EPISODE 2

[dusky walrus]

Ok thx

[spring spindle]

am i tough?

[torpid cargo]

Furry spotted

[sand thicket]

I guess I’m that fuckin lucky

[shadow jolt]

you guys think the atom cats work with the BOS when they took over the commonwealth?

[sand thicket]

Nah realistically they would force them to give up their power armor and energy weapons fusion cores etc

[shadow jolt]

I mean they could do that or they could recruit them as scribes

since the atom cats seem to have a above average knowledge of power armors and know how to fix tinker and prepare them

[cold jetty]

No

[coarse grove]

Atom Cats are fine. They're probably chilling, or the Ataom Cats could send in recruits. Consider Megaton, as well in DC - the BoS has it entirely occupied. I'm like 99% Megaton is okay, probably just sends recruits from there, or food every now and then.

[coarse grove]

No, the BoS showed no interest in them. They were more worried about PAM.

[shy dove]

Legion spotted. Opinion rejected

[tired yew]

Pretty sure it does based on what harkness is wearing

Maybe yellow instead of orange

[pastel hatch]

Hey, I killed you before

[tired yew]

I don't think they'd have any common ground philosophically beyond a vague obsession with power armor

[cold jetty]

I doubt this will be the case but I hope the east coast brotherhood looks similar to Quintus

[tired yew]

I just hope we see more of the other west coast chapters besides the area 51 kerfuffle

[weary sorrel]

And have those other West Coast chapters actually be sane professionals who don’t jump whenever the second coming of Elijah says so.

[coarse grove]

Well, we do see a confirmation of others not coming to the meeting. So we can only hope.
But I still standby it, BoS East Heartland agenda in full swing. ✊🏿

[empty crane]

because their plate was full with the institute

atom cats has multiple t60 suits and rare parts for other suits

don't see how the brotherhood could just leave them alone

[coarse grove]

Uh, no. They could've spared the resources to handle the Atom Cats, if they were interested. They weren't. Odds are as long as the Atom Cats didn't do anything stupid with it, they're fine.

The Brotherhood has left factions alone that have specific tech - but they keep an eye on them, and just make sure they don't do anything stupid. Besides the Atom Cats are relatively harmless. They're literally just greasers who enjoy tinkering with cars and armor.

[empty crane]

they could really use the suits though

mabye they have some kind of trade going on

maxson is a diplomatic type mostly

[coarse grove]

Sure, but that's under the assumption they can't make more T60. Which the Brotherhood can, so it would be needless to fight the Atom Cats for power armor they can already re-create.

I'm pretty sure it's confirmed the Brotherhood can mass-produce T60s.

[empty crane]

I mean atom cats also have t45, t51 and x-01 parts

[coarse grove]

Maybe the Atoms are part of that deal? idk, but i don't think the Brotherhood would go after them like that aggressively - They would definitely keep an eye on them though, and probably gun them down if they stepped out of line. But the Atom Cats are harmless and just vibing. They're not really misuing tech so much as they just keep to themselves.
Atom Cats aren't really aggressive either, they vibe in their garage 99% of the time.

[torpid cargo]

Everything just seems trivial when this fact gets brought up. I’m sure it’s a slight oversight by Bethesda that mass produced doesn’t mean limited production. Like, 10 suits a month or less amount.

[eager folio]

Hmm
Tommorow we may get more answer to our questions

[eager folio]

Nope

This is a common misinfo
The BoS does not have the means to produce power armor

It has never been mentioned in any of the fallout games

[coarse grove]

Explain how tf they can have so much T60s. lol

[eager folio]

Simple
Does the BoS have a lot of T-45?

[coarse grove]

Yes ofc, but as of Fallout 4 we don't see them specifically using T45s anymore - I'm sure in the show they didn't include a lot of PAs for convience sake. It just makes it look off that they have enough T60s to supply other chapters as well.

[eager folio]

Well since the T-60 is basicaly an upgraded T-45 in a nutshell

I assume the original design of the T-60 was with the idea of upgrading existing t-45 to t-60

In the pre-war, this is basically a cost effective measure because it is cheaper to do that than trying to make more t-51

There is a good chance BoS either got schematics to upgrade t-45 to t-60 or reverse engineered it

[coarse grove]

This is somewhat of what I was looking for, that would make the most sense I think.

[eager folio]

Reverse engineer is more likely

I am pretty sure they can easily do that if they did find T-60
Once they reverse engineer then they can just upgrade any T-45 to T-60

It wouldnt make any sense if during pre-war era
They are just mkaing new T-60 and just forgetting about the T-45

Okay maybe stockpile but since the t-60 is just an upgraded t-45
It would be cheaper to just upgrade the T-45 to the T-60
It would be infact infinitely be cheaper than trying to make new t-60s

Especially since the battle of anchorage occured in the 2066 and lasted up to 2077 and t-45 was deployed during in the war, i think 2067 and t-51 around 2076
That is almost 10 years of t-45 being used
That means there is a lot of t-45s

[coarse grove]

I agree, it's just feels like, I could be wrong about this feeling - but they're making a point for T60 to showcase T60 pretty often and consistently throughout not just Boston, but the West too, since we see in the Show they're using it as well.

So my question would more so be how it would make sense as to the other Chapters to catch up to the Commonwealth using T60s when it seemed like before, they weren't using them.

[eager folio]

I dont think i understood

[coarse grove]

I'll reword it - it's almost 3am so forgive me. lol

[eager folio]

I think you need to sleep first

[coarse grove]

there

lol

[coarse grove]

Like would the assumption that the other chapters just ditched the other PAs they had to? Idk if their stockpile would be as big.

[eager folio]

Honestly
Good point, how the hell did the rest of them got more t-60s?

The east coast make sense

[coarse grove]

idk that's what confuses me the most lol

[coarse grove]

yes

[eager folio]

The west coast doesnt

Especially since they have T-51s
They have been for a long time
And its absent

[coarse grove]

YEAH. That's what I'm saying, would the reverse engineering then apply to T51s too or probably not because it was more difficult to maintain?

[eager folio]

Then again, they each have their damn prydwen so maybe the east coast really can just make power armor

[coarse grove]

Hmmm, fair.
Yeah I dunno, I'm very curious about it - I don't hate T60, I just think it's interesting there's so many outside of Boston.

[eager folio]

To be fair
Its specifically the bos we are seeing

And clearly with their own prdywens supplied
It not far to assume that they can make their power armor and schematics to upgrade t-45 to t-60 is avaliable and they kinda just swap to that

[coarse grove]

Well yeah, the NCR we see now - aside from the salvaged T45-Ds they grave-robbed off of dead BOS from Helios 1, now they have the Ranger PA too.

[eager folio]

tbf
in the trailer
we have seen a different pa so maybe we will get to see more

[coarse grove]

Yeah, also am I the only one that thinks that Ranger PA looked more rustic and scavanged/patched together in the trailer?

Especially when Maximus is running at the deathclaw

[eager folio]

well
in terms of story
It is 10x more interesting

Beside lets be honest
They cant bring t-45 cause it looks too similar to t-60

and they cant bring t-51 cause... that would a rise billion questions on why freeside just casually has a t-51 and why is maximus straight up using it when its the best pa?

and obviously they cant use enclave armor

nor any of 76 power armor

in terms of story
the scvanaged pa is more interesting story wise and signficies maximus betraying the bos

[scenic wolf]

Hey why didn't the show come out 🙁

Episode 3 I mean

[scenic wolf]

I think you're 100% right

What if this suped up NCR ranger power armor Maximus gets used to be the couriers, because we haven't seen any NCR in Vegas, yet, I'm thinking that maybe they actually go into the Lucky 38 presidential suite and find a bunch of goodies inside

[eager folio]

No no no my boy
I dont think i am 100% right
I am always right

Do not argue power armor lore with me for i am always dead set on being 100% correct
Unless fallout 76 is involved then i am useless

[scenic wolf]

We've already saw T45 on that Anchorage scene so it's not impossible

[eager folio]

T-45 has to be on anchorage

Lore wise
It wouldnt make any sense
The t-60 was made months before the nukes arrived and battle of anchorage finished at january 2077

[scenic wolf]

Quite interesting they developed t51b, took back Alaska, then said now we need something worse

The battlefield role of power armor wouldn't have changed from then so you'd think they would want the best protection

[austere tendon]

we saw behind the scenes, yes t45 is prewar Alaska for sure

[scenic wolf]

Hopefully we see some vertibird bombing runs , I also wanna see the Jets, and the XVB42 vertibird or whatever the armored one from 3 is called

[eager folio]

Not really when you realised something
They made something worse because t-51 was way too expensive

T-60 was basically a cost effective suit
Not too expensive and still provide everything they needed

[scenic wolf]

Everyone says that but has it ever been stated in lore/game once

Because I don't think it was

Because t60 was just t45 but they accidentally made the design too different, and one of the in-game loading screen tips says it was deployed on US soil for peace keeping

Pretty sure the whole idea of it being cheaper simply came from the fo4 power armor repair materials, it's never been stated in game or lore

[eager folio]

Tbf
I am also trying to find info on this and havent found much but in realism terms this is probably the case

Its very clear that the T-60 is identicial to the t-45

[scenic wolf]

Yea probably but I'm just saying it's not actually confirmed lore

[scenic wolf]

Funny cuz the show even says this basically by showing that it still has the weak point from t45

[eager folio]

and also fo4 power armor repair material should not be considered because its the same game where t-51 is weaker than t-60

[scenic wolf]

Yea

At least 76 made it stronger instead

[eager folio]

Yes
However i discuss with @coarse grove who claims that the t-51 is hardly used in the game due to the pain of repairing it and the pain of getting its blueprints

Obviously we ignoring blueprints but pain of repairing it?

[scenic wolf]

I mean in which game tho cuz it's different per game

[eager folio]

It is interesting but it make sense
It is the same armor but upgraded
It also was made faster than the t-51

[scenic wolf]

In fo1 it's all the BOS uses, enclave uses it too in fo2, fo3 there's only 2 sets, nv bos uses it mainly with some t45, then back to fo4 they're using t60 but that's only because it was supposed to be t45, 76 the bos again is using t51b albeit only a couple members actually have the armor tho

[eager folio]

The T-60 just like the T-45 was made very quickly and fix major flaws
I guess the plating was just ignored

Then again
Its look REALLY small

[scenic wolf]

Also tho how does t51b not have the weak point

It's literally got the same part in the middle the ghoul exploits

[eager folio]

Because....
I actually dont know
Tbf this was introduced in the show

We dont know if the t-51 has the same thing

[scenic wolf]

If anything it looks weaker on t51b because it's literally like leather on t51b at least with t60-45 it's metal

[eager folio]

Also side note
Is that 76 images cause damn the t-51 looks clean

as well as the t-45

[scenic wolf]

I know but also being a gamer and lore nerd we learn that t51b is why we took back Anchorage so I felt like the show was implying it didn't have the weak point

[scenic wolf]

Yea I think so if it was fo4 it'd be rustier

[eager folio]

That case is true
Also as a lore nerd
The T-51 took 10 years to make and had many delays
The T-45 was made but was rushed and had many issues
The T-60 also was made quicker as it was after the T-51 and remidner
Deployment of the T-51 was around 2076 and the war ended at 2077 and t-60 was made and was in production months before the nukes came
So yeah, they had like 1 year

So basically
The T-60 had the same issues as the T-45 because like the T-45, it was also rushed

[scenic wolf]

Makes you wonder if maybe t51b was the first armor they worked on and realized how awesome of an idea it was then decided they needed to pump out crappier versions as battlefield test runs to work out what needs to be done to make t51b perfect for its job

I mean I always assumed the number scheme was when the armor was made but obviously that's not the case if t60 came out in 2077

[eager folio]

To be fair
That what they pretty much did with t-45

The T-45 worked at the job it was designed for
Carry heavy weapon with the mobility of infantry

[scenic wolf]

Also wait a minute, the show implies vault tec made power armor when it was West Tek, unless maybe they're just going to say West Tek is under the vault tec corporate umbrella

Because Bud says he personally worked on the t45 project

Hmm

Cooper Howard did movies after he got out of the army right

Wonder if that means he wasn't there when Alaska got liberated because if he was he wouldn't have enough time to do a movie career

[eager folio]

Okay now i am confused

Vault tec made power armor...

[scenic wolf]

Is that an AI overview or from a wiki

Because ai over views fuck up shit often when it comes to undefined lore

[eager folio]

Usually when i am lazy, i just asked microsoft ai to tell me

[scenic wolf]

Fair

[eager folio]

but this one
no this one i need to manually find

[scenic wolf]

Like I'm 90% sure West Tek isn't apart of vault tec in the games, the show tho, who knows

[eager folio]

Yeah cause i am like
Since when did it mention vault tec owned this company?

[scenic wolf]

Pretty sure never

I remember even asking deep lore nerds before that have all the receipts for this shit and there wasn't a connection outside of the name sounding similar

Unless this is lore from 76 which then that's fair I don't really read shit in that game

[eager folio]

Yep never

Especially since the CEO of company was also present in season 1 vault meeting

[scenic wolf]

Now I am pretty certain tho that West Tek and Med Tek are linked

[eager folio]

You dont do that if you own that company

Wait med tek?

[scenic wolf]

It's in fo4 I think that's the name at least

The place you go where all the gunners and raiders got gassed with hallucigenics

[eager folio]

Okay i just had to quickly check if something wrong with microsoft ai and it is

[scenic wolf]

Yup figured that

[eager folio]

Sigh
Is there a way to remove it please?

I dont want this ai to just confuse the shit out of me

[scenic wolf]

Seems like the show might not bother even having West Tek mentioned in it despite its massive importance and impact on the world of Fallout

[eager folio]

I was so confused on why the ai mention vault tec owned west tek

I was like
EXCUSE ME
SINCE WHEN?!?!

[high sandal]

Just don't trust ai. This is what it does, especially on niche shit.

It doesn't know anything and can't by design. It can only predict.

If the bulk of people are saying what you want then it'll get it right. If the majority of people are asking how many r's in Berry then it says strawberry has 2 r's.

[turbid radish]

I mean he said it was a fault in the weld, if you look where the chest part meets the stomach t-51 clearly has bolts there unlike t-45

[errant bobcat]

you can't switch it off unfortunately which is annoying

only other alternative is using a different search engine

[astral rapids]

They did mention it

[cobalt pine]

Where as the t-60 uses t-45 design as a base

[cobalt pine]

Bud moved companies

I kinda want lucy to meet yes man

[astral rapids]

Yes man turns into no man after the events of new vegas from being traumatized

[lofty needle]

Valid of him

[cobalt pine]

That voice and lucy just seem a fit made in heaven

[coarse grove]

Both repairing it and maintaining it is expensive compared to T60, as well as like I said no NPCs use it in the BOS. I think the one unique T51b piece WHICH IS in fact stronger than T60 is a prototype that was never released? It's in that one factory quest. I can't remember.

But even in 76, the Expeditionary Brotherhood that replaces Taggerdy's Thunder only uses T60.

[eager folio]

Ah welcome back
How was your sleep

[coarse grove]

Ah, thanks. It was pretty decent.

Woke up to make the wife and I hor chocolate before the day. Am reading some stuff in the middle of it.

[eager folio]

Now this is the first time I heard you have a wife

[coarse grove]

I do indeed. 😄

[tired yew]

It's odd that the BOS has completely stopped using other power armor sets by fallout 4 and onwards, given that they should at least see some value in having more reliable suits like T-51 or APA deployed

[coarse grove]

Also in regards to your expensive statement about t51 - it seems like Ai is quoting the wiki, it's using the wiki as a reference, so let me see if I can find your original claim real quick in here.

[coarse grove]

I 100% agree with you, this was part of my confusion.

[lofty needle]

true and i imagine it wouldnt have been too hard for them to sprinkle in levelled t51 suits into fallout 4 for some bos guys

[tired yew]

They could've just decommissioned everything else for t-60, perhaps that was the only one they actually know how to produce

[lofty needle]

they dont use t51 b in fallout 3 so if they didnt bring any over and then dont know how to make that suit...

[coarse grove]

I think what Martol said is correct, instead of decomissioning it - they reverse engineered which would make the most, realistic sense as to why all the T45d is gone.

Because T60 uses T45 as a base.

[lofty needle]

true

[tired yew]

Could be an eastern bos thing then

Or at least before the show

[lofty needle]

does this mean my dreams of seeing t51 in the tv show might come true

[tired yew]

Some day maybe, probably not season 2

[coarse grove]

Yes, this is what I was curious of, I believe T60 is standard issue for East. But why would the West Knights be using it over their own, because then the implication would be Quintus never had ANY PA to begin with, then.

Because all we see him have is T60.

[tired yew]

Quintus is positioned in such a way that his main pre-NCR stronghold would probably be lost hills if he had any fortified positions at all

At least as far as positions we know about go

[lofty needle]

tbf quintus' chapter might have been incredibly small and weak before the east coast pulled up to give them a supply drop

[coarse grove]

I don't really believe any Lost Hills positions until I see some hard confirmations or anything like that. I'm more so just discussing what we see in the show specifically.

[coarse grove]

This is what I was wondering.

Which might be the case.

[tired yew]

The reinforcement thing could be what happened but at that point it might've been more in the east's favor to just do it themselves

[lofty needle]

for the tv show it also might just be for the showrunner's sake we only see t60 in season 1 cause otherwise they'd have to make multiple uniquely designed suits and thats alot of effort

[lofty needle]

also a good point lol if they brought a whole airship to the west why didnt they just hunt for the scientist themselves

[coarse grove]

This was also a point I brought up last night, it might just be for convience sake in terms of affects for the show.

[tired yew]

This is what I assumed too

[lofty needle]

ig it would be easier for tv show only viewers as well since then you have the t45 only being in the alaskan flashback

[tired yew]

I also doubt Titus could elevate a bunch of knights fast enough to have them in suits as soon as suits were dropped off, and if those knights came from the east that just raises more questions

[coarse grove]

You are correct, those would be 76's PA designs, which are some of the cleanest we've seen of any variant, so far. They all look good.

[tired yew]

There seems to have been some prior interaction between the western chapters and the Commonwealth so it could've just been one of a few doctrine changes that emerged as a result

[lofty needle]

im a bit confused on if there are commonwealth knights in quintus' chapter because surely those knights in area 51 who were playing with grenades and such arent eastern ones

[coarse grove]

As far as we know, those Knights were Quintus's own.

[lofty needle]

that makes sense

[coarse grove]

It looked like only 5 knights the Commonwealth dropped off, 1 dies - Titus - we see in the show, there is more than 5.

[tired yew]

Titus is a commonwealth knight?

[lofty needle]

even then im surprised titus was eastern just looking at his behaviour although maybe his behaviour is what got him sent west lol

[coarse grove]

Apparently. Yes. At least his wiki page says so, unless it's incorrect.

[tired yew]

He seemed to have no idea what the fuck they were doing looking for the scientist and was just pissed off in general

[coarse grove]

He speaks about the Clerics, which implies their zealousness.

[coarse grove]

Yeah, it's safe to assume he was a bad knight cause he's the only one that died

we see the other 4 are safe and sound.

They were the ones ready to execute Maximus when he returned, it look like

[tired yew]

It's hard to say who's who with the faceless/nameless ones

[coarse grove]

But like I said, the wiki could be incorrect, I don't know 100% for certain

[lofty needle]

this is like how the only reason i ever know which one maxson is is from the claw mark on his chest

[tired yew]

They might've dropped off a detachment with some supplies but quintus must have already had some knights

[coarse grove]

So don't take what I say as fact

[cold jetty]

Doubt it. Why would they allow another knight from a different chapter to brand one of their squires?

[lofty needle]

true, one could argue he adopts quintus' chapter's customs but even then its like

[coarse grove]

This is my question as well, him being from the Commonwealth makes no sense.

[tired yew]

It could have been a punitive deployment I suppose

[lofty needle]

also if there are 4 more knights from the east, surely it was one of them that contacted maxson that led to the paladin being sent west

[tired yew]

Although for something this important I don't get why they'd screw around

[tired yew]

I didn't know that quintus apparently didn't tell the other chapters about the absence of the Commonwealth in advance, it seems likely that the Commonwealth bugged their comms or something

[lofty needle]

to be fair they didnt know it was cold fusion, just some enclave scientist who went awol, so they probably didnt even think it was that important

[coarse grove]

This is why I said the Commonwealth has been watching. 🙂

I do not think Xander was there by happenstance, I believe he was already in the area, suspecting it.

[tired yew]

Enclave scientist AWOL and not important aren't things the brotherhood sees together often

[lofty needle]

yeah im curious how xander found out about all that going on at all

isnt there a theory that dane is in contact with the east

[astral rapids]

The commonwealth bos didn't have any t51s

[coarse grove]

There has to be a mole, or the Commonwealth sent him there, before things even started to get intense - he had to have been watching from afar.

[tired yew]

He was probably en route or something

[tired yew]

But they did have ample opportunity to secure APA models which they also never use

[lofty needle]

actually surely said mole cant be dane, isn't he still an aspirant? even maximus didnt know about the meeting

[tired yew]

Dane became something scribe adjacent after the shoe incident

[lofty needle]

ah gotcha

[tired yew]

I doubt he would've been able to do anything about it though

[lofty needle]

wait didnt dane do that shoe thing to himself? shouldnt he get like reprimanded or something lol

not promoted

[coarse grove]

Dane is a scribe.

[tired yew]

Yeah that's why he was at the observatory

[lofty needle]

ah

okay makes sense

[coarse grove]

Wasn't a promotion. Dane was sent to the Observatory, they expected Dane to die with their injury.

[lofty needle]

okay that checks out

[astral rapids]

They didn't know dane did it or did Dane out their self later

[coarse grove]

Dane told them.

[lofty needle]

yeah to make maximus look less guilty

[tired yew]

Dane seems a bit critical of quintus' chapter compared to most other brotherhood characters we've seen, and he's the first scribe character they've shown us so far

[lofty needle]

we're running out of named bos members who could be the mole lol

[coarse grove]

Yes, but we already know Dane doesn't like the Chapter, which is why I'm convinced they'll do anything to subvert it.

[tired yew]

I doubt there's a mole as much as the east just doesn't leave the west as unmonitored as they assume

[astral rapids]

Someone had to snitch

[lofty needle]

this might be it tbf

hard to say but idk who the mole would be

[tired yew]

I'm curious if the emergence of clerics has caused growing animosity among scribes

[lofty needle]

if there is one

[coarse grove]

The only person being the mole that would make sense is Dane, but I don't believe Xander can know the exact words of the meeting without someone literally telling him otherwise.

[coarse grove]

Yes, Knight Titus says this.

[astral rapids]

There has to be a east coast hidden agent

[lofty needle]

but not even maximus knew about the meeting right

[coarse grove]

He didn't, Dane knew before him.

[lofty needle]

oh i see

[tired yew]

If they had knights present at the meeting they could set up some sort of recording system within a suit

[astral rapids]

Dane is likley the snitch

[lofty needle]

so it could be dane

[coarse grove]

And when Dane told him, Maximus makes excuses saying it'll be fine.

[astral rapids]

Dane cleary dosent like where the brotherhood is heading

[coarse grove]

This was before the 3 other chapters even arrive, btw.

Knight Titus's words were - Mind you, he's a coward, so take it with a grain of salt, it's not to be gospel. But what he says about the Clerics, Specifically is.
"This wasteland fucking sucks. The clerics, too. With their bullshit. Sending me on stupid missions for remnants that turn out to be... ...a fucking toaster oven. You know what you could do with a fucking toaster oven? Do you have any idea?"

[lofty needle]

does anyone remember off the top of their head who was in the PA that left with maximus when the conflict between the airships broke out?

[coarse grove]

Xander.

In the BTS pictures Magnus and others shown, Xander is in the PA with Maximus as they leave, and board the Vertibird.

[glacial orbit]

i dont think theyre a snitch, theyre just not a true believer

[tired yew]

Mmm he sounds like he's a bit of a brotherhood traditionalist

[lofty needle]

oh yeah ive seen him wear the hood with his helmet off actually and that makes sense too since they were together in the vertibird (if that event happens anywhere near the conflict timewise)

[tired yew]

It's a shame we didn't see more of Titus than just him being pissed off and dying

[astral rapids]

Who else chould be the snitch becides a brand new character

[coarse grove]

I agree, im sure we'll learn more about the specifics of Clerics, at least.

[tired yew]

They could also just not have an actual snitch

The idea of there being a snitch when there isn't one in reality would be very useful to harkness if his role is destabilization

[lofty needle]

moving back to this, it makes me wonder where is dane when the conflict breaks out

[coarse grove]

Yeah, he's with Maximus || all the way up until the finale, it looks like. ||

[lofty needle]

especially if he's not with maximus

[coarse grove]

Yeah, I don't know.

[lofty needle]

and how do thaddeus' scenes fit into the season as a whole - isn't the guy just by himself now

i know hes with the kids

[glacial orbit]

i dont think weve seenhim in s2 yet

[astral rapids]

Did they use terminals or radio to contact the other bases

[tired yew]

Probably

[coarse grove]

Radios, probably.

[lofty needle]

not yet but in trailers hes the guy with the growing infection thing

[astral rapids]

Can't you hack radio transmissions

[lofty needle]

i hope hes becoming a centaur that would be awesome

[glacial orbit]

well some of us have been avoidin gthose

[lofty needle]

oh

whoops

[glacial orbit]

lol

[lofty needle]

sorry about that

[tired yew]

I hope Thaddeus doesn't turn into a centaur that would be a pretty sad end to his story

[astral rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/йокелемене-men-in-black-light-sunglasses-gif-15516530

[glacial orbit]

;o what if he turns into like..a horse centaur

[tired yew]

Then we have a whole new problem

[lofty needle]

i want him to reunite with maximus they had some good heart-to-heart scenes in s1

[astral rapids]

You need more then one creature to turn into one so he's probably not gonna

[lofty needle]

thats actually a pretty good point

[tired yew]

I wonder if they'll ever explain how that guy got whatever that syringe is

[lofty needle]

he reminds me alot of a wild wasteland encounter

[astral rapids]

Maybe one of the chickens knew

[tired yew]

Maybe

[lofty needle]

they were in on it

[tired yew]

He seemed to know what it did which is the weirdest thing about it

[astral rapids]

Hope that guy returns even just for one esp

[tired yew]

Like he didn't tell Thaddeus but he knew he just gave him pseudo immortality

[lofty needle]

im curious to see things like centaurs and super mutants just for the cgi aspect

will it look good

so far they've done great work with vfx overall

well except that guy with the one eye who looked a little goofy but that wasnt that bad

[tired yew]

They have a pretty good track record between the bear and ghouls and radscorpions

[coarse grove]

Pain of repairing it comes from in-game. But also 76 changed the stats/uses of PA again it looks like. It also appears that T51b(not the ultracite variant which is it's strongest, but the normal version).

But the armor piece I was talking about that is insanely powerful was Piezonucleic power armor. It's a t51b chest piece prototype that never made mainline production. But the variant can change based on it's base, which can only be T51 or T45, if you look at the T51 it requires more resources to repair and maintain.

More steel and more aluminum specifically.

[tired yew]

Is this the fallout 4 version or is there also a 76 version of that legendary piece

[coarse grove]

Fallout 4, fallout 76 is just a flat resource increase to maintain and it's strongest variant, the Ultracite, is also the most expensive to maintain in-game due to Ultracite being exclusive to Appalachia and the Scorched plague.

[tired yew]

I see

I didn't know it had anything besides the AP bonus with radiation

[coarse grove]

It's interesting because I believe this is where the claim it's expensive to maintain, comes from. Because it flat out costs more resources in general. Especially when it comes to expanding on it. It is resource heavy, realistically, at least.

[tired yew]

I assumed it was more expensive in general given it being better stat wise than T-45 in every game featuring both and its development history

[astral rapids]

I dought you can get ultracite anymore

[coarse grove]

You can, it's exclusive to the plague. If the Scorched plague returns, so can the ultracite, but the Scorched plague CANNOT go away.

All that can be done is inoculate people against it, to halt it's spreading, but if anyone comes into Appalachia, gets infected, and leaves? Then it can spread outside Appalachia.

That's sort of the issue with the Scorched. They can't get rid of it, they can only halt it.

[astral rapids]

The vault dwellers stopped the plague

[coarse grove]

No, they halted it. They didn't stop it. Because if someone from outside of appalachia comes in, they can get infected.

It's why you inoculate the Brotherhood when they arrive.

[astral rapids]

They didn't halt it they killed the source of it

By killing the scorched queen

[coarse grove]

No the source is still present. This is confirmed with Steel Reign.

Killing the Scorch Queen doesn't end the source.

The Source is beyond the Queen, it's the fissures, it's in the air, etc etc.

Because if that were true, it would make no sense to Inoculate the Brotherhood when they come. Because they arrive after you kill the Scorch Beast Queen narrative wise.

[coarse grove]

This is also correct, too, it seems more of instead of outright stating that it's more expensive - they're doing the 'show not tell' approach with it.

[olive depot]

I'm curious if the ability to make fusion cores is related to the cold fusion tech from S1..

[coarse grove]

It is, at least in Area 51. Quintus implies the Cold Fusion enabled him to make as many as he needs.

But Cold Fusion may just have unique capabilities depending on where it's installed. Like in Area 51 i can produce fusion cores, but in the observatory it powers the entire city despite it being destroyed.

[olive depot]

Yea.. I'm curious at the materials involved, because in addition to meaking a FC is literally just stored, they looked new... And on the flip side, if they are just stored energy that means the brotherhood can now reload/recharge them

[coarse grove]

Yeah, which is just a continuation of the lore they placed in 76 recently where Fusion Cores and Plasma cores can be recharged in certain stations designed for it.

[olive depot]

(I'll be honest, always wished recharging them was a mechanic in the [earlier] games..)

[coarse grove]

I agree, at least we have it now. lol

[eager folio]

Wait
So you were specicially talking about some different t-51?

[eager folio]

FC will literally have endless oppertunities
This is something not even the BoS can just look away from or hell blow it up

This can literally change them beyond imagine

And it is shown
Making fusion cores, a limited supply into an endless supply

already 100s of things need fusion cores and now they can just endlessly power anything they need

Imagine needing to power up liberty prime, FC can easily power it up

[turbid radish]

I assume they are just refurbishing fusion cores and charging them

Not producing infinite cells

[eager folio]

That what happening but the ability to do that is still insane

[turbid radish]

Yeah it is

[eager folio]

Idk what they do in 76 to power it but i am gonna take a wild guess and assume its a billion times harder than just whatever Cold fusion does

[turbid radish]

Fusion cells apparently are just batteries

So they just recharge them with less renewable power

[tired yew]

They're also necessary for a lot of fusion reactors to function

They're weird pseudo batteries for power armor but seem to have a different purpose as well

[turbid radish]

They seem to be basically a battery or a form of fusion that can be recharged somehow.

In 4 they seem to be used as backup and possibly a power source for kickstarting reactors

[tired yew]

I think they're used to start fusion reactions in larger generators

[turbid radish]

They are basically what a car battery is used for

Can be used for a power source when the engine isn’t running but also helps facilitate the engine to start

[olive depot]

The thing is arguably in a car you can disconnect the battery and the car will keep going because of the alternator... but in a vault for example, you pull the core and the whole vault is powerless

[turbid radish]

In game when you take the core out of their generators the buildings remain powered

It’s critical to long lasting power generation but not short term

[tired yew]

Because in 4 fusion cores are a type of ammunition you need a basically constant supply of

[coarse grove]

No, if you remember earlier I was saying there was a piece of T51 that was stronger than T60 in-game. That piece was it, but looking at that specific T-51, it also carries to the trait of being more expensive to maintain. Cause when you go look back at all the T51 pieces to repair it requires MORE resources.

[eager folio]

Yes but
wait is this fallout 4 or 76?

[tired yew]

Bethesda could've designed them to be like skeleton keys for elevators or something that would've been neat

[coarse grove]

Both.

[olive depot]

Yea... I wasn't a fan of the mechanic.. if you take armor out, I found myself killing my core before I got where I wanted to go.. You have to vertabird somewhere, then vert back I think basically... I actually just started farming cores

[coarse grove]

This is why I like 76's lore changes because it's implied there is recipes to create them, but they're dangerous to acquire.

And then there's a means toe recharge them, but it's also rare.

So the possibility is present, and very well plausible.

[high sandal]

It does help sustain the universe, especially given a lot is based 2 centuries post fall.

[coarse grove]

I agree, I doubt it will be the last time they start adding some sort of contingency for things to make sense as to why we continuously see them 200+ years into the future. But, 76 is actually a really good medium for it. Even if it might trample on some old lore.

[olive depot]

Well considering the rarity as well, it's possible that they have a very low vampire current (basic drain) and are very static when not in use. OR they had SOOOO much stored energy in them that after 200 years we still see them as having a bunch of stored energy but nowhere near what they had when they were new. Lots of angles that are lore friendly beyond recharging. That's why 12 "Brand New" cores just about made everyone flip without hesitation since the power within would be so much more.

[high sandal]

It hardly implies a resource crisis if the government has 20,000 stocked up though.

[glacial orbit]

the strategic stockpiling caused the crisis

[austere arch]

aren't the 12 cores from this episode all charged using their new power source and not old-new stock?

[coarse grove]

I initially thought he had an old stock-pile but them being able to be infinitely charged due to cold fusion in Area 51's systems makes sense, too. It could be either.

[austere arch]

I'll check the episode later (maybe) pretty sure Quintus mentions their new power source as the reason

[dusky walrus]

It's pretty much implied, he says they make how every many they want

[blissful depot]

when does ep3 air again

[glacial orbit]

10.5ish hours?

[silver river]

I need peak

[glacial orbit]

you can peek in...10 hours

[silver river]

My parents just watched the first season we are starting s2 today I can’t wait for ep 3 to drop I get to watch it 3 times once myself once with my friend and one more with my parents

[covert galleon]

Do we know if episode three will appear early morning eastern standard time like episode two?

[dusky walrus]

I've heard people on yt saying was gonna be a centaur lol

Ik, sounded pretty weird

Maybe he'll be smth like the master

[rocky igloo]

Now I remember why I felt anxiety when the two knights were playing with the grenade, it's literally the same sound effect as super mutant suiciders

[glacial orbit]

the rest of the shows should drop at the published time of 3est

[golden kraken]

Yeah, it is

Get your nuka cola ready soldiers

Or your sunset sasparilla if thats your preference

Or vim

[torpid cargo]

Nuka Cola at 3am

[scenic wolf]

Is the episode coming out today

[scenic wolf]

Wonder where Hank got the nuke from in NV

[scenic wolf]

Huh interesting

Lucy is like the ghouls new daughter

In the prewar scene when coop is driving to Bakersfield he has his daughter and a dog with him, mirroring Lucy and dogmeat

[errant bobcat]

Tomorrow

[scenic wolf]

What time?

[errant bobcat]

Should be same time as last eps

It was at 2am for me

2pm for those living in Florida

[wet lintel]

There is probably a stockpile in that Vault Tec facility

[eager folio]

Aye when is episode releasing

[coarse grove]

In about 4 hours for me, i think.

[indigo lynx]

3 am est

12:00 am pst

[eager folio]

3 pm or 12 pm?
Not that bad

[torpid cargo]

Oh in like an hour. Shit

I’m confused why the Veteran Ranger in the shady sands scene didn’t take charge of the situation and come inspect the bomb himself. Surely he would have been the most skilled person for it.

[coarse grove]

That's what I've been saying. lol

[lyric sequoia]

How long until
Ep 3 drops?

?falloutcd

[torpid cargo]

On a second watch, the legion entrance is really goofy.
We see them just aura farming on the cliff. Then the slave just disappears. And Lucy proceeds to just wander off and we don’t address the dudes just watching again.

[rocky igloo]

9 minutes!

I really want to see a sentry bot

And an assaultron (a live one, that is)

Would make for a really cool terminator-style encounter with the main characters

[indigo lynx]

4 minutes!!

3 now

[lost marten]

When does the new episode come out

[rocky igloo]

Literally 2 minutes from now

[lost marten]

[rocky igloo]

Alright chat, I'm going dark. See yall on the other side

[indigo lynx]

Please, courier 6 mention

[coarse grove]

Enjoy lads, see you in the next chat.

[limpid copper]

okay so im watching the episode rn and i just had a look at the map behind quintus in that one scene

[coarse grove]

#1447298257972756530

[limpid copper]

oops

[hollow sphinx]

I'm watching the ||radscorpion part|| knowing my fnv character can probably kill them in like 10 seconds

[high sandal]

Yeah but look at that fuckin thang

You ain't doing it in 10

[austere arch]

gameplay != lore also

[hollow sphinx]

Wait what is this talk I hear abt NCR ranger power armor

[solar ginkgo]

NO TV SHOW SPOILERS IN THIS CHANNEL. Please utilize https://discord.com/channels/263621344124469248/1447293457092710510 by selecting an episode or https://discord.com/channels/263621344124469248/1447295973129978058 for discussion of any episodes.

[austere arch]

Don't spoil future episodes

if it is in the 3rd one. Keep it there

[turbid radish]

There is a reason why taking out the rad scorpion nest in 1 and killing the deathclaws in all games are a “holy shit wtf” level feat

Other people besides player characters basically can not do it

[sand thicket]

This new episode shows why the brotherhood is kinda fucked up ideologically

These chapters are gonna get fucked up

[turbid radish]

Are you talking about 3 in the episode 2 chat?

But the brotherhood has always been ideologically fucked since day one

[shadow bough]

I mean the bos has always been in shambles

A man that was frozen for 200 years helps them then suddenly becomes one of the highest ranks

[dusky walrus]

To be fair he accomplishes quite a bit on his own

[chrome shuttle]

Starting episode 2, seems to be semi-centered on the brotherhood since the flashback had a lot of brotherhood stuff

Ok WOW Shady Sands looks very clean it's hard to believe it became this from that town in fallout 1

THEY SAID IT!!! THEY SAID THE LINE!!!

PTMAMYWFANW

Oh lmao the guy is saying it over and over this is fun

OH.

OH NO THAT IS NOT GOOD

I feel bad for Maximus

YOOO MAXIMUS RECOVERED THE SCRATCHED SUIT

Oooo song that was on the fnv radio

50 caps on the help scream being a looped recording

3 seconds later I stand corrected.

YOOOO THAT'S A PRISTINE PREWAR CAR

This chapter of the brotherhood should perish. WHY ARE THEY DESTROYING PREWAR TECH LIKE THAT?????

I'm pretty sure 'destroying' is NOT the same as 'preserving'

Even if it's 'keep all the pretty toys for yourself' that isn't destruction

[cold jetty]

Because Quintus chapter is stupid

[chrome shuttle]

IS THAT ||THREE OF THE FUCKING PRYDWEN||

No it's EVEN MORE THAN THREE

THAT SQUIRE HAS SOME SERIOUS BALLS

[coarse grove]

It is 4 airships. || The Prydwen left in season 1 after it dropped off Knights, each chapter has it's own Airship that we see in the show. ||

[chrome shuttle]

So.... Are those new fusion cores? Recharged ones?

[chrome shuttle]

I see, interesting

So 100% the ending of fallout 4 was Minuteman or Brotherhood, most likely Brotherhood

"You're a kindly profligate" I KNOW WHO YOU ARE

OHHHHH LUCY DONE FUCKED UPPPP

Wait a fucking minute

||Paladin harkness. You know who ELSE has the name Harkness? THE SYNTH FROM RIVET CITY!||
Is this just a coincidence

[coarse grove]

Oh, so we don't spoil for others #1447298257972756530

[chrome shuttle]

Mb I thought since it was at the end of episode 2, it was fine to say

[astral rapids]

Proabbly

[tawdry igloo]

Just saw ||the BoS find Area 51. WHAT MORE WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION DO THOSE FUCKERS NEED??? Can the franchise please stop with the BoS pampering???||

[tame current]

||Kid named Civil War:||

[bleak oak]

what the helly https://youtu.be/WcAzGat2Ak4

so house nuked shady sands?

orrr maclean

oh maclean did, ussssiiiing mind control?

[coarse grove]

Yes, Hank did it.

[olive depot]

That killed me too honestly.

[bleak oak]

oh shit so they were frozen lmao

[coarse grove]

Yeah, there's probably more, too.

[olive depot]

I think there's lots of frozen to find.... which makes me believe thats how Moldenhauer made it to present day. just not a vault tech cryto.

[rain hamlet]

the whole frozen thing is very weird to me
since vault 111 was a experiment on freezing people for longer periods of time

[bleak oak]

must've been really long ass periods of time

[coarse grove]

The Vault constructions happened pre-war so we can assume that Vault 111 was the experiment version, they probably perfected it sometime after.

[rain hamlet]

so you are saying the people in vault 31 and people where Hank is all got frozen years maybe decades after the great war?

if you're going to freeze people anyway then why have a experiment like that in Vault 111?

[olive depot]

Well, 111 could have been planned for much much longer.. ie: set and forget for a millennium or 2. If VaultTec was planning on waiting 1000 years, between boom day and reclamation, it could have been the plan. Vault 31 could have been a case of seeing how people do at various levels of frozen, since you're arguably thawing someone every 15-25. years (once a generation or so?) IF the thaws start to go downhill after 200-300-400 years, then you'll identify the limits of the tech, not to mention if you start failing to successfully thaw the managers, you can rely on the 200+ years of work already done in 33 to not have to rely on fresh managers. Especially if Bud can manipulate them via intervault communication.

[astral rapids]

I think there unthawing them for some health ressaon

[viscid fossil]

https://www.tumblr.com/breckstonevailskier/804778254576812032/what-if-the-ghoul-had-told-lucy-more-specifically?source=share

"Okey dokey!"

What if the Ghoul had told Lucy more specifically why the "Tunics" didn't deserve to be helped?

I'll admit this is a question I ask mostly because the whole situation with Lucy getting caught and crucified by the Legion wouldn't have happened had the Ghoul better communicated with her.

Obviously, this communication issue is because the Ghoul is a loner not used to traveling with a companion, while Lucy insists on helping everyone. And from a narrative standpoint, the writers wanted to create a parallel to the Super Duper Mart by having the Ghoul save Lucy despite her abandoning him, just like Lucy saved the Ghoul despite his mistreatment of her.

But it makes you wonder what would happen if, instead of being vague and cryptic, the Ghoul made clear to Lucy exactly what sort of danger they were walking into once he recognized these wounded people as Legion slaves....

Tumblr · Jan 4, 2026, 3:12 AM

[turbid radish]

My assumption is vault 111 was built first. They used it as a trial for how to build cry facilities. After they learned how to build them properly they just filled it up and didn’t have a real experiment to follow

[olive depot]

Forgive my lore failing, but didn't they almost all fail anyways in 111? 🙂

[turbid radish]

They didn’t fail the institute killed them

At least that’s the assumption

[olive depot]

I'd say thanks for the spoiler but 1) the game is old, and 2) I just read it on the wiki so I spoiled myself. Didn't know it. (never got that far in the game... I'm a bad player)

[turbid radish]

It’s literally the first 5 minutes of the game lol

[olive depot]

ok..wow.. didn't pay attention at all then.

[turbid radish]

They shoot your wife/husband directly in front of you

And disable all the other pods

[olive depot]

well, that I remember..didn't remember them disabling the rest. Just saw them kill the spouse.

[turbid radish]

It’s implied by the environment and dialog and confirmed later on when he says himself he was ordered to kill everyone but your son and you

[coarse grove]

Yeah, which is why he says the line, "At least we have the backup." In reference to you.

[olive depot]

well, F4 is up for a replay.. planning on doing NV first though. 🙂

[river merlin]

I’d replay 4 but I’m just gonna build bases… might as well go build bases on 76 where people will see them

[cobalt pine]

Based on brain buds comments only 6/7 of buds buds have been thawed prior to norm screwing it up at a rate of once every 30 years

[olive depot]

What I found funny was he hit thaw all, but still only got about 30 peeples or so. and when they show a view down the vault, there are a lot more cryo tanks

[glacial orbit]

Shhh don't question the greenscreen

[olive depot]

Honestly... if it was 20 years ago.. I'd say it was a Matte painting..but... I miss the old days

[glacial orbit]

Lol

But I get it. Less actors to deal with later

[olive depot]

Alternatively they could have also done multiple levels/different angles (like a + layout) then just thaw one level/hallway. I do wanna see what happens with Bud. He can just call the overseer in V32/V33 to have him taken out of the mop bucket.

[bronze vine]

Maximus’s parents ripped my heart out 😭

I’m gonna need Hank to die

[bronze vine]

I’m excited to see Norm in the wasteland

I hope Lucy and Norm find each other and take Hank down together

[tranquil topaz]

“We were just getting started” was actually devious

[bronze vine]

Yeah, that was painful

[lapis thunder]

I never read it but I can see the vision w your synopsis. Wastelanders Guide to the Apocalypse

[bleak jolt]

Spoiler for a 40 year old novel: ||that planet of useless people ends up becoming Earth and they’re our ancestors.||

[vestal escarp]

the ghoul not explaning to lucy that the legion slaves were legion slaves and what that means is really dumb

[vestal escarp]

what the fuck happened to the brotherhood lmao

[lofty needle]

tbf to the ghoul, lucy stimpacked the random and intended to leave him there alone for multiple days while injured

[lapis flare]

same here

[cobalt pine]

Greed and fear

[tired yew]

I mean. Telling Lucy that they're slaves probably wouldn't make her less sympathetic to them

[copper shoal]

so i got sick and finally got the time to continue watching fallout S2 and i just started it

i was already saying "let's goo they finally said the line" when ||the weird caravan guy at the start came in and talked about "patrolling the mojave almost makes you wish for a nuclear winter"||

and it was legit funny, however now after i just see this, i freaked out, does this imply that ||there were ncr soldiers that were mind controlled by house?||

||https://redlib.catsarch.com/r/Fallout/comments/1pveq5y/patrolling_the_mojave_almost_makes_you_wish_for_a/||

interesting