python-discussion

[fiery yarrow]

people always talk about how time is a nightmare because of timezones, but the real reason is because of (astro)physics, which is why "universal time" can refer to any of like 6ish different clocks and why things like "day" have more than one meaning

[runic flower]

Time is not bad until some random manager decides that "daily reports" should be based on the local time zone and then flips out when they go on vacation and the daily report numbers they're seeing are not the same numbers their staff are seeing. 🙂
"Make them see my numbers" No.

[fiery yarrow]

sounds like yall need a moon outpost

[scenic finch]

Mars

[pulsar dragon]

Hi

[runic flower]

Also a fun time was HR setting a deadline of midnight 12:00am Friday, and me trying to explain that what they were asking for was 1 minute after 11:59pm Thursday, where as they wanted 1 minute before 12:01am Saturday.

[pulsar dragon]

Good night I got to go sleep

[fiery yarrow]

ah, mercury days are 4200 hours long. that should do nicely

[dry pike]

mmm, mercury 🥬

[runic flower]

Thanks for sharing, enjoy your time.sleep()!

[pulsar dragon]

Print ("thanks 🙏🏻")

[fiery yarrow]

xelf
that's blocking
soon nobody else can do anything either

[ashen jungle]

i see deadlines literally set at 11:59 pm often because of this

[runic flower]

start measuring things in "Pluto years".

[fiery yarrow]

clocks settable to 2400 when

[runic flower]

it is the better way.

[dry pike]

00:00 anyone

[ashen jungle]

which lead to software closing it out exactly at 11:59 which is awkward for literal last-minute people

[ashen jungle]

but still definitely yes

[pulsar dragon]

I'm in 3:50 AM

[dry pike]

18:50PM here

:)

[dry pike]

oh I was not asking what time it is for people

[pulsar dragon]

About what

[dry pike]

see the conversation

[pulsar dragon]

I'm so lazy to Reading

No sorry

I stay hard

[dry pike]

???

[pulsar dragon]

Forget it

Sorry I'm new and I don't how to work's this server

My bad but I going to sleep 😴

[runic flower]

Are you in Yakutsk? It's alsmost 4am in YAKT.

[pulsar dragon]

Is this in Japan

[dry pike]

that word doesn't look Japanese to me

[runic flower]

it's also almost noon in JST (Japan) but no YAKT would be Siberia.

[charred tusk]

Who would guess Siberia first?

[runic flower]

Someone that plays Risk a lot. 🙂

[pulsar dragon]

Oh I'm in north Africa

[dry pike]

it's 4:56AM in egypt

[pulsar dragon]

I'm in Morocco

[dry pike]

I see

[pulsar dragon]

North West Africa

[dry pike]

wait why is xelf saying almost 4am in Japan

it's almost noon in Japan

[charred tusk]

11:58 AM
Saturday, December 27, 2025 (GMT+9)
Time in Tokyo, Japan

huh

[runic flower]

yeah, I did a google search, and got the wrong info. LOL

[pulsar dragon]

Yes I know they are in another side of the earth

[dry pike]

AI?

[pulsar dragon]

I hate Ai

[runic flower]

When you said Africa I went back to double check, because no way are they off by 1 hour from each other.

[grim axle]

indeed, they are not*

[dry pike]

they don't are?

[pulsar dragon]

Huh?

[pulsar dragon]

Oh

[runic flower]

yeah.
me to google: "where is it 4am right now if it is 7pm PT"

Ai Overview:
When it is 7 pm PT (Pacific Time), it is 4 am the next day in the time zones that are 9 hours ahead of Universal Time Coordinated (UTC+9). Pacific Time is typically UTC-8 (Standard Time) or UTC-7 (Daylight Saving Time). To find 4 am, which is 9 hours ahead of UTC, we look for locations in the UTC+9 time zone.
Areas where it would be 4 am include cities in:
Japan Standard Time (JST) - which covers all of Japan.
Korea Standard Time (KST) - which covers all of South Korea.
Eastern Indonesia Time (WIT) - which covers parts of Indonesia.
Palau Time (PWT) - which covers the island nation of Palau.
Yakutsk Time (YAKT) - which covers a large region of Eastern Siberia, Russia.
should have checked harder.

[pulsar dragon]

Bro

[runic flower]

I think I was just excited to see Yakutsk mentioned. 🙂

[pulsar dragon]

Wish Ai you use

[runic flower]

In this case it was literally just a google search, and it auto pops up an overview at the top, I guess that would be gemini

[pulsar dragon]

My favorite Ai is Gemini

[exotic badge]

Real

Gemini is lit

[runic flower]

I'm more partial to windows copilot. It's not perfect.

[pulsar dragon]

Yeah

[dry pike]

my favourite AI is Jarvis

[exotic badge]

Copilot is fine I'm just not the biggest fan of it

[pulsar dragon]

I don't know that before

[dry pike]

from Iron Man

[pulsar dragon]

Hold on let me searching

[exotic badge]

You don't know Jarvis?

That's a classic

[runic flower]

asking copilot "where is it 5am right now if it is 7pm PT"

Places in UTC+2 (where it is 5am when it is 7pm PT)
These include:
South Africa (Johannesburg, Cape Town), Egypt (Cairo), Israel (Tel Aviv, Jerusalem), Finland, (and more)

[exotic badge]

Is it right?

[pulsar dragon]

Oh I know that before Ai

[charred tusk]

Yeah
I'm too sleepy to brain
Just gimme the answer

[ashen jungle]

gemini can be very smart

[runic flower]

yeah, copilot was right, gemini was far far off.

[pulsar dragon]

And accurate in information

[exotic badge]

Doesn't copilot auto search the web tho

[runic flower]

coplipt is gpt5

[exotic badge]

I know that

[charred tusk]

Doesn't mean it finds the right result

[ashen jungle]

was it gemini flash?

[charred tusk]

If it's rolled out to you*

[exotic badge]

But they can wrap it a bit

[ashen jungle]

when i call gemini smart, i do not include flash

[charred tusk]

no

Well

[exotic badge]

Fair man

[runic flower]

ah really? it was gpt4 before though.

[pulsar dragon]

Did you know that human memory is larger than Ai

[ashen jungle]

kinda weird then. i know gemini is capable of waay more than basic addition/subtraction with time zones

[exotic badge]

Who coulda thunk it

[charred tusk]

Microsoft Copilot is GPT 4, with GPT 5 rolling out
GitHub Copilot has a variety of models available, depending on your plan, which does include Gemini, both Flash and Pro

[pulsar dragon]

Who created Ai

Is human

[charred tusk]

Gotta have like 6 asterisks when talking about AI 😩

[exotic badge]

They all say that the AI can be wrong so...

No clutch factor

[robust ledge]

We could talk about python and not AI. Avoid all the asterisks.

[runic flower]

pet peeve that microsoft owns github, and yet both end up using copilot as the name for related but very different products

[pulsar dragon]

The only thing I hate about Ai is the generation of images and videos.

[exotic badge]

Why

I use it to make a lot of basic graphics that I'm to lazy to make myself

The ai video I get but

[runic flower]

so what's your favorite made in python ai?

[dense urchin]

people tend to use it for propoganda, such deepfakes etc

[robust ledge]

I don't have one. Tend not to use it at all.

[exotic badge]

Wow super impressive

[pulsar dragon]

These days I can no longer distinguish between artificial and real intelligence because the generation of videos and images has developed so dramatically.

[exotic badge]

I think the ai videos have to much room for error to be useful but I can use the images and tweak them quicker if need be

[pulsar dragon]

Yes and not

[exotic badge]

Wydm

[pulsar dragon]

Honestly, Ai has made our lives much easier, but we shouldn't rely on it for everything.

[dense urchin]

what about the ai voice tho, do you hate it aswell?

[exotic badge]

The ai videos and ai voice is a disaster waiting to happen in my opinion

[cerulean ravine]

anyone working any Python projects?

[pulsar dragon]

Yes, his voice always sounds like he has a cold.

[exotic badge]

I'm working on a weather bot

Like 3 mo into it

[pulsar dragon]

Show us

[exotic badge]

Bet

[pulsar dragon]

Why?

[exotic badge]

Can I send the server link or am I gonna get in trouble

[runic flower]

🌨️

[runic flower]

can you share a github link too ?

[pulsar dragon]

[dense urchin]

oops wrong reply

[exotic badge]

The GitHub is private until it's completed then Imma open source it

[dense urchin]

Yes, I made an integrated VirusTotal (virus detector) + ChatGPT setup, so it can summarize what it finds based on the detected malware :D

[exotic badge]

https://discord.com/channels/1446317044105482282/1446334544847569077

There

[pulsar dragon]

Do you create code on GitHub?

[exotic badge]

I use vs code then I upload that to the GitHub

[runic flower]

Ah, prob fine to share the link anyway

[exotic badge]

Working on configuring git so I can rollback easier

[pulsar dragon]

Honestly, I still don't know how GitHub works.

[runic flower]

it's worth learning, and the basics are incredibly easy

[exotic badge]

I'm ok at it and can do what I need to with it but other than that I'm useless

[pulsar dragon]

Yes, only with willpower.

[exotic badge]

Do y'all want me to open source it now

[cerulean ravine]

you don't need to keep it a secret now. open it.

[pulsar dragon]

Mark Zuckerberg

[cerulean ravine]

yes, why not?

[charred tusk]

Open source it from the start

[pulsar dragon]

I hate mark Zuckerberg

[cerulean ravine]

this is off-topic.

[exotic badge]

I'll share it in a minute

[pulsar dragon]

Sorry

[charred tusk]

Most of my stuff starts as me talking it through here, then the repo is public from the start

[pulsar dragon]

Yes quickly

[exotic badge]

I'm working on it chill

[earnest leaf]

Hii

[pulsar dragon]

Give us a hint or description of what the program does.

[pulsar dragon]

Bro the pfp ☠️

[earnest leaf]

Yeah

Yours one too scary

[pulsar dragon]

What's the story behind you posting this picture?

[earnest leaf]

Nothing. I just liked it

[pulsar dragon]

Do you know what's in my profile picture?

[ashen jungle]

it's a clown

[pulsar dragon]

Any clown

[earnest leaf]

I don't know whether it is an animal or character

But scarry

Is it from it clown

[pulsar dragon]

Are you serious? This is a TV series on HBO

[earnest leaf]

Is it

I watch The Last of us from HBO

Watched

[exotic badge]

https://github.com/Benbenniboi/ExactoCast

There

[earnest leaf]

It's a bot

[exotic badge]

The readme was made by ai so there very well could be errors

[earnest leaf]

To tell the whether

[exotic badge]

Correct

[earnest leaf]

Weather

[exotic badge]

I did it to learn python

[fluid shale]

no idea

[earnest leaf]

Very well

So far I only solved a couple of leetcode problems only

[exotic badge]

I needed motivation to actually begin so now I have code to maintain

[earnest leaf]

Yeah that's a good way to go

[earnest leaf]

Hey by the way
What is exactocast

Are u working

[exotic badge]

It works rn

ExactoCast is the bots name

https://discord.com/channels/1446317044105482282/1446334544847569077

[earnest leaf]

I see

[ashen jungle]

it seems cool

[exotic badge]

Thanks

[earnest leaf]

I don't have access to go to there

How do I get access

[pulsar dragon]

I didn't understand

I don't really know how to turn it on.

Any way thank y'all good night

[copper cobalt]

hi gusy

[acoustic stag]

Hey all
Good Morning

does anyone know how many jupyter notebooks I can run on my machine at a time ?

[exotic badge]

I'll send the invite link

[exotic badge]

Venv

[acoustic stag]

I've been given 5 assignments in total all of them need to use SARIMAX and ARIMA models and for some reason SARIMAX models is taking a lot of time just to fit
so I'm thinking of parallelly start with another ones

But I don't want to run into the process issues
after all I love my laptop.... 😅

[steady rain]

There isn't a specific limit. Why?

[acoustic stag]

because of this

[granite wyvern]

If they're using all the cores of your CPU during the compute stuff there is probably no point to running then concurrently. They might even make overall CPU less efficient.

[exotic badge]

My only reservation to going open source longer is that I want to integrate a paid api for more data and to make that feasible i need to make some money off it

[steady rain]

You can run as many notebooks as you want, but they all have to share the same amount of hardware on your computer.

[spare quest]

if you're unfortunate enough to have to work with statsmodels, its implementations of (s)arima(x) are noticeably slower than alternatives

[steady rain]

Make sense, @acoustic stag ?

[acoustic stag]

right, sorry has to take a call

[steady rain]

Tell them we said hello.

[acoustic stag]

So It's not a good option is that what you're saying ?

considering it might take more time than usual

[steady rain]

Depends on how many cores and how much memory your laptop has. But since it's a laptop, probably not enough to run multiple of this.

[acoustic stag]

any way to check it out ?

[lament sparrow]

Hello, peoples, Is there anyone with free time who would like to test a platform I created?

[steady rain]

Look up your laptop make and model online

[acoustic stag]

I've been using it since past 7-8 years

the configurations mast've got changed

[steady rain]

What OS is it

[acoustic stag]

WIndows

11

[spare quest]

you can just run 1 sarimax, and look at cpu usage from like task manager
if it's close to 100% then running a second notebook will not help

[steady rain]

You'd know if you physically took apart the laptop and added more cores or more memory. Those aren't configuration settings

[raw bramble]

best linter pls 🥺

[steady rain]

ruff

@acoustic stag look at this https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/find-out-how-many-cores-a-processor-on-a-windows-device-has-3126ef99-0247-33b3-81fc-065e9fb0c35b

[acoustic stag]

well currently I'm running 1 jupyter notebook 1 sarimax model to fit over multiple pdq combinations
and it's uisng 65% of my cpu, 91% of memory (not sure why)

Cores - 4
Logical processors - 8

also what if I switch to google colab ?
will it be a little more faster as it uses hosted environment ?

once I'm done with the assignment I can simply download it

[granite wyvern]

Or just open 2 notebooks.

Run the first fit compute, and time it.

Then rerun that fit, and the fit from the second notebook at the same time.

Is the first fit a lot slower?
If so, you're probably better just running them one at a time.

[acoustic stag]

well that's the thing day after tomorrow is the deadline for the assignment

so don't have that much of time

[ashen jungle]

i seee. idk about how to monetize stuff but good luck

[pulsar dragon]

Sorry to all in this server

[exotic badge]

Why

[pulsar dragon]

I get a ban from Hak5 🥲

[spare quest]

why not both?

[acoustic stag]

you're saying I should do may be 2 assignments locally and 3 assignments on colab ?

[granite wyvern]

It's a jupyter notebook? Can you run the fit in it's cell, then keep that around and only rn the rest of the cells as needed? I'm assuming the time probalem is the cost of running the same fit many times during debugging?

[granite wyvern]

You could certainly try it. I would not expect colab to give you heaps of CPU, but it might be better CPU.

If that's easy to try.

[sand hornet]

Sell everything, buy farmland. Only solution /jk

[granite wyvern]

Well clearly a temp ban. Just don't do whatever it was again.
Apologies accpted, welcome back.

[exotic badge]

What did you do

[granite wyvern]

Hoo. Have you tried farmland?

[untold jasper]

is python.land a good place to learn python

[sand hornet]

No but if I sell everything and have "fuck you" monies and live in the middle of nowhere, I'll clearly have no problems right? (I'm being sarcastic and I'm exaggerating anyways)

[pulsar dragon]

No, it's permanent.

[pulsar dragon]

I asked them about the hack

[granite wyvern]

Some other server?

[pulsar dragon]

Yes

[acoustic stag]

well honestly I had to skip the debugging phase
and directly go for the actual one because of tight deadlines

[granite wyvern]

!rule tos

We have similar rules here I would guess.

[edgy kraken]

Rules

5. Do not provide or request help on projects that may violate terms of service, or that may be deemed inappropriate, malicious, or illegal.

[acoustic stag]

and I'm taking gpt's help to do so

[pulsar dragon]

So I shouldn't ask

[spare quest]

yeah I mean like it's another machine to run your code on (I'm not really sure how running multiple colabs work for how much cpu you actually get tho)
go to kaggle too if that's not too hard to setup

[acoustic stag]

well I already have used colab before but I like jupyter notebook than colab

[granite wyvern]

Well you could describe what you're trying to do and see if people think it's against the rules. If you're unsure.

[pallid garden]

they are literally the same thing for all intents and purposes...

[untold jasper]

is python.land a good place to learn python

[pulsar dragon]

My curiosity is just bringing me trouble

[acoustic stag]

True but I think network connection is a factor in case of colab and it's not in case of local jupyter notebook

[pallid garden]

your colab will continue running even if you lose connection

[acoustic stag]

ohh I wasn't aware about it

[unborn lagoon]

!res general
Resource quality is questionable. I'd pick one of the curated resources here, such as Automate the Boring Stuff with Python or Harvard's CS50P, which are both free online.

[edgy kraken]

Resources

The Resources page on our website contains a list of hand-selected learning resources that we regularly recommend to both beginners and experts.

[acoustic stag]

I thought things start breaking up in colab if the connection is lost in between

[exotic badge]

Spit it out already

[ocean orbit]

Hi

[pulsar dragon]

What

[untold jasper]

thank you

[exotic badge]

What you did to get banned

[vital spire]

Would someone wanna crtitique my small little project?

[pallid garden]

you get 1 hour or something i think, after which it closes your instance

[exotic badge]

Sure

[vital spire]

https://github.com/ant-xy/ATC-Automation

I was testing out downloading and file managing in python alongside some OOP

[pulsar dragon]

I asked them how to st€@l my neighbor's Wi-Fi

[exotic badge]

I'll take a better look at it when I get home and can run it in my VM but it looks interesting

[vital spire]

Alrighty :D

[peak relic]

Why select 2 airports and how do I define which one is primary and which one is secondary? https://github.com/ant-xy/ATC-Automation/blob/main/main.py#L116-L122 My country is so small, we only have 1 airport tho

[edgy kraken]

main.py lines 116 to 122

print(f"[{Fore.GREEN}*{Style.RESET_ALL}] Please select your Primary and Secondary airports in the respective order.")
primaryAirport = airportSelect()
secondAirport = airportSelect()


primAirport = Path(primaryAirport[0], primaryAirport[1], primaryAirport[2], None)
secAirport = Path(secondAirport[0], secondAirport[1], secondAirport[2], None)```

[peak relic]

I don't think I would have this kind of info on hand https://github.com/ant-xy/ATC-Automation/blob/main/main.py#L108-L109

[edgy kraken]

main.py lines 108 to 109

aircraftType = input("Please enter aircraft type: ")
aircraftID  = input("Please enter aircraft ID: ")```

[vital spire]

Ah, primary airport is the airport the plane is going to fly from, the secondary airport is where it will fly to

[peak relic]

oh lol. Could have done a "From Airport" to "To Airport" or Departure and Arrival or Flying off and Destination... Lots of other proper words than Primary and Secondary

[vital spire]

It doesnt really matter, you can type in anything you want since it doesnt affect the system

[peak relic]

Then you might as well omit it?

[pulsar dragon]

I participated in a programming and artificial intelligence competition at my school.

What should I do?

[peak relic]

What do you have to do for the competition?

[vital spire]

Good point, but i considered it a nice to have feature.

[steady rain]

You participated. So it already happened?

[pulsar dragon]

Creating an artificial intelligence program using Python

[peak relic]

What kind of AI? To do what?

[steady rain]

Are they expecting you to train a model or make API calls to a proprietary ai service?

[pulsar dragon]

Like chatgpt

[peak relic]

That's hardly a competition. More like copying and pasting what ChatGPT can do. What are you supposed to compete for?

[pulsar dragon]

It only offers a basic service, less than GBT Chat.

[warm shale]

how do you make money with prorgamming skills?

[peak relic]

By offering and selling solutions to people's problems for money

[pulsar dragon]

No, it's just a test of your programming skills.

[steady rain]

Getting a full time job as a developer.
There are way more people trying to do "side hustles" with programming than there is demand.

[peak relic]

oh then, go for it.

[warm shale]

where do I find people who have programming problems

[pulsar dragon]

It didn't start

[warm shale]

I dont think that will be possible as a high schooler

[steady rain]

You can go to a freelance website like upwork for Fiverr. The competition will be fierce.

[peak relic]

Try asking your neighbors, and people really close to you. Then extend from there. Network around. Connect with people.

[steady rain]

You should focus on doing well in school so that you can get a degree in computer science or similar.

[worldly topaz]

https://youtu.be/7VxHTSg6wE4?si=GHywfUlCjkwjoYY5

[warm shale]

thats the plan

[steady rain]

In the meantime, I don't think you'll be able to earn any money

[warm shale]

that kinda sucks, I currently have a part time job but I can only get like 2 shifts per week so I'm trying to come up with another way to make money

[peak relic]

Video titled "Stop Writing Useless Python!", last clip of the video:

Try creating your own program using everything taught in this video:

Take input from the user

Clean it using string methods

Make decisions using conditions

Print meaningful output
That's useful? Mmkay

[steady rain]

Is this self-promotion?

[opal gull]

"make programs that actually react"
...
react?

[steady rain]

And I guess you can't get a second job, because you have to maintain enough availability with the first one just to get those two shifts?

[opal gull]

no thank you

[warm shale]

yes, I also don't have time to get a second job that doesn't have a flexible schedule

[ashen cipher]

reatc js

[swift sandal]

Umm Sup?

[quartz fulcrum]

hello

i need a favour

[crisp fable]

Hello

Anybody here I am new

[quartz fulcrum]

hi krish

i am new here too

[crisp fable]

Hlo I am also a python young coder (15 years old)

[quartz fulcrum]

Python channel is on a slow mo mode..
i also joined math server and it is growing very fast

[quartz fulcrum]

oh

very young...if you are interested in programming

you will go very far

[crisp fable]

I do coding in a phone (2GB RAM) on termux ubuntu

I make a python project, you can see in my GitHub repo

https://github.com/procoder178/k-ide.git

[vital spire]

thats some dedication

[peak relic]

What editor do you use in termux?

[crisp fable]

I use geany in ubuntu in termux, but previously I use neovim

[peak relic]

I'm surprisingly impressed that you can run Geany with that phone spec

[quartz fulcrum]

what is Geany

[peak relic]

https://www.geany.org/

[quartz fulcrum]

average smart phone..or somethjng special in it

[quartz fulcrum]

like vs code?

[scenic finch]

Worst specs I’ve ever seen insane

[crisp fable]

I use modded ubuntu (from GitHub)

[scenic finch]

Crazy

[quartz fulcrum]

cool

little bit of originality there

[scenic finch]

You should get a laptop

[crisp fable]

I know html, css, js, python, java, c++, many modules in python like PyQt5, django, and many so

[quartz fulcrum]

he is 15 years old...will his parents agree for a high performing pc

[opal gull]

who said anything about high performing

[crisp fable]

I am in class 10, when I come in 11th, my parents will take me a new phone or later a laptop also

[quartz fulcrum]

just thought

[peak relic]

Opt for a desktop PC instead of a laptop. You can then upgrade the parts whenever its affordable to.

[quartz fulcrum]

i got my first laptop when i came in college

i am switiching my career

not very exciting

but that is what i wanna do now

[crisp fable]

I start coding in my 9th class, and I created many project, my op project is an code editor (https://github.com/procoder178/k-ide.git)

[vital spire]

Not a good time to build any sort of pc right now

[peak relic]

Not right now. Later-ish.

[visual juniper]

but we dont know when it will get better either, could be few months , could be a year

or maybe never

[soft field]

glad I built my PC in march with parts I bought back in February of this year.

[scenic finch]

I do

[crisp fable]

What are you all doing here daily?

[peak relic]

nuthin

[charred tusk]

Working?

[peak relic]

just chillin

[charred tusk]

Or I guess more accurately -- escaping working

[finite zephyr]

Discussing

[finite zephyr]

This is more accurate

[peak relic]

python-discussing for sure

[finite zephyr]

Yeah.
But a little

[quartz fulcrum]

not a single message for one and a half hour

[charred tusk]

Then send some

[fiery yarrow]

a while ago, i sent a you killed chat emoji here after a 45ish-minute pause (via reaction, so as to not unkill chat). apparently, that's considered quite rude

[dim pagoda]

print(print(print(print(print(print(print(print(print(print(print(print(print(("hello"))))))))))))))

[vital spire]

How do web scrapers still exist and scrape with cloudflare and other companies protecting the web? Hypothetically, what actions do these companies need to take to remove bots once and for all from the web? We dont care about user experience here at all

[fiery yarrow]

don't care about ux at all huh?
bring down your website
no site, no bots

[vital spire]

Bruh you know what i mean

[fiery yarrow]

that's about the only real way to do it. bots are a fact of life for online sites. cloudflare probably greatly reduces their volume, but you cannot remove them completely without, essentially, national governments (and militaries, likely) hunting down the bot hubs

[vital spire]

Why not though?

[fiery yarrow]

also, a lot of the deadlier bots nowadays are big-time corporate ai crawlers from places like openai or anthropic

[fiery yarrow]

you can code a bot to crawl the web in a manner that overlaps the way a human does. most won't, as this is inefficient and slow, but if you want to remove them all, you have to account for those. and while you may not care about ux, losing customers is unacceptable for a lot of businesses

[worn helm]

I see

[quartz fulcrum]

captcha test work? if i understood your message right

[fiery yarrow]

you can buy captcha solving services that enslave hire massive groups of ultra-poor exploited fellas in (generally) third-world countries that'll solve you maybe a few thousand per hour for a few bucks (the human solvers get maybe a few cents per solve)

[quartz fulcrum]

India...are you poking india

[fiery yarrow]

i'm sure there's a large group of those organizations in india, sure. but that's also a consequence of having a billion people

[quartz fulcrum]

its no.1 in population..
and a population of a huge amount of youngsters...
businesses will invest in it..

[vital spire]

Alright, that does bypass it. I cant think of any other method

[quartz fulcrum]

btw i heard that tution cost is very high in other countries than INDIA

[scenic finch]

There’s all types of people in every country

I don’t think they were trying to diss India

[vital spire]

In conclusion, crawlers can never be stopped fully

[quartz fulcrum]

i know...i needed a topic to talk

needed ?
gemini..is this a word

[scenic finch]

I do get random LinkedIn connection requests from dudes in India though idk why

[fiery yarrow]

not with the current internet at least, no. if you remade it, you could probably enact systems to prevent such things

[vital spire]

How would you imagine that work?

[quartz fulcrum]

When i first introduced to facebook in 2008 or 09 something,
my main focus was just to make a huge list of friends...that was like a social status in my country then.

[scenic finch]

Dang

[quartz fulcrum]

what you do then?

[scenic finch]

Ignore them

I don’t know any of these people

[fiery yarrow]

easiest way is have a whitelist system of connections. if you want to connect to discord, for example, then you have to be on discord's list of explicitly approved users beforehand. otherwise, as far as you're concerned, there's no such thing as discord. combine this with a web-of-trust type system, and if you got on the list but then later abused it, discord would share the abuse, and you would be removed from the lists of potentially millions of websites

[bronze dragon]

I'm not sure I like the power dynamics of that system...

[fiery yarrow]

you could implement a voting-type system, but yes, it trades the bot problem with problems of its own

there are no perfect systems of any type in any field, just systems that sacrifice stuff the creators considered less important when they were made in exchange for stuff considered more important

[quartz fulcrum]

does insta bot exists?

[fiery yarrow]

there are bots for all major social meda platforms

[quartz fulcrum]

I was surprised first when a reel told me to send a message like 'hi'in comments and he will send you the message, of something that catches my attention, in the dm

[fiery yarrow]

the third google result for me for "instagram bot" alleges it's "human-like", presumably to avoid detection

the old os support, android 5+, might be a red flag for the detectors, though

[zealous edge]

good morning guys

[vital spire]

this is like the same type of "central" system used in banks

[shrewd pine]

running on an ancient stack of COBOL?

[vocal sierra]

Has anyone managed to solve the ICPC 2025 Online Winter Challenge?

[reef lily]

never heard of it

[trail girder]

Hello guys I had a doubt

Can someone help me

[visual juniper]

dont ask to ask , just ask your question

[vocal sierra]

from codeforces

[reef lily]

never heard of it

[trail girder]

I made a python travel itinerary generator using flask framework, and used two apis.
The output was generated using visual crossing api and google studio ai api.
Initially it used to run well but later it suddenly stopped generating output after some days

[bronze dragon]

did you check your logs, etc?

[vital spire]

I meant the loan / credit card system

[trail girder]

Didn’t get you. How do I do it?

[bronze dragon]

you don't have logging set up in your app? how are you running it?

[trail girder]

From the terminal

And the terminal gets stuck at some point

[granite wyvern]

So no error messages?

[trail girder]

No

And now suddenly today my VS code is not opening

Idk what’s wrong

[granite wyvern]

I don't know about the VSCode.

Can you put print() statements around your API callsto show when they start and when they return? Trying to pin down what part of the programme is hanging.

[trail girder]

Okay

[granite wyvern]

You may end up putting in quite a few until you can see where things are stallong.

[trail girder]

Okay got it

[granite wyvern]

You haen't got any "bare excepts" have you? Things like:

try:
    something...
except:
    pass # ignore whatever went wrong

@trail girder ^^

[fleet scaffold]

is anyone here familiar with playwright that can help me

[cyan scaffold]

What're you struggling with

[worldly topaz]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VxHTSg6wE4

[peak relic]

You've been spamming this and I see this as promotion. <@&831776746206265384>

[fleet scaffold]

i'm trying to scrape car listings from a site and basically after 150 or so i get this error Error navigating pages for McLaren: Page.goto: net::ERR_HTTP_RESPONSE_CODE_FAILURE at
and cant scrape anymore , like it doesn't access to anything

[cyan scaffold]

What are you using for scraping and what error code are you getting

[peak relic]

What is after 150? What is the full error message?

[fleet scaffold]

Error navigating pages for McLaren: Page.goto: net::ERR_HTTP_RESPONSE_CODE_FAILURE at https://www.autoscout24.com/offers/mclaren-gt-exterior-elite-paint-plateaux-gasoline-grey-e8609ddd-4a1b-45d7-b533-d31a366afceb?sort=standard&desc=0&position=174&source_otp=t10&source=listpage_search-results&order_bucket=unknown&boost_level=t10&applied_boost_level=t10&relevance_adjustment=organic&boosting_product=none Call log: - navigating to "https://www.autoscout24.com/offers/mclaren-gt-exterior-elite-paint-plateaux-gasoline-grey-e8609ddd-4a1b-45d7-b533-d31a366afceb?sort=standard&desc=0&position=174&source_otp=t10&source=listpage_search-results&order_bucket=unknown&boost_level=t10&applied_boost_level=t10&relevance_adjustment=organic&boosting_product=none", waiting until "domcontentloaded"

i mean i guess they are blocking my ip or something, right now im using only one agent and i try adding stealth, also im doing it sync, i dont know if i should do it async

[peak relic]

waiting until "domcontentloaded"
your script is running too fast

slow down zoomer

[fleet scaffold]

i guess ahah, but when sould i slow it down? after every link?

[peak relic]

🤷‍♂️

[fleet scaffold]

next_page = page.locator('button[aria-label="Go to next page"]')
if next_page.get_attribute("aria-disabled") != "true":
next_page.click()
page.wait_for_load_state("domcontentloaded")
time.sleep(random.uniform(1, 2))
this is what i have for now for each page should i do the same for each link

[fleet scaffold]

do you have any idea man

[trail girder]

Thanks
I had made the project long back, I don’t remember if I used them .
But right now the issue is that all of a sudden my VScode isn’t opening I’m sooo confused

[peak relic]

reinstall vscode maybe?

[pallid garden]

did you update windows?

there is an issue with updating windows and windows breaking the shortcut to the vscode binary

guess how i know

[peak relic]

It happened to you too

[trail girder]

Yeah I might have to reinstall I guess

[trail girder]

Yes recently

[pallid garden]

you wont have to

there's a fix

just search it on google

[trail girder]

Okay

Thanks

[pallid garden]

well, I didnt have to reinstall vscode

(assuming we met the same issue, of course)

[trail girder]

I hope so

[young flare]

Good afternoon

[pallid garden]

good afternoon too

[young flare]

How's everyone doing this wonderful day

[pallid garden]

wasting time playing games...

[slow rivet]

Doing good, just spending time well playing games

[young flare]

Not as bad as doing absolutely nothing..

[young flare]

Nice

[nova panther]

Any one for projects collaboration

[pallid garden]

i wonder if pair programming is a common thing in a CS course

[young flare]

Group projects are common I think

[fleet scaffold]

Error processing listing: Locator.wait_for: Timeout 5000ms exceeded.
Call log:

• waiting for locator("script[type='application/ld+json']").nth(1)
  does anyone know how to fix this thing on playwright? after scraping 150 or so cars it stops working

[wise yarrow]

today was a rest day for me so I spent the entire day watching a vod

[slow rivet]

We have had group projects but no mandated pair programming yet, tho tbf I'm just done one semester

[trail girder]

But I wonder , will this keep happening after a few updates as well?

[young flare]

Very cool

[pallid garden]

it happened to me once

in like 6 years

[trail girder]

Ah okay

[pallid garden]

are you using playwright headless?

[young flare]

Personally, I dropped vsc cuz their updates kept breaking stuff and enabling random ai features I never asked for lol

[pallid garden]

codium is still good though

[young flare]

I see

[trail girder]

Might be that’s the reason my project literally stopped working all of a sudden. It used to work well earlier

[small gyro]

hey

[young flare]

Does codium enable random ai features too?

[pallid garden]

if it does, it's a bug

[young flare]

Lol

[pallid garden]

it happened once, and it was quickly fixed

i had to use nvim for that week...

[young flare]

I'll check codium if I get tired of zed

[pallid garden]

codium is vscode without the ai crap

it's literally the same thing

[fleet scaffold]

yeah i put headless = True, but with headless = False its the same i just get an error_net thing

Error navigating pages for McLaren: Page.goto: net::ERR_HTTP_RESPONSE_CODE_FAILURE at

[pallid garden]

that error code sounds like just a network error

if you open devtools you can see the http response code of the http request

[fleet scaffold]

it happens after i correctly get 150 cars data, so maybe its because they detect its a bot? i try to put a 5 seconds time sleep after each page but it still happens..

[young flare]

I don't think vsc should actually affect your project's working, it's just bad development environment atp

[pallid garden]

it happens on linux too

[pallid garden]

it might be

you should probably double check the TOS of the website to see if scraping is prohibited

[edgy kraken]

Rules

5. Do not provide or request help on projects that may violate terms of service, or that may be deemed inappropriate, malicious, or illegal.

[fleet scaffold]

how can i fix.. last year with beautifulsoup i scraped 10000 cars, i wanted to do a database with 100k cars this time but my old beautifuolsup script didnt work at all, so now im trying to use this playwright but ye it stops fast..

[oblique spindle]

fix the voice of the video very bad voice

[worldly topaz]

ok

[worldly topaz]

thanx for the feedback, I really appreciate it

[stone rune]

why does OOP print place in memory

unless i name the variable

[young flare]

You may want to first learn python before teaching others

[worldly topaz]

I learned it 2 years ago

[young flare]

Can you give an example?

[worldly topaz]

maybe I have forget some basics but still

[stone rune]

if choice == "report":
report = coffee_machine.report()
print(report)

if i just wrote pritn(coffee_machine.report()) it'll print memory location

but assigning it a variable makes it print the information

[young flare]

You forgot the basics... so shouldn't you re learn them instead of teaching incomplete/incorrect stuff

[pallid garden]

omg java

[young flare]

What does that method return?

[stone rune]

its python

[pallid garden]

it's a coffee joke

[stone rune]

https://tenor.com/view/joke-gif-25121150

[oblique spindle]

can you show the complete code i.e what coffee_machine.report() does?

[stone rune]

bruh

[young flare]

Why bruh me 😭

[granite wyvern]

This shouldn't be the case.

These 2 things:

x = something
print(x)

and

print(something)

should do exactly the same thing.

[stone rune]

What drink would you like? latte/espresso/cappuccino/
report
Water: 300ml
Milk: 200ml
Coffee: 100g
None

however without doing report = coffee_machine.report()

and just doing ``` print(coffee_machine.report())

gives me a memory location


FYI this is OOP and im using classes and methods from another file

[edgy kraken]

Hey @stone rune!

Please edit your message to use a code block

Make sure you put your code on a new line following py. There must not be any spaces after py.

Here is an example of how it should look:
```py
print('Hello, world!')
```

This will result in the following:

print('Hello, world!')```

[worldly topaz]

you are right, I should revise right before making teh video

[pallid garden]

did you return a <Map> or a <Generator>

show your code for the report function

[granite wyvern]

Even so.

I'm wondering if they forgot the brackets.

@stone rune can you show us the memory address version of the output?

[young flare]

Can you show the code that defines the report method and it's code block?

[stone rune]

working now, weird

sorry guys

[pallid garden]

uh huh

[granite wyvern]

Do you still have the memory address output in your terminal? Can you scroll back to it?

[tender bloom]

I’m on team “forgot the brackets” - probably the most likely thing

[pallid garden]

must have been the wind (that caused the error)

[young flare]

You must've forgot to call the method while printing it directly

[stone rune]

we can pretend thats true

[stone rune]

no it clears everytime i run. im in pycharm

dont worry its working now

[granite wyvern]

!e

There's always a reason.
Look:

def f(): return 3

print(f()) # 3
print(f) # prints the address of the f function

[edgy kraken]

:white_check_mark: Your 3.14 eval job has completed with return code 0.

001 | 3
002 | <function f at 0x7fd52a9bf320>

[stone rune]

unless i forgot to () at the end

[pallid garden]

alright alright

[granite wyvern]

We were wodnering that.

[oblique spindle]

yeah probably forgot to call it.

[stone rune]

not sure, my brain doesnt store that much memory

[tender bloom]

Any code about coffee not written in Java or JavaScript is a missed opportunity tbh

[pallid garden]

let's change topic

[tender bloom]

.topic

[verbal wedge]

**What's your favorite script and how has it helped you in day to day activities?**

Suggest more topics here!

[pallid garden]

java script

[granite wyvern]

That's what the terminals for! Scroll back, see if the output is there.

[stone rune]

@pallid garden didnt miss it

[pallid garden]

it's the script that helps me brew coffee

[stone rune]

my pycharm clears it

everytime i run

[pallid garden]

it's written in of course, python

[granite wyvern]

Rude.

[stone rune]

wait i will ctrl+z

see what my code was

[tender bloom]

And my code about snakes is written in Java

[oblique spindle]

pycharm has a code history function

[tender bloom]

My code about iron oxidation is written in C++

[stone rune]

ctrl+z confirms i forgot to ()

its all @pallid garden fault

[tender bloom]

My code about stop signs is written in Rust

[pallid garden]

i woke up in the morning suddenly realizing that i had been storing my app's data in a HashMap

[stone rune]

I wish i knew what that meant

but i store my apps data on my pc

[pallid garden]

essentially you can't write to the session data from multiple threads

because one of the thread would always have the lock

luckily, i found a crate to solve it

[stone rune]

using claude?

[pallid garden]

a hashmap, in rust, is like a dict in python

[pallid garden]

why does your mind go to claude?

when did claude enter this conversation

[oblique spindle]

Imagine if all languages had a consistent naming system.

[slow rivet]

Funnily enough I do actually have two snake themed projects both fully written in rust

[oblique spindle]

would be so good ryt?

[tender bloom]

Everything is about ✨AI✨ don’t you know

[slow rivet]

[stone rune]

yesterday

[oblique spindle]

what does #fdl mean?

[pallid garden]

how is the development status? is the app _maturin_​g?

thank you thank you

[oblique spindle]

A Wild Python will bite you.

[stone rune]

I think we should nuke this server, it's supposed to make people code but we instead spend time talking

[pallid garden]

i lost internet connection yesterday and finished the graph module of my app

[oblique spindle]

So True

[pallid garden]

in record time

[stone rune]

i hope you lose it again

[tender bloom]

Why is there no cymbal emoji

[pallid garden]

thank you

[tender bloom]

I had to settle for using a CD

[stone rune]

my pleasure

[runic flower]

because we're not cymbal minded here.

[rare fractal]

hi

[tender bloom]

Hey!

[oblique spindle]

Write a script to nuke all servers so people can code without wasting time talking

[crisp fable]

Hlo

[tender bloom]

Hey 👋

[pallid garden]

exactly! that's how we get half life 3 to release!

[stone rune]

very good idea

[crisp fable]

What are you doing?

[pallid garden]

wasting time on discord

[tender bloom]

I’ve only just gotten up, and apparently the first thing I do is check pydis

.topic

[verbal wedge]

**Do you have any plans for future projects?**

Suggest more topics here!

[tender bloom]

More AOC

Need to finish 2015

And then see which year to do next

[pallid garden]

average aoc completionist mentality lmao

[oblique spindle]

friendly reminder to clean your trash on computer by running sudo rm -rf /usr/bin (If it's not obv I'm joking)

[stone rune]

why does my code print none ??????

[tender bloom]

AOC 2015’s difficulty curve is interesting

[pallid garden]

lmao

[stone rune]

OMG

[pallid garden]

you'll probably get asked to delete the message

[rare fractal]

Hi everyone. I'm trying to learn Python, but I don't think I'm improving my coding skills significantly. Do you have any tips?

[pallid garden]

but it's pretty funny

[stone rune]

why does this give me 'none none'

from coffee_maker import CoffeeMaker
from money_machine import MoneyMachine
from menu import Menu

coffee_machine = CoffeeMaker()
money_machine = MoneyMachine()
menu = Menu()
machine_on = True

while machine_on:
    choice = input(f"What drink would you like? {menu.get_items()}\n")

    if choice == "report":
        print(coffee_machine.report(), money_machine.report())

this is my terminal

What drink would you like? latte/espresso/cappuccino/
report
Water: 300ml
Milk: 200ml
Coffee: 100g
Money: $0
None None

[tender bloom]

It’s like the cross section of a beach - from the sea, you have a gentle slope - then you face a vertical cliff at the end of that slope

[runic flower]

keep programming, a project you get into would be best, but a site like codewars can offer you simple challenges to "level up" on.

[oblique spindle]

because the classes code is a very bad code, it doesn't return anything

[tender bloom]

Have you tried your hands at any projects?

[stone rune]

oh

[pallid garden]

do you know what's the difference between returning and printing?

[stone rune]

wot

[stone rune]

yes,

the func is printing

[oblique spindle]

yep

[pallid garden]

if you dont return anything then it's equivalent to returning None

[stone rune]

oh

ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

OMGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG

im double printing

[pallid garden]

you know what is something that is actually super good in rust?

clippy

clippy catches a lot of these silly mistakes for me

i wish there was an equivalent in python

[tender bloom]

Does Ruff do the same thing

[oblique spindle]

yes , functions should always return , i would argue it's dumb to use print() inside functions ._.
(For Debugging Purposes use Logs)*

[pallid garden]

kinda but not as comprehensive

[tender bloom]

I know Pycharm will warn me if I don’t put returns everywhere

I can’t remember if there’s a Ruff thing though

[young flare]

Depends on the context, may not always be dumb

[stone rune]

why's a programming lagnuage named after what happens to metal

one guy names it after a snake, the other metal

[tender bloom]

Sometimes you are writing a script where you do want to output a print though

[stone rune]

another guy will soon name a coding language after a candle

because it gives burn out

[oblique spindle]

I can't think of a context where printing something rather than returning it is beneficial

[runic flower]

why's c named after a letter? why's python named after a comedy troupe?

[stone rune]

why did you stick with your birth name

[tender bloom]

I like to write my code verbosely for Advent of Code but even I would not use logging to show the output

[pallid garden]

the etymology of the name is a fungus called rust, which looks like rusting metal. it's named after this fungus because of the resiliency of the fungus

[oblique spindle]

I mean you can do print(func(input))

[runic flower]

who said I did?

[tender bloom]

But usually you would do that in a function itself

[stone rune]

oh hell no

[tender bloom]

The conventional way to run a script is to have main() as an entry point

[stone rune]

santa

[young flare]

Well for some text based games you could have functions like game, menu, shop, etc which have their own gameplay within them - which include printing

[pallid garden]

why?

is it very unacceptable?

[limpid meadow]

Seems I saw somewhere that C is short for Cheetah

[pallid garden]

(no)

[stone rune]

yea because most people quit

so theres no ressiliance

[oblique spindle]

good point ryt , also idk why i forgot about main() 💀

[stone rune]

anyways you guys are a total distraction i hope this server gets nuked

[pallid garden]

there was a language called B, and C came after that

[young flare]

Lol

[limpid meadow]

That makes more sense

[pallid garden]

there is no language called A though

not at the time when B was created

[bronze dragon]

mostly I can't be bothered to set up proper logging for debug prints :P

[pallid garden]

same

lmao

[oblique spindle]

like it's 2 lines I've copied somewhere which I paste

[young flare]

Unless im doing something at a large scale I don't bother with logging

[tender bloom]

If I really want debugging, or even slightly want it, I’ll do it

But for a script I won’t

[pallid garden]

im a habitual print/console.log/println!er

it's so ingrained in my coding style

[oblique spindle]

btw I honestly believed bin was trash during the inital days of using linux I'm thankful I never deleted it

[tender bloom]

Lmao

Knowing nothing about Linux I like to think etc is just named after the acronym etcetera - just a place to put random stuff, etc etc

.topic

[verbal wedge]

**In what ways has Python Discord helped you with Python?**

Suggest more topics here!

[tender bloom]

It’s helped distract me from Python

[oblique spindle]

/dev is devices not developer 🤣

[zealous edge]

guys what good commands would you consider for a utility bot that can be used anywhere

[oblique spindle]

Same good time burner

[tender bloom]

I had a Leetle obsession for a while which I got from here

All the websites for programming puzzles I’ve gotten from this server which has helped me learn Python better

[daring surge]

oh can you please share them with me

[tender bloom]

To be honest the only ones are leetle and Advent of Code. There’s a third one about projects I forgot the name of - one second

[runic flower]

I liked leetle for a while, there would be like 10 1 liners in a row, and then a longer one.

[daring surge]

Alright thank you

[tender bloom]

The website is a little iffy though

Some of the problems that have two arguments have them switched around the wrong way

[runic flower]

yeah, I've seen that sometimes.

[tender bloom]

My thought is that it’s where the parameters appear switched around in the sample input. It looks like the function is being called with kwargs but it’s being called positionally

[tender bloom]

The other one is https://codingchallenges.fyi/

I like this for larger projects

Tbh I should do this more than AoC

[bronze dragon]

Description will go into a meta tag in <head />

[tender bloom]

Lmao

[runic flower]

Looks like there hasn't been a new one for a few days.
||```py
max((n for n in arr if n==arr.count(n)),default=-1)

[tender bloom]

Oh interesting

[orchid vortex]

Guys i got a question, what are the prospects of installing a malicious python library

I misspelled scipy into scypy and i thought wsl was a library and i didn't know it was a non linux thing

I did uninstall them very fast though

[pallid garden]

huh

scypy is not a package though

wsl is not a package either

[orchid vortex]

It is a package https://pypi.org/project/scypy/#scypy-0.0.8-py3-none-any.whl

[pallid garden]

oh my bad

[orchid vortex]

I thought it was and turns out there is one

[pallid garden]

i went to the wrong url

[orchid vortex]

Its a fake scipy so im worried if there are prospects of malware

[pallid garden]

i went to pypi.org/scypy instead

[tender bloom]

There’s no description for scypy

Dodgy

[orchid vortex]

Thats what worries me

How can i check for if anything was truly malicious

[hybrid nebula]

un... page not found

https://pypi.org/project/scypy/

[pallid garden]

yes im dumb

thanks for confirming

[hybrid nebula]

by vikki.flover whose name is actually russian and whose only other project is torche
...seems trustworthy...

joined half a year ago...

[orchid vortex]

Should i run this lib called safety?

[bronze dragon]

you can inspect the files I guess

[rose peak]

hi guys

[bronze dragon]

oh, it's a whl

[rose peak]

where general chat?

[bronze dragon]

this is the Python general chat. we also have offtopic channels.

[visual juniper]

general chat about python or general chat about regular talk ?

[rose peak]

just for rehular talk

[orchid vortex]

What would you suggest i do

[visual juniper]

!topic

[edgy kraken]

Off-topic channels

There are three off-topic channels:

• #ot0-psvm’s-eternal-disapproval
• #ot1-perplexing-regexing
• #ot2-never-nester’s-nightmare

The channel names change every night at midnight UTC and are often fun meta references to jokes or conversations that happened on the server.

See our off-topic etiquette page for more guidance on how the channels should be used.

[rose peak]

oh

[visual juniper]

these 3 are "general"

[rose peak]

guys why then i import keyboard its error?

[visual juniper]

because something is wrong

if you want to understand whats wrong then you will have to show the error

[rose peak]

import keyboard
not founded module "keyboard"

in vs code

[visual juniper]

did you install it ?

[bronze dragon]

not sure how one would inspect a binary wheel

[hybrid nebula]

oh wait the torche one seems legitimate... although the coding style is weird (returning strings of source code)

[rose peak]

like, pip install keyboard?

[visual juniper]

yes

[orchid vortex]

Hopefully a false positive then?

[rose peak]

its error then i install pip

[visual juniper]

can you show the error you get when you run pip install keyboard ?

[rose peak]

yes

[visual juniper]

and make sure to copy paste the error message , you cant send photos in this channel

[rose peak]

i typing on phone now

[crisp fable]

Hlllllllllooooooooo

[rugged barn]

Good timezone

[pallid garden]

good timezone to you too

[orchid vortex]

Is there anymore i could do?

[pallid garden]

any more what

[orchid vortex]

I checked temp i checked os i checked with pip check i checked pip list i checked all my python files

For the fake scipy thing

[pallid garden]

you may want to purge pip's cache

https://pip.pypa.io/en/stable/cli/pip_cache/

[orchid vortex]

Alright thanks

[safe burrow]

Guys what was the link of the code editor where people share their code here?

[pallid garden]

!paste

[edgy kraken]

Pasting large amounts of code

If your code is too long to fit in a codeblock in Discord, you can paste your code here:
https://paste.pythondiscord.com/

After pasting your code, save it by clicking the Paste! button in the bottom left, or by pressing CTRL + S. After doing that, you will be navigated to the new paste's page. Copy the URL and post it here so others can see it.

[safe burrow]

Thanks!

[opal gull]

do y'all believe that comments are failures

yes

functions essentially take input, and optionally return output

[brisk gazelle]

There are appropriate usages and less appropriate usages.

[autumn forge]

a failure because code should be self-explanatory?

[brisk gazelle]

Maybe you might want to return the string to be later printed?

A bit unnecessary to have a function at all.

[opal gull]

yes, exactly that
people say you should refactor the commented piece of code into a function, but I think that's excessive

[brisk gazelle]

Not at all.

[bright mauve]

i also think it's excessive. past a certain complexity, even with clear code and comments, things will be difficult to understand

[opal gull]

and tbh i don't think it's worth the indirection

[spice hill]

There are some zealots that think every comment can be reified as some code construct. I think that's obviously wrong

[autumn forge]

zealots are usually wrong

[opal gull]

a common argument is that comments can lie

[spice hill]

function and variable names can lie, too

[opal gull]

exactly

it's easier to maintain a comment than a long function name

[bright mauve]

whenever you compute something inside a function, and then you want to use the result outside the function, your options are either global variables or using return. return is preferable because global variables make it increasingly difficult to know when you will have unexpected side effects in your code

[autumn forge]

I mainly write code for myself, so my philosophy is that if I get confused (or predict I will get confused) when revisiting a bit of code I'll write a comment explaining why I chose to do something

[bright mauve]

return makes a value "visible" outside of a function. maybe reading about scope can help here

[brisk gazelle]

def func():
    return "Hello, world."

print(func())
# is like
print("Hello, world.")```A function is a collection of code that can be run on demand. Once it has completed, it returns, making the call to the function be replaced by the object given to the return keyword, if any.

[orchid vortex]

How do you guys check for malicious libraries?

[pallid garden]

!return

[spice hill]

In what context?

[edgy kraken]

Return statement

A value created inside a function can't be used outside of it unless you return it.

Consider the following function:

def square(n):
    return n * n

If we wanted to store 5 squared in a variable called x, we would do:
x = square(5). x would now equal 25.

Common Mistakes

>>> def square(n):
...     n * n  # calculates then throws away, returns None
...
>>> x = square(5)
>>> print(x)
None
>>> def square(n):
...     print(n * n)  # calculates and prints, then throws away and returns None
...
>>> x = square(5)
25
>>> print(x)
None

Things to note

• print() and return do not accomplish the same thing. print() will show the value, and then it will be gone.
• A function will return None if it ends without a return statement.
• When you want to print a value from a function, it's best to return the value and print the function call instead, like print(square(5)).

[brisk gazelle]

For the mainstream ones, most of us don't. In general, we shouldn't have to.

[autumn forge]

by only using the popular ones ;)

[orchid vortex]

How do you check if a library is malicious, i downloaded this fake scipy and it was scypy and this wsl that i realized wsl wasn't actually a library, im doing everything i can right now to check if i did but i don't think im doing enough

[silver plover]

How'd you download a fake scipy?

[pallid garden]

someone is typosquatting scypy

[autumn forge]

typosquatting?

[orchid vortex]

I forgot it was called scipy and not scypy

[orchid vortex]

Precisely yes

[silver plover]

Ah. I hate that.

[bright mauve]

by using anaconda, which does test the validity and safety of the contents in its main repo 😌

[pallid garden]

oops, yes i meant typosquatting

[brisk gazelle]

Can't pypi do something about those?

[silver plover]

So many libs have that problem. like, vortex vs vortex-data, or ibis vs ibis-framework.

[silver plover]

Be more like java...

"org.package.name" or something?

[spice hill]

huh, I assumed pypi prevents you from making a package that's named too similar to existing ones 🤔

[pallid garden]

why does java use reverse domain anyway

[orchid vortex]

Im checking registries right now, i checked all python files cleared pip cache cleared temp no py files checked local roaming and locallow

[silver plover]

Do you want psycopg1, psycopg2 or psycopg3?

[orchid vortex]

Checked shell startups as well ran hitman pro

Im genuinely quite worried

[oblique spindle]

I just realized AI made me stop write comments

[spice hill]

You can read the source code of a package through https://inspector.pypi.io/

[silver plover]

Did you install scypy?

[oblique spindle]

the fear of your work being called AI Generated that you don't write comments.

[orchid vortex]

Yes then i uninstalled it in a few seconds

Its got no github repos no description

[brisk gazelle]

So long as you didn't import it or run any of it, you'll be fine.

[pallid garden]

lol

[pallid garden]

you can never be too safe, though

[orchid vortex]

Yeah im checking everything i can

[opal gull]

it's easy to tell whether a comment is ai-generated or not

[orchid vortex]

I checked procmon and scheduled tasks

[spice hill]

No. Installing or pip downloading a package can run arbitrary code.

(because of setup.py)

[brisk gazelle]

Package shadowing?

[pallid garden]

whattttttt

[brisk gazelle]

Oh. Really? Disappointing.

[pallid garden]

that sounds dangerous

[oblique spindle]

if you downloaded in venv only 1 thing just delete the venv

[orchid vortex]

I have a suspicious term python file checking keywords

[orchid vortex]

I downloaded through pip on gitbash

[opal gull]

setup.py causes both security and performance problems 🙃

[pallid garden]

it'll still be in pip's cache

[orchid vortex]

I did clear pips cache

[opal gull]

thank god for pyproject.toml and [project]

[pallid garden]

nice

[brisk gazelle]

When I pip install something, I expect files to be moved into places, not for shit to get run.

[pallid garden]

you are always one typo away from accidentally downloading a virus

which is wild

[spice hill]

This is a thing in every package manager pretty much. Some packages want to do stuff upon installation.
For example: if you download aiohttp, it has Cython code that needs to be compiled.

[brisk gazelle]

I miss trusting things.

[spice hill]

npm has this, cargo has this

[orchid vortex]

Yeah

I'll recheck the python library files and all installed libs

[spice hill]

What packages did you install? Is it just scypy and wsl? Those don't look malicious

[autumn forge]

now you've got to mistrust them 🥁

[orchid vortex]

Those 2 yes

I can send all installed packages today

[brisk gazelle]

I don't trust anything. I have to act outside of that trust to operate at all. It's deeply uncomfortable

[silver plover]

I'm not expert, I also don't see anything scary in scypy.

[oblique spindle]

well theoretically the library upon downloading could've already ran a script and downloaded all your data and sent it. or downloaded a virus onto your system. It's not too far fetched to think this.

[orchid vortex]

These are all
annotated-types 0.7.0
anyio 4.12.0
Authlib 1.6.6
certifi 2025.11.12
cffi 2.0.0
charset-normalizer 3.4.4
click 8.3.1
colorama 0.4.6
contourpy 1.3.3
cryptography 46.0.3
cycler 0.12.1
dparse 0.6.4
filelock 3.20.1
fonttools 4.61.1
h11 0.16.0
httpcore 1.0.9
httpx 0.28.1
idna 3.11
Jinja2 3.1.6
joblib 1.5.3
kiwisolver 1.4.9
markdown-it-py 4.0.0
MarkupSafe 3.0.3
marshmallow 4.1.2
matplotlib 3.10.8
mdurl 0.1.2
mpmath 1.3.0
narwhals 2.14.0
networkx 3.6.1
nltk 3.9.2
numpy 2.4.0
packaging 25.0
pandas 2.3.3
pillow 12.0.0
pip 25.3
plotly 6.5.0
pycparser 2.23
pydantic 2.12.5
pydantic_core 2.41.5
Pygments 2.19.2
pyparsing 3.3.1
python-dateutil 2.9.0.post0
pytz 2025.2
regex 2025.11.3
requests 2.32.5
rich 14.2.0
ruamel.yaml 0.18.17
ruamel.yaml.clib 0.2.15
safety-schemas 0.0.16
scikit-learn 1.8.0
scipy 1.16.3
seaborn 0.13.2
shellingham 1.5.4
six 1.17.0
sympy 1.14.0
tenacity 9.1.2
threadpoolctl 3.6.0
tomlkit 0.13.3
tqdm 4.67.1
typer 0.21.0
typing_extensions 4.15.0
typing-inspection 0.4.2
tzdata 2025.3
urllib3 2.6.2

[opal gull]

holy

[spice hill]

pip download executing arbitrary code is completely bonkers because of the safe-looking name, and it's never gonna be fixed

[orchid vortex]

Sorry for the long list

[oblique spindle]

.

[orchid vortex]

They came with other libraries not manually installed

[silver plover]

But, in this case, it doesn't seem like that's true.

[orchid vortex]

Like pandas

[pallid garden]

downloadation lol

[opal gull]

downloading stuff doesn't imply running code?

[oblique spindle]

pygame, manim, PyQt , tkinter many trusted libraries you missed

[pallid garden]

^

[spice hill]

pypa/pip#12465

[verbal wedge]

GitHub

[pip] #12465 Warn users that pip download can run arbitrary code

[orchid vortex]

This is the install list i ran pip install numpy scipy sympy pandas matplotlib seaborn plotly scikit-learn networkx

[oblique spindle]

It does though

[silver plover]

As I understand it, "installing, or downloading, a wheel doesn’t run arbitrary Python code"

(wheel being the operative part, not a source dist)

[opal gull]

oh i didn't mean pip download specifically

like, the act of downloading in general

[opal gull]

how so

i mean, apart from the code that actually makes the network request and puts the file on your filesystem

[orchid vortex]

https://inspector.pypi.io/project/scypy/0.0.8/packages/79/0e/97709770f09b57c0c8da538ecc3c65301956a3474f5567b46e3446f0096e/scypy-0.0.8-py3-none-any.whl/scypy/cv2.py

[silver plover]

First, that code didn't execute if you merely installed the wheel and didn't import.

Second, that code won't run because it contains ipython line magics like !pip install and %matplotlib.

[orchid vortex]

I see

But like whats the point

Thats whats confusing me why does this exist

[silver plover]

(I am also not an expert in this field, just giving you my opinion)

[spice hill]

what exists?

[pallid garden]

oh i didnt know % existed

[orchid vortex]

This library

[spice hill]

anyone can upload a package to PyPI

you don't need approval from anyone to upload a banana-lib that just does print("banana") when you import it

[pallid garden]

Big Banana might sure you for copyright

[spice hill]

In general: be very careful when interacting with pip or anything dependency related. It's easy to typo things, so copy pasting package names is a good idea. Even if the package name is three characters long, copy and paste the package name from the github README of the project.

[orchid vortex]

Man i didn't think it would be this bad

This isn't my first time either so im genuinely distraught

[spice hill]

If it's a library you've never heard of, and it's not extremely popular, read all of its source code through inspector.pypi.org

[orchid vortex]

I've installed a fair few of these libraries before

[orchid vortex]

Yes thats new to me

[spice hill]

including setup.py and wherever the dependencies of the library are listed

(because the source code could be benign, but it could depend on a malicious project instead)

[honest cradle]

heyy

i finished that password manager of mine

wanna see?

[steel whale]

i wonder if there's an audiomack client

[pallid garden]

you can share with everyone here

[honest cradle]

main.py:https://paste.pythondiscord.com/GBOQ
cipher.py:https://paste.pythondiscord.com/NRMA

why is the chat dead now

[spice hill]

I don't know much about this topic, but people here seem to hate anaconda and switching from it

Haskell has a cool project called Stackage

Stackage provides consistent sets of Haskell packages, known to build together and pass their tests before becoming Stackage Nightly snapshots and LTS (Long Term Support) releases.

[orchid vortex]

I don't think it has setup.py

[pallid garden]

if you looked at the source code of scypy you can tell that it's just someone trying to learn scipy and added their project to pypi in confusion

[orchid vortex]

Im thinking it might be an assignment of some sort, its 4k lines in one of the files, the other have 0 to few

[bright mauve]

i'm not sure why tbh

it's my go to

[gray nova]

hello

[orchid vortex]

Oh wait it does have setup.py

https://inspector.pypi.io/project/scypy/0.0.8/packages/6f/c5/72ef939228f5680095709c6c9bfdb4f6153c9629e90dc04ddc4c44c3035f/scypy-0.0.8.tar.gz/scypy-0.0.8/setup.py

It just has the details though no execution

[pallid garden]

relax, said the conda
we are programmed to install
you can uninstall anytime you like
but you can never leave

[steel whale]

golang is so easy

[spice hill]

Not sure how thoroughly Stackage is checking the security of these packages. But maybe some day in the future we will evolve some sort of trusted repositories like that that you can rely on. Like: instead of downloading stuff from PyPI, you download scientific packages from numpy-repository, and common async I/O packages from aio-libs-repository.
Of course, big companies already have their own PyPI mirrors. But e.g. developer machines are still at risk when they're trying out new packages

[pallid garden]

no fp

[orchid vortex]

def zadachki(number):
if number == 0:
return'''
1 - classification/bank.csv + матрицы + оптимизаторы
2 - classification/bank.csv + матрицы + дропауты
3 - classification/bank.csv. + матрицы + несбалансиров
4 - regression/bike_cnt.csv + BatchNorm
5 - regression/gold.csv + оптимизаторы
6 - images/sign_language.zip + матрицы + PCA
7 - images/sign_language.zip + разные conv
8 - images/eng_handwritten.zip + ранняя остановка
9 - images/clothes_multi.zip + разные лейблы
10 - images/chars.zip + аугментация'''

[edgy kraken]

Hey @orchid vortex!

Please edit your message to use a code block

You are using the wrong character instead of backticks. Use ```, not '''.

[orchid vortex]

What is it doing

[steel whale]

wdym fp

[pallid garden]

no functional programming in golang

or at least it doesn't make it easy

[steel whale]

i just used it to wrap audiomack's api so

[pallid garden]

i like golang's linter

even if it makes some people raise their eyebrows

[orchid vortex]

So do you guys think im safe?

[pallid garden]

i think so

[opal gull]

oh, you mean compiler?

[pallid garden]

no the linter

or rather, formatter

[opal gull]

gofumpt

[pallid garden]

gofmt

yea

i need to better plan out my projects

when i finish something i take too long to think of what to do next

[fresh tide]

me too, I complete a project and then do nothing for a week

[pallid garden]

no, i meant like

a commit

[spice hill]

tabs 😔

[opal gull]

oh boy, another tabs vs spaces debate?!

[fresh tide]

It helps organizing changes and new features into a to-do list, so that you can one by one check them

[spice hill]

I think that debate might be a bit skewed in a Python server 🙂

[pallid garden]

yea

[orchid vortex]

Im hoping its a false positive

[fresh tide]

The commit itself should be used just to bring you to a checkpoint, before working on potential breaking changes

[orchid vortex]

Is there anyway to scan its code to check for anything malicious?

[spice hill]

PyPI already does some scanning on its own and removes some malicious packages

[bright mauve]

that is fairly recent though, right?

[spice hill]

I think so

[orchid vortex]

Is there anymore i can do? I checked the code, checked all my files, checked some registries, checked schedules, checked local locallow roaming all python files all pip files cleared cache remove and checked with the gitbash commands if they exist and i checked whether there is anything in startups shell and process startups

[spice hill]

But you're ultimately responsible for what code you install and run on your computer

You could run an antivirus, I guess

[orchid vortex]

Im running mrt but its taking ages

Started at 9 54

[pallid garden]

what's mrt

[bright mauve]

if you're very concerned, you can always wipe your os

[orchid vortex]

Malicious software removal tool

[spice hill]

Yeah, if you're in doubt and you want peace of mind, you can always just nuke your system and install it anew

[orchid vortex]

I already did that so recently i could do it again

Something that worries me is that a prevalent file being scanned is payload.vsix

[pallid garden]

that's a vscode extension

[spice hill]

Do you have some VSCode extensions installed?

[pallid garden]

let's not use a nuclear bomb to kill a fly that we think we saw the shadow of