python-discussion

[vale wasp]

Nice.

[pallid garden]

there is a python binding for it

so i can just pass data in for compilation

[vale wasp]

So you use it to create PDFs?

[pallid garden]

or markdown, or plain text

or even html

[ionic bluff]

i dont even understand how to begin to tackle that. I pulled a table off of wikipedia and it almost melted my brain.

I just need to do more of that type of thing.

[ionic bluff]

eli5:
what's your general flow with that anyway? You mentioned typst, using some regex a while ago.

So scrape job posting, ingest into some logic. Then output to typst in some different formats with some markdown templates?

whats pandas for? What gets put into dataframes?

[runic flower]

data. spreadsheet data especially. anything that has rows or columns or both.

[dry pike]

Xelf when he frames the data: now this is 🐼

[runic flower]

I still do a lot of postgres -> pandas dataframes -> html render of a dataframe.
it's just easy. and you can do an awful lot of dataframe manipulations before serving it.

dataframe:

columns replaced with links to the character page, rows replaced with links that drill down, cells replaced with checkmarks, but it's still a dataframe

[boreal river]

hello! i'm new

[runic flower]

hullo new, I'm xelf

[white knot]

hi

[solid totem]

hi

[vale wasp]

Greetings and salutations.

So you want to tell people how to cheat?

[marsh tusk]

Thanks now I can cheat

[solid totem]

enjoy

[jagged belfry]

!kick 1336231308560433184 sharing js cheats as their first message

[edgy kraken]

:ok_hand: applied kick to @solid totem.

[runic flower]

I havn't seen kick done before, what's that do?

[marsh tusk]

That's they're first message?💀

[marsh tusk]

Kicks people out the server

[patent kestrel]

removes them from the server but they can rejoin

[runic flower]

so like a very light ban. neat. reminds me of old irc days

[vale wasp]

Stronger than a warning, not yet a ban.

[marsh tusk]

Feel like cheats should be a ban🤔

Just less work for devs in my opinion

[vale wasp]

No argument from me.

[lost lagoon]

I believe that's their goal

[finite rose]

Man dealing with memory in C is like driving a big bus on one of those narrow mountain roads in the Peruvian Andes. One tiny deviation from the path and you fall to your death = segmentation fault. 😵‍💫

[vale wasp]

I kinda wish I would've been able to file a security report for the developers but I guess I can't now.

[marsh tusk]

Try c++ lmao

[vale wasp]

If you're lucky. Sometimes it's keep driving until it blows up 3 hours later and good luck finding it.

[marsh tusk]

I was about to debug all those linker errors but then realized i forgot to link to lua💀

[finite rose]

segmentation fault is the worst error message ever. It's basically "bruh, your app crashed. You did a wrong somewhere. Good luck."

[vale wasp]

I think I figured out what was causing the errors.

[marsh tusk]

Sometimes yes

[lost lagoon]

well that's better than creating larger bug that will make you drive straight into nuke testing facility

[runic flower]

I got a job once, because in the interview someone asked me a c memory management question, not expecting me to have the answer as she had been struggling with it all week and was hoping for a fresh perspective, but I solved the problem in the interview and got the job. 🙂

[lost lagoon]

dealing with memory is not realy that bad....

[finite rose]

nice

[vale wasp]

There's at least a core dump...

[marsh tusk]

When you get used to it

[vale wasp]

Nice!

[runic flower]

yeah, never underestimate a fresh perspective. 🙂

[marsh tusk]

Wish I was that smart

[vale wasp]

You get used to it?

[marsh tusk]

Somewhat i can barely debug in this thing😭

I gotta develop discipline like uhh😭

[lost lagoon]

the time I haven't touched compiled languages before I'm scared on managing memory but as I realized it's just a matter of tending to a crying ticking baby bomb

[vale wasp]

I spent the first 6 or so years of my career working on a video processing system with no OS. It ran on bare metal, TI DSP. In C. No debugger. Logging coming out of a RS232 port.

[marsh tusk]

Get this i forgot to free memory from one of my objects earlier. Almost caused a memory leak. Actually I still think I did cause a memory leak before I fixed it.

[marsh tusk]

💀

Can't pay me enough to do that

[lost lagoon]

still remember my fist memory leak

[marsh tusk]

The good ol days

[vale wasp]

That was my first engineering job. I had been hired to do support and help with QA for the product. Lead engineer was trying to find someone but couldn't. He suggested I do a project to show I could fill that role so I wrote an HTTP server to handle the config for it. No filesystem so it was essentially function pointers for each page.

[vale wasp]

Everyone remembers their first.

[marsh tusk]

💀

[marsh tusk]

I remember this one time I caused a memory leak in sdl😭

[runic flower]

right time right place, more about being lucky.

[patent kestrel]

was ur solution RIIR

[raw bramble]

Is a tiling window manager good for programming?

[runic flower]

Could be.

[marsh tusk]

Lucky I won't choke or lucky enough to get a question i actually know the answer to?😭

[raw bramble]

Ive just installed arch with hyprland on a vm and i really like how hyprland works (kitty won’t work though ;-;)

[vale wasp]

That was the nice thing about embedded - we statically allocated 99% of things and the few things that weren't were dynamically allocated at startup and persistent. The only reason they were dynamically allocated was because we needed to know what resolution we were recording at and the determined how many buffers we could have.

[raw bramble]

I’ve never used arch or hypr before but it seems really cool and I think I could get used to it

[marsh tusk]

How big is that vm in storage when you installed it?

[raw bramble]

Umm not that much, why?

[vale wasp]

A good interview you'll talk through the problem with the interviewer and be a

[raw bramble]

I think like 8gb storage?

[runic flower]

I've had great interviews, and I've had terrible interviews. It was the same me in both interviews, sometimes it's not you that is the problem or reason an interview went bad.

[marsh tusk]

Tryna estimate the amount of resources my computer needs for my vm

[vale wasp]

Sometimes it's the interviewer.

[raw bramble]

I think 4gb is recommended for arch

[sand hornet]

Good Timezone chat

[marsh tusk]

Good because im on 30💀

[raw bramble]

I had 20gb left so I had to do a bit of tidying, I’m on 90gb now but I still feel like that’s not much

[dim kelp]

4gb is enough for every distro and os except win 11

[marsh tusk]

Would have over a 100 but uhhh kinda don't wanna get rid of fortnite yet(haven't opened it in months)

[marsh tusk]

Imagine running a windows vm in windows

[runic flower]

Sadly all too often. =/ Especially when you consider that some interviewers are devs that would rather not have been put on interview duty.

[raw bramble]

Yeah omg I checked Fortnite and it’s 100gb 😭

[marsh tusk]

I also have genshin💀

[raw bramble]

💀 no wonder you have no storage

[marsh tusk]

Love my rpgs

[marsh tusk]

Lmao yea💀

[raw bramble]

Surely there’s a way for them to make Fortnite and Genshin smaller

[ionic bluff]

rm -rf?

[runic flower]

move them to your cellphone. that'll free up space.

[marsh tusk]

What if I enjoy playing on pc(I do)

[raw bramble]

If I do swap to Linux I’ll need to find a new device to play Fortnite on anyway

I don’t know if I’m able to play it on phone though

[marsh tusk]

You should add me👀

[raw bramble]

I barely play it haha, I’m just the designated duo for my friend group when someone needs someone to play

[runic flower]

wow - 150gb.

[marsh tusk]

I think im losing interest i can't bring myself to play it anymore 😭

[vale wasp]

It's also poorly designed interviews - like live coding exercises.

[mighty torrent]

Hello, im new, do u think that learn py its worth?

[raw bramble]

I started chapter 1 season 2/3, game’s peak was chapter 3/4, it’s been downhill since, although Ch7 isn’t the worst and OG season 7 is amazing

[raw bramble]

100%

[sand hornet]

That's very little

[runic flower]

you can get a lot out of coding interviews if they're done right. I like to ask very easy questions to set the candidate at ease, put them in familiar territory and then exlpore from there.

[marsh tusk]

I think im losing interest and for some reason Minecraft seems more fun now😭

[runic flower]

compared to what ?
there are bigger games out there for sure, but that's still a lot.

[sand hornet]

Idk because I didn't have context what the 150gb was for lol

[raw bramble]

Nahh I can’t with Minecraft, I like playing older versions but the game feels to easy to progress through now, I feel like I have to choose not to progress so quickly, like I’m not really having to survive in survival mode

[runic flower]

disk space consumed by having World of Warcraft installed.

[marsh tusk]

Mods exist for this reason

[vale wasp]

Our technical interview is looking at code and dissecting it, not writing it. A couple of trick questions but enough meat to be able to get a good sense of understanding. I don't think there is any value in live coding exercises.

https://brassnet.biz/blog/live-coding-interviews-show-nothing-about-whether-a-candidate-is-qualified.html

[raw bramble]

I like all the new features and mechanics, I think the game’s progression has never really changed though, and beating the ender dragon and going to the end city is still the end point of progression

I’m still waiting for that end update

[marsh tusk]

Play mods

[runic flower]

Yeah I agree that pure interviewing questions are not great. Especially one that require domain knowledge of having seen a particular trick before, But I still find it a useful way to engage in dialog about something we're both familiar with.

[ornate wren]

@vale wasp did you ever worked with esp32? i'm curious to the hardware you used for the bare metal stuff

[raw bramble]

Only mod pack I love is Antimatter Chemistry, it’s a completely different feel from regular Minecraft but I find it so fun, you start with nothing in a white void and break down and combine atoms to create everything you use

[runic flower]

There's also another perk, if I ask you to write a function that could have been a one liner and you struggle with it, that might lead to an interesting conversation too.

[marsh tusk]

Im good at coming up with great ideas so im gonna make a mod one day

[vale wasp]

We start with "What is a dict and what is a list and why would you choose one over the other?" and about 5 questions later show an anonymized function that flattens a dictionary and ask them to tell us what it does. Each question getting a bit harder. We don't care about domain knowledge so much as how well you think and understand the basic concepts.

[marsh tusk]

Just need ideas lmao

[vale wasp]

I don't remember what DSP it was.

[raw bramble]

A what function that whats a what 🥲

[ornate wren]

domain knowledge is key tho

[marsh tusk]

Am I the only one that somewhat understood that

[dim kelp]

bank = {"Cash":0}

def action():
    print("Press D to deposit money, W to withdraw")
    action = input("Type your action: ")
    if action == "D":
        deposit(bank)

def deposit(bank):
    deposit_amount = input("How much money do you want to deposit: ")
    bank["Cash"] = deposit_amount
    print(bank["Cash"])

action()

```is this correct? It does what I expect.

Press D to deposit money, W to withdraw
Type your action: D
How much money do you want to deposit: 67
67

[vale wasp]

Imagine a dictionary that contains multiple things, some of which are dictionaries. It's nested. Now imagine you want it flattened.

[raw bramble]

It’s 4am and I’ve been arguing with hyprland to get kitty to run for the past hour 😔

[marsh tusk]

Wouldn't i just iterate over the whole thing and add each element into a list of some sort?

[vale wasp]

You can learn domain knowledge. I care about the foundation.

[runic flower]

I wouldn't call it "correct" in general, but it might be correct for the specific case you have,
like do you care about what happens if you deposit money into an account that already has money in it?

[ornate wren]

You mean when hiring a junior dev? i agree with you

[dim kelp]

Is that a problem? I mean it will just add more money if theres already money in it?

[surreal knot]

if you deposit 10, then deposit 5, the user will only have 5 instead of 15

[runic flower]

well, that's not what your code does. is why I was asking

[dim kelp]

let me try this

[vale wasp]

It's a recursive function that creates a new dictionary from the old one. When it hits a dictionary it flattens it by making each key in the child dictionary be key[0].key[1] - it's recursive.

[raw bramble]

You are setting the balance not depositing more money

[vale wasp]

I mean for any dev.

[ornate wren]

The best way to build an balance is using a list (history) of the "transactions" (money added or removed)

and adding money or removing money should be dealt like a database transaction, like an atomic action

[vale wasp]

You might want to open a thread in #1035199133436354600 - that way it will be easier to follow.

[dim kelp]

bank = {"Cash":10}

def action():
    print("Press D to deposit money, W to withdraw")
    action = input("Type your action: ")
    if action == "D":
        deposit(bank)

def deposit(bank):
    deposit_amount = int(input("How much money do you want to deposit: "))
    bank["Cash"] += deposit_amount
    print(bank["Cash"])

action()
``` @runic flower fixed?

Press D to deposit money, W to withdraw
Type your action: D
How much money do you want to deposit: 5
15

[runic flower]

Nice.

[ornate wren]

@vale wasp aren't we moving from simple coders to true solution architects?

[pearl terrace]

Now implement withdraw and transactions history ?

[dim kelp]

uh history? i am creating the withdraw func rn

[pearl terrace]

then do afterwards

[dim kelp]

```What does this error mean?

[raw bramble]

accounts = {}
class Account:

    def __init__(self, name: str, cash: float = 0.0):
       self.name = name
       self.cash = cash
       accounts[self.name] = self

    def __repr__(self):
        return f'Account(name={self.name}, cash={self.cash})'
    def deposit(self, amount: float):
        self.cash += amount

    def withdraw(self, amount: float):
        self.cash -= amount

    def transfer(self, amount: float, account: Account):
        self.withdraw(amount)
        account.deposit(amount)


Account('John')
Account('David',15)

accounts['John'].deposit(100)
accounts['John'].transfer(40,accounts['David'])

print(accounts)

Is this code good or bad ;w;

[swift sparrow]

Let's see the code you're running

[dim kelp]

bank = {"Cash":10}

def action():
    print("Press D to deposit money, W to withdraw, C to check cash")
    action = input("Type your action: ")
    if action == "D":
        deposit(bank)
    elif action == "W":
        withdraw(bank)
    elif action == "C":
        check_cash(bank)

def deposit(bank):
    deposit_amount = int(input("How much money do you want to deposit: "))
    bank["Cash"] += deposit_amount
    print(f"Cash: {bank["Cash"]}")

def withdraw(bank):
    if withdraw_amount <= bank["Cash"]:
        withdraw_amount = int(input("How much money do you want to withdraw: "))
        bank["Cash"] -= withdraw_amount
        print(f"Remaining cash: {bank["Cash"]}")

def check_cash(bank):
    print(f"Total cash: {bank["Cash"]}")

loop = input("Exit? E to exit Y to keep the program running")
while loop != "E":
    action()

[swift sparrow]

This is looking good, but I'd consider moving the accounts dictionary to be a class attribute

[dim kelp]

WAIT

I GET IT I GET IT

[pearl terrace]

withdraw amount should be defined before the statement

[raw bramble]

wdym? so before the init you have the account dict?

[swift sparrow]

and you should have some guards in your deposit/withdraw. Right now you can withdraw as much money as you like, regardless of what's in your account

[dim kelp]

yeah yeah i noticed

[pearl terrace]

🫡

[swift sparrow]

Yes, and then it would be accessed with Account.accounts

[raw bramble]

class Account:
    accounts = {}
    def __init__(self, name: str, cash: float = 0.0):
       self.name = name
       self.cash = cash
       Account.accounts[self.name] = self

Account.accounts['John'].deposit(100)
Account.accounts['John'].transfer(40,Account.accounts['David'])

print(Account.accounts)

[swift sparrow]

Yeah perfect

[raw bramble]

:D thanks! is that just so you don't have a random accounts dict that you are only using for that Account class, but is able to be messed with by other code?

[swift sparrow]

yeah, it just makes it a bit more clear and organized

[raw bramble]

I always feel a bit on edge (idk if that's the right term to use) when making a dictionary like this inside a Class as a way to store instances of that class, it feels wrong

[swift sparrow]

I think it's ok, but structurally you might want to have an AccountManager class, and that can be responsible for creating/storing/etc for Accounts

[celest osprey]

[raw bramble]

What would that class be?

just some class with functions like AccountManager.create_account("jimmy") ? and the accounts are stored as AccountManager.accounts

[swift sparrow]

yeah, but then that way the dictionary could be an instance attribute

[finite rose]

Every time I do a new thing in C I find a new way to crash. Who knew there were sooooo many things that can go wrong.

[raw bramble]

The C in C stands for Crashing

[steady rain]

Segmentation fault, idiot!

[finite rose]

lol NOOOoooooOO this time it was a "bus error!'

[half pewter]

jfc scan a barcode and enter two verification numbers for aws...

and yet we have new data leak scandals every week

[finite rose]

I'm very very smart. I know this cause ChatGPT is always telling me I am asking very smart questions!

[mossy sigil]

[finite rose]

🙄

[leaden solar]

Guys...this might sound dumb, but how do I study effectively? I've heard of this technique where I study for 25 minutes and then take a 5 minute break...but it's like, every time I try to sit and concentrate, I can't stay focused. :/

[pallid garden]

put away your phone and devices

[ornate wren]

uninstall tiktok

[steady rain]

I assume they're doing that for each 25 minute block

[pallid garden]

if you are reading on an electronic device, download the document and turn on airplane mode

[steady rain]

What are you studying?

[pallid garden]

i dont do 25 minute blocks myself, i just study until i am hungry or tired, then i eat or sleep respectively, and then go back to studying

[leaden solar]

Watching CS50P on YouTube, and I got a smattering of books on my Kindle.

@steady rain

[robust ledge]

Start with the smallest amount of time you can before you feel that "lost focus" feeling. Take a five minute break. Repeat. Do this for an hour or two and then just do other things. Do this daily. Study until you can't, five minute break, and repeat. An hour or two a day. You build up your ability to study the same way you build up the ability to lift weights, run, or anything else.

[pallid garden]

use the cs50p website to watch the lectures

[rare tiger]

I put on Minecraft music and close everything but what I need open

works for me

might not work for you though

[steady rain]

People are giving answers that seem to assume you're being actively distracted by devices and such. Is that the problem, @leaden solar, or is it something internal?

[leaden solar]

I think it's something internal, tbh.

I've never had to study like this before. I breezed through high school with straight As without ever studying and now I'm 29 with no degree because of disability, trying to break into tech because I'm tired of living off of social security. :/ Hopefully that makes sense.

Computers are such a broad field, I know I won't understand it all...

[wise imp]

Preoct's advice seems like it could work for something internal as well

[half pewter]

picture your project in it's underwear

[robust ledge]

My advice is focused on two things: It's perfectly okay to feel like you can't focus. It's also something you can learn to do. It just takes effort. That's the hard part.

[leaden solar]

Thank you. @robust ledge

[steady rain]

Are you planning to get a degree? It's pretty much impossible to break into tech without one.

[visual juniper]

unless you start at the very bottom like tech support and get a certification course or smth

[leaden solar]

Thank you, everyone.

I can't start a degree for another 3 years. My student loans were discharged last year and now I'm going through this monitoring period, so I'm just trying to self-study for now.

[steady rain]

I hope that works out.

Since you've been watching a video course, maybe you should pause and try practicing something in a way that's more hands-on, to keep it engaging.

[leaden solar]

Okay. So, like, read a Python book and practice programming out of that?

[pallid garden]

where can i find a job like that

[steady rain]

It doesn't matter if it's a book or video course or what. The important part is that you write some code that uses the concepts you purportedly learn. It doesn't need to be useful.

[leaden solar]

Hm...okay. 👍

[ornate wren]

being dedicated and competent can get you far

specially when people are so lazy nowdays

Build anything useful while others are doomscrolling

its never been this easy right?

[visual juniper]

i dont know how you would find a job like that where you are

[steady rain]

No, right now it's harder to get a job in tech than it has been for a long time.

[kind thicket]

that sounds like an overly broad generalization without foundation

[leaden solar]

I know I'm basically gambling that the job market will magically get better in the next few years...

@steady rain

[ornate wren]

i'm talking about building anything, development has been shit since bootcamps and AI

[steady rain]

It probably will.

[leaden solar]

Good to hear.

[kind thicket]

luck favors the prepared.

So max out along all the dimensions!

• Education - get a degree
• Experience - get internships
• Skills - Make projects

[wise imp]

Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity - Seneca

[steady rain]

I have like four tshirts that say variations of "luck is what happens when you're Irish"

Unless you lived in Belfast during the troubles

[leaden solar]

The only thing I can think of actually making is a digital version of a card game I'm trying to make. But there's so much interesting computer stuff I wanna do...software, Web development, cybersecurity, system administration...

[kind thicket]

you have plenty of time! Just start somewhere

[leaden solar]

So far I know a bit of Python and Linux...but that's it, really.

[finite rose]

Learning to focus and study is a skill you can improve, like running can build endurance. It happens over time, with prolonged exercise. You have to practice stuying and focusing for it to get better. But it can absolutely improve.

[leaden solar]

nods Okay.

[steady rain]

You can maybe make a text-based version of the game first, and then work towards making it GUI

[leaden solar]

I've heard of making GUIs with something called TKinter, is that a good idea? I've also heard of using PyGame...

[half pewter]

where are you at in your progress? fizzbuzz? tic tac toe?

[steady rain]

I think people tend to find tkinter kinda frustrating

[half pewter]

those are both milestones worth working toward if you havent

[leaden solar]

I've done fizz buzz before. No tic tac toe.

I know what functions are, but constantly get stuck on OOP stuff...

[wise imp]

what

[steady rain]

Don't worry too much about "understanding OOP" as an abstract concept. Just focusing on writing and using classes.

[half pewter]

OOP is sort of an abstract concept when you're writing toy projects, I wouldn't worry to much about it but ...

[steady rain]

What what?

[leaden solar]

Okay.

So, just try and understand classes. Got it.

[wise imp]

frustrated? by what?

[steady rain]

Using tkinter

[leaden solar]

I have Python Crash Course on my Kindle. I'll keep chugging along here.

[grave tree]

tkinter can be fairly clunky and is fairly limited in features compared to other GUI options

[half pewter]

I'd rather write a gui in turtle than tkinter no joke

[wise imp]

but turtle is tkinter

[half pewter]

tkinter minus the suck

[rare tiger]

I really don't like tkinter, nothing is done in a way that makes sense imo

[steady rain]

But you don't have to know that it's tkinter
It's encapsulated
Hey, that's part of OOP

Streamlit makes it crazy easy to do UIs

But you sort of have to know what it does behind the scenes

[deep zenith]

Hello

Good morning

[ionic surge]

how can i change the bar where file, edit, debug, etc is to something other than white?

[deep zenith]

In vs code?

[ionic surge]

oh sorry, in IDLE lol

i should've led with that

[deep zenith]

There will be a setting in which u can change the color

[rare tiger]

Looks cool, although I wouldn't use it personally

[swift sparrow]

pyside is life for UI

[deep zenith]

Editor setting something

[ionic surge]

yea there's dark mode but it doesn't seem to change that sadly, nor does windows settings

[robust ledge]

I'm sure it was said before. While you're reading and exploring just make sure you're building things. Anything. Silly things. Things that break. Things that interest you. Build, explore, and train your mind to be curious.

[deep zenith]

Hmm 🤔

Use vs code lol then

[steady rain]

It was said

[rare tiger]

I'm making my own gui framework for python currently, it's honestly been pretty fun if a little frustrating at times

[deep zenith]

U can apply themes too

[leaden solar]

@steady rain @robust ledge I'll pick up studying tomorrow, it's 1 AM here. :/ Thank you all for your advice.

[deep zenith]

In vs code

[steady rain]

East Coast Best coast

[deep zenith]

Which one

[ionic surge]

ah yea i might do vs code but i was reading some comments of people saying start with IDLE to learn a bit before switching

[deep zenith]

Can I contribute

[robust ledge]

I figured as much. This place is good for it. I'm quite out of it and just finishing a thought that was 20 minutes ago.

[leaden solar]

@steady rain definitely, lol. XD

[deep zenith]

Yeahh cuz vs code gives snippets and shit so u don't have to type alot

[rare tiger]

TinyXUI #user-interfaces message

[ionic surge]

its like -25 with windchill where im at on the east coast..not the best coast right now xD

[rare tiger]

Once I upload the git repo sure

[deep zenith]

Use IDLE for now I will figure out the setting once I am at my pc

[ionic surge]

heard that, ty

[wise imp]

I'd say don't use IDLE ever

Thonny though

[deep zenith]

Idle is good for beginners

[wise imp]

nuh uh

[deep zenith]

It doesnt provide ai slop

[half pewter]

used idle long enough to know I hated it

[ionic surge]

lol

[wise imp]

as mentioned, there's Thonny

[swift sparrow]

but IDLE comes with python

[small tinsel]

is there any tool that can coonvert my python0.9 code to python3.13

[ionic surge]

didnt know of thonny, does look neat

[swift sparrow]

more hurdles is generally bad for beginners

[wise imp]

you have what code now?

[deep zenith]

Yes

[ionic surge]

i grabbed python crash course, that a good starting point?

[deep zenith]

What u coding now

[half pewter]

starting in np++ wasn't bad but autocomplete and standard plugins arn't going to inhibit anyones learning imo

[small tinsel]

python version 0.9

[wise imp]

how?

[deep zenith]

I am at the point where I can just look for docs and code myself but I am so lazy

[ionic surge]

nothing...computercraft in minecraft maybe? lol

[rare tiger]

probably not

just rewrite the code if it isn't super complex

also why are you using python 0.9 😭

[half pewter]

what museum did you find that in?

[deep zenith]

Using python as a baby

[ionic surge]

last time i tried to learn coding was ages ago, but its always been interesting to me

[deep zenith]

Python in baby stage

[small tinsel]

i wrote it in my mid 50s

[deep zenith]

U wrote python ?

Is guido van russom ur friend

[small tinsel]

no i wrote the python0.9 code back then

[deep zenith]

Ohh

I thought u contributed to it

Man mid 50s is like 1955?

[ionic surge]

exactly

[deep zenith]

Damn

[rare tiger]

It can be, but you should also code projects for fun to gain knowledge

[deep zenith]

Even computer graphics came out commercially in 1960s

[dry pike]

in their mid 50s

[ionic surge]

yea i only learn by doing but wanted something to read

[deep zenith]

Ohh

[dry pike]

meaning, when they were 50-59 years old

[deep zenith]

I misunderstood that

[ionic surge]

xd

[fiery yarrow]

ergo, sometime in the 2050s most likely

[deep zenith]

Okie

[swift sparrow]

python was definitely not a thing in 1955

[deep zenith]

It is not

[ionic surge]

were they doin the punch cards in the 50s or am i decades off

[deep zenith]

Fortran and cobol

[rare tiger]

my grandpa was programming in cobol back them 💀

[dry pike]

no still not

[deep zenith]

Before fortran ?

[dry pike]

google says fortran 1957 the compiler was released

[deep zenith]

Dang 😫

[fiery yarrow]

yall are gullible

[deep zenith]

So we are not even completed a century and we got ai

[dry pike]

cobol 1960

[deep zenith]

From human manually programming chips by hand to let ai do everything

What a journey it was

[swift sparrow]

we're not at the point of ai doing everything

[deep zenith]

Cyberpunk 2077 is looking real

Idk what will happen to tech after 10 years

Tech grows exponentialy

[unkempt shard]

Moore's law right?

[deep zenith]

That's my law

[unkempt shard]

mb

[deep zenith]

Moore stoled it

[swift sparrow]

moore's law is tech will double in speed and halve in size transistor numbers will double every 2 years

[unkempt shard]

Close enough

[dry pike]

soon, we will have entire rooms full of transistors!

[deep zenith]

But no ram and no gpus

[pallid garden]

guess what ram and gpus are made of

[kind thicket]

shareholders' dreams and goals

[dry pike]

mini CPUs

[pallid garden]

[dry pike]

the took the CPUs and used a shinkray on them, then put a bunch of them together

[pearl terrace]

metal

[dry pike]

well, silicon is not metal

[fiery yarrow]

bits of sand that get hit with lightning until they cooperate

[pearl terrace]

okay

rock ?

[velvet hull]

There is moore's law for ai and semiconductors too

Ai one is more exponential

[pallid garden]

and more fake

[final hollow]

I was reading your guys' conversation about Moore's Law and thinking DeMorgan's Law, and I'm like "what negations are you talking about for AI"

[pallid garden]

the AI part is a techbro thing, dont worry about it

[jagged belfry]

cyncial: e = mc^2 + ai

[pallid garden]

what

[final hollow]

P = εσT⁴ is the Stefan-Boltzmann law

[dry pike]

wow 4, what is that a cube

[final hollow]

No it's s 67-dimensional sphere

[kind thicket]

(that's the ref)

[fiery yarrow]

it disappoints me that is is not as much as a self-burn as everybody says it is, because e=mc^2 is not the full equation 😔

[mossy sigil]

im liking development

[dry pike]

development of what?

[mossy sigil]

py

[jagged belfry]

eh, it's basically the same

[fiery yarrow]

tbf, for at object at rest, the other half is 0

[jagged belfry]

It's a triangle equation too, which is more fascinating but also makes sense

[final hollow]

The triangular inequality for vectors?

[dry pike]

so that's why video games are made of triangles

[jagged belfry]

No, e^2 = (pc)^2 + (mc^2)^2

c^2 = a^2 + b^2

[final hollow]

||x + y|| <= ||x|| + ||y||

[dry pike]

what does || mean

[bronze dragon]

absolute value ig

[dry pike]

oh I get it

||x + y|| <= ||x|| + ||y||

[final hollow]

Norm since x and y are vectors, but I've seen it written as just single bars too

[dry pike]

(isn't that |x|?)

[swift sparrow]

it's the minimum amount of points required to represent a 3d shape

[dry pike]

don't worry I'm not being serious

[swift sparrow]

oh lol

[fiery yarrow]

||a|| is the magnitide of vector a

[dry pike]

how many points are required to uniquely define a sphere including position?

[jagged belfry]

2

...this has come up before

[dry pike]

sorry I forgot some parts of that sentence

[swift sparrow]

wouldn't it be 4?

[fiery yarrow]

circle is 3

[jagged belfry]

IIRC I annoyed people

[swift sparrow]

radius, x, y, z

[dry pike]

I meant "on the perimeter" or whatever perimeter is for 3d shapes

[jagged belfry]

4 numbers, two points: one in the cneter, one on the perimiter

[bronze dragon]

the question was how many points, not how many individual values

[dry pike]

for circles, it's 3

[jagged belfry]

and if it's on the surface, it's also 3.

Hm

no

4

And they can't be in a circle themselves

[dry pike]

how many points are required in 3d space to uniquely define a sphere such that the points lie on the surface of the sphere?

[jagged belfry]

3 points form a triangle, but there are two possible spheres for that triangle, so you need 4 points to be fully discriminant

[dry pike]

apparently the points have to be non-coplanar

[fiery yarrow]

3 non-colinear points define a circle.
i vote that those three non-colinear also define a sphere.

[jagged belfry]

I wish I had a decent 3-d drawing software

[rapid parcel]

9 points?

[dry pike]

those points are not non-coplanar in 3d space tho

[rapid parcel]

three in each plane. that makes 9

[jagged belfry]

You know how two points define two circles?

[dry pike]

two points define an infinite number of circles @jagged belfry (if on the perimeter of course, as we are talking about)

[bronze dragon]

Aren't any three points coplanar

[fiery yarrow]

think i meant colinear for 2 and 3 d

[rapid parcel]

les gooo

[jagged belfry]

now make the sphere bigger.. the triangle still fits on the surface, just closer to the pole

[rapid parcel]

dang

[fiery yarrow]

and i'm upgrading to 4. one point must be non-co{line/plane/etc}er for {2/3/etc} space, which, for 3d, requires at least 4 points

[dry pike]

you can squeeze the ball through the triangle

would be a nice animation if it had some acceleration and deceleration

[fiery yarrow]

new vote: an n-sphere is defined by n+2 points that do not collectively share an (n+1)-plane.
apparently a sphere is a 2-sphere, not a 3-sphere. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[rapid parcel]

naur

[jagged belfry]

Same principle applies to circles

[rapid parcel]

so y'all are mathematicians too?

[dry pike]

no

[jagged belfry]

You can actaully solve this analytically

[rapid parcel]

hmm. and we're deciding the minimum number of coplanar points required to create a sphere?

[jagged belfry]

a sphere is defined by r^2 = x^2 + y^2 + z^2

Four variables, four unknowns

[rapid parcel]

true..

[fiery yarrow]

even an infinite number of coplanar points cannot unique define a sphere

[rapid parcel]

so one x and one y, three equations. three points. sounds about right. except they won't be coplanar. do they have to be coplanar?

[jagged belfry]

coplanar points are degenerate matrices :3

[rapid parcel]

ok im out this is mathing too hard

[jagged belfry]

z = x + y is the same equation as 2z = 2x + 2y

[rapid parcel]

true. so that does make it coplanar then. right?

[jagged belfry]

yes

[bright mauve]

it was me 😌

[wise yarrow]

why are we having this conversation again

[half pewter]

because we stopped having this conversation before?

[wise yarrow]

last time i think we concluded that the question is not specific enough

i.e. what does it mean for points to uniquely define a sphere

[nimble isle]

slightly off-topic, I know, but is there an active discord server where I can ask about game design?

[bright mauve]

judging by bast's images above, "uniquely up to rotation" because translation is being considered

[half pewter]

that's my memory as well, it depends™

[jagged belfry]

The question this time was more specific

not just "points to define a sphere" but points on the surface

[kind thicket]

and it must use points

[fiery yarrow]

cramer's theorem moment

[wise yarrow]

i'm just gonna drop the term general position here since i think that's what you're discussing

and then i will leave the convo because i don't want to think about geometry on a sunday afternoon

[nimble isle]

it's sunday morning

and I'd much rather think about geometry than do my stupid dumb 4-page english essay

[bright mauve]

do your homework

[fiery yarrow]

"afternoon" is kinda pushing it tbh

[bright mauve]

don't waste your money

[nimble isle]

but it's sooo terrible

english was forced upon me, I had no choice in the matter.

[still depot]

how i can back run in python?

[bright mauve]

this is exactly the reason you to go school. that they force you to study things you realistically wouldn't on your own

everyone says self-teaching is great, but it's only great if you can also power through the stuff you dislike

school forces it down your throat lol

[kind thicket]

write it in python. It's almost english

[wise yarrow]

i would too, but i'm preoccupied with an integral rn, and i would rather do that than geometry

[fiery yarrow]

heyyo stickie
you want an easy math problem

[bright mauve]

"""
once upon a time...
"""

[wise yarrow]

it better be easy this is like my 5th nerdsnipe this week

[nimble isle]

I self-taught for several years and passed all my exams. Including english.
Then I chose to go to school and I have 6 subjects I absolutely love and have passion for. Then there's English.
What's bothering me is I don't even need high marks in english for university, since only my best 6 subjects count

[wise yarrow]

is this australia?

[kind thicket]

It will still be super important for your career

[fiery yarrow]

a/(b+c) + b/(a+c) + c/(a+b) = 4
find smallest distinct positive integer values of a,b,c

[bright mauve]

there's always gonna be stuff you have to do that you don't like

[nimble isle]

but do I have to do it at higher level?
Why won't everyone just let me take it at ordinary?

[kind thicket]

No one will take seriously someone who expresses themselves like a middle schooler

Plus there is a say that languages will limit your thoughts

[nimble isle]

also like explain to me exactly how knowing a million quotes from poems and Shakespeare will help a career in... say... software dev

[jagged belfry]

It's not about knowing them it's about understanding them

[nimble isle]

language is important, sure. Why is literature important

[bright mauve]

if it teaches you to communicate more clearly, do it. and do it well. you know what our chief complaint for people with masters and phd is? being great at what they do, and presenting so poorly that no one listens or understands

[jagged belfry]

Being able to take apart language is incredibly helpful in development

[wise yarrow]

oh this is easy
(154476802108746166441951315019919837485664325669565431700026634898253202035277999, 36875131794129999827197811565225474825492979968971970996283137471637224634055579,4373612677928697257861252602371390152816537558161613618621437993378423467772036)

[kind thicket]

Granted star trek quotes are far more popular than Shakespeare

[jagged belfry]

Naming things is one of the hardest problems in programming

[fiery yarrow]

ya cheater

[nimble isle]

I'd be fine with english if it was just language, since I actually understand why I need that. But why is literature forced on us as well?

[bright mauve]

so that you can also read well?

[swift sparrow]

to become a well rounded human

[nimble isle]

also this should probably be moved to off-topic

[visual juniper]

it will force you to study english so that in futurer when you are a product manager and have to communicate with non technical people , you wont have as much trouble expressing your thoughts
(this is obviously an exaggeration but the point isnt that , the quotes or the poem is important , rather the learning is )

[wise yarrow]

identifying the problem as a prior solved problem is also a skill

[dry pike]

the futurer: the time that goes after the time that will come

[fiery yarrow]

fine. same general question, but with equation equal to 6

[kind thicket]

you will have to read and write documentations, papers, convince people about your ideas and projects, etc.

[weak jasper]

def __str__(self): 
        return f"Planet: {self.name} | Type: {self.planet_type} | Star: {self.star}"

print(planet_1.__str__())```
why we do ``print(planet_1)`` to call the str method whereas in the other normal methods we use the dot notation to call those? (there was more in this code, i only kept the part which i had doubt in)

why we cant call it like I have written above

[swift sparrow]

you can

but dunder methods are not really meant to be called directly

[weak jasper]

ohh

[swift sparrow]

!e

class Foo:

    def __str__(self):
        return 'this is a foo instance'


f = Foo()
print(f.__str__())

[edgy kraken]

:white_check_mark: Your 3.14 eval job has completed with return code 0.

this is a foo instance

[swift sparrow]

print automatically converts whatever object it is printing to str

and __str__ is responsible for the string representation of your instance

[weak jasper]

ohh

what if it was __int__

[swift sparrow]

then that's what happens if you try and convert your instance to an int

so if you do int(planet_1), what would you expect the result to be?

[weak jasper]

TypeError

[swift sparrow]

yes, unless you define __int__

[weak jasper]

ohh okk

[swift sparrow]

!e

class Foo:

    def __int__(self):
        return 123


f = Foo()
print(int(f))

[edgy kraken]

:white_check_mark: Your 3.14 eval job has completed with return code 0.

123

[weak jasper]

ahh okk alright

[keen parcel]

hey everyone how's it going ?

[white knot]

its fine..

i am just scanning past my DSA and Algorithm Analysis coursework..

i really wanted to study these stuff seriously.. but i think i don't have much time for that

i don't like properly understand a recursive function and i already did like some questions on recurrence relations from my syllabus..

just studying the syllabus now...

[novel shell]

I personally avoid recursive functions and use an iterative alternative with a collections.deque instead because python doesn't support "proper tail calls" or "tail-call elimination" because the core team would rather preserve tracebacks for debugging

[white knot]

hm i dont understand much but yeah, you mean making your own stack.. ?

[kind thicket]

Besides the usual suspects (ex: factorial), you could try something fun:
Define a tree with operations like +-/* that take two children or numbers. And write a function that recursively compute the result

[novel shell]

although obviously if your recursive solution would work with tail-call elimination you don't need a collections.deque

[fickle ivy]

Hello everyone

[white knot]

hm not good with trees either.. how would you like make trees is it like making a linked list..?

[novel shell]

yeah making your own stack, it used to be that collections.deque could grow much larger than the python stack. In python 3.11+ the call stack can be configured to be able to grow arbitrarily large

[kind thicket]

okay, then take a step back and wait a bit until you get more familar with them

[kind thicket]

that's besides the point when someone is trying to learn about trees and recursion

[white knot]

okk

[kind thicket]

trees are like https://www.geeksforgeeks.org/python/trees-in-python/

[white knot]

yea thats what i was trying to say i wanted to like understand these data structures. we had some introduction to trees and graphs but it was more like theoritcal

[novel shell]

trees and recursion go hand in hand

[kind thicket]

nice!
They are fun concepts to learn and play with!

[white knot]

what is like a AVL tree self balancing tree. i see them next

in algorithm analysis

[kind thicket]

these are trees that can maintain order

[white knot]

oh ok

[kind thicket]

a frequent pattern is to split the space in two (left vs right child). And imagine you keep adding data to it, you want that order to be maintained while keeping the tree balanced

[abstract vigil]

I have a question
In C text characters are changed to ASCII (numbers)
So characters have a corresponding number in ASCII

I assume numbers like 10 have a different ASCII value

There is an infinite set of positive integers. Does thag mean there exists what I will call a "more" infinite set of ASCII Characters to cover up those numbers

[white knot]

hm

[white knot]

"10" dont have ascii "1" and "0" does

in "10"

not integer 10

integer is converted to binary

[abstract vigil]

Ahh I see. I have been pondering this for quite sometime now

[white knot]

ascii is for character strings

[abstract vigil]

Noted

[granite wyvern]

A C string is an array of char, with a NUL (zero) byte indicating the end of the string, and each char indicating a character. Chars are bytes.
The C string "abc" occupies 4 bytes: 97, 98, 99, 0.

There's only 255 nonzero values, which constrains a C string to some 8 bit character set.

There's a wchar_t type for a wider range; may have misspelled this.

Most modern systems use Unicode strings for text, which aims to cover every human language.

Some, like Python, use Unicode code points. Some encode code points directly, often as UTF8, like Go.

[dire shale]

I had a blast writing unicode decoders

I wanted to make the most performant one possible. After a great deal of consideration, I learned that you really do get better performance from a branching decoder with normal human language, thanks to branch prediction

[abstract vigil]

Thanks for taking your time to write this

I have another question tho.
If I type hello,world in my text editor,it immediately intpreted to ascii?

[dire shale]

You'll need to be more specific

[abstract vigil]

In C ofc

[dire shale]

What "your text editor" sees and displays isn't the same as what the python interpreter see's and displays

As well, it depends on the encoding. A text file is just a sequence of bytes. How you interpret those bytes is a matter of convention, and choice. Nearly every modern tool is going to be using Unicode, though

[white knot]

hm idk much about how it works but.. a keyboard is an IO device. so there would be some drivers. and your text editor would probably communicate to it through OS. i assume there would be some buffer or something.

to store these

so it might be converted immediately i think

[abstract vigil]

I see. The deeper the rabbit hole get,the more fun I have

[white knot]

or if its not then, the display device won't be able to show the change obviously.

[proud seal]

Hi, can anyone help me out with how I can use python programming in civil engineering?

[white knot]

i am not sure am just saying what i think might happen

[dire shale]

This is a bit like asking "how can I use a hammer in construction"

[proud seal]

XD

[abstract vigil]

Depends on what task

[dire shale]

More specifically: you don't learn python to engage in an industry. You learn the industry, and you learn to use Python (among many, many other tools) along the way

[white knot]

oh like u use it for making 3d graphics?

like engineering graphics

[proud seal]

Kinda. Like I want to use it to figure out how long will my construction lasts

[white knot]

hm i think u should share more about the problem you are trying to solve

[proud seal]

Like I created a building with some materials but I want to know that how long will gonna hold that building up in a good shape with that material until the materials used ran lifetime

[white knot]

maybe you could make some algorithm or something. but you need to be like sure about all the parameters and how does it affect the building

[proud seal]

I see

[simple willow]

Would it be possible to make a past paper tracker in Python - like when it question per question scores for each question where a user enters a score and it gives them feedback for their score and what topics to revise?

[pallid garden]

heh

a long long time ago we made an app for a competition and that was what i did (in js, but same idea)

-# we won btw

[simple willow]

I am thinking of using a web front end, a python backend (maybe Google and Microsoft login in) and a database in SQL Server Studio

[grim moss]

So I only just got the news that apparently programmers are effectively losing their jobs en-masse as AI takes over. And that the ones who survive are basically just babysitting the LLM while it does most of the work. Anyone able to ring in with what's actually going on?

[pallid garden]

sounds pretty good

[simple willow]

I don't know if I have the skills to do it though

[half pewter]

AI code is trash

[pallid garden]

oh yea totally, dont learn programming at all, absolutely dont learn any coding at all, only vibe code and dont check the output, definitely do not learn programming to check the LLM output

[inland karma]

good morning

[simple willow]

morning!

[grim moss]

I mean I'd imagine that it is. I don't think an AI would care to comment their code, which means that trying to debug it and figure out what's going on would be an absolute nightmare.

[pallid garden]

make sure you do not learn programming until at least after I get a job

[grim moss]

I pray you're being sarcastic.

[half pewter]

they'll approximate strings of text for whatever purpose you tell them too, but ultimately they will always be approximations. stop getting your news from executives

[simple willow]

The most I can currently do is make very very simple #functions

[grim moss]

Plus the idea that all you do is sign off on whatever slop the AI puts out, and if something goes wrong it comes down on YOUR head?

[pallid garden]

and if something goes right AI gets the credit!

[thorn hedge]

well u wont get better if u dont try anything harder

[pallid garden]

amazing!

[simple willow]

i know...

[grim moss]

Exactly!! It sounds absolutely asanine!!

[pallid garden]

not the authors of the repos that the AI companies stole to train their model, no no

clearly the model wrote the code

totally not stolen from human-written repos

[dry pike]

Send help I'm stuck awake

[grim moss]

That's why I wanted to figure out what's actually going on with the whole debacle. And whether or not AI taking over the job market was true or not.

[pallid garden]

sudo systemctl sleep

[dry pike]

what OS is that

[half pewter]

in a sense, but when the bubble pops it wont just be IT jobs that will be effected

[grim moss]

From the sounds of things its a train full of TNT on a collision course with a dumpster fire

[pallid garden]

it's not a distro, it's systemd apparently https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Power_management/Suspend_and_hibernate#High_level_interface_(systemd)

[dry pike]

my brain doesn't run Linux

[pallid garden]

everything runs linux

[dry pike]

my brain isn't currently running Linux

[grim moss]

Like when the AI bubble pops, what happens to all those programmers that got laid off, or told to just check for bugs and syntax errors?

[half pewter]

you could just punch yourself in the face really hard

works on computers too

[dry pike]

I consumed some sleepy things and they didn't do the sleepy

so now's it's 2:30 in the morning

[pallid garden]

when the AI hard codes a interpreter for a programming language, do you think it's possible to just check for bugs and syntax errors?

[half pewter]

no one can see the future

[pallid garden]

this is not a strawman argument btw

someone actually showed up to this discord with an interpreter written by LLM

and i kid you not, the interpreter uses regex to parse each line of code

[half pewter]

that's fun

[grim moss]

I'm just spooked that if I go through the trouble to learn python, I'm signing up to just babysit an artificial brain.

Because that sounds like a soulsucking hell.

[pallid garden]

well you are definitely signing up for a soulsucking hell of people with absolutely no technical knowledge trying to tell you how to do your job when you know programming and they don't

[teal hare]

whats the best way to learn python and more precisly (backend dev)

[grim moss]

No I get that, I know that's par for the course. I just want to know if a bug exists, its my fault, not the cookie-cutter AI's creation.

I want to know I'm still pouring my soul into my creations, not signing off or checking on something bound to explode.

[inland karma]

if you want to have no ai bugs, dont use AI

[pallid garden]

please do not pour your soul into your creations, you can pour your blood, sweat and tears, but not your soul please, you will end up as an eternal ghoul forever doomed to roam the earth without peace

[grim moss]

Its the damned headlines claiming AI can just make entire programs from scratch and all programmers are doomed to just sign off on whatever it makes.

[thorn hedge]

no one is forcing u to use ai
its a tool and it makes writing things faster

[surreal knot]

makes writing bugs faster too

[inland karma]

do you trust that media knows what they are talking about?

[pallid garden]

cue the shencomix "1000 calculations per second AND THEY ARE ALL WRONG" meme

[grim moss]

Spooks someone prepping for a career that said career is taking a short drive off a cliff.

[inland karma]

this is not the first time we have had this, will not be the last. this is just the first time you have heard about it

[grim moss]

....... All of this because I asked Gemini and GPT. Which are just checking headlines themselves...

I feel like an absolute baboon.

Worrying for an hour only to be reminded "When has this ever been right?

[inland karma]

if the world where only filled with expertice, then you would loose because you do not have experience

you need people with experience

[pallid garden]

Create a store in a production line with

> add store --production-line-name Cookies
```bringing the topic back to programming, for people who use clis predominantly, do you think this command is too long?

[surreal knot]

you could have a short flag alias

[pallid garden]

like -line

[nimble isle]

are tuples any faster than lists if I only need an immutable array?

[pallid garden]

probably

[pallid garden]

insignificant difference in python

[inland karma]

in what context? lookups?

[nimble isle]

map()

[inland karma]

so lookup, no they are the same

[half pewter]

notice how they're not saying that AI will replace <insert any repetitive job> in other industries... the headlines are just clickbait really, if the product were what is promised SWE jobs would still be necessary and AI would be taking care of all things administrative... people associate AI with SWE though so that's their marketing pitch

[nimble isle]

is map(int,(input(),input())) any faster than map(int,[input(),input()])
So no then.

[inland karma]

indexing in both cases are O(1)

[half pewter]

the conversation moved on without me 🙁

[pallid garden]

i read it

[nimble isle]

might as well use a tuple if I'm not mutating it though

[pallid garden]

i think you're right

[inland karma]

yeah, that is a good idea

[pallid garden]

in a cli is list production_line better or list production-line better?

in your opinion

not argument btw, subcommand

[inland karma]

⁨-⁩ is easier to type

[pallid garden]

ok

[thorn hedge]

I havent had that many recently

[surreal knot]

that you've noticed :^

[fervent matrix]

I have finally found the usefulness of writing tests, I refactored a bunch of code and the tests passed, no need for too much manual testing

I should have done this so much earlier...

[fossil steeple]

class pre_chosen_args:
    def __init__(self, func) -> None:
        print("init")
        self.func = func
        self.args = None
        self.kwargs = None

    def __call__(self, *args, **kwargs):
        if self.args == None and self.kwargs == None:
            self.args = args
            self.kwargs = kwargs
            return self

        self.kwargs.update(kwargs) # pyright: ignore[reportCallIssue, reportArgumentType]
        print(self.kwargs)
        self.func(*(list(self.args) + list(args)), **self.kwargs) # pyright: ignore[reportArgumentType]

@pre_chosen_args
def heal(amount: int, user:str):
    print(f"healed {user} for {amount} hp")
    return "working"

I've got like this pre chosen arguments for a function thing

[cosmic scaffold]

Can anyone tell me how can I download pandas in phone?

[strange girder]

generally speaking the way to get an almost-proper python interpreter on phone is Termux

no idea if pandas will work. prooobably yes?

[cosmic scaffold]

Some guy said yes but when I try in termux atleast 3 or 4 time it's stuck

[fossil steeple]

class Potions:
LESSER_POTION_OF_HEALING = Potion("Lesser Potion of Healing", "Heals for 10 hp", used=potions_effects.heal(amount=10))
GREATER_POTION_OF_HEALING = Potion("Greater Potion of Healing", "Heals for 50 hp", used=potions_effects.heal(amount = 50))

but when i do this i get an error

File "c:\tmp\rox\storage\python_programs\xorp\main.py", line 25, in Potions
GREATER_POTION_OF_HEALING = Potion("Greater Potion of Healing", "Heals for 50 hp", used=potions_effects.heal(amount = 50))
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~^^^^^^^^^^^^^
File "c:\tmp\rox\storage\python_programs\xorp\potions_effects.py", line 16, in call
self.func(*(list(self.args) + list(args)), **self.kwargs) # pyright: ignore[reportArgumentType]
~~~~~~~~~^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
TypeError: heal() missing 1 required positional argument: 'user'

[fervent matrix]

The .heal seems to expect you to pass user there?

[hoary scaffold]

My heart is filled only with true love for you; only because I love you do I need to think about anything else...

@verbal wedge

[cerulean ravine]

this will be easier to read if you link to a pastebin with the code.

[vapid mural]

Do you think that i am impacting readability by using walrus and intersection validation in the expression?

class KeyboardInputSystem(esper.Processor):
    def process(self) -> None:
        for entity, rki in esper.get_component(ReceiveKeyboardInput):
            if pressed := keyboard.get_pressed() & rki.keys:
                esper.add_component(entity, KeyPressed(pressed))

            if released := keyboard.get_released() & rki.keys:
                esper.add_component(entity, KeyReleased(released))

I personally think its not that hard to read it but idk

[pallid garden]

it's fine, for me

[vapid mural]

i know i could put the interseciton in the variables and than do the check

[slate moon]

Might depend who is looking at your code, but ig that people should be able to guess the operator precedence here

[visual juniper]

it is the lack of spacing everywhere except between those two ifs is what makes me uneasy

[vapid mural]

Where do you need more spacing?

Im trying to follow the pep rules the ones that i learned, so please, if you know any that i missed, let me know, im open to learn new things

[wise yarrow]

personally I usually use lists because it's nice to have something other than parentheses
but that's personal preference

[vast burrow]

how can I code MCMC?

[slate moon]

markov chain monte carlo?

[jade robin]

"too bored of parentheses" is definitely a reason of all time

[wise yarrow]

well not too bored

[vast burrow]

yes

[wise yarrow]

if you have 4 layers of parens it's nice to turn that into like 2 layers of parens, a square bracket, and then a paren

[pallid garden]

cursed to write lisp for the rest of eternity

[slate moon]

what probability distribution?

[pallid garden]

lispurgatory

[vast burrow]

bell curve

[slate moon]

does it have to be MCMC? Usually i would just box muller transform

[vast burrow]

@slate moon okay

[slate moon]

assuming that bell curve = normal distribution

[vast burrow]

yes

[slate moon]

yeah then box muller is usually the way to go

unless the aim is practicing MCMC

[fossil steeple]

https://paste.pythondiscord.com/IGOQ
https://paste.pythondiscord.com/JDFA
it's basically meant to let me pick args and then be able to overwrite them later so we can have like set types of healing potions and stuff

[cerulean ravine]

showing the error again could be helpful. Is prechosen_args like functools.partial?

[fossil steeple]

what's that npw

File "c:\tmp\rox\storage\python_programs\xorp\main.py", line 25, in Potions
    GREATER_POTION_OF_HEALING = Potion("Greater Potion of Healing", "Heals for 50 hp", used=potions_effects.heal(amount = 50))
                                                                                            ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~^^^^^^^^^^^^^
  File "c:\tmp\rox\storage\python_programs\xorp\potions_effects.py", line 16, in __call__
    self.func(*(list(self.args) + list(args)), **self.kwargs) # pyright: ignore[reportArgumentType]

see what i think is happening when i set it up the first time with lesser potion of healing, the prechosen args are set, so then i think i'm tryna call it the second time

[fossil steeple]

but i just don't know how to fix that

[cerulean ravine]

have you seen functools.partial?

[fossil steeple]

yeah i'm searhcing it up one second

sort of yeah

basically i want to:

LESSER_POTION_OF_HEALING = Potion("Lesser Potion of Healing", "Heals for 10 hp", used=...)
    GREATER_POTION_OF_HEALING = Potion("Greater Potion of Healing", "Heals for 50 hp", used=potions_effects.heal(amount = 50))

make it so that lesser heals 10 and greater heals 50

[tawdry mulch]

hi chat

im kinda a new learner so i was wondering if anyone wanna have a look at smth i made for no reason?

its 50 line i dont think i can put it here tho

import pickle
import time
file = ("Storage.txt")
while True:
  op = input("""What do you want to do?
  1. Create new note
  2. Clear all note
  3. Show all notes
  4. Exit\n""")
  if op == ("1"):
    try:
        fileobj = open(file, 'rb')
        ls = pickle.load(fileobj)
        fileobj.close
    except:
        ls = []
    note = input("Add a note to store: ")
    ls.append(note)
    fileobj = open(file, 'wb')
    pickle.dump(ls, fileobj)
    fileobj.close
    print("Your file has been saved succesfully.")
  elif op == ("2"):
    ls = []
    fileobj = open(file, 'wb')
    pickle.dump(ls, fileobj)
    fileobj.close
    print("All notes have been deleted")
  elif op == ("3"):
    try:
      fileobj = open(file, 'rb')
      ls = pickle.load(fileobj)
      fileobj.close
      if len(ls) == 0:
        print("You do not have any notes stored yet")
      else:
        print("\n", ls)
    except:
      print("You do not have any notes saved yet.")
  elif op == ("4"):
    print("Commencing shut down...")
    time.sleep(1)
    print("Saving files...")
    time.sleep(0.5)
    print("Files saved.")
    break
  else:
    print("Invalid operation.")
# I added the countdown just for fun.
# By Sahil```

-# Honestly I don't think I can still make it without occasionally checking out yt and stuff

[autumn forge]

looks good, but when closing a file, you need to call the close method (with parentheses). fileobj.close on its own doesn't actually do anything. You could also consider using open with the with keyword so the closing happens automatically (there are examples of this here: https://docs.python.org/3.14/tutorial/inputoutput.html#tut-files)

You also don't need the parentheses around string literals (if op == ('1'):); if op == '1': also works

[round storm]

hi there

[autumn forge]

you usually want to avoid using "bare" excepts (i.e., when you don't specify what type of exception that you expect to be raised)

[round storm]

wanted to ask guys what should i learn first in python i wanna learn code

[visual phoenix]

I'm beginerr and starting python can any expert give any suggestion please which should I avoid or which should I do .?

[round storm]

same please

[bold compass]

Learn machine code

WAYY easier than Python

or how about Malbolge REALLY easy too

[fervent matrix]

• Automate the Boring Stuff is a really good book for complete beginners and it's free to read online:
• If you prefer to watch video tutorials Corey Schafer's playlist is also really good
• I also recommend Harvard’s free online course CS50P: Introduction to Programming with Python
• Python Programming MOOC 2025 is an alternative online course with lots of integrated practice problems you can do directly in the browser

[bold compass]

dont take his advice instead learn Machine code or Malbolge

[pallid garden]

please dont troll

[fervent matrix]

I'd pick one those to get started

[bold compass]

super easy stuffs man

[round storm]

bruh im lost

pls be serious

[fervent matrix]

@round storm

[bold compass]

Learn malbolge it is the basic requirements for coding like !print is easy there or if you wanna be a bit more complex learn Machine code @round storm

[pallid garden]

<@&831776746206265384> #python-discussion message #python-discussion message #python-discussion message #python-discussion message #python-discussion message

it's not the first time you have sent troll messages

[bold compass]

''whatever helps me'' ahh comment

[inland karma]

whats going on here

[round storm]

he is jking ??

[bold compass]

Nah man the first time i learned machine code its easy

[round storm]

okkk thank you brother

[swift sparrow]

!mute 1349011248989208709 1d trolling messages are not appreciated here

[edgy kraken]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied timeout to @bold compass until <t:1770641889:f> (1 day).

[round storm]

who i should listen to

[wind plinth]

prob not the guy who got muted

[pallid garden]

this is good

[pallid garden]

i personally recommend the 3rd one in that list, but the others are good too

[inland karma]

a good book is perfect to get you started

[round storm]

okay thanks

tysm all ❤️‍🔥

[valid robin]

Guys can you tell me what type of project should I build using python for data science??

[mossy sigil]

[runic flower]

what are your interests?

Also, good morning everyone!

[slow rivet]

Morning!

[frail scaffold]

How do l read the book automate the boring stuff with python?

[frail scaffold]

Build projects that target specific skills. Check out data camp there are plenty of projects right there

[runic flower]

it's free on his website.

[frail scaffold]

Is it a nice book and do you guys recommend it?

[runic flower]

it's an interesting approach, it assumes you're not a programmer and want to be able to write useful things as fast as possible.

[frail scaffold]

Have you read it?

[runic flower]

it's generally considered to be very good.

[pastel sluice]

I have read it, although I came to it after I already knew Python. It's recommended regularly for good reason

[runic flower]

Not much (just enough to help people), but I've chatted with the author, and helped a lot of people with the problems in it.

[frail scaffold]

Okay it will be on my bucket list

[frail scaffold]

Nice really cool

[harsh swallow]

I like how the book tried to make you actually try and play with the code... But I've met enough newbies here who still don't do that - they skim the text and jump straight into exercises and get confused what they need to do...

But i haven't followed the book myself, just read some parts out of curiosity how it explains stuff

[timid ember]

Is there any way to speed up small matrix (3x3) and vectors ops (cross and dots)? I am performing only a 1-2 dozen at 2000hz, and i think numpy isnt great at speeding up small arrays

reason is i am performing möller-trumbore/havel-herout ray triangle intersection, and i need to make this function fast

[runic flower]

raw python frequently is faster than numpy on very small data. have you tried that?

[slow rivet]

Have you considered, and I know it's a meme, but just not using python? Seems your task is very CPU heavy and depending on it's exact shape a language with better multi threading support might really help

[timid ember]

Im using cython now

[pallid garden]

pytor-

[half pewter]

tap into cuda for your tic tac toe app lol

[pallid garden]

sounds like a very gpu-ish problem

[half pewter]

could be a portfolio project

[runic flower]

are you trying to do this yourself or are you open to looking at packages that have functions for möller-trumbore/havel-herout ray triangle intersection ?

[timid ember]

I would be fine with that but i would like to write the code myself because i am not using this for raycasting scenes or graphics

[pastel sluice]

a note about using Cython:
the fewer times you call out to Cython from Python, the better the performance is going to be. if you are calling into Cython 100 times for the sake of going over 100 different objects, it's best to provide all the objects to Cython in a container, call Cython once, and have the iteration over the objects done on the Cython side

[timid ember]

Im planning on doing everything computr heavy in pure cython, no calls out.

[half pewter]

the reason people use gpus for vectorized computations has nothing to do with graphics but it's a bit of a moot point if you're not using numpy

[soft coral]

Does cython have more overhead than regular Python functions?

Its compiled beforehand no?

[pastel sluice]

it's more that calling into a Cython function from Python incurs a CFFI overhead, so you want to make each call as worth it as possible.

calls between Cython functions, if they are written as C functions, will happen at C speed

[runic flower]

googling is getting me a lot of ai written answer that say use python for Möller–Trumbore and then write a c module for the Havel–Herout. Which seems to be about expected. =/

[soft coral]

Ah alright, good to know

[severe sage]

This is absolutely a weird question, but is there any particular reason for clearing a widget to just nuke some object that has almost nothing to do with it before that object even exists? This is maddening and anywhere I put the clear either does nothing at all or self-destructs because it randomly destroys part of a path.

[soft coral]

Was planning on reading a book about cython

Been using it for some efficient data loading code for a ML model

[timid ember]

Cdef functions are transpiled to C

[pastel sluice]

there's only a couple of them out there, and I think they haven't been revised recently - I don't think they talk about the "pure Python" syntax that is now the recommended way to use Cython (unless you're calling extern functions)

[runic flower]

What's the context.

[soft coral]

Hmm

[timid ember]

If you dont use the gil and dont call capi then it just a c func

[soft coral]

I also saw jinja like syntax, where you have .pyx.tp which seemed kinda scuffed lol

Sklearn uses it

[timid ember]

i shouldve written my other projects in C and just used cython to port them. Instead i did a massive extern block.

[runic flower]

another library you might look at is if numba gives you a sufficient speed up to make it worth using.

[timid ember]

Numba can unroll matrix ops into scalars?

i mightve misread that from somwhere

But that would be great instead of manually unrolling my code into 27 scalars

[runic flower]

it was all magic to me, but I got some rediculous speed out of it a couple years ago.

[severe sage]

My bad. Trying to make a color palette editor for a game, and I need to clear the palette menu when a new character or skin is selected to refill it with only the ones belonging to what was selected. But somehow, clearing that seemingly also pre-emptively destroys the palette that was just loaded and the program dies because it needs that to assemble a path to a JSON to pull colors from.

[soft coral]

Seems all cython books are old af indeed :/

[runic flower]

Ah sorry. sounds more like something specific to what you've been working on. Maybe make a copy so they're separate entities and take a look at what is happening as you debug it?

[frail scaffold]

OOh so there is one with actuall projects because this is the most importtant thing

[silver plover]

The cython devs are pretty responsive on github issues and their mailing lists.

[frail scaffold]

Guys how do you people find github repos with nice projects

[silver plover]

https://groups.google.com/g/cython-users?pli=1 for instance

[pallid garden]

github repos with nice projects?

[soft coral]

Found a book that covers it: Fast Python: Write Efficient Code with Cython, Concurrency, and More, from 2023

[pallid garden]

each github repo tends to be one project

[soft coral]

Id rather read a book and then use it in practice.

[severe sage]

I'm not sure I even can do anything to debug it besides adding a bunch of prints, which is an enormous pain. Every IDE specifically for Python that I've tried complains about being unable to find PyQt6 and I can't point any of them to my Python installed with Homebrew on the off chance that somehow fixes it.

[frail scaffold]

Yeah but even the one thing do you just search up the niche or?

[silver plover]

Consider reading https://cython.readthedocs.io/en/latest/ like a book

[soft coral]

Hmm, ill see if I can download to my ereader :p

[pallid garden]

i guess yea, if i need something i just search "github <thing im looking for>"

[frail scaffold]

ooh year makes sense

[white knot]

Like for contribution?

[frail scaffold]

so you can build it

[white knot]

Use it or contribute to it?

Or take inspiration to build your thing

[pallid garden]

"build" is a technical term btw

[frail scaffold]

wdym

[pallid garden]

you build something when you take the source code and compile it

[gleaming marten]

I dont think thats what they mean

[pallid garden]

the word you were looking for was probably develop

or "contribute to"

(not a word, i know)

[kind bolt]

Im starting to learn python does anyone know a good place to learn it?

[white knot]

!res

[edgy kraken]

Resources

The Resources page on our website contains a list of hand-selected learning resources that we regularly recommend to both beginners and experts.

[turbid valley]

guys i have question

ive been making the discord bot but i keep running into a problem with the shop thing

i am trying to merge gta heists like !cayo perico and other everything worked untill i needed to set !buy stuff command

cause i needed to make different categories but still !buy command only works with 1 category

ill send the code,also i havent worked on it for almost a year so yeah

[bold light]

suree

[fossil steeple]

functools.partial is very useful

[white knot]

What's the use

[turbid valley]

class Shop(commands.Cog):
def init(self, bot):
self.bot = bot

# Prices for roles
item_prices = {
    "master grinder": 100000000,  # 100 million
    "supreme grinder": 70000000,  # 70 million
    "major grinder": 50000000    # 50 million
}

# Role IDs mapped to roles
role_ids = {
    "master grinder": 1333016781782253672,
    "supreme grinder": 1333016913202249749,
    "major grinder": 1333016979950538783
}

[edgy kraken]

Hey @turbid valley!

Please edit your message to use a code block

```py
print('Hello, world!')
```

This will result in the following:

print('Hello, world!')```

[turbid valley]

its one category for the roles

[fossil steeple]

i've got a game and there's different types of healing potions so i can make one that heals 50 and one that heals 10

[fossil steeple]

USE THE BACKTICKS

[turbid valley]

the other is for cars,utilites like apartments (which are required for heists) and other stuff

[white knot]

!d functools.partial

[edgy kraken]

functools.partial

functools.partial(func, /, *args, **keywords)```
Return a new [partial object](https://docs.python.org/3/library/functools.html#partial-objects) which when called will behave like *func* called with the positional arguments *args* and keyword arguments *keywords*. If more arguments are supplied to the call, they are appended to *args*. If additional keyword arguments are supplied, they extend and override *keywords*. Roughly equivalent to...

[pallid garden]

step bro, caps lock stuck

[turbid valley]

no it runs smoothly just shop py makes me problem

and !buy command

can i send an image?

[fossil steeple]

no as in strucutre your code like this:

code

not this
code

[pallid garden]

open a #1035199133436354600 thread

you can paste images in there

[fossil steeple]

yeah ik

[turbid valley]

how do i make it like that

[fossil steeple]

so put three of these at the start and end of your code: `

[turbid valley]

can i dm you?

[fossil steeple]

no

[frail scaffold]

!res

[edgy kraken]

Resources

The Resources page on our website contains a list of hand-selected learning resources that we regularly recommend to both beginners and experts.

[frosty plinth]

bro what java even useful for

[white knot]

I see,but i don't understand why not just give different parameters

And separate calls

[white knot]

java is simple and powerful

[grand bough]

Can someone help, basically I know like a good amount of python but I dnt know what project is gonna be best for me and it is overwhelming

[frosty plinth]

so like websites? what ab javascript tho and should i just learn c++ since it has way more uses especially for software

[edgy kraken]

Kindling Projects

The Kindling projects page contains a list of projects and ideas programmers can tackle to build their skills and knowledge.

[grand bough]

Omg ty

[frosty plinth]

honestly i dont rly wanna do web dev unless im using ai to print out the css and html for me

i prefer the actual like coding part thats not for the looks

i already know python

[pallid garden]

i wonder why people are so afraid of frontend

[white knot]

I like html css and i spend hours debugging a simple issue

[pallid garden]

[pallid garden]

[white knot]

Its so fun....😭

[hidden kestrel]

[pallid garden]

i think this might be a curse-of-knowledge thing for me

[turbid valley]

ive uploaded

[hidden kestrel]

you cannot eat money ohno

[frosty plinth]

i mean idk i cant even host a site without money

[turbid valley]

https://discord.com/channels/267624335836053506/1470060827850833932

[gilded bane]

Hello, people! I'm @gilded bane, an amateur Python programmer, and I'm new to the server. It'd be highly appreciated if somebody could help me explore the server.

[white knot]

I started to use tailwind and i think it saves me some time but.. yk i spend hours trying to reiterate different styles and debugging in css

[frosty hedge]

click on the buttons in the sidebar and take a look around.

[hidden kestrel]

what's there to explore in the server
you can check the channels yourself

[fossil steeple]

!paste

[edgy kraken]

Pasting large amounts of code

So that everyone can easily read your code, you can paste it in this website:
https://paste.pythondiscord.com/

After pasting your code, save it by clicking the Paste! button in the bottom left, or by pressing CTRL + S. After doing that, you will be navigated to the new paste's page. Copy the URL and post it here so others can see it.

[runic flower]

You can host a site for no money.

[gilded bane]

Thanks, bro!

[gilded bane]

Thanks!

[fossil steeple]

https://paste.pythondiscord.com/FNWA
my potion inventory system is done pls criticise it

[turbid valley]

also does anyone have suggestion ,im gonna finish the discord bot and ive been doing it from scratch,

[white knot]

I am thinking of converting my old mobile phone into a server. But idk how hard will it be...

[frosty plinth]

oh where?

[pallid garden]

i find it funny that hosting a site can be done for free, but domains, something which does not require any cost at all, costs money

[frosty plinth]

what if i want my own domain

[gilded bane]

yeah true

[turbid valley]

do you think it has good specs for it?

[runic flower]

so far, the domain cost ($10) was the biggest expesnse I had in setting up a site. even the cloudflare tunnel was free.

[turbid valley]

also what kind of server

[pallid garden]

exactly!

[runic flower]

on any spare computer you have at home.

[white knot]

Yeah it should work but even if i got it working i think i have to plug it on every day and the battery may become a issue

[runic flower]

(not counting my internet cost which I was already paying)

[white knot]

web

[wind plinth]

don't bother, you'd get a super-locked down, minimalist, unreliable, resourceless weak arm machine which will have at most niche use cases

||forgot to mention you will need to either fight android to run executables or use some kind of virtual machine which will cut down your processing power further||

[white knot]

Ah

[runic flower]

also, you don't have to have your own domain, you can use your ip address or get a domain name that redirects to your ip address for free.

[white knot]

Yeah why do we pay for domain.
Just for like authenticity?

[runic flower]

brand recognition?
also by making them cost something it then requires some minimal effort so we don't get flooded with them.

[pallid garden]

ICANN administrative fees i think

[white knot]

Yah that might be an issue

[pallid garden]

the infrastructure cost is covered by the dns

the domain name in of itself doesnt incur any costs

[nimble isle]

you pay for https as well right?

for the certificate

[white knot]

No

We can setup ssl

on our server

[deep zenith]

𝙷𝚎𝚕𝚕𝚘 𝚙𝚎𝚎𝚙𝚜

[deep zenith]

𝙽𝚘

[nimble isle]

so the certificate is free then?

[deep zenith]

𝙳𝚎𝚙𝚎𝚗𝚍𝚜 𝚘𝚗 𝚠𝚑𝚎𝚛𝚎 𝚢 𝚑𝚘𝚜𝚝𝚎𝚍

[scenic talon]

guys

[nimble isle]

say github pages with a custom domain

[scenic talon]

where should one start to learn python in 2026

[deep zenith]

𝙶𝚎𝚝 𝚊 𝚋𝚘𝚘𝚔 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚜𝚝𝚊𝚛𝚝 𝚕𝚎𝚊𝚛𝚗𝚒𝚗𝚐

[scenic talon]

suggestion

[runic flower]

!resources is a good start, the courses are well rated

[edgy kraken]

Resources

The Resources page on our website contains a list of hand-selected learning resources that we regularly recommend to both beginners and experts.

[nimble isle]

Stop typing in monospace

[deep zenith]

𝙱𝚘𝚘𝚔?

[scenic talon]

yup

[deep zenith]

𝙿𝚢𝚝𝚑𝚘𝚗 𝚋𝚢 𝚜𝚞𝚖𝚒𝚝𝚊 𝚊𝚛𝚘𝚛𝚊

[deep zenith]

𝙽𝚘

𝙸 𝚊𝚖 𝚙𝚛𝚘𝚐𝚛𝚊𝚖𝚖𝚎𝚛

[nimble isle]

it makes you look like a robot

are you an AI?

[deep zenith]

𝙽𝚘

𝙸 𝚊𝚖 𝚗𝚘𝚝 𝚊𝚒 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚝𝚑𝚒𝚜 𝚒𝚜𝚗𝚝 𝚊 𝚝𝚞𝚛𝚒𝚗𝚐 𝚝𝚎𝚜𝚝

[fossil steeple]

https://paste.pythondiscord.com/FNWA
my potion inventory system is done pls criticise it

[scenic talon]

what is that

[warm girder]

mono space font

[deep zenith]

𝙻𝚘𝚕

[warm girder]

ones u might see in your terminal

[nimble isle]

Describe yourself using only colors and shapes.

[runic flower]

"I'll take things an AI would say for 500"

[deep zenith]

𝚃𝚑𝚊𝚝𝚜 𝚍𝚒𝚏𝚏𝚒𝚌𝚞𝚕𝚝

[nimble isle]

or in a code editor

[nimble isle]

Describe why time flies like an arrow but fruit flies like a banana?

[deep zenith]

𝙸 𝚊𝚖 𝚗𝚘𝚝 𝚊𝚒

𝙻𝚘𝚕

[nimble isle]

Answer the questions

[deep zenith]

𝚇𝙳

[nimble isle]

490

[warm girder]

indeed

[harsh swallow]

Stop typing in monospace because it's not accessible to basic screen readers.

[deep zenith]

C˟˚o˟˚o˟˚l˟˚

[nimble isle]

What about this?

[harsh swallow]

That's not a font. Font is a setting in an app. That is Unicode part for mathematical symbols

[warm girder]

readable it just goes in a codeblock

[nimble isle]

You're a codeblock

[warm girder]

true

[harsh swallow]

This is just formatting, the glyphs behind it are read normally

[deep zenith]

𝙻𝚘𝚕

[stable wolf]

hi everyon

[harsh swallow]

Oh, so you don't care about accessibility? You should read python's diversity statement then

[deep zenith]

𝚈𝚘𝚞 𝚐𝚞𝚢𝚜 𝚌𝚊𝚗𝚝 𝚝𝚢𝚙𝚎 𝚕𝚒𝚔𝚎 𝚝𝚑𝚒𝚜

[runic flower]

𝒲𝑒 𝓈𝒽𝑜𝓊𝓁𝒹 𝓅𝓇𝑜𝒷𝒶𝒷𝓁𝓎 𝒽𝒶𝓋𝑒 𝒶 𝓇𝓊𝓁𝑒 𝒶𝑔𝒶𝒾𝓃𝓈𝓉 𝒶𝓁𝓉𝑒𝓇𝓃𝒶𝓉𝑒 𝒻𝑜𝓃𝓉𝓈.

[pallid garden]

let's stop spamming, especially in the monospace characters

[deep zenith]

𝚆𝚑𝚊𝚝 𝚒𝚜 𝚊𝚌𝚌𝚎𝚜𝚜𝚒𝚋𝚒𝚕𝚒𝚝𝚢