Yeah with ads
#auctions-general
brittle carbon
Depends how many ads I have running 
austere pagoda
Except the captcha ofc
austere pagoda
Depends how many ads I have running <:mayaLaugh:1091251004101644308>
Umm top voted?
pliant flame
Gg
brittle carbon
Umm top voted?
Last week I was net-gaining about 250 to 350 per day overall but that includes organic Top.gg and Discord invites.
austere pagoda
Last week I was net-gaining about 250 to 350 per day overall but that includes o...
Ohh wow that's nice! My bot grew from 100 to almost 400 just in 2 weeks
So am happy for what am spending fr
austere pagoda
Lol yeah
jolly blaze
There isnt really a good slot for my bot so I just bid on moderation. I end up getting around 4% cpm but also 3-4 servers for 3k impressions lol
I tried on homepage slots too but I had a similar experience
earnest slate
Known issue, someone is working on it already
serene pine
austere pagoda
we lost 400 votes
They are resetting it . . . I also lost around 92 π₯²
jade mural
i got verified within 3 hours
slow , mine was in 31 minutes
hard escarp
lol thats good
hard escarp
Btw nice bot
thanks, im hoping ads will actually pay off this time as opposed to beholder that i cant make grow at all
i think with beholder people just see the term "AI" and think "oh god its gotta be another chatgpt clone" when it isnt
but with seven spells, everyone loves a discord RPG bot
just hope the site stays up this time lol
top.gg site i mean
austere pagoda
i think with beholder people just see the term "AI" and think "oh god its gotta ...
Yeah mine is ai too but better . . . Ofc not chatgpt lmao
Creating characters like kpop idols, anime characters, etc.
Thanks to topgg fr for helping me reach the servers it is at rn
hard escarp
I got many more joins to my bot by putting an ad into triviabots page for it
austere pagoda
I got many more joins to my bot by putting an ad into triviabots page for it
Yeah lol u can use trivia to grow this one
hard escarp
I still think it's weird that discord consider 75 servers as a big bot
austere pagoda
I still think it's weird that discord consider 75 servers as a big bot
True it's has came to a level where it should increase it
My new bot is in 450+ servers but still not feeling satisfied lol
I just know it will reach 100k someday
It has potential but i have budget issues to promote it a lot
Currently all ads have 10%+ ctr except the top voted
Trying to find some youtuber to do proper promo
hard escarp
top.gg ads don't do what they used to though
when I ran my first ads on triviabot I had about 300 servers, after one week of ads I was nearing 5000
for about $70 of ads
that just doesn't happen any more with CPM, the only ones to benefit are top.gg
I went all the way to like 75000 just on top.gg ads
the rest through discord putting me on front page of the application directory and in townhall
austere pagoda
top.gg ads don't do what they used to though
Bro fr at one time i almost got 200 joins and now only like 40 π₯²π₯²
austere pagoda
when I ran my first ads on triviabot I had about 300 servers, after one week of ...
Wow bro π₯Ή lol and look at me . . . I am literally paying for slots whole week
Ohh wow thats good
But trivia is doing amazing fr
I hope i am able to reach there with gemini
hard escarp
I'm likely to get more growth on ssod though it's a bot with wider appeal, a moderation bot like beholder only appeals to people who are setting up
austere pagoda
It deserves it bcs of the idea
hard escarp
you can invite an RPG bot any time
austere pagoda
I'm likely to get more growth on ssod though it's a bot with wider appeal, a mod...
Umm very true ssod has potential fr i saw it
hard escarp
did you play it at all
austere pagoda
Nope just saw the page and saved it to my check later list
I surf top.gg and booklist bots to check later
hard escarp
ssod will take off most when there are many people on at same time
austere pagoda
π₯² am weird . . . Tracking and knowing other bots ik
hard escarp
because that's when people will be able to pvp
austere pagoda
ssod will take off most when there are many people on at same time
That time is when us wakes up
Most joins are from us
austere pagoda
because that's when people will be able to pvp
Ohh you mean that way! True yeah
Have you tried promoting on other platforms? Like youtube or tiktok?
hard escarp
what do you use to make your bots?
austere pagoda
what do you use to make your bots?
Python
austere pagoda
can't really promote bots on YouTube
It gets join in long term . . . Got me 100 servers
hard escarp
who's channel though
austere pagoda
people don't search there for bots
I use other tactic π i focus on particular community and bring them in
austere pagoda
who's channel though
Personal
hard escarp
nobody would find a video on my 100 followers yt channel
austere pagoda
I use other tactic π i focus on particular community and bring them in
Example focus on kpop and bring them in
austere pagoda
nobody would find a video on my 100 followers yt channel
You have youtube ads too bro
Target audience
hard escarp
I've been going to other RPG bots community and name dropping my bot
I was up to 60 servers this way before top.gg even listed it
austere pagoda
I've been going to other RPG bots community and name dropping my bot
You have support server for trivia?
hard escarp
yes .gg/brainbox
austere pagoda
I was up to 60 servers this way before top.gg even listed it
Umm yeah disboard also helps to trigger particular tags
austere pagoda
yes .gg/brainbox
How many members?
hard escarp
2600 ish
hard escarp
already did
austere pagoda
Ohh good
austere pagoda
Ohh thats good
austere pagoda
I also have another thing
What?
hard escarp
join .gg/bot
it's not my server, but I paid someone to let me make their first channel an ad for my bot lol
tons of people join this server every day
it has 11000 members
austere pagoda
Ohh wow i saw that
austere pagoda
it's not my server, but I paid someone to let me make their first channel an ad ...
Umm how much?
I think we shouldn't talk this here . . .
Dms maybe?
austere pagoda
but it's not something everyone can do
Lol ofc uk someone
austere pagoda
but it's not something everyone can do
Open for more? Ask
hard escarp
why are people bidding at like $60 per mille on front page trending new?
it makes absolutely no sense! you only get 414 clicks out of the 229k views on that page
and no page is worth $60 per 1000 views
i dont think people understand how CPM works, the only ones who benefit here is top.gg and its a bit immoral dont you think?
neat valley
it's not really immoral if that's what's someone is willing to pay
but I do agree the auction system takes a minute to get used to
fallow lodge
i dont think people understand how CPM works, the only ones who benefit here is ...
i once suggested a popup for really bad CPMs and the feedback post got deleted 
proof it existed
neat valley
I mean it's not like all of the money made is just kept and not re-invested back in the site
neat valley
so the more money made, the better the site can become
hard escarp
I mean it's not like all of the money made is just kept and not re-invested back...
...are you sure 
i been here a LONG time, and not much has changed tbh except more ads shown to voters, more downtime, and less benefit from us paying for ads
fallow lodge
pretty sure medal has publicly said that top.gg subsidises a lot of their running costs
so it gets invested in to medal not top.gg
hard escarp
3 years ago, i ran an ad on the gaming tag, i got 6000 new servers on my bot from it, in a WEEK. i paid $100 + tax.
does that happen now? at that price point? no it does not. but top.gg make bank.
fallow lodge
i feel like auctions was better when it was approval only
hard escarp
same.
fallow lodge
prevented bids people didn't want to pay for
hard escarp
people have gamified auctions
fallow lodge
it just meant that only legit bids from people who know how ads work were there
earnest slate
does that happen now? at that price point? no it does not. but top.gg make bank.
What has Top.gg to do with this though?
We only provide the platform, this has always been the case, and everything else is basically up to you
fallow lodge
imo its partially because of the amounts being bidded on the site
you don't get as good value for money because you're competing against someone bidding something stupid like $60@$100
from google:
Recent research shows that the average CPM for Google Display Ads is $3.12, Google Display Ads is $38.40, and Facebook Ads is $8.60.
earnest slate
If one can pay for it, it's their right to do so 
Faulty bids can happen all the time, that's kind of the downsite of Auctions, but on the other hand one can't blame the platform for it
If you participate in Auctions, we assume you've read how it works. If you did not, it's not on Top.gg
If you're exceeding your limit, to stay on top, because someone bids higher than you it's not on Top.gg either. If they're not paying and you're the second one: Congrats, you're luck! :D
fallow lodge
If one can pay for it, it's their right to do so <:shrug:1063095632249765958>
F...
i feel like they don't know how auctions works
which is why in the past a few people (me included) have suggested warnings or smth for CPMs that are stupid high
earnest slate
The articles are perfect for beginners though. I was a fresh Auctions users as well at some point and got how it works after like a few minutes of reading
fallow lodge
but the articls aren't promoted on the auctions site
earnest slate
Either people don't want to understand or really did not read how it works
fallow lodge
you only get sent the articles if you ask here and someone sends you the link or a mod uses the tag
earnest slate
I was about to say it's linked at https://auctions.top.gg/overview 
It's not on https://auctions.top.gg/, agreed, but that should not be the first place for you anyway if you really want to get familiar with things
fallow lodge
but when you login you don't see that screen, you have to go out of your way to find it which idk
oak whale
We do understand that a lot of people aren't really knowledgable when bidding and have plans to change the "introduction" to auctions when we overhaul the system
onboarding
The onboarding to auctions process
fallow lodge
not trying to cause any argument or drama, i just think the quality of auctions has decreased because people not aware of how the system properly works are bidding which is affecting other bidders
oak whale
We also have plans to force a card on file before bidding in the future
for verification purposes
so less people that bid and dont pay
fallow lodge
awesome π
hard escarp
We also have plans to force a card on file before bidding in the future
please please please for the love of the flying spagetti monster, do this
this would be whickkid sschweet awesome
oak whale
The current plan is to stablize the main site as much as possible, fix some of the largest bugs on the main site, and then move to rewriting auctions 
hard escarp
sigh are we really doing the "bid in the last minute and bump it up" thing again
I hate auctions when it's like this
mortal crag
cerulean holly
:p
hard escarp
FFS.
it's gone 7, stop bidding lol
this isn't ebay
you can't bid snipe
people best pay up for their silly bids on top voted slot 1
it's inflating all our prices.
silent ginkgo
Worst auction ever
Totally Agree
silent ginkgo
I just can't bid at the last moment lol
cerulean holly
its over
austere pagoda
Whole week wasted
silent ginkgo
Just got 2k impressions
Lol
tight dawn
i have until tomorrow to pay if i've won an auction right?
patent blaze
bruh
austere pagoda
They need to fix this
cerulean holly
i have until tomorrow to pay if i've won an auction right?
ye
tight dawn
ok ππ»
silent ginkgo
7.52 for 1k?? yall crazy
I didn't get any impressions
Because I was not able to bid at the last moment
fringe turtle
7.52 for 1k?? yall crazy
$800 on a discord bot is crazy π
fair plays tho msut be rich
cerulean holly
$800 on a discord bot is crazy π
fr
silent ginkgo
Imagine waiting for the bid for a week but at the last moment you cant
How it's feel
austere pagoda
Imagine waiting for the bid for a week but at the last moment you cant
How it's ...
Yup
Same here
I was like watching each and every bid for whole week
Each fav slot
And at last moment the bots wont load like fr kidding me
silent ginkgo
Anyway Nthing to do Until the site fix
austere pagoda
I reloaded and its gone
jade mural
$800 on a discord bot is crazy π
well, they definitely pay from premium subs
patent blaze
What's the point of watching it the entire week? Just set an alarm for 10 mins before auction ends
austere pagoda
Anyway Nthing to do Until the site fix
True
silent ginkgo
I reloaded and its gone
Same man same
austere pagoda
What's the point of watching it the entire week? Just set an alarm for 10 mins b...
To see what bids are done and how competitive ppl can be
silent ginkgo
What's the point of watching it the entire week? Just set an alarm for 10 mins b...
Excitement
patent blaze
lol
austere pagoda
Yeah nerds us
zenith barn
fringe turtle
bro the new auction just started and ppl r betting $18 CPM tf
hard escarp
7.52 for 1k?? yall crazy
yeah like what
hard escarp
bro the new auction just started and ppl r betting $18 CPM tf
wtf is a chegg tag
cerulean holly
bro the new auction just started and ppl r betting $18 CPM tf
ya fuck that lol
im capping 5 max
zenith barn
bro the new auction just started and ppl r betting $18 CPM tf
looks like a fake acc
zenith barn
well it doesn't ask u for a payment method before bidding
neat valley
...
viral lynx
My first ad on top.gg yay, let's see the results
How did it go so far?
jade mural
20k - 0 clicks
novel furnace
clicks will often depend on how attractive your ad/page is to click
jade mural
YES, but 20k for 0 clicks is totally insane!
hard escarp
i got to speak up.... this is lunacy
whoever this is.... youre wasting your money
youre going to get a fraction of 442 clicks, and youre paying $40 for it plus tax
from that you might get a couple of invies, is one person inviting your bot worth $20? think about that for a few, let it sink in
either someone isnt aware how this works, or the system is being trolled.
hard escarp
happy to share mine so far:
this has resulted in ~200 invites. not as strong a result as top.gg used to give
waxen crane
this has resulted in ~200 invites. not as strong a result as top.gg used to give
Well tho ngl I think the discord app page doesn't really help
And it surprise me that discord still hasn't monetized their app page
hard escarp
if they did it would be out of all our reach
except possibly for mee6, Dyno, and dank memer
but dank memer isn't on app directory
fringe turtle
happy to share mine so far:
how much did u pay for the front page top voted slot 1 if u dont mind me asking?
hard escarp
how much did u pay for the front page top voted slot 1 if u dont mind me asking?
200 ish
the other slots didn't do anything
but they cost me like $2
zenith barn
I don't recommend bidding on "most voted"
austere pagoda
I don't recommend bidding on "most voted"
Agreed
But that depends
If you have really amazing description people invite it
But yeah i had two promos which were total waste
Like fr 0 clicks
But one had ~100
austere pagoda
I don't recommend bidding on "most voted"
What slot is the 15% πΆ
Thats good ctr
And this is how you waste your money
@hard escarp check this bro
5$ CPM for slot 2 π
zenith barn
Thats good ctr
Music 2#
austere pagoda
Music 2#
Ohh music really returns but high cpm
I have a music bot and bfr 6 months did a promo
Got 200 clicks for abt 3k
waxen crane
why wasting so much money
like
WHY
like them why would you waste so much for so little impressions and most importantly CLICKS
zenith barn
They dont understand how cpm workπ
waxen crane
They dont understand how cpm workπ
Yeah
Every time I see that I'm like dude stop you're fking the auction for everybody
zenith barn
Every time I see that I'm like dude stop you're fking the auction for everybody
Nah just claim ur impressionsπ doesn't matter when
hard escarp
Every time I see that I'm like dude stop you're fking the auction for everybody
problem is top.gg won't do anything
they don't care all they care about is money when it comes to auctions
if someone places a stupid bid at $50 for 1000, that is good for them so long as it's paid
it's NOT GOOD for the rest of us and is a short term gain as it will drive us all away
in short if app directory ever adds monetised ads, top.gg will be in trouble
waxen crane
in short if app directory ever adds monetised ads, top.gg will be in trouble
Indeed
But yeah the only reason they are still alive is the fact that discord app need the bot to be verified and that they don't do ads
brittle carbon
Lol have you tried using the app directory? It sucks.
onyx mortar
They dont understand how cpm workπ
I don't understand it either
I just throw two numbers at it and hope it does something
working so far
hard escarp
Lol have you tried using the app directory? It sucks.
end users don't care or know any better, remember we are the technical minority and we don't sometimes see it through users eyes. they see a built in search and listing facility and don't know, or search further. they dont think to Google
brittle carbon
I'd argue the contrary tbh. Most people Google any time they don't know how to do something. If you're a new user wondering how to add a bot to your server, you'll Google it first.
austere pagoda
Are we even able to access app directory on mobile app?
austere pagoda
I'd argue the contrary tbh. Most people Google any time they don't know how to d...
Yes and if you watch a video asking you to go check app directory π
zenith barn
I don't understand it either
I just throw two numbers at it and hope it does som...
They explained it well in the website
brittle carbon
Only if you're on the front page
hard escarp
nobody goes any further than the front page
same as nobody looks any further than front page of top.gg any more
brittle carbon
no on top.gg the majority of traffic comes through google
something you don't get with the app directory
most people don't type "top.gg" into their address bar
they google "fun discord bots" etc
hard escarp
most people dont google for discord bots
they find out via word of mouth or see them on other servers
its a domino effect
brittle carbon
auctions stats say otherwise
hard escarp
the more servers youre on the more you get
brittle carbon
it's both
brittle carbon
my traffic is 50:50 split between top.gg and native in-app invites through the "add to server" button on my bot's discord profile
hard escarp
my traffic is 50:50 split between top.gg and native in-app invites through the "...
gonna try this
waxen crane
gonna try this
Dang that's one hell of a technic
neat valley
app directory is good.
when top.gg was bigger, i would get 350 invites a day fr...
How even do they decide who gets put on the front page of the app directory?
fringe turtle
this weeks bid is a lot better than last weeks for some reason
lets hope i didnt just jinx it π
waxen crane
this weeks bid is a lot better than last weeks for some reason
Ngl it's the first time I bid on topgg but like how bad were they
fringe turtle
well for a small tag , ppl were bidding $5 cpm, but i dont think anyone that bidded that acc paid tho, in my case they didnt
and im talking about a tag that only gets 6k impression
neat valley
0% rate for 20k impressions is insane. Regular ads in general (not just Top gg) run around a bare minimum of 1% / 1000. Thats like the advertising equal of being a shooting range and missing every single shot. Absolutely dumb founding how not even pure accidents didn't get them any clicks.
The statistics of that is like, lottery levels, to be that bad, from what I understand from an advertising perspective.
waxen crane
Maybe it's In a category that makes no sense for the bot so people don't click since they are not interested
neat valley
Yeah, they must've fucked something up to have that many impressions without so much as a clueless, lost user, clicking their product page.
waxen crane
Yeah, they must've fucked something up to have that many impressions without so ...
Yeah
Like me personally I choose the things that make sense or just doesn't have any "category"
Like the main page the votes and etc
neat valley
I posted BS categories for my bot, because I just wanted to skip the queue, & I thought I'd have a week to flush things out, lmao.
I didn't even finish writing it yet, & it got approved the same day I submitted it.
I need to update my bot page, and push some changes tonight.
waxen crane
I didn't even finish writing it yet, & it got approved the same day I submitted ...
Well luckily I had most things finished but yeah the first day it got approved
I had to rush alot of shit like the emojis and all
neat valley
Half of modules weren't even updated when they approved it, I'm actually astounded it passed, first try too.
The bar for quality must be super low.
waxen crane
Half of modules weren't even updated when they approved it, I'm actually astound...
Yeah
waxen crane
The bar for quality must be super low.
Well I think they just check if it's a fork with low modifications and if the bot is on
neat valley
I mean to be fair, most people doing Discord application work, are kids just getting into programming. So it makes sense in a way.
waxen crane
I mean to be fair, most people doing Discord application work, are kids just get...
Yeah but there are discords for those people yk
neat valley
Uhum.
waxen crane
So yeah
hard escarp
How even do they decide who gets put on the front page of the app directory?
two ways:
firstly, partner bots which are approached by discord and have a business relationship, these bots get early access to stuff not even us lib devs know of. e.g. midjourney
secondly, bots that discord staff have just encountered and really like get a chance to be featured. I got triviabot on there twice this way, and i know of a friend who was on there twice too
hard escarp
Maybe it's In a category that makes no sense for the bot so people don't click s...
no, i got some like this, where it makes no sense at all!
the system for recording impressions is a bit broken because of caching
like
my bot is a rpg bot
its been on this category apparently since weds morning
and 0 impressions, somehow 6 clicks? what?
and, when i checked, its not ACTUALLY there.
then theres this one, 1500 impressions at auction, it just stopped at 646 and hasnt increased
but clicks keeps increasing
they simply arent able to accurately measure clicks, i think this is to our advantage
neat valley
two ways:
firstly, partner bots which are approached by discord and have a busi...
I see, ty for the response.
waxen crane
So we may get more for our money
hard escarp
im not bidding front page this coming week
its been completely ruined by complete morons bidding $20 cpm
waxen crane
its been completely ruined by complete morons bidding $20 cpm
Yeah
I'm pretty sure the dude ain't going to pay and if he is I don't know where he get the money but tf
hard escarp
I'm gonna sit and watch what happens. I'm going to make note of all these bots and see what ones turn up on ads
waxen crane
I'm gonna sit and watch what happens. I'm going to make note of all these bots a...
Yeah
I'm legit going to go to their support servers and ask them Why the hell you doin that
hard escarp
i dont think they understand that they could get like 5x the impressions with the same budget
fringe turtle
bro what π
2 idiots bidding
that has to be the worst bidding ive seen yet
and now cause of t hem the minimum bid is $2.75 ffs
fringe turtle
anyone knowe how to find someone who bidded actual page?
waxen crane
austere pagoda
anyone knowe how to find someone who bidded actual page?
you'll have to monitor #bids
cerulean holly
if you pay more then $5 a 1k you actually wilding
weary wigeon
I'd argue the contrary tbh. Most people Google any time they don't know how to d...
For now, that may change with Gen Z. I was shocked to hear they are more often looking up shit in TikTok than Google.
zenith barn
bro what π
look here
zenith barn
bro what π
and u call these idiots π ?
fringe turtle
$10 for 1k impressions is nearly as bad π
zenith barn
where do these guys get there brains from
wish.com
fringe turtle
its a small tag aswell only 500 clicks for 9k impressions so hes probs gonna get like 50 clicks
zenith barn
i did those last week
zenith barn
what category
fringe turtle
fortnite π
zenith barn
sheeeeesh
fringe turtle
gonna spend $20 on this bid but theres some guy thats taking all the impressions from the tags i want π
doubt hes acc gonna pay so im gonan bid under him on all of them and hope i win
zenith barn
doubt hes acc gonna pay so im gonan bid under him on all of them and hope i win
it is not about winin:)
jade mural
i did those last week
what is the second ad slot name?
zenith barn
what is the second ad slot name?
music 2#
hard escarp
i did those last week
which tags
zenith barn
which tags
1# top voted slot 2 (7/10)
2# music tag slot 2 (super cool 7/10)
3# front page slot 2 (i rate this 0/10 i don't recommend it at all)
hard escarp
it looks like tbh most morons this week are on the first tag that comes up when they log in to auctions
the one that has like 420 clicks a week lol
it might be ok this week, we will see
hard escarp
worst investment ever
is this you? ...
hard escarp
ok lol
fringe turtle
thats someone elses investment
zenith barn
just watch this
fringe turtle
i will never be that dumb π
hard escarp
it's throwing money into the wind not investment
fringe turtle
fr
hard escarp
i will never be that dumb π
luckily they all just bid on first auction that comes up
which gets no clicks
because it's below the fold
fringe turtle
half of them dont pay tbh
someone took all the impressions in all the tags i wanted this week π
hard escarp
you can see where I started the ad campaign around 14th July
hard escarp
nice to see growth in such a simple ui
yeah this is just the raw SQL view in phpmyadmin
my pretty graphs have a cutoff of a year
so I had to delve
in effect, top.gg ads are 3x more expensive than 2020, and for that price run for 15x less time
but each day you get, gives the same number of servers it used to
according to this and what I paid
decided to remove the image
probably not best to show people as it was, I'll repost raw data
there
brittle carbon
Everything was cheaper 4 years ago my man
patent blaze
Anyone know why I can't bid at 1.00 when someone bids there first with $3? Why do I have to increase my rate to 1.25 when there are 100k more impressions available? Geniune question. Thanks.
oak whale
based on the screenshot theres only 454 impressions available?
if your bid were to knock someone off the leaderboard/cause them to get 0 impressions then you have to increment the 25 cents
patent blaze
Thres 250k total impressions available and there are only bids on ~80k
oak whale
and you were trying to bid 1@1 ?
patent blaze
yep, didn't let me, but let Gemini do it
oak whale
gemini was probably the very first bid
patent blaze
So?
oak whale
it should let you bid at 1 if there are impressions left, but it probably isnt logically detecting that
its likely something on our side
patent blaze
I see
oak whale
so it let gemini because they were there first, but its not letting others because it thinks itll kick them off
ill bring it up to an engineer and see if we can look into it and figure out if thats the case
patent blaze
Thank you!
oak whale
thank you for pointing it out 
patent blaze
thank you for pointing it out <:onionpray:954383559324471316>
Sorry for bothering, another question, when do the minimum bids reset?
Minimum bid for this spot was 1.62 last time, looks like it reset to 1.00
oak whale
every week the min bid is based upon the highest cpm bid from the last week
lowest 1 dollar, highest 5
waxen crane
oak whale
i think its the last weeks highest cpm divided by 4
waxen crane
dang next week its going to be high af
with all those mf who bid high as hell
oh wait i read it wrong
dang im tired
austere pagoda
dang next week its going to be high af
Will be atleast 5
neat valley
Hi, can someone expain how these actions work? I cannot find a general run down anywhere or how to get started.
hard escarp
Hi, can someone expain how these actions work? I cannot find a general run down ...
first you select where you want your bots ads to appear, pick from the drop down; you choose how much per 1000 views to pay, thats the first figure. then you choose what your budget is that is the 2nd figure
so if you put $2 @ $100 that means you want $100 worth of views, at $2 per 1000
its important not to put the first number too high or you dont get value for money
ideally you want the first number as low as you can get away with while still winning the auction, and the 2nd as high as you can afford in your budget
also pay close attention to the number next to the mouse pointer icon on each category
this is how many clicks the category gets per week
if it says like 100 clicks, this isnt worth it, look at another
waxen crane
yeah and make sure that your bot makes sense in the category you choose
if you have a gaming bot dont try auctioning on the music category
hard escarp
and, that your short description is good, that is your pitch, if it sucks people wont invite, e.g. if it says "this bot is better than mee6" or something
safe zenith
Stake crash
hard escarp
Stake crash
stake crash? whats that, a bunch of vampire hunters driving without due care and attention?
neat valley
How helpful is this tho? Do people actualy see their bots being used more?
neat valley
first you select where you want your bots ads to appear, pick from the drop down...
Omg , thanks for the information man
It was quite useful since I had the same doubt
cold venture
Do fair bidding
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Yes sed
Look at kpop tag slot 1
10$ cpm π
Fools with big pockets
fringe turtle
what am i even seeing rn
waxen crane
Fools with big pockets
fools. they dont have big pockets
they're just dumb
like a dude in the musica tag legit raised the price to 6.38
for nothing basically
clear vigil
$7 for 2193 impressions π
waxen crane
i dont get why they can bid when they put a lesser max spendable while putting a huge per 1000
like im putting a god damn 50$ and this mf put a 8$ as the budget and a .05 cents more per 1k and he outbids me
muted ocean
it's CPM bidding only, budget is not really relevant
muted ocean
for instance I prefer putting an exact budget on a slot as apposed to $50 since it gives me control over what I actually pay in context of extra impressions
waxen crane
mhm
waxen crane
AYO TF 2K
old horizon
we lost
old horizon
who ?
hard escarp
this week's auctions have been an absolute joke again
waxen crane
indeed
muted ocean
on that note, I do hope they add back the votes until the end of the month because otherwise I'm not making it to 101 I guess π
clear vigil
so unprofessional
we're freelance bot developers.... for discord. what do you expect my man
old horizon
wth 2k dollars
hard escarp
we're freelance bot developers.... for discord. what do you expect my man
some professional courtesy, I don't make my sites unreliable like this
especially not the bits that take payments
hard escarp
wth 2k dollars
yeah I call bullshit lol
old horizon
yeah I call bullshit lol
ishhh
waxen crane
yeah I call bullshit lol
the thing is
to have 2k budget
he needs to be approved tho
so
i dont think its bullshit
old horizon
when credits gonna expire ?
muted ocean
31 days from when you claimed them
old horizon
he covered front page too demmm
muted ocean
he needs to be approved tho
I can go up to $5K without any sort of additional approval (not that I'm ever planning to)
oak whale
Anyone that was approved before auctions went free for all was at 5k
those that started after auctions was open to all start at 100
But specifically that customer is legitimate and has purchased several auctions before
waxen crane
I can go up to $5K without any sort of additional approval (not that I'm ever pl...
dang
muted ocean
well yeah but as Xiuh says, I started at $100 and every successful week doubled that limit (I think)
split dirge
something wrong tith the model that if one gets distracted at the wrong few minutes a week of bidding is useless
muted ocean
set a reminder every week and you'll be fine π
old horizon
i'll try on next monday
muted ocean
or wait for the fabled auctions rewrite 
split dirge
I placed some bids 40 minute before end. Then got busy doing something and next thing I realized it was 10 minutes past bidding close
waxen crane
im still bidding
old horizon
next week:(
i'll meet u there
old horizon
im still bidding
what's ur bot ?
zenith barn
i'll meet u there
just bribe him:)
waxen crane
what's ur bot ?
Lofi Chill
zenith barn
make a deal
old horizon
Lofi Chill
ahh boi
waxen crane
pretty sure im annoying him
zenith barn
π to me too
old horizon
demm
zenith barn
u threw me down
austere pagoda
pretty sure im annoying him
Stoppp
10$ cpm is too high lmao
I am not the competition just saying lol
zenith barn
10$ cpm is too high lmao
you sure
waxen crane
pretty sure he abandonned
old horizon
haha
waxen crane
who the hell own dungeon divers
im going to kick his ass
like 10 minutes ago it was 3$ cpm
oak whale
Lets not threaten people, please.
waxen crane
im going to kick his ass
with respect
zenith barn
no kicking asses here
oak whale
Follow the rules or you could be removed from Auctions or our Discord completely, thank you
austere pagoda
Follow the rules or you could be removed from Auctions or our Discord completely...
Can i call them fools pls π₯Ή
I mean the ones who are fr
50$ cpm π₯±
waxen crane
Follow the rules or you could be removed from Auctions or our Discord completely...
sorry mate
oak whale
I will be keeping a close eye on the higher bidders and taking action if payment failure rate is too high.
austere pagoda
I will be keeping a close eye on the higher bidders and taking action if payment...
You are a saviour
||(prays they forget their card somewhere and are not able to pay)||
waxen crane
and i won
austere pagoda
<:issousueur:1038254279955324998>
Say say
waxen crane
indeed quite too much
waxen crane
Does your money grow on tree?
kinda
hard escarp
I will be keeping a close eye on the higher bidders and taking action if payment...
fantastic, please swing some ban hammers this behaviour is ridiculous
: π
austere pagoda
fantastic, please swing some ban hammers this behaviour is ridiculous
Lets pray they are not able to pay this week π
waxen crane
i just noticed its in usd and not cad
austere pagoda
i just noticed its in usd and not cad <:issousueur:1038254279955324998>
U dumb
Dumbo
oak whale
no name calling
austere pagoda
Go pay
oak whale
waxen crane
well still
austere pagoda
no name calling
Ohh shit . . .
austere pagoda
πΆ
zenith barn
no swinging
cold venture
unless you want to see me swing my ban hammer now
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austere pagoda
no swinging
Yeah . . . .only drinking
cold venture
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zenith barn
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ayo it is getting, nvm
cold venture
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austere pagoda
Can i call them fools pls π₯Ή
Xiuh??
oak whale
no, lets not start any drama
zenith barn
no, lets not start any drama
how to say "Ψ³ΩΨ§Ω ΨͺΩ" in English
oak whale
if you have issues or questions or conerns, please open a ticket to address them to me privately
oak whale
instead of spreading rumors or anger in general chats
cold venture
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austere pagoda
no, lets not start any drama
Umm ok
austere pagoda
instead of spreading rumors or anger in general chats
No not spreading ill keep mum
hard escarp
Lets pray they are not able to pay this week π
no, let's be rational. let's assume good faith and hope they do pay.
let's remain professional.
austere pagoda
no, let's be rational. let's assume good faith and hope they do pay.
let's rema...
Lol yeah am just kidding
hard escarp
if they don't then this is top.ggs problem which they've said they'll fix now.
austere pagoda
Its past midnight here lol so ofc am not saje rn
austere pagoda
if they don't then this is top.ggs problem which they've said they'll fix now.
Yeah yeah nice step by xiuh
@zenith barn go sleep
zenith barn
Yes be a good boy
how did u assume my gender π€‘
zenith barn
Am sleeping or xiuh will ban me lol
austere pagoda
Am being dumb seriously
toxic brook
zenith barn
fallow lodge
@muted cosmos a lot of reaction spam 
muted cosmos
Indeed
@zenith barn cool it with the reactions if you wanna keep the permission to use them 
I'm making a bot template for a bot we're making for my student org and this shit is solid code
Support for both text commands and slash commands πͺ
Edit: Wrong channel nvm carry on auctions people
reef hound
When is the ads from yesterdays action going live? is it around 20-21 CET?
brittle carbon
When is the ads from yesterdays action going live? is it around 20-21 CET?
The next cycle of ads goes live at around 8pm UTC.
reef hound
The next cycle of ads goes live at around 8pm UTC.
ty
neat valley
Im new here. What do Auctions do for you/are they worth it? Do people rly install the plugin more
waxen crane
the plugin?
brittle carbon
They mean add the bot
brittle carbon
Im new here. What do Auctions do for you/are they worth it? Do people rly instal...
People wouldn't pay money in auctions every week if it didn't bring them new traffic
hard escarp
I'm curious did any of the high cpm bidders actually pay?
oak whale
Certain users were removed this week due to high failed payment rates. Were going to be taking steps as well to better monitor failed payment rates and start implementing stricter punishments
And by removed, I mean removed from bidding and auctions.
patent blaze
Are we supposed to be able to view the message history of #bids Just shows up as an empty channel for me.
novel furnace
Are we supposed to be able to view the message history of <#571325633498447872> ...
That's correct, they're hidden
#announcements message for details
patent blaze
Very interesting. Thank you.
undone steppe
gm
hard escarp
That's correct, they're hidden
what happened to the auctions leaderboards mentioned there?
all transparency seems to be gone now
brittle carbon
what happened to the auctions leaderboards mentioned there?
they're always visible on https://auctions.top.gg
hard escarp
where?
leaderboards used to show which bots had bid the most in total through all auctions
statistics π
brittle carbon
i'm pretty sure we never had that as a feature
are you thinking of dblstatistics.com?
They used to have some scraped auctions stats
in any case, that announcement refers to this
hard escarp
are you thinking of dblstatistics.com?
yes this one, there was an official verison im sure
brittle carbon
I don't remember there ever being one. Maybe @violet sand could confirm? π
But in any case that's not something we would do today based on the feedback we had from regular auctions customers
neon halo
oh wew that is quite the difference
novel furnace
Relevant tags make quite the difference 
neon halo
Relevant tags make quite the difference <:happy:948011735397335040>
I mean its fair lmao
novel furnace
mike π
neon halo
mike π
off topic but, novonode is insanely cheap wtf
I thought sparkedhost was the cheapest thing that I would be able to find 
novel furnace
novel furnace
violet sand
yes this one, there was an official verison im sure
@brittle carbon
There wasn't one
The reason why I made the DBL Stats one in the first place is because I was curious
I did do a livestream of an live auctions leaderboard in this server for the first few weeks, but thats about it
We (DBL Stats) had planned to carry it over to the first rewrite in 2020, but as #bids became unreliable (because discord was ratelimiting iirc), we didn't release with it and ended up dropping it as a feature
hard escarp
@violet sand ^
violet sand
ty
hard escarp
yw
dreamy birch
hit new pb with my ctr (my previous record was 1200%)
neat valley
do you get double the votes on sundays or saturdays ?
muted cosmos
do you get double the votes on sundays or saturdays ?
Yes
muted cosmos
both then ? or only on one of them ?
Yeah on weekends votes are doubled so Saturday and Sunday
neat valley
ok ty
gleaming jackal
brittle carbon
Usually anywhere between 5 - 7% is a good average.
hard escarp
looks like im not bidding this week, if the site wont work
but then again we got like 8 idiots bidding $20 CPM on the top voted slot again.
silent basalt
oak whale
-status
lean whaleBOT
We are presently encountering a service disruption.
For additional details, kindly refer to the #site-status channel.
To receive notifications regarding future incidents or updates, you may assign the "Site Status" role to yourself by going here: id:customize.
hard escarp
who is it that runs isekaid
i think its a bit mean that you keep bidding just a tiny bit less than the full impressions on the page
leaving me with like 101 impressions that cost a fortune.
just bid them all it'll cost you like an extra dollar.
i really dont get why AI bots are bidding in the gaming tag
you can have it, your loss
muted ocean
that looks like he meant to write $3.76, but adjusted the budget
silent ginkgo
Xd
muted ocean
as always π
or another popular one, bid on both slots of the same tag and don't let anyone have any of it
muted ocean
it just makes little sense to me, you're essentially paying twice for 1 click per se
or it's just to wipe out the competition
muted ocean
oh yippee i lost a tag bc it didn't refresh
I noticed the SAME exact thing this second as well
hard escarp
wtf
muted ocean
the site has issues
hard escarp
why would someone bid $8.40 at $20 for a slot that only has 904 average impressions
youre not going to GET $20 worth
shut lagoon
why would someone bid $8.40 at $20 for a slot that only has 904 average impressi...
you think that's bad
the highest I dealt with was like $14 for that
muted ocean
there goes the entire slot lol, this isn't the first time regarding the weird refresh glitch
earnest slate
Itβs not your own money, why even care about it?
Just let them do what they want to do, their βlossβ
shut lagoon
when they do it every week
you don't get any impressions anymore
and it becomes your own "loss" too
muted ocean
there goes the entire slot lol, this isn't the first time regarding the weird re...
wtf now it says that it ended less than 42 seconds ago
what is this sorcery
earnest slate
when they do it every week
Thatβs Auctions
muted ocean
oh wait I'm dumb
shut lagoon
yep
shut lagoon
auctions is a contact sport
earnest slate
shut lagoon
the first week of the month is always the funniest one
they all blow their vote credits all at once
muted ocean
I will be forced to spend more next week, since January credits expire next week
and I lost a $2 slot, increasing my budget even more π
shut lagoon
vote credits is genius tbh, it artificially inflates the value of popular tags so anyone that is spending actual money has to spend more
muted ocean
that might be the dumbest thing I ever did on auctions
shut lagoon
no
maiden vault
suggestion: add a chat π
shut lagoon
vote credits is genius tbh, it artificially inflates the value of popular tags s...
seriously that would be an interesting experiment, if we had a week with no vote credits
hard escarp
i'd still bid.
maiden vault
same
hard escarp
im bidding rn without vote credits, my bots fund my ads
shut lagoon
so would I
maiden vault
topgg is main source of income and growth
hard escarp
it would stop the stupid $20CPM bids
muted ocean
seriously that would be an interesting experiment, if we had a week with no vote...
I'd probably bit on my favorite slot and that would be it
maiden vault
most paying customers are from topgg
shut lagoon
because we're willing to actually spend money on something that provides value to us
shut lagoon
it would stop the stupid $20CPM bids
what i'm saying
the vote credits let people make stupid bids
muted ocean
I mean, if they won't add up the lost votes from January I'll be without credits for the next month π
shut lagoon
and then anyone spending actual money has to spend more to actually get impressions
shut lagoon
i want to know why a bot that sends sticky messages loves to rack up the price of all the welcome users/welcomer tags at random
maiden vault
its taking so long now
hard escarp
its gonna be an expensive one this week for me i think
had to fight for the slots i wanted
maiden vault
its gonna be an expensive one this week for me i think
there were worse bro
shut lagoon
had to fight for the slots i wanted
this is the worst feeling
hard escarp
just waiting on one to finish
shut lagoon
i know it's wrong when i do it
i'm contributing to the problem
but like why should they get off cheap
if they want a fight they get a fight
hard escarp
depends. im only spending what i forecast to get back in the long term, got a new bot to launch.
shut lagoon
yeah true
maiden vault
but fr give us chat lmao
shut lagoon
i do it with vote credits
maiden vault
so we can talk in tags
shut lagoon
but fr give us chat lmao
that would be funny
maiden vault
for how long do i fight for applciation tag
do u guys think its worth it
its getting expensive
maiden vault
i won them already
shut lagoon
i get a good ctr on it
maiden vault
but application tag still gives a few clicks
shut lagoon
impressions don't matter if no one is clicking on it
muted ocean
oh I see the $20 CPM on trending new 1 now, you weren't joking (what a waste given that the CTR is rubbish)
clear vigil
good choice
muted ocean
depends on your past experience, application tags are totally not worth it for me, but they have a high CTR so some know how to work it better
muted ocean
11 is fine, still way better than industry standards
but yeah tickets are really good
maiden vault
aight i won the application tag lol
muted ocean
nice
maiden vault
for some reason appy and noti gave up
even tho they can afford for sure
Appy never wins the application tag
i always do full ticket
never giving up anything
hard escarp
just checked, todays funds are in, phew, this isnt going to bankrupt me
maiden vault
ok not bad
hard escarp
not gonna be living off beans for 3 days lol
muted ocean
xd
I underspent today, so next week I'll have to efficiently spend $7.50, nothing more nothing less
ideally
shut lagoon
aight i won the application tag lol
jeez that took you forever
maiden vault
yeah
shut lagoon
i get so upset if it's 5 minutes over
15 minutes is crazy
we love top.gg but i can't wait to close the auctions site every week
maiden vault
luckly the ads ALWAYS come back with a %
we get enough premium users from them to get money back and earn more
shut lagoon
would be cool if you had a way to see which slot got you the most premium conversions
server invites is one thing but then which actually upgrade
it's definitely possible, but it would be a pain in the ass to do
you would need to track which specific slot the server came from
maiden vault
is that even possible
shut lagoon
yes
maiden vault
whut
shut lagoon
personally i track which bot list site my invites come from
maiden vault
but not specific tags
shut lagoon
but not specific tags
you could do that but you'd have to create another "promotable" for every single tag you wanted to bid on
maiden vault
anyways, what gives u most
shut lagoon
which is why i said, it would be a pain in the ass
oak whale
If you use custom products you can customize your invites
shut lagoon
If you use custom products you can customize your invites
^ this, just said that yeah
oak whale
a new invite for each product, a different product for each slot
ya
sorry im only half following along 
maiden vault
too lazy
maiden vault
yeah
oak whale
We could look into it for auctions v2
maiden vault
what u would change in v2
shut lagoon
We could look into it for auctions v2
auctions v2 
oak whale
v2 is planned to be continous bidding, no weekly cycles
shut lagoon
v2 is planned to be continous bidding, no weekly cycles
how would this work
maiden vault
maybe make the minimum bid thing automatic instead of like it is now so it errors if u try with too low
shut lagoon
no cycles at all you just put money in
maiden vault
also, i think that vote credits glitched for me lol
oak whale
We will keep a version of it, for newer bidders versus older bidders
and we plan on implementing a verification system where you have to have a card on file before bidding, or a deposit
shut lagoon
also, i think that vote credits glitched for me lol
vote credits are fun
i remember that one time i got my vote credits given to me twice
maiden vault
i claimed 15$ today and on the vote tab in bot settings it says $15.46 awaiting for month to end
shut lagoon
lmao
maiden vault
yeah just happend to me
shut lagoon
classic double spending bug
maiden vault
dont remove pls
maiden vault
im gud boi
maiden vault
leave my moni
shut lagoon
i very good
oak whale
Nah it happens unfortunately and i cant track everyone so
shut lagoon
put a lock on it when you try to claim idk
maiden vault
its there so its mine ok?
maiden vault
but i literally got a claim button idk why
oak whale
its there so its mine ok?
this is probably because of the reset earlier this month
when the downtime happened
shut lagoon
but i literally got a claim button idk why
nextjs go brrrr
shut lagoon
its there so its mine ok?
wait i didn't get this
i meant smth else
my claim request once just went through twice lol
maiden vault
damn thats cool
oak whale
hacker man
maiden vault
wonder if its possible to find a bug in the api and claim as much as u want
shut lagoon
wonder if its possible to find a bug in the api and claim as much as u want
well that's what happened
laggy buggy client sent api request twice
shut lagoon
that's by definition what a double spend is, when you can hit an endpoint more than once and they run in parallel before the db is updated to say you already "spent" it
oak whale
Ive already mentioned a similar issue to the engineering team
i can write it down tho
probably worth looking at
maiden vault
when i can claim again i will track the api request and spam it as fast as i can
i will tel u
shut lagoon
Ive already mentioned a similar issue to the engineering team
that happened to me last july, pretty sure you were the one that answered when i brought it up lol
you even let me keep them 
maiden vault
maybe if i do multiple devices at once?
shut lagoon
(it was better than some schmuck finding it and doing a for (let i = 0; i < 100))
maiden vault
should work, right?
oak whale
i wouldnt go trying to break things
shut lagoon
maybe if i do multiple devices at once?
the window for something like that to work is generally within a few milliseconds so unlikely
maiden vault
bvut possible
shut lagoon
you're aiming for the window between the first request checking the database and the first request updating the database
that's why locking is used as a solution to that problem
maiden vault
a ID generated on tickety with a 0.1953% chance for the first 9 symbols
shut lagoon
you need the second request to be able to see the old state before the first request updates the database with the new state
there's a similar (harmless) bug on discord that works in the same way that lets you have more than one DM with someone, and it's kinda funny
i had this happen to me organically before when i was on a crappy public wifi network on my phone a few years ago, i ended up having 2 DM channels with the same person
pretty trippy
maiden vault
Promise.all([
fetch(button api link)
fetch(button api link)
])
shut lagoon
Promise.all([
fetch(button api link)
fetch(button api link)
])
this is a decent way to try a double-spend yes
maiden vault
but first u gotta go to mcdonalds
so the minimal differences can be hid behind shitty intenret
shut lagoon
but first u gotta go to mcdonalds
if you're intentionally trying to do it no, you want as much control over how close you send the requests to each other
shut lagoon
i want to do it "by mistake"
lmao
maiden vault
"my bad bro, i didnt want to"
maiden vault
dont ask if ticket tag gonna be 150@150 next week
shut lagoon
dont ask if ticket tag gonna be 150@150 next week
lmao
hard escarp
woke up this morning to find my bot gaining servers quite fast. turns out this had happened:
i didnt win an auctions last week, in fact i was outbid quite far down the list. that being the case what would cause me to become "up there"?
could it be because they yeeted a bunch of trolls off the list?
would be nice if the site could send a pre-emptive email or dm "looks like you might get a second chance at some impressions this week in the next X hours, keep an eye out and your wallet ready"
brittle carbon
I pointed this out to you yesterday here: #auctions-support message
hard escarp
yeah, but that slot one and rpg 2 werent there yesterday
only when i got up this AM
just "unknown product"
brittle carbon
Yeah sometimes they don't appear until closer to the time they go live
brittle carbon
just "unknown product"
That was because the site was down
hard escarp
would be nice to have more oversight of whats coming up, budgeting for more ads isnt an issue but reporting is always good
brittle carbon
Would be nice to get rid of the current system entirely and just pay upfront for everything
hard escarp
thats like paying up front for healthcare just in case you have an accident... sounds very... american