, they may be the end of the line

[still pike]

Any language that has dependent types or Python

[static trout]

we can only make theories

like "string" theory

[midnight forge]

imagine if one day we find dark matter

[static trout]

which frankly is a bit weird

[midnight forge]

and it's just another quark

that happens to not interact

[teal storm]

types don't have types, but their fragment specifier is ty if that's what you want

[austere aspen]

when you're an instance of yourself

[midnight forge]

and object

[austere aspen]

no, you subclass from object

[sick olive]

does this make an infinite cycle of smaller things being made from even smaller things?

[austere aspen]

but you're created from type

[midnight forge]

so subsequently you're also an instance of object (indirect one)

[still pike]

Type types are kinds

[serene dagger]

u cant find it its really just a very elaborate joke

[austere aspen]

that feels contrived

[midnight forge]

"god does not play dicemake jokes" -- maybe not einstein

[glacial tree]

You ever feel like life is an elaborate joke

[midnight forge]

no that's what i thought before you replied

[serene dagger]

i do

[austere aspen]

god has been wheezing for the past 200,000 years

[oak hemlock]

I have?

[sick olive]

yup

[midnight forge]

we sure are pathetically funny

[oak hemlock]

haha

[static trout]

bruh.

[midnight forge]

oh look at those humans slowly driving themselves to extinction, how amusing

[ocean walrus]

Hi :D

[austere aspen]

hey aboo

[serene dagger]

yeah my life really does feel like a really bad drama

[sick olive]

hi

[midnight forge]

hi D:

[ocean walrus]

Damn grim topic

[austere aspen]

life is a joke, and you're the punchline

[oak hemlock]

yeah aboo

[midnight forge]

...

[ocean walrus]

How rude

[midnight forge]

lmfao

[ocean walrus]

Why so mean

[austere aspen]

lmao

[oak hemlock]

you're the punchline

[ocean walrus]

No I'm not

[serene dagger]

:D

[oak hemlock]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cute-adorable-punch-gif-17822730

[ocean walrus]

You are

[austere aspen]

what, you want to be the setup instead?

ok, fine

[ocean walrus]

Lies

[midnight forge]

lies.

[sick olive]

epilepsy ensues

[glacial tree]

Lies, damned lies, and statistics

[oak hemlock]

gross. Apple

[midnight forge]

that quote is so damn familiar

[serene dagger]

why did u say lies 3 times

[static trout]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YonS9_QJbp8
now that we're talking about lies

[oak hemlock]

meow

speaking of lies

the cake

[serene dagger]

nya

[midnight forge]

>>> class Statistics:
        pass

>>> bool(Statistics())
VeryFalse
```huh, interesting

[static trout]

dis be amazing

[woven grotto]

Does C# have a way to assign 2 variables individual values on one line like on python?

x, y = "hello", "world"

maybe string x, string y =

[oak hemlock]

Why would you do this even in Python

[woven grotto]

simplifying code

Using less lines

iirc it works by essentially making all the values into a tuple, then assigns each value positonally

eg: x would be "hello", y would be "world"

Pos of x is 0, y is 1

"hello" is index 0, "world" is index 1

I could essentially make that myself but.. ngl that sounds pretty boring to me

[oak hemlock]

apparently this is a thing

Testing pending

[oak hemlock]

Testing has confirmed

this is indeed possible

so much boilerplate :faint:

[woven grotto]

Oh hey, that actually works, cool

I'll test it out

qq tho

when would I use var?

vs int, string, bool, etc

[oak hemlock]

I think you use var when the type can be implied

not sure

[woven grotto]

alr

[oak hemlock]

I've gathered that purely from Rider suggestions lol

[still pike]

Not always

Which is a quite a huge disadvantage of polymorphism

[ocean walrus]

A lot, not all

[still pike]

Type inference algorithms are difficult

[ocean walrus]

I tried to read up about one

And proceeded to die on the inside

Henry Miller algo or something

[woven grotto]

would it be considered malicious to make a cheat for a free + single player game made in 2013

Who am I kidding, it's malicious, idk why I asked, it's surely fun though

[still pike]

Hindley-Milner

[oak hemlock]

lol

[oak hemlock]

It depends

it breaks the rules of the game, it's probably a no go

[still pike]

@ocean walrus This might interest you though https://github.com/JDemler/BidirectionalTypechecking

[oak hemlock]

like people cheat games "legally" all the time

like old game speedruns or something

[neat glen]

hmm, are ctfs considered "malicious"

[woven grotto]

No?

Why would they be

[still pike]

The original paper is terminology purgatory but it just boils down to two functions: synthesize and check

[woven grotto]

The entire purpose of them is to use your skills to capture a flag

[oak hemlock]

Depends on the flag lmao

[neat glen]

sql injections can be malicious, but when at ctf suddenly it isn't ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[oak hemlock]

That'd not be allowed here

Just tryna hack into a bank for a CTF 👍

[woven grotto]

The actions can be malicious, yes, but you're not doing anything maliciously towards them

[neat glen]

sounds good

just trying to hack fbi in order to get the flag

[woven grotto]

Brb gonna hack myself a girlfriend

[oak hemlock]

yup

speaking of which

Why are there so many people that come into here asking to hack into their partner's social media

or has that trend died down

[neat glen]

gonna hack myself a friend 😔

[still pike]

I haven't seen anyone ask that

[oak hemlock]

Really?

[woven grotto]

"partner's"

[neat glen]

yeah they are doing it for a ctf

[oak hemlock]

I remember seeing a bunch of people in #python-discussion I think

or maybe it was another server hmmm

[woven grotto]

I see it all the time

I laugh at those people

[neat glen]

yeah i just met one trying to hack his "friend"'s instagram on that channel last night

[woven grotto]

"How can I violate the ToS of this social media to both steal my 'friends' password, but also to risk a lawsuit / legal trouble?"

[neat glen]

simple, ask your 'friends'

[oak hemlock]

lol maybe it was a linux server where people asked tat

[woven grotto]

Most of the time they say their friend got hacked / locked out

as if they think spamming the login api would fix that

[oak hemlock]

idk, always these wannabe hackers using Kali wanting to hack into someone's Facebook/Instagram/whatever

[woven grotto]

I tried to hack my GMAIL one time on Kali 🥲 I was a skid

[oak hemlock]

lol

[woven grotto]

When people make video game cheats why do some inject a DLL? And how does it get considered "Undetectable" via code... like almost all video game cheats / cheats in general are detectable..???

I know why DLL injection is used since it allows tampering of data, though, why DLL injection and not like... memory address changing

or something

[midnight forge]

THERE ISNT EVEN A FRAME IN THE TB WHAT

[oak hemlock]

lol

[neat sparrow]

Because with dll's it's possible to add your own code to the game

[empty flint]

Does anyone have any idea why I can't use the git clone

[neat sparrow]

or at least minimally exploitable code

[neat sparrow]

we won't know unless you show us the exact error log

[oak hemlock]

lol

you don't have git installed

[empty flint]

Oh you know what

Makes sense, Im on my laptop not pc 😭

[oak hemlock]

also do yourself the favor and use PowerShell \😩

modern PowerShell, anyways

https://github.com/PowerShell/PowerShell

[neat sparrow]

istg windows starts up so slowly that I could fry chicken in that time

[oak hemlock]

it's been fine for me

[empty flint]

Starts pretty fast for me ngl

[neat sparrow]

gonna delete mcafee since I don't need it on this pc

[oak hemlock]

ugh

I hate literally like all antivirus

[empty flint]

Y'all familar with Visual Paradigm and Postgres ?

[neat sparrow]

I have the subscription, but on my laptop and my Dad's laptop. I'll just delete it on this pc so that 1 device slot will be freed

[oak hemlock]

is visual paradigm supposed to be drag and drop or something

[empty flint]

I've been having to create the stuff myself

But from what I understand, I can translate my datamodels into a database, but it seems to not work :(

Says it did it, yet no result

[neat sparrow]

https://discord.gg/WmFhzKmp is doing a laptop giveaway

[empty flint]

@neat sparrow You know what this is about

Obviously I do have python installed

[neat sparrow]

try python3

did you add python to your PATH when you installed it?

[empty flint]

I did use python3

[neat sparrow]

then python must not be in your path

[empty flint]

How do I fix that?

[oak hemlock]

they're on Windows

[neat sparrow]

python3 works on windows for me

[oak hemlock]

dang it your name is impossible to ping by typing

[oak hemlock]

depends how you installed

[empty flint]

Now you can

[neat glen]

hi, i don't know anything about java and a picoctf is about it, how do i use a class in java

[oak hemlock]

@empty flint How did you install Python

[neat sparrow]

If it isn't working properly, I would just reinstall it and make sure to tick "add python to PATH"

[empty flint]

I downloaded it from the website and went through that

Python 3.9.7

[oak hemlock]

okay, so type py -V and tell us what is outputted

also make sure you reopen your terminal after you installed

[neat glen]

nvm i'ma try c# syntax

[oak hemlock]

for PATH changes to take effect

[neat sparrow]

In arithmetic, it's not going to sum the entire value

[empty flint]

Python 3.9.7

[oak hemlock]

so then use py instead of python or python3 and you'll be good

[mortal hull]

there's this concept of multiple float values comparing equal, i think python just picks the nicest looking one to display

[empty flint]

Oki thank you

[oak hemlock]

no need to tinker with much else

[neat sparrow]

You can get minecraft bedrock and java with one price now. And if you have java, you can get bedrock for free

[oak hemlock]

damn so I bought both for nothing

[neat sparrow]

You should've waited bruh. I knew they were going to do this eventually

When did you buy the second edition?

[oak hemlock]

Like... 3 years ago

[mortal hull]

like why python displays 0.1 instead of whatever that expansion is

[empty flint]

Im so confused

I followed every single step this dude wrote down in his GitHub and in his video for Tkinter Designer

Yet it seems to give out an error at the end, every single time

[pale mesa]

how do i redeem this

[serene dagger]

oh thats nice to know
too bad i literally stopped playing minecraft the second i bought it lmao

[neat sparrow]

at the moment, it's only for people with an xbox game pass

I think

[oak hemlock]

oh.

I already knew this

[neat sparrow]

This is the new launcher

[oak hemlock]

Check the reviews

[neat sparrow]

damn

no mods

nah fuh tha shi

Imma try bedrock out tho you feel me

[still pike]

Get game pass to get Java and Bedrock :P

[neat sparrow]

nah you don't have to

[oak hemlock]

iirc that launcher is at 1.x stars

people hate it

[neat sparrow]

I'm downloading bedrock for free with the launcher but just to test it

[oak hemlock]

namely the modders

[neat sparrow]

If it's ass, I'm deleting it

[oak hemlock]

the reviews are enough to tell you that it's ass

but gl lol

[neat sparrow]

tbh I only got it to try out bedrock

[oak hemlock]

the only thing I like about Bedrock is the easy speed bridging lol

everything else kinda garbage

[neat sparrow]

I like Java cause mods + easy one block mining

[oak hemlock]

"one block mining"?

oh is that abusing elytra/trap door squishing

[thick widget]

wow!

[thick widget]

ye

[neat sparrow]

yeah trap door

[oak hemlock]

it's not that cool, though

[thick widget]

bedrock players are like "why should i spend 50 years to learn a speedbridging method on java when it requires 0 on bedrock"

[oak hemlock]

I mean tbh

[static trout]

it's called crouching pretty sure

[thick widget]

because thats the only good aspect about bedrock

[oak hemlock]

I mean being able to fit in the space is cool

but mining isn't as cool

[thick widget]

uhm, anticlaustrophobic?

[neat sparrow]

I mean, it's cool for secret tunnels

Not sure if too many people know about the one block thing

[thick widget]

i think i do

but never checked it out

[neat sparrow]

😂 this shit ass

[thick widget]

LOL

YOU HAVE TO UNLOCK FULL?

[neat sparrow]

😐

[thick widget]

LLOL

[neat sparrow]

fuh tha shi

[oak hemlock]

I have Bedrock

[thick widget]

but not a life /j

[ocean walrus]

Aha take that @oak hemlock

[oak hemlock]

take what

[ocean walrus]

That

[oak hemlock]

hm I think I hate VSCode

Why does it not tell me that I'm editing an older version of a file

why is there not any easy/obvious way to just... reload

now I have to redo everything I just did

[pale mesa]

close the tab and reopen it

[oak hemlock]

and lose all my progress, yay

[pale mesa]

copy to clipboard first

21st century problems smh

[oak hemlock]

I have something already in my clipboard

[ocean walrus]

I seem to be enjoying C

[mental oak]

Hello👋

[oak hemlock]

Good fucking lord

this is annoying the heck out of me

Hate VSCode >:(

[neat sparrow]

C do be enjoyable

[pale mesa]

21st century problems be like

[neat sparrow]

nice to write little cli programs that interface with the hardware

[oak hemlock]

I actually feel so infuriated LOL

This feels so stupid

[ocean walrus]

VSCode is nice

[oak hemlock]

no

[ocean walrus]

Lies

[neat sparrow]

it's nice and ass at the same time

[oak hemlock]

ugh all of that for nothing

[neat sparrow]

unity smh

fuh unity, godot for life!

[oak hemlock]

no

did you know Godot is in the standard openSUSE repos

[neat sparrow]

One export template for all platforms

[neat sparrow]

yeah

[oak hemlock]

Unity aims to do the same

[neat sparrow]

3.4 just got released today

I just finished my last SAT so I'm hoping I can do more fun shit

Gonna start learning driving soon

[oak hemlock]

very sad

Unity broken again

[pale mesa]

my As starts tomorrow 🤡 and i am so underprepared

[neat sparrow]

As?

[pale mesa]

alevels

[neat sparrow]

oh

[pale mesa]

i havnt learn the whole of statistics yet so well

[neat sparrow]

I would've done that if I remained in the cambridge school system

[pale mesa]

not surprising if i have to retain and retake next year

this is why kids you should study 🤡

[neat sparrow]

My IGCSE's were stressful af but I got a merit

mostly A's and B's

[oak hemlock]

idek what you guys are talking about

[neat sparrow]

gpa transferred here and now I have a 3.67

I'm sure my new gpa is higher than that from this semester

[oak hemlock]

ngl I think my GPA is a 2.something

[serene dagger]

good thing i never had standarized grades idk how dumb i really am and its best that way /dab

[teal storm]

i want to know what my psat scores are

apparently they will be released in December

[neat sparrow]

I went all out on this SAT

hoping I can get 1300+ at least

The time constraints suck

[teal storm]

Cambridge MA? or Cambridge Terf Island

[neat sparrow]

on the english section, I always don't have enough time

[oak hemlock]

I forgot what I got on my PSAT

[neat sparrow]

cambridgeinternational

[teal storm]

what's a cambridge school system

[woven grotto]

I need some math nerds

So

[teal storm]

im a math nerd

what u need

[neat sparrow]

University of Cambridge

[teal storm]

i don't get it

[neat sparrow]

https://www.cambridgeinternational.org/programmes-and-qualifications/cambridge-upper-secondary/cambridge-igcse/

[oak hemlock]

rip

[teal storm]

oof

[neat sparrow]

I got a 1180 in the last SAT

shit hit me

[oak hemlock]

in fairness... I did not study at all for these

[teal storm]

i really hope i do well

ya gurl need dat scholarship money

[neat sparrow]

same

[teal storm]

homegirl broke asf 💀

[mortal hull]

the scholarship is incredibly annoying

[oak hemlock]

I think I've given up on education

idk. I'm burnt out already

"education" if it can even be called that

[neat sparrow]

shiii If you're a senior, there's a new scholarship I told aboo about but I aint gonna say it because the competition is already too much lmao

[teal storm]

i keep hope

[neat sparrow]

$40,000 and a paid internship at <company>

[oak hemlock]

[teal storm]

my bro dropped failed out of northeastern in his first semester and was a pizza delivery boy for 10 years but now he works a 6 figure job after going back to school

so, i keep hope

of course, the fact he got into NE in the first place probably says something

[woven grotto]

So, I have a common pattern in this value : value thing

1 : 1065353216
        > +8388608
2 : 1073741824
        > +4194304
3 : 1077936128
        > +4194304
4 : 1082130432
        > +2097152
5 : 1084227584
        > +2097152
6 : 1086324736
        > +2097152
7 : 1088421888
        > +2097152
8 : 1090519040
        > +1048576
9 : 1091567616```

With the value of 1, it starts at `1065353216` for the output. as you most likely noticed, the FIRST change is `+8388608`, that would be pretty simple to make an equation of, right? well.

from 2 - 3, the change is 1/2 of +8388608, still seems like an easy math equation, more like a slope intercept equation.. right? **Well**

from 4 -8, the changes are now 1/2 of `+4194304`... even then, still an easy math equation... right...? Right? ***__WELL__***

from  8 - 9 it's now 1/2 of `+2097152`, and you can make the assumption it will continue said pattern until eventually the input becomes a specific value.

So my question is, how should I go about actually figuring out this pattern? I don't know if the values get halfed every 4, every 8, if its random, I don't know!

I could continue to get values and their changes up until idk, 20? and I could probably see the pattern then, however, I'm not sure

[teal storm]

it could be it gets halved the next nth power of 2

[mortal hull]

I always hate talking about scores

[woven grotto]

nth? what's that supposed to mean

I've never really heard that tbh

[teal storm]

do you have the rest of the sequence? try the next 7 and see if they're also 1,048,576

[mortal hull]

you never know who's sensitive about what they got

[teal storm]

tru

[woven grotto]

I've got a notepad open and as I find each value + the change I document it down, manually, I should mention

this is quite a tedious task, but it could help so much to have it done

[serene dagger]

me staying so secretive about everything ppl get funny assumptions :>

[mortal hull]

plug it into a calculator and do regression

[woven grotto]

I'll go up to 16 and see if I notice a specific pattern afterwards

[teal storm]

standardized testing is a scam, unfortunately it's a scam that pretty much governs the kind of life ill live so. yea :/

[woven grotto]

I assume that means 1/2 it every time?

[neat sparrow]

same

[teal storm]

how do you "find" the next value?

[neat sparrow]

After the IGCSE mock exams, everyone just agreed to shut up

most did well though

[mortal hull]

but you did it 🤔

[neat sparrow]

yeah 🤷🏿‍♂️

[teal storm]

....twenty-three fifty-eight?

[mortal hull]

yeah

[short oyster]

twenty three fifty eight

[teal storm]

:p

[neat sparrow]

I just pronounce it as it is in 12 hour time

[short oyster]

or 2 minutes to 0 dark

[mortal hull]

two thousand three hundred fifty eight

[teal storm]

well

[short oyster]

?

[oak hemlock]

.-.

[teal storm]

are you specifically talking abt military time or just 24-hour time

[woven grotto]

Well, it's memory address modifying, I change the value of a specific address, it changes the value of another address, and I get that value, so I could do the value of 1, it outputs one value, so I just increase the value until it hits a set value if there is one, and I'll eventually get a change for value x

[oak hemlock]

that's a... thing apparently

[teal storm]

then idk

[teal storm]

what even

[viral hull]

never heard that before, but apparently some people do pronounce "00:00" as "balls", since it's a few round shapes in a row.

weird.

[teal storm]

00:00* (unless military time is different from 24-hour time in weird ways)

[woven grotto]

I'm actually learning about like, growth + decay within a table / graph, and this seems to be exactly what I need to understand to figure out the slope

[neat sparrow]

24 balls

[woven grotto]

and well, if I find the slope this math equation is a piece of cake afaik

[short oyster]

huh, I usually know it as "zero hundred". I don't know anyone in the military that says balls or twenty four hundred

[teal storm]

there is no slope

it's very clearly not a linear function

[mortal hull]

it's not linear

[woven grotto]

Not slope, I mean y intercept thing

[solid prawn]

lol

[short oyster]

what branch are you in?

[woven grotto]

I could get y = something(x) + starting value couldn't i?

[solid prawn]

no

[short oyster]

eeey nice alright

[viral hull]

I agree, I've only heard "zero hundred hours" - though https://www.reddit.com/r/NoStupidQuestions/comments/6i4ing/how_do_you_pronounce_0000_in_24_hour_time/ shows that at least some people say "balls" 🤷

[teal storm]

the y-intercept is just when your input is 0 what you get out

[woven grotto]

true, the value of y being 0 is 0, so

[short oyster]

I've worked with a variety of submariners, marines, and army folks

[solid prawn]

if you graphed a function like this you'd get a straight line
the function you have wouldn't be a straight line if you plotted it

[woven grotto]

it would basically be y = something(x) + 0 which is well, just y = *something*(x)

[solid prawn]

no

[mortal hull]

well something could be any function

[solid prawn]

well

yes

[woven grotto]

if the y intercept is 0 then there is no reason to have a + 0 when it's adding nothing

so it's just y = something(x)

[solid prawn]

this assumption is flawed

[short oyster]

work with as a civ

[woven grotto]

Why's that? I'm interested

[mortal hull]

how?

[viral hull]

is "submariners" pronounced like marinate or like marine biology? I know "mariner" is pronounced more like "marinate" than like "marine", but I don't know if that extends to "submariner"

[teal storm]

military is unbased, i don't make character judgements on ppl just for being in it w/o a bigger picture tho

[solid prawn]

its not a linear function

[short oyster]

marine is "mar-een"
submariner is "sub-marin-er"
submarine is "sub-mar-een"

it's weird, we know.

[mortal hull]

something doesn't have to be linear though

[solid prawn]

assuming "something" and "starting value" are constants

[viral hull]

that honestly would have been my guess, but I never knew for sure 😄

[teal storm]

@woven grotto is your "something" a value or a function

[woven grotto]

likely a value

[mortal hull]

Haskell says they're the same thing

[teal storm]

no

[woven grotto]

Are you saying No to me or

[teal storm]

yws

[woven grotto]

Alright

[teal storm]

yes

it is not a linear function
that is to say, it cannot be written in the form y = mx + b

[woven grotto]

But, it can be written in y = i(x) couldn't it

it's not a linear function, no

[teal storm]

what is i there

[woven grotto]

i = input

or well, the value that would be there once I find it

[teal storm]

x is always your input

[woven grotto]

true

[teal storm]

if you mean "i times x" then no, that's a linear function

[woven grotto]

hm

[short oyster]

Do you know which class of sub you're going on?

[teal storm]

which is not what you have

[woven grotto]

alright

[teal storm]

in fact, i suspect your function isn't even polynomial

[woven grotto]

... I've forgotten some terms

please do so reiterate rq

[mortal hull]

it's probably C * (1/2)^(floor(x/2^n)

[teal storm]

polynomial -> y = ax^0 + bx^1 + cx^2 + dx^3 + ex^4 ...

[woven grotto]

yeah uh, definitely not that

[sick olive]

btw I use arch

[teal storm]

agreed

[mortal hull]

wait no

[teal storm]

and yet you seem to think it is linear, which is a subset of polynomial

[sick olive]

I don't actually use arch

[teal storm]

im thining more like

uhhh

[solid prawn]

||plug it into oeis||

[teal storm]

lol

[mortal hull]

I got the order of stuff wrong in the exponent

[teal storm]

yeah

but those general vibes

there's definitely some 2^x and some floor

[woven grotto]

I assume the sequence would be

Value 1 : *some value*

Value 2 : *Some value*

and so on?

that's my prediction of it at least

[teal storm]

aren't all sequences?

[mortal hull]

that's a very general prediction