python-discussion

[oblique spindle]

Understanding low level things is useful for curious people but not knowing it is not a big deal.

[pastel sluice]

@raw bramble right now I'm doing 3D in Python, and almost all the really heavy work happens on the GPU. It's just a matter of getting it into the GPU in an efficient way

[strange girder]

the not-from-scratch way is to use pydantic or msgspec

[raw bramble]

I find understanding low level concepts in any field helps grant me a greater understanding of the higher-level concepts, but it's not neccesary for me to work with them

[crisp jay]

Computers are essentially just bunch of 0 and 1 manipulated in different ways

[prime sorrel]

remember folks, whenever you thinking learning low level is the only way to make money, remember that bill gates wrote DONKEY.BAS.

[dusty ember]

having some basic idea of the systems you work with is a good idea, sure (and most people will probably have more than that--most CS programs will have you take multiple courses about systems and computer architecture).

[raw bramble]

Although for me it's a bit more extreme than most people. I can only really feel concrete in my understanding if I know the ultimate Why and How to something

[eternal loom]

9.0%4
Out[22]: 1.0

-9.0%4
Out[23]: 3.0

how ?
can anyone tell what's the logic behind this

[oblique spindle]

Like under the hood insertion in a list is O(n) but unless you're using 10²⁰ length of lists you'll never feel the O(n)
.
I tested this you just have to insert at the front in a for loop so it becomes 1 + 2 + 3.. n = O(n²) then it becomes painfully obvious

[raw bramble]

Like with addition and multiplication. Although I've understood them since I was a child, I feel like I understand them more now that I understand their commutative and associative properties

[crisp jay]

The strategy is building your own wheel 💪

[raw bramble]

But I've never needed to know or understand those properties to do maths

[oblique spindle]

Yes

[prime sorrel]

im very aware of the strategy.

[oblique spindle]

https://Nandgame.com is a very fun website ngl.

[prime sorrel]

but i dont ahve time to do all that, its a poor choice of tool for the job in hand

[raw bramble]

I love doing this so much

If I can create that thing, then I should be allowed to use it.

If I can't yet, and I don't need it, then I shouldn't use it

[oblique spindle]

The official syllabus for computer stuff is so bad the last thing I remember studying in my school is www and html with styling 💀

[lapis idol]

im looking for an expert of python for a new project. If u r one, plz send me a dm.

[raw bramble]

css?

[strange girder]

9 is 4*2 + 1, and -9 is 4*-3 + 3, so the remainders are 1 and 3 respectively

[crisp jay]

Html is kinda easy

Idk web development seems boring

[raw bramble]

You can always just message in here, there's plenty of people who know python and will be willing to talk to you in one of these channels, less so in DMs, though.

[oblique spindle]

They're still teaching html with styling in schools , outdated syllabus

Css was never taught to me.

[lapis idol]

okey sorry

[raw bramble]

my school taught html and visual basic, but the teachers didn't have the best grasp on much else

[lapis idol]

so someone can help for a project plz

[raw bramble]

what's your project, you can always just as your question

no need to ask to ask :P

[ornate wren]

visual basic . net? or the old visual basic?

[prime sorrel]

old.

i was devestated when it went to DOT NET. even the name is awful. DOT NET.

vb6 captain here all the way!!! boarn and BREAD!

[raw bramble]

I can't remember 😭 it really could have been either

[prime sorrel]

used to get bullied for it. but now it's 'retro' people are starting to say its actually somewhat 'cool.

[raw bramble]

I'm going to guess .NET, but that's entirely a guess based on vibes, it is equally as likely have been VB6

[raw bramble]

You shouldn't be bullied for using VB6. ||you should be bullied for using Visual Basic 😭 ||

[prime sorrel]

give it your best shot. only rule, its face to face and not behind a screen.

[raw bramble]

I can't be mean to people in real life, I don't have a real life 😢

[prime sorrel]

i figured

[raw bramble]

aw man

[prime sorrel]

also you do realise we are in a python room. lol

its not exactly sega megadrive assembly

[eternal loom]

roasted mode

[raw bramble]

Visual Basic itself is a bit outdated nowadays

[prime sorrel]

visual basic 6 did me well.

as i said yesterday, i just cant continue with windows.

[ornate wren]

Dnam how long has been? that is like 2000 era

[prime sorrel]

visual basic's biggest flaw being, windows

[raw bramble]

Same, I swapped to arch last week, I have no clue what I'm doing for some things because the tutorials aren't specific enough, but I'll figure it out some day

[prime sorrel]

i'd strip it down to a black screen write terminals, do opengl graphics and stuff, make it procedural. lots of fun and learning

[ornate wren]

vb.net is useless when you have C#

[prime sorrel]

oh and also i got it free, i think its OK to confess.. it was stolen many years ago

[raw bramble]

I need to figure out what my "workflow" or my "style" is for working with my computer, since with Windows I never had to think about it, I was forced to do what Microslop wanted

[autumn pelican]

You went windows-> arch?

[raw bramble]

Yeah

[autumn pelican]

Oh boy

You're gonna have a lot of fun

[raw bramble]

I've had experience with Linux before, just not on my home computer

[autumn pelican]

Ah good

[raw bramble]

I always thought it'd be so hard to find all the files I want to keep and back them up, since file management has always overwhelmed me, so I never swapped before

I'm loving Hyprland though :D

[craggy willow]

opengl graphics in terminals

[prime sorrel]

no, comma, new item: do opengl graphics and stuff.

pygame is debatable though, aye?

[craggy willow]

but but

[crisp jay]

Lowkey Hyprland is the best wm I ever used

[craggy willow]

opengl graphics in terminals

[prime sorrel]

ah okay

[crisp jay]

Now make it interactive with touch monitors

[craggy willow]

it is interactive, you can click on it and make a new thingy appear, i think it shows in the video

[raw bramble]

I've heard that Vulcan is better for modern, high-end devices?

[raw bramble]

How much more complicated is it than OpenGL?

[lucid agate]

i’m switching to MechE or Civil that’s it

i can’t keep living like this😩😩😩😩

[raw bramble]

from dataclasses import dataclass, asdict
import json
from pathlib import Path

file_path = Path("./jsoning/files.json")

@dataclass
class Person:
    name:str

def open():
    with file_path.open("r") as f:
        print("File loaded succesfully")
        return json.load(f)

def save(data):
    with file_path.open("w") as f:
        print("File saved succesfully")
        json.dump(data,f,indent=4)

test = Person("Jane")
data = open()

print(data)

save(data)

In order to update some json file, I'd need to convert all of the entries in it into instances of a dataclass inside a list, right?

Then do add more people, I'd need to add more instances of that dataclass to that list

Then to update the json file, I'd need to convert the list of dataclasses back into json, then save it?

[robust ledge]

If the question is "how do I update a .json file" then yes. You need to read it, make the changes, and then write it back out.

[raw bramble]

I'm trying to make a small CLI tool that lets you make a task-list, and check them off once they're completed. I need a way to save the tasks, so I thought I could use a json file for it

[robust ledge]

A json file is one way to store structured data. Sounds like a plan.

[raw bramble]

How do I convert the json string into the dataclasses?

[robust ledge]

You don't have a string. json.load(f) retruns a dictionary.

Well... it returns Any.

But you either have a list of dicts or a dict. Print it and look.

[raw bramble]

this is my temp json file (i needed something in it so the code would read something)

[
    {
        "name": "John"
    }
]

Yeah it returns a list

A list with a dict in it

[robust ledge]

So you'd need to iterate through the list and then create an instance of your Person dataclass for each item.

[raw bramble]

you can do __as_dict__ in a dataclass, right? is there a way to make a __from_dict__

[edgy kraken]

Hey @pure grotto!

Please edit your message to use a code block

Add a py after the three backticks.

```py
print('Hello, world!')
```

This will result in the following:

print('Hello, world!')```

[robust ledge]

You can write your own. You can also splat the dictionary you have into the dataclass. Although this requires the file to always match the dataclass. new_person = Persion(**my_dict)

[raw bramble]

splat?

[silver plover]

(Dont use dataclasses_json, which is overly complicated and unmaintained for a few years)

[raw bramble]

I've tried looking this up and it told me to use that, which I took one look at and decided it's too complicated

but also damn, google, and all search engines have gotten way worse recently

[silver plover]

Yah, look at git issues . Its abandoned

[raw bramble]

I remember when I first joined here, I asked questions because I couldn't understand the answers given by search engines and needed someone to explain things in a human way (I still find conversations a much better way of understanding and learning), but now I'm asking questions here because I get no good results now when I search things up😭

I have to ask things here now, once again

[robust ledge]

Is there a reason your mixing making a new app with dataclasses? It seems your new to both json and dataclass. Could be easier to just work with json and then add dataclass later.

[raw bramble]

unfortunately, I'm not new to these things. I've just forgotten that much about python D:

I wish I was just new to these things, but most of the time when I'm asking a specific question here, it's because I used to know that thing :(

[robust ledge]

You do you, there is no judgement here. Just suggesting breaking off a smaller piece.

[crisp jay]

I hate when searching for docs of something in Python and the results are Geeks4Geeks and RealPython

[patent kestrel]

realpython slander

[raw bramble]

How would you work with json and non-data classes

[crisp jay]

Shitpython

[raw bramble]

realpython isn't good, it's just better than Geeks4Geeks.

[crisp jay]

Imagine needing to login in a website to see basic things of Python

[raw bramble]

Delete your cookies after every couple of pages you open

[crisp jay]

That the official docs do it for free

[spice hill]

yeah the login banner is terrible. but I think it won't show up if you use incognito mode

[raw bramble]

I think a website that explains python concepts like actual humans having a conversation or actually learning about those concepts and answering questions as they'd naturally come up would be good

[velvet trout]

Official python docs solos every other tutorial

[bronze dragon]

I mostly use RP as a friendlier alternative to the docs specifically for beginners for whom the docs would not be enough of a "tutorial" kind of resource

[raw bramble]

tutorial.py needs to exist

[robust ledge]

Just work with the data as a list and dict in the code. How familiar are you with that?

[raw bramble]

not the most familiar, from the moment I learned about dataclasses i've used them

[past shard]

Is anyone of you here familiar with whatsapp api??

[robust ledge]

Do you want to stick with dataclasses? You're driving here.

[raw bramble]

I think I'd like to use dataclasses, since I've always used them. I'm guessing without using them, I'd make a function that checks the keys of a dict to make sure they match up to my target (making sure this isnt some random dict), and then changing or adding values.

[bronze dragon]

I think it would be valuable to get some experience in working with just lists and dicts

[raw bramble]

actually yeah no you're right 😭

What am I thinking. Start with the basics

[raw bramble]

forget this

[robust ledge]

Ah peer pressure.

[raw bramble]

My biggest issue has always been knowing enough about things to move on without fully understanding them

[robust ledge]

If you let Pydis drive, you'll be loading pydantic base models for your very starter cli app.

((this is humor))

[spice hill]

In terms of Diataxis, the official docs cover the "reference" and "how-to guides" quadrants very well, and sometimes touch on "explanation". But there's not a lot of "tutorial" style materials, especially for people relatively new to programming.
For example, this is all the official tutorial has to say about generators: https://docs.python.org/3/tutorial/classes.html#generators. I think it's pretty difficult to grok generators from such a short description and literally just one example

[raw bramble]

if I have a file like this

{
    "first_name":"John",
    "last_name":"Jane",
}

and use this

with open("./jsoning/people.pydict","r") as f:
    data = f.read()
print(data)

that retrieves the dict as a string

[worn moth]

use json.load

[robust ledge]

You can't have that though. A dict cannot have duplicate keys.

[raw bramble]

oops yeah 😭 I meant it to be a list of dicts

I'll just use a single dict rn though

[robust ledge]

Yup, the edited will read the file as a string. That's where json.load() or json.loads() comes in.

[patent kestrel]

Person(**your_dict) will make an instance of Person assuming the dict has all the attributes

[raw bramble]

what's the difference between .load() and .loads() ?

[pastel sluice]

.load takes a file object, .loads takes a string

[velvet trout]

Indeed. Btw i was joking.

[velvet trout]

I asked the same thing a while ago too for dump/dumps And the "s" in loads stands for string from what i recall

[raw bramble]

oh that makes sense :D

thank you

[velvet trout]

Yeah. I was like you, scratching my head about what it could be.... Then asked here, people replied and then oh that makes sense!!!

[worn moth]

foo = json.load(open("foo.json", "r")) so convenient

[supple dome]

is tkinter a good library to start with?

im beginner

[pulsar saffron]

sup

[raw bramble]

@robust ledge like this?

import json

with open("./jsoning/people.json","r") as f:
    data:list = []
    try:
        data = json.load(f)
    except json.decoder.JSONDecodeError:
        pass

def add_data(first_name:str,last_name:str):
    new_dict = {
        "first_name":first_name,
        "last_name":last_name
        }

    data.append(new_dict)

print(data)

add_data("john","doe")

with open("./jsoning/people.json","w") as f:
    json.dump(data,f,indent=4)

[robust ledge]

Does it work?

[raw bramble]

yes :D

[robust ledge]

Great start then!

[raw bramble]

I can create new data, but I'm thinking about editing existing data, and deleting data now.

[robust ledge]

You are mutating data as a global object though and that will limit or complicate what you can do later. Maybe return the new dict from add_data and append it outside of the function.

e.g: Instead of add_data() maybe create_person() and move the append out of the function.

[raw bramble]

alright :P

[robust ledge]

or carry on and figure out editing. :P You're driving.

[crisp jay]

del

[unborn heron]

hello

can anyone remind me how to make it so that the printed text can go down a line like
this

[humble jungle]

\n maybe?

[unborn heron]

Oh ye that thxz

[oblique spindle]

You'll never forget that in Cpp

🤣

[unborn heron]

noo clue what that means

[crisp jay]

Blud doesnt know 💀

[zealous lion]

they are bragging about their knowledge of how to print hello world in C++

[unborn heron]

ah

Honestly couldn't care ik i never learning that stuff

[crisp jay]

You are going to

Everyone is capable of learning

[unborn heron]

no no

not like i cant

i mean i wont

[crisp jay]

You should at least know some

[oblique spindle]

Yeah 1200 rating in Codeforces by printing hello World , it is really disrespectful to say someone else is bragging when you don't know them

[heady moat]

Guys i code on google collab…. Can u guys tell me till where it will be good there cause since it’s free so and i have to spend money for a laptop … i got an ipad rn

[crisp jay]

Google collab?

[heady moat]

Yeah

[unborn heron]

google collab has a coding syste>'

?*

[crisp jay]

An used lenovo thinkpad is probably fine

[heady moat]

Yeah google colab

[unborn heron]

Whenever im on my phone i usually just use notepad

[rocky heath]

I have two if statements that include the same condition, better that way? or have them nested in an if statement of that shared conditon?

speed wise

im having speed/throttling issues

[heady moat]

I got a keyboard attached to ipad so its just missing the software at this point

[zealous lion]

I found your comment to be equally disrespectful. I read it as “look, I know C++, i’m smarter than you”

[crisp jay]

Send a snippet of your code please

[rocky heath]

For sure

[heady moat]

Dunno but a single line text is often faster

[oblique spindle]

I'll try not to be like that next time , I really didn't mean it :(

[zealous lion]

no worries

[rocky heath]

i did that wrong

one sec

[hearty nacelle]

What's the minimum effort to make an object class DefaultFalse which is falsey and can be used in bool contexts? E.g. debug: bool = DefaultFalse()

[rocky heath]

How do i attach it? i normally upload the file in the forum but i cant in the chat

[crisp jay]

!paste

[edgy kraken]

Pasting large amounts of code

So that everyone can easily read your code, you can paste it in this website:
https://paste.pythondiscord.com/

After pasting your code, save it by clicking the Paste! button in the bottom left, or by pressing CTRL + S. After doing that, you will be navigated to the new paste's page. Copy the URL and post it here so others can see it.

[hearty nacelle]

Use https://bpa.st/

[rocky heath]

ik, im just not sure how to upload it to the chat. i cant upload a file, i usally download it from the website

[surreal knot]

you can send a link to a pastebin

[hearty nacelle]

Post your code on https://bpa.st/, and then share the link to it here

[rocky heath]

Link, thanks

https://bpa.st/43AQ

What do you guys think?

@crisp jay

[crisp jay]

Ok so your code has 1 equal statement
self.mouse_position % 25 == 0

You could make an inverse statement that just ends the function early like this:

self.mouse_position % 25 != 0:
    return

[rocky heath]

oooo whats that?

[surreal knot]

click the link to answer your question

[rocky heath]

i not relize that was a link 🤦‍♂️ 😭

[rocky heath]

Okay il test that

[rocky heath]

i assume you meant to have an if at the start of that?

[crisp jay]

Then you could do this

if self.mouse_position > self.rect_counter:
    ...
        else:
    ...

Or the logic of your code has a case for mouse_position being equal to rect_counter?

[rocky heath]

not something i need to worry about

[crisp jay]

Ok

[brittle bear]

Can yall give me some begginer python projects that will make me come back the next
Day to make upgrades or smthn

[rocky heath]

Hmm, still having some delay issues

[crisp jay]

What is this project?

[grim axle]

downloads folder sorter.

[rocky heath]

in lamens terms. a glorified calendar app. This rect is the events that the user adds to their calendar. and this feature i linked is what allows the user to expand the event/task/appointment etc to when it ends (like any other calendar app). so the delay happens when i try to expand it fast.

[crisp jay]

Recreate grep

[rocky heath]

i linked*

[crisp jay]

Maybe its doing alot of drawing?

[rocky heath]

https://bpa.st/43AQ i think its just "self.setRect(rect.x(), rect.y(), 223, rect.height() - 25)" thats doing any "drawing" feel free to look over the code if i missed something else that does.

[humble jungle]

Are you pulling the events off a queue or a stack

[rocky heath]

Im sorry, i dont know what that means

[copper yew]

.

[humble jungle]

Idk I remember this being a problem where the events were poped off and the order was reversed so it didnt resize correctly

[copper yew]

i dont now

what it mean

[rocky heath]

Okay....

[tulip cedar]

alright

[raw bramble]

How am I meant to install python on arch?
I used yay for it, but I just realised I don't have pip, and I kinda want to be able to just run .py's without having to say "python" at the start of them

[crisp jay]

pacman -S python

Run with sudo ofc

Oh you want to run without calling python

[granite wyvern]

Wouldn't you have python already installed?
You might find pip is an additional package - it is on Ubuntu.

If you want your scripts to be commands:

• make a directory for your personal commands (I use ~/bin)
• put your script in there without the .py extension
• make it readable and executable by you: chmod +rx your_script_path
• make sure the first line of your script is this shebang line: #!/usr/bin/env python

... and add $HOME/bin to your $PATH

[crisp jay]

Add a shebang in the start of your file like this #!/usr/bin/python

And make it executable

[raw bramble]

I do already have python installed, but when I used the python installation manager on windows, it did all of that for me, and I was wondering if there was some install manager for linux

[crisp jay]

Are u on Arch right?

[raw bramble]

yeah

[granite wyvern]

"it did all of that for me"
What was "all of that"?

[crisp jay]

Just use pacman

[raw bramble]

idk, it just let me use "py" instead of python for my apps 😭

[crisp jay]

Oh an alias

[granite wyvern]

On UNIX you don't even need the py

[crisp jay]

Are u using bash?

[restive pecan]

thinking about doing 1-2 leetcode problems daily from now on

[raw bramble]

kitty :3

[restive pecan]

maybe try some C++ for that too..

[raw bramble]

kitty because it sounds cute

[restive pecan]

some triton/CUDA and some math

[crisp jay]

Try out other sites too

[raw bramble]

if there was one called "bunny" I'd use that instead

[restive pecan]

should probably carve out 2 hours just to study on some stuff but i need it to be structured so i dont spend too long deciding what to study..

[restive pecan]

yeah maybe codeforces.. but probably best to do that once i have done more leetcode maybe

[granite wyvern]

Isn't kitty a terminal emulator?

[raw bramble]

yeah

[crisp jay]

Yea

Kinda slow tbh

[granite wyvern]

muda was asking about your shell, not the terminal emulator

[raw bramble]

Is there any significantly better alternative to kitty?

[crisp jay]

Welp it depends on what you are looking for

[granite wyvern]

It's been a while since my desktop was linux; I used to use urxvt but I gather things have moved on.

[hot totem]

Hi!

[raw bramble]

Hi!

[hot totem]

Very hi!

[craggy willow]

ghostty

and actually supports sixel

[crisp jay]

Would say Alacritty but idk if he likes images in terminal or not

[bold maple]

!resources

[edgy kraken]

Resources

The Resources page on our website contains a list of hand-selected learning resources that we regularly recommend to both beginners and experts.

[bold maple]

Aight lemme learn python fr

Where do I start

With 'Automate the Boring Stuff with Python' ?

[golden mortar]

• Automate the Boring Stuff is a really good book for complete beginners and it's free to read online.
• If you prefer to watch video tutorials Corey Schafer's playlist is also really good.
• I also recommend Harvard’s free online course CS50P: Introduction to Programming with Python.
• Python Programming MOOC 2026 is an alternative online course with lots of integrated practice problems you can do directly in the browser.

[granite wyvern]

Sixel's a minimum standard of care for me 🙂

[cerulean ravine]

i have a fondness for sixels

[manic flare]

.topic

[verbal wedge]

**What's your favorite Python related book?**

Suggest more topics here!

[manic flare]

Python Crash Course by Eric Matthes

Learned Python from it

[cerulean ravine]

dives into an OpenVMS rabbithole

[raw bramble]

How could you use Python to help with writing a book? 🤔

[cerulean ravine]

if the book includes content sourced from somewhere else (such as Python source code), you could use Python to combine the content to make the final book

I do something like this for blog posts, documentation, and presentations

[silver plover]

Now we just need a sixel based typesetting software to replace latex!

[raw bramble]

Hmm, I guess that’s a use case, it is pretty niche though

[cerulean ravine]

why do you ask about writing books?

[raw bramble]

I’ve just wanted to start writing, and I’m trying to find ways to tie it into things I already use/do

[crisp jay]

The Python docs

[raw bramble]

And the default for writing is writing books ig 🤷

[cerulean ravine]

what kind of writing will you do?

[cerulean ravine]

there are lots of other things to write. Books are a multi-year commitment. You might want smaller milestones

[kind thicket]

• Write a tool to help you organize your thoughts and organize the content of the book
• Something like asciidoc so you can generate html/pdf from the source of your book
• Stats about your vocabulary, overused words, opportunities for rephrasing, grammatical checks, etc.

[raw bramble]

Maybe some creative writing, maybe I’ll write about my interests and what I like about them and why, maybe my favourite types of bread, maybe complaining about media I think is so close to being amazing, but just falls short, I don’t really know

I just want to write :D

[cerulean ravine]

sounds like a blog

[raw bramble]

Writing stats would actually be great

[raw bramble]

I’ve thought about making a blog but I’m not skilled enough to write anything yet haha

Maybe one day

[kind thicket]

yeah, it can go quite far. Like which paragraph stands out with the shortest length, the most complicated sentences, etc.

[raw bramble]

And aside from tumblr, I don’t know the first thing about actually setting up a blog

[cerulean ravine]

you shouldn't pre-criticize yourself. Write something.

[kind thicket]

make your own static site generator

[raw bramble]

I could see such a tool being useful for obscuring the use of AI in writing (unethical btw)

[kind thicket]

you could

[mellow glacier]

Hello guys i'am new member, i start to learn python in the same time i am in the school 42 i know the C but i'm not expert, do you know good website for learn pls ? thanks you for your help

[kind thicket]

it's not because you could that you should

[raw bramble]

You could count how many times specific hints that something is made by AI is used, then compare that to the average amount that a regular person uses them

[kind thicket]

there are some papers about how you can identify someone based on their writing style

[silver plover]

Was just reading one about linking Reddit alt accounts

[kind thicket]

does it work?

[raw bramble]

I think if you’re going to use AI though, you really should just admit it and accept that some people (rightfully) don’t like their literature being mass produced by something that doesn’t think or feel

[mellow glacier]

thanks you so much

[cerulean ravine]

if you want to write, you wouldn't use AI to create the text.

[raw bramble]

All AI generated books are the most blatant cash grabs ever (imo)

[cerulean ravine]

I like writing. i have a goal of two blog posts a month. I write them and ask Claude to read them.

[cerulean ravine]

yes, exactly. We should talk about what you want to write.

[crisp jay]

Yes

[raw bramble]

I really want to talk about writing but I have a flight in like 7 hours and I haven’t slept at all 😭

Goodnight everyone :D

[silver plover]

https://dl.acm.org/doi/10.1145/3411564.3411616

Oh that's not it. That's Portuguese

[raw bramble]

I think that the best thing for me to do is to learn to give up on the idea of what "writing" is and isn't, and just start putting letters on pieces of paper or characters on LCD displays

[silver plover]

https://ojs.aaai.org/index.php/ICWSM/article/view/35920/38074 that's the one,

[hardy tendon]

what would be the best game engine for a game thats like the way you see is like this

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and its like story game and kinda like a text andventure right now im using visual studio code but i dont think i would be able to make the map thingy on anything that isnt the console so you cant really see it if you are playing it from like a website and its going to be hard to make the map thingy on a engine like godot so idk

[kind thicket]

thanks!

[kind thicket]

Thanks!

[cerulean ravine]

True story: decades ago, my wife said she wanted to be a writer, and she wondered what she should do. I said, "just write" and that surprised her. She has published four books.

[silver plover]

https://doi.org/10.1609/icwsm.v16i1.19359 is specifically Reddit, but I think it's same technique as that second link which was X to Foursquare

[golden mortar]

Maybe consider a career as a motivational speaker?

In the same vein as Shia LaBeouf

[silver plover]

Uh, have you been keeping up with news about Shia?

[golden mortar]

Nope

Just referencing an old... skit or whatever you'd call it

[sullen dust]

has he been charged or smth

[golden mortar]

Battery and alcoholism apparently

[sullen dust]

damn bro fell off hard

[hearty nacelle]

Anyone with knowledge of typer: I've defined a callback for common command options. I'd like to parse the same common options after the command. Anyone happen to know if that's possible without repeating the options everywhere?

[steel whale]

my keyboard thinks that the center is the J key kek

[cerulean ravine]

I try here 🙂

[steel whale]

so the rgb effects arent quite centered on my 60%

[golden mortar]

Same, same

[sullen dust]

atleast you got rgb i been running on a jedel k11 that cost me £5

[strong chasm]

Hello guys

[steel whale]

just get a k617 fizz

[strong chasm]

What's web scraping?

[steel whale]

sure there isnt much modding or openrgb support but it works

[steel whale]

getting information from a website

thru programs

[strong chasm]

What about hash function?

[steel whale]

in large quantities, or small ones

[crisp jay]

Ngl there should be a tag to hide blog websites when searching for something

[strong chasm]

What can it be used on?

[steel whale]

you do know what SHA is right?

[steel whale]

wdym?

[strong chasm]

A little yea

[strong chasm]

Like what can I do with those information I gather?

[sullen dust]

£40 😭 maybe its a worthable investment what do the keys sound like?

[cerulean ravine]

which hash function are you asking about?

[steel whale]

you can use it in your progam

[steel whale]

very clicky out of the box, i made it quiet thru a tape and foam mod

its easy to fix too, if the rgb breaks then just hold fn+esc for 3s and boom

fixed

same thing with the keys, and you can hotswap the switches

and it has navkeys thru fn

[crisp jay]

Whats the cheapest split mechanical keyboard?

[steel whale]

so when held, wasd is the arrow keys

[crisp jay]

60% ?

[strong chasm]

Sha 3

2

[steel whale]

yep

[steel whale]

you mean SHA-256?

[strong chasm]

Ye

[cerulean ravine]

those are ways to "fingerprint" data: different data will be very very very unlikely to produce the same hash value

[hearty nacelle]

SHA-256 is a SHA-2 algorithm, btw

[steel whale]

@strong chasm by fingerprinting data, ned means creating a kind of warranty seal in a way

[strong chasm]

So it's like a way to prove that you made it?

[steel whale]

with the hash, you can verify that the file you recieved isnt a different one by checking the output of the SHA-256 function on your new file and checking if it matches the one that the credible source has sent

[strong chasm]

What if it was different?

[steel whale]

no, more like a way to check if the data hasn't been tampered with

[golden mortar]

Then someone may have tampered with it

Like injecting malware

[steel whale]

the publisher's SHA-256 hash would be different from the file's

aka what dementati said

[strong chasm]

Ooooh

[steel whale]

lemme show you

[sullen dust]

but most people ignore it

[strong chasm]

So I should always check it before using it

[crisp jay]

Is there something that says "hey this file was made by me!"?

Like a signature

[hearty nacelle]

The hashsums are built such that minor changes to data (even a single bit) considerably changes the hash sum.

[golden mortar]

Yes, digital signatures are a thing.

[sullen dust]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_signature

[steel whale]

i dont have a lot of knowledge about digital signatures, but yes

[steel whale]

yes, a cheap way

[strong chasm]

So it's a way to show the authenticity of a software?

[gleaming knoll]

git gpg commit signing

[crisp jay]

Pgp

[golden mortar]

It's a way to prove the authenticity of any kind of information.

[hearty nacelle]

Hashsum is about integrity. You can verify that the file is intact. It does not tell you about anything about who made this. But if you combine it with encryption (using private and public key), the hashsums can be used to authenticate that the message can only originate from the ones with the keys.

[steel whale]

~/demo> cat original.txt
original code
~/demo> cat original.txt | hash sha256
ad431af6ea495661e7ef50ecec3257b417152f5389d3bd25ed70e1bea94afb9b
~/demo> cat evil.txt
evil code
~/demo> cat evil.txt | hash sha256
9ab9eab0ebde187863cdc46e9fd45a486503150907797393b2220f02d5c65256
~/demo> { cat original.txt | hash sha256 } == { cat evil.txt | hash sha256 }
false```

heres a demo

[strong chasm]

Ooh ok I think I understand a little

[strong chasm]

Btw what do you use to create these?

[steel whale]

your shell can create them

[strong chasm]

Ah ok

[cerulean ravine]

what are "these"?

[steel whale]

if youve got powershell i think it's Generate-FileHash or something like that

[crisp jay]

The only problem with powershell is verbosity

[steel whale]

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/powershell/module/microsoft.powershell.utility/get-filehash?view=powershell-7.5

[crisp jay]

I kinda like that they use curly brackets

[strong chasm]

I just started learning about hash and web scraping so I refer to them as "these"

[steel whale]

Get-FileHash path-to-file

[strong chasm]

Thank you guys

[granite wyvern]

Also, you can get Python to create them. See the hashlib module.

!doc hashlib

[edgy kraken]

hashlib

Source code: Lib/hashlib.py

This module implements a common interface to many different hash algorithms. Included are the FIPS secure hash algorithms SHA224, SHA256, SHA384, SHA512, (defined in the FIPS 180-4 standard), the SHA-3 series (defined in the FIPS 202 standard) as well as the legacy algorithms SHA1 (formerly part of FIPS) and the MD5 algorithm (defined in internet RFC 1321)...

[crisp jay]

SHA0 💀

[granite wyvern]

Example:

[~/tmp/disco/zuzu]fleet2*> L
total 8
drwxrwxr-x@  4 cameron  staff   128  8 Mar 08:07 .
drwxrwxr-x@ 67 cameron  staff  2144  8 Mar 08:03 ..
-rw-rw-r--@  1 cameron  staff   874  8 Mar 08:07 2d.py
-rw-rw-r--@  1 cameron  staff   453  8 Mar 08:10 2d2.py
[~/tmp/disco/zuzu]fleet2*> hashindex ls
blake3:75c38e97a1e718f56585504eba48578d115f4fcf204c7c990d4ce455b4cd400d ./2d.py
blake3:ae26d2a7cdb05aed89d5ba37eaed89a5d2401612bf7caf3a00b29ca8dd07fc5f ./2d2.py

The hashindex programme is a python script of mine, which reads and computes file content hashes.

[autumn pelican]

Its also how passwords should be stored

You just see if hashed(users_password_input) == the existing hashed password and if so then it's the right password

[crisp jay]

password-store mentioned?

[tardy flax]

questoin, i was looking at the bots this server has, are the bots names reference to monty python and the holy grail or is it just medieval themed?

[autumn pelican]

Monty python probably

The language was named after it after all

[hardy rose]

does any human deserve to live

[autumn pelican]

??

[tardy flax]

bro is going thru existentialism

[cerulean ravine]

1. yes, 2) this is off-topic, 3) I hope your day gets better

[golden mortar]

Yep

[tardy flax]

no rabbit of Caerbannog bot :c (edit had to fix the name, too long and i dont remember it well)

[golden mortar]

We still have quite a few knights left

[tardy flax]

its one of my fave movies so just curious lol

[golden mortar]

It is a fantastic movie

[raw bramble]

Rabbit? Like bunnies??

[golden mortar]

With nasty big pointy teeth

[crisp jay]

Lil bro u are 11 yrs old

[tardy flax]

and fangs

[raw bramble]

All the better to eat hay with :P

[raw bramble]

😭 what, no I just love bunnies

Oh wait are you talking Monty Python haha

[crisp jay]

Talking to blud saying "do humans deserve to live"

[raw bramble]

? I don’t understand

[tardy flax]

it was said its off topic and probably not a good idea to keep up that chat

[crisp jay]

Scroll up

[tardy flax]

just move on and forget it tbh

[crisp jay]

Try competitive programming

[raw bramble]

Oh 😭, yeah because Python has to be written by someone, and I know the snakes aren’t gonna do it themselves

[crisp jay]

Its like olympics for programming

[tame hinge]

Humans deserve to live because we invented python

[crisp jay]

@raw bramble

[raw bramble]

Yeah I saw

[crisp jay]

Some of them are like this

[cerulean ravine]

i would not recommend competitive programming

[hardy rose]

I am 40 years old

[crisp jay]

But mostly is a series of questions,going from easy to hard,that involves alot of things

[cerulean ravine]

because it not like actual programming, and won't build skills that help with actual programming

[raw bramble]

Sorta, ComPro (I’m not using the acronym leave me alone) is just lots of logic puzzles or math problems they need to solve, and it’s judged on how many they complete, how fast they complete and it often other factors like memory usage or execution time and things

[crisp jay]

Wont build skills?

[cerulean ravine]

".. that help with actual programming"

[raw bramble]

It’ll build skills, but they’re not skills you’d ever really need unless you’re working for the strictest company ever who gives you 2min deadlines for projects

[granite wyvern]

I went to a programming competition once. Mainly seemed to demonstration that a group is slower than an individual.

[golden mortar]

I mean, compprog can be fun, you can do it for fun, and it's not completely unrelated to real programming, but it's not an effective method of learning software development

[crisp jay]

True

[harsh swallow]

The only thing the comp prog helps with is that you actually have to sit down and plan your program on paper.
So many people just jump to writing code - both in basic comp prog and when trying to make their own projects - but it's great to at least spend bit of time to plan

[cerulean ravine]

if you want to go fast, go alone. if you want to go far, go together.

[raw bramble]

Planning is a difficult skill to learn though

[granite wyvern]

Aye, because when the food runs out you can eat your companions.

[raw bramble]

I’ve started spending some time just commenting out the steps of my code before I make it

[golden mortar]

My impression is that you can do better as a group, but you need to be super coordinated, you can't just wing it

[raw bramble]

You’d need to be close to a hive-mind though to achieve that

[golden mortar]

More like, you need a strategy for how you distribute tasks and solve problems

[raw bramble]

Being able to program is a start

[hardy rose]

well, this is what software development practices aim to address; like the uncle bob, martin fowler, gang of four stuff. etc.

[crisp jay]

Its more on the CS part about math,dsa and more

[golden mortar]

You probably won't have much fun if you don't have decent general programming experience

There's a lot of DSA involved as well

[raw bramble]

It really depends on the difficult of the challenge you are given

[golden mortar]

No

[crisp jay]

Man I remember going to the finals but i didnt study DSA and I got fucked up

[golden mortar]

A hackathon is an event where you build a prototype of some project idea in a short amount of time, typically 24-74 hours.

It doesn't have to be in a group, and it doesn't have to be a competition.

[gleaming knoll]

you are saying that as if life is something that needs to be "deserved" rather than just a process of transfering matter and energy back and forth
life just happens, humans are one of the forms of it

[golden mortar]

Yes, I agree.

[hardy rose]

humans have self awareness on top of that

[crisp jay]

Yeah

[pallid garden]

it is

[golden mortar]

They may be asking for your subjective opinion rather than appealing to some objective standard.

[cerulean ravine]

i thought it was a rhetorical question, but answered it anyway

[golden mortar]

Taking rhetorical questions at face value is one of my favorite pastimes.

[hardy rose]

yeah, to be honest you are probably right because i guess it is obvious to any self aware human that the answer must be no

[crisp jay]

An egoistic one would say that

[cerulean ravine]

usually what people consider obvious is not obvious.

[cerulean ravine]

but also: are you ok? and this should be moved to off-topic.

[hardy rose]

as opposed to non-egoistic humans?

[cerulean ravine]

!ot

[edgy kraken]

Off-topic channel

#ot2-never-nester’s-nightmare

Please read our off-topic etiquette before participating in conversations.

[harsh swallow]

I don't mean planning every single detail, but a lot of people don't even stop to think for a moment how to do something a smart way, they do it the bruteforce way and then come to #1035199133436354600 and ask why their program gives correct results but times out with the checker... Or just make their own project and do a needless recursion instead of a loop (some people's program menus are like that - rerun the menu function instead of looping...). Or they just write a lot of code and then don't really know what they wanted to do...

[gleaming knoll]

proof that all non-egoistic humans can fly by vacuous truth

[tame hinge]

But you can do it a smart way without a lot of planning, write the simplest code to get the minimum thing working, then see if you like it, try to imagine how understandable it is to other people, or if you had to come back to it, how it could be simpler, is it fast enough? Can I easily change specific parts later? Maybe this could go into a function and i can optimize that easily if I need to while keeping the overall flow clean.

If you learn something in the process you can even scrap it and start over and sort of naturally and casually end up on a better plan.

[crisp jay]

You could learn about UML (or other ones) diagrams to have a better visualization of what you want to build

[steel whale]

mermaid >

[tame hinge]

Tests as specifications >

[gleaming knoll]

scribble whatever you want on paper as long as it gets the point across >

[steel whale]

this is arguably way better

[tame hinge]

Yea leagues better or just make some flow in text that gets the point across. Whatever naturally communicates it to whoever you're making something for or working with.

[raw bramble]

The smart way is to just make it as fast as you can, then get better hardware if it’s slow, duhh

Code should NEVER be optimised

[crisp jay]

Are u sure?

[gleaming knoll]

the "duhh" in the previous message indicates that they are very sure. very non-sarcastic. no sarcasm detected.

[rare gazelle]

i think lambdb is going to agree with you

[tame hinge]

As fast as you can is subjective though. Do I go for every micro optimization? What if I'm new? Do I exert all my effort on making it as fast as possible before I've even figured anything out? How am I measuring this?

[crisp jay]

Optimize when you are in need for it

Dont go for things you dont need

[rare gazelle]

his name is esoteric

of course he's bbeing sarcastic

[tame hinge]

I can't tell with people sometimes ngl 😭

[gleaming knoll]

i myself have troubles with understanding people in general so this is relatable

[rare gazelle]

i feel bad for you man, i fall for these as well

[raw bramble]

Learn Canary rather than qwerty, use Vim keybinds. Full line code completion. Anything to make you faster.

[rare gazelle]

😔

[crisp jay]

Sarcasm on text is hard to spot

[raw bramble]

Become a professional stenographer, just make sure your typing speed is as high as possible and your code works in a way that’s the least effort for you

[gleaming knoll]

do stenography keyboards have normal keys for digits and special chars like punctuation
or they are chorded too

[crisp jay]

The vim keybinds are right

Vim motions is goated

[raw bramble]

I don’t know, I want to learn stenography so I should probably look into that

It’s a really good question 🤔🤔🤔

Seriously, learn Vim, maybe learn a different keyboard layout like Colemak-DH or DVORAK,m

[gleaming knoll]

vim motions make text editing interesting

sometimes i stop to think about what the cool vim way to do something would be

[crisp jay]

Scientists should bring vim into human mind

[gleaming knoll]

i recently reversed some lines by doing :!tac
that was fun

[raw bramble]

I get annoyed at vim for my computer not having vim buttons instead of the regular keyboard buttons, but I get annoyed at typing in things because it’s so much effort to type without vim

where’s dW when you need it?

[crisp jay]

Vim is so good that I hate using editors of other software like Godot editor

[lilac grove]

vim or nvim ?

[raw bramble]

I think there’s a Vim plugin for Godot?

[crisp jay]

Nvim

[crisp jay]

Yes

[gleaming knoll]

https://godotengine.org/asset-library/asset/4668 even

[raw bramble]

Neovim just because I like its name more and its icon. I don’t use any of the Neovim features but it’s just cooler

[stray field]

Vim keybinds for the Godot?

[raw bramble]

Yeah, you can even get neovim in goody I think

[lilac grove]

i use lazy vim

i like it

[raw bramble]

Yes, yes you can

[crisp jay]

Solid choice

[lilac grove]

im thinking about using nano (jk)

[wet fox]

i used nano for years before vim

[lilac grove]

tbh i hate it

[raw bramble]

I don’t know how I’m supposed to learn vim, but the few keybinds I know are super useful

[stray field]

I know 3 ways to exit vim

[crisp jay]

I stopped using it bc it was being slow and too many features that I didnt use

[wet fox]

its funny i have a muscle memory to type nano file.py but then im used to vim keybindings so i just destroy the file with random characters

[gleaming knoll]

alias nano="vim"

[stray field]

The best way to learn vim is to have someone else watch you struggle

[lilac grove]

:qall

[wet fox]

god send, doing this

[stray field]

export EDITOR=vim

[raw bramble]

Is there some actual vim tutorial practice thing like keybr or typemonkey?

[wet fox]

bahaha it works i love it

[lilac grove]

i have alias print ="echo"

[stray field]

Vim tutor, yeah

Comes with vim

[crisp jay]

Why not using printf

[wet fox]

theres also an adventure game for vim

[raw bramble]

Vim tutor is more of a walkthrough than a practice though

[lilac grove]

i code with python

[stray field]

Printf is a shell builtin

[lilac grove]

rly ?

[stray field]

And so is echo

[lilac grove]

idk tbh i can use echo but i made this as fun cmd only

[gleaming knoll]

printf(1), that is
printf(3) is a libc function in stdio.h

[crisp jay]

This remembered me that I "recreated" grep in c++

[stray field]

We need a !man command

[lilac grove]

reinvent the wheel

[wet fox]

bruh watching guido present rn and he made all the question askers women! pretty cool feminist

[crisp jay]

How python have integration with C/C++ code?

[lilac grove]

what u mean ?

use cython

u mean that ?

[gleaming knoll]

the object model is flexible enough to represent arbitrary type layouts (just need the right header at the start, refcount and type pointer) and there are code paths to call arbitrary function pointers

[crisp jay]

Like in numpy,where the arrays is like from C iirc

[lilac grove]

numpy use cython

[granite wyvern]

I used to make a practice of learnign a new keystroke every day - make a point of using the new one that day where possible.

[coarse salmon]

Best practice is to use it in your projects

I tried and gave up since I was too unproductive lol

[gleaming knoll]

ultimately there is nothing special about C/C++ code except the fact that the normal compilers for it use a well known calling convention
you can interface with any executables

[crisp jay]

The problem:
Finding an idea for a project

[lilac grove]

it's easy

[coarse salmon]

Lol don’t make a project just to learn vim

You should always have a side project that you passively work on, best way to improve

[granite wyvern]

Unless the project is to implement vim.

[coarse salmon]

True

[lilac grove]

repo name : vim learning

[crisp jay]

Python library for neovim

[gleaming knoll]

https://github.com/neovim/pynvim

[lilac grove]

or you can start with vs code with vim extension

[crisp jay]

No way

[gleaming knoll]

stuff like libffi is fun
it does the things compilers do at compile-time, but at runtime

[crisp jay]

Making a smart compiler for C would be cool

[gleaming knoll]

what do you mean by "smart compiler"?

are the existing compilers stupid?

hello fix

happy 8 march 🥀

[spice hill]

$ gcc
* compiler error *
$ sudo gcc
You're absolutley right! The code is actually valid. Here's what I'm going to do to make it compile...

[crisp jay]

Like finding patterns and optimizing it,finding errors (like heap pointers not being freed or things like it)

[gleaming knoll]

oh you just mean like doing it yourself as an experience

yeah its a fun task

[silver plover]

This made me cry a little

[gleaming knoll]

ai compilers 😭

[raw bramble]

compiler, make no mistakrs and make it fast, fix all bugs

[golden plank]

Trying to understand memory management. I now have more questions than answers lol

Know of any good resources?

[gleaming knoll]

i dont have resources, but i have a tip : dont think that it is more complicated than it is.

[silver plover]

And maybe ask the questions

[prime sorrel]

you're not serious are you, AI compilers? 😐

[opal gull]

llms can probably produce correct assembly for simple stuff

just dont expect it to be... smart

[pallid garden]

cant wait

tragedy in slow motion

[gleaming knoll]

ML is useful for heuristics in compilers though
but yeah making the actual compilation process AI driven is insanity

[pallid garden]

good luck certifying a stochastic process

[frail scaffold]

How long does it take for you to forget to write code?

[pallid garden]

6 hours

[frail scaffold]

I havent programmed in a while because of freaking school😭

[frail scaffold]

Why so short

[pallid garden]

it certainly feels like 6 hours

[tame hinge]

If you're new probably a month or two

[frail scaffold]

ooh yeah

[frail scaffold]

How?

[finite rose]

Elite skills require daily practice to maintain

[pallid garden]

i feel like i have lost all ability to code in the morning

[finite rose]

Just like an athlete

[frail scaffold]

I will probably take a gap year after high school to develop my programming skills

[gleaming knoll]

i forget certain specific things like some stdlib functions, but not the gist of it
programming (computer science) concepts are still in the head

[pallid garden]

NO

dont

[frail scaffold]

Yes why not

[frail scaffold]

why

[timid ember]

"Gcc:/usr/programs/gpt.exe"

[pallid garden]

you cant brute force learning programming

[frail scaffold]

Yeah probably

[pallid garden]

trying to program continuously for a year is not going to help

[timid ember]

💔💔

[pallid garden]

you should try to pack in programming after school work

[frail scaffold]

Not exactly brute force it

[timid ember]

What happened to time management

[pallid garden]

it's built up slowly over a long period of time

[frail scaffold]

Whats app

[timid ember]

You dont need to learn fulltime

[pallid garden]

join a programming club or something

[frail scaffold]

Yeah but l am entering medicine school and probably wont be enough time to program on the side

[pallid garden]

put in maybe 3-4 hours a week

[frail scaffold]

Yeah l know

[pallid garden]

you are already guaranteed a place?

[frail scaffold]

Yeah but like building projects is very unpredicatble

[frail scaffold]

Not really working towards there though

[timid ember]

💔

[pallid garden]

it's best you dont take things as guaranteed

[frail scaffold]

Yeah

[crisp jay]

Oh yea I can see

[frail scaffold]

Now l am thinking about it your kinda right

[crisp jay]

Do medicine students have a social life?

[timid ember]

Dont you need a bachelors before you can enter medical school?

[frail scaffold]

Yeah like 4 years of something l see

[frail scaffold]

I dont even know though both my parents went to medicine school

[timid ember]

Dude you can have hobbies while still studying fulltime

[blazing citrus]

hi everyone

[frail scaffold]

Yeah for real to think about it

[timid ember]

You dont need to take a gap year to practice a hobby

[crisp jay]

Dont you need to study like 14 hours?

[timid ember]

idk

depends what bsc you choose and your time management skills

yo PLEASE learn effective time management bros💔🙏😭literally the most important thing

[crisp jay]

I cant vro 🥀

[timid ember]

.topic

[verbal wedge]

**What is your favorite Python package?**

Suggest more topics here!

[charred tusk]

!pypi imsosorry

[edgy kraken]

imsosorry v1.3.0

Sometimes it can be necessary to call upon the ancient arts...

Released on <t:1739593163:D>.

[charred tusk]

Like this server, but in person

[pallid garden]

it's good to have 3-4 hours that is reserved just for programming every week

programming skills is built up over time

[crisp jay]

!pypi selenium

[edgy kraken]

selenium v4.41.0

Official Python bindings for Selenium WebDriver

Released on <t:1771558926:D>.

[pallid garden]

not 1 year of full time cramming

[raw bramble]

Those exist?

[pallid garden]

yea thats how i got started

though i guess the effectiveness differs between people

[crisp jay]

In my school there is one for game jam

[pallid garden]

your school?

[raw bramble]

I’ve not met someone my age who can program 😭🙏

[charred tusk]

(Whats your age bracket?)

[crisp jay]

Idk how to explain it bc idk if any other education systems has the same thing in my country

[raw bramble]

I mean in person

And it’s weird because I do Cybersec

[pallid garden]

the schools here all have some programming related club

[crisp jay]

In my school there is compprog, robotics,AI (all of them for olympics)

[pallid garden]

damn

just pick one of them

wdym

[timid ember]

How old r u?

[hardy rose]

if people can hate for no reason i can love for no reason

[timid ember]

❤️‍🩹

Unc

jk

you can probably find some kind of stem club in your local library

[pallid garden]

isnt all love for no reasons

if you already graduated then you can just program full time

[timid ember]

They might be slow tho

Study and get your certificate equivalency

if you dont have a diploma

[charred tusk]

👴

[timid ember]

Local libraries also have programs for things similar to that (at least where i live)

[pallid garden]

i'll be honest, as much as i would love to help, i don't have enough context about your background and situation for me to give you a prudent recommendation

and i dont have enough knowledge (or wisdom) to suggest anything either

[silver plover]

Also, look for Python users groups and meetups

[charred tusk]

Groups

Of users

[timid ember]

Irl users

[silver plover]

Meetups are less formal

[gleaming knoll]

in my head meetups are also more about interaction between many people while conferences have speakers and listeners

or maybe thats just my bias because i only watch conference talks, not the whole conferences
i dont actually know what either words mean

[humble jungle]

Has anyone heard of obj to ascii project?

[pallid garden]

object to ascii?

[humble jungle]

Yeah .obj model files to ascii

[pallid garden]

how does that work?

3d ascii?

[humble jungle]

Yeah

Well it renders to an ascii buffer

Where i think each character is a pixel but I might be wrong

[pallid garden]

a 2d projection of a 3d model, rendered in ascii?

[humble jungle]

Yeah

[gleaming knoll]

everything rendered on a monitor is a 2d projection

also https://www.a1k0n.net/2011/07/20/donut-math.html

[cerulean ravine]

Conference are also a lot about interactions with people. Some people go to them (PyCon for example) and don't watch any talks live.

[pallid garden]

you could represent the 3d model in like multiple layers in a file

[granite wyvern]

" " the low res no model
"." the low res model from a distance

[gleaming knoll]

me when the polygon triangulation

[humble jungle]

https://github.com/Vaxeral/sneeze/tree/main
I am trying to recreate it except with raytracing

[pallid garden]

speaking of ascii art

i found this https://asciiflow.com

[granite wyvern]

Aye. I looks very cool.

[pallid garden]

 ┌────────────┐               ┌────────────┐                
 │            ├─┬────Files────►            │                
 │ API Client │ │             │ Ingress S3 │                
 │            ├─┼──┐          │            │                
 └──────▲─────┘ │  │          └──┬────┬────┘                
        │       │  │             │    │                     
        │       │  │           Files  │                     
        │       │  │          Created │     ┌──────────────┐
        │       │  │             │    │     │ Unstructured │
        │       │  │           ┌─▼─┐  │     │     Data     │
        │       │  │ Presigned │SNS│Files ┌─►   Database   │
        ├───────┼──┼───URLs──┐ └─┬─┘  │   │ └──────────────┘
        │       │  │    +    │   │    │   │                 
   ┌────▼─────┐ │  │   Data  │┌──▼────▼─┐ │ ┌──────────────┐
   │          ├─┘  │         └┤         ◄─┘ │  Structured  │
   │ Frontend │    │          │ Backend ◄───►     Data     │
   │          ├────┴Requests──►         │   │   Database   │
   └──────────┘               └─────────┘   └──────────────┘
```you can make diagrams like this

[gleaming knoll]

and put that into a docstring to make people suffer

[granite wyvern]

Ah that's a better arrow glyph than I've been using.

[humble jungle]

The rendering for that is off

[granite wyvern]

Works in a wide window.

[pallid garden]

it's still a little off, but i think it's good enough

[humble jungle]

Yeah I meant what i see on mobile on the site

I see it in discord though

Like the characters themselves dont line up top to bottom

But im on mobile so it doesnt matter

[spice hill]

where ASCII?

[pallid garden]

not enough ascii

[granite wyvern]

My hacks in this direction have this module docstring opening:
"Utilities to assist with ASCII art such as railroad diagrams; since these use Unicode box drawing characters and are better for diagrams such as railroad diagrams, this is neither ASCII nor art."

Though I added an optional ascii=True option which falls back to stuff like + and - and |

[gleaming knoll]

as far as i understand the basic way is to use characters with different "density" to represent grayscale intensity
is like 0, . is a small symbol, # covers much more
text in terminals is usually white on black background, and your brain will kinda average out the density of the white text in characters and see the image
making it represent the shape good is more complicated though

[silver plover]

I bookmarked this recently, related https://alexharri.com/blog/ascii-rendering

[granite wyvern]

Except when it's black on white, or green on black, or ...

[whole mango]

Mola

[gleaming knoll]

ooh this is such a high quality article

i love the internet for that

[crisp jay]

Ascii rendering is probably the coolest thing ever

Like how you make letter be so similar to things that arent letters

[humble jungle]

Did you get my program to run?

You can make vertices rotate and it looks really cool

Just got to know a lil math.

[whole mango]

How does this bot works?

@silver plover

[silver plover]

What?

[whole mango]

How does the bot work?

[silver plover]

What bot?

[whole mango]

Python?

[viral solar]

The snake?

[shrewd lance]

Does mypy scream at me if I illiterate over a dict but forgot to put .items()

[cerulean ravine]

you mean iterate, and it's ok to do for k in a_dict:

though it might not do what you want: it gives you the keys

[shrewd lance]

For k, v in dict:

[cerulean ravine]

that doesn't do what you want.

[cerulean ravine]

you want: for k, v in dict.items():

[shrewd lance]

Yeah, will mypy scream at me if i forgot .items() ?

[cerulean ravine]

maybe not, but it will fail at runtime in a few different ways

[shrewd lance]

Is using freethreading python good for cpu bound tasks?

[harsh anchor]

potentially

[gleaming knoll]

destructured assignment to a sequence of targets like k, v requires the value to be iterable
dict's are iterable over their key type
so, it will type error if the dict's key type is not an iterable type, but pass otherwise
though, if the usage of k and v dont follow the types that you get from iteration - you will get errors in their usage

[craggy trench]

usually for k, v in dict_: means the keys to dict_ is a tuple pair

[cerulean ravine]

usually it means you forgot .items(), especially with those names

[craggy trench]

but it's mostly in the form of something like x, y or i, j

yeah

those names are a big indicator of a forgotten .items()

[gleaming knoll]

name driven static analysis

[craggy trench]

applying the unwritten conventions of programming

[vale wasp]

It should be a lint warning for k, v in dict: but it's theoretically reasonable so you wouldn't want to error and block

[harsh anchor]

the typechecker will catch it

[vale wasp]

Type checker wouldn't catch it.

[harsh anchor]

why?

[gleaming knoll]

keys are often strings, which are Iterable[str], so it would do k: str, v: str

[vale wasp]

Because it's an iterable so you can do that. Having a key that can be unpacked is a possibility. I often do grids in dictionaries with the keys being the x, y coordinates.

[harsh anchor]

sure. it'll catch some of the cases

[cerulean ravine]

>>> for k, v in {"xy": 1}:
...   print(k, v)
...
x y

[vale wasp]

It might but I tend to doubt it. It's more suited to a linter as a warning because there are times when you do want to unpack the key.

[harsh anchor]

what do you mean "it might"

[runic flower]

ruff seems fine with it. =/
feels like something that should at least generate an "are you sure"

[vale wasp]

It depends on how well defined the dict is for the type checker. It also depends on whether the key is an Iterable that could be unpacked. If the key is a str, which is probably the most common type to use for a dictionary key, it wouldn't catch it because it's valid code.

[harsh anchor]

yeah, it catches some of the cases

[vale wasp]

The only place you could catch it is with a linter. I didn't say that there are any that would.

[harsh anchor]

also: yet another instance of string being iterable causing problems

[runic flower]

/nod

[vale wasp]

If you have d: dict[int, str] it would.

[harsh anchor]

that would be one of the cases, yes

[gleaming knoll]

unpacking iterables of unknown element sizes in a for loop is definitely a lint to consider
its somewhat fine in a single case because its not unreasonable to expect someone to be able to derive that the size is that exact value from some other information
but expect the whole thing to be it? thats too much

[vale wasp]

But the most common is d: dict = {} or d: dict[str, Any] = {} and it wouldn't in either of those.

[gleaming knoll]

vibes based static analysis

[harsh anchor]

those would not be included in the cases. also, i would agree that string keys are the most common, but i think in many cases there is information able to be inferred about the dict

[vale wasp]

For my Grid I define d: dict[tuple[int, int]: str so that wouldn't be caught by a type checker although it would probably cause a RuntimeError because I wouldn't have the expected value.

[jagged belfry]

The python type system is insufficiently detailed to handle fixed-length iterables

Your type checker may or may not read through that and infer what it can from the actual code

It would be nice to be able to type that deeply into program behavior, but things are messy enough as it is tbh

This particular case doesn't feel too bad as a type checker extension: when do you actualyl want to unpack a dictionary key in a loop? pretty much never

[vale wasp]

I might if the key is a tuple such as grid coordinates. But I'm more likely to do for (x, y), v in d.items() in that case.

[silver plover]

Or just a lint rule requiring keys, values, or items.

[gleaming knoll]

i thought about special casing something like __iter__ -> tuple_iterator[*Ts]
but idk

[jagged belfry]

The difference between iterable and unpackable raises it's head

although unpacking lists and stuff has similar caveats

Maybe just a lint for unpacking strings?

very rare to want to do that

[vale wasp]

!zen 5

[edgy kraken]

The Zen of Python (line 5):

Sparse is better than dense.

[vale wasp]

!zen 6

[edgy kraken]

The Zen of Python (line 6):

Readability counts.

[vale wasp]

!zen 4

[edgy kraken]

The Zen of Python (line 4):

Flat is better than nested.

[vale wasp]

!zen

[edgy kraken]

The Zen of Python, by Tim Peters

Beautiful is better than ugly.
Explicit is better than implicit.
Simple is better than complex.
Complex is better than complicated.
Flat is better than nested.
Sparse is better than dense.
Readability counts.
Special cases aren't special enough to break the rules.
Although practicality beats purity.
Errors should never pass silently.
Unless explicitly silenced.
In the face of ambiguity, refuse the temptation to guess.
There should be one-- and preferably only one --obvious way to do it.
Although that way may not be obvious at first unless you're Dutch.
Now is better than never.
Although never is often better than right now.
If the implementation is hard to explain, it's a bad idea.
If the implementation is easy to explain, it may be a good idea.
Namespaces are one honking great idea -- let's do more of those!

[vale wasp]

I need to remember it's line 2.

.topic

[verbal wedge]

**Is Python your first programming language? If not, what is it?**

Suggest more topics here!

[vale wasp]

BASIC on a Commodore-64

[crisp jay]

C#

[craggy trench]

roblox luau

[shrewd lance]

How do i do multi threading on pyrhon?

[vale wasp]

That depends on what you want to do.

[jagged belfry]

perl, technically

[vale wasp]

I'm sorry.

[manic flare]

BASIC, technically

[vale wasp]

Technically?

[jagged belfry]

multithreading for concurrency: asyncio
multithreading for nonblocking: threading
multithreading for isolation: concurrency.interpreters
multithreading for performance: multiprocessing

Python doesn't have the classic multithread model of other languages due to a variety of data-safety guarantees it provides that they don't. What "threads" in java do are somewhere between threading and multiprocessing

[manic flare]

I learned Python the next year and was never serious in it

[zealous lion]

I have a PEP draft i'd appreciate feedback on. I don't know whether i'll actually publish this yet so feel free to leave some opinions

[charred tusk]

is it that bad?

Are we up to 9999 already?

I uh... I actually thought this was already a thing

[zealous lion]

I didn't want to assign it a number because again, not sure whether i'll publish it

that's a good sign, lol. that means it's intuitive

[charred tusk]

I know I've used...
I think I'm thinking of async with

[zealous lion]

yeah, adding to the collection of async-prefixed things

[jagged belfry]

I think yield from should be forbidden in async generators and permitting async yield from to be used with sync generators inside async generators

[zealous lion]

why?

[vale wasp]

The abstract doesn't explain what the PEP is about. It starts, "This would be valid with this PEP...". I think you need to add a paragraph or two about what the change is to the abstract ahead of that.

[jagged belfry]

Because having both available is somewhat confusing and prone to footguns. The only time you'd want to yield from in an async generator is when you have a sync generator that's "not blocking" whatever that means, but that's a semantic detail. async yield from transmuting to an async yield makes a lot more sense because yield from is already suspending execution and that matches gaining an async or await tag to indicate it is in fact such a break in execution

[vale wasp]

Additionally, this design flaw has come up on StackOverflow.

I would say "design decision", not "design flaw". Your audience is full of people who made that decision, don't offend them.

[jagged belfry]

I can see a lot of cases where someone accidentally yield from's when they're supposed to async yield from and doens't realize it, and IIRC current tasks let you do that..

I might be wrong

[zealous lion]

I mean, async for doesn't work with synchronous iterators. to my knowledge, there's no existing construct that works on both sync + async. I think it'll be a hard sell here.

[jagged belfry]

!e ```py
import asyncio

async def a(n=1):
if n == 4:
return
await a(n=n+1)

async def main():
for i in a():
print(i)

asyncio.run(a())

[craggy willow]

don't think i've seen a coroutine with yield in it in a long time

[edgy kraken]

:warning: Your 3.14 eval job has completed with return code 0.

[No output]

[jagged belfry]

This is the problem

[jagged belfry]

Honestly, maybe it should, but the circumstances are a bit different because a for loop is a for loop not a suspension mechanism

[zealous lion]

not disagreeing, but I think that's beyond the scope of this proposal. this seems like a more fundamental issue with async, rather than yield from

[vale wasp]

I don't see the benefit of async yield from. I do see the benefit of allowing async functions to yield from synchronous generators though.

[jagged belfry]

That's valid, but the problem is permitting yield from in an async generator leads to ambiguity/footguns where you can yield from any coroutine to strange results

!e ```py
import asyncio

async def a(n=1):
if n == 4:
return
await a(n=n+1)

def main():
yield from a()

print(*main())

[edgy kraken]

:x: Your 3.14 eval job has completed with return code 1.

001 | /home/main.py:10: RuntimeWarning: coroutine 'a' was never awaited
002 |   yield from a()
003 | RuntimeWarning: Enable tracemalloc to get the object allocation traceback
004 | Traceback (most recent call last):
005 |   File "/home/main.py", line 12, in <module>
006 |     print(*main())
007 |     ~~~~~^^^^^^^^^
008 |   File "/home/main.py", line 10, in main
009 |     yield from a()
010 | TypeError: cannot 'yield from' a coroutine object in a non-coroutine generator

[jagged belfry]

Interesting.

[zealous lion]

I don't think it'll let you yield from a coroutine. values yielded from an async generator are wrapped in a special sentinel object.

[zealous lion]

hm, why not? there are plenty of reasons you might want to do that

[jagged belfry]

https://github.com/cython/cython/issues/6614 this might also be worth looking at, although idk if it's relevant

[shrewd lance]

Can i string filters in python to geter without forcing them to materialise first?

[zealous lion]

I think that's just cython having different semantics

[vale wasp]

Such as? And could those be written as synchronous generators?

[jagged belfry]

Looking into the source, it doesn't let you yield from a standard python coroutine, but it works with anything coroutine-like

[vale wasp]

I'm also not 100% sure there are no security implications here, FWIW.

[zealous lion]

for example, if you were delegating an HTTP response:

async def make_request():
    async with http_request("https://whatever.com", settings=...) as res:
        async yield from res.content()

[jagged belfry]

inst(GET_YIELD_FROM_ITER, (iterable -- iter)) {
            /* before: [obj]; after [getiter(obj)] */
            PyObject *iterable_o = PyStackRef_AsPyObjectBorrow(iterable);
            if (PyCoro_CheckExact(iterable_o)) {
                /* `iterable` is a coroutine */
                if (!(_PyFrame_GetCode(frame)->co_flags & (CO_COROUTINE | CO_ITERABLE_COROUTINE))) {
                    /* and it is used in a 'yield from' expression of a
                       regular generator. */
                    _PyErr_SetString(tstate, PyExc_TypeError,
                                     "cannot 'yield from' a coroutine object "
                                     "in a non-coroutine generator");
                    ERROR_NO_POP();
                }
                iter = iterable;
                DEAD(iterable);
            }

!pep 492 for the co_iterable_coroutine

[edgy kraken]

**PEP 492 - Coroutines with async and await syntax**

Status

Final

Python Version

3.5

Created

09-Apr-2015

Type

Standards Track

[zealous lion]

there's an opcode somewhere in there that wraps the object, so I'm relatively sure it won't let you accidentally await something

[vale wasp]

And is the current implementation that much more difficult?

[jagged belfry]

basically the early version of async there

[zealous lion]

difficult, no. but there are drawbacks to just using an async for. we added yield from in the first place to get proper subgenerator delegation semantics.

[vale wasp]

IIRC Chris Neugebauer did a talk where he demonstrated doing async in Python 1.6 (IIRC he stopped there because he ran out of time to finish writing the talk.)

[zealous lion]

could you elaborate on this?

[jagged belfry]

For stuff like futures and tasks I don't see it existing. You can pass anything into a yield from and while base coroutines are predictable futures are just an interface, and they deliberately support being yield from'd

[vale wasp]

Right. But I don't think that's going to be a convincing argument.

[jagged belfry]

https://github.com/python/cpython/blob/5f25707ad830a7e79afb9711d273c97f318c8922/Lib/asyncio/futures.py#L292-L301

[edgy kraken]

Lib/asyncio/futures.py lines 292 to 301

def __await__(self):
    if not self.done():
        self._asyncio_future_blocking = True
        yield self  # This tells Task to wait for completion.
    if not self.done():
        raise RuntimeError("await wasn't used with future")
    return self.result()  # May raise too.

__iter__ = __await__  # make compatible with 'yield from'.```

[jagged belfry]

Maybe said backwards compatibility could be removed, I guess

But this would mean giving yield from in an async context different behavior than in a sync context regardless

[zealous lion]

at the opcode level, yield from in an async def is not the same as await. there's a special object that wraps the yielded value before its ever sent to disambiguate with coroutines.

[vale wasp]

I think that there are enough foot gun potentialities in here to have possible security implications. I'm not familiar enough with the underlying code and changes that would be required to give something more specific than a gut feeling and instinct after working in the security industry for a while.

[jagged belfry]

Oh, I see. No, that wasn't my concern although that is a valid concern but I'm assuming there is a wrapper there. My concern is someone will forget an await:

async other_generator():
  yield 1

async def generator():
  yield from other_generator()

or will accidentally pass in a future instead of their intended generator (because a library returned a future instead of a standard coroutine and they didn't know because they behave the same)

[zealous lion]

the reference implementation raises an exception that says Did you mean 'async yield from'? for that example

[jagged belfry]

yield from then grows two separate semantics in two separate environments: for backwards compatibility it must yield from the coroutine itself (to support generator coroutines) but for async generators it must also yield from the contents of the coroutine, and it can't do both

[vale wasp]

It seems like async yield from is making something that is already complex even more so.

[zealous lion]

it does do both, it wraps it in a special object like i've said

[jagged belfry]

But how do you know which it should be?

[zealous lion]

you don't need to, python handles it for you

[jagged belfry]

class MyFutureObject():
  def __iter__(self):
    print("Does future stuff")

class MyGeneratorObject():
  def __iter__(self):
    print("does generator stuff")

How do you tell apart these two cases for yield from?

[onyx pumice]

hi i need help, my code in python x app is not working even though it shows the same output as the desired one

[zealous lion]

you await one, you yield from the other

[jagged belfry]

You can yield from futures

[vale wasp]

I recommend opening a thread in #1035199133436354600

[zealous lion]

in old-style coroutines, yeah, but i'm not sure how that applies here

[onyx pumice]

i think they might take a week or so to reply

[vale wasp]

Usually not.

[onyx pumice]

ok hopefully

[jagged belfry]

PyObject *
_PyAsyncGenYieldFrom_New(PyThreadState *tstate, PyObject *iterable)
{
    assert(tstate != NULL);
    assert(iterable != NULL);
    _PyAsyncGenYieldFrom *yield_from = PyObject_GC_New(_PyAsyncGenYieldFrom,
                                                      &_PyAsyncGenYieldFrom_Type);
    if (yield_from == NULL) {
        return NULL;
    }
    if (!Py_TYPE(iterable)->tp_iter && PyAsyncGen_CheckExact(iterable)) {
        _PyErr_Format(tstate, PyExc_TypeError,
                      "%T object is not iterable. Did you mean 'async yield from'?",
                      iterable);
        return NULL;
    }
    PyObject *iterator = PyObject_GetIter(iterable);
    if (iterator == NULL) {
        return NULL;
    }
    yield_from->agyf_iterator = Py_NewRef(iterator);
    _PyObject_GC_TRACK((PyObject *)yield_from);
    return (PyObject *)yield_from;
}

[sand hornet]

Wait a minute, that's not python

[vale wasp]

It's Python source code 🙂

[jagged belfry]

If you pass an instance of

class MyFutureObject():
  def __iter__(self):
    print("Does future stuff")
``` into
```py
async def generator():
  yield from MyFutureObject()

It passes down into getiter, then your generator will execute the future in the style of an old yield coroutine future, yielding the future's intermediate yields instead of awaiting it

I don't have the time at the moment to build the demo version of python and run it myself, but it shouldn't be hard for you to test that

if it doesnt' blow up, then I guess I'm wrong

give me a moment to cosntruct a full test case though

[zealous lion]

the values returned by the tp_iternext are wrapped in the special thing. python will actually yield the future values rather than awaiting it. it's kind of difficult to wrap your head around

[jagged belfry]

No, I get that, but that's the problem: they shouldn't be

or should they?

It's a footgun, what the person meant was yield from await MyFutureObject()

[zealous lion]

is this an example of what you're thinking of?

import asyncio

async def run():
    yield from asyncio.ensure_future(asyncio.sleep(1))

this raises a RuntimeError: await wasn't used with future

[vale wasp]

But would it with the suggested change? And if it doesn't, would it work as expected?

[zealous lion]

without the suggested change you get a SyntaxError for using yield from in an async def

[jagged belfry]

Yes, that seems a valid example

[vale wasp]

So if you try to yield from a future it would raise a RuntimeError?

[jagged belfry]

Because you are iterating into the future itself and basic python futures have an error check for that

[stray field]

This will let us return a coroutine from a generator then do async yield from await (yield from x())

[jagged belfry]

    def __await__(self):
        if not self.done():
            self._asyncio_future_blocking = True
            yield self  # This tells Task to wait for completion.
        if not self.done():
            raise RuntimeError("await wasn't used with future")
        return self.result()  # May raise too.

    __iter__ = __await__  # make compatible with 'yield from'.

On the second loop through

But that means you do get a random future dropped into your loop for the first iteration, which can error in weird places and is the core problem (or more than that with alternate implementations)

[zealous lion]

this is true for sync generators, FTR. you need to decorate it with @types.coroutine to use the legacy syntax

[jagged belfry]

This is solveable by checking for the presence of __await__ in yield_from and erroring if it's present

As that would prevent accidentally fumbling into coroutine generator implementation details when you miss an await call

although I still don't know if there aren't any valid use cases where you want an object both iterable in a non-coroutine sense and awaitable in a coroutine sense

I think supporting that one is a bad idea, because it's already jank enough if you do that and this would be limited to the new syntax anyway

[zealous lion]

this seems like stuff that will likely be handled by a type checker anyway

[vale wasp]

That is not a solution. That is passing off responsibility.

[jagged belfry]

import asyncio

async def steps():
  await asyncio.sleep(0.25)
  await asyncio.sleep(0.25)
  await asyncio.sleep(0.25)

async def generator():
  yield from asyncio.ensure_future(steps())

async def run():
    async for i in generator():
      print(i)

No, I think relying on the type checker for handling jank cases of intersection behavior is valid

[vale wasp]

Not everyone uses a type checker.

[jagged belfry]

I think this is a valid test case? It should throw out several values before eventually erroring..

[zealous lion]

practicality beats purity. you could pretty much reject every proposal on the basis that "someone might accidentally write a bug using this"

[pallid garden]

haskell meanwhile:

[zealous lion]

reference implementation says RuntimeError: await wasn't used with future again

[jagged belfry]

Yes but did it print anything before that?

or just immediately error?

[vale wasp]

Someone's gonna write a bug with it. The question is are we handing them a foot gun with this?

[zealous lion]

oh, there was one <Task pending name='Task-2' coro=<steps() running at /home/peter/develop/cpython/a.py:3>>

[jagged belfry]

Yes

that's the problem

You end up sending a future through the loop as the loop variable for at least one step before you crash

[zealous lion]

I don't think it's a very big problem if it throws a big error at you right after

[jagged belfry]

The problem is you're not going to get that error: you're going to get a different one, probably a typeerror

[vale wasp]

But right after could be a while. And, as @jagged belfry says, the error is likely to be unhelpful.

[jagged belfry]

Like if generator() is supposed to return ints, then you'll get a cannot add future and int

I wouldn't say unhelpful, just non-obvious

[hallow root]

I'm learning python right now I think I'm at intermedate level, I also know html, css some js some c# and some game dev but I'm getting back into it fresh after a long time

What project should I do

[peak relic]

Whats the most recent thing you've made?

[vale wasp]

!res

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[jagged belfry]

import asyncio

async def steps():
  await asyncio.sleep(0.25)
  await asyncio.sleep(0.25)
  await asyncio.sleep(0.25)
  return [1, 2, 3]

async def generator():
  yield from asyncio.ensure_future(steps())

async def run():
    total = 0
    async for i in generator():
      total += i
    print(total)

Here's a better example, this should provoke the typeerror

[hallow root]

Mostly web development Shopify Liquid

Theme features and such for the store I work on

[zealous lion]

this seems like a toe stub gun, if anything

[peak relic]

Are you looking to build something with Python or ?

[jagged belfry]

Maybe? But maybe worth addressing in the pep regardless?

Sorry, I don't mean to be combatitive

[hallow root]

Yeah I need a project idea, I'm thinking maybe a task manager Python Flask

Something like trello but simple

[zealous lion]

no worries, it's helpful feedback. i'm not sure what I would even add, though. "it's possible to write bad code with this PEP" seems kind of obvious