#[Hype] Hazbin Hotel

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Adam is definitely not coming back, he is DEAD-dead

errant venture
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pretty much, you kinda kinda just keep living your after life. The only person that seems to truly be suffering from it is Angel. Most of the Overlords are just CEOs pretty much with varying degrees of morals. Camila don't seem like she want to step on people to get more power well the Vees are far more willing to but even they care about optics though its nice for them they control Old Media and Social Media

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Yet another thing that hurts the premise of the show

near meteor
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Don’t tempt me with a good time lol

exotic dew
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I don’t mean to repost this a second time, but I got a thing

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W

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W

ivory rune
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I was about to say

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I wonder if Hazbin being a comic or something would’ve helped the pacing issues since you can jsut make any issue as long as you need

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But then that would’ve removed a lot of the Broadway influence huh

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Took away the songs which is really the only universally agreed on good thing about it

near meteor
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I mean, given what happened to Zoophobia? Probably not. And we’d probably never see the end of the story, at least this way she’s beholden to contracts to finish content on time.

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But now that the other 2 seasons are both greenlit, the pacing issues of season 1 should be long gone

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There’s the proof right there

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@wheat flicker

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It did improve in season 2, so hopefully they have the formula now

exotic dew
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There’s also this which is the original pitch Bible

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I like this for multiple reasons mainly because a lot of stuff was different than what we got in the actual show and there’s even a couple hints of stuff that got later used in helluva boss

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@wheat flicker

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These clear up a lot of my previous theories/issues

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I always thought that Sir Pentious having a thing for Cherri Bomb (and especially vice versa) came out of nowhere and was a retcon of the pilot

errant venture
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oh it very much was

near meteor
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The thing about the Pitch Bible and the Issues Outline, is they clearly show a lack of desire to write a serious, serialized story. Which is fine, just make an episodic show. All I get from that all is that Hazbin would have been better off as an episodic comedy type thing than what we got.

ivory rune
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With minor bits of serialization

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Cause it really does feel like everyone is under characterized except Angel, Alastor and Vox

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Wait does the pitch bible or the outline or whatever say that Hazbin is meant to be female led?

ivory rune
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These episodes sound great, why couldn’t we have gotten these

desert jackal
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Is Helluva the same way?

ivory rune
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In what way?

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Cause I wouldn’t really call Helluva episodic anymore

desert jackal
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I haven't seen it to know if its episodic or serialized

ivory rune
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It started episodic

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Then when the focus became the relationship drama, it became serialized

desert jackal
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Ah, the Steven Universe route 🫡

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Solid route, was popular in the 2010s

ivory rune
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Except more gay and less subtle

desert jackal
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Yeah Cartoon Network was only going to allow so much gay in the 2010s, but even the amount they allowed opened the doors for a lot

ivory rune
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Is there a father son combo that actually get along in the Hellaverse

indigo gorge
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Man I could write Abel so much better

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The story to cain and abel and Adam in this context has so much potential at least to me

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I could do this man

ivory rune
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The original tweet has a good point

indigo gorge
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Agreed

ivory rune
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Like

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Why would Adam prefer Cain when Cain was the first murderer

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You think Adam congratulated Cain for killing Abel?

indigo gorge
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I am working on the notion that Adam was always awful since he did demand Lilith bow to him and didnt like that Lucifer "took" his wife.

So I have half a working theory that Adam was just awful day one feeling like mister special man. He possibly did favor Cain or at least care a little bit more, OR didnt pay attention to his kids much at all. While Abel found favor from God, Cain got mad about it and murders his brother. Adam couldve been busy with Eve for all we know and he could either praise Cain or not care.

ivory rune
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But then how did Adam get into heaven

indigo gorge
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Beyond me, outside of being mister special

ivory rune
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Sera even said that Adam was the first human soul in heaven

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Which like….

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Does that mean that Adam died before Cain or Abel?

indigo gorge
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Thats what Im also confused on

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And I got given a comic dub once where Adam explained Abel was the first "boy" but adam was first "man" as in full grown man not child

ivory rune
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That actually sounds kind of funny

indigo gorge
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It does amuse me that regardless, what did Sera/Emily even think when Abel shows up in heaven like "Hiii....my brother killed me :("

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mystic raptor
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The tweet does specify father and son dynamics. I assume cause Charlie and Lucifer is basically the exception.

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mystic raptor
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But also Octavia and Stolas exist.

ivory rune
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But there’s not a single father son relationship in Hellaverse that’s positive

desert jackal
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Damn

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It may say a lot but how many healthy father son dynamics are there in animation vs unhealthy

ivory rune
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That’s a whole other discussion

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mystic raptor
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Blitzø is there tbf.

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mystic raptor
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You were the one who brought up Millie and her dad though. Plus, we don’t even know if Millie and Moxxie’s kid is a boy or a girl or if the kid is even going to be born by the end of the show

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Honestly I forget the pregnancy arc is even going to be a thing a lot of the time

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wheat flicker
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There are a lot of directions it could go (mainly Crimson)

mystic raptor
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💀

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Vivziepop gets ultra-cancelled

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ivory rune
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Because Millie is already an underutilized not really defined character as is

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Putting a baby in her is like the classic trope of taking a woman and making her less of a character

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Dragon ball does it all the time lol

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Tbh, as long as it is interesting and the characters have interesting development, I'm good with any route

woven robin
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Idk
The last time an adult animated series dared to go that route ended with that episode being banned

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Oh yea, Family Guy

ivory rune
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https://fixupx.com/literallydarnel/status/2003176803125592130?s=46&t=06BB8FKn2KAr88H635oXtw

#1 Sera Defender 🇵🇸 (@literallydarnel)

Vivziepop ignoring Lucifer who did WAY more for Charlie than Alastor in a shorter amount of time. I swear she always be forgetting the contents of her own show

Quoting Emma (@superstit0usl0t)
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I need people to understand I don’t care about them being canon I knew it never was I just hate the father-daughter thing because it legitimately makes NO sense for either character

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“Alastor is like a father figure to Charlie”

literally is willing to let Charlie die in the finale in order to restore his power

indigo gorge
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I thought he said the dad stuff just to piss off Lucifer

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Yeah he did back up and help charlie but that was more part of his deal then anything, and just used his presence to piss off the king of hell

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Alastor never defended Charlie the way her father does

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Lucifer is kinda silly/useless in other ways but he is a caring father

ivory rune
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I’m starting to think Viv doesn’t understand her own show

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Nothing Alastor did to help Charlie was out of the kindness of his heart

indigo gorge
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Its more in season 1 obviously but I can recall more Vaggie/Charlie going "pleeaeaase alastor can you do this for us"

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THey do thank him but still

ivory rune
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Honestly yeah

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Throw in Angel too since it’s pretty heavily implied Angel murdered his dad to protect his sister

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And Blitzo and his dad

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And Stolas and his dad

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And Abel and his dad

indigo gorge
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Season 3 I swear if we get some montage of Abel being abused somehow by his dad

ivory rune
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Watch season 3 of helluva comes out and it turns out Stella had daddy issues too

indigo gorge
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I think I'd cry

errant venture
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He never acted like a Father till Lucifer showed up. At best he only ever saw her as a business partner

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I think Millie got an alright amount of screentime/development considering season 2 was more about Blitz and Stolas

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Moxxie got a lot early on and then dropped off after his crappy episode

indigo gorge
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The only funny thing about Abel and Adam is my friend favors Adam and I favor Abel which is similar to other characters we've favored

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And then Loona never does anything in this show

ivory rune
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?

errant venture
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What?

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I'm confused

errant venture
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Also since when did someone like that stop shippers

wheat flicker
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Plus Alastor is only doing that to ragebait Lucifer

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errant venture
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You don't have to worry about Alastor being too nice

indigo gorge
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I own this now, got it as a present today from a friend's family member

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To be clear, I do greatly appreciate this and their kindness for it, Im just always usually taken back a bit people care that much to do these things.

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Hi guys

ivory rune
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I’m re-listening to the season 2 sound track and all I can say is

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Charlie better be fucking devastated by the idea that Angel left the hotel

Like more devastated than when Pentious died

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And the reason she’s not reacting is cause she doesn’t know cause they didn’t tell her out of fear of how she’d react and impact the hotel’s reputation

Basically I wanna feel like Charlie actually cares about Angel

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Let's hope Charlie has a plan to get angel back rather than storm into his workplace and grab him..

mystic raptor
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Even though the show still hasn’t given an actual reason as to why she couldn’t just do that.

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I know her dad can't do anything to the sinners..
Does that apply to her? Or did we actually lose pilot Charlie forever..

mystic raptor
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We don’t know for sure. Charlie’s not immune to making deals as shown with Alastor’s favour but it’s always stuff that’s implied but never shown.

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This is my dehydration gun I swear. It is the easiest solution in the world, what the heck is her problem? etc. etc.

ivory rune
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It’s less whether or not Charlie CAN and more whether or not Charlie wants to use her influence

indigo gorge
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I find it fascinating that she falls to the same issues as angel characters where shes just too nice for her own good most of the time. Lucifer could've ruled hell with some respectful iron fist but he didnt because hes a whimsical dreamer who's scared and depressed that humanity is awful.

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Charlie literally says its "soooo mean" to use any of her power and it only comes out when shes protecting other people around her.

ivory rune
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Charlie is too passive a character for someone with such lofty goals

indigo gorge
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They still contain these angelic properties of choosing kindness or apathy over wrath.

ivory rune
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She’s also kind of stupid

indigo gorge
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Adam and Lute are the only holy characters that ever had "negative" traits of asking questions, thinking beyond what they're told, and expressing it louder.

ivory rune
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Considering she constantly allowed herself to be manipulated by the Vees again and again

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Especially since apparently the pilot is a “soft canon” then that means that she willingly went on Katie’s show TWICE

indigo gorge
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Angels are so dumb in this show. Its kind of amusing

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desert jackal
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👍

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indigo gorge
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Was there horse centaurworld prints?

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wheat flicker
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That's amazing

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Yea, Zim voicing a character was the main thing that hooked me on Helluva Boss when episodes started coming out

indigo gorge
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It helps Imps are just irkens painted red and glued on horns

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Pretty much

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Same height and everything

indigo gorge
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Blitz, Barbie, and I think thier dad are the ones that more have head shapes like the tallest which I guess means its not super common?

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Yea

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I mean…

short pendant
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Emily was more useful than Charlie at the finale..

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indigo gorge
# ivory rune I mean…

Whats funny is in my own rambling I pointed this out how she(and pentious) were the ones to suggest the gift basket thing and thats the one time Abel made some kind of choice to follow EMILYS DIRECTION.

errant venture
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I mean you can argue Charlie was quite shelter. I do think Sera and Emily relationship is way better.

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Emily is just Charlie but in a better environment tbf

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desert jackal
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I still enjoy Emily more fwiw

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ivory rune
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Did they ever explain yet why Lucifer and Alastor despise each other?

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Like...out of all the sinners in Hell, why does Alastor get on Lucifer's nerves the most?

indigo gorge
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I dont think so, no

flint perch
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I'm guessing it's like a Homer Simpson hates Ned Flanders/Mr. Turner hates Sheldon Dinkleburg thing.

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indigo gorge
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He just said that to piss off lucifer. I dont care what the dvd commentary says

ivory rune
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He doesnt even believe in Charlie's dream

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Unless he's doing it cause Rosie wants him to I fucking guess

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indigo gorge
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It was posted here a while back but she said something about charlie seeing alastor as a father figure which doesnt even make sense from the pilot which is soft canon

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# ivory rune Did they ever explain yet why Lucifer and Alastor despise each other?

Not a canon reason, but my interpretation is that the team really love Daddy issues and might be projecting Lucifer is quite insecure of his standing with Charlie, hence the knee-jerk reaction to getting her attention. Alastor was upset about the deal made, and wanted to make sure everything went to plan so that he could get his control back. Alastor also cares a lot about optics, and enjoyed being the top person at the Hotel (Charlie may be the face, but it was Alastor who did a lot of heavy lifting). With Lucifer there, if powerscaling teaches anything, if Adam got the best of Alastor and Lucifer beat Adam, then its likely that Lucifer is stronger than Alastor. So it's a lot of ego and insecurity involved with both of them.

ivory rune
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Ok that reading is a bit fair

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I do think someone on the team loves the idea of two father-figures fighting over them

ivory rune
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Too many characters in this show have daddy issues

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And depending on who I bring it up to, they either agree with me or act like Im exaggerating

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No wait, I think it‘s Alastor’s whole wanting to be the strongest in hell thing because Alastor knows Lucifer would beat him in an instant and that would likely drive him nuts.

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Because when he got kidnapped and asked Vox how he knew, he assumed Alastor told him

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Although I guess this would be Lucifer thinking Alastor spied on him

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ivory rune
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See, that sounds amazing

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But like...

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Am I wrong to assume this is someone overthinking it nko_cry_tears '

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mystic raptor
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I think she’s said as much yeah.

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Totally weird question for everyone here before everyone here was a part of the Hellaverse fandom was anyone here originally a part of the Steven universe fandom (It was everything that at the time the Hellaverse became now) and when it ended did the Hellaverse fill that void

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Yes and no
I would argue Amphibia and TOH had filled that void for some time since those shows are in line with similar writing, not counting the short moments of other queer focused 'friendship' type shows grabbing peoples attention.

However, Hellaverse itself is the newest in that line. So currently yes it is.

exotic dew
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That’s the best answer. I’ve ever gotten out of asking that question.

mystic raptor
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I was definitely an avid watcher of Steven Universe when it was ongoing but I can’t say I was ever an active part of the fandom so there was never really a void for Hazbin or Helluva to fill.

indigo gorge
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If fandoms are your thing, you can notice a common throughline for what people jumped to next, ignoring any other media that might've held their attention that isnt mainstream cartoons on tv/streaming. Also sort of ignoring the smaller bursts of shows that came and went, but in terms of a fandom void for "queer focused/lead show with magical adventure and semi-serious to serious moral dilema", the big hitters have alot of people jumping from one to the next.

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Its also probably worth noting, G5 MLP being the massive flop it was also had a hand in this because people were ready to continue MLP hype if G5 was good. It massively FAILED due to the marketing and Hasbro's weird choices. So they had no ship to jump to and the biggest fandom focused show next to that(among the other big ones) was Viv's work. It had catered specifically to that audience of fandom and headcanon that they wanted/needed.

wheat flicker
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"Mature" as in sex and cussing

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But I'm a fan

mystic raptor
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Ignoring the gripes I’ve had with Valentino that I’ve mentioned time and again, already I don’t understand why Velvette wasn’t put in charge of operations. Valentino ain’t exactly the collected business type.

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flint perch
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I am so looking forward to tbe Vees' downfall.

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Maybe Angel will get redeemed

ivory rune
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And in the establishment of the Vees, Valentino is probably second highest

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indigo gorge
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Birds.....

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ivory rune
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Plus based on any witnesses, Val was the one to stop Vox by ripping his head off

mystic raptor
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That I can probably buy a bit more. Like yes, hell is likely sexist but that didn’t stop Katie or Carmilla from being at least somewhat prominent figures.

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I mean when it comes to Carmilla, you don’t get put in a position of power like that, you take it

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indigo gorge
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Finally

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Hating velvet more than val is always beyond me..

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I love Viv’s old style

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Also, I found out that this short timber was actually supposed to be Viv’s attempt at a kid show

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If I did collect collectibles, it may be these three.

indigo gorge
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Emily......

mystic raptor
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It’s cute though

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As much as we criticize this show, it's nice that an indie show with an original concept has gone this far

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Someone said it’s hard to figure out what’s going on in this image and….ngl I kind of agree

indigo gorge
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At first glance yeah I had to take a minute

mystic raptor
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I saw someone bring up why Bee is even here but not Vortex and it got me wondering what the theme here even is? Valentines of course but some of these characters aren’t even in a relationship in the show.

indigo gorge
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She literally runs parties, shes probably hosting the valentines celebration to begin with even if she isnt in a relationship herself

mystic raptor
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She is though. That’s the point the comment I was referring to was saying

indigo gorge
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Oh
my bad I didnt read that entirely right

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This might just be a party or just putting the most marketable characters together for fun

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# ivory rune

Stella, Crimson, and Chaz are too stupid and too ugly. Why are they there?

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Because they want all the characters

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I’m trying to figure out why they kept Asmodeus blue but made Glitz and Glam red when they’re green

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Its like if Valentines day Threw up everywhere

indigo gorge
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Isnt that the point of the image lol?

uneven pollen
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Idk i never watched the show

indigo gorge
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I mean, isnt Valentines day about pink and red?

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Viv making every thing in her show red/pink is a different thing entirely

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And the theme colors are pink and red

uneven pollen
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Can't argue with that

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So this just popped up recently, and people are going crazy

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And I’m just gonna say this right now and you all have every right to agree to disagree with me

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Valentino is a bad person. He was always a bad person because he’s a pimp and he’s just doing what every pimp does

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Yes, I’ve seen what people said about him, but here’s the thing that’s the point he’s supposed to be a bad person. He was always meant to be a bad person.

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As for portray what he does in the show is funny I never saw it personally, and considering that I have been through some things myself which I won’t mention here, I never considered it funny

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I can actually tell when the show is being serious and when the show is being funny and anything they do with Valentino, I never considered it funny

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The point that I’m trying to get across here is if anybody’s mad that Valentino does something I will say this again he’s a bad person. He was always meant to be a bad person. Pimps are never supposed to be portrayed as anything good

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What do you all think of this? Feel free to agree or disagree with me.

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I mean, that's literally who Valentino is. He's an abuser.

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I guess I can bite here.

I love me some bad guys or even jerk characters. Gumball is a jerk character. I believe the source of contention with Valentino is less about people being upset with a bad character being bad and moreso with the cultural implications of certain things and the inconsistencies of the morality/perception behind the actions itself.

Like, selling merch of an animated abuser/rapist, is expected to generate some uproar because you're profiting off of a sensitive subject. Now, if you want to say that other morally-wrong/gray things get monetized as well, you're well within your right, and that's more of an American/Internet culture inconsistency, than a reflection of Hazbin. Should Viv have done it? Should she have not? I don't really care. I'm not buying it either way, so my opinion there doesn't matter.

However, in the show, there is disonnance between the serious nature of Valentino and Angel Dust's arc to let's say, that "Sir Pentious joke". Yes, there is the school of thought that people have where you can make a joke about anything so long as it's good, but in that specific episode, you overlaid a consent joke that was intended to be funny with the serious power struggle between an abuser and a victim within the same location and time. That's narrative dissonance because you're communicating two different adjacent perceptions of this topic. The reason why, let's say, Quagmire, doesn't get as much pushback as a character is because, however you feel about him, Family Guy mostly keeps his esquapades comedic, and when they don't, those episodes predictably do not get favored as much (ex. Peter-assment).

So really it comes down to, if you want Valentino to work, you can't diminish the serious nature of abuse, which they did in that episode. Now, if you want him to be redeemed or to change a new leaf, that's a completely different can of worms, but at least that criticism is valid, imo.

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But for a better example of a good-hearted pimp:

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We forget that mass murderers are the most beloved and funny villains of all time

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You can't pick and choose which villainous acts are okay to still like the character

indigo gorge
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My only problem is that shes trying to pass this off as quirky funny about Valentino

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indigo gorge
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That doesnt mean its a good look on the writer(s) to say "Our abuser character is sooo quirky and funny, hes a little stupid and doesnt understand consent!!!"

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I understand its in murder abuse place but Viv looks not good trying to pass Valentino off as quirky

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Plus it comes off as am I supposed to take this guy seriously as a threat if you’re actively making claims like this?

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Villains can have funny moments or moments of incompetence but we have too many moments of Hazbin/Helluva villains being treated as jokes and not enough moments of them being intimidating

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I bet season 3 will portray him closer to season 1-if not even worse

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flint perch
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Same. Fuck Valentino.

ivory rune
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I’m gonna wait and see

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Cause right now it’s a lot of dramatics

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But Valentino really shouldn’t be the type to get redeemed, his sins are too bad

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The ONE character I wouldn't accept any type of sad backstory to..

flint perch
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I can say the same for the Celestial Dragons in One Piece.

ivory rune
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Which is why I found it weird he got the sad part of When I Think About Tomorrow

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I wanna hope that was like…a parody or something and not a sign

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ivory rune
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And when I say redeemed btw

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I don’t jsut mean “let into heaven”

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I also mean “I don’t think he should become a better person”

Which I normally don’t say for a lot of characters but rape is a special evil

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flint perch
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I can let slide, like, three. But the rest can die.

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uneven pollen
flint perch
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One Celestial Dragon showed some humanity for once...

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A bit late but better late than never

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indigo gorge
uneven pollen
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Oh wait I forgot this was hazbin hotel I thought we were talking abt one piece lol

indigo gorge
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No I know you were

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The gif was relevant and also funny

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indigo gorge
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I still stand by what I said about Viv being "haha uwu" about a literal rapist character. However the original tweet never explained this quote came from her commentary on "Masquerade" and that he doesn't know the definition of the word 'consent'.

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She was more referring to him being kind of illiterate.

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# indigo gorge

Oh yeahhh..comedy.
"Haha, RAPE!"
Thanks viv. I appreciate the thought..

indigo gorge
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The joke is hes illiterate

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At least, thats what Im guessing here

short pendant
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So he doesn't understand the definition of the word.? Or he just doesn't understand it as "Oh you have to ask other people BEFORE you shove your tongue down their throat"

indigo gorge
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He doesnt know the word "consent"

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As in he doesnt know its definition or meaning

short pendant
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Ahh..

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Poor attempt in humor ig..

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I do understand the bit of being on a call and goofing off about your characters I do that a lot but idk if valentino is the character you wanna do that with

indigo gorge
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It is dark humor and hes a very divisive character, I still hate him trust.

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This was more in effort that she was taken out of context

short pendant
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The thing is it wouldn't be surprising even if it was serious..that's how bad it is..

indigo gorge
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Im guilty of assuming the worst too, but I also am aware that I can be very wrong to jump to conclusions and its wrong that the internet is just taking her out of context to slander her.

short pendant
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I'm all in for slandering but I just don't want to take something outta context for the sake of slander..

desert jackal
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I learn about her from y'all

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I'm not keeping up with her recent drama ngl it's just "Meh whatever" or "What the fuck did she do now?" and it switches in between

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night hedge
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The clown behavior right here is off the charts

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Even ignoring how much of Val's character is focused on sexual violence, the dumbass even puts fucking DIDDY in their variants and still has the never to act surprised when people get the ick from that

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Hellaverse stans will never beat the allegations

indigo gorge
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What on earth is the person saying in the first part? I actually cant quite understand that

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night hedge
indigo gorge
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THeir name is purple tallest

night hedge
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Btw

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Most of the """jokes""" val is written to have is sex-realted

indigo gorge
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Or tallest purple, either way works

night hedge
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And usually if not always is non-consensual to some extent

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Do I need to pull out the angel dust abuse comp clip?

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indigo gorge
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Not here

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Probably because purple is an idiot

night hedge
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I could be wrong

indigo gorge
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I know my IZ lore, and purple is massively stupid half thet ime

night hedge
indigo gorge
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What are they trying to say with "All some ot yall think about val is rape rape rape"

night hedge
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They're trying to argue there's more to Val's character than just rape

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Except that's pretty much in opposite to how the story's been treating val

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night hedge
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Wispi, my GOAT, said it best

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We stan level-headed Hellaverse fans that can still call out poor writing choices without devolving into bigotry in this household 🫡

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indigo gorge
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Thats why I stand by what I said about Viv uwu'ing him as "hes a moron" when he still is shown to be intelligent in manipulation and sex work.

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night hedge
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Like bitch I don't give a fuck about you

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I hope you get your head ripped off your god damn shoulders

short pendant
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I cannot stress this enough
I HATE this guy
Give him the SADDEST backstory in fiction I don't give a FUCKKK

indigo gorge
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As far as I can say, I have been told by people who know abusers better than I do admittd abusers can be pathetic and needy behind closed doors.

You dont have to feel bad for them, but there is some truth to it.

night hedge
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But the problem is that the show wants us to empathize with val when I don't give a fuck about him or his stank ass relationships

indigo gorge
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Absolutely, that is a problem, I agree with you there.

night hedge
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It would be different if the framing was just to contextualize his place in the narrative

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But he's RAPIDLY waning what little use he has left

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I'm gonna be pissed if he isn't either dead or at least lost angel's contract S3

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The show doesn't know what ground it's standing on.
Literally the roots of "Valentino is an abuser and angel should back away from him" are now replaced with "oh Boohoo Valentino my sweetheart!!"
I'm done..

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The end of the season that JUST came out shows you he hasn't changed a BIT.

indigo gorge
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Its poorly balanced in comedy and serious aspects, as we all know

night hedge
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Why isn't the 🫩 emoji in the discord reaction library

indigo gorge
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I dont know and it cant read it

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night hedge
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I wonder who comes up with the emojis

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night hedge
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True

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I wonder how they'll handle val in season 3..

night hedge
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Horribly

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Hes gonna be the focus too if the news posts are anything to go by 🫩

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1 million more angel dust abuse scenes to Amazon Prime

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💀

night hedge
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I'm not saying that

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Nobody is

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Except Twitter people

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And idk if I want to count them

night hedge
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💀

mystic raptor
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I think it’s funny how we’re basically just grabbing whatever 2010s YouTube pop song we can find as a new way to slander Hazbin

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Like yeah, let me believe for a moment these songs are in any way similar. https://youtu.be/f3Gv5_0oJqM?si=pYH_86FdcrtfVXb3 https://youtu.be/V2JkSLYqiXg?si=BNkfPG9eBXp1Xd71

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indigo gorge
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People really are just bored huh

west glacier
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Huh?

indigo gorge
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People dedicate their time to stupid things like trashing on stuff they think is bad cause it funny to repeat the same joke of "haha hazbin hotel is filled with swears and badly written"

errant venture
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I mean it is but the songs are generally pretty good other than piss

indigo gorge
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I find Gravity more overhyped tbh

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But I wouldnt say 'Piss' is better either

mystic raptor
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Loser Baby was another one I thought was overrated

indigo gorge
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I agree

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I think its fine but not a favorite

errant venture
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piss is just the only song i actively don't want to hear

ivory rune
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Believe me im as sick of the jokes and comments as everyone else cause it gets annoying

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But at the same time like….not every character needs to swear

I think at least Alastor, Charlie, Emily, Abel and Sera shouldn’t swear

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Well

Charlie can swear but not as often as everyone else

flint perch
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Same here.

indigo gorge
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I dont like all of the writing either. Trust.

I just think people should do something more online than say the same complaints on repeat.

mystic raptor
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I mean, they are since I posted that music thing the other day. I think people realize complaining about the constant swearing has been kind of done at this point but now they have to basically lie about the show just to hit that quota.

indigo gorge
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Then they need to find a hobby that isnt making something a punching bag for the sake of something to talk about.

ivory rune
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It’s frustrating watching Hazbin from a personal level

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Cause there’s a lot of things about it that I enjoy

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But like…the writing

indigo gorge
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Im probably not special for this one but at least personally, I feel like it partially being bad is kind of the brand/flavor its supposed to have considering what it even came from.

ivory rune
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I don’t think it wants to be bad tho

indigo gorge
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Its trying not to be, but the writing is severely limited in ways

ivory rune
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We better not find out everyone is in hell for murder

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Or murder adjacent things

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Cause that’s like…4 people now so far

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Pentious, Vox, Alastor and Angel

indigo gorge
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I keep thinking about the Blooms video and how he felt excited for charlie to be against the idea of cain and abel and if murder out of pride and resentment can be redeemed and then cain doesnt show up in the slightest and murder is just the common demoninator of sin

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west glacier
indigo gorge
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I do not find that interesting as much as it is part of the story

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errant venture
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Piss being above poison is crazy

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ivory rune
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Is Fire Toad not a slur in this universe?

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This isnt the first time Asmodeus referred to Fizz as a frog either

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I know this screenshot is from an April fools short but still

indigo gorge
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I think its a consensual thing between them as he uses "fizzyfrog" as a cutesy name. But also it could just be bad and Viv wants the idea of imps having racial issues in hell without realizing a joke looks really bad

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I dont know how a slur could be used as a cutesy name

indigo gorge
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I dont either but Im leaning towards she really wants this joke but also has no concept of writing racial issues within even fictional racism

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This wouldnt be an issue if the slur for Imps was something else

indigo gorge
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[Marks a tally on 'Viv never grew up out of the emo phase and its now impacted her maturity understanding of writing deeper things beyond yaoi']

ivory rune
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Either there's a different slut for Imps or Asmodeus has a different nickname for Fizz

flint perch
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Do people not understand what Hell is?

indigo gorge
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This isnt about Hell, this is about Viv wanting to make imps as a race have racial problems and slurs thrown at them for being lower class than others.

You then cant use a smilar word to the slur to make it a cutesy nickname for your character that is the race that is implied to have heavy racial inequality.

ivory rune
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Cause they arent dammed to live there, they just live there

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And there's a bunch of hellborn who are very much not shitty people

mystic raptor
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Plus it's still different since Fizz and Ozzie as far as we know have a very healthy relationship so this frog thing seems out of character

ivory rune
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Its also a very powerful individual using that term against his lower class partner

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Even if their relationship is solid and equal, there's still a power and status differential

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indigo gorge
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Elaborate please

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What do you mean by this

ivory rune
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I think they meant parodies

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In that if a song is popular enough, it gets a lot of parodies made of it

indigo gorge
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I know they meant parodies

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But what song?

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What hazbin song has that many parodies?

ivory rune
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I think they meant Poison but I haven’t seen that many parodies of poison

indigo gorge
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I havent either

ivory rune
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I’ve seen more for Loser Baby

indigo gorge
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The amount of parodies isnt really going to convince me its good though

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It just tells me people like it

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And I dont have to like the same thing they do

errant venture
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i cant freaking spell

indigo gorge
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I just wanna know what hazbin song has a ton of parodies that "contributes to its greatness"

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This isn't Hazbin Hotel, but has anyone seen the new Helluva Boss short?

indigo gorge
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#1415472043238887494

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Thanks dude

ivory rune
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Ngl I totally believe this

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The dude who put Steven here originally has never seen Steven Universe

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zenith fulcrum
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Can someone tell why the fuck did I open TikTok and this was the first thing I see

indigo gorge
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Who tf is being paid to animate Hazbin Hotel Alastor in a duolingo ad??? Did they even get vivs permission??

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First TOH now this

zenith fulcrum
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Did they pay 50,000 dollars for this

indigo gorge
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Oh its a fan animation

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Credit is at the bottom

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o

zenith fulcrum
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zenith fulcrum
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It’s fanart

short pendant
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Ah
Would've been funny tho

indigo gorge
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They arent wrong though. The company did downsize people and use AI which a ton got mad at them for.

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# zenith fulcrum Umm

I just saw who said that. Alastor's VA himself. So its either a fan thing or commissioned by them still and they didnt ask for rights.

mystic raptor
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I mean, it is using their characters presumably without permission and presumably getting money out of it so it’s not unwarranted

indigo gorge
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Since Viv is a smaller studio compared to Disney, maybe they thought it was more okay?

Though that'd be a bad assumption given Amazons involvement and just...basic copyright respect.

errant venture
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is Charlie a Disney Princess

ivory rune
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No

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She probably would be if it was udner Disney

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She'd be the worst one tho

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desert jackal
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Is Charlie an Amazon Princess or YouTube Princess?

ivory rune
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Well

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She feels like the product of a major corporation

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…..that didn’t answer anything

desert jackal
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They know ball

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Masquerade is the goat

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And both finales were great

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Curtain Call is dragged down by Charlie's hoe ass

indigo gorge
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Honestly I enjoy S1's finale ending better

desert jackal
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We finally got a major Razzle and Dazzle scene

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night hedge
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Me when im in a never fucking miss competition and my opponent is a hazbin character redesign

ivory rune
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It’s missing the shark pin on the lapel

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But otherwise solid

night hedge
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💀💀💀💀💀

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Wispii never misses bro

mystic raptor
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“Not a mention of the baby” Do people expect every plot detail to be shown in a trailer? I’d be surprised if Millie’s pregnancy arc lasts more than two episodes.

ivory rune
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Lowkey hope she gets an abortion

desert jackal
errant venture
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Do demons have a pro life group?

errant venture
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also i like the idea of her having a kid and Stolus and Blitz trying to help Moxie be a dad

west glacier
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Bruh w-

frigid cosmos
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Ending at Season 5, alrighty

indigo gorge
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Oohh

wheat flicker
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They really got 5 seasons? Nice

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Part of me thinks season 3 will be the HB finale, and that might be part of the epilogue

ivory rune
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Because I don’t want Millie to be defined as mother

wheat flicker
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Fair enough

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I like how she got her own spotlight in the later half of season 2

west glacier
ivory rune
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Listen if Invincibke can do it, they can do it

mystic raptor
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I think that’s part of why I mention the two episodes thing because funnily enough, like Millie, Eve has kind of become a nothing character from what I hear.

flint perch
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Well...

indigo gorge
mystic raptor
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And how does Eve compare?

indigo gorge
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They hadn't touched on Eve and I dont know much on her either so I genuinely cant argue that

mystic raptor
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I probably should watch Invincible but I haven’t really had the drive to sit down and do so.

indigo gorge
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We dont know ANYTHING about Eve actually

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OH You mean Invincible Eve.
Yeah, this person doesn't talk about that show from what Ive seen. I have seen some of Invincible though and Im no good at arguing it because honestly I have the same issue with it as ATLA

mystic raptor
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I’m only really mentioning it because I’ve seen other people talking about it.

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It could be another victim of having eight episodes per season but then I also see people arguing how the show somehow had time for “filler” episodes with Mark going to hell or something.

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And also it’s a comic adaptation so there’s that.

indigo gorge
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What I can do is repeat what I heard from what they said about defending Millie.

It's shown when they go to the Harvest Festival that she is visibly shown to have mother issues the way her own mom kind of nags her about things. And she only really has a positive relationship with her sister Sallie May. She for the longest time had just been considered a wrath him thats "Stupid dumb muscle" and thats all she'd ever be good for.

Her now in the situation of having a child, it means plots could involve her fearing that she'd be an awful mother, that she isnt fit to be kind or gentle as a mother typically is expected to be. And what does that mean for the business? her job? She'd have to take time off and hospital bills are gonna be expensive anyways. They already live in a really nasty run down place, thats not really fit to raise a child anyways.

Basically shes been told shes NOTHING and this is her chance to be more than that and shes scared to fuck it up. And it changes alot of things in terms of what they need to be doing to accommodate given shitty situations.

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Probably.

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But weirdly, I never see people saying this show is rushed the same way Hazbin is. I mean again, comic adaptation but surely there should be enough in the comics to fill at least 10.

indigo gorge
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I think its the pacing and Invincible has alot more actual character conversation than Hazbin does so the characters have reason for their actions and words rather than it being a very adhd mess of plot running together

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Ive seen both shows and Invincible is something that takes alot of focus for me to really even comprehend one thing going on, let alone an entire episode where mulitple conversations and exchanges take place thats important to what happens next and is context for the entire story

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I mean

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She's not real

clear notch
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Saying getting an abortion is mean if the woman wants to have the baby

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But we don't know if she wants the baby or not

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Because shes split between the baby and her job

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Cus its too dangerous for the baby

ivory rune
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It'd be mean if we were talking about like....a real person

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And not an imp who is very clearly conflicted about wanting the baby

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I’m still sad that season five will be the final season of Hazbin Hotel but I love seeing how Hazbin is featured on those deadline lists of shows that are getting renewed/canceled list

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It’s weirdly nice to see it. Make it on a list like that now people can go back and check out how it had a start and end point that wasn’t abrupt

mystic raptor
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That headline feels weirdly funny to see given Season 5 probably isn’t gonna be until 2030 at the earliest.

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Unless we get both Season 3 and 4 by the end of next year but I kind of doubt it.

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You’re not wrong and I’m hoping like how Steven universe came before it. It’s one of those shows that we end up talking about for a long time.

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"Upcoming season 5" when it won't drop this decade

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indigo gorge
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Theres sometimes one or two at my walmart sometimes. Unfortunately. Blu ray

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# exotic dew

I'm not THAT much of a fan but Id spend my whole allowance on this

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Credits to Karnivowl on instagram

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indigo gorge
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Its subtle but he does little things that are very adam-esque

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indigo gorge
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I cant find the original but its based off a meme of two people. One laughs, looks to see the other is angry and then assumes the same expression

short pendant
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You're in luck broski

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There’s multiple versions of this from what I’ve noticed too

short pendant
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I love this so much ngl

west glacier
indigo gorge
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Thank you!!

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errant venture
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Rebecca's show is sweeter

indigo gorge
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Its two sides of the same coin to me

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Both came from the same hellsite on different ends. Sugar is more the magical girl angsty fanfiction with madoka style heart string pulls and Viv is the "THIS IS MY OC HES EVIL AND COOL AND KILLED 10 GODS"

wheat flicker
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I only enjoy Vivzie's stuff because I have 0 hopes or expectations for them

mystic raptor
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Now that’s probably the mentality to have

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See I’m the guy on the left since I constantly complain about Hazbin’s writing flubs.

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indigo gorge
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I have floor level expectations for this tumblr fanfiction oc demon show. Literally all I expect is 2013 fanfiction writing.

short pendant
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the bar is in HELLLLL for both shows

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Knowing vivzie never actually wrapped up ANY of her stories she just writes and writes as she goes and hope it makes sense. It's shallow and rushed and fast paced but honestly everything I'm saying was already said so yeah

indigo gorge
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Whats funny is I get it. Its like a second language to me. I see the intenton/vision. But at the same time its like Peggy Hill trying to speak spanish, she uses words wrong all the time and sounds confusingly dumb/wrong.

short pendant
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"Diverse characters and nationalities"
and they're all fucking Spanish/italian 😭

indigo gorge
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Ive seen interview pieces and tweets and she uses alot of fandom lingo/buzz words just wrong for her own characters half the time. Or tries to portray them in boxes they dont fit

indigo gorge
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Also Alastor is creole/french

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indigo gorge
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In theory, Adam and Abel should have been african/egyptian because people have traced back the Garden of Eden to somewhere on that continent.

short pendant
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No they're white twinks ig.

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Cause GOD forbid Abel isn't a white blondie..

indigo gorge
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Adam is kind of darker with brown hair

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Abel is white boy. Also hes not a twink

short pendant
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Tell that to Pinterest

indigo gorge
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Oh I cant hear them over how soft I make him

short pendant
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I still don't understand how people go to heaven

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Like is it religion or good deeds?

indigo gorge
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Goooood question

wheat flicker
indigo gorge
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Pentious made it because he cleansed his major sin of sloth. But we dont know the line of whats evil enough of a sin to get you thrown in hell

indigo gorge
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indigo gorge
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We literally have no answer. As for the religion itself, yes. But that has alot of sectors too with wildly different beliefs at times too so some believe in some rules others dont. Generally its a requirement to accept the Lord.

Unless this operates on heaven/hell existing regardless of your religious choices

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I swear to you if VALENTINO makes it up there I will demand this show be cancelled..

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I will call heaven bullshit

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Idk why people are trying to say that will happen

short pendant
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I don't care WHAT kind of backstory you give him.
I don't care WHAT redemption arc he goes through
HE'S. NOT. GOING. UP. THERE.
FINAL.

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short pendant
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And its doesn't help that viv treats her own OCS like BABIES instead of grown adults.. "Val the cutie patootie here's a scene of him being sassy and an icon :33"
Ma'am why are we sassy-ing literal ||rapists||

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When vox was playing all those horrible angel dust and val scenes they made that shit into a joke I was LIVID..

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Hellaverse Pride Merch Alert

indigo gorge
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Saint Peter just cut out of heavens squad

night hedge
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Husk getting the trans flag erroneously put on his hat before spindlehorse rereleased their post with a fix will never not be funny

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"please sir, a crumb of transmasc rep"

"You will take your singular transfem and you WILL LIKE IT 😠 "

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