python-discussion

[mild sequoia]

If you want the index and the element wouldnt enumerate work?

[granite wyvern]

See: https://www.jetbrains.com/help/pycharm/select-path-dialog.html#main-functions

[brisk gazelle]

If you do not get an answer here, you may try poking around in #tools-and-devops.

https://stackoverflow.com/questions/23516219/pycharm-hide-files-by-pattern This seems to talk about hiding files. Maybe you'll see something useful. I don't know enough about PyCharm to be particularly useful.

[granite wyvern]

@gilded wolf ^^

[granite wyvern]

Looks like it's only for the file selector dialogue.

[brisk gazelle]

The element is known. What is not known is the maximum and minimum number of times an element may occur within the "array", which could be one of a number of different object types and whether we need to find all such indexes or just the first. enumerate may be applicable or not, depending.

[gilded wolf]

Thanks bud

[gilded wolf]

Wait letme check
Thankyouu

[brisk gazelle]

@shrewd lance What type of object is the array in question? Is it a list?

[velvet hull]

is _variable and __variable both private variables?If yes then why some places use __

[brisk gazelle]

Neither are private.

[granite wyvern]

They're both considered private because they begin with underscores. Just a naming convention.

The __variable one is subject to name mangling, intended to support subclassing.
When you use it in a class, it gets prefixed with the class name, so that the same __foo in dirrentent class attributes have distinct names.
This isn't used much.

[brisk gazelle]

The single prefixed underscore is a suggestion to the user-programmer "You probably shouldn't be using this directly. def _foo(): ...

As an affix, a single underscore can be used to avoid shadowing of particularly builtins.

[granite wyvern]

Where OpalMist is going is: Python doesn't prevent you accessing these variables. The name is just a hint to other programmers.

[brisk gazelle]

sum_ = ...

[charred siren]

I don't think OpalMist knows where OpalMist is going

[velvet hull]

yea when i use these variables in class arent they private variables?
from what u have said i think this is what u mean
_foo is probably used to show dont use this outside class
__foo has to do something with subclass

[granite wyvern]

Yes.

[chilly whale]

!e ```py
class Foo:
def init(self):
self._a = 1
self.__b = 2

f = Foo()
print(vars(f))

[edgy kraken]

:white_check_mark: Your 3.14 eval job has completed with return code 0.

{'_a': 1, '_Foo__b': 2}

[granite wyvern]

Read this section: https://docs.python.org/3/tutorial/classes.html#tut-private

[brisk gazelle]

The single prefix _ is something independent of classes.

Though it may still be used as you describe.

[chilly whale]

in a class named Foo, an attribute named __b is shorthand for _Foo__b

[pallid garden]

i just learnt this

[chilly whale]

and the reason that's useful is to allow a class that's being subclassed by different authors to easily have per-subclass attributes that won't conflict with the parent class's attributes or with other subclasses' attributes

[hearty olive]

Hello, everyone.

[charred siren]

imo __foo is a pita and doesn't belong in python

[granite wyvern]

You're welcome to not use it. Many do not.

[chilly whale]

it's not commonly useful, it's a workaround for a problem that most people don't have

[velvet hull]

i was learning getters and setters and @property or smt which are ways to access the private variable in case ig,
tho we can get and set variables like print(p.email) or p.email = "hh" we dont do that but use the 2 methods of getting and setting ig

[charred siren]

just let me monkey patch whatever I want without obscuring it further smh

[velvet hull]

will read 👍

[charred siren]

my issue comes from libraries that use it

[granite wyvern]

Really? They're "private" attributes. Do they affect you?

[hearty olive]

Right now, I found out about the @property decorator, too! It makes creating getters in Python so much better. I wish I knew about this decorator sooner.

[velvet hull]

like u found about this on my message?

[granite wyvern]

Remember that a property wants to look like an attribute.

• O(1) instant access, usually
• probably doesn't change
  Just guidelines.

[charred siren]

single underscore is fine then, it gets the point across

[visual juniper]

getters allow you to get directly relevent info . Lets say you have a clas that has a dict member, and whenever you "get" that variable , all you are looking for is a certain attribute from that dict , like name of person , you can write a getter to do that
setters allow you to do input validation , like make sure any invariants needed for that class are met and not allow any input that doesnt make sense, like not allowing setting a negative number for person's age

[chilly whale]

more relevantly, getters let you synthesize an attribute

[hearty olive]

No, I was writing a message about finding that out, and you sent your message. I think that it's a cool coincidence that we found out about the same thing at the same time.

[granite wyvern]

Birthday paradox.

[velvet hull]

nah my doubt is we can actually get and set without these methods but we use it for convention anyways?

[visual juniper]

i just told you how a getter/setter can have different functionality from just doing print(class.variable) or class.variable = value

[chilly whale]

class Square:
    def __init__(self, side_length):
        self.side_length = side_length

    @property
    def area(self):
        return self.side_length * self._side_length

    @property
    def perimeter(self):
        return 4 * self.side_length

[chilly whale]

no, you should only create a setter or a getter when you want to do something other than just set or just get the attribute.

[granite wyvern]

In python we often just access attributes directly. Pure OOP goes through getters and setters because of the separation of methods from the object internals.

We use @property and @....setter etc when we want some extra behaviour assoicated with something which, from outside, looks like an attribute.

[fiery yarrow]

do you seek to invoke the wrath of hettinger? a square class? a square?

[chilly whale]

it's fine as long as no one tries to put a Rectangle in the same program

[hearty olive]

Does it make sense for a property to be O(n) access sometimes? For example, what if the property is the sum of the elements in a list in the class?

[charred siren]

reject property, embrace setter functions for chainability /s

[chilly whale]

I've often said that I think the biggest problem with teaching OOP is that the examples that are small enough to be easily understood are too trivial to be useful, and thus make bad examples, and but the examples that make it clear why OOP is useful are more complex and aren't able to be understood without first understanding those basics

[chilly whale]

that should almost certainly be a method rather than a property

users expect property access to be fast, and doing an unbounded amount of work in a property defies user expectations

[granite wyvern]

Clearly then this is knowledge of which man is not meant to ken. Forbidden knowledge.

[granite wyvern]

If you get to do it once and then cache it? Maybe. If the list is always very short (eg your 3 items example). Yes. If it's potentially very long so that the O(n) matters, better as a method so that users' expectations are not misplaced.

[chilly whale]

or to put that slightly differently: by making it a method, you can convey extra information to the user that is helpful for them to have; namely that it is not as cheap as accessing an attribute

[velvet hull]

so we can access it anyhow we want.But pure oop uses getters and setters as convention.
and We use @property and @....setter etc when we want some extra behaviour assoicated with something which, from outside, looks like an attribute. ic ig i got it now

[chilly whale]

But pure oop uses getters and setters as convention.
I'd say that Java-style OOP uses getters and setters by convention. Python-style OOP does not

[hearty olive]

Thanks! That's good to know.

[chilly whale]

Python-style OOP doesn't need to, because @property and @x.setter allow a method to masquerade as an attribute

Java-style OOP uses getters and setters for everything just in case extra behavior needs to be added later. Python-style OOP doesn't need to use getters and setters for anything, because you can replace an attribute with a @property in the future without breaking your users

[velvet hull]

yea kind of my teacher is teaching java setter and getter in python as a traditonal way and then saying use @property instead .....

[chilly whale]

that's not the typical idiom in Python

you would typically use regular attributes until and unless you need specific extra functionality, at which point you would switch that attribute to a property

[hearty olive]

@chilly whale, why do think that it's more acceptable to have multiple classes in a single file in Python, while it's looked down on in Java?

[fiery yarrow]

sometimes people take practices from an old language to a new one, without considering that the new one is different 😔

[velvet hull]

🤷

[chilly whale]

that's enforced by the language. Java doesn't allow you to have two top-level classes in the same file.

[fiery yarrow]

is that still true?

[red plume]

hi, where can i ask for help on a project, like, in general?

[chilly whale]

last I heard, but I haven't written Java in a decade, so maybe my knowledge is outdated

[hearty olive]

You can ask for help in #1035199133436354600.

[opal gull]

java doesn't allow you to have more than one public class in a file

[red plume]

thank you

[hearty olive]

Although I'm aware that it's not allowed, I'm wondering about the reason that it's not allowed.

[opal gull]

if your file has more than one public class, it's doing too much

[fiery yarrow]

java kinda swiped the python change system and has JEPS. their influence has made modern java wild. anonymous classes and such things. it's probably somewhat unrecognizable to not just godly but me too

[zealous lion]

what a terrible take

[harsh anchor]

you can't have two public classes in one file in java

[opal gull]

in the context of java

[zealous lion]

oh

[velvet hull]

btw does name mangling a thing only for classes to make strict private variables or can it be used in other places maybe like a function or module uk

[hearty olive]

After all, if you have multiple classes that are closely related to each other and are short, isn't it better to have them all in one file?

[opal gull]

they should be in the same package

or at the very least, private classes in one file

[chilly whale]

name mangling applies to attributes and methods, but not to functions or modules

[craggy willow]

only for classes, but it's not for "strict" private variables/attributes --- it's for cases where you're afraid the attribute name may clash with a parent's or subclasses or something

[velvet hull]

ohh ok

[craggy willow]

like, it's fine to just prefix private attributes with _

[velvet hull]

✅

[opal gull]

if someone depends on your private attribute, it's their problem

[zealous lion]

as unpythonic as it sounds, I wouldn’t mind a better/real way to set private attributes. in cpython at least, it’s a common headache for us to break things downstream because people rely on our internals

[velvet hull]

.read for my own reference

[hearty olive]

I agree with that.

[craggy willow]

python's fault for having good internal tools

[velvet hull]

bye yall

[zealous lion]

it sometimes gets so bad that we just give in and turn something prefixed with _ into a public, documented interface

[chilly whale]

users being able to mess with every attribute of a class has occasionally forced me to make something into an extension class for no other reason than to have true privates, so I actually more or less agree with you

[opal gull]

when did that happen

[zealous lion]

there’s a bunch of things in sys off the top of my head

e.g. sys._getframe

[fiery yarrow]

i was about to mention codecs.escape_decode (and escape_encode) with a 🥺, but instead i shall hereby request you distribute several cookies to whoever decided to add it to the docs for 3.13+

[zealous lion]

thinking out loud, what if there were an unstable tier for python APIs? like sys._getframe could become sys.__unstable__.getframe. that way, we can expose helpful implementation details without actually committing to the maintenance burden. (we already do this in the C API with PyUnstable)

[craggy willow]

i think i've used random private functions in heapq

one of the siftdowns

or maybe something else, dunno

[granite wyvern]

Often.

[barren valley]

Yo how do I fix “ “await “ allowed only within asynic functions 5 times and continue can be used with in a loop errors?

[granite wyvern]

By making the function an async function.

[barren valley]

How?

[granite wyvern]

Unless you're trying to await nonasync things in a nonasync function.

[granite wyvern]

async def instead of just def

But it sounds like you may not be familiar with the async stuff.

[silver plover]

This seems related to the way everyone ignores depreciation warnings

[barren valley]

If is before it tho

[granite wyvern]

You will need to show the actual code.

[barren valley]

''' if await can_send_message(user_id, channel_id, db):
msg = await create_message(db, channel_id, user_id, processed["content"])
await manager.broadcast(channel_id, {
"user_id": user_id,
"content": processed["content"],
"timestamp": str(msg.timestamp)
})
else:
await websocket.send_json({"user_id": "system", "content": "You are not allowed to send messages here", "timestamp": ""})
from sqlalchemy.ext.asyncio import create_async_engine, AsyncSession
from app.utils.rate_limit import rate_limit
from app.utils.logging_utils import log_action

Rate limit before broadcasting

try:
rate_limit(user_id, limit=5, per_seconds=10)
except HTTPException as e:
await websocket.send_json({"user_id": "system", "content": str(e.detail), "timestamp": ""})
continue '''

This is the part I have errors on

[granite wyvern]

Go to the top of the function. Is it def or async def ?

[barren valley]

''' py @router.websocket("/ws/{channel_id}/{user_id}")
async def websocket_endpoint(websocket: WebSocket, channel_id: str, user_id: str, db: AsyncSession = Depends(get_db)):
await manager.connect(channel_id, websocket)
try:
while True:
data = await websocket.receive_text()
processed = await process_message(user_id, data)
if processed["allowed"]:
msg = await create_message(db, channel_id, user_id, processed["content"])
await manager.broadcast(channel_id, {
"user_id": user_id,
"content": processed["content"],
"timestamp": str(msg.timestamp)
})
else:
await websocket.send_json({"user_id": "system", "content": processed["content"], "timestamp": ""})
except Exception:
manager.disconnect(channel_id, websocket)
from app.config import DATABASE_URL
from app.security.permissions import can_send_message '''

[edgy kraken]

Hey @barren valley!

Please edit your message to use a code block

You are using the wrong character instead of backticks. Use ```, not '''.

Also, make sure there are no spaces between the back ticks and py. Make sure you put your code on a new line following py. There must not be any spaces after py.

Here is an example of how it should look:
```py
print('Hello, world!')
```

This will result in the following:

print('Hello, world!')```

[silver plover]

That's not where the error is from. Show the full error message

[barren valley]

@router.websocket("/ws/{channel_id}/{user_id}")
async def websocket_endpoint(websocket: WebSocket, channel_id: str, user_id: str, db: AsyncSession = Depends(get_db)):
await manager.connect(channel_id, websocket)
try:
while True:
data = await websocket.receive_text( processed = await process_message(user_id, data)
if processed["allowed"]:
msg = await create_message(db, channel_id, user_id, processed["content"] await manager.broadcast(channel_id, "user_id": user_id,
"content": processed["content"],
"timestamp": str(msg.timestamp)
})
else:
await websocket.send_json({"user_id": "system", "content": processed["content"], "timestamp": ""})
except Exception:
manager.disconnect(channel_id, websocket)
from app.config import DATABASE_URL
from app.security.permissions import can_send_message

Before broadcasting message

if await can_send_message(user_id, channel_id, db):
msg = await create_message(db, channel_id, user_id, processed["content"])
await manager.broadcast(channel_id, {
"user_id": user_id,
"content": processed["content"],
"timestamp": str(msg.timestamp)
})
else:
await websocket.send_json({"user_id": "system", "content": "You are not allowed to send messages here", "timestamp": ""})
from sqlalchemy.ext.asyncio import create_async_engine, AsyncSession
from app.utils.rate_limit import rate_limit
from app.utils.logging_utils import log_action

try:
rate_limit(user_id, limit=5, per_seconds=10)
except HTTPException as e:
await websocket.send_json({"user_id": "system", "content": str(e.detail), "timestamp": ""})
continue
log_action(f"Sent message in channel {channel_id}: {processed['content']}", user_id)
from fastapi import HTTPException, status
from app.security.permissions import can_send_message

[bronze dragon]

you need to use backticks [ ` ] and not single quotes [ ' ].
backtick is usually found above the Tab key on English keyboard layouts.

[silver plover]

!trace

[edgy kraken]

Traceback

Please provide the full traceback for your exception in order to help us identify your issue.
While the last line of the error message tells us what kind of error you got,
the full traceback will tell us which line, and other critical information to solve your problem.
Please avoid screenshots so we can copy and paste parts of the message.

A full traceback could look like:

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "my_file.py", line 5, in <module>
    add_three("6")
  File "my_file.py", line 2, in add_three
    a = num + 3
        ~~~~^~~
TypeError: can only concatenate str (not "int") to str

If the traceback is long, use our pastebin.

[barren valley]

"await" allowed only within async function Pylance [Ln 47, Col 4]
"await" allowed only within async function Pylance [Ln 48, Col 11]
x "await" allowed only within async function Pylance [Ln 49, Col 5]
x "await" allowed only within async function Pylance [Ln 55, Col 5]
x "await" allowed only within async function Pylance [Ln 64, Col 5]
"continue" can be used only
only within a loop Pylance [Ln 65, Col 5]

[silver plover]

What happens when you run the code?

[silver plover]

We don't know what line 44 is. But you're not showing us the right code. Use the pastebin, so we can see line numbers

!paste

[edgy kraken]

Pasting large amounts of code

If your code is too long to fit in a codeblock in Discord, you can paste your code here:
https://paste.pythondiscord.com/

After pasting your code, save it by clicking the Paste! button in the bottom left, or by pressing CTRL + S. After doing that, you will be navigated to the new paste's page. Copy the URL and post it here so others can see it.

[barren valley]

https://paste.pythondiscord.com/IJUA

[lament viper]

Hi I am just wondering, can Django be used with React?

[barren valley]

Yes, Django can be used very effectively with React

[lament viper]

But how does that work? How do you use templates with react?

[silver plover]

There's three blocks of code that make no sense where they are at the bottom. The 'continue' outside a loop, for instance.

[barren valley]

Line 67-70?

[silver plover]

That's one block, yes

[peak relic]

Its easier if you make Django serve API endpoint and then use React to consume that API

[barren valley]

Deleted

[lament viper]

OHH. So would react still be served using django? Or would react be served independantly?

[barren valley]

Delete continue or no?

[opal gull]

you can have it both ways, though the latter is simpler

[silver plover]

What are you trying to do with this code? Why is that continue there?

[warped sigil]

if you start passing around too many parameters do you group related ones into an object

[barren valley]

So Ifi added more code itll continue

[silver plover]

What?

[barren valley]

Honestly that didn't even make sense to me

[silver plover]

You're really trying to do something hard.

Async, discord bots, etc do require understand certain fundamentals (like loops and continue)

[barren valley]

I know but only have 19 errors that is kinda hard but easy

[craggy willow]

probably more errors as you fix the errors

[silver plover]

You don't have 19 errors, the entire thing appears to be wrong.

[barren valley]

The problems tab says 19

[silver plover]

The problems tab only tells you about syntax problems

"A purple elephant danced in my taco"

[barren valley]

Oh

[silver plover]

Might be a valid sentence, even if it makes no sense

[barren valley]

So how would icheck it run debugger

[silver plover]

Do one thing at a time, run it, review any errors, then do the next thing

[mild sequoia]

the next thing: rage

[silver plover]

against the machine, for sure

[barren valley]

So ignore the await errors and the others

[edgy shadow]

Can anybody come in help section

[bronze dragon]

what is an "away error"?

[barren valley]

Auto correct

The file is my web socket For the chat app

@silver plover found traceback

@warped sigil Wsp

[warped sigil]

there's no reason to type as List instead of list right

unless you're on an ancient python version

[hasty island]

Yeah

[barren valley]

Idk what to do rn

[warped sigil]

code a b2b yc backed ai saas

[barren valley]

l , jkhj/o;'

[silver plover]

Check out #python-discussion message

[barren valley]

For the errors?

https://discord.com/channels/267624335836053506/1455824349562011842

[cyan palm]

Hello snek world

[barren valley]

🥱🥱🥱🥱Wsp it’s like 1:36 am

For me

[hallow umbra]

Happy today's New Years Eve Day! I'm so excited for achieving a master's science degree in Computer Engineering!

[upbeat salmon]

Yay

[swift sandal]

Damn congrats

[random bison]

people be making naked pics of me with ai on insta is there any way to avoid this

do i just delete everything

[mild sequoia]

you can report it - that's about it

[random bison]

report to who

[mild sequoia]

whatever platform it is on.

[random bison]

thats not gonna stop them

[cyan palm]

cyber cell😑

[random bison]

who is that

[swift sandal]

As far as ik, if something is on the internet (leaked), you can’t completely delete it. Even if you try it. copies may already exist and it won’t truly be erased

[cyan palm]

file a complain to CyberCell of your country

[mild sequoia]

If you are a child in the United States you can make a report to the FBI's Child Exploitation Notification Program. https://www.fbi.gov/how-we-can-help-you/victim-services/cenp

[arctic folio]

Thats why people keep repeating ,
"what you upload will never be ereased"

[random bison]

im not a child

[cyan palm]

and privacy is a myth

[random bison]

on god ai ruined social media

[arctic folio]

Why what happend

[swift sandal]

Uhh is that epstein on ya pfp 😭

[arctic folio]

Social media was already ruined what are you on?

[random bison]

random people sending me my naked pics that i never shared

[swift sandal]

Exactly. It's just "loop"

[random bison]

made by ai

[mild sequoia]

I recommend moving to off topic since this is no longer Python.

[arctic folio]

Block button

or just delete tiktok insta snap whatever

[random bison]

bruh

🙏

[arctic folio]

What happend

[random bison]

u r right

[cyan palm]

bitter truth, but it can't be reversed

[arctic folio]

I quit social media half a year ago and my life became slightly better.

Its not good for you to doomscroll tiktok

[random bison]

is this even a cyber crime

making naked pictures with ai

[arctic folio]

Of real people ?

[random bison]

yes

[arctic folio]

at some point yes

but they dont care honestly

[mild sequoia]

If you are not a child then it is freedom of the artist's expression. There are multiple cases where this has happened. You can report the user on the platform where the images are being shared if you don't consent to the creation, but it is not a crime in most locations.

[arctic folio]

sad thing if you would want to report it you cant sue the software or the company only the user who sent you the pictures

[oblique copper]

why is OT more on topic than here lol

[mild sequoia]

This chat derails after 1:00 AM EST in most instances lol

[random bison]

it looks so real like if they send those to any of my family memeber or school friend they would beilive it no matter

[arctic folio]

Thats why you dont upload yourself to social media

You accepted a ToS tho

when registering

[mild sequoia]

Yes, but this happens to Linkedin members too lol.

[arctic folio]

Ai is not the future

at some point we will just forget it like a bad memory

[mild sequoia]

There's a legitimate Chollima deepfake campaign by APT Lazarus.

[random bison]

mah

ai will take over

[arctic folio]

nope

belive me

[random bison]

why would we forget it

i would never stop vibe coding

[arctic folio]

Coomer

[random bison]

lmao

[arctic folio]

Ai cant get better

[mild sequoia]

it's a cat & mouse game of standards & procedures. everything will catch up eventually

[woeful sky]

ok so with this script that i am tryna to use it just keep saying Traceback (most recent call last):
File "C:/Users/user/AppData/Local/Programs/Python/Python314-32/genscript.py", line 4, in <module>
import requests
ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'requests'

help me please 😭

[bronze dragon]

where did you get the script from? did you install requests?

[woeful sky]

no how do i do that im new to python

[random bison]

it seems like you dont have module named requests

[woeful sky]

and i got the script from a yt vid

[bronze dragon]

does the video not provide install instructions or anything?

[jade robin]

...hope it's a trusted source

[woeful sky]

no only the script bru

its for a gen

[jade robin]

python -m pip install requests on command line

[woeful sky]

generato

[woeful sky]

where do i put that

[random bison]

this script is going to reach his braincells and destroy them

[woeful sky]

im slow 😭

[random bison]

cmd dummy

[jade robin]

you're in windows, right? open terminal (search terminal in windows search)

[woeful sky]

dont call me that 💔 💔

kyes windows

[jade robin]

it'll give you a space to type, paste that command and press enter

[hasty island]

let's not be rude to people who aren't as technically inclined as you think they need to be

[random bison]

ok my bad

🙏

[woeful sky]

it says C:\Users\user>python -m pip install requests
Python was not found; run without arguments to install from the Microsoft Store, or disable this shortcut from Settings > Apps > Advanced app settings > App execution aliases.

[hasty island]

try py -m pip install requests instead

[jade robin]

^

[woeful sky]

ok

[hasty island]

also you should ideally not keep your project/script files in the same folder where python is installed

[woeful sky]

ok so ill move them

[random bison]

do you have pip installed?

[woeful sky]

almost

thanks for yall help fr tho 🙏

ok i have it downloaded

so i try the file again?

script*

now it says = RESTART: C:/Users/user/AppData/Local/Programs/Python/Python314-32/genscript.py @hasty island

[random bison]

restart

[woeful sky]

my pc?

[random bison]

idk

i think the script is working rn

[woeful sky]

k ty

[hasty island]

well, that doesn't look like an error, without knowing what the script does, I can't say what that means for sure, but restarting the pc is a good guess

[woeful sky]

the script is to generate nitro codes 😭 💔

[bright shoal]

[woeful sky]

😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭

[hasty island]

Yeah okay not something we're going to help with

And fair warning most nitro code generators you grab off the internet are most likely malware

[woeful sky]

👁️

[woeful sky]

ok sorry 😭 thanks for help tho

[bright shoal]

they're not lying

🗿

[woeful sky]

.... even if its a script

i aint download nothing

[hasty island]

What do you think malware is?

[woeful sky]

ik what it is

i watch vids on it

[bright shoal]

uh huh

[hasty island]

a. A script doesn't need to download anything to perform malicious stuff
b. Remember the requests library you installed? That can absolutely download stuff

[bright shoal]

what video did you get the script from?

[woeful sky]

ion got nothing that good on here tbh

[woeful sky]

ill send link in pms

[hasty island]

there's more that can be compromised than you would expect

[bright shoal]

• money is money

[hasty island]

And even a honest to god nitro code brute forcer is not going to fetch you valid codes in any reasonable amount of time

best case scenario you run the script to no avail, worst case scenario you end up with malware on your pc

[woeful sky]

this is a throwaway laptop i dont even have discord downloaded

😭

[bright shoal]

🗿

[bright shoal]

alright

[woeful sky]

dm me rq

[bright shoal]

unable

[woeful sky]

uhm lemme turn it on rq

try it

[bright shoal]

what even..

[woeful sky]

?

[bright shoal]

"HOW TO MAKE A DISCORD NITRO GENERATOR WITH CHATGPT (2025)"

😭

[woeful sky]

.....

[peak relic]

💀

[woeful sky]

😭

[kind thicket]

I was about to report this to the mods

[bright shoal]

crazy work

[woeful sky]

uhm so yea

[kind thicket]

I have a channel just for myself

[bright shoal]

Fortunately not malware, but the uploader does provide a Linkvertise URL to access the script, so do with that information what you will

[woeful sky]

💔

no nitro for me

[bright shoal]

[woeful sky]

do you make scripts for python?

[bright shoal]

what do you mean?

[woeful sky]

like just script like gui or sum

[bright shoal]

I'm not sure what you mean, but I do sometimes write scripts if that is what you're asking

[woeful sky]

yea that what i meant

thats*

where did you learn?

[bright shoal]

From all over to be honest, I guess most of it came from trying stuff out

[woeful sky]

ohhhhh ok ik how to make like some multi tools in notepad++ from yt and stuff im just trying to learn python now

[peak relic]

!resources page has a great list of beginner guides to learn Python

[edgy kraken]

Resources

The Resources page on our website contains a list of hand-selected learning resources that we regularly recommend to both beginners and experts.

[woeful sky]

k

[peak relic]

"Automate the Boring Stuff" is a free ebook that you can read online and follow exercises.

[woeful sky]

ty

[peak relic]

CS50P from Harvard is a free course with video and an online editor to submit your lessons and exercises too

[woeful sky]

bet

[velvet moss]

If I put an ai generated document into an ai to human text tool, can a professor still detect it?

[bright shoal]

[nimble cairn]

Hello

https://github.com/subhobhai943/sub-lang.git

The language is now not generated a minimal file for different language

[kind thicket]

is it worth the risk?

[velvet moss]

yea

[patent sky]

i need help 🦥

[mild sequoia]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMloyp6NI4E (why you "should" cheat)

[kind thicket]

so what if I say they would not see it?

[velvet moss]

u sure tho

[kind thicket]

I never lie

[velvet moss]

ok ok

i didnt say u lie i said if u sure

[patent sky]

🦥

[hasty island]

Go ahead and ask we won't bite

#❓｜how-to-get-help if it's you feel it'll take a bit of back and forth, otherwise just ask here

[arctic folio]

SchizoincelWojak

[patent sky]

so basically iam tring to make a controller macro but the problem is every time i try it , the buttons are always wrong

[velvet moss]

im not writing about deep q networks by myself

[kind thicket]

why not?

[woeful sky]

[arctic folio]

i++

[velvet moss]

because I dont know to use the right professional phrases

[hasty island]

!paste your code

[edgy kraken]

Pasting large amounts of code

If your code is too long to fit in a codeblock in Discord, you can paste your code here:
https://paste.pythondiscord.com/

After pasting your code, save it by clicking the Paste! button in the bottom left, or by pressing CTRL + S. After doing that, you will be navigated to the new paste's page. Copy the URL and post it here so others can see it.

[velvet moss]

without little cheating

[woeful sky]

ok lets say i made a Dos attack whould i get in trouble by the police if i send it to 20+ ppl?

[patent sky]

mport pygame
import pydirectinput
import time
import sys

EDIT_KEY = 'f'
AXIS_THRESHOLD = 0.85
DEBOUNCE_TIME = 0.12
FPS = 240

pygame.init()
pygame.joystick.init()

if pygame.joystick.get_count() == 0:
sys.exit()

pad = pygame.joystick.Joystick(0)
pad.init()

pydirectinput.PAUSE = 0
pydirectinput.FAILSAFE = False

clock = pygame.time.Clock()

editing = False
last_action = 0

def detect_l3():
start = time.time()
while time.time() - start < 10:
pygame.event.pump()

    for i in range(pad.get_numbuttons()):
        if pad.get_button(i):
            return ("button", i)

    for i in range(pad.get_numaxes()):
        if abs(pad.get_axis(i)) > AXIS_THRESHOLD:
            return ("axis", i)

    time.sleep(0.01)

sys.exit()

l3_type, l3_index = detect_l3()

def l3_pressed():
pygame.event.pump()
if l3_type == "button":
return pad.get_button(l3_index)
return abs(pad.get_axis(l3_index)) > AXIS_THRESHOLD

while True:
pressed = l3_pressed()
now = time.time()

if pressed and not editing and now - last_action > DEBOUNCE_TIME:
    pydirectinput.keyDown(EDIT_KEY)
    pydirectinput.mouseDown(button="left")
    editing = True
    last_action = now

elif not pressed and editing and now - last_action > DEBOUNCE_TIME:
    pydirectinput.mouseUp(button="left")
    pydirectinput.keyUp(EDIT_KEY)
    editing = False
    last_action = now

clock.tick(FPS)

[mild sequoia]

so if you cheat a little or you cheat a lot - you still cheated & you submitted a cheated assignment, right?

[kind thicket]

so using fake sounding phrases would make it more believable?

Just use your own language that your teachers know about

[arctic folio]

why do you make a dos attack at the first place

[kind thicket]

you might

[woeful sky]

i def did not lets just say i did

[hasty island]

Use the link in the bot response to avoid a wall of text (and it's just easier to look at)

[bronze dragon]

I'm sure your professor would rather get something that you wrote yourself, even if it doesn't sound professional. People are pretty sick of LLM-speak writing anyway.

[arctic folio]

Nah youre weird and a liar

[velvet moss]

put ur code in barckets like that 3x`py

[woeful sky]

not weird but ok bud

[kind thicket]

so not disagreeing with liar?

[arctic folio]

weird```

[mild sequoia]

Your ISP can flag you and terminate your contract if malicious enough.

[velvet moss]

true

[woeful sky]

hn i made a Dos attack frm this yt vid i seen

with a batch file

[patent sky]

how 😒

[arctic folio]

Joe_Shocked

thats just sad

[peak relic]

Since its not Python related, please take it to offtopic. kthx

[bright shoal]

🗿

[hasty island]

^^ read the embed it walks you through it @patent sky

[kind thicket]

yeah, that might get you into troubles

[woeful sky]

brother who are you python police 😭

[kind thicket]

helpers are here to help bro

[woeful sky]

yea maybe im not going to send it out

[arctic folio]

Why are you disrespectful?

[mild sequoia]

This is a python discussion. There's a literal off topic thread for most of these questions.

[hasty island]

No, he's python agent q

[woeful sky]

im not lol im just asking

[peak relic]

[patent sky]

https://paste.pythondiscord.com/MYZQ

[woeful sky]

myb

[arctic folio]

gyepespepe

[kind thicket]

you should reach out to a lawyer, not admitting to these crimes on discord where it's off topic

[woeful sky]

😭

[mild sequoia]

tbh most batch file dos attempts are just pinging the firewall with max packets in the cli

[peak relic]

Whats the problem?

[woeful sky]

all mine do it just open cmd

[patent sky]

idk tbh but it always detect the wrong buttons

[woeful sky]

until your pc crash

[arctic folio]

Its not the same tho if you say
"I made a dos program"
"i followed a tutorial and copied his code to make a dos program"

[arctic folio]

thats a zip bomb

[peak relic]

why are you using pydirectinput?

[woeful sky]

well yea i made it in notepad++

[arctic folio]

I know that guy
Youre weird honestly

[mild sequoia]

I went on my own quest to nmap the internet just to discover someone already did it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hk-21p2m8YY

[woeful sky]

how am i weird

[patent sky]

i thought it's better

[arctic folio]

🤦‍♂️

[patent sky]

isn't it ?

[slender urchin]

Time to stop discussing malicious code

[peak relic]

What was wrong with pygame.key ?

[woeful sky]

how am i weird

[mild sequoia]

tbh buddy just discovered .bat files & a continuous ping

[arctic folio]

One day you will hopefully understand.
Lets switch topic

[mild sequoia]

he'll probably go to school & be like "we got a huge cybersecurity risk here, i need to discuss with the sysadmin now" > shows some .bat file

[patent sky]

iam making this code for fortnite so pygame.key dont work for it

[peak relic]

pygame is a game engine made in Python. Its made for developers who wants to build a game

[woeful sky]

sure

[patent sky]

so ?

[peak relic]

How is fortnite related to game building?

[patent sky]

iam not using pygame.key

when i use it will not detect any key

[kind thicket]

!rule 5

[edgy kraken]

Rules

5. Do not provide or request help on projects that may violate terms of service, or that may be deemed inappropriate, malicious, or illegal.

[patent sky]

wth ?

[kind thicket]

sounds like game cheat or something

[patent sky]

no 🦥

[mild sequoia]

No Wind - You are looking for help on mapping a controller to new keys, is that correct?

[patent sky]

yh

[kind thicket]

so what are you doing that is not related to a game cheat or something?

[inland karma]

good morning soon to be new years people!

[mild sequoia]

and you are trying to map this using a python tool?

[patent sky]

yeah ?

[patent sky]

what the game cheat you are seeing ?

[kind thicket]

the type of game cheat when you inject input?

[mild sequoia]

Sometimes people ask us generic questions for their own non-python related questions.
What about looking into keybinds? Does changing the keybinds work for you? or are you specifically targeting a python related issue?

[inland karma]

you dont have to be defensive, you can just tell us what you want to do

[patent sky]

iam not doing what are you saying

[inland karma]

so tell us, you have not done that yet

[kind thicket]

I am asking if you are trying to do a game cheat by injecting input

[patent sky]

i said to you up there No

[kind thicket]

so what is the thing that you are trying to do that is not trying to make a game cheat by injecting input?

[mild sequoia]

That is a rule violation. We're not going to discuss remote administrative tools via Python unless you have a very case specific use like enterprise monitoring.

[patent sky]

wanna take a look at the code ?

you will know its not " cheating "

[inland karma]

sure, but you can just tell us instead

[kind thicket]

I did, and it did look like trying to inject input into a game cheat

[inland karma]

we want to know

[patent sky]

the code is here just take a look

[patent sky]

.

[kind thicket]

you still haven't stated what you are trying to do that is not about a game cheat that inject input

[inland karma]

thanks, now tell us what you are doing or trying to do please

[patent sky]

omg man english is not my first language how am i supposed to tell you

[inland karma]

oh i see @patent sky you will be banned for running this with fortnite

[inland karma]

you should try your best

[patent sky]

fortnite is the problem ?

[bright shoal]

🗿

[inland karma]

fortnites anticheat is strickt with this yes

[woeful sky]

so hows yall day

[patent sky]

no its not man

[inland karma]

tell us what you want to do and maybe we know another way

[patent sky]

wait a sec why you want to know ?

[inland karma]

oh i see, did you do any work on EAC?

[patent sky]

is it that important for you ?

[inland karma]

oh i see.. you have not read our rules

#rules

[patent sky]

what is the rules

i just joined

[kind thicket]

It helps solve the XY problem and making sure we solve the right problem.
The more you try to hide the actual problem you want to solve, the more suspicious it makes you

[inland karma]

you already agreed to reading them

[woeful sky]

LOL

[patent sky]

they are 1000 words

[inland karma]

now, you have an issue X, you dont know how to solve that. but you think you can solve it by doing Y. you tried to do Y, and im telling you if you do Y you will get banned, and you violate muyltiple of our rules and you break fortnites terms of serviice @patent sky

[inland karma]

and you should read and understand them

[patent sky]

i readed them but i havenot fined the rule that i breaked

[peak relic]

Technically the #rules is 287 words long but who's counting

[inland karma]

!rule 5

[edgy kraken]

Rules

5. Do not provide or request help on projects that may violate terms of service, or that may be deemed inappropriate, malicious, or illegal.

[inland karma]

you broke this rule

well, tried to

[hasty island]

You, apparently

[patent sky]

inappropriate, malicious, or illegal. ?

[inland karma]

you missed a part

the first part

[hasty island]

may violate terms of service

[patent sky]

what does that mean

[peak relic]

you don't say? Insert Nicolas Cage meme*

[inland karma]

you are breaking fortnites rules

that is called a terms of service

[patent sky]

ok so what i did to break it ?

[inland karma]

but you might not @patent sky it just looks like you are

[bronze dragon]

bypassing Fortnite's anti-cheat mechanism violates Fortnite's terms of service that you agreed to.

[mild sequoia]

the script you posted appears to remap the L3 key & then enable a faster rate of fire?
throwback to putting a spoon inside my controller so I could rip shots on the fn fal

[inland karma]

tell us what you want to do instead

[patent sky]

but iam not

[inland karma]

you are automating input to the game

[woeful sky]

yo eivl

[inland karma]

yo

[patent sky]

i just want to know what is the number for L3 CONBTROLER BUTTON

[woeful sky]

hows your day bro

[inland karma]

i see, why do you want that, tell us what you are trying to do instead of all this back and forth please

[inland karma]

im cookiung turkey, so its all good! 😄

[patent sky]

it is not any of your bussiness

[patent sky]

i gusse

[inland karma]

yes it is, thats why we are asking if you dont like that you can leave

[woeful sky]

thats good i hope its good

[patent sky]

i can just not tell you

[inland karma]

then you cannot ask about help here. please stop this conversation

dont help with breaking rules here

[patent sky]

wtf

[patent sky]

bro he is helping me with fortnite settings

[inland karma]

stop it

[kind thicket]

Assuming your use case was legit, you could have shared your use case with us, we would have all learned from it, and you would have gotten your answers half hour ago

[mild sequoia]

i dont even think that's breaking rules. holmes has a controller with more buttons than fortnite is displaying in the custom controller settings.

he's just being dubious af

[patent sky]

i told you all the code is up there

[inland karma]

you are trying to break our rules @patent sky and you are not telling is what you are doing. you will not get any help here since you are not willing to share

[inland karma]

and it breaks fortnites rules, now stop it

final warning

[patent sky]

i told you what i want to know

[kind thicket]

and there was no use case shared

[mild sequoia]

There's no legitimate reason for the script. The article I posted came from fortnite direct.

[inland karma]

you did not tell me what i needed to know,.. now either do or stop it

[patent sky]

what do you want to know ?

[inland karma]

i have already asked that six or seven times already.

tell me what your intent is

[patent sky]

67

[kind thicket]

Also note that this is not stackoverflow. This is a community where discussions go both ways. This is interactive
So you should expect back and forth, discussions and follow ups

[inland karma]

yeah i know! im hip 😄

[patent sky]

its learning

[inland karma]

what problem are you trying to solve i mean

[mild sequoia]

stack overflow wouldve banned him for repeating on the 2nd try lol

[patent sky]

wrong detected buttons

[inland karma]

saying your learning and its educational, is just bullishit language to buypass rules

[inland karma]

explain what that means

[patent sky]

its easy what do you mean explain

wrong detected buttons

what is the hard part

[inland karma]

i dont understand what that means, why do you need that, what is it for

[kind thicket]

any good python library for delaunay triangulation?

[inland karma]

i only know how EAC works, i dont know how fortniite works

[patent sky]

i want when i press l3 on the controller i want the letter f to be pressed

[woeful sky]

oga boga

[inland karma]

you want to remap or rebiind a controller input to a keybooard inpuut?

[patent sky]

yes

but the problem is its not detecting l3

[inland karma]

why cant you do that ingame?

[kind thicket]

or in the OS

[patent sky]

i can't

[inland karma]

check your controller setting in your OS

[patent sky]

there is no setting for it

[inland karma]

it has to work there first

[patent sky]

i tried DIS4

[inland karma]

i see, thank you, now you have a valid reason to do what you are trying to do. and what you are t rying to do will not work. but ill stiilil help you

[inland karma]

and did it registerr?

[patent sky]

and what if i want l3 to press f and left mouse button

[inland karma]

what controller are you using, and what os?

[patent sky]

nono

[inland karma]

i mean, in your OS

[patent sky]

win 11 , ps5

[inland karma]

let me get a ps5 contrroller and test it out.. hold on

[patent sky]

k

[inland karma]

EAC will stop you from doing that

your controller mapping needs to be one to one

[patent sky]

i tried it already man

[mild sequoia]

Most games afaik - will only toggle between one of the two channeled inputs. So you can't have a keyboard & controller plugged in. I mean you can, but it will only keep one active at a time.

• The game input will freeze & then switch back to the other input if you try using both. It only has one 'channel' to read inputs.

[inland karma]

what does the F button do?

yeah, it only has one channel, that is true

[patent sky]

yes you can bc i tried it and it worked but wrong button it dont read l3

[mild sequoia]

Which is why people use macros to automate their keyboard inputs. Ive never seen a macro toggle xbox buttons to do certain tasks, it has to stay in the macrolaneeee

[patent sky]

even tried detect button
def detect_l3():
start = time.time()
while time.time() - start < 10:
pygame.event.pump()

[inland karma]

does F mean Edit builds ?

[patent sky]

its not for all people

some people yeah

[inland karma]

We are aware of an issue where some players might not be able to use the L3 button to edit buildings in Fortnite. We are investigating and working on resolving this issue. In the mean time, please use a different button in order to edit structures in Fortnite.

this is a message from epic

on their support page

[patent sky]

brah

i use l3 for edit 🦥

[mild sequoia]

cant fight epic games fate

[inland karma]

so once epic has fixed this, your mapping will work

[patent sky]

but in fortnite i can edit with l3

[inland karma]

now.. you cant change mapping in software with python, EAC wwill trigger

[patent sky]

so what is the problem >?

[patent sky]

so i just change the l3 and it will work ?

[inland karma]

you can map a one to one with a xinput hardware modification on your controller

[patent sky]

one to two

[inland karma]

do you use xinput drivers?

no, not one to two

one to one

[patent sky]

iam saying one to two

[inland karma]

EAC will trigger if you have one button mapped to two

[patent sky]

i said 3 times i tried it and it worked

[inland karma]

what driver are you using?

[inland karma]

im not saying it do not work, im saying EAC will trigger

[patent sky]

no body cares man

[mild sequoia]

'this guy got me vac banned!' - 48 hours later

[inland karma]

you are clearly here to waste our time

[kind thicket]

this sounds like a #ot0-psvm’s-eternal-disapproval discussion rather than a #python-discussion ?

[inland karma]

now lets stopped it

no this sounds like a stopped discussion because you are doing this in ill faith

it is innapropriiiate and possible illegal

[patent sky]

whatever man you have been talking for half an hour and nothing was fixed 😁

[inland karma]

dont worry, i know how to fix it. now lets stop it. no more its clear you want to cheat in the game

[mild sequoia]

eivl's patience far exceeds what wouldve been alloted to you in the morning hours

[patent sky]

yeah yeah whatever

[inland karma]

be friendly from now on! we are just trying to help you, but once you admitted you where going to cheat, its now clear that we will not help you.

we will just not help you do that, thats all. nothing more!

😄

[celest osprey]

lol

[mild sequoia]

recently switched to cs50p from helsinki's mooc & i feel like a whole new world of understanding has been unlocked

[inland karma]

oh really.. i have heard good things.. tell me more please

[patent sky]

iam fixing it by myself

iam always friendly

💕💕💕

[inland karma]

head my warning, i know how eac works! 😄

[bronze dragon]

oh, is it that much better?

[inland karma]

fantastic! you seem like a nice young man 😄

[patent sky]

your warning does not work on me 🦥

[mild sequoia]

the videos coincide with the exercises a bit more
...like the idea of chaining methods together isn't ever mentioned in helsinki's mooc, but it's mentioned in week 0 right at the start
i.e.

name.strip().replace()

[patent sky]

thx 😘

[inland karma]

many have said that right before the ban wave came out! 😄 also EAC is evil..... not as evil as vanguard, but still evil

[mild sequoia]

i feel like there are a lot more exercises in helsinki's mooc, but sometimes it just feel like the solution test cases were a bit more demanding

[inland karma]

do you know why this works from an python OOP perspective?

[mild sequoia]

no haha 😄

[inland karma]

you should keep that question in the back of yourr miind, and let me know when you figure that out

[patent sky]

i have been doing this for 2 years 😘

[inland karma]

might take a year or so, so keep iit in the back of your head

[inland karma]

and i started with this before the internet! in the early 90s 😄

[pallid garden]

lmao

[patent sky]

so how old are you ?

[mild sequoia]

I did training kata the other day & the solution had a ton of ".replace().replace().replace()"
& for an hour I went bonkers doing multiple lines of .replace just to find it only doing one replacement operation being daisy chained lol

[inland karma]

67

[patent sky]

damn

[pallid garden]

HA

[inland karma]

no im joking

could not resist

[patent sky]

40s ?

[inland karma]

im 44 now i think

[patent sky]

damn

[mild sequoia]

'do you wake up & start screaming?'

[velvet hull]

What the

[inland karma]

no, life just gets better the older you get

[mild sequoia]

this is the way

[patent sky]

do people call you daddy ?

[mild sequoia]

not always, but i let it slide in here when people realize im PythonDaddy

[inland karma]

that is not common no. my son does that ofc..

[patent sky]

PythonBaby*

[patent sky]

awww cute

[mild sequoia]

apparently a baby python is called a snakelet, hatchling, or neonate

[patent sky]

nerd ?

[mild sequoia]

just autistic

[inland karma]

this is the way

https://tenor.com/bpEmY.gif

ahh... abusiing image pers for off topic star wars! 😄

[velvet hull]

U were trying to cosplay something on the pfp @inland karma

[inland karma]

dont tell the moderators, ill get in trouble again

[inland karma]

yes

https://tenor.com/beyTT.gif

[mild sequoia]

the amount of knowledge staff has in this server is unreal

[inland karma]

staff you mean

[mild sequoia]

i stand adjusted

[kind thicket]

and also the restraint. That daddy answer on any other server would have been devastating

[inland karma]

the knowlege lies with the helperrs here, staff and non staff, the rest of us just have experience

you the youth can learn and obtain and therefore share expertise of what you know. us old people can share experience.

a Master to embody power, and an Apprentice to crave it.

https://tenor.com/Ir0g.gif

iim feeling a new infraction incoming

😄

[mild sequoia]

how else will the chat flourish in the night time of alaskan hours

[hybrid nebula]

what happened here

[hybrid nebula]

is your gif quota for the year still not empty and you have to use up all of them

[inland karma]

i have to use them up 😄 i get a refill 1.1.26 😄

[dim ginkgo]

Is your favourite emoji "😄 "

[mild sequoia]

your name is detected as spam lmao

[inland karma]

yeah, and

[rugged viper]

he's just doing it for the love of the game 😭

[woeful sky]

bro chat gpt just made me a code for python it work good

[mild sequoia]

welcome to vibe coding

[flat moon]

[random bison]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/847107168784351246/1455641134322684086/videoplayback-3.mp4?ex=69561fb2&is=6954ce32&hm=0b5d2c25cf1e586e4dc517f22b6330f63ec52baf0fe96ec7ded1a6fb34f76509&

[hybrid nebula]

how did you just manage to send a file

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/847107168784351246/1455641134322684086/videoplayback-3.mp4?ex=69561fb2&is=6954ce32&hm=0b5d2c25cf1e586e4dc517f22b6330f63ec52baf0fe96ec7ded1a6fb34f76509&

huh you just send the media.discordapp link

[gaunt badge]

Yeah, the same thing happens when all these scam bots try to upload images

[hybrid nebula]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/916279459919851544/1455878392208687177/pygif.gif?ex=695653e9&is=69550269&hm=db6068683135f63518f326b8bba3f8de809bff6ec26ff17c8ee72d84b86ede39

huh cdn discordapp works too

Discord is weird

[inland karma]

discord is inconsistent about how they handle URLS

its a huge problem imho, they teach people that the only way to judge a link is to click it

[patent sky]

@inland karma

[mild sequoia]

how else am I supposed to test a link?! (/s)
Not many people realize you can test links through something like a virustotal check. They sandbox the link for you in most cases & report back any malicious cases.

[grizzled verge]

can someone help me

i used visual studio code for a ticket bot but it worked before but now it doesnt work

[bright shoal]

I find https://urlscan.io to be quite cool for this case.

[mild sequoia]

I usually throw it into virustotal but Ive seen a ton of false positives through virustotal lol

[pallid garden]

lol, i just ignore them

[mild sequoia]

urlscan.io doesnt accurately flag the eicar file which is kind of interesting
https://urlscan.io/search/#page.domain%3Asecure.eicar.org

[inland karma]

there are many ways, but looking at the url, and typing iti in the brower yourself is a good way as well

[bright shoal]

I don't, I love investigating random stuff

[inland karma]

the problem is how diiscord shows links

THIS IS NOT FINE FOR A URL

[THIS IS NOT FINE FOR A URL](https://www.pythondiscord.com)

now i can make it worse by doing

[bright shoal]

<> perchance?

[inland karma]

[https://fakeurl.com](https://www.pythondiscord.com)

[bright shoal]

nevermind.

[inland karma]

<https://fakeurl.com>

<> breaks this syntax

[mild sequoia]

tbh I lead a phishing campaign with the username of "[e-mail]" and I still had to explain to end user's that their CEO's e-mail address would come from @organization.com

[autumn forge]

you'll have to be more specific than "it doesn't work". Perhaps try opening a help thread with more information

[bright shoal]

[autumn forge]

I misinterpreted the "I lead a phishing campaign" bit at first

[mild sequoia]

there are some solid campaigns out there that make you go "yeeee that's a tough one"
also love those url redirects that pop you into sharepoint

[grizzled verge]

it doesnt workd

its not letting me post

[inland karma]

loook in #❓｜how-to-get-help to see how to make it

you have to fill out some fields for you to make a thread

[grizzled verge]

i have name description .txt file for the code and code review checked

[inland karma]

text file?

we dont allow you to upload a text file, use our pastebin if the code is long

you can also just do what #❓｜how-to-get-help shows you and add more details later when you have created the thread! 😄

[shrewd pine]

you can also have a title which shows on hover (at least on desktop)
[scammy site](https://www.pythondiscord.com "click here")
scammy site

[mild sequoia]

reminds me of phishyurl links that went around for awhile

[inland karma]

yeah, i dont like that discord does this.

[opal gull]

this just in, python discord is a scammy site

[mild sequoia]

if you want to test your URLs on another level of redirection: https://phishyurl.com/

[shrewd pine]

I mean, there is the "are you sure you want to go here, you haven't allowlisted this domain" dialog

[elfin mason]

hello everyone, is there some free course learnin' or some good supply to study python fer me?

[shrewd pine]

!res

[edgy kraken]

Resources

The Resources page on our website contains a list of hand-selected learning resources that we regularly recommend to both beginners and experts.

[elfin mason]

can i ask ye mate?

what can python do?

[shrewd pine]

most things

[elfin mason]

what some example 'ere mate?

[visual juniper]

a web backend
an API
a simple game
a data visualization tool
a file organizer
a web scraper
the uses are endless

[elfin mason]

i see...

does anyone 'ere know how to run me codes in visual code studio?

[tacit current]

I am lowkey gonna create an API? i think that tracks nasa spacestation?

[scarlet shoal]

whats an api

[nocturne jewel]

can somebody teach me more about classes?

i'm stuck

[scarlet shoal]

bruh i just learned about them

i can try

[nocturne jewel]

ohh

[scarlet shoal]

So xclasses are like lists

yk what a list is right?

[nocturne jewel]

yes of course

[scarlet shoal]

And in it you can store functions and variables

im gonna make an example

[nocturne jewel]

like self.blablabla right?

[scarlet shoal]

yuh

but

ˋˋˋclass Player:
pass

def init(self)
this is the place where you can store the variables

init is written with two lowercase lines on both sides bt

[nocturne jewel]

i still don't understand the logic about the meaning "pass"

[scarlet shoal]

Its just like if you dont have written anything, it just say pass

passlike if you call a function and theres only pass in it, it does absolutely nothing

So no errors gonna come

its liike a placeholder for a future script

understood?

Im gonna teach you

do you have python open rn

[nocturne jewel]

i want to dm u

yes

[scarlet shoal]

okokkookoko the dm me

[tacit current]

Hey

[tacit current]

lowkey dont know? I just saw the intro of day 33 of 100 days of code

[scarlet shoal]

breh

[tacit current]

what?

anything wrong?

[charred tusk]

That you’re still reaction farming with that charged phrase

[tacit current]

ohhhh? autocorrect. I used that word too much that when i type lowkey it changes to that

[subtle coyote]

yall what makes someone a bad programmer?

[subtle coyote]

you could also ...

[pallid garden]

what makes me a good programmer? if i were a bad programmer, i wouldnt be sitting here discussin it with you now would i?

-# (it's a tf2 bit)

[autumn forge]

https://tenor.com/view/team-fortress-2-tf2-meet-the-demoman-demoman-meet-the-team-gif-4609515205021874698

[subtle coyote]

im so sad today i deleted all of my code even tho a fair amount of it was good enough!

[pallid garden]

AYYYEEE

[mild sequoia]

now itll only get better

[pallid garden]

i'll let you in on a secret

i delete my own code ALL THE TIME

[mild sequoia]

is that how you keep crashing prod? /s

[subtle coyote]

small chunks of it yeah!! but lot of perfectly working code lol

[pallid garden]

for a given PR, 60% of the code i write from the start to the end are deleted

[subtle coyote]

why is that?

[pallid garden]

the first time round i am just trying to get it to work

once it works i would refactor and change stuff, see if i can optimize things

and then of course, if a test discovers that there is some stuff that doesnt work

i'll have to rework stuff

[subtle coyote]

ik lot of people who do that but sometimes it can't be refactored because of bad coupling

and other stuff

[pallid garden]

then you kinda have to just rewrite the entire thing

[subtle coyote]

yrp

[mild sequoia]

if codewars is teaching me anything...it can always be refactored

[pallid garden]

it only depends on how much effort it takes

[shrewd pine]

• try make it work
• fail
• try a different approach
• huge mess
• try a different approach
• less mess
• clean up which deletes a good chunk of my code
• send for review
• rewrite half the thing again in response to reviewer feedback

[subtle coyote]

isn't that just a leetcode alternative?

[pallid garden]

oh right

usually i have something like 5 branches

for a given feature

[shrewd pine]

(might I interest you in a jj?)

[pallid garden]

it really is try a different approach -> huge mess -> try again

[pallid garden]

i should probably try that next year

[mild sequoia]

queue "my god, what have I done" > talking heads

[pallid garden]

i am more worried if the reviewer doesn't ask me to rewrite anything

[shrewd pine]

at times I might have a few tries sticking around, before I commit to one and abandon the others

[subtle coyote]

i think this is just not my forte i find solving some very specific problem fun even tho it takes lots of braincells
but keeping it mind all the different components and how they're stuctured and how they should be structured and if you do x what will happen to y and hundered other level of abstractions,
what is more simple? what is more complicated? how much time should be spend on feature x etc 💀

hell i even got lost in circular imports once 😭
aswell in hell of abstractions!

[mild sequoia]

what are you learning for?

[pallid garden]

it's ok

it's like that

you'll get used to it

[subtle coyote]

rn? to learn how to work with other peoples code mainly..

[pallid garden]

yesterday i was investigating an issue that was reported by one of the maintainer

the maintainer himself thought that the root cause was something

[velvet hull]

Does anyone know where this project is from I wanted to do more of these
#1453396549441949828 message

[pallid garden]

but it turns out it was an intended feature

it's alright to get confused about the architecture

even the maintainers get it wrong sometimes

[earnest leaf]

Hey guys

Has anyone completed today daily leetcode problem ?

[inland karma]

CS50 or cs50p

did not know leetcode had daily problems

[inland karma]

where do you find the daily problems?

[mild sequoia]

You have to click into their calendar - https://leetcode.com/problems/last-day-where-you-can-still-cross/description/?envType=daily-question&envId=2025-12-31

[inland karma]

oh i see..

i see leetcode is still bad as usual

[mild sequoia]

i have yet to see a staff member or highly experienced person recommend leetcode in the past month. seems like its only good for grinding interview prep questions

[inland karma]

no its not good for that at all

its a junk site that on a good day, is only OK at best

if i had a candidate for a job that would brag about solving leetcode, i would not hire them

and ofc, the way they collect all your browser and user data to sell to others is just so bad

[warm girder]

you should venture on linkedin someday ;-;

[gleaming marten]

Its the people hiring that need to stop using leetcode

[inland karma]

they will this year

AI has now made it impossible to ask those questions

[gleaming marten]

Im not so sure

People still ask for it

[warm girder]

hard to when interviews itself are so dsa heavy with some niche question along with 3-4 rounds of the same stuff (atleast where i live)

[gleaming marten]

Now they just have to worry about people cheating

[inland karma]

that just means the places that ask those questions are not a good place to work

[gleaming marten]

Almost every place is like this

From tiny startups to giant multinational corpos

[inland karma]

im still holding firm on my comment, its not a good place to work

[warm girder]

i think stripe is the only exception i know of among large companies which dont have leetcode heavy interviews

[velvet hull]

i dont believe any interview is gonna ask "Do u do leetcode everyday"

u can show them ur git hub tho ig

[warm girder]

yeah but questions are going to be skewed to leetcode medium or hard

not really much in depth project diving or some thought process/design based questions

[inland karma]

i went over all leetcodes data coollecction vendors

[warm girder]

its like 45 mins to solve this dsa problem and explain the space time complexity for most interviews

[warm girder]

what do they do with this data? sell it to mnc's?

[inland karma]

yes

they still collect the data and still sell it even if you say no

[warm girder]

also how did u get this vendor list

[inland karma]

by not accepting, i never press concent

and leetcode dont have a i do not concent button

[warm girder]

fair enough

[inland karma]

open an incognito tab to see it

underr manage options

they are at least, as far as i know, not as bad as others

[earnest leaf]

Why do you mean that

[inland karma]

they just collect your data and sell it

[inland karma]

because people that solve leetcode are mostly terrible programmers

[earnest leaf]

Don't they have tougher questions

[inland karma]

and even worse developers

[earnest leaf]

Then where else we have to go and practice

[mild sequoia]

codewars

books

[inland karma]

you dont learn programming or development from leetcode

[gleaming marten]

Its all the same thing

[inland karma]

codewars is just slightly better, ok on a normal day

[summer crest]

that feels like a pretty broad brush youre painting with

[earnest leaf]

Ok then what else should we do

[warm girder]

where do you see manage options dosent show for me mind sharing a screenshot

[gleaming marten]

What makes it slightly better? The prettier wrap?

[spice hill]

Codewars has even worse terms nowadays. They have forced arbitration now

[inland karma]

yes, very broad on putpose, leetcode interviewing should die

[inland karma]

oh that is news to me.... yeah. so many do that now

[summer crest]

leetcode definitely doesnt teach you very practical skills though yeah

[inland karma]

their questions are more taileroed to valid real problems and not pure DSA

[mild sequoia]

leetcode brought me zero impact
codewars has repetition based training
Granted, im still ass

[inland karma]

it still only let you pratise algorithmic thiinking, thats what it does

[earnest leaf]

So are you suggesting codewars is better

For dsa

[spice hill]

Codewars has more interesting problems that don't necessarily focus on getting the best asymptotic complexity. Like https://www.codewars.com/kata/59c132fb70a3b7efd3000024 (there's some overlap of course)

[inland karma]

im saying you can practise this to teach yourself algorithmic thinking, but you still need to learn programming and development

[earnest leaf]

I understand that but from where

[pallid garden]

learning how to solve a partial differentiation equation is different from understanding how that applies to thermodynamics

[inland karma]

you dont actually use DSA for about 98% off the time, and juniors never have a chance to impact anything with this knowledge

[earnest leaf]

Solving problems only gives real knowledge Right

[inland karma]

you write programs on your own, you do all the work yourself

[bronze dragon]

build projects
I feel like people sometimes miss the point of learning programming

[spice hill]

I can't recommend Leetcode to people if only because of the abominable format the problems are in (e.g. requiring a Solution class in Python, function signatures being nonsensical in Rust, probably more stuff)

[inland karma]

project based learning is where you learn development

[earnest leaf]

I see

[inland karma]

doing one or two hours of DSA before an interview is fine if the interviewer is going to ask you silly questions

[pallid garden]

still, i feel like my dsa leaves a lot to be desired

[summer crest]

i also wish leetcode interviewing should go away but i dont think it will tbh

or well

[mild sequoia]

DSA is a whole course. an entire couple books can be dedicated to DSA.
I feel like when I first started I said my interest was "doing dsa problems" and Ive quickly realized that's just a small destination on the journey lol

[summer crest]

idk if ai changes this but

[inland karma]

the new AI tools are so good at solving this for you, live, so once everyone is using it, it will go away

[pallid garden]

there are definitely some known dsa problems that i should be able to solve without having to spend time mulling over it

i can eventually solve it, but not without spending time thinking long and hard about it

[summer crest]

99.8% are just “use hashmaps better pls” /j

[inland karma]

give me five miiinutes with someone and i will figure out more about that persons skills than an interviewer doing leetcode questions for an hour

[cerulean ravine]

are thumbscrews involved?

[inland karma]

😄 maybe

[pallid garden]

what might you ask?

[earnest leaf]

Can u suggest a python project u did

[summer crest]

huh. i never really thought about it but are in person interviews not standard for programming positions?

[inland karma]

i would just talk about a project they made, have them go trrough a problem tthey solved, explain it to me so i can understand how they solved it and what the implementation was

[pallid garden]

i see

so STAR

[mild sequoia]

people forget their personality is also on trial during the interview

[summer crest]

dude if interviewers let me go on a 4 hour programming rant to determine whether or not they hire me 💀

id cook

[pallid garden]

lol

[inland karma]

have not been standard for a while, most i see are remote... but i dont know all how other places does it

[pallid garden]

here's to a better 2026

[summer crest]

oh right thats today

[spice hill]

year of the linux desktop

[pallid garden]

we are walking into 2026 with hope

[pallid garden]

is over

[summer crest]

REAL

[earnest leaf]

Where are u working

[pallid garden]

it's 2025

[inland karma]

this might be the firrst time i have every actually belived it

[pallid garden]

2025 is the year of the linux desktop

[summer crest]

year of the FreeBSD laptop

[inland karma]

Norway

[pallid garden]

no way!

[summer crest]

oh yee of little faith

[earnest leaf]

Company name and position?

[pallid garden]

bruh

who tf asks that on discord

[earnest leaf]

Python developer right

[inland karma]

why are you so interested?

im a python developer yes

[earnest leaf]

I want to be a developer that's why

[summer crest]

What’re the last 4 digits of your mother’s maiden name?

[spice hill]

2069

[pallid garden]

[inland karma]

she did not have any digits! 😄

[inland karma]

thats nice, you should learn programmiing, python is a great place to start

[spice hill]

that's rough, mine has 20

[inland karma]

😄

[pallid garden]

lol

that took me a while to get

[tacit hearth]

Am beginner, but Python is fun!

[pallid garden]

what do you find fun

[tacit hearth]

When there is no error in the output, gives a satisfying feeling

[celest osprey]

lol

[pallid garden]

lol

someone should really introduce you to:

Test Suites: 95 passed, 95 total
Tests:       642 passed, 642 total
Snapshots:   49 passed, 49 total
Time:        43.419 s
Ran all test suites.
Done in 44.38s.

[obtuse geyser]

labubu

[tacit hearth]

What's that?

[inland karma]

add coverage and testing to that, and its even better!

[pallid garden]

this is the result from a jest test run

[earnest leaf]

Where should I try it and what is it for?

[pallid garden]

it's automated software testing

[celest osprey]

U use it to test ur programs to ensure they work as intended

[inland karma]

pytest and coverage.py are the two libraries at work all python projects have. and precommit as a close third

[pallid garden]

you write the intended behavior of your code and you run them after you made some changes

to make sure that you didnt break anything

[earnest leaf]

They have built in test cases or do we need to provide that too

[worn helm]

hello

[inland karma]

you write them yourself

[pallid garden]

you write your own test cases

[celest osprey]

It’s one that u write ur selves

[earnest leaf]

Are u also a python dev?

[pallid garden]

there is a youtube short meme thing by alberta tech that says something like "why does being a programmer make you a worse person? it's a lot harder to feel bad about scolding the intern in the morning when all your tests pass"