#[Hype] Hazbin Hotel

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desert jackal
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<@&1382921880352067634> For those who didn't know: tl;dr

  • Hazbin S2 comes back Oct 29th
  • They're releasing a sing-along in movie theaters on Oct 1st
  • More news will come out Oct 10th at New York Comic Con
quaint vigil
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indie series -> movie theaters is wild

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need to see how the plays out

tall river
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indigo gorge
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Showed my friend bc his niece is into the show(not great i know) but she'll prob be asking abt it

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ivory rune
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I’ve been slowly falling out of love with Viv’s stuff

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But you know what, it’s not how you start, it’s how you finish

wheat flicker
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I am really excited for season 2

ivory rune
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If i could just randomly gush about a line that i think about every now and then

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“If Hell is forever than Heaven must be a lie” goes hard

indigo gorge
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I like vox's chorus in one of the song towards the end. Its catchy

short pendant
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The songs are bangers. I just fear I might lose interest in the show

alpine sparrow
desert jackal
desert jackal
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errant venture
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Maybe she can finally make the concept work? I saw fan comic before the show happend that were way more intresting

short pendant
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Fans can be more creative than her at a lot of points..

errant venture
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yep, freaking i kept hoping the show would get into the inner workings of heaven and the fact that most of the angles don't know about the exteminaion would mount to something but nothing

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Not sure why the Vees would suddenly get more powerful given that other than everyone knowing angels can be killed nothing has changed in Hell

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not that i thought it would be some sort of political drama but still

wheat flicker
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I think the angle is that the vees will capitalise

errant venture
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But mothing change in Hell of them to get more powerful, other than Alaster being brought low but he came back right after. If he has disapaered into the shadows for i wile i could see it

exotic dew
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Well, we may not have the titles yet, but at least we know when each episode is coming

worn panther
wheat flicker
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This is going to be so good

indigo gorge
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Today I learned someone who performed in the Cat Kid theater show is going to be Baxer in the funny haha swearing hotel show. What do I even do with this information???

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He's mostly written things for kid shows and Disney and I guess his minor broadway roots got him the HH job but

That is such a weird contrast to me. He's written the script and music for the Cat Kid show.

ivory rune
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Not gonna lie

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This goes hard

indigo gorge
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Is this them singing the wicked song?

ivory rune
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No

indigo gorge
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Oh its the new song

short pendant
exotic dew
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wheat flicker
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This new song is really good

exotic dew
exotic dew
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Best couple ever

short pendant
# exotic dew

Her delivery in the first few seconds sounds like Molly McGee's "sweet baby corn"

errant venture
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I do like how she writes most of the characters, i will give her that

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indigo gorge
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Maybe Im just used to it at this point, the swearing has toned down, or I got used to it

errant venture
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I feel the writing is suspect though understanding how Heaven works might improve it

ivory rune
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Shit man...if the money is in the Hazbin videos, I may need to get on the train

ivory rune
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Wait a minute

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Fuck, Hazbin hotel is gonna finish this month

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Cause there’s only 8 episodes and they air 2 at a time

strong siren
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Daddy issues. Again.

errant venture
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So wait can anyone just kill Sinners in Hell?

ivory rune
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Anyone with angelic steel

strong siren
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How do you die if you’re already dead

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Do you not like regenerate or something

ivory rune
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It’s Permadeath

errant venture
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But Husk was worried about Angel getting run over by a train

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i can't imagine it was made with Angelic Steel wheels

indigo gorge
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Niffty or charlie tied what looks like vaggies spear to the front

ivory rune
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Pretty sure Charlie said the front had angelic steel on it

errant venture
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Ok

short pendant
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Can we all agree hell did sir Pentious DIRTY.
My guy was hot

ivory rune
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I mean

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It’s hell lol

short pendant
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My guy was the PUNCHING BAG of season 1

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His fans in season 2 might actually be much more hungry than Alastor fans. Which is a sight I never thought I'd see

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Honestly I might like the human designs more than the original ones

near meteor
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Also if people don’t get more literate I’m doing to start pulling out my hair it’s like both the audience and the characters don’t remember most the first season

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The quality of the character relationships, common sense, and values is definitely getting sacrificed at the alter of quick plot progression. That’s disappointing.

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Also || The people caterwauling about Lucifer not being to harm sinners is starting to piss me off. I guess they just haven’t watched Helluva Boss??? Or something? No, not this many. Like “what do you mean the king of hell can’t hurt sinners? Why is he king-“ BECAUSE HELL DOESNT EXIST JUST FOR HUMAN SOULS. He’s king because when he fell he then became head of the pecking order of the Demons already there, and presumably created the Goetia, since every Sin has hell born they crafted. Like hell in the setting more than just a vessel for sinners, he doesn’t need to be able to hurt sinners to be king of hell. Like some of these people might just be ignorant of the wider lore but some of these people are just not literate I guess ||

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flint perch
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^

wheat flicker
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Anyways, episode 5 was CRAZY, and that one song in episode 6 was crazIER

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I am glad ||Charlie's laser focus on Vox got called out and was a legit part of the story, since she didn't "develop" much in season 1 and lucked out a bit due to circumstance||

strong siren
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I think ||Vox was right.||

near meteor
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The fact that Charlie kind of acts like she was born last week is starting to grate a little bit, but I’m rooting for the darling 😅

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Also || I don’t really like how the show is handling the whole Alastor being kidnapped thing, it just doesn’t seem right. Like Al is being a halarious menace but Husk and Nifty not really giving details, Charlie getting mad initially, and then just getting dismissing the thing just- feels like the sort of thing that should cause more interpersonal issues than I’m almost positive it ever will. The way my ass would never trust Charlie again- anyway. The amount of Alastor slander I’ve been seeing is nuts- it’s like some people just didn’t watch the first season at all… ||

zenith fulcrum
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So I’m watching episode 6

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|| HOW IS CHARLIE FROM SMILING FRIENDS IN THE FUCKING EPISODE WHAT ||

indigo gorge
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|| Industry connections ||

zenith fulcrum
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|| I DIDNT KNOW THE SMILING FRIENDS COMPANY WORKED AT THE HAZBIN HOTEL ||

flint perch
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Lemme get this straight: Charlie from Smiling Friends made, what, a cameo?

indigo gorge
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|| Yes ||

flint perch
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Lemme see. I keep seeing the same damn crap about idiots whining about Hazbin Hotel.

indigo gorge
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Maybe expand your circles or in some way cut out those you find annoying about it

flint perch
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If only YouTube's filter was that easy...

indigo gorge
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Ive found my way to enjoy this show and it sort of required just ignoring half the internet yapping and only talking to specific people

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Just dont watch YT vids abt it

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Find discussion in groups where people arent bitching

ivory rune
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I’ve gotta reset my mind on all the haters and whatnot in order to watch the rest of the series

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And I have to really ask myself whether or not I wanna do a video on it too

short pendant
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I don't like HH that much but seeing my favorite youtube having the TIME OF HIS LIFE on the show makes me genuinely so happy even if I don't agree with him and think some of his points are incredibly wrong.
so I'm satisfied with the season in this

indigo gorge
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Ive noticed that some have come around to it more but that might be more for lore reasons rather than coming off and being a very loud show bringing up things they find icky

short pendant
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Bumlastor is taking SO many Ls this season..

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Did viv just LOVE him in the first season to make him so powerful and feared.
And then decided he should take the L 🥲

near meteor
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He’s literally severely wounded???

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Of course he’s less powerful. His staff is broken and he has a gapping chest wound lol

indigo gorge
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First of all, she came from tumblr so naturally her favorite kind of characters are twink edgy men. Secondly, Ive been watching the show and || I think theres something more to all this that is going to slowly unfold because he wouldnt just give up like this. Hes got some kind of plan that only he knows. Most recent episodes show some seeds hes planting but I dont entirely know what his end goal is. ||

short pendant
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||If this becomes a plot twist that all of this was his plan this show is fricking chalked off as 4/15. Unless they pull it off somehow||

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indigo gorge
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He took on an entire angel, of course he's going to take damage to that. He isnt immune to everything

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All sinners have been established to be basically not immune to angelic weaponry

short pendant
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He's not a regular sinner
He's the sinner that's supposed to be..(speaking by fan terms) HIM.

indigo gorge
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Doesnt mean he's immune to angelic forces though

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He's the strongest sinner, still a sinner though.

near meteor
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|| honestly, I think he’s improving right now. I think he went down to fight Vox for the express purpose of getting ‘killed’ and voiding Rosie’s contract but things got messy when Nifty and Husk showed up. But maybe he just planned on doing a ‘Don’t touch Charlie and I’ll be your prisoner’ deal orginally. Guess we’ll see. ||

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near meteor
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||Vox is actually becoming peak ngl..||

indigo gorge
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|| He is a mastermind though? He literally is known to manipulate and talk his way out of problems with some kind of charm. He's genuinely intelligent to have figured out how to contact Rosie, and talk his way into other things that benefit him.

His one "L" mistake was thinking he could taken on an archangel cause he got too cocky and is paying the price for punching up too high. ||

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indigo gorge
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Have you seen the show much or recent episodes?

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indigo gorge
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Currently now 6 for season 2

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near meteor
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You Out here fighting blindfolded to slander this deer man lmao

indigo gorge
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|| I feel you are falling into what Vox wants the sinners to believe. ||

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indigo gorge
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Im looking up animal symbolism for a different thing but this literally does fit Alastor

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short pendant
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||Catch me be the one SHOOTING him in that forest||

near meteor
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Also, just, of course Alastor doesn’t think he could fail, he’s fucking narcissist lol

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indigo gorge
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What is a story without some risk?

short pendant
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I'm NOT criticizing the story do not get me wrong
I just hate the character
Doesn't mean the story is bad...quite the opposite

near meteor
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Eh, the story is pretty severely flawed. Fun as hell to watch, though.

indigo gorge
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At this point you kinda have to accept just not questioning some things

short pendant
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Why are people so hyped about piss 😭

indigo gorge
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Ive found my own way to enjoy it and I expressed my interest as much with close friends

near meteor
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But I like questioning things and getting pissed, it’s like my in top 5 favorite things to do.

short pendant
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I'm actually kinda interested to see what's gonna happen at the finale so that's something..

indigo gorge
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But it is spoiler territory to an extent so I will wait to make various jokes

near meteor
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Like the songs slap for the most part and it’s funny, I don’t want or expect much else from it. Thing not required for me to enjoy a show: that it be good lol

indigo gorge
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Ive come around to it. My one regret is Im starting to like Niffty more and that comes with the risk of my friend calling me short again

near meteor
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Also it’s been hours and || “I’m from fucking Florida!” “OW!” || is still taking me out, that came out of nowhere

indigo gorge
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|| That explains alot about him honestly ||

near meteor
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|| 1970’s Hispanic Pimp from (presumably) the south of Florida explains just about everything about him lol ||

indigo gorge
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|| At least he was in the era for men to have genderfluid and more open cool fashion choices that didnt follow society's strict perfect image. ||

errant venture
indigo gorge
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You are right. But the 70s also had a fashion movement for men and women that came from the previous 60s. A fashion movement that blurred the lines of male/female labeling, was loud with colors and patterns, and was the short time men wore bold colors without being scrutinized for it by other men.

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Sadly it came to an end with Regan in power.

ivory rune
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I don’t get why people hate the fact that Lucifer ||isnt allowed to harm sinners||

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||He clearly hates being around them, and now he doesn’t even get the satisfaction of torturing them||

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Also someone remind me

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Was Sir Pentious spying on the hotel a collective idea from the Vees, or just an idea from Vox?

indigo gorge
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|| I feel like viv doesnt understand some religious stuff at times, or just makes up rules so there's some sort of character risk or it stops the question of "why dont they just do this?" Unless Lillith set in that rule and he still follows it bc he cant stop thinking about his wife, or hes too sentimental to kill ||

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near meteor
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|| idc that Lucifer can’t hurt sinners because there are other demons in hell that could, in theory. Like the Goetia are said to have legions in the cannon of Helluva boss. To fight who? Each other? But why not sinners? I’d assume that would be one of the things that he’d have made them for since he can’t himself. Plus other hellborn can freely go there and attack sinners if they think they are a problem. But they don’t because until recently those two shows had to stay separate and also I guess that they don’t want to over complicate things- which is a real risk and why they probably should have gone with a simpler story told over a longer period. The setting of hell really suffers from so much spotlight being put on heaven so early. ||

ivory rune
indigo gorge
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|| I know I heard that, but I feel Vivs rules sometimes exist just to cause tension or stop the immediate solution to a problem ||

near meteor
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I think I’m going to go crazy waiting for the finale two episodes. I wanna know what happens!!! Five days is way too long

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near meteor
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I didn’t watch the pilot until a little before the show came out so: no.

Also have you never heard of hyperbole??? I’m just excited. Rude.

wheat flicker
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Further the narrative

indigo gorge
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People cant read subtle story much can they?

Not that Viv writes great subtle story but...its pretty simple to see what the play is here

ivory rune
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I wonder if the season really does end with Vox being the most powerful sinner, which means Alastor gets free from Rosie’s contract

indigo gorge
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But then thats a whole other problem for Hell and Heaven as a whole

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Alastor while not perfect, was at least civil and polite

short pendant
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I might be a hater but I stand by my decision
There's gotta be some MAJOR good writing for him for me to change my mind about that deer 🥲
-# or not honestly, my opinion doesn't really matter that much but eh..

indigo gorge
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I'll give you one piece of advice. For as fast and insane as this show gets, its a slow burn story where we wont immediately get the answers to our questions. You have to see it through to understand it all.

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Alastor is a quiet and slow planner, hes got his plan set straight and its going to take some time to unfold

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Which is why hes a perfect foil to Vox, whos fast, doesnt think about consequences and is messing up the more he rushes things

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short pendant
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I don't want to give up on this show
I LOVED the pilot. Everything was so good. And with every Episode for some reason I felt myself losing that feeling of excitement over it. Call it "nostalgia" call it "bias" I just feel like this and I cannot explain it..
I feel like as much as this would most definitely be a plot of "Alastor is a master manipulator" I just find him unlikable at this point that I can't seem to care. Sure that's Exactly what they were aiming for (to have him be confident and cocky) but doesn't mean I can't hate him

wheat flicker
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Alastor might not be a big element of the next episodes

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night hedge
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Evening ladies and gentlemen

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Looking forward to the nightmare that will be Wednesday early morning

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Right column is kinda free and the left middle column is probably not gonna happen fully but I think this is a well rounded bingo

ivory rune
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Ok here we go

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I mean this with no shade

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But I saw the Hazbin on Broadway

Why are so many of the uber fans in costumes…..fat lol

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And I’m not one to talk, I’m not skinny, I have a gut too, I’m totally out of shape

But like…some of dem out dere looked like they were on the opposite end of the Vivziepop character design chart

night hedge
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Availability bias maybe?

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Plus if my hum drum 2 years of statistics class has taught me anything is that a sample of of <30 is pretty poor in most circumstances

ivory rune
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How does that correlate to them bein fat?

night hedge
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No Im saying that a bad sample size means you can't exactly draw conclusions from a whole

ivory rune
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Oh true

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Yeah fair

wheat flicker
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I noticed some interesting patterns (or deja vus)

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Episode 3 is the worst and episode 6 is the best in both seasons (so far)

indigo gorge
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Sometimes I forget Vaggie is voiced by Mirabel

short pendant
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I cannot unhear it

indigo gorge
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Diveristy win? Mirabel sings about || love making you stronger ||

woven robin
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The only other thing I know her from

indigo gorge
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I think she also voiced Darkwing's daughter?? or adopted daughter

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With the amount of songs per episode im honestly feeling this is just Viv making her OCs sing to various things

ivory rune
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Im trying to figure out why Stephanie sucks so horribly as a VA for Vaggie when she's NOT a bad VA

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It cant be bad direction

indigo gorge
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He delivery is dry somehow maybe??

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I dunno, shes kinda just there to me

ivory rune
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Cause like...Erika and all the other female VAs give perfectly fine performances

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So like...is Stephanie just bored?

indigo gorge
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That can be heard in a VA sometimes when they dont care

quaint vigil
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OH yo its Rosa

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from brooklyn 99

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peak

indigo gorge
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If I had two nickels for everytime Christian Borle played a character that used his partners I'd have two

night hedge
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But because Stephanie doesn't sing at that level when she does it's immediately noticeable how different (mirabel) her voice is

ivory rune
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Been binging the season so I could watch the finale blind

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Like….its amazing how much the same problems wit pacing are here

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And I’m holding out hope that Charlie being as stupid as she is being is very much intentional

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Cause Vaggie DID call her on her bullshit

errant venture
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Ending felt anti climatic from what i saw

mystic raptor
# night hedge But because Stephanie doesn't sing at that level when she does it's immediately ...

I’m actually not even sure if it’s the show or if that’s just how Stephanie is used to singing. I could probably relate too. My speaking and singing voices could definitely vary depending on the song. https://youtu.be/q7WNFf9zbio?si=9zHu-ACMcZe-NpdN

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ivory rune
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Well

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That was alright

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Im not a fan of the fact that things and characters got set up, and almost nothing was done with them until the very end

ivory rune
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Also, the whole “smol depressed goofy little bean” Lucifer was REALLY Getting on my nerves in the finale

near meteor
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I kind of want to throttle Charlie she’s so dumb. It also feels like she’s being consistently shielded from consequences of her actions that her dumbassery and flippant behavior towards some characters. Like || Vox was stopped, and Angel leaving wasn’t because of her it was because of Vox. So her fucking up all season had no lasting negative consequences for her. Hotel better than ever. Alastor, back. Mom, returned her call. ||

near meteor
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Idk I still really like Lucifer but I’m a bit of a sucker for a doofus and he’s not that main character so it’s less annoying when he’s stupid

wheat flicker
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I just watched the season finale

wheat flicker
# near meteor I kind of want to throttle Charlie she’s so dumb. It also feels like she’s being...

I feel like ||lasting impacts aren't really beneficial as Charlie has already had her arc and learned, as shown by her actually having a plan and trusting Vaggie in the finale. I'm assuming that a narrative of "Lucifer should have died, that would have really taught Charlie" will begin within the next few days online, but not every character arc has to have insane stakes, especially when it got resolved in episode 6 of 8.||

near meteor
# wheat flicker I feel like ||lasting impacts aren't really beneficial as Charlie has already ha...

|| I don’t really think Charlie learned anything, since she did what you just said at the end of the last season, and if she has, there’s so many other things she needs to learn. I don’t believe anything that happened is going to make her understand sinners better or respect boundaries more. It’s just a gut feeling, I can’t explain it. I’m not saying Insane stakes or consequences, just ones that are directly because of her mistakes that affect her personally. I don’t think Lucifer should have died, that’s insane. ||

wheat flicker
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||This part is unrelated, but I noticed that Husk started cat-pouting when Angel Dust left||

mystic raptor
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||I’m still not even sure she knows how sinners even can be redeemed so that feels like a whole bunch of throw stuff at the wall and see what sticks.||

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night hedge
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I can't in good faith say that the finale lived nor the season was all that

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Imo

indigo gorge
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|| So are we all going to ignore their final solution was equivalent to a care bear stare or did people forget care bears existed ||

mystic raptor
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||I’m more conflicted on the sudden reveal of Nifty being an overlord.||

indigo gorge
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|| And I just said a few days ago that Niffty had no visible powers or intention of using powers to really control or do anything bad. ||

near meteor
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You know, it’s been a really long time since I’ve had so much salt about a show that I want to write fanfic about it, but I think getting there really quick with Hazbin

ivory rune
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Bruh the way people keep misreading the ending lol

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||”Oh, it’s the power of friendship with rapists and slavers”
No bitch, they didn’t wanna die lol||

mystic raptor
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||Most people be singling out Valentino specifically. Like I get Twitter wants to push the rape is the worst crime of all agenda but you gotta draw a line somewhere.||

indigo gorge
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|| I dont like Valentino, but at this point he had been thrown under the bus so badly by Vox I dont blame him for being upset and realizing how shitty Vox is and then to hear said person would be gladly blowing up hell to "win" against someone specific. He didnt ask to be dragged into that or have his life risked for Vox's stupid rivalry. ||

ivory rune
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||Not even all that, it’s basic survival instinct||

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||The cannibals, rapists and slavers didn’t wanna die ||

mystic raptor
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||Plus he’s still very much the villain at the end of the day. Like come on, I made this less than a week ago.||

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ivory rune
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That’s not even the fans, that’s the haters

near meteor
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Idk hot take but || I don't really mind the handling of Valentino? Like people are all mad about them portraying him as like a whole person??? And Like I don't know how to gently break it to them rapists are real people and not cartoon cut outs. If Rapists were cartoon villains all the time people wouldn't jump to defend them so easy. I don't know what they want, since I don't really think it does victims any good to not portray rapists as they are. People that can be likeable sometimes and have whole lives and friends. This is a bit more real to their experiences and how life works. ||

indigo gorge
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|| I personally think its tied to twitter and a huge mentality that characters with bad traits especially very serious things like being a rapist should just cartoonishly and constantly be beat on the head and paraded as evil for some show of morality. That and twitter in general seems kind of allergic to nuance in characters bc Bojack is literally also someone who assaulted women and yet he is held as a very sad and depressing character people dont immediately want to kill. ||

ivory rune
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||I also love people saying Abel became mysogynistic cause he called Lute a bitch||

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||Like.....A. he's emulating the behaviors of his father, both as a way to nut up and also cause Adam is the only one Lute would listen to. And B. ...Lute IS a bitch lol She was very much acting like one in the moment||

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||I will say though. Giving Lute this big ass number about how she's going to get revenge, only for NOTHING to come of it until the last episode is nuts||

indigo gorge
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|| I wanted to see her kill and crash out so bad cmon ||

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mystic raptor
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||I’m still mostly annoyed with the direction of this whole conflict because Valentino keeps screaming villain of the week that the protagonist could easily defeat in one episode but they keep dragging it out into oblivion. Even in the finale episode, like they KNOW how bad Val is, why does no one ever do anything against him?||

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||Not even like he can’t be a recurring villain, having him lose Angel at the start of the show and then the rest of it being Val trying to sabotage Angel or catch him off guard so he can get his soul again is still a decent means of conflict.||

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|| My guess is because he is an overlord himself, one with very high power given he was literally and business wise in bed with Vox. ||

wheat flicker
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The villains, even those who do the worst things, should be shown to be actual people instead of cartoon supervillains with 0 depth

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Same with victims of these crimes. I see a lot of people angry that the show portrayed Angel Dust as hypersexual and harassing Husk when many SA victims have the same issue, and imperfect victims are way more important to represent than the quiet Lifetime Movie stereotypes

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It's ironic with that a show with as many real flaws and problems as Hazbin Hotel, the main things criticized aren't those, instead being things caused by a lack of media literacy or patience/listening to the show

indigo gorge
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Fandoms have been more anti-sex or anti-adult in some sense where even one vague joke towards sex is gross and icky

near meteor
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Like I can get behind a one dimensional Villian if they are fun enough to watch but I’ll never understand getting mad at more layers being added to a character.

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mystic raptor
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Honestly kind of funny how often hype moments and aura could apply to this show.

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Vox would lose to the Thwomp is all I’ll say

errant venture
# mystic raptor

Like i say there were far more intresting fan comics before the show came out than the show

errant venture
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Why even Introduce Lilith last season to do nothing with her

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||We had the implecations that Rosie was why Alaster was at the hotel given how it sounded like he hated being their only for him to show back up at the end of the season of is own validation||

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Feels like every thread of something grander just gets thrown away

short pendant
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Vaggie has MAD potential..

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|| Alastor. I am forever your hater and I'll DIE on that hill. But nice way to break your contract..||

ivory rune
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Honestly yeah

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Steven is NOT as forgiving or up his own ass as people think

Meanwhile Charlie is so naive and blind she didn’t even bother to ask her first volunteer why he ended up in Hell

indigo gorge
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Didnt Steven literally stand up to the diamonds and tell them how wrong they were to the point of pissing off White Diamond?

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Charlie also is just really dumb in that aspect and expected Angel Dust(a very closed person at the start of the show) to spill his guts about everything cause she had one therapy session

ivory rune
indigo gorge
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I am constantly telling myself as some kind of rationalization Charlie really is just really bad at understanding people and out of touch with Hell itself because of her own upbringing and the fact her father refuses to even try to understand them

errant venture
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Then again i never saw the hour special cause it was labeled something else on cartoon network and wasn't recorded

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Charlie lives in literal Hell and is far to trusting and forgiving beyond reason

ivory rune
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He could barely stand to be around them in Future and the movie

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Also Adam might be killed off for good and isn’t a sinner

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Boo

errant venture
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thats fine Adam died hiw people are supposed to be able to die

mystic raptor
# errant venture Eh i don't know he felt rather forgiving but he also aware of how hard it can be...

Oh yeah, SUPER forgiving. https://youtu.be/9P8hRe8q6ww?feature=shared

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I would say this is an extreme reaction on his part but…

near meteor
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Well, seems like we have confirmation that Charlie is that dumb/oblivious because Viv is.

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I’m guessing this is a similar thought process on how she lands on Charlie not being dumb for her whole everything with Angel lol

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Did nobody on the writing staff really not say “hey, someone as kind, stubborn, and loyal as Charlie would probably do something in this situation, don’t you think?”

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Well, like

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mystic raptor
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https://vxtwitter.com/literallydarnel/status/1992320444805050728?s=20

#1 Sera Defender 🇵🇸 (@literallydarnel)

Vivziepop be developing everybody but her female cast bruh, no Vaggie arc, no Niffty characterization, no Cherri arc

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‘HAZBIN HOTEL’ creator Vivienne Medrano confirms Vox’s new ark in Season 3 will be dealing with not being at the top anymore.

“He has now been humbled as much as a villain can be humbled. Does he grow from that? What does he do from there? I’m very excited for everyone to see.”

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This wouldn’t be a huge deal but I don’t know, I feel like Vaggi trying a different name because I thought she was trying to distance herself from the exterminations should’ve had a bit more depth and payoff than just a few unfunny jokes.

indigo gorge
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People have been saying and she proves viv doesnt know how to or seem to want to write women

mystic raptor
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The “Hazbin is supposed to be a female led show” thing doesn’t help either especially since Season 3 is apparently going to be Alastor focused.

indigo gorge
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I just wish she'd at least be honest and say she wants to focus on twink men

near meteor
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I’ve been stuck on Vox living to see another day since it was confirmed he’s in season 3. It’s absolutely unbelievable that not just Alastor but all the other overlords and the public at large are letting him live after the laser.

indigo gorge
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THey should play cocomelon on his face

near meteor
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I’m unironically working on a “Fix-it” fic where Alastor kills him. It’s like I’m 16 again, which is probably fitting for the show’s caliber of writing no matter how much I enjoy watching the show lol

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indigo gorge
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"And then while putting on headphones, Alastor clicked on 'baby shark 16 hour version' and left Vox in a closet" /j

mystic raptor
indigo gorge
mystic raptor
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I also forgot to mention Sera's thing, which I think was well written overall

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We didn't get much from Cherri or Lute this season, though

mystic raptor
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I feel so bad for Lute though. She’s been getting built up since like the end of Season 1 only for her to possibly not get any kind of payoff until near the end of the show.

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I really thought she'd have some kind of confrontation with Abel or the others before the big fight

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She really showed up to beat Vaggie's ass for 30 seconds and then left

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The character with the best song btw 💔

indigo gorge
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Hot take
I do not think Gravity is the best song

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Which one is your favorite?

indigo gorge
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Ive been between Clean it up, and vox populi

mystic raptor
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Honestly, Love in a Bottle was the best song in the season but so far nothing has even gotten close to Hell’s Greatest Dad for me.

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indigo gorge
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Losin streak and love in a bottle are also great

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I should do a tier list, brb

mystic raptor
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I admit though, Brighter is starting to get stuck in my head.

indigo gorge
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Brighter is 50/50 for me

ivory rune
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I liked brighter

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mystic raptor
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Like top three so far me would be:

  1. Hell’s Greatest Dad
  2. Out for Love
  3. Love in a Bottle
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I think season 1's soundtrack is overall better due to them being more unique

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Half of season 2's songs are Vox singing and similar genre

mystic raptor
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I agree though maybe for different reasons.

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Season 2 has good ideas for songs but I feel like for some like Vox Populi or Hear my Hope, certain parts are just better/I would rather the whole song just be Lucifer’s solo or Abel’s part or Alastor or Rosie’s part

indigo gorge
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Patrick Stump is expensive

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But also I literally keep getting insta reels of people just saying "OMGG ABEL SANG AND ITS PATRICK STUMP!!!" and it makes me kinda sad bc he has some idea of character or at least the show refused to even address it since it was so packed with everything else already

mystic raptor
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He and Lute pretty much have the same problem. Probably be better if they just didn’t appear until the end of the season like Vox did in Season 1.

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clear notch
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Just rewatched hazbin hotel pilot after finishing rewatching seasons 1 and 2

indigo gorge
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I like the energy in vox populi its fun

clear notch
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And honestly...

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I don't get why people like the pilot better

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Pilots are made for the soul purpose to test the waters

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The story and stuff is fine but the animation didn't look like it would hold up as a streaming platform show

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Its fine for a yt video. Because it is very impressive for YouTube

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But i liked the new animation. Literally looks like classic disney lol

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Even the first episode Charlie gave me that disney princess vibe. Of hopefulness and joyful belief

near meteor
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And honestly, the shows biggest issue is digging into heaven so early and I will die on that hill. Like there shouldn’t have been a Big Big Fight with Heaven until a few seasons in, maybe the end of the second to last. The early seasons should have been about establishing the world, characters, and focusing on more hell centered conflicts. Since we are so in it with Heaven the setting feels underdeveloped and story bloated. Like Vox would have been a much better season 1 villian than a season 2 villian.

clear notch
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I don't think we should blame vivzie on this

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Amazon is problem

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Not giving us enough episodes

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Imo they should have let her have 12 eps like an anime

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Like helluva boss does

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I do agree it feels a bit fast but i still love it

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clear notch
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I'm just hoping we get a 5th season because viv said she would love to have one

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At least season 3 and 4 are probably coming together

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I still love the show regardless. Maybe its cus i need that classic disney feeling i missed before 2020 lol

clear notch
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I really hope lady gaga actually plays Lilith like viv wanted

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clear notch
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This is a indie animation team

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They only can afford so much

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Either way im happy for viv for achieving her dream and telling this story. Even if its kinda condensed

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# clear notch I don't think we should blame vivzie on this

Okay, but it’s not like the episode count snuck up on her. They knew pretty early in the number of episodes they were cleared for. Like yes, the episode count a season is stupid if we aren’t doing 40+ minute episodes like The Mighty Nein show (Loving it!), but if you know you have short seasons, you should write with that in mind. But also, common sense says that if you are doing a show set in Hell, a big confrontation with Heaven is the climax, you shouldn’t blow that wad season 1 lol

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near meteor
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It still is

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No I mean A24 only allowed 8 episodes

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Idk how true that is anymore

clear notch
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Yeah thats why i rather not judge

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We don't know the full story yet

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Honestly I'm just tired of people hating on this show. Its fine if its not your cup of tea but don't make video essays why it sucks and say why another show is better than this. That makes you kinda childish. Just say it isn't for you and move on.

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Thats what most people do anyway

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And saying that we "shouldn't take it seriously because the jokes are the main plot point"? Like that doesn't make sense

indigo gorge
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Rule of thumb, ignore the hate the best you can.

Also it kinda causes a circle of conversation of repeating ourselves

clear notch
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I'm just rambling because of a random person was comparing the show to another show that seemed very weird and more inappropriate than hazbin hotel

near meteor
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Luckily things being well written isn’t a prerequisite for me enjoying them lol the era I grew up in was too cringe for it to matter that much to me

clear notch
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I just personally love this show. The ending song made me cry 😢

mystic raptor
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I don’t hate this show, I doubt many of us here do, nor do I feel the need to criticize every aspect of the show but like, it’s still a pretty hard C tier of a show for me to honestly recommend to anyone.

clear notch
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It literally gave me that disney feeling i missed

near meteor
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It’s because it’s a proper musical, people don’t do those anymore

clear notch
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You can just tell how passionate the creators are

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How much effort they put into this

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Even if we don't get alot of episodes

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They try their very best

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💞💞

indigo gorge
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In the end (it doesnt even matter) I just wish it was treated better by the studios

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I wish viv got her vision to be more than shoved into 8 episodes

clear notch
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Yeah i agree with that

near meteor
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Honestly the amount of effort they clearly put into it is one reason why I get so annoyed- you’d think with how much effort is put in the scripts and outlines would have gotten more passes so the world and characters could shine at their brightest. Because the characters are so fun interesting, and so is the setting, and they deserve better.

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I hope we see the deadly sins in hazbin hotel

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Even satan

mystic raptor
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Again, I feel bad for Lute and yet I’m worried the show’s gonna turn around and say no she’s unredeemable. Have her die like Adam did.

clear notch
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I wanna see Lucifer get mad at satan for taking stolas power or something

clear notch
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Or she be the antichrist or something

mystic raptor
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She already is though. The problem is the show seems to have a really hard time deciding whether their villains should be complex/sympathetic or just straight up evil. Vox is just the most recent example of this

clear notch
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I kinda don't feel bad for her because she treated vaggi like sh

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And i was suprised it seemed like she had feelings for adam

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Like what

indigo gorge
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Isnt half the point Charlie wants to redeem even the worst people?

clear notch
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Yeah but i like lute sorry 😭

indigo gorge
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It'd be backwards to not redeem them OR show them they refuse to change and cant be redeemed bc of their own actions

clear notch
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She reminds me of closed minded Christians

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Vox wasn't redeemed

indigo gorge
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No

clear notch
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And alastor seem like he may be the next villian

indigo gorge
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But Charlie said she thinks anyone could be, but then that puts the redemption in the sinners hands

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You have to WANT to correct your mistakes and those like Vox who dont wont change

clear notch
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I think it would be interesting to see Lucifer back on his throne talking to the 7 sins again

near meteor
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Oh, I don’t mind Lute being unredeemable if they make it fun enough to watch. Love me a horrid bitch villian. It’s why I actually like Vox, because he’s such a shithead idiot narcissist lol

clear notch
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Or even welcomed back in heaven for like meetings and stuff

mystic raptor
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Yeah, like I doubt any of the Vees even want to and even the pilot establishes Alastor is pretty content on where he is.

clear notch
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I'd like to see that variety of sinners. Ones who wont change, and others who want to

clear notch
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Like asmodeous

near meteor
clear notch
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I love him and fizzarollie

indigo gorge
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It'd add to the grey morality of it all

clear notch
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Are the sins hell born or are the sinners?

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I forgor

mystic raptor
indigo gorge
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Imps are hell born

clear notch
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I mean the 7 sins

indigo gorge
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UHHHH I dont know actually

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You'd have to check a wiki or something for that info

mystic raptor
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Like, we’re two seasons and I don’t know the names of half of the other overlords.

clear notch
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Carmella

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I love her

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Ze something

near meteor
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I also love that even though Vox is the Progress is King Tech Guy he sings a bunch of 50’s ass songs

clear notch
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The spider dude

clear notch
near meteor
clear notch
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Brighter was actually good but it reminded me of shake it off because of the talking in one part

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😭

clear notch
# near meteor Zestiel

Hes so cool. I kinda ship him with carmella. Idk y but their chemistry is there for me

near meteor
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No, I could see it. The grieving widow with kids and the man she has an unlabeled strong relationship with. Comes off as Queer Platonic to me.

clear notch
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I also saw some of the overlords old concepts in the pilot. Some look the same but carmella had different hair and claws i think?

clear notch
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But why queer i wanna ask

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Thats very interesting

mystic raptor
clear notch
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I plan to get some hellaverse plushies

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Charlie
Alastor
Vox (so he can be hanged :3)
Loona
Blitz
Stolas
Fizzarolle. Weighted plush.

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I already have Stolas but it was a older version

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I wanna get the new version

mystic raptor
indigo gorge
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Sounds like a looney tunes plot lol

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But it would be a good breather

near meteor
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Alastor and Lucifer are very Looney Tunes Coded, so that would be great actually.

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Like, Alastor is an Eldritch Looney Tune, but a Looney Tune none the less. Like Bugs Bunny and his evil twin brother but in hell

errant venture
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Viv don't know how to juggle to many characters or themes at the same time

near meteor
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Like Alastor literally dropped a piano on Lu season 1 lol

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indigo gorge
errant venture
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She did a good job with Vox this season i think but everything else suffered for it

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We got much deeper implecations with Rosie but nothing came of it. Lilith introduction at the end of season 1 was obly used again at the end of season 2

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Lute plotting revenge the whole seaons only to ahow back up for like 30 seconds at the very end

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I do hope the Lilith thing becomes a running gag

clear notch
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Because viv said season 3 is a morningstar season

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So she will most likely return

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She did call back so like...

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Something will happen

errant venture
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Oh another thing why did Alaster come back. The way he was talking Rosie was the reason that he had to go to the hotel in the first place but after getting off his chain he just shows back up

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At least she made a character that truly felt like an angel in The Speaker

near meteor
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It could also just be that Lucifer fits his victim profile tho lol

errant venture
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Alaster is going to get redemption? I don't think it would make any sense byt that hasn't stopped Viv so far

near meteor
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Idk it’s only clear that he’s not staying a villain or becoming the big bad

mystic raptor
errant venture
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Cause Lucifer can do anything to you anyway so who cares about him. I don't know maybe he just like messing with Lucifer

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Man how is it that every Carmilla design looks better than her generic one

mystic raptor
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Alastor remains the best character in the show so him getting Season 3 sounds good to me as long as they can still do him justice.

clear notch
near meteor
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Yes

clear notch
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Everyone agrees shes talking about alastor becoming the next villian

clear notch
near meteor
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I know he’s next seasons villain but they’ve also been liking stuff about him being saved by the power of friendship and also the voice actor denied him being the big bad- he’s going to be the villain next season, but it doesn’t seem like he’s staying a villain

near meteor
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Also, I know this is a tiny gripe I just was thinking about, but I don’t like that Charlie wears a pants suit/always wears pants. Like the only time outside of a fantasy sequence is season 1 finale. Like she is a princess with a princess personality let her wear a skirt damnit

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Like what was that fit in the season 2 finale fit??? Like I kinda like it but the fuck even is that

indigo gorge
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I think it was something similar to what Foxington wore in Bad Guys?

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near meteor
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Like that’s one piece (still odd but more acceptable) tho. Charlie’s is like two pieces, it looks like a fancy top over normal pants

indigo gorge
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Yeah I see what you mean

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Gonna spoiler this but its weirdly designed dress-like but we gotta give her pants at all costs

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mystic raptor
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If we wanna talk fashion choices, one thing that kind of bugged me is Vaggi’s default clothes being her hotel uniform. Like I don’t know, can’t she just wear her pilot outfit whenever she’s not working?

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She’s the only character that got that kind of change from the pilot so I think that’s why it bugs me. All the other characters mostly got just a few tweaks so their outfits feel more natural for them.

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clear notch
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@errant venture

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I TOLD YOU

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It ain't gonna be no running joke anymore

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MOTHER IS COMING HOME!!!!

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WE WON!!!

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Wait its confirmed?

clear notch
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Dang

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Its Lilith time in 2 years

clear notch
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Yet @errant venture ignored me when i said i think lilith is coming and that he wanted it to he a running gag

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😭

indigo gorge
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They might be busy or not always on discord

clear notch
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Apparently there’s people who actually think Alastor and Vox’s last names are Altruist and Populi lol

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Open up the schools

mystic raptor
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Altruist I can understand. I thought his last name was Altruist for a while.

ivory rune
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How?

mystic raptor
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I don’t know. It felt natural in the song and it’s not a word I’m familiar with.

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Like in a normal sentence, how would altruist be used in that context?

ivory rune
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He was calling himself an altruist ironically

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Based on how people would’ve perceived him at that moment, “sacrificing” himself for his “friends”

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Wait I have a question for anyone that knows all the lore; is Cherri Bomb an overlord?

ivory rune
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No

mystic raptor
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“Great Alastor altruist died for his friends”? Something doesn’t seem right about that

ivory rune
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“Great Alastor, altruist, died for his friends”

mystic raptor
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Yeah that makes more sense. Sorry, I can’t hear commas.

ivory rune
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The subtitles fucked it up was the thing

near meteor
ivory rune
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Vox Populi is based on the phrase Vox Populi, Vox Dei

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Which means the voice of the people is the voice of god

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That’s why the two songs are named that way

near meteor
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So he chose a name based on lit that fit his flavor of narcissism?

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You ignored everything I just said, also

ivory rune
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If anything he just picked the name Vox

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He says Vox Populi because he IS the people’s voice, that’s why he follows it up right after

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Until we get some kind of confirmation otherwise, hi name is just Vox

near meteor
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He called himself Vox Populi. The Crowd did. It’s literally in lights above his head and you need the creator to spoon feed you that answer???

ivory rune
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If it was meant to be his last name, why would the second song in that scene be named after the second half of the phrase

near meteor
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Because he’s trying to become God, and it finishes the reference

ivory rune
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It’s meant to be a reference to that Latin phrase, not an indicator of his identity

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When he says he’s Vox Populi, it’s not him declaring that as his name, he’s declaring himself the people’s voice

near meteor
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Also his entire brand in Life and in Death is Trust Me! Of course he would pick a Latin name meaning Voice of the People for himself, it fits his fucked up psychology to a T

ivory rune
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Yes, that i agree with, that’s why his name is Vox

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He’s the voice

near meteor
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“Me, Vox Populi, The People’s Voice!”

ivory rune
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Yes, exactly

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He is the people’s voice

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He is also trying to be the voice of god

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Hence the word Vox which is in both Vox Populi and Vox Dei

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He is Vox because he’s not just the voice of the people or god, but the entirety of Hell with his conglomerate

near meteor
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Okay, but even if it’s not his name, which it probably is and I don’t know why it matter, you have to admit this is not the same as Alastor Altruist debacle. Like, they say it multiple times, it’s literally in lights over his head, it’s not the same as not hearing/seeing a comma.

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It’s entirely reasonable to hear someone say “Me, Vox Populi, The People’s Voice” while Hail Vox Populi is in lights over his head and assume that that’s his fucking name

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Especially when we know people take Whole New Names in Hell, aka: Angel Dust

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Like, Occam’s Razor, dude.

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mystic raptor
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In a way, he’s trying to be both with his whole putting words in Lilith’s mouth thing.

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That alone probably should’ve gotten Charlie to put him in his place but you know, plot needs to happen.

ivory rune
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Charlie doesn’t do shit

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The fact that she’s not affected by Angel leaving the hotel, or at least we don’t see her being affected is crazy

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clear notch
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My tier lists

ivory rune
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I understand why people hate Valentino

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But like….idk, I feel like people take it too seriously

mystic raptor
ivory rune
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I totally understand peoples problems with how Viv handles SA

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And that problems is extended with how Valentino is written

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But like….idk

I feel like people want him to just be an easy to hate character with no other aspects to him whatsoever? As if all he ever thinks about is rape?

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But then those same people are most likely going to bitch about Viv not writing her characters properly

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mystic raptor
errant venture
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When is Fat Nuggets going to get his own episode

mystic raptor
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In the alternate dimension where we get the Alastor VS. Lucifer episode

clear notch
clear notch
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@errant venture

mystic raptor
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You don’t have to ping twice. Missletoad will reply when he gets the chance.

clear notch
ivory rune
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Ok if I can nitpick about Vox Populi

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I hate how Lucifer goes from saying raw ass hard as fuck lines like “The mortal world is scared to say my name” and “I am a living aspect of the infinite” to “Mr Tv Head Man” and “I am so spooky!”

near meteor
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I don’t really see anything wrong with Mr. Tv Head Man, it’s demeaning and dismissive, like he wanted. I’m so Spooky I’m the Shit were the only really weak parts of Lucifer’s section, a bit of filler to bridge to his next round of taunts

ivory rune
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Lucifer in general in season 2 I didn’t really lik

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Like I understand he’s a goofy little guy, but so goofy he doesn’t even register pain?

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We know he’s capable of taking a situation seriously, he did so in the season 1 finale

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Meanwhile he’s locked up, constantly being electrocuted and he’s all “Box is a funny word”

near meteor
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He’s living aspect of infinite, of course he’s not really concerned with being captured by a sinner. Of course he has a high pain tolerance? He’s almost a god- THAT’S the part you have issue with???

ivory rune
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It’s not the pain tolerance I have an issue with

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It’s not taking a situation seriously

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You would think he’d be more mad that a cheeky little mortal has him locked up for something

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Yknow, sin of pride and all that

near meteor
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Of course he’s not taking it seriously, it’s not like he was going to die- if the weapon was used properly, anyway. Lucifer’s whole thing is Sinners Ain’t Shit. Also, he’s the Sin of Pride, why would he let anybody know a mortal Got To Him? If he’s concerned at all, he’d mask that shit to shield his pride.

I meant, THAT’S your issue over is Brain Dead Falling for an obvious trap or his complete obliviousness to anything currently happening in Hell???

ivory rune
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My issue is with his writing, these are the examples

near meteor
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Like, I like think “Whatever you’re doing here, it won’t work. You’re Garbage.” Is a pretty succinct summation of why he wasn’t concerned with being a battery.

clear notch
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This conversation didn't make sense to me

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Anyway, people have their own opinions but-

near meteor
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Didn’t make sense??? God I need to find people on my speed and wavelength to talk to before I fully lose it I’m getting a headache

clear notch
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Yeah idk i just feel like Lucifer's solo was fine

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Hes goofy like that

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Imma be annoyed if missletoad doesn't Acknowledge me and see the video/j

clear notch
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Oh wow

near meteor
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?

errant venture
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Why do you require my validation

near meteor
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Most people don’t react well to being ignored, or perceiving that they are, as may be the case.

clear notch
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near meteor
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👍

near meteor
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At this point I’m starting to get insulted on Stella’s behalf. If ya don’t care to watch the interview, or what Viv said or whatever, just say that. Ghosting like that when asked a question is low key rude lol

clear notch
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In another server i been tryna say hi to someone for at least a few months and he keeps ignoring me. All i said was i liked his pfp. And he never answers. Even when i friend him he ignores me

mystic raptor
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This is true but the least you could do is have Carmilla address them by name or show these characters having even an ounce of a conversation.

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I guess i don't need his imput. I'll just wait intel a year or 2 and he will see lilith on screen hugging charlie and Lucifer. Lol

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She gaves us so much

Zestial backstory next season
Lilith returns
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And if Season 3 ends up being eight episodes again?

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If so i hope they make episodes longer

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At this point, the show kind of needs to be 44 minutes.

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Also she basically is confirming alastor is the next villian

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Season 4 i think would be lute.

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Seasom 5 if there will be one. I think will be roo/eve

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Season 1 color red
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Season 3 color purple (probably Lilith) and color green (alastor)
Season 4 color gold (probably lute)
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And viv confirmed that alastor does feel something for charlie. Even if he doesn't realizes it yet. Like probably actually a friend he can't accept

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Eh, pretty tame stuff and most of it is reasonable or born from flaws in worldbuilding in the show itself.

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You can tell both her shows are headed by someone with little to no proper writing experience, who’s very immature, it’s seeped into the dna and story telling decisions made, and that’s also fine. Art is art and her stuff is still mostly enjoyable most of the time. Not all shows have to be genius masterpieces.

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Like Vaggi’s name thing WAS a waste of time. Lute’s thing was too, all the set up they really needed for her being a problem down the road was the court scene of her demanding blood and getting shut down, texting Lilith and boom she can be shuffled out stage right until she hints even stronger at her big villian arc in season 4 at the end of season 3 where we THEN get to see just how not well she’s been taking this all since getting denied her revenge in the previous season. Then people wouldn’t feel so much like they shafted her.

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Lute is a simmer villian as whay viv said

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Yes. But she didn’t treat her like a simmer villian. She gave her a show stopping musical number about revenge and even gave her the opportunity for her to get her personal revenge on Charlie when she and Vaggie fought in the finale. She gave her too much spotlight for it to not feel like a slight

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All they needed to do was indicate how pissed she was and that she wants revenge, which the courtroom scene accomplishes, they didn’t need to do much than that.

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Like imagine if Gravity, her big Revenge I Want Song, was the cap of season 3, going into the season where Lute/Heaven become the big bad of the season? That just makes more sense structurally than giving it to her in another villian’s season

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Which again is the same thing that happened with Vox. Could’ve just not been in Season 1 at all until the end and not miss much.

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Eh, Vox was fine enough in season 1, their interactions with/about Alastor are sort of needed to pull off season 2 properly.

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Yeah but they didn’t need a whole song about it. Keep Valentino the focus of Season 1 while he talks with Vox in the shadows and when he hears Alastor is back, have him start going off the deep end but again, save any major plot beats for the end of the season.

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Idk i felt like gravity was used to set her up and that soon she will be a main villian

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Especially with Lute’s whole going insane and seeing Adam in her head thing. That just straight up does not get mentioned again after that song.

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Songs in musicals are storytelling tools, used to deliver information and ideas that are important to the story. Lute’s mental instability and personal desire for revenge aren’t needed for the plot of the season to work. The events of the season 1 finale are enough to justify heaven’s plot in season 2. Sinners know how to fight back now and have killed a powerful angel, but it turns out redemption is possible, that’s enough to prompt conflict with/between Sera and Emily, unhelped by a fence sitting Abel, resulting in all the same things happening.

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Giving someone an I Want song of any breed is also not advised if you don’t intend to cash that check in that show anytime soon, or in this case within the season the song happens

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I don't think she would lie tbh

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Like, even the likes of a number like Clean It Up serves a purpose of actively ruining Charlie’s attempt at good PR while also giving shine to Nifty. Gravity doesn’t even move to the plot along, it just introduces an idea it’s not going fulfill until 2 seasons from now

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Angel dust and morningstar family

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And that Lilith is returning

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And probably alastor is the villian

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And there goes all my hopes for lute the villain of season 3..maybe in season 6..maybe

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If they don't give her a redemption arc or smth by then

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Or killed her in a gag idk

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Y'all think viv will make yet another show in hell?

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After HH or HB ends?

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😭

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Every time i hear that i lose hope 💔

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She said she wants season 5 to be the end. And i think roo will be final villian

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I mean the show DOES need to explain why she’s just been unresponsive for seven years. If Lute went behind Sera’s back and sent Lilith down there anyways, that’s one thing.

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# short pendant Y'all think viv will make yet *another* show in hell?

https://youtube.com/shorts/eTJWnDq67Y4?si=rHjai8uLIqPpwTUv people would like these

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Lilith Makes her 2 second worth of appearance and poof
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Maybe she left because

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Lady Gaga? Don’t make me laugh.

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Idina Menzel on the other hand

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That would slap

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I don't see that sorry

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I don't get the sudden hate for lady gaga

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It’s not Lady Gaga herself I have problems with. Look at this and tell me this is the face of someone who unironically listens to Pokerface

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Literally Viv needs a HUGE budget to get her dream casting

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If not lady gaga then maybe kim petras

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Or ava max

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Whos funding ava max to be there?

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cotton candyyyyyyy

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To be fair, Menzel just got paid $600,000 for Frozen 3 and 4 so she probably costs a pretty penny as well. I’m thinking more is this a good fit for the character than can this show afford this actor?

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I dont worry about what lilith sounds like, I need you to understand massive singers are pricey

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I mean, I could see her in HH, but not in a role like Lilith. She’s very very talented but she can’t pull off a voice so magical it empowers sinners.

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I think kim petras would

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King of hearts is a great song from her

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Idk i just when i see Lilith, i feel like she would have a deep beautiful voice. Like idk how my brain works but it make sense to me 😭

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Too high pitched.

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Idk who else to recommend

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Cus i mainly listen to pop songs and some rock

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And anime songs

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Ariana has a weak lower register

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Yeah i know she wouldn't be Lilith i was making a joke

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All i could think of is kim petras idk

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Just whoever it is i kinda hope they have a deep Beautiful voice

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But thats just me ill go with whoever it is lol

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Also Idina Menzel is The Queen of Broadway, so that would be a gorgeous fit for the Queen of Hell, especially with this shows Broadway gets lol

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I think its just me i can't imagine elsas voice coming from lilith...

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If she has the range then I dont see an issue

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If she can just go a little deeper, I think it’d work just fine.

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I like her and i think shes an amazing singer tho

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I was thinking Madison beer but idk if people like her

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Now thinking about it more yeah idina is a good canadite.

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She’s a mezzo-Soprano, so yeah, she can do lower notes. Think less Elsa, more Elphaba

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Oh yeah

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I heard some of her elphaba songs they good

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I think lilith would do ballads

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And ig a bit of opera but I'm not a big opera fan

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I was mostly using opera as an example. The only opera singers I know are YouTube profiles and I don’t think they’d go for any of my picks.

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Also I know this might be petty, but Mendzel’s Elsa work is really good and exhibits plenty of range. If you’ve ever tried to really sing any of her songs the lows and highs are both a bitch to hit in the same song

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I also hope we see satan in hazbin hotel. I wanna see Lucifer slap him for taking stolas power and acting like he is better than Lucifer/s

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Ah, with the way you tend to talk- you perhaps meant /srs not /s?

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Okay yeah I know I was worried you didn’t lol

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Lol

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Also how come the helluva boss chat is dead

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I thought this was the Helluva Boss chat

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Theres a seperate one but people have been just talking about both here

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Also not everyone here is into or wants to talk about HH/HB

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Either way, I presume it’s because there’s not much to say about Helluva right now until Season 3 of that show is ready probably next year.

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anytime when someone says stolas doesn't love blitzø, imma tell them to listen to mastermind. He was ready to sacrifice his life to blitzø. If that ain't love i don't know what is

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Wanting to live for someone is much more sweet than wanting to die for someone.

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Im sorry

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lol thanks I’m reading so I rushed

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Thats just how i feel and perceive it
but i do agree living for someone is also romantic

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It can be but then when the character actually dies, then what? I’m just kind of reminded of Pearl’s character arc from Steven Universe because that pretty much goes against that entire notion.

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It tickles my ear when sir pentious says "praying you'll find a way. Make it another DAY"

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I like season 2 more than 1, I feel that its writing is better (I know its flawed and all)

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But more than anything is still a beautiful song

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Still probably won’t happen but damn it, Adrienne’s got bars.

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Maybe I'm emotional for music but

Don't judge me but i try my best not to cry listening to "Hear my hope" .

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I really like that song, especially because of the detour parts with Abel and Alastor

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It's shmultzy but sounds nice

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Fr

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She kinda confirms it

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I JUST THOUGHT OF SOMEONE FOR LILITH

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Rita ora

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Me looking for hint of melanin in Hazbin Hotel's heaven

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At least thats what i thought of

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That ashy ass grey always sends me man

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Because they are beautiful and sing good

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I think seras va is black?

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Well they were explicitly designed to be black rep (audition sheets) but the execution is poor

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Oh

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At least that's my opinion

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Reminds me of this, pardon the fact its a tiktok clip

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Tbf I never expected this show or thos creator to be good with black rep

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I saw a joke about Viv malding at the idea of making human Alastor dark lol

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I hope Vox is just mounted on a wall or carried around as a tablet

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Viv learned nothing from writing this season, for the first thing

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For the second “we assumed it would be clear” it wasn’t. Charlie can be very distractable/scatterbrained sometimes, so it LOOKS like she ran over to check on him and got distracted.

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For the third, having the “All our guests are family, inside every demon is a rainbow” character not have anytime on screen giving care to people who’ve been living with her makes her look like a hypocrite and it’s really really easy to predict that that would be the case

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And more over, this really doesn’t bare well for the shows future writing if Viv can’t seem to recognize that different sorts of pain exist and also most people have empathy. I also really hope there’s nobody in her life that clearly needs help but doesn’t ask clearly enough or is grown up so she doesn’t have to do anything, like hol-y.

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CHARLIE is NOT better in season 2 tbh..rosie was different in season 2
I agree on "better in season 1"

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She got overshadowed pretty badly in season 1

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About?

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Like yeah she cares about Angel's well being, but she doesnt care enough to listen to him when he's speaking about not making things worse with Val, plus the idea that he was the first ever guest at the Hotel and didnt bother to ask him why he went to hell in the first place until after Pentious died and got redeemed?

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And we never get to see her reaction to Angel deciding not to come back to the Hotel either

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There's a lot of problems with Charlie, and I feel like they only address like...maybe a third of them in the show

Like the address Charlie going into business for herself and not listening to anybody, but not her very black and white views of right and wrong, and the idea that she's basically wants people to change pretty much everything about their personalities as a result

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Yeah, she’s a mess, and honestly I could get behind it if the story took her flaws more seriously.

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I constantly hope in some way it pulls together into showing off how naive she is to the world for some shield of "she didnt understand/know better" but thats probably not gonna happen

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I saw an instagram reel of someones idea of Sera talking to Lucifer and saying something like "see where these dreams got you? were they worth it?" and I wish it was something like that. That his idea of raising her on hopes and dreams was good but not a complete way of growing up and very blind to the reality of alot of things.

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But more over, I’m taken by the fact that she didn’t have to be this way. There are actually ways to make her naive that are ripe for comedy potential given the setting. Like, instead of having her not know how to properly rehabilitate sinners because she’s just kind of naive and dumb- have it be because she was raised in Hell around primarily Hellborns because her father hates sinners, so what she thinks is right and wrong is screwed up and have it be like a running bit that sinners in her care have to remind her that a thing is a sin. Like she knows random violence and murder and stuff is bad, that you need to have manners and stuff, but she has to be told that cannablism is wrong, like that? Go for a comedy of errors vibe where in order to fulfill her dream she will also need to become a better person while the show pokes fun at her not knowing things that anybody not raised by demons know. Play at naivety that way, could have been very interesting and funny. Instead Charlie comes off like a clueless nepobaby hire.

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That would be ripe for the joke "I supports womens rights and wrongs!" as she defends a murderer or something

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Like
Vaggie, a former Angel: Do you think we should tell Angel Dust to stop doing Coke off the front desk?
Charlie, was regularly babysat by the Sin of Gluttony: Why?

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I agree but i feel like a main character without flaws would be boring

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Vaggie: Charlie, we cant have Niffty just threatening murder.

Charlie: Why not? Its her way of saying hello!

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Thats the point, shes so unaware of what is right and wrong Vaggie has to explain it to her which would explain alot of her mistakes

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You're not getting the joke....

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You're not understanding what we're saying

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I guess i replied to the wrong one

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Perhaps, cause I was making the joke of Charlie being unaware its bad to threaten people and it would scare off guests rather than make them feel welcome

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Oh ok

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The entire thing here is we feel it'd make more sense for Charlie to be so used to hell being bad she has no understanding that its actually not good to be a cannibal or murderer or do these bad things that landed them in hell.

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I feel like season 3 charlie will have some development

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Understanding her parents more

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Thats not really going to fix or change the fact shes been written weirdly in the first two seasons

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Because thats what most people go through at a certain age

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No, shes just written very weird already and you cant write off her naivity to a point considering she doesnt even respect Angel Dust, her first hotel visitor

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She SAW him being in an abusive situation and then STILL brought over his literal adjacent abuser

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What the fuck, I would leave that hotel immediately

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Even after her told her personal things, and in the end he closed himself off again cause Charlie ended up in a situation his information was forcibly talked about when he wasnt comfortable

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I don't think season 3 can really "win" in terms of the main character considering how much people dislike Charlie right now

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And it would be hard to course correct

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He was there the whole time Rick and Morty?

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He actually was too. In a cutaway gag with Husk. Family Guy?

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Does anyone else feel like Vox and Vaggie carried most of the season?

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I'm looking forward to Lute being the main villain next season, which is my prediction

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I thought she would be the big bad of this season because they leaked her song before any episodes came out

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Looking forward to hear Lilith speak after 2 seasons of bait

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☝️ The MALE character

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Did Viv ever say Hazbin was a female led show or is that something we just collectively agreed to be true?

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I dont remember actually

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I think very early on she was comparing Hazbin to Helluva but it was probably in a tweet on her now private account so I can’t exactly fact check that.

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I mean the main character (supposedly) of Hazbin IS female

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So like…by the literal definition it’s female led

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Cause you know how some creators say one thing and it doesn’t always line up with what they say?

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I think she said it somewhere but I cant find direct proof

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Probably a Tweet from years back

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I don't mean you btw

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Just so that is clear

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I mean my biggest enemy

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Alright, huge nerd ramble but Vox’s backstory bugs the shit out of me. Not the whole ‘he’s a murderer’ part, I like that fine, it’s just inconceivable that it happened when it’s supposed to. It’s visual implied that his rise took at least a decade and he is supposed to have died in the 50’s. So the first issue, weathermen weren’t really a thing until the early 50’s. Like there were some, but not like a dedicated position with maps and stuff. So that’s strike one. Strike 2, he kills a dude named Robert Sinclair, who was an actual murder victim for the first thing and the second, wasn’t a station executive irl just a director. Strike 3, his first tv head is in color before color tvs were widely viable or even that size, it should have been black and white.

Like if they just had him die in the late 70’s or early 80’s it would fix so much. Why set things in the past if you aren’t going to research it. Mine it for comedy at least.

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Some worldbuilding issues with that

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I didn't even notice that until your message

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I know suspension of disbelief and yet ironically it comes off as another example Vox is only winning because his enemies are too stupid to do anything about it.

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Besides the first dude he passed the killings off as accidents, but yeah somebody would have definitely raised alarm lol

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I personally like to believe that the reason he was so ruffled when he was giving his cult his little speech, and also why he was hosting a meeting in an abandoned aquarium in the first place, was because people were asking questions and he was double dosing on God Complex and Paranoia lol

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But I also like to believe he died like very very soon after the ownership of the network transferred, hence the need to give a little victory speech to all the people in his cult before he installed them in the company (presuming his cult was that New Blood he was talking about), before promptly dying from an OSHA violation

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Also, just, while I’m bitch moaning about stuff, the idea/implication that everybody whoever died and went to hell live in this one city is asinine. Also weird that the only ones seemingly really stuck in their times is like People from the Victorian and Edwardian eras? Like I’m supposed to believe there aren’t millions of Alastor’s that refuse to engage with tech beyond a certain point? I’m supposed just believe Alastor is Outdated in Hell when there has to be buckets of souls that refuse to go any further than radio? I don’t think that anything would ever truly go out of vogue just because there would always be contingents of people stuck in their time or attached to things from their times.

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And it really is a mine of untapped potential for what The Vees do, it might have been fun to see/hear them talk about eras/countries like age demographics, which ones they lack in and how to up their numbers. Vox complains about their low polling with people from BC times and demanding solutions so Velvette groans and moans and manufacturers a toga based micro-trend, like that. Vox yelling at a stooge about finishing that Old French translation program, their foreign and ancient language polling is trash.

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Expanding on that, the idea that in hell at anytime you could be hit by modern vehicle, a T-Bird, a horse and buggy, or some lunatic on some sort of hell creature is pretty funny

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And now back on my bullshit, I looked it up, over 100 billion people have died ever. Like like 60 million die every year in modern day, and everybody that goes to hell is in this one city? Get fucked. I need this to be cleared up, that the pentagram isn’t it for sinners, that it’s just the capital of pride or something because no. They need to make that clearer

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You are super passionate about this show and the worldbuilding, its cool to see SkellyThumbsUp

near meteor
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Whenever something catches my interest I get… intense about it lol tism and all 😅

near meteor
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My fury at The Pentagram of it all is made worse by the fact the IMP building is seen in the background of season 2 finale which indicates that Imp City is a district of the pentagram city. Like come on, dude

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Guess nobody informed the artist for this wide the districts are supposed to be distinct and not just More Entertainment District 😅

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But then again, that could be a criticism towards most incarnations of Hell.

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A lot of them are technically empty aren’t they? Like it’s just one guy and the devil while everyone else is just not seen anywhere.

near meteor
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I mean no but even when it is there is implied to be much more hell where sinners are exist, and also all those times Hell isn’t the principle setting

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But in this setting they show sinners all the time and talk like this city is all there is

mystic raptor
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I still don’t really buy that nobody can or has even tried to go to the other rings. How does that even work? Can one just detect who’s a sinner and who’s a hellborn?

near meteor
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I mean, yes, it’s a magical realm, that actually tracks. There’s presumably a magic barrier, I buy that, but the fact they act like this is where all the sinners are, not even naming other pride cities or anything

errant venture
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I mean how large are Heaven or Hell?

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Surely Sinners out number Hellborn but they all supposedly stay in the Pride Ring in which case why even have the other Rings names, the point of Dante's Inferno was Sinners go the the Ring of the Sin they are most guilty of or damned then

near meteor
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HH operates on the logic the hell sort of formed around Lucifer or was molded by his fall, so the rings exist because the sins exist because Lucifer did that whole… apple thing. But yeah them being confined to pride is super weird and an odd choice since as ruler of the whole of Hell, they’d annoy him not matter where he went if they had free reign of the rings. Hell, they’d probably cause more problems if he was constantly having the deal with dinner and hellborn conflicts lol

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I think he's tied to the pride ring because when Lucifer first fell or was cast out, he was considered "prideful" because of his ideas and literally trying to overthrow god to make it happen

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I mean, yeah of course, but that’s not really the point. The question is why have the rings be named if the sinners don’t go there for that sin, and the only answer I got is because they wanted to remind Lucifer of what he did letting sin in the world by trapping him in a box full of the thing he let into the world when he tempted Eve lol

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I like to think that when he got cast down as he took on Pride, primordial entities already living in hell latched onto his other, lesser sins, and turned into the Other Deadly Sins. Or something like that.

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https://youtu.be/boBYDYfyH0o?si=QLFRkPFXXOYS2eea idk how useful this video is since I just started it, but maybe it would be good to watch for the Vox thing

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The History behind Hazbin Hotel Season 2

Spoilers, duh.

Just spelling out the Hazbin Hotel lore as much as I can

Sources:
https://www.jack-the-ripper-tour.com/locations/gunthorpe-street-george-yard/
https://www.nytimes.com/1974/08/29/archives/times-to-increase-daily-price-to-20c-rise-affects-city-and-areas.html
https://blog.oup.com/2014/03/coke-cocaine-coca-cola-capitalism-business-...

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near meteor
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Nope, watched it, they don’t really have a good grasp of the difference between ‘clear they died this time’ and ‘They were supposed to die at this time and nobody bothered making sure this timeline wasn’t full of flaws’

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☠️

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errant venture
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I mean his moderation for Murder is different but ya its still murder

wheat flicker
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Wait until Cherry Bomb's backstory is "She was rude a couple times"

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The fanbase will go mild

errant venture
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i mean something like framing someone else for a serious crime would work

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Heck Vox could have just simply caused people above him to lose their jobs and credibility to get to a higher position well the people he steps on lose their homes and end up as beggers

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So I know a lot of people are mixed when it comes to the Hellaverse with it writing (except for me because in all honesty I think both shows are amazing) but I think we could all agree both shows shine even more with the LGBTQ representation both shows have

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From gay characters like Angel Dust Stolas And Fizz To The Lesbian characters such as Vaggi Velvette and Sally May To the bisexual characters Such As Charlie Vox Loona Moxxie to pansexual characters like Husker Blitzo and Lucifer to the asexual characters such as Alastor Octavia Mammon and striker

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These characters all have a love for one another, and I think it’s nice getting to see them all come together because of the different sexualities and love they have for one another

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I don’t think hazbin hotel would work if Charlie And Vaggi weren’t a couple or helluva boss working better without seeing Blitzo and Stolas and seen their relationship blooming into something beautiful

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I’m glad these shows aren’t afraid to show characters being who they really are and I hope for each of the seasons going forward we get to see more of that love for one another grow

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Definitely

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These shows give those communities very good representation through flawed but still interesting and funny characters

ivory rune
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This is an ice cold take

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But the fact that Adam is like dead dead and not a sinner running around in Hell is SUCH a missed opportunity

wheat flicker
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Yea

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A way to repurpose that is if they send Lute down as a "spy," but they just don't want to deal with her

indigo gorge
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The fact that people assumed black butler amuses me to no end because my friend likes alastor and is a massive black butler fan.

near meteor
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Without checking… Grell?

indigo gorge
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Yeah im not surprised thatd be the confusion. I just find it funny how well it lines up they like the demon butler anime then liked the demon bellhop hotel greeter dressed in red.

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Consistency in taste

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I saw a commercial from Pepperidge farms

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I wish there was a video of it

near meteor
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It doesn’t help that Grell has that past version of herself when she was still masc with shorter hair that some folks dress as and not all Alastor cosplayers get wigs with black tips lol

indigo gorge
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I always think of that one comment during the Vox and Alastor fight on velvette's stream where someone says he as a "fuckass bob"

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If hes just Grell inspired in some way Im gonna laugh harder

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Oh right, the Bob, that means he could be mistaken with Lady Red too lol

indigo gorge
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TRUE LOL

ivory rune
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Ok no but like....why does it kind of look better that her face shows her age

indigo gorge
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I think it helps show she is thousands of years old

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And she has dealt with ALOT, and especially with her entire belief shattering??

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Because Adam and Lute are dumbos.

indigo gorge
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Adam was actually one of the smarter and manipulative people in heaven

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Bent on their own ideals sure, but smart enough to know SOMETHING.

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Just only what benefitted them

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My guess is if Adam were around for Season 2, he’d probably get angry he can’t kill sinners anymore but he also seems like the guy who would just forget about it after a while and move on to something else. Something involving monster trucks or giant snakes, idk.

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If Adam was around I'd like to see the show question his and Lute's logic and sit them down with why they think this way and what sins really are worth going to Hell for if Sir Pentious literally went there bc of his own guilt by vague association of seeing a murder.

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I also wanna see Adam realize that Hell isn’t so bad after all

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It IS kind of crazy tho

indigo gorge
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Did Sera take his word bc hes first man? Does she even look in on Earth?? Does she just think he was truthful and said "okay yeah humans are bad and cant change."

ivory rune
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That the WORSE of a person you are, the BETTE off you are in Hell

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Alastor made a deal to be fair but what about everyone else, all the other Overlords

indigo gorge
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He knew the game

ivory rune
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But what about everyone else though

indigo gorge
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They learned the game, somehow. Vox learned it well enough as well as Velvette. Valentino clearly seems to know something but also hes...not always right so its 50/50

ivory rune
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That’s my point though, hell rewards you for being a bad person

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The nicer you are, if you still somehow end up in hell, the worse off you’ll be

indigo gorge
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As Charlie gets constantly bullied

ivory rune
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She’s a whole other issue

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Gonna be totally honest with the way it’s structured, hell feels less like an eternal punishment and more like an alternate dimension

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Like I’m not expect it to be constant torture all the fucking time, with little imps sticking pitchforks up everyone’s butts

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But I’d expect horrible people to not be as successful as they are unless they made some kind of deal

mystic raptor
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Well there’s a reason why I keep saying it’s just Earth but red.

indigo gorge
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I recently watched through the entire show and its just...a big mess and feels like everyone is attacking the issue, others, or trying their own "solution" and it becomes a trainwreck of everyone trying to """"Help"""" and it makes it all worse

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LIke nobody in either Heaven or Hell seem to know how to stop and talk to people half the time

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You know what I wish too

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A little thing

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I wish Heaven didn’t swear so much

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Well

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Ok I’m lying I think

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I don’t remember Sera or Emily swearing a lot

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And the only people I’d be cool with swearing are Adam, Lute, and Abel that one time

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ONLY when he calls Lute a bitch

Cause dramatic irony

indigo gorge
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Abel at least had a reason to do that so it had more punch to it given his character

ivory rune
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But then I remember Abel swore before that too

indigo gorge
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I really wish this show had more time to do something because Abel is very interesting in concept but its on brand for me lmao

ivory rune
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I wonder if he’d still have time if there was more episodes

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Or does Patrick Stump work for peanuts lol

indigo gorge
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I at least wouldve liked to see him and Lute have a conversation

ivory rune
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I want better for this series

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I really do

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Jay asking me to write gay porn with him