EPISODE 1

[mighty scaffold]

Could still be misdirection

[shrewd berry]

it's not Anthony, he doesn't like his brother

and here he says he's his biggest supporter

[tepid sable]

Well minus the guy in vault 63 the one in 112
And the one who got abducted

[shrewd berry]

they made the mr house orb

[mighty scaffold]

Yeah which is why it makes sense he wants to make the mind control technology to take control of his brother most likely

He literally references the H&H nail gun as paying for his research, Anthony is the one who owned H&H

[tepid sable]

Anthony was also not sane long before this, like tinfoil hat unstable and erratic

[mighty scaffold]

Yea which is why he asks that guy to punch him in the face

He's insane

I really don't see any world where Robert house willingly lets some meat head touch him

My theory is that the Robert house we first saw is actually Robert house, his character gets killed in the events of NV and his brother Anthony takes control of the 38 afterwards somehow

[tepid sable]

Anthony lost h and h in early 2077

And locked it down months before the war

[mighty scaffold]

Ok and, there's nothing saying that scene in the bar takes place in 2077 it could have been 2076 or earlier

[tepid sable]

Also based on time line anthony was much older than robert he took control of h and h in 2022

[mighty scaffold]

Well that just lends credence to my theory because the guy in the bar looks much older than the young House on the tv

Bar House looks at least 50s one on tv looks 26

[tepid sable]

The automation riots were 2077 and are something bethesda is married to

[sonic kettle]

Anthony House being House in NV would be so terrible

[mighty scaffold]

They'd been building up to it for years it didn't just happen then

[sonic kettle]

You have to remember Robert House was cheated out of H&H tools and went on to found RobCo

He hates Anthony, he doesn't hate H&H tools

There's no reason why he wouldn't be proud of what his Father built

[tepid sable]

Robert house was born 2020 for anthony to inherit he would have to be much older

[tepid sable]

House was 2 when his dad died

[mighty scaffold]

Yes so if H&H isn't Robert houses company why would he be down in a bar talking about H&H nail gun paying for his research it he didn't even own the company to be able to make money from it

[shrewd berry]

actually Robert took over H&H

[mighty scaffold]

He was trying to he never succeeded before the war happened

[shrewd berry]

Securitrons have H&H on them

[tepid sable]

Robert was only 2/3, when anthony took control of the tools

[mighty scaffold]

The factory was shutdown in the days leading up to the war the robots were probably in there killing people when the bombs dropped

[shrewd berry]

the Amazon extra page calls him Robert House too

[sonic kettle]

This worsened when RobCo Industries began attempting a corporate takeover, attacking H&H Tools on the stock market.This resulted in Anthony suffering a total mental breakdown, and several months before the Great War, he sealed the Vegas factory and activated its security systems, turning the factory into a deathtrap for centuries to come

[tepid sable]

Yeah its interesting to know robert was born in 2020

[sonic kettle]

There's no reason why House wouldn't be stating that H&H tools made his family fortune, helped him kickstart RobCo

[mighty scaffold]

Doesn't mean much

[sonic kettle]

It being Anthony doesn't go anywhere

[tepid sable]

So robert would be 57
And anthony in his 70s

[sonic kettle]

It's an M Night Shamalanadingdo twist for nothing

[mighty scaffold]

Robert house was cheated out of his inheritance by Anthony, Robert didn't get any money to help him

[sonic kettle]

He was cheated out of his share of H&H tools

No mention of any other money

[mighty scaffold]

The line literally says cheated out of his inheritance

[tepid sable]

Or you know a two year old inheriting is a bad idea

[mighty scaffold]

Well that's probably how they cheated him out of it

[shrewd berry]

the trailer shows this Mr house literally on the screen like ingame

[sonic kettle]

Is inheritance was his father's share of H&H

[tepid sable]

Given robert was a toddler it makes sense how anthony did this but it would still mean anthony is 70 by 2077

[frank ingot]

that was in FO1. the maxson line would almost immediately throw the altruism of their founder away. his son was already vindictive toward outsiders

[mighty scaffold]

Yea they probably have the OG house killed and his brother Anthony took his place

[sonic kettle]

But anyway throwing all that aside, if Justin is Anthony and the house we meet is Anthony, then what does all the information in H&H tools factory mean?

[shrewd berry]

what

[sonic kettle]

Is that just brushed aside?

[tepid sable]

He is too young to be anthony

[sonic kettle]

Like there's terminals of lore and stuff in the H&H tools factory in NV

[mighty scaffold]

Anthony's corpse was never found, his fate is unknown in the games

Anthony also has a lucky 38 executive override key

[tepid sable]

He was also a gibbering wreck and likely an old man

[sonic kettle]

Where?

[mighty scaffold]

I imagine on his desk in the factory

[shrewd berry]

do we really expect the show writers to know that?

[mighty scaffold]

I saw it in a video the other day

[sonic kettle]

That was technically meant to be a Followers Quest that wasn't implemented

[mighty scaffold]

They knew about the Cut vault 24 so yes

[shrewd berry]

okay good point

[tepid sable]

You know avalone admitted vault 24 was not cut it was a test jumpsuit

[mighty scaffold]

I mean to be fair I think we will know for certain which house this is in the next episode

[mighty scaffold]

That's funny

Tim Cain however also went on record stating they wanted to have twice as many vaults in nv

So it's not like the vault doesn't fit in

[tepid sable]

I still think anthony would look older given he was presumably of age when his dad died

Ok thats interesting when h and h started having its stock bought up no one knew much about rob co and its leader

This implies robert started doing this very early on

[frank ingot]

i feel ppl are hyperfixating on the body double thing... the real question is what are hank n house up to

beyond the mind control chip

[errant spoke]

It's not Anthony. Anthony House is at least ten years older than Robert House.

[upbeat pumice]

Good point but again
Anthony hated Robert

[solid moss]

Here an issue
We don't know pre-war house

[tepid sable]

Closer to 20ish

[tepid sable]

And what we do know suggests a petty, aggressive and home bound person

[solid moss]

Just a man looking to release his anger on some working class people

You know becuase they keep complaining and weakening house in terms of money and destory his products, etc

[tepid sable]

What i do wonder is if the three casinos house chose for new vegas infer something about him
Gomorrah
The tops and the ultra luxe

[solid moss]

So he likes to drug people, scam people and eat people?

[frank ingot]

i know hes a prewar businessman, that alone says enough

[tepid sable]

I meant the casinos themes, though the fact he encouraged the mafia idea for gomorrah is interesting

[solid moss]

Because he likes vegas history?
Let the man do whatever he wants with the tribes

[tepid sable]

Also when house started buying out the tool company the ceo of rob co was not public knowledge

In fact the company is described as a maze

[frank ingot]

yes the bottom line is he took over a bunch of companies, including his brothers but i dont think thats anything too crazy

prewar businessmen were all just smaller versions of vault tec executives

[tepid sable]

Its the fact no one could find out he ran rob co despite being its founder-that implies he was quite secretative

[frank ingot]

every big company would have been trying to out compete each other in extreme exploitation in the run up to the great war knowing it was all going to end anyway

[tepid sable]

Agreed but i find the fact house not being known as ceo of the company he founded to be odd

But going back to vault tecs corporate get together is it not odd posiedon energy is missing of all companies

[worthy warren]

What if the house who ended up in the life support pod was actually the body double

[tepid sable]

Possible

[lament lichen]

Could even explain any personality differences between Show House and NV House.

[tepid sable]

Though most sources think the one at vault tecs meeting was the double

[untold socket]

It got confirmed by multiple sources it is Robert in the bar.

[untold socket]

I don't know why people try to think this deep, when it's literally just Robert House bragging about H&H tools being HIS OWN COMPANY, and that the Unionists are stupid for complaining about a Man - thinking he's the worst why STILL filling his pockets. Using his own company DAILY. In a way calling them sheep, cattle, they don't have the brains to figure it out. They are just part of the masses. It's like complaining about a specific ingredient in food that one man mad, but yet you still use that ingredient, in everything not knowing that the guy you're complaining about made the ingredient.

[untold socket]

Probably not this either, because the point of Robert being the way he was in the Cryopod is a DIRECT relation to Howard Hughes. How we find Robert in the pod is a straight reference to Howard Hughes and the way he looked when the polices discovered him and had to use dozens of means of identifying the body. Because it was that far gone in terms of Howard Hughes being a recluse.

It's intended to be a 1 to 1 reference.

And anything would be dead already unless he somehow became a ghoul as much as people don't want to acknowledge it.

Here's more with Amazon straight up confirming it.

As well as it's silly and illogical to assume a big time actor was specifically hired to play Anthony.

[worthy warren]

I mean yeah we know this for a fact

[worthy warren]

Woah ranger armor confirmation

[untold socket]

Yeah, Rafi's character at the meeting table is probably the House body double that they have been interacting with for God knows how long, and they're none the wiser.
Which is why when Coop visits that body double is specifically the one that brings him up to Robert.

[worthy warren]

I mean Rafi is the one on the tv

[untold socket]

Yeah, they weren't lying about NCR playing a big part later.

[worthy warren]

It’s blatantly obvious that rafi is the double like we know for sure idk how people are still confused

[untold socket]

It's willful ignorance I feel, one read through of the lore and you can see their dislike for each other wasn't one-sided. And given the timeline, Anthony's insanity is at it's worst WHEN Robert buys out H&H the show is implying he's done that. So Anthony is losing his mind atm.

[worthy warren]

Also Robert owned part of H&H after his father died and still wants the company. He would still be nostalgic and feel ownership of the nail guns

Even if he may not own it at the time of the show

People also are too conspiratorial about who Hank is talking to

That’s clearly house but people try to make everything a twist

[untold socket]

Exactly because H&H was intended for Robert and Anthony to rule together. Hence. H&H, House & House.

So when Robert got pushed out of the inheritance, best believe he plotted his takeover. And took his damn time to ensure that plan to take H&H back succeeded.

[worthy warren]

It’s funny, people will see a single town get nuked and assume a whole country is dead. But when we have stuff spelled out for us they don’t believe it

[solid moss]

Well...
we literally debated over if that was anthony or not
So many people are assuming that hank is talking to is either house or the enclave

[worthy warren]

The enclaves old stomping ground is Vegas?

[solid moss]

To be fair
Both are good answer
Neither are bad choices
I believe it house but i dont disagree that there is a chance it can be the enclave

[worthy warren]

What he says doesn’t make any sense

If you assume it’s enclave

[untold socket]

Yes, but there are also words to make you think it's not House either.

[worthy warren]

Like?

[untold socket]

House and begging in the same sentence? In what world, there is no chance House would beg anyone for anything.

[worthy warren]

Can you cite a whole sentence here?

[solid moss]

Just to make things easy for us
I do believe its house and not the enclave but i am not gonna pretend enclave cant be a possible choice

[untold socket]

Hank implying that House would have to beg him specifically for help is crazy.

[worthy warren]

I’m at work and can’t pull it up

[solid moss]

"You are going to beg me to help you"

[untold socket]

I'll find the quote.

[solid moss]

Its something close to that

[worthy warren]

It’s him trying to play hard ball negotiations

[worthy warren]

So the enclave used to be based in Vegas?

[solid moss]

There also another quote where he says
Reporting for duty sir

Thats not really house ways
House speak more straight foward and doesnt fancy around agent talks

[lament lichen]

Hank's legitimately delusional if he thinks House'd ever beg for some jumped-up coffee boy's help.

[solid moss]

There always the possibility of a different enclave base but i dont think so

[worthy warren]

Yeah it’s Hank being a suck up middle manager

[worthy warren]

Bro its business talk, he doesn’t expect him to actually beg

“This deal is so good you are gonna practically beg to buy this refrigerator”

You are taking it far too literally

He isn’t expecting houses corpse to fall to his knees, he’s just saying it’s a good deal

[untold socket]

The full quote from the transcript is,

"This is Hank MacLean, reporting for duty, sir. Nobody in Vault-Tec knows I’m here. And nobody in Vault-Tec knows much of anything anymore. Wanted to let you know I’m still alive. I hope you are, too. I mean, I don’t doubt that you are. You spent so much time… calculating how to survive all possible contingencies. Uh, I’ve been keeping busy. I’m in Vegas these days, back in your old stomping grounds, actually… trying to pick up where you all left off. Looks like a couple of the Vault experiments ran into some speed bumps. 24 made progress on the brain-computer interface. This one, miniaturization. What it all needs is integrating. But I’m confident that if I just roll up my sleeves, I can bring it all home for you. Then, we can finally talk about my promotion. [blows sharply] I’m gonna complete the work you started. And when this is all over, you will be begging me to help you."

[untold socket]

I do think Hank is delusional and overplaying his hand, if it's House, cause I do believe House is beyond caring about the chip.

[worthy warren]

Yeah he’s clearly talking to house lol. Houses whole thing is calculating probability and business

[untold socket]

But if it's anyone else, it can work - and they might be interested in it.

[worthy warren]

This is bravado business man talk

[lament lichen]

Enclave in particular would probably have more use for it than House; latter always struck me as preferring bread and circuses over goofball mind control shenanigans.

[worthy warren]

Except that we literally see that it’s his technology

[untold socket]

The thing to consider is that if House still cares about the Chip or not.
And House wouldn't have a use for it, post-war probably. That's more of the defeating part to the idea for it being House. Mind you im not against it, either Enclave or house can play out. I'm just saying. House's part assumes a lot of House's intentions specifically post-war.

[worthy warren]

Like I just don’t see how what Hank says could be referring to the enclave. Mention of Vegas, calculating probability, plus the fact that vault tec is in the pocket of the enclave

[untold socket]

Coop implied House didn't own all of Vegas.

[worthy warren]

? He implied the opposite in fact that he did own all of Vegas

[untold socket]

I'll double check, I'm almost sure he said House owned only half of it.

I have the transcript i'll just find the quote, I could be wrong.

Give me a sec.

[worthy warren]

I think he said more “he owns half of Vegas” like it’s a lot not that it’s not a lot

The implication is as that he was practically in complete control of the city not the opposite

[untold socket]

Yeah he does say specifically, half of Vegas -
"Yeah, I’m familiar with Robert House. The guy owns half of Las Vegas."

I'm not saying that he isn't in complete control or doesn't have a good grip on it. But if he doesn't own the city in it's entireity, it's possible there could be other people involved with Vegas, too.
But we might just disagree, there. Which is fine. lol

[solid moss]

Its literally house

The enclave is just an alternative option if for some reason its not house

[untold socket]

I'm in agreement with you, lol I was just speaking in terms of an alternative.

[solid moss]

Yes
But here a bigger one
The heck is hank working for house for?

Like my guy
This guy was with vault tec and then suddendly shown to be somehow working for house?
This guy is interesting

[frosty tapir]

theres more to it that we dont know cause house wouldnt work willingly with the guy who nuked shady sands actively ruining his own planning

[lament lichen]

Though I'd have to think he was working for House pre-War; ain't no way he'd sanction Hank nuking Shady Sands and wrecking his primary income source.

[frosty tapir]

exactly lol#

[worthy warren]

How would house know

[solid moss]

That a good point
I dont think hank would just go around and say
OH I NUKE SHADY SANDS!

[worthy warren]

Nobody besides moldaver seemed to even know who nuked shady sands

Most people would assume legion or BOS

[frosty tapir]

I suppose that could be a direction they take it, hanks final line does seem to suggest hank is pulling his own strings with making house "begging to work with him"

[solid moss]

the legion?
I will be surpseid if the legion has access to goddamn nukes

[worthy warren]

Bro you can find nukes just laying around in fallout

[lament lichen]

And given the existing bad blood between the NCR and Brotherhood, the NCR would've jumped at the opportunity to blame the Brotherhood.

[solid moss]

I know but still

[worthy warren]

You can visit abandoned nuclear facilities with shelves of them in basically every game

[frosty tapir]

i wouldnt be surprised if the bos just claim themselves to be the one to nuke shady sands since they did land there straight after

[untold socket]

House could've recruited him to be an inside man. It's House's MO with other companies and corporations.

[worthy warren]

It wouldn’t fit their image to claim it but it would fit the NCRS view of them

[lament lichen]

Nuking Shady Sands also frankly seems like a step too far for even the Legion; they presumably prefer to rule, not lob nukes like they're a 76 player farming for flux.

[frosty tapir]

im surprised the bos arent more concerned with the idea someone else has access to nukes that isnt them or the ncr

[solid moss]

Yes
I wouldnt be suprised if he was caught off guard if hank is alive

[worthy warren]

A post dam loss legion with a possibly dead Caesar would

[frosty tapir]

i think this is likely the prewar situation, post war tho who knows what hank is planning

[worthy warren]

They killed everyone in searchlight and made it uninhabitable

[untold socket]

Yeah, not that I justify it , Hank was stupid with it. Cause it hurts House's income, and it was an irrational idea in the first place. Which is part of why I'm saying Hank is overplaying his hand which will bite him in the ass in the end.

It was a retaliatory solution to an emotional problem he had about his Wife leaving him.

[frosty tapir]

i think hank is purely just doing his own thing but idrk what hes planning on doing, like im unsure if hes even still working with vault tec rn

[untold socket]

And he justified it with Vault Tec logic.

[worthy warren]

Hank is in it for himself

[frosty tapir]

like hank left for vegas of his own volition and abandoned the 33 experiment he was supposed to be apart of and we dont really know why yet

[untold socket]

He probably has a plan. But it revolves around his ego.

[frosty tapir]

also side theory, i think house abandoned the mind control chips he developed (hence why he doesnt use them in nv) but it is vault tec that kept an interest in them and thereby hank who now also has an interest in them again

[untold socket]

It sounded or seemed like, if it is House he's speaking to, idk if they've spoken in quite sometime. So you might be right in thinking House might be surprised he's even alive.

[frosty tapir]

true then again house could completely be dead by this point and hank is talking to himself lol

[worthy warren]

My bet is vault tec is going to try and sell cold fusion to house in exchange for mind control chips

[lament lichen]

The look on Hank's face if he goes to the 38 and sees House's skeleton with a nine iron lodged in its skull would be priceless.

[frosty tapir]

i mean the bos have cold fusion and by what we can see vault tec already has the mind control stuff

[frosty tapir]

lmao

[untold socket]

The Enclave had it first. Remember the scientist was the one who was creating it and lodged it into his skull.

As far as we could tell, at least.

[frosty tapir]

true acc so maybe they still have that research, and while were at it since enclave are clearly doing alot of experimentation what else have they been working on

[lament lichen]

Fellas gotta be cooking up something big if they've been spending nearly twenty years playing hide and seek with the rest of the Wasteland.

[worthy warren]

No pre war

Moldaver said she thinks that’s why vault tec is going to Vegas

[frosty tapir]

ohh yeah i get u

[untold socket]

Yeah.

[untold socket]

Yeah this is why I said as far as we know, cause who knows how it ends up in the Enclave's hands.

[frosty tapir]

i feel like if house had cold fusion he wouldnt have even needed the platinium chip, like a big reason why house doesnt do anything for so long is that it isnt until the NCR pop up that he can get energy to turn vegas into a real city for people from hoover dam

[untold socket]

Yeah so the plan might not work out in the way that Vault Tec sells him cold fusion, which is how the Enclave ends up with it.

[lament lichen]

Maybe Moldaver/Coop sabotages that deal?

[frosty tapir]

true and this fits a bit better with house wanting to do his own thing and not get involved with vault tec or the enclave

house in the trailer suggests that coop somehow plays a part with how the world ends which is a crazy line if you think about it

[untold socket]

Mhm, or something occurs where the deal doesn't facilitate. This is speculation, but Robert and Coop seem to spend a decent enough time together pre-war judging by some of the scenes.

[lament lichen]

Which then makes me think perhaps Coop had a hand in delaying the Platinum Chip's arrival somehow.

[frosty tapir]

na i feel like coop was too busy getting kicked out of hollywood and entertaining kids birthday parties just before the war

which further begs the question of how he could possibly be involved with the end of the world

[untold socket]

Yeah, cause it is confirmed the platinum chip arrived due to the Securitrons being upgraded in the trailer. SO - we do know the arrival happened post-war.
the question would be how it got delayed, and what Coop's role might've been pre-war to fit into the end of it.

[worthy warren]

Once again plans are just plans, not what’s gonna happen

[lament lichen]

And then there's the walking question mark known as Moldaver to account for.

[untold socket]

I am curious if they will show how she survived.

[frosty tapir]

ye it gets me thinking tho i wonder if house really wanted cold fusion and then if he did imagine the situation in nv if he had both cold fusion AND the platinum chip arrived on time bro would be unstoppable by the 2280s

i cant wait for the prewar flashbacks to catch up to the day the bombs drop then we get full circle where we have one full straight timeline of events

[lament lichen]

Seeing House's defense system protect Vegas during the Great War would be cool.

[frosty tapir]

they could totally do that tbf and yeah thatd be awesome

[untold socket]

House could've had too much faith in his plan, and the platinum chip being delayed is what fucked him over. Which is why he denied cold fusion, or something.

[frosty tapir]

true true

[lament lichen]

Not like he hasn't been blindsided before, considering Benny of all people bamboozled him.

[untold socket]

^

Yeah it would fall in line with, most of his plans work - but not all of them, but more times than not, they do. This just happens to be one of the few that doesn't.

[solid moss]

I think house is using fision power to power the lucky 38

If i recalled and correct me but when you siding with house, the reactor in the lucky 38 can literally be self sufficient

[untold socket]

Could be, it would be one retcon I wouldn't mind personally.

[solid moss]

Like i said
His reactor is self sufficient

That means he literally can make renewable energy enough to power up lucky 38
And he even admit that it takes a lot of power, even with the dam supporting it

[frosty tapir]

i think that was more a failsafe for the battle of hoover dam he uses el dorado substation to redirect some power to the lucky 38 to jump start his own reactor in the basement so that if the legion damages hoover dam the lucky 38 and his control over the securitrons wont go out

on the other hand cold fusion is just unlimited free energy (which is kind of a wild concept lol)

[untold socket]

There's a lot of renewable energies. It could be thorium for all we know, it's pretty renewable. But we'll have to see, like I said im not opposed to it.

[jolly dust]

At least in the trailer I saw house really just says “I know you came to Vegas to kill me…I don’t know how you you play a part in ending the world, but you most certain do”.
It’s not clear if those clips actually belong together yet or not, and the ‘kill me’ part could very well be a different scene than the ‘part in ending the world’.

But assuming they’re not separate and are all directed at cooper, if the context is Coop coming to vegas with his wife, the high up in VT, and house knows VT has questionable plans to end the world, then when the spouse of one of those VT people shows up to kill him I think it’s very reasonable just on its face to basically say “you’re clearly connected to what’s going on here, even if I don’t know how”

[worthy warren]

Coop was a big deal in getting vault tec its popularity and gaining acceptance among the population

[untold socket]

He was, but Vault Tec could've just used him for their ends and would have no problem casting him aside, I think. Especially cause look at Bud, dude was actual integral to their schemes and they stuck that fucker on a roomba robobrain.

[frosty tapir]

i still think that vault 33 is only just one aspect of vault tec and its not like their main thing or anything even though they have prewar employees there

[jolly dust]

in the context of 'how could Coop be involved with the end of the world in House's eyes', all that really matters is that Coop was super visibly connected to Vault Tec, as well as privately; whether or not they would be willing to cast him aside doesn't change that

[untold socket]

Yeah but I think the line might be more deeper than that? I have to feel like if house is gonna mention it, it's something more significant. But I could be wrong and reading too much into it.

[jolly dust]

The reality is that it’s a trailer intending to get people talking and read too much into it haha

[jolly dust]

Actually I do think they might be seperate. This section is the "Mr Howard...I know you came to Vegas to kill me", but the "Mr. Howard" part is voice over, not said on screen.

And then this is the "I don't know yet how you play a part in ending the world...", which could certainly be the same scene talking to the same person, presumably Coop, but it could also easily be a different scene or talking to a different person.

Either way...trailer editing intentionally obfuscates lol

[frosty tapir]

excited for that scene cooper and house interacting

next episode too, christmas eve gonna be awesome

[jolly dust]

100% agreed on both counts

[silver belfry]

@mighty scaffold right there

[hallow flint]

@gray basin

[untold socket]

He'll try to justify it and say it's a red herring, even though all lore points to Robert Howard, and it's impossible for it to be Anthony. Lmao

[hallow flint]

Helmetless Maximus in season 2 ❤️

It’s official

[untold socket]

Actually a cute picture of the two of them. Lol

[frosty tapir]

how uncomfortable must that chest piece be for the actor lol

[untold socket]

Imagine if Maximus defects to the East??? Would be an insane twist.

[upbeat pumice]

If he's defecting to me it seems like he's defecting to the NCR

[hallow flint]

He can’t. Atleast Not yet

Power armor vs power armor

Could be elders in the back. Or clerics

[frosty tapir]

PA on PA boxing match?

[hallow flint]

Yes I’ve read about this in a review

[frosty tapir]

that sounds awesome

[upbeat pumice]

Ah
So this is why the Ghoul was falling

A little misunderstanding

[hallow flint]

She probably gets taken by her father after this

So it’s two knights fighting a securitron

[silver belfry]

seems like its inside a bunker

[worn ruin]

I'm guessing the two have to flee the Strip due to the Deathclaw and get into a fight over what to do next

[hallow flint]

Hank got him 💔

[upbeat pumice]

-# ...you have NCR related stuff, perchance?

[hallow flint]

Unfortunately no

[lament lichen]

Dangit.

[worn ruin]

The video of the two Dogmeat animal-actors showed the camp Lucy & The Ghoul stop at, seems to match the general appearance of the Ranger outposts in NV, you can also see someone in what looks like vet ranger gear

[hallow flint]

Oh

[lament lichen]

Which then would beg the question of why exactly a bunch of presumably NCR fellas are sticking around in the Mojave rather than bailing back to their home states or whatever's left of it.

[worn ruin]

Probably similar to Van Buren, no communication with the heartland, and the mojave wasteland is too dangerous to trek back through

[upbeat pumice]

Either that or the NCR still are somewhat organized after the whole Shady Sands ordeal

I'm vouching for the latter

I want to vouch for that one

[daring mason]

I always knew it was on the atomic wrangler

Ill scream if lucy just mocks him with
"AINT THAT A KICK IN THE HEAD!"

[daring mason]

My boy doesnt deserves a t60... But rather t51b 🔥

[upbeat pumice]

I mean
That was kinda obvious

[daring mason]

Kind of weird btw

[upbeat pumice]

Actually no I'm full on vouching for that option
Being capable of making a new type of power armor should speak well of your faction's general well-being methinks

[daring mason]

Yall realize we are going to see the t51b at the tv series?

[upbeat pumice]

Explain
I mean yeah a bit of a crashout to just punch a guy out of a window but like

[daring mason]

They been telling we Will see a Canada flashback

[frosty tapir]

t51b probably wont be in the anchorage flashback because most likely cooper will be in holywood by the time t51b was shipped out to the frontline

he likely served much earlier in the conflict when they only had t45

conjecture on my part here but im kinda hoping the flashback is set when the americans first use t45 and we see how much of an advantage power armor provided on the alskan front

[worn ruin]

The quality is low but they look to be wearing some sort of duster but it doesn't look like the Ghoul, definitely wearing some sort of shoulder armor which matches the Ranger armor (the show seems to be using the advanced/elite riot gear from Lonesome Road as the standard vet ranger armor)

[daring mason]

Anchorage couldnt get a flashback
Due Anchorage was the cherry on top to later on getting the bombs out

[daring mason]

Imagine if they were cowards to show a canon ending but they show up the courier

[frosty tapir]

anchorage might be the wrong term i meant the chinese invasion of alaska as a whole which starts over 10 years before 2077

t45 rolls around within a few years of the invasion but t51 only appears way later

[mighty scaffold]

Probably because H&H tools is Anthony's company

[frosty tapir]

i mean it was also the House family business and then later it was Robert's business after he used robco to take it over

other than that one line nothing suggests that anthony has anything to do with the tv show, all traielr footage, interviews and reviews indicate its just mr house using a body double

[lament lichen]

And honestly, why would Robert ever work with the brother who robbed him of his inheritance?

[frosty tapir]

yeah like the mind control theory doesnt even work cause we clearly see him testing those devices in ep1 so he wouldnt have it fully operating to use on anthony by this point

[untold socket]

T45-d. In the Anchorage flashback, Coop is wearing T45, unless others are wearing it - Idk. But.

[untold socket]

It WAS his - It's Robert's now, not Anthony's. Robert took control of it, hence why H&H tools is on the Securitrons. Robert bought it out from his Brother and assumed a hostile takeover. He tortured Anthony and Anthony stayed an employee and H&H for years after he lost his position before he snapped. Atp you're either flat out ragebating or just refusing to read. Lol

[untold socket]

And it would have to showcase Anthony losing control of the device, and snapping, too. Otherwise there's no way. Cause the whole Dungeon of H&H in New Vegas was dealing with the Robots Anthony used to kill himself and all the employees.

[silver belfry]

H&H was given both to Anthony and Robert as inheritance. If u read the lore, Anthony hated Robert because he wasn’t his “real” brother and kicked him out of that company.

if you read the terminals which i highly recommend you do. Anthony House died alone due to faulty security and fired everyone in his company for being so paranoid everyone was after him

While sure he shares paranoid qualities like Robert. He was incredibly schizophrenic

again READ THE TERMINALS

[untold socket]

He didn't fire everyone, he trapped them inside H&H and killed them which is . . . a huge difference lol. Which then turns it into a Deathtrap for centuries, the security system was anything but faulty, he rigged it to kill the employees cause he believed they were working for Robert.

The security measures are listed as outlandish, but not faulty.
"In the end, Anthony's paranoia came to a head on June 19, 2077. Having lost faith even in Cindy-Lou Kreb, convinced that every single one of his employees was in on the conspiracy and that Robert House was coming to physically remove him from his office, he locked down the factory and activated its security systems, refusing to go down without a fight. His actions turned the H&H Tools factory into a deathtrap for centuries to come."

[silver belfry]

Overall we know its not Anthony because we know how he ends off vs House

[untold socket]

Very true. ^

[mighty scaffold]

Interesting

[silver belfry]

It also doesnt make sense why Anthony would use Robert as some sort of mascot for a company he doesn’t even know aka Robco. He owns H&H and Robert also owned and probably helped develop the nailgun

[frosty tapir]

i mean we know its not anthony because the cast literally tell us theyre both playing robert house

[untold socket]

Robert had to have known because Nailguns were integrated into Construction Protectrons. Which were designed and created by... RobCo. Robert's company.

So you're definitely correct some level of knowledge, Robert had to have known.

[flint adder]

^^

[untold socket]

Yeah, the issue is too many people get into the weeds and scream, "RED HERRING, RED HERRING, THEY'RE LYING" without really doing surface level reading and looking at basic context clues. Lol

[lament lichen]

Surprised no one’s pulled the media literacy card in those arguments yet.

[daring mason]

I think we all are protecting ourselves due they probably gonna ruin Mr. House character lmao

[lament lichen]

Or at least make it more difficult for NV players to justify doing House runs to themselves.

[upbeat pumice]

Literally just seen pre-war House
Chill out with the pitchforks

[daring mason]

Sorry 😔

[upbeat pumice]

||I know something that nobody is going to be able to stop pitchforking from happening anyways||

[daring mason]

The thing is, it just seems they Will go portraying him more as evil rather grey character

[upbeat pumice]

||Trust me
People are going to forget that problem as soon as the Strip proper comes up||

[frosty tapir]

tbf we shall get more house tonight so thats exciting

[upbeat pumice]

||Even though the Strip proper being like that makes sense after Shady tbh||

[frosty tapir]

i cant tell if youre trying to be reassuring or saying that they ruin it lmao

[daring mason]

Im 100% sure at the end the prewar meeting between cooper and house Will end like
"Cooper, moldaver is mad"

[frosty tapir]

|| oh wait are you talking about how the strip is abandoned ||

[daring mason]

Cooper be like
"Yeeez, didnt thought on that one"

[upbeat pumice]

||Yep, and how those people will be mad
Spoiler it btw it might be sensible||

[daring mason]

So
What Will be the day for chapters drop out?

[frosty tapir]

idk how the wider community will take it but people in this discord seem to have taken it pretty well already cause it featured quite prominently in trailers

|| then again no faction "winning" completely i suppose is less offensive than one faction winning for certain even if it is a huge copout ||

[upbeat pumice]

||I mean tbh I'm just working based on the assumptions we made with Space Organism (who was on set btw that's based) so we could be missing something||

[frosty tapir]

|| fair, we do know that the lucky 38 is abandoned and so is the strip (theres a deathclaw running around in both) thats been locked up by freeside ||

[daring mason]

Would You rather see being adapted to the show
The enclave armor or the old goddie t51b?

[upbeat pumice]

||Plus post-war House still seems to be around so like
Not transited≠abandoned I guess????||

[frosty tapir]

both one can hope 🙏

[frosty tapir]

|| no clue tbh i do agree that those two things do seem to contradict one another ||

[daring mason]

Imagine if they just showed up Ulysses in s2 like nothing

[upbeat pumice]

||I mean again
Shady blowing up must have been a huge blow to business since the inhabitants in the Strip were just mostly NCR tourists||
||We could see some locals inside it
Maybe
Hopefully
Possibly the families are still around somewhat
Maybe||

[upbeat pumice]

||People would have still been mad lol||

[daring mason]

So, yall realize norm Will be on a quest for a water chip?

[frosty tapir]

|| ye true and after shady sands got bombed you could basically infer that every faction in nv wouldve suffered ||

[frosty tapir]

|| i do wonder what the reaction will be when the episodes release ||

[upbeat pumice]

Unpredictable

[frosty tapir]

|| personally (and i used to be a nv purist) im acc glad theyre building on the west coast, like even if my personal headcannon for the games ending are out the window now. im excited to see what they do with vegas and the factions etc ||

[upbeat pumice]

||Nah same
I was on the whole "show isn't canon!!!" asshurtingness before I saw Creetosis for the first time||

||And given I do not want to be around people like that I realized
Hey I'm just spewing other people's opinions not my own||

[frosty tapir]

|| yeah lowkey when i first saw shady sands getting nuked i was MAD lmao ||

but im kinda okay with it now and okay with seeing where they take it

[upbeat pumice]

Honestly I got the impression they were actually just making fun of it
Turns out, whole other deal

This was a tragedy and it was shown like such

Even for as little screentime as it got

[lament lichen]

||Honestly, I'm still peeved at the method they used to wreck the NCR; NCR had God knows how many ways of falling apart, from overextension to famine, that were already brought up in NV. But having it because some upjumped middle-manager from Vault-Tec had a hissy fit just feels wrong somehow in a way I still can't put to words.||

[upbeat pumice]

Sudden?

[frosty tapir]

yeah on first watch it seems like such a gutbunch given how little we see of the NCR in season 1 but now that i can tell theyre actually expanding on the NCR i dont mind them doing that anymore

[upbeat pumice]

Yeah like
If that was it for the NCR in the whole show
That would have been dissappointing

[frosty tapir]

i do get this but im hoping they will explain the bombing more like we havent actually got hanks side of the story yet just what moldover said, so surely he will expand on it

[upbeat pumice]

Plus the truck thing
This was a whole team plan

[frosty tapir]

yeah lmao then there would be pitchforks everywhere

[upbeat pumice]

I doubt Hank was acting fully alone

[frosty tapir]

truck?

[lament lichen]

Which then makes me think he had help from the Enclave on that operation.

[upbeat pumice]

Yeah in the trailer they show a nuke in a truck and what seems to be Shady
This implies it wasn't a missile launched from afar with a button but rather a planted thing a-la terrorism

[worthy warren]

Putting a single pickup truck somewhere requires a team of people?

[frosty tapir]

wait how on earth did i miss this

i literally rewatched both trailers yesterday lol

[frosty tapir]

thanks

[lament lichen]

Though considering Maximus's parents presumably had enough time to stuff him in that fridge, there probably was enough time for the alarm to be raised; not enough time for anyone to defuse the dang thing, mind you, but maybe a few minutes.

[frosty tapir]

interesting a guy seems to be wounded on the right before the nuke goes off

so this is confirmation that we do get the shady sands explanation (or some of it) in season 2 good

[upbeat pumice]

I mean yeah kinda
You don't just jury rig a nuke, drive it to the political center of a nation, plant it and detonate it in minutes all by yourself

[lament lichen]

Especially when the NCR undoubtedly would have security checkpoints around their capital.

[worthy warren]

It wasn’t the political center anymore

[frosty tapir]

cant wait for the big plot twist that maximus' parents somehow survived a nuke so that all 3 fallout show protagonist can continue the trend of searching for their family

[worthy warren]

It was no longer the capital

[lament lichen]

Plot plot twist, maybe they're Ghouls now.

[upbeat pumice]

Fair but that's besides the point
You get what I'm saying

[frosty tapir]

this has been confirmed?

[worthy warren]

You can drive a truck right now through Washington DC without being searched

[worthy warren]

Yes on the sign

[lament lichen]

Still, if Shady Sands wasn't the capital anymore, wouldn't Hank have basically nuked the NCR equivalent of Philadelphia? It'd be a leg shot for sure, but not a fatal stroke unless Kimball and his entire cabinet were in the city.

[worthy warren]

He was nuking them because moldaver cucked him

[upbeat pumice]

Look what I'm saying is that this seems coordinated
Plus if it was a single man operation wouldn't it be more sensible to just, find a silo and push a button?

[worthy warren]

He used the other vault tec stuff as an excuse

[worthy warren]

Seems way harder to launch a nuke then grab one and set it down

[frosty tapir]

oh wait yeah yo thats an incredibly good catch

[upbeat pumice]

Just transporting the nuke implies some sort of manpower
Do you know how heavy nukes are

[frosty tapir]

thats fascinating as well cause that sign would have been erected prior to the nuking but after new vegas so its interesting they made a new city the capital in between those two events

[lament lichen]

Still, if Shady Sands wasn't the capital by whatever year the place went boom, what would be its current capital? The Hub? Arroyo, even?

[worthy warren]

Bro it’s one 300ish lbs object

I think the guy could get a forkift

[frosty tapir]

hey no matter where it is this kind of means we will get to see a fallout 2 city again in the modern day

[worthy warren]

Arroyo or hub seem most likely

[frosty tapir]

seeing the architecture of arroyo would be nice

[upbeat pumice]

I still do feel like this was not him acting alone

[lament lichen]

Seeing Arroyo would be a dream, ngl.

[frosty tapir]

i think arroyo might be chosen soley to please the fans after shady is nuked

[upbeat pumice]

||Btw going back to the Strip proper
Why has no one mentioned the fact the lights seem to be on even if they are flickering||

[worthy warren]

I don’t think the strip has been infested for long

[lament lichen]

||Lucky 38 generator still providing the buildings with power, perhaps?||

[upbeat pumice]

||Hmm good reasoning
If any building seems likely to still be in operation it would be the Lucky 38 given that's House's HQ||

[frosty tapir]

what happened to hoover dam if shady sands (which is now in the boneyard) has been nuked, is it still sending pwoer to the NCR?

[lament lichen]

Probably back in disrepair; dam itself ain't collapsing unless a nuke goes off on it.

[worthy warren]

No way to know

For all we know the NCR won the second battle but lost the dam shortly after anyways

[solid moss]

The dam could have dried up, could be destory, could be useless, etc

[worthy warren]

A lot can happen in 15 years

[lament lichen]

Would be funny if that Vault-Tec bunker Hank's in is underneath Hoover Dam if it isn't in the sealed-off part of Vault 21.

[solid moss]

It would be but hank did he say he at vegas grounds so he clearly somewhere in vegas

[worthy warren]

The dam is like 30 mins from Vegas

Less if you do it from the outskirts

[upbeat pumice]

Oh hey btw
I do still think Shady is still apart from Boneyard
It definitely got closer given it seems to be in the LA County but not in LA itself
It seems to me like it is in Lancaster or somewhere near it

[solid moss]

Hmm
Well where hank is too big to be just confortable be underground in vegas

The dam in theory could be a place hank is in
Obviously there are many issues with this theory that i have developed

[worthy warren]

The vaults are fucking huge dude

[upbeat pumice]

The skyline dosen't seem like the LA skyline to me

[frosty tapir]

oh yeye i agree i suppose i meant the whole LA when i said the boneyard but ye i agree with you

[solid moss]

Yeah but this one is way too goddamn big

[worthy warren]

There is a season 1 scene and the vault looks at least 50 stories deep

That was under downtown la

[lament lichen]

Still would make the NCR state distribution weird; wasn't Shady its own state separate from the Boneyard?

[solid moss]

where is it hinited that its in dwontown la?

[worthy warren]

33

I was just pointing out that the vaults in the show are fucking huge compared to the games

[solid moss]

Yes

[worthy warren]

Way deeper

Vault tec can put a mega facility under anywhere

[upbeat pumice]

The Boneyard State could compromise the actual LA city as opposed to the pre-war county lines so Shady State can still be its own thing

[lament lichen]

Knowing Vault-Tec, they probably have a base underneath Mount Rushmore.

[solid moss]

Then that still doesnt answer how it is even maintained for that long

[worthy warren]

Robots and good environmental sealing

[upbeat pumice]

*Santa Monica but yeah we get the point
Things are huuuuuuge

[worthy warren]

Most things in fallout would be in way worse condition then the games and show give is

[mighty scaffold]

Robots

[solid moss]

https://tenor.com/view/fair-baron-zemo-the-falcon-and-the-winter-soldier-fair-enough-seems-fair-gif-22912772

[upbeat pumice]

Yeah I actually wanted to talk about it but like
The show actually is the first time I see a media thing portray actual decay of urban areas after a century or two
Like tbh it would make sense most areas comprised of suburban homes and heavily damaged buildings would just eventually succumb to the elements until a little or nothing is left

That's why the deserts in the middle of LA and all of that

[worthy warren]

Buildings in the west would actually be in much better condition then in the east

Unaddressed water damage in the east would make most building deteriorate super fast

[upbeat pumice]

That also explains the skyscrapers, actually

[worthy warren]

A well built steel and concrete structure would probably last 200 years

[solid moss]

There also the fact that the west werent nearly hit as hard compare to the east coast

[worthy warren]

But houses and smaller buildings will just collapse

There is a house in my neighborhood that been abandoned for 10 years and already looks about as bad as the average house from fallout 4

[frosty tapir]

i dont think we should pay too much attention to this given this is a universe where they discovered practical nuclear fusion before the transistor

[worthy warren]

I don’t think we need to pay attention to the fact that they did invent the transistor

[frosty tapir]

ye ik but after nuclear fusion, just saying its silly game logic

[solid moss]

To be fair
I dont mind it
But i would prefer the skelton not to be somewhere a person lives in

[worthy warren]

Yeah pull the dead child out of the only bathroom

[solid moss]

Hey its a skelton
How would you know it a child?

[worthy warren]

Maybe use one of the pieces of scrap metal to cover the massive fucking hole above your bed

[upbeat pumice]

Cover the smashed windows or smth it is getting cold in here damn

Have you people ever heard of proper sheltering

How come you figure out how to maintain power armor but not that

[solid moss]

To be fair
This issue is mainly occurs in the east coast

And lets be honest
The east coast got hit so hard that can you blame them for not bothering to fix shit than trying to survive?

[worthy warren]

I want an Amish faction to show up and be identical to the current Amish

But with laser guns

[upbeat pumice]

Fair enough

[worthy warren]

This is whatever for random wastelanders but in the settlements it doesn’t add up

[solid moss]

Fair enough

[upbeat pumice]

Fallout nukes seem to be like epsilon times worser than IRL nukes so a high concentration of them could be just, brutal

[upbeat pumice]

Megaton. Huh.
Big metal ball go boom.

[worthy warren]

If anything I’d say the seem small

[upbeat pumice]

In appearance yeah but I'm talking in payload and effects after deployment and usage

[worthy warren]

I mean, no?

Most of the single detonation sights we can find are very small direct effect

Like the White House got hit directly and its foundation is still kinda there

[upbeat pumice]

Hmm
Ok yeah fair

Still they might something else in them

[worthy warren]

Fallout seems to just have smaller nukes that were used in carpet bombings

[upbeat pumice]

That they wouldn't normally have IRL

[worthy warren]

Radiation works completely different

Physics itself works completely different in fallout and doesn’t follow our laws

[upbeat pumice]

Right I forgot about that

[shut hare]

Finally caught up.

Damn good coffee, and hot!

[solid moss]

Today is a wednesday
Goodluck gentlemen for the 2nd episode

[untold socket]

I'll see the lot of you in the episode 2 chat.

[trim niche]

Ep. 2 comes out at 2 AM for me. Wish me luck on staying awake.

[mighty scaffold]

Wait is the episode coming out soon

[trim niche]

Yes

12 AM PT

[untold socket]

Yeah, not long from now.

[mighty scaffold]

4am for me

[solid moss]

aye that would be 12 pm

[calm raven]

Less than an hour!

Lucky for me, I'm a night person

WHAT, THE PLURIBUS FINALE DROPPED TOO?!

[untold socket]

It's a good day.

[gray basin]

yes..

https://tenor.com/view/facepalm-really-stressed-mad-angry-gif-16109475

[calm raven]

Guess I'm gonna have a really fun next 2 hours then

[gray basin]

https://tenor.com/view/reasonsimbroke-larry-david-hbo-hbo-max-meh-gif-24169087

You will see

lol

[calm raven]

I'm gonna wait for fallout though

[gray basin]

yah watch fallout when you are awake tomorrow, thats what I am doing

[calm raven]

No I mean, I'm gonna wait for 25 minutes until fallout comes out, watch that first, then Pluribus

I stay up till 6am anyway

[gray basin]

Oh

[steep pilot]

tfw it’s 3am on a work day but your fallout tism keeps you awake.

[gray basin]

I’m going to bed soon lol I’ll wait to watch tomorrow

[steep pilot]

It’s in 4 minutes. You can wait another hour.

[gray basin]

lol

[daring mason]

When episode 2 drops?

[shrewd berry]

some hours ago

[pale merlin]

Imma be late for episode 2 I have a Christmas Eve w my fam

So nobody watch it cause I’m not

[pale merlin]

Why did nobody tell me episode 2 dropped

Holy peak

[daring mason]

Episode 2 dropped out?

[rose warren]

Yes it's out, as people had said. You can discuss it in #1447298446229766359

[rancid urchin]

Yeah I stayed up till 3am to watch ig

It was worth it, shit was peak

[rancid urchin]

Prime video

[royal granite]

!ban 532168939073961984 Inquiring about piracy, rule 6

[swift gate]

Banned panflin_3540

[unkempt hatch]

who else has got: "ron perlman as marcus" on their bingo card?

[gray hinge]

episode 3 is taking too long

[oblique kestrel]

Oh... This is like classic TV... only without the upside of 22+ eps.....

[hushed cove]

to be fair, each one is about an hour long

as opposed to tv which is what, 20 minutes?

[untold socket]

We're essentially getting up to 3 typical modern day tv episodes into 1.

[oblique kestrel]

Modern day 60 minute blocks are 43 minutes TV, 18 minutes ad time. Thats up from the 60s/70s which were 52 minutes TV/8 mins ads.

So for every 4 episodes at 60 minutes you gain 1 linear episode.. so you'd be talking 10 TV eps per 8 Streaming eps...

[worthy warren]

Star Trek tng was like 45 mins an episode. We trade shorter seasons for longer episodes and higher production and larger scope

[jolly dust]

….but you’d also be getting 1960s/1970s TV quality if you follow the length / ad numbers then, pretty sure you don’t actually want that trade off lmao

[worthy warren]

Shows used to be very episodic and reused sets like crazy

[untold socket]

This is so true. I miss DS9.

[worthy warren]

I’ve never tried it

Watched all of tng multiple times tho

[untold socket]

It's just as good as tng, plus recurring tng characters

[oblique kestrel]

Not to mention now days a lot of sets are digital in the first place. Once it's designed, reuse is simple. (Not saying I prefer digital sets, but they do have their place..) Also an old addage: Tight budgets force creativity. Some of the smallest budgeted things are some of the best. (See ST:TWOK, Robocop) When you throw endless money at a project...people get sloppy. (And inefficient)

[placid blaze]

the fuck you mean the great khans took over novac

BIG IRON

[steep pilot]

Early seasons were a little meh, but once Sisko got rid of his hair oh boy lol.

[signal current]

Currently watching episode 1... Neat how they used an unused vault number from the files of New Vegas for this vault

SON OF HANK YOU'RE AWESOME (I forgot your name)

[untold socket]

Yeah, they're definitely in their cut content bag, and I'm all here for it.

[signal current]

Exactly!!! Using cut content like that is smart
Especially with how, well
I'm currently IN the vault 24 scene

It's quite fun to see what they did with the thing
I feel like Hank was talking through that one guy ngl, at least it felt like it

It says those bombs could have been used for explosives in the pre-war era... But House himself said they were used to prevent most of vegas from being destroyed. I honestly don't know which is true

[signal current]

After all why not use the unused vault number that was planned to be in the mojave for the vault they're putting in the mojave?

OMFG GOLDEN PIP-BOY

"You spent so much time calculating how to survive all possible contingencies" ngl it sounds like he's sending a message to House, especially because those black boxes were a part of Vault 24 it seems

Moving to watching episode 2 now

[drifting root]

flea soup is fucking, jesus christ

[trim garnet]

So, I need to know Mariannes family tree. Cause what she describes in ep 1 sounds fucking wild

[gray hinge]

hey

that was sick

that HAD to be that specific commercial reference

[jolly dust]

well that's a BIG spoiler to be putting in ep 1 lol delete that and move to #1447296686111068221

[rose warren]

Yep keep an eye on the number episode thread you're in #1447296686111068221 for all of them, also #1447295973129978058

[gray hinge]

oh i didnt even know there were other channels my bad

[burnt quarry]

Lucy is fucking annoying

Naive bitch who for some reason didn’t learn her lesson from season 1

[blazing willow]

some big feelings there buddy

i am also upset that it feels like she hasn't really grown much as a character, same with Max.

[burnt quarry]

She litterally hasn’t and she’s still stupid

[blazing willow]

hopefully it'll rectify itself with S3

[proper ledge]

This channel is for Episode 1, you can talk about 2 in #1447298446229766359

[burnt quarry]

Well now I won’t since u deleted my message so fuck u

[blazing willow]

bruh

[proper ledge]

!mute 1458578486653485086 1d Rule 4

[swift gate]

deviant1166 muted xmcndnn for 1 day. Reason: Rule 4

[blazing willow]

you earned that one buddy