See if that works
#auctions-general
candid lily
blazing monolith
It was working before and suddenly stopped
candid lily
Some adblockers might stop certain scripts from running during auctions
blazing monolith
I dont believe I am running any on my ipad
fallow lodge
I dont believe I am running any on my ipad
Apple have blockers by default
blazing monolith
Damn well I think I got it working
neat valley
The moment when you bidded 5 cent to much,I hope i get outbidded
gilded kernel
@rancid root Out of interest; what does mushroom have to do with music
Not sure I understand that logic then haha, people are going to be looking for music bots there?
fallow lodge
<@!170365414914785281> Out of interest; what does mushroom have to do with music
What i'm guessing is that they bid for busy tags to get them the most impressions
tidal gorge
so are these legit or what
blazing monolith
Ye I'm aware
tidal gorge
fun
bots
it's more the quality of the bots that is a clear red flag to me (no offense intended) but i'll be avoiding bids this week nonetheless
blazing monolith
Most people wait till last second
blazing monolith
Maybe they're not going for it this week?
ember tusk
nope
blazing monolith
Im curious who this KKBQ is π they're going ham along with me on tags
Lmao
I haven't made a move on front in hours
Oh you're kkbq! @leaden dagger
Nice to meet ya
You got me curious abt your server lmao
It's 12:51pm
...
9:50 to 12:50 is like 2 hours
And I'm not fighting man I've only done it once >.>
That's how bids work why so upitty?
ember tusk
here we go
blazing monolith
No that's 3hours
ember tusk
autocode started
blazing monolith
Dude
I havent
<.<
I wasn't even gonna take front again
Bro
Chill
I made one move 3 hours ago
My god
It's literally almost 1pm
And I've been at work
Yes
It's 1250 for me
Odd
I literally haven't been online <.<
Idk how that happened but yes you can take front I already said I wasn't gonna battle ya on it
I'll pop for second instead
ember tusk
.
ember tusk
@harsh monolith outbid me in mod tag π
ember tusk
ok
blazing monolith
Aye I didn't ping >.>
ember tusk
but language
blazing monolith
ember tusk
blazing monolith
Pleasure doing buisness-
ember tusk
ember tusk
Pleasure doing buisness-
lel
blazing monolith
Hell yea
Well I only own a server not a bot uwu
So I'll be stuck in my lil place
If fast spring will stop bugging
Every tiem
Even if it's like 2$
"Nah, we don't want ur money"
neat valley
I am missing 5 cent but it wants 1 $ from me
woeful ruin
candid lily
correct
candid lily
UTC is the timezone, not difficult to adjust by that
abstract yoke
it's the first time i checked since DST
and they keep talking about getting rid of DST
i hope they tell us when they do
blazing monolith
me and my fellow admin have tried everything in the suggestions list and then some. Fast springs simply will not take the money from my card, paypal, their card or paypal, etc and I want to exaughst every option possible because this issue is serious with how frequently it occurs, and I would like to not be banned from participating in bids when I have the money- because of the check out. Is there ANY mod that can help out, with literally ANY other payment option or at least ensuring we wont be faulted for the error of Fast Springs?
fast springs ive also contacted, with zero reply
tender hinge
me and my fellow admin have tried **everything** in the suggestions list and the...
You won't be banned, you max bid will be decreased and if you are that worried pass it onto/mention/dm a CM/CL and they'll pass it on for you.
blazing monolith
Did all that
lean whaleBOT
Aurel#0001
wide barn
Okay so I've been outbid by a deleted user for the last 4 months
Good to know
Makes sense why they never pay 
wide barn
Nah they never pay
Art and music almost always have one spot unpaid every week because of these autobids from people who just aren't here
I don't see why this is a difficult issue to resolve, after months of it occurring, but, whatever I guess
candid lily
They'll likely get kicked out when their bid limit is exhausted or removed from auctions
will bring that up though, definitely not intended that automations of deleted users still go into infinity
tulip berry
again forgot abt auctions bruv
neat valley
gaming
night sky
move here for chat ty
icy cipher
Lmao
tender hinge
its finally back π
forest seal
so say i put budget 200 usd and it doesnt get used up because no more impression
so i still need to pay 200 usd
?
icy cipher
Why can't some of these large bots let me have a ltieral slither of impressions
Lmfao
tender hinge
Why can't some of these large bots let me have a ltieral slither of impressions
because people are mean
tender hinge
i totally didnt move tags
tender hinge
@night sky is auctions gen permanent?
rain mason
eyy it's back
bold light
@tender hinge i dont think so pal
tulip berry
yo it is back 
tender hinge
especially considering how fun they are every week
night sky
tulip berry
especially considering how fun they are every week
^
bold light
especially considering how fun they are every week
I see xD
EYYY I got a spot and didnt get outbudded to oblivion :3
neat valley
this is so intense
I thought 200$ was a nice amount to split across tags
big bots and companies coming out to outbid me π©
tulip berry
rip
rain mason
damn estimated impressions fix means I couldn't grab big tags at a large discount this week
tender hinge
icy cipher
Now I'm just stirring shit
tulip berry
pretty less people bidded today
neat valley
same
neat valley
Myuu is bullying me 
icy cipher
What tag?
icy cipher
Ah
tulip berry
why you bidding from other account tho π
neat valley
I wanted atleast 75k imps but ig I'll settle for 50
neat valley
why you bidding from other account tho π
the CEO of the company will pay for the auctions, I cant give him the details of my real account
tulip berry
ah I see
sage surge
50
quartz spade
Question, whatβs the least I could pay to advertise my bot?
neat valley
depends on the tag
tulip berry
^
tulip berry
yeah it is not
icy cipher
lesgo it's finally over
tulip berry
gg
icy cipher
time to pay π
icy cipher
@tender hinge didn't pay tax so not sure what you were on about.
tender hinge
<@!116930717241311236> didn't pay tax so not sure what you were on about.
ive had to pay VAT every time
neat valley
theres tax?
icy cipher
What do you pay with?
fallow lodge
Good old UK
neat valley
icy cipher
CC? Bank?
tender hinge
What do you pay with?
Yea
icy cipher
Yeah
tender hinge
bank/cc
neat valley
damn
tender hinge
you use credits dont you
fallow lodge
I swear Iβm one of the only people who pays with money and not credits
Never in my life have I had enough votes for credits
icy cipher
I don't make my users vote so I don't get credits lmao
tender hinge
Never in my life have I had enough votes for credits
im legit waiting 6 hours just to get 15$ off
LOL
sage surge
yOu gEt cRedIts fRoM vOteS?
fallow lodge
Lol
rain mason
Never in my life have I had enough votes for credits
it's pretty easy to get up to 100, with just one person voting consistently everyday you can get close to 80
fallow lodge
Imagine if this was someone ddossing topgg because they list their bid lol
fallow lodge
it's pretty easy to get up to 100, with just one person voting consistently ever...
Well reminders are broke
neat valley
lmfao
spiral silo
Another $300+ auction bill. Yay.
neat valley
spiral silo
I hate auctions. I think I was shaking the whole time.
neat valley
how often do you guys bid in auctions?
neat valley
I hate auctions. I think I was shaking the whole time.
it gets so intense
spiral silo
Every week.
icy cipher
I just wanted some impressions. Did you really need them all π
neat valley
what's the average CTR you get?
spiral silo
The stats they show are totally misleading.
Like how can slot 1 and slot 2 gets different impression amounts when they're on top of eachother?
neat valley
I'm hoping I get atleast 2.5k new people to register on the company website, I won 55k+ impressions
icy cipher
Right lol
spiral silo
Unless I'm somehow misunderstanding the display.
neat valley
Like how can slot 1 and slot 2 gets different impression amounts when they're on...
exactly
spiral silo
I just pick which ever is the lowest. The difference in clicks should be marginal.
And I bid like I would for the highest.
neat valley
I had to switch between 7 tags just because i got outbid
spiral silo
And I bid like I would for the highest.
That way I still get all the impressions even if it goes over the cap.
fallow lodge
Lmao media tag is bidding still
quaint edge
They just keep going, lol
neat valley
at this point I start bid past 1hr after its supposed to end lol
tulip berry
how often do you guys bid in auctions?
Like every 3 weeks ig
spiral silo
I just wish my bots monetization model was more mature. I'd bid a lot more in that case.
neat valley
the company I work for has over $1.1M in funds and are looking to scale
bold light
I swear Iβm one of the only people who pays with money and not credits
I bought credits (added founds) lmao
spiral silo
the company I work for has over $1.1M in funds and are looking to scale
Does this company run a Discord bot?
spiral silo
Ah
merry flower
that was a shameless display in auctions
spiral silo
Of course.
neat valley
π³
merry flower
wtf is this bidding war that's continuing over the media tag
verbal girder
Hey everyone, really appreciate the feedback on auctions and your patience as we work on fixing issues and bugs -- we'll share a bit more in the Friday roadmap event but fixing and stabilizing auctions is a high priority for us. Changes will require a lot of technical foundation work. One of the first steps is that we'll be conducting a significant amount of user research. Please fill out this form "Top.gg Auctions (Advertising) Community Feedback Survey" so you can share your feedback is us in detail: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1SbKMpJPu8Syzujk_S1rfGMFTT7CSvegIp13oapcS-uo/edit
You can always share feedback here as well https://feedback.top.gg/
Auctions needs a full overhaul and we want to make sure that it's stable, easy to use, and a good experience for everyone and incorporate best practices from best-in-class advertising platforms. We have a long way to go and appreciate you being part of our journey to get here.
tulip berry
wtf is this bidding war that's continuing over the media tag
lmao-
neat valley
would provide you with feedback
merry flower
$9.50 for 1k impressions, i can't even
spiral silo
I can't even auction with my bot. I have to make a product for it because for some reason it doesn't show up. Been trying to get that fixed for a few weeks now.
merry flower
just hit $10
neat valley
although just one concern, people who arent getting over 2k impressions shouldnt be allowed to bid, they just clutter the space and I dont think they know how to bid properly either
night sky
I can't even auction with my bot. I have to make a product for it because for so...
Are you the owner of the bot?
(Like actually the Top.gg bot page owner)
spiral silo
Are you the owner of the bot?
The bots owned by an organization. Heather said it should be showing up.
night sky
The bots owned by an organization. Heather said it should be showing up.
Ah I see, we have this in one of the things we want to fix asap
spiral silo
Ah I see, we have this in one of the things we want to fix asap
Well that's good. Was hoping this week would be the the one but I guess I'll wait another week.
Thanks for reaching out though. Lots of love β€οΈ
quartz radish
tbh, in this bid i'm just using the rest of credits that would expire otherwise, what im actually wondering is why the others keep up with it, with actual budgets
zealous fjord
merry flower
i refuse to pay more than $2 cpm for anything that isn't front page top
neat valley
which tag even is that
quartz radish
well, the site lagged, and this is the last tag that was stll bidding
merry flower
finally ended at $27 wtf
idk how they ever expect to earn even 10% of that back from patreon or whatever model they're using
brittle carbon
im legit waiting 6 hours just to get 15$ off
Same. I have an alarm set for tomorrow morning so I can get $18 extra off 
I already added my credits for December.
night sky
Same. I have an alarm set for tomorrow morning so I can get $18 extra off <:dog_...
lmaoo
lone geode
i refuse to pay more than $2 cpm for anything that isn't front page top
It all depends what your ctr is though, doubt its that great on front page.
merry flower
It all depends what your ctr is though, doubt its that great on front page.
it's gotta be a lot better for credibility and whatnot, i imagine the exposure is more lasting too. Like being on the front page of google, if you had zero click through it would still have much greater effect than being on search results. It's kinda like that but to a much lesser extent, although it's hard to measure how much effect it would have.
lone geode
Interesting, thats very true. Didnt think about it like that π π
candid drum
man now it's so expensive to get some impressions on the old times you could win an auction without much effort
floral forge
Hey
late egret
Π³
river gulch
new Channel?
Old channel unlocked
tardy glade
brittle carbon
-credits
lean whaleBOT
vagrant knoll
-cpm
fallow lodge
staff only commands
brittle carbon
-cpm
lean whaleBOT
steep thicket
When is the payment deadline for bids won last week Monday?
Cause I have cashed in, and the credit is still laying around
icy cipher
I feel this image should use consistent numbers and smaller numbers to help some people understand this better.
fallow lodge
I feel this image should use consistent numbers and smaller numbers to help some...
thats the example i use
icy cipher
Yeah not bad. Maybe basic math like (price per 1000 views) / budget * 1000 = impressions* and just describe words. 
- Calculated impressions or max impressions for the tag.
broken echo
fallow lodge
?
fallow lodge
neat valley
I bid for three different tags, won all three. My server has showed up on none
icy cipher
Won meaning, you were the top bidder out of them all?
icy cipher
Looks like there's no ads on the site currently. I imagine it's just going to take a little bit for them to start appearing.
fallow lodge
yeah
rigid knoll
seven days later
night sky
rain mason
sounds about right
icy cipher
Curious.
tribal wagon
im such an idiot
holy
i forgot that my bot isnt verified
and im at like 80 servers so who knows the lucky 20 servers that get to invite it
lmao
ill probably keep the ad running though
junior moon
and im at like 80 servers so who knows the lucky 20 servers that get to invite i...
how many impressions do you bought?
if it is arround 2.000 I think you will be fine
stray bronze
can someone please explain me how to use auctions?
harsh monolith
oops wrong channel
tulip berry
can someone please explain me how to use auctions?
lavish totem
If I bid on a bot tag and someone bids more, I will lose my money or they will get refunded?
rigid knoll
would recommend reading the above page
maiden vault
tribal wagon
how many impressions do you bought?
It was around 3k I believe
steel grail
Sorry but why are non-D&D related servers taking promotion spots
Dnd World is a D&D server
but Disgalaxy isn't
oak whale
Anyone can bid on any tag, we don't moderate relation to the tag
steel grail
mkay
junior moon
Suggestion: Create a process to let bidders know/estimate (please create estimate system too if this update possible) when their ad will be shown
@night sky sorry for ping but you can consider my suggestion in the near future?
This update (if possible) will be convenient for bidders for sure
candid lily
https://feedback.top.gg would be a great place to leave your suggestion in
junior moon
https://feedback.top.gg would be a great place to leave your suggestion in
done bro 
lyric hatchBOT
π | Estrella leveled up!
| Extra rewards were added for missing levels
candid lily
@brittle carbon fix perms here in return 
shell pivot
No more owo
merry flower
how accurate are the clicks counts?
been stuck at 20 clicks since about 5k impressions
merry flower
okay so here are the results from $1.50 CPM on the new front page for those who are interested:
- spent $13.50 and received 9k impressions and 20 clicks.
- My average server add over the past 30 days is 5.63 per day.
- My server add today with the ad push is 8.
- This makes 2.37 server adds costing a total of $13.50.
- Based on about 10 bots patreon pages, the average earn per server is 2c per month.
- It would take over 6 years to recoop the $13.50 spent.
From all of this i would say the appropriate spend on new front page is a max of 25c CPM if you want long term returns.
lone geode
I'm getting around 10-12% with my bot, maybe try a different tag that relates to your bot?
dreamy summit
Also keep in mind there are a few instances where clicks don't get recorded properly because of an issue that I'm working on. It doesn't account for a big % but that is also a factor
mortal crag
Also keep in mind there are a few instances where clicks don't get recorded prop...
Glad to hear 
dreamy summit
also could anyone with multiple past auctions look at their analyze page and tell me if it sorts correctly now? π
mortal crag
also could anyone with multiple past auctions look at their analyze page and tel...
In Time?
@dreamy summit appears to be bugged 
dreamy summit
dreamy summit
yeah that's a separate thing. I'll take a look in a sec
merry flower
wondering if the click rate is bugged
dreamy summit
views should be fairly accurate but clicks do get stuck sometimes
junior moon
views should be fairly accurate but clicks do get stuck sometimes
I don't think so, last time 10k impressions give me 30+ servers
now 30k impressions give me under 10
merry flower
10k gave me 2-3
dreamy summit
well I haven't seen any errors regarding impressions, only clicks and we make no promises in terms of how well your ads will do
junior moon
I never receive under 3%
merry flower
3% seems high no?
dreamy summit
just going based off of what I'm seeing rn
junior moon
just going based off of what I'm seeing rn
any tag is give me 4 -> 10%
but this tag is even not reach 0.2%
merry flower
interesting
dreamy summit
10% CTR seems crazy
merry flower
yea 10% seems wild
junior moon
10% CTR seems crazy
long time ago
junior moon
wondering if the click rate is bugged
at least you reach 0.22% :))
dreamy summit
also your impressions should be way higher this week because we're getting around adblockers for impressions now 
junior moon
I think 5 -> 7% is oke
junior moon
also your impressions should be way higher this week because we're getting aroun...
hmm you mean
merry flower
5-7 seems kinda high to me id be expecting 1-2
rain mason
5-7 is quite high imo, only able to get that on small tags
junior moon
5-7 is quite high imo, only able to get that on small tags
well this is new system
I lost my data
So maybe 4 -> 5% is oke more than 5% is god and under 4% is bad
this week is strange
I will comeback after my ads complete
dreamy summit
yeah that ctr is most likely wrong. Still looking into the clicks thing I'm not entirely sure how that's happening
junior moon
yeah that ctr is most likely wrong. Still looking into the clicks thing I'm not ...
14 servers (5clones) after 35k views
last week 19 servers after 9.5k views
so I think something wrong here
If the view is nearly true, it is very weird
dreamy summit
the performance of your ads will fluctuate, there's nothing I can do about that. I can make sure that it's not caused by any bugs though
junior moon
the performance of your ads will fluctuate, there's nothing I can do about that....
oke I know
I will comeback to give result after my ads complete
I hope my data and my review will help top.gg
dreamy summit
we're looking to completely change how auctions works so feedback about your expectations for ads is super appreciated
abstract yoke
I'd like to be able to make a live bid and adjust it at any time instead of just one day of the week.
tender hinge
I'd like to be able to make a live bid and adjust it at any time instead of just...
this tbh
tulip sandal
how is it even possible that the second slot for trending new has like 2.5x the impressions of the first slot
theres no way this is even close to accurate
tribal drift
And twice the clicks.
rigid knoll
theres no way this is even close to accurate
They use randint(5e6, 2e7)
neon halo
how is it even possible that the second slot for trending new has like 2.5x the ...
I'm pretty sure that those stats are based on how the last products did in those ad slots
could be that the bot in slot 2 was far more appealing than slot 1 in the last completed ad run
junior moon
how is it even possible that the second slot for trending new has like 2.5x the ...
π
junior moon
how is it even possible that the second slot for trending new has like 2.5x the ...
3.03k clicks also double 1.50k
even with that rate my bot should have 0.2 CTR instead of 0.11% like yesterday
dreamy summit
trending new had to have its impressions manually adjusted based on historical data, give it a couple more weeks and they should settle into roughly the same impressions
although it's been a while since that happened so I would've expected them to be more or less equal by now
mortal crag
@dreamy summit when is this going to be fixed 
dreamy summit
not on a sunday
mortal crag
not on a sunday <a:aPES_CryLeave:681576192654311500>
Obviously 
mortal crag
@dreamy summit are you guys making it so we cannot appear on slot 1 and 2 of any options? Coz it affects CTR or clicks if you're on both at the same time
brittle carbon
<@!140862798832861184> are you guys making it so we cannot appear on slot 1 and ...
If what you mean is "is it possible to appear on slot 1 and 2 for the same tag at the same time?" yes it is possible right now but it's something we'll be addressing when redesigning the auctions system.
Also please refrain from pinging team members on a Sunday
mortal crag
If what you mean is "is it possible to appear on slot 1 and 2 for the same tag a...
Its just a ping mate, they can reply when they want.
But thank you for the response, glad its been flagged by the team.
brittle carbon
You don't need to ping at all. The team regularly check this channel so I'd suggest just asking your questions without pinging on a Sunday for example, just to respect their time off! 
You'll still get an answer
mortal crag
I will, just sorta losing money is all because of it.
mortal crag
You don't need to ping at all. The team regularly check this channel so I'd sugg...
If they're day off is day, what are you doing 
brittle carbon
I'm not a team member. I'm volunteer staff.
icy cipher
Forgive me if this is known but I noticed a week ago that ad slots use old/cached data and I've almost always seen Mushroom this whole time unless I do a hard refresh and that's true for other tags that they didn't even win/bid on.
dreamy summit
<@!140862798832861184> are you guys making it so we cannot appear on slot 1 and ...
That sounds like it would be way too difficult to implement with how auctions works. I would recommend just not bidding for 2 slots at the same time :(
mortal crag
That sounds like it would be way too difficult to implement with how auctions wo...
Okay :(
dreamy summit
with the new auctions advertising model I would like something like this to not even be possible in the first place
ideally, you purchase ads on a category and the spots get figured out / shuffled around automatically. No more headache thinking about how much CTR you get from which spot
fallow lodge
Pls add a feature to select a default product
The amount of times Iβve bidded on the wrong bot is unbelievable
rain mason
damn bids are back up to high prices, getting more difficult to acquire tags π
neat valley
Hi
mortal crag
damn bids are back up to high prices, getting more difficult to acquire tags π
because people don't know the lower the better, should always stay as low as possible π
fallow lodge
because people don't know the lower the better, should always stay as low as pos...
A feature they should add is a confirmation screen if you are bidding a significantly higher CPM, and show a message saying βyouβre bidding a high cpm and you may want to consider a lower bidβ etc
mortal crag
A feature they should add is a confirmation screen if you are bidding a signific...
small quality of life improvements matter, you should suggest this on their page. I donβt have the link
fallow lodge
Iβll suggest that now
zealous stone
Hi guys, what does what does badlimitrange mean
wild briar
Hi guys, what does what does badlimitrange mean
What is the bid amount you are trying?
wild briar
Mind sending a screenshot that includes this section with the bid amount you tried?
zealous stone
gtg now ill do that soon
zealous stone
Mind sending a screenshot that includes this section with the bid amount you tri...
any clue to whats going on?
icy cipher
What's even the point.
dense panther
anyone here to guide me
fleet ginkgo
1
dense panther
if i got IMPRESSIONS on my server
when do i have to pay
ping me when anyone answer
bitter garnet
What's even the point.
Why did someone do this?
amber meteor
What's even the point.
that's a deal and a half
spiral silo
not on a sunday <a:aPES_CryLeave:681576192654311500>
This is the best answer of all time.
patent kestrel
tulip berry
L
tulip blaze
Guis
amber meteor
graphical user interface s
amber meteor
fastspring is actually a joke transaction service why do they decline 70% of transactions π
fleet ginkgo
1
willow cave
fastspring is actually a joke transaction service why do they decline 70% of tra...
and charge tax
amber meteor
they don't deserve the commission stop giving them it topgg 
neat valley
mee6 is on all slots front page slot 1,slot2 and frontpage new slot 3 ,thats a impression waste xD
serene harness
mee6 is on all slots front page slot 1,slot2 and frontpage new slot 3 ,thats a ...
i mean, it'll probably get them a little bit bigger
you probably have people who are very new to discord and look for bots like mee6
if they see it everywhere, they're bound to try it
mortal crag
they don't deserve the commission stop giving them it topgg <:topggPensive:84868...
Yeah 40 dollars tax is fkn retarded
fallow lodge
Tax is required by the government, not Fastspring or Top.gg
so its out of their control
mortal crag
so its out of their control
Don't think so, a Fastspring commission is added on top π
mortal crag
For people like me who pay in a different currency, we pay the Conversion fee + fastspring tax (in USD) + paypal fees = total
joke
fallow lodge
thats VAT in the UK for you
mortal crag
https://uwu.solutions/LT1Ylcvp doesn't say for me
Thats because its part of it. Its part of the total
mortal crag
No we're still paying the tax
fallow lodge
Yeah - government set tax
mortal crag
Its added onto the total before you go into your payment method
fallow lodge
Switzerland has 7.7% tax, i just switched to switzerland and thats the tax
mortal crag
Yeah - government set tax
along with the fastspring commission π
fallow lodge
Thats what Top.gg pay tho
not us
you just pay currency conversion rates set by your card company/bank
and paypal fees are set by paypal and out of anyones control
fallow lodge
what country?
mortal crag
if its 100 its 10. + paypal fees and conversions of all tax/fees
mortal crag
if that doesn't get solved, over time a small amount will turn into a larger amount
fallow lodge
^
mortal crag
everything ads up
tender hinge
No.... Estrella you're misunderstanding
mortal crag
I know its government set
fallow lodge
Just checked - its $1.10 for a $1 topup, which includes 10%. When paying via Paypal you pay the same rate, which again is Government set tax
Thats AUD
tender hinge
we dont pay any extra fee for fastpring commision
mortal crag
Okay, although thats not my point (being partially incorrect), it still partially holds since Fast spring have issues anyway
tender hinge
Everyone has issues with it
tender hinge
and it's already been said they're looking into Stripe
tender hinge
so constantly going on about it isnt going to help
they know its an issue
they're looking to fix it
mortal crag
I'm not, I am just discussing about the taxes and massive added fees ontop of other fees.
fallow lodge
Well we've suggested new payment processors, now its just a matter of waiting for them to implement it, and it may take days or weeks or months to impliment as its an entirely different system and they need to make sure it fits into their current setup before making it public
mortal crag
Seems weird how its so much
mortal crag
Well we've suggested new payment processors, now its just a matter of waiting fo...
yeah implementing it ain't easy, especially at this scale
fallow lodge
Seems weird how its so much
again, its fastspring. they have the worlds most sensitive antifraud
mortal crag
again, its fastspring. they have the worlds most sensitive antifraud
Idek what triggers it
mortal crag
mortal crag
its not made public
it'd be a disaster both ways
interesting talk though, im going to bed. have a good day/evening @fallow lodge
fallow lodge
π
tender hinge
I'm not, I am just discussing about the taxes and massive added fees ontop of ot...
Massive taxes
mortal crag
and it's already been said they're looking into Stripe
Btw if they are, #76 on feedback.top.gg should be marked as planned/ in progress 
Just so others are at comfort
tender hinge
arent top.gg's fault
blame your country
the tax % is set by the country you live in
mortal crag
Massive taxes
But the taxes are in USD 
thats what my concern was that I couldn't grasp
fallow lodge
they're not tho
mortal crag
My knowledge in taxes isn't that far to understand
tender hinge
they aren't
fallow lodge
they are set based on where you live
tender hinge
its literally just a % of the end value
fallow lodge
i switched to switzerland, 7.7%
i switched to uk, 20%
mortal crag
its literally just a % of the end value
Set by my country ?
fallow lodge
just be lucky that you don't live in the uk and have to pay double the tax like we do
mortal crag
in USD
tender hinge
mortal crag
It says it right there, am I paying incorrectly
fallow lodge
Set by my country ?
you pay tax on literally everything, you just don't see it as prices you see in shops etc include tax
mortal crag
you pay tax on literally everything, you just don't see it as prices you see in ...
No I know that, but if its set by my government then how come its in usd
mortal crag
the total is in USD, and they tax based on your country
oh so its adjusted?
tender hinge
It's converted by your bank when you pay
fallow lodge
mortal crag
Should go to like, law school or something to learn this 
fallow lodge
its just common sense 
mortal crag
But anyway, to conclude, if a change is upcoming, #76 should be marked planned
tender hinge
bro it's not that hard to understand
For example
- if you have
100cin outstanding payments - Your tax rate is 10%
- You'll pay
110c (10c tax)
fallow lodge
But anyway, to conclude, if a change is upcoming, #76 should be marked planned <...
They'll mark as planned when they're ready
tender hinge
^ this
mortal crag
bro it's not that hard to understand
For example
- if you have `100c` in outsta...
% based on my country but the tax is in usd
tender hinge
they have a million and one other things to do first
mortal crag
They'll mark as planned when they're ready
Okay
fallow lodge
like fixing auctions in general
mortal crag
they have a million and one other things to do first
That 1 is the fast spring
tender hinge
% based on my country but the tax is in usd
The currency, is in USD, it literally means fuck all, it's all converted by your bank at the end of the day (yes technically you'll end up paying more cause AUD is fucked)
mortal crag
The currency, is in USD, it literally means fuck all, it's all converted by your...
you bet aud is fucked 
fallow lodge
before fixing HOW you pay, they need to fix the SYSTEM which tends to need tweaking every week. I'd rather them patch the main issues first before so we can actually BID before they fix fastspring, which doesn't affect everyone
mortal crag
before fixing HOW you pay, they need to fix the SYSTEM which tends to need tweak...
I agree ig
tender hinge
bro, auctions has broken nearly every week so far causing over-charges and stuff. let em fix that first lol
tender hinge
^
mortal crag
^
fallow lodge
also analytics because i've just checked and they;re fucked for me
mortal crag
also analytics because i've just checked and they;re fucked for me
you mean clicks? because my clicks never seem correct.
they are always stupid low
fallow lodge
might just be because no one clicks on your ads?
fallow lodge
oh ok
mortal crag
okay
mortal crag
Yeah I dont have that tho
Its shows impressions and clicks only for current campaigns
they'll get it,
fallow lodge
i have nothing logged for me
tender hinge
https://uwu.solutions/wUpMl27x
Campaign history is known to be bugged rn
it's on the to-fix list
fallow lodge
yep
thats what i was referring ot
to
fix things like that first before fixing payment procesors
neat valley
night sky
Hey everyone, thanks for the recent feedback on FastSpring and auctions. We'll be doing a research event in around mid or late this month regarding auctions research towards any active paying users of auctions (the threshold for this is currently TBA). This will act as a focus group and will be able to provide feedback around different ideas and exploration, but even if you are not in this focus group or are unable to make it to the research event, your opinions are still valid: please reach out to us by providing your feedback in the form which can be found within the pinned messages in this channel.
Your feedback is greatly appreciated - I can tell you that we're definitely looking to swapping payment providers in the future, but I don't want to overpromise.
tender hinge
TIL Stripe doesn't allow Auction sites
so that explains why the swap is easier said than done
Just read their policy
most payment processors are the same
fallow lodge
TIL Stripe doesn't allow Auction sites
Auctions could mean auctioning items, where there is a higher risk
night sky
it means auctions sites
Could you point me to this? Couldn't find it under restricted business. Only saw penny auctions and gambling auctions
tender hinge
Looks like it's not there anymore, I was reading an old doc, from 2021, looks like it's only for gambling now ig
night sky
candid lily
TIL Stripe doesn't allow Auction sites
using stripe alone would also kill the majority of payment methods
as stripe literally only supports creditcards and not stuff like paypal iirc
tender hinge
idk if allows auctions stuff
but paypal isnt really that hard to integrate into either
both stripes and paypals api are stupidly simple to use
considering top.gg has an entire dev team im sure someone can figure it out
fallow lodge
but paypal isnt really that hard to integrate into either
you can also use chargebee which integrates the two
candid lily
Definitely not a weeb payment gateway osu uses
dreamy summit
it's about the taxes, otherwise this would've been a solved issue a long time ago
neat valley
they're looking to fix it
||clear fastspring cache||
candid lily
inb4 that actually solves the payment issue
candid lily
Top.gg be working on taxes for the next 3 years then
And after that, maintaining them for the rest of their lives
so likely better to have a 3rd party handle these
candid lily
Oh shit that's true
amber meteor
its only a problem when you tell them
magic sparrow
we have a decent number of people who use the site in places blocked by paypal as well
but it'd be neat to have to have something as simple as it as an option
calm holly
is the auctions system broken, how can a same bot claim same spot twice
brittle carbon
This is something we're aware of and want to try and mitigate in our redesign of the auctions system.
mortal crag
is the auctions system broken, how can a same bot claim same spot twice
freeloader
amber meteor
mee6 needs to be stopped π
dreamy summit
it's not a bug, just an inefficient way to advertise as a side effect of having a concept of independent spots
ideally no more spots in the new advertising system but we're still working on that
tulip sandal
as long as the redesign stops way larger bots from sniping all of the spots at the last second so smaller bots end up getting nothing, sounds like something to look forward to
night sky
I can't promise that it fixes something that is so difficult to fix but CPM was something we shipped that helped a lot with that - being able to adjust your cpm to be comparable even if you couldn't adjust your budget
fallow lodge
@violet sand
violet sand
ty
rigid knoll
But the crypto
serene harness
fallow lodge
serene harness
lets go!
dreamy summit
we have more notification updates + fixes planned for next week from the feedback we got in #auctions-support 
fallow lodge
@dreamy summit how are discord notifications delivered?
dreamy summit
DMs
fallow lodge
Which bot?
dreamy summit
luca
tulip berry
so the bot will DM when we win a tag?
neon halo
woooo campaign history works 
mortal crag
Whats a new members bid limit?
dreamy sphinx
I love that random bots bid in categories where they will not get any new servers from, for example a music Bot in a gaming category, like if someone searches for a valorant bot he will probably not invite the promoted music bot π
cerulean holly
I agree some categories match but most dont @dreamy sphinx
violet wave
How does wallet work? And how do you get more credit by upvotes?
quartz wave
Does ads display more to people that same country as bot's owner country ? Like, it display more to my country than USA.
oak whale
How does wallet work? And how do you get more credit by upvotes?
-credits
lean whaleBOT
@violet wave
oak whale
Does ads display more to people that same country as bot's owner country ? Like,...
i dont believe there is anything like this. it just displays on the tag/page to anyone who visits
spare dagger
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lucid compass
candid lily
-m @spare dagger spam | 3w
lean whaleBOT
Poonam#6654 was successfully muted
amber meteor
Hi friends
hello friend
brisk prairie
When I voted, a player or something came to me. If my e-mail address in DC is positive, will this problem be fixed?
candid lily
When I voted, a player or something came to me. If my e-mail address in DC is po...
? not sure what that question is about
brisk prairie
? not sure what that question is about
anyway thanks
vagrant knoll
? not sure what that question is about
hey if someone is in my team can he pay for the auction bid?
candid lily
Not sure if thats functional right now
plush heath
A
turbid locust
#rank
icy cipher
Did auctions die? It stopped updating and now it doesn't fetch my bots.
Yeah I can't get bots to load on any browser, or on desktop/mobile.
Who's the crazy pushing updates π
fallow lodge
Did auctions die? It stopped updating and now it doesn't fetch my bots.
same issue
was about to bid 
@night sky will this be fixed soon?
icy cipher
Doubt it lol.
icy cipher
same issue
#auctions-support message
fallow lodge
ah
yeah they've just loaded
but no pfps or anything for me
still hope they impliment https://feedback.top.gg/75
icy cipher
Also Auctions pages are like not updating when others bid against me so it's making it hard to know when outbidded. So I'm watching #bids
fallow lodge
what are the chances the person bidding $100.00 @ $100 doesn't pay
icy cipher
bruh lol
last vault
someone is betting for 100 impressions π
tulip berry
lmao
spring scarab
everyone: topgg please fix the auctions this is barely functional
topgg: DID SOMEONE SAY DAO????
last vault
people who don't get betting lol
fallow lodge
everyone: topgg please fix the auctions this is barely functional
topgg: DID SOM...
exactly
fallow lodge
people who don't get betting lol
higher budget, shit cpm
last vault
people who don't get betting lol
the top guy paying $600 for 8k impressions, bottom guy paying $50 for almost 10k impressions
fallow lodge
thats why i suggested https://feedback.top.gg/75
icy cipher
the top guy paying $600 for 8k impressions, bottom guy paying $50 for almost 10k...
Yeah but sometimes it doesn't even get to your bot lmao.
last vault
yea sure, but why overpay this much
icy cipher
That is something only they can answer lmao.
last vault
icy cipher
I would never do that. But.
icy cipher
God whoever owns mushroom fuck you lmao
Literally every tag bro I'm just trying to get a single impression.
mystic fulcrum
people who wait till the last second to bid π€©
icy cipher
LITERALLY EVERY TAG I bid on I swear to GOD bro lol
tulip berry
IKR
icy cipher
How can you just spend 1k on every tag I want that kind of income lmao
harsh monolith
he has a rich dad
icy cipher
Must
tulip berry
icy cipher
Btw Quint loves makis site.
icy cipher
She's very cute I know.
harsh monolith
the images somehow disappeared after it loaded https://uwu.rip/TgrF.png
icy cipher
Probably because I was lazy with that site and make it load from an S3 bucket instead of having it as a local asset that can be cached.
I should update that.
harsh monolith
icy cipher
What a good baby
icy cipher
I shall.
mystic fulcrum
karuta coming in with the last minute bid yet again 
serene harness
karuta coming in with the last minute bid yet again <:prayge:910026113428906009>
Lmao whatβs karuta
Man, if it werenβt for last minute bidders I wouldβve won
mystic fulcrum
gotta love em π
neat valley
@rancid root it appears every person in this channel has beef with you 
serene harness
Think Iβm going to hop out of auctions until these pesky bugs get fixed
But hey! Atleast we have DAOs
serene harness
<@!170365414914785281> it appears every person in this channel has beef with you...
Heβs one of the late bidder, of course there is beef
serene harness
Half joking π₯²
fallow lodge
a feature that doesn't even work fully
and is basically a server list but rebranded
celest skiff
I see
icy cipher
I could not imagine spending this much on auctions.
candid drum
me checking if i won on at least one tag
sees mushroom
ctrl+W
i wonder if they gonna pay or it's just for fun
icy cipher
i wonder if they gonna pay or it's just for fun
Well if you see above.. 21.9k. Imagine if they don't pay lol.
tender hinge
I could not imagine spending this much on auctions.
They don't, you have to remember they're only paying estimated
Meaning that's their limit
Not their actually amount payable rn
icy cipher
I totaled all the tags they won on. So sure they'll pay it.
Probably get credited back most times.
icy cipher
Ah.
tender hinge
If that hits your limit then you do
You'd need to do CPM * the estimated thousand Impressions to know what they were charged today
icy cipher
time to do math
tender hinge
LITERALLY EVERY TAG I bid on I swear to GOD bro lol
For example here 14.14*2.8
tender hinge
Jesus Christ that's a lot of money
icy cipher
yessir
night sky
icy cipher
She really uwu'd.
oak whale
tawdry swift
n start
night sky
She really uwu'd.
icy cipher
<:iara_uwu:863994191499100201>
slow spoke
analog timber
mystic fulcrum
sigh mine are always like that as well.. can't wait for the day top.gg has actual working analytics 
cyan oyster
π¦¦
serene harness
make sure you turn on automatic payments
that sometimes happens when its not on
idk why
but just turn it pon
*on
normal flame
ty, I believe I have them on but I'll double chdck
soft hawk
@brazen prairie
brazen prairie
why though
storm oxide
I thougt I have the 15 Vote Credits but then i realized I will get them at the end of the month. @night sky Could you remove my bid?
serene harness
ok im having a really hard time understanding the guy who is bidding for lunabot
hes getting the same amount of impressions with me there
but then he is still trying to outbid me
for some raeson
because whenever he does it, i get knocked out
like
austere sky
wait what happened t o autctions role
fallow lodge
wait what happened t o autctions role
π¨
sweet frost
Hyiii
sweet frost
@fallow lodge hy
glacial stirrup
but then he is still trying to outbid me
Dont look at the servers
He is paying like 19 dollors on almost all tags
main hatch
@dull coral
fallow lodge
<@471409054594498561> hy
??
sweet frost
@fallow lodge hello π
fallow lodge
What????
fallow lodge
<@471409054594498561> hello π
Why do you keep pinging me??
sweet frost
Sry for ping
serene harness
Dont look at the servers
what?
zealous stone
what is going to happen to the traphouse server when they cannot pay up
oak whale
If bids are not paid for, their spending limit/amount they can bid will be lowered so that they cannot bid that much in the future 
zealous stone
If bids are not paid for, their spending limit/amount they can bid will be lower...
But does that mean i will be able to get their impressions
if im next up on the list
oak whale
If users don't pay for a bid, the impressions go to the next highest yes! :)
zealous stone
awesome! thanks!
spring scarab
im a little behind today. what auctions-breaking bug do we have this week?
oak whale
hopefully none 
vapid bronze
zealous stone
Are you aware of the guy bidding 1500$ on all categories? π
fallow lodge
what are the chanced they don't pay
neat valley
Are you aware of the guy bidding 1500$ on all categories? π
I asked him why he bought the same tag 2 times for 1.5k$ lmao
ripe bay
bruh some of these guys go too much fucking money
zealous stone
they won't pay
neat valley
and he was like "Yeh I buy also everything irl 2 times"
icy cipher
Did you guys see me calculate Mushroom paying 19k last week
ripe bay
Is that a real thing?? Bidding high n then not paying π
ripe bay
Bruh fuck Mushroom guy
neat valley
Did you guys see me calculate Mushroom paying 19k last week
lmao
zealous stone
to see if you still ended up on the list
because if they didnt pay up the follow up will get the impressions
neat valley
he didnt pay tho? lmao
icy cipher
I'm sure they did.
neat valley
did he left this server?
icy cipher
Yeah I saw them in the ad slots so I assume they did.
neat valley
some month ago they showed who didnt pay
zealous stone
atleast in the server catogory im sure this guy won't pay
tender hinge
they removed it cause it was inaccurate
neat valley
Yeah I saw them in the ad slots so I assume they did.
did he also buy slot 1 and 2 for the same tag? lmao
mint flax
atleast in the server catogory im sure this guy won't pay
i am so pissed that they don't do anything against those people
neat valley
long time ago
icy cipher
Not Mushroom.
oak whale
him not paying doesnt prevent other people from getting impressions
if someone doesn't pay for impressions, they just go to the next person
icy cipher
^
oak whale
and users who consistently do not pay do get their limits lowered so they cannot spam bids like that in the future
ripe bay
whats the longest bidding wars could go π
zealous stone
guys im bad at math, if top server gets removed will i still be able to get impressions
icy cipher
I've seen it go for like 1.5 hours.
zealous stone
guys im bad at math, if top server gets removed will i still be able to get impr...
or will all go to the second one
neat valley
I've seen it go for like 1.5 hours.
I think it was mee6 and rythm?
zealous stone
guys im bad at math, if top server gets removed will i still be able to get impr...
btw my server is the 3rd one
ripe bay
bruh why you guys allow mfin NFT shillers in auction 
oak whale
We allow anyone to participate in auctions auctions is open for all
ripe bay
yeah thats why it fucking sucks on that front
πΏ
Like I understand the open for all thingy but NFT guys 
oak whale
If you wish to leave feedback on auctions you are free to do so at https://feedback.top.gg but we ask that you make it constructive! If you think you have ideas on how to make auctions better then please share them with us 
neat valley
I miss veld he did all this way better somehow
ripe bay
If you wish to leave feedback on auctions you are free to do so at https://feedb...
Damn my bad Xiuh 
okay finally jesus
auction ended
fallow lodge
@mortal crag https://feedback.top.gg/76 is planned now
zealous stone
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/556912126338269199/945398284267180042/chrome_tLpX7jxJLr.png
If the highest bidder will not be able to pay, will some of the impressions also go to my server (cs:go central) or will they all go to the 2nd server
icy cipher
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/556912126338269199/945398284267180042/chr...
Do some math. They're paying 6.10 for every 1k impressions with their 15 dollar budget.
How many impressions do you think they'll get?
icy cipher
Right just about.
zealous stone
so what happens to the other 27k impressions π