EPISODE 2

[torpid cargo]

The minuteman could easily continue on after the main quest ends. Half their quests are building them back up.

[tired yew]

But they did talk about the brotherhood being in a very strong position in the Commonwealth

[deep drum]

That situation could very well happen in the minutemen ending

the minutemen are diplomatic, the brotherhood doesn’t need to rule the commonwealth with an iron fist

[tired yew]

Not to the same degree

[deep drum]

Yes to the same degree

[tired yew]

The Minutemen are not diplomats they are civilians

They can be neutral because they are literally an untrained militia

[coarse grove]

No because they are a Militia, which Militia's only exist until a stronger power comes into play. And knowing Maxson, he'd want the Commonwealth Bolstered under him as opposed to the MM not for sake of disliking them, but it would fortify his expansion.

[deep drum]

the minutemen could definitely co exist with the BoS

[tired yew]

But would they

[deep drum]

Well I don’t know the point is we don’t know

[torpid cargo]

You act like it’s impossible for anyone else after the sole survivor to be a leader and take the rank of General.

[deep drum]

But they aren’t gonna make the BoS ending canon

that would be dumb

[tired yew]

Besides them not acknowledging the Minutemen still supports a BoS ending because it puts more focus on the BOS

[coarse grove]

Yes because it's implied as such.

[deep drum]

Ok so what

[tired yew]

Because it pretty much is

[deep drum]

all I’m saying it’s just leaving everything around the endings of the game vague

[coarse grove]

Preston literally says you are their last hope, everything hinges on your shoulders, that you're the only one who can do it.

[deep drum]

just like how I guarantee you, they will not explicitly say what faction won the second battle of the Hoover dam.

[tired yew]

Okay so, the brotherhood is stronger and the central focus of every piece of information we get out of the Commonwealth
Therefore the Minutemen won and established a tenuous peace between regional powers?

[deep drum]

I also guarantee you they won’t say if house is still alive or not

[deep drum]

Maybe maybe not

[tired yew]

There is no evidence for a minuteman ending just as much as there's no particular evidence against it

[deep drum]

exactly my point

[torpid cargo]

Yeah, that’s before you do a dozen quests and rebuild their entire organization. By the final quest, they absolutely can stand on their own again, and someone else can take up the mantle after the hard work is done.

[tired yew]

The brotherhood ending on the other hand implicitly makes more sense

[deep drum]

it doesn’t

and now we are going in circles

[coarse grove]

But no one will or wants to. You even ask Preston to do it, and he refuses. No one wants to be the General, the implication is that only the Sole Survivor can do it.

[deep drum]

they aren’t gonna explicitly canonize any endings, they will likely just decanonize some of them.

like it’s safe to say the canon sole survivor didn’t blow up the prydwen

but anything else goes

[tired yew]

They aren't "rebuilt" per se you still have all of 2 named characters
Besides them being rebuilt still leaves them vulnerable to the issues that destroyed them in the first place (and implies things about a player character which they are trying to avoid regardless)

Without a centralized command structure the Minutemen are inevitably going to collapse after the sole survivor dies it's just a matter of when and how long

[deep drum]

The absolute worst thing that Bethesda can do is canonize a single ending

That is the cardinal sin of making an RPG

[tired yew]

They literally decanonized every single ending in NV that isn't house

[deep drum]

How

[tired yew]

Fallout 1, 2, and 3 all have canon endings

[tired yew]

House is killed in every other ending

[deep drum]

Where did they show House

[tired yew]

4 is the exception at this point

[normal veldt]

I've just realised that the Minutemen is basically the faction of fo4

[deep drum]

other than the flashbacks

[coarse grove]

Victor cannot exist without House, and Victor is active as of the TV-show.

[tired yew]

They aren't showing us this preamble to reveal a corpse

[deep drum]

They won’t reveal ANYTHING

bro

that’s my point

[tired yew]

House will absolutely be a plot point

[deep drum]

But not directly

[tired yew]

Yes directly we know the ghoul ends up in the lucky 38

[deep drum]

Like they aren’t gonna verify if he is alive or dead

we don’t know what happens there

[coarse grove]

they 100% will.

[deep drum]

bruh

[tired yew]

They absolutely will they cannot go to Vegas without verifying it

[deep drum]

They can

[tired yew]

He owns Vegas

[coarse grove]

Not just Vegas, the ghoul is IN POST-WAR LUCKY 38, IN FRONT OF HOUSE'S SCREEN.

[deep drum]

So most likely

[coarse grove]

with the House's image on the screen.

[deep drum]

If they do canonize ANYTHING

which they won’t

[coarse grove]

They already canonized the Chip delivery.

We see upgraded securitrons.

[deep drum]

Where bro

So that is a crucial part of the game no matter what ending you do

[torpid cargo]

They better chose an ending and not make up their own bullshit that doesn’t match any of the player options,

[coarse grove]

In the trailers, they're not flashbacks, literally a BOS soldier was shooting one.

[tired yew]

They showed us a house flashback in episode 1 of season 2, a house-organized vault shortly after and then implied Hank is trying to contact house and indicate that Cooper is going to interact with house before the war

[coarse grove]

you cannot upgrade the Securitrons WITHOUT delivering the Chip.

[normal veldt]

What's the canon ending for 3?

[coarse grove]

The same way Victor, CANNOT be online if House is DEAD.

[deep drum]

the chip can be delivered in both the house and yes man ending

[coarse grove]

But Victor is alive.

[tired yew]

Lone wanderer purifies capital wasteland then... Lone wanders off

[coarse grove]

Victor dies if it's Yes Man.

Victor is gone.

[tired yew]

Probably died of a cold or something

[coarse grove]

He doesn't exist.

Victor is shown to meet the ghoul.

[deep drum]

We will see what ends up happening

[coarse grove]

So it's post-war.

[deep drum]

I’m guaranteeing you they aren’t canonizing shit

[tired yew]

Watch them

[coarse grove]

I'll wait here for you when they do. 🙂

[tired yew]

They aren't giving us a bunch of house lore dumps for fun

[deep drum]

Those have no impact

On whether house is alive or dead

[tired yew]

Yes they do

[tired yew]

Okay, why would they show us any of this otherwise

[coarse grove]

They do, whether you want to acknowledge it, they do. Because one thing cannot exist without the other.

Victor cannot exist without House, that is pretty much confirmed.

There's literally no disputing that.

[deep drum]

Cuz House is crucial to the story but only because of his involvement in the origin of the war

[deep drum]

like you said, Bethesda retcons shit

[tired yew]

Hank sends a message to house

[deep drum]

In which he gets no response.

lol

[tired yew]

No response yet

[lyric sequoia]

https://x.com/endymionyt/status/2004807029723107734?s=46

Endymion (@EndymionYT)

Correct me if I’m wrong but wouldn’t the Brotherhood of Steel go to great lengths to protect this car cause it’s technically pre-war tech?

Why are writers unaware of the mythology of the shows they make, Fallout’s Amazon show is a mess

X · Dec 27, 2025, 6:50 AM

[deep drum]

I’m telling you bro

they are gonna keep it open ended

[tired yew]

House being absent would also decanonize an ending

[deep drum]

The main praise behind new Vegas is the choices you have as a player

[tired yew]

They cannot go to Vegas without touching house

[coarse grove]

They do, but they've been pretty consistent thus far in what they show and what they don't, how they pick what's actually canon for the show and what isn't. We're only in episode 2, btw, there's still a bunch more left. And people have already leaked and posted information on what happens in all the episodes up to 6.

[tired yew]

Whether it's 1 or 3 doesn't matter

[deep drum]

canonizing one ending over the others ruins that

[eager folio]

You know
Normally i would be dissapointed

[coarse grove]

Tell me you don't know lore, without telling me 101.

[deep drum]

I’m telling you that the MOST they will do is decanonize one of the endings

[torpid cargo]

This is such a nothing burger complaint. Got a game that doesn’t even have a way to play past the end game, NV fans just love to cry about how their specific choices might not be canon.

[eager folio]

But then again
I forgot this tweet exists

[tired yew]

They can't really do a yes man ending because that would directly involve the courier

[coarse grove]

Like I said, I'll wait for you here when you're proven wrong. lol The only one they can't do is Yes Man, everything else is fine.

[tired yew]

They can't really do a legion ending because Vegas is still apparently active

[deep drum]

You’ll see bro

[coarse grove]

I said it from the start the only thing that's canon is the Chip being delivered.

[tired yew]

If it's an NCR ending house is dead and the legion should probably not be in the region

[coarse grove]

Everything else, they threw out the window and labeled the second battle as 'a fog of war'

[deep drum]

Chip could’ve been delivered by somebody else later on

[coarse grove]

That makes it ten times worse.

[tired yew]

They cannot go to Vegas without eliminating 3 endings it's pretty much that simple tbh

[deep drum]

you’ll see bro

[coarse grove]

Lmao good grief.

[tired yew]

The endings all have definite criteria except for yes man which definitely won't happen

[deep drum]

They aren’t gonna canonize anything

you’ll see bro

[tired yew]

NCR means house is dead and legion is weakened, legion means house is dead and Vegas is ransacked, house means house isn't dead

[coarse grove]

Idc what is canon or isn't tbh. But they're definitely going to make stuff is, people have this belief that 'Bethesda won't take away our choices' if you've played any of the Fallout games. We all know they've chosen canon endings for every game but FNV so far.

[eager folio]

Ironically
This is one of the few times where he is TECHINALLY right
War did change due to advances of technology
But the quote is talking about the true nature of war, how humanity reasoning, the end result, what happen, is always the same

[fallen wagon]

theres not that much significance to the strip in terms of strategic value. holding the dam is too expensive not that i could ever see legion running a complex engineering operation like that

esp. now with the ncr cashcow gone and the region seemingly too unstable forr any non legion inhabitance

[tired yew]

The legion doesn't really care

Caesar wanted a capital city not a Superfortress

[torpid cargo]

What NPC in Fallout 3 actually says “war never changes” besides the narrator?

[eager folio]

Tbf
The strip still has importance
Its just that there only man who is willing to make it important

[eager folio]

The sole survivor?

[coarse grove]

That's Fallout 4.

[torpid cargo]

facepalms

[coarse grove]

Lone Wanderer is Fallout 3. 😄

[eager folio]

Name someone else who does that quote beside the narrator

In general
Not just fallout 3

[tired yew]

Nate

[coarse grove]

Oh in general, I genuinely don't know, it probably only is Ron Perlman. Lol

[tired yew]

Uhh Cooper's wife in the show

[torpid cargo]

Lmao true

[eager folio]

cooper himself

[tired yew]

Probably also Hank somewhere

They really like it in the show

[eager folio]

Excatly
There is no one but those two

[normal veldt]

Speaking of Ron, my guess is that he's gonna be the voice of a super mutant this season

[torpid cargo]

That’s what makes the meme funny. They’re both full of shit.

[tired yew]

In the games it's usually just a philosophical tagline rather than a specific catchphrase

[coarse grove]

Franchise tourists.

[tired yew]

John Wasteland never says war no change to summon 8 geckos or something so

[coarse grove]

One would hope!

[tired yew]

He's either a super mutant or something similarly weird

[eager folio]

A super super mutant?

[torpid cargo]

Frank Horrigan level of mutant

[tired yew]

Talking deathclaw/lanius after being thrown into the grand canyon burned man style

[eager folio]

Hmm
Not weird enough

[normal veldt]

Lanius, the Burning Man

[tired yew]

Super mutant chainsmoker?

[normal veldt]

I doubt they'll mention Black Mountain but it could be Neil? Marcus would be more iconic tho

[tired yew]

Marcus would be the sensible play

I could also see them going their own direction though

[coarse grove]

Marcus would be the better option, but I also don't know why Marcus would be wandering outside of Jacobstown unless the Ghoul is in the area.

[tired yew]

Jacobstown could be ruins

He could perhaps just be out looking for something, he's already had a pretty storied life too

[coarse grove]

I'd hate that tbh.

[fallen wagon]

todd wouldnt

[tired yew]

It would suck but y'know
He also does have a history of just disappearing from being mayor of a town with super mutants in it

[normal veldt]

I'm not too familiar with my super mutant lore but why is it that most generic super mutants we see in the West have mouth straps but guys like Marcus don't use them?

[coarse grove]

It's an aesthetic choice tbh, and FO3 tried to deviate from that - but I would argue the Mutants we see in the West are probably the more aesthetically pleasing ones and better designs.

However

I do like Fallout 3's Overlords and Behemoths better, they actually do like monsterous FEV rejects. Which i think is fine, but Bethesda should've matched the original design choice.

I don't think there's 100% a clear reason why mouth pieces, and head goggles are a thing for them exclusively - it's probably more akin to just mutants wearing Wasteland clothes, or rather like their version of it.

[tired yew]

I assumed a lot of west coast mutants had structural issues in their faces or something

[coarse grove]

Could be that, it's kinda unclear.

I always figured it was like their versions of 'hats' and 'glasses'.

[normal veldt]

Any thoughts on fo4's super mutants?

[tired yew]

Maybe malformed lips are common among imperfect super mutants

[coarse grove]

Meh, i don't hate them

I just prefer Fallout 1,2 and FNV's.

[tired yew]

The east coast strain is a whole other thing so it could be a regional difference

[coarse grove]

More personality.

I like my mutants to not feel same-y.

[tired yew]

The real reason is probably that they gave the lip thing to the lieutenant in fallout 1

[coarse grove]

@normal veldt
Also to build on what I said earlier given the hierarchy for the Commonwealth BoS is different with Maxson's leadership, I wonder where Xander Harkness would fall in rank wise for Arthur Maxson's ranking model. Like I assume his rank would fall between Paladin and Paladin Commander, or it could be under Star Paladin, and above Paladin Commander but above but we might not get an answer.

[normal veldt]

He's literally gonna lead the fight against several rogue chapters, so his status is probably more like a Paladin Commander

[coarse grove]

I dunno about lead, maybe orchestrate? I imagine when he talks to Maximus, he'll be constructing a plan to dismantle their little alliance. I think he's smart and charismatic enough to speech his way through it tbh. lol

[normal veldt]

Who's gonna fight for the East tho? Do you think some members of the rogue chapters will actually turn on Quintus in the next episode?

[coarse grove]

Yeah, we only see 4 airships, and 4 chapters present in at Area 51, we know 1 gets shot down - so means one chapter will not return home anytime soon. lmao

I think Xander is the only one from the East, aside from whoever is already present who got dropped off from Season 1, which we only saw 5 knights, and 1 died, we don't know what happened to the other 4. Unless more Knights showed up that they just didn't showcase on screen.

[normal veldt]

Dude's confidence made it seem like he's got reinforcements on their way or maybe he could solo 4 BoS chapters (holy smoke that's some main character energy)

||And Max is going to steal the cold fusion mcguffin during all the chaos, then head for Vegas for some reason||

[coarse grove]

||He's probably stealing it at Xander's expense, because Xander and him are seen flying away together, after the fact. I know Magnus said it might be for the NCR, but part of me wonders if it's actually for Vegas.||

[normal veldt]

||I don't see Max rejoining the NCR so soon, tho I can see that's what the show runners may have in mind. So various factions will keep fighting over this tech I guess? Honestly, I think House would be interested in unlimited energy if he's still alive, he never liked the fact that he had to rely on NCR for electricity||

[coarse grove]

||Yeah, I agree, nothing of his character arc, or actions suggests or shows interest with him joining the NCR - as well as if the interviews and reviews are to be believed, then it means Xander convinced him to some extent that the Eastern BoS is better, or at least the 'good' version of the BoS Maximus has envisioned since he was a child. If Cold Fusion can be used to power Vegas - and Maximus uses it for that, and freeside? Holy shit. That would be instrumental for humanity, cause it means they can truly be independent.||

[normal veldt]

||I think I also saw him teaming up with Cooper in the trailer, which is gonna be interesting, not sure how that happened but apparently they're gonna be fight a upgraded securitron and a deathclaw?||

Also I hope we'll get a good explanation on how this suit of PA (only high ranking officers get to wear them) actually wind up in Vegas, NCR usually don't leave this kinda equipment behind

[coarse grove]

If it was a hasty retreat, or a messy pull out of the Mojave - it makes sense. And we've seen it happen IRL where when retreats are ordered, but communication is messed up or people are panicked, even the military makes mistakes and leaves equipment behind. It happens, a lot.
One suit, is not all that crazy, now if it was multiple? or a stash? Plus it doesn't look clean, in the show, it looks worn, rustic, like it's been there for a bit.

||Max, Thaddeus, and Coop rally Freeside to take back the strip and fight the Deathclaw, and I think Lucy goes to deal with her Dad.||

[scenic wolf]

After novac and what looks like Ivan pah dry lake Lucy and the ghoul stumble across that place with the legion slaves and the ghoul seems surprised at how far west they are, interesting

[normal veldt]

||So Hank really went to the forbidden section of Vault 21?||

[coarse grove]

||It's hard to say where he went - but if it's in Vegas, the only two options are - a new Vault tec location underneath Vegas, or the forbidden or unauthorized and inaccessible areas of Vault 21, it looks like Lucy is gonna confront him at wherever he's at, but by then I guess he's had people doing Vault Tec labor there? Cause I imagine everyone meets up in Freeside, but Lucy is the one that splits off to go after her Dad. ||

[normal veldt]

||Is Vegas really big enough for them to have another massive underground vault? Sure, the Vault-tec HQ looks nothing like Vault 21 and the original reason for House to put cement in Vault 21 probably had something to do with Lucky 38 but what if it's all connected? Vault-tec, House, mind control and maybe Enclave...|| I think I'm starting to sound like a crazy conspiracy theorist

[coarse grove]

|| It's possible. Obviously, but we know Vaults are probably as big in scope. Some vaults are bigger or smaller and it looks like the facility was built pre-war so it was probably planned ahead of time. Vault 21 is super clean. So is the Vault tec building so it's hard to tell. I don't think House is connected to the Mind Control device anymore, he was as it's inventor but he probably traded it with Vault Tec or abandoned it and Vault tec picked it up. I'm not convinced House is super involved with that tech, it's possibly his invention but that's all. ||

|| As for the Enclave, I'm pretty sure Vault tec shared it with them and they're using it on monsters and animals now, as of recent. ||

[normal veldt]

What we saw in E1 could be a red herring

[normal veldt]

||Why wouldn't the Enclave wanna use them on humans? Or maybe they still testing it off-screen?||

[coarse grove]

The collars looking like the device? I'm not convinced. It looks too similar. I've 50/50 on it being real, and it being unrelated.
||Enclave has tried controlling to a higher extent the experiments have failed. They tried FEV, they tried Deathclaws with Goris's pack, they've tried numerous ways to control people and certain power Monsters. And in Fallout 3 we see them controlling Deathclaws again, but basic ones. With devices on their heads. So it's not out of the realm. And controlling humans on mass is difficult. It's not easy, it's easier to control animals. ||

[normal veldt]

Yo, I just realised something, y'all still remember Mesmetron from FO3? "It was officially noted the weapon had a 10-15% casualty rate from spontaneous cranial eruption." Kinda similar to the neck implant, ain't it?

[coarse grove]

Yeah I said that at the start of season 2. The same company that made it I believe was a company Robert House owned too.

[normal veldt]

I have to go check

[coarse grove]

I could be wrong, but the mind chip acts very similar to the mesmetron either way

I know the building for the company was supposed to be in Fallout 4

[scenic wolf]

Another thing I noticed right before the nuke blows up shady sands Max's mom says they were just getting started, maybe they did actually move shady sands

[scenic wolf]

Tbf in fo3 robco wasn't owned by Robert house that was a Nv retcon

Robert house didn't exist til nv

I mean he was probably mentioned in van buren

[normal veldt]

Unfortunately, I couldn't find anything related to House acquiring Implied Hypnotics, Inc., the show runners might be able to make this canon tho
Or maybe it's just a rival company and that's why House needed to do his "market research" lol

[coarse grove]

They did, I'm pretty sure. I don't think they lived there long.

[scenic wolf]

Yea that seems to be the implication

The husband says we did good we did good and it honestly doesn't seem like they're talking about just Max

[normal veldt]

Headcanon, Max's parents were NCR sharecroppers who just moved back from the Mojave

[scenic wolf]

Strange that Max's dad seemed to be experienced in disarming nukes as well

[coarse grove]

We didn't have information on a lot of pre-war stuff in Fallout around that time anyway in terms of owning companies, and who was the head of what, in general.
Like all this stuff didn't specifically get clarified until later between FNV, FO4, FO76, and all the outside material bethesda made with comics, books, RPG Rulebooks(despite people arguing, it's confirmed those are canon 😛 Bethesda has said so, as did the makers) etc etc.
So it makes sense it wouldn't say Robert House owned it, if that's the case, then.

[scenic wolf]

Knew what he needed to pull out and that he needed to cut a cord if the failsafe wasn't there he would have succeeded, I'm guessing his robot eye just lets him see through the wiring to tell which is the trigger or something

[coarse grove]

Like shit the closest we got to any SPECIFIC Vault Tec higher up wasn't until Mothership Zeta.

And that's because they got abducted.

[scenic wolf]

No fo3 does have the owner of robco named, funny cuz the guys name isn't even Robert

[normal veldt]

A retired veteran perhaps

[coarse grove]

I'll have to double check them, cause I'm like 95% positive that's not true. Lol

[scenic wolf]

I don't remember where but I'm thinking it was on a terminal in the robco building CEOs office

[coarse grove]

Cause Robert was the actual Founder, he quite literally founded the Company. There's a difference.

Meaning he didn't just own it, he CREATED it from it's inception.

[scenic wolf]

In NV version of the lore yea, in fo3 it was just named robco because they built robots and other electronics

[coarse grove]

If there was a former person, they'd be listed, it could be I'm missing it but I'll go through the names of the employees and see if it's there.

The only character mentioned in Fallout 3 is Mayflower, but all it says is that they invented the " RobCo "Stealth Boy" Model 3001 Personal Stealth Device".

The rest of the employee list is all mentioned and appearances from 4, 76, and NV.

And it doesn't say Robert Mayflower was retconned anywhere, either.

[coarse grove]

It sucks too because that non-irradiated water was such a huge accomplishment, and Hank really did just get petty and drop a nuke on them.

[normal veldt]

Tim Cain: "The name General Atomics is from stories by Robert Heinlein, and RobCo was because they were robbing you"
Tagaziel: "Wait, really?"
Tagaziel: "Not because they were working on robots?"
bleep196: "No it's kind of in the subtext that they are literally scamming you"
Tim Cain: "I am pretty sure the robbing angle came first, and them making robots was second"

I guess House was always meant to be a corpo supervillain

[coarse grove]

Yep, this I remember. lol This was funny.

They said they came up with the name before anything else.

So they had already decided the corporation was supposed to be robbing you. Lol

[scenic wolf]

Funny because their products last forever apparently

[coarse grove]

Yeah, it's kind of ironic in a way.

[scenic wolf]

Robco robots everywhere, terminals everywhere, pipboy still working so much

[normal veldt]

Honestly, that might help explain why the Kings turned into ghouls, the water they controlled got contaminated for some "mysterious reason" (it had nothing to do with courier six)

[coarse grove]

It really is interesting that the Kings are seemingly killed off, because I would be curious as to how they became ghouls.

[scenic wolf]

Also in NV the share cropper farm quest has the water supply being irradiated because of the vault nearby

[coarse grove]

Yeah but if that Vault is never fixed, because the Courier never went there...

[scenic wolf]

If courier didn't side with NCR and help them out maybe that never gets fixed

Hard to think the show writers would go that deep tho

[coarse grove]

@late wedge ||I knew that was also Xander in the power armor with Maximus, i fucking knew it.||

[late wedge]

Lmao right? That’s what I was thinking too

Honestly nice to see confirmation of that, not really a surprise though

[coarse grove]

|| I am even more convinced that Xander convinced him to steal the Cold Fusion. ||

[late wedge]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Fotv/s/bu5zsR8NbW

Posting here too, idk where things should go for different chats lol

[coarse grove]

Bro my Anchorage flashback is gonna be peak, I hope. 😩

[normal veldt]

"Geneva Conventions? More like Geneva Suggestions" Geneva when she began writing about what happened to the Kings

[late wedge]

They said there’s more at the link too, that they only posted the ones they found most interesting. I’m not abut to sit on my phone rn and scroll around the site though, not at my computer

[coarse grove]

It looks like we're seeing Cooper's Squad too?! Wtf

[late wedge]

I’m increasingly curious about how long the flashback will be

[coarse grove]

Me too, my only worry is that it'll be too dark. LOL

[late wedge]

Conceptually, a :30 or 1 minute thing could very well be all we get. But there’s enough different clips now that I’m thinking it may be a bit more extended (which would be awesome)

[normal veldt]

Damn, they're gonna get pwnd by the Reds if they wore t-45s

[late wedge]

But also 0/10 for commitment since they didn’t actually go to Alaska smh

[late wedge]

Hmm I swear I’ve heard that said a few times here before haha

[coarse grove]

yeah i posed the screens, it looks a bit dark since it's at night

[normal veldt]

Looks like the squad got cooled

[coarse grove]

Yeah the T45s have some new Pre-war military decal on them.

[normal veldt]

So it's gonna be "the demon in the snow"?

[late wedge]

I’m from Alaska….and I’ve been called a demon before………..it could be me 👀

[coarse grove]

Yes.

Demon in the snow makes me think Dragoons, but if they're actually not in Alaska, that kind of sucks. lol

[coarse grove]

oh wait you meant

they didn't FILM IT in Alaska

[late wedge]

I just meant that they didn’t film there

Exactly

[coarse grove]

Lmao

[late wedge]

I’ll be uh very surprised if that’s not supposed to be Alaska within the show haha

[scenic wolf]

Let's wonder what the reason for the flashback of Alaska might be

[late wedge]

Cool & why not

Those are all that matter

[scenic wolf]

No I mean what is triggering Cooper to remember it

[late wedge]

I am curious though lol. Initially I thought it was going to just be like, some sort of flashback that solidified like, the horrors or war or PTSD or something like that in Coop. Desperately hoping it didn’t show him seeing their whole ‘flaw in the armor’ since we already got the idea of it in S1

But now if the title is indeed Demon in the Snow it feels more like it may be used to help introduce, well, whatever the demon in the snow would be considered. How that possibly ties in with House & Coop’s goal of finding his family, I really have no idea

[scenic wolf]

Maybe some bos in t45 or NCR in salvaged t45 at camp golf, or if it has to do with his squad mates maybe he sees Lucy nearly die and he realizes she's like a squadmate to him now

[scenic wolf]

Episode 3 is called that?

[late wedge]

Uh I think it’s supposed to be ep 4

But yes, multiple various sources / leaks / TV schedules have listed it as demon in the snow

Presumably ‘in the snow’ means it’s that specific flashback scene in AK

[scenic wolf]

Maybe the demon in the snow is just referring to some crack shot Chinese sniper or a sniper using the gauss rifle that we see in the posters in the dlc operation Anchorage

I bet it will be a double meaning

[late wedge]

See but that just feels slightly….unimportant in the grand scheme of the show and where it’s all going, unless the flashback really is of consequence and not just a mild character thing for Coop

Which would be weird naming the whole episode after it if that is the case

[scenic wolf]

Demon in the snow referring to the enemy in his flash back as well as perhaps the super mutant we hear speak, snow in that case might mean Jacobs town

[late wedge]

But yeah, likely some sort of double meaning for sure

[scenic wolf]

Might even be like a triple or quadruple meaning

[late wedge]

I don’t know about that many meanings tbh lol

[scenic wolf]

Demon in the snow could also refer to that enclave base we see in the snowy mountains from s1

Depends how many things are shown in that episode

But it might make sense if the super mutant is revealed that episode and then he tells Lucy maybe about how the enclave created them and while he gives just an old lore explanation maybe the show will go and pan over to the current enclave base we saw in s1 with a super mutant being wheeled around in a stretcher

[late wedge]

Could it be? Sure. I kind of think that’s wishful thinking though, I doubt Super Mutants will play much of a role this season. But something of that sort could happen

Then again, The Ghoul isn’t exactly good about explaining anything to Lucy that would have been helpful for her to know lolol so maybe not to her

[scenic wolf]

Also I forgot the master created super mutants not enclave

But the enclave did have a hand in fev

Well actually wait it's kinda confusing now because of 76

Enclave did create super mutants

[normal veldt]

Do you still remember the US-China meeting in Anchorage? Think that was 4 years ago
I remember I was thinking to myself "Holy smoke, are we merging with the Fallout timeline?!"

[late wedge]

lol yeah, I remember that. I was actually in Alaska at that time because of Covid (I live in CA now), and when I saw that was happening there was definitely a part of me like hmmmm US and China in Anchorage, you say? 🤨

[scenic wolf]

It's not really that surprising

Makes sense to meet there because it's closer to them, also could've been talking about deals involving that part of the ocean

[late wedge]

It’s quite uncommon for them to do that. As far as I’m aware, they haven’t done that before in my lifetime at least

And even if you’re talking about a smaller or different place, you don’t hold those meetings in Podunk-nowhere…you hold them in Beijing or Washington. It was pretty notable at the time exactly because it was a bit odd and not routine.
Despite that, those specific meetings do seem to have been about generic things at the end of the day lol

[bleak oak]

How's the legion now

[coarse grove]

In a very interesting spot being lead by two new characters. Two brothers specifically one is the new Caesar - and the other is the new Legate.

[tranquil topaz]

If it’s led by two brothers then that would be such a fun parallel to actual roman mythos where the existence of two brothers, Remus and Romulus, eventually lead to the creation of Rome

[coarse grove]

That's exactly the vibe they're aiming for. 🙂

Two brothers, each one leads half the Legion. With an eventual powerstruggle of which one gets to rule and where it takes the Legion as a whole.

[tranquil topaz]

Remus also gets killed by Romulus in the myth too

[coarse grove]

One of them will probably die, but we won't know how, which keeps it interesting as well.

[tame current]

Me when I cherrypick lol

||Hey btw looking at those BTS leaks||
||Cool to see they are also including the Chinese uniforms as well||

[coarse grove]

|| Yeah, which makes me believe that Dragoons might be present to some extent. Or at the very least, we'll see them fighting Chinese.||

[cold jetty]

Very confident he’s one of the soldiers fighting the securitrons.

[coarse grove]

I agree, would imply he might've went to Vegas with Maximus, then? Very interesting.

[cold jetty]

tan underarmor

[errant bobcat]

We'll be seeing a Paladin in action damn

[coarse grove]

Bout damn time. At least how he fights will give us an idea of how Paladins would differ

[errant bobcat]

in Danse's case its just face tank everything and hold down the trigger

looks like hes using an assault rifle but damn what a flex it would've been if he had a gatling laser or plasma rifle

show off the commonwealths power

[coarse grove]

It's unfortunate that, that stupid assault rifle is actually decently powerful - so it'd probably still perform really well compared to the BoS we see. lol

[cold jetty]

@coarse grove Maximus and Xander meet Thaddeus here I think

[livid prawn]

Knitted by his grandmother it seems

[coarse grove]

Wonder what the play will be for Xander. || Aside from acquiring Cold Fusion? Very curious. Has it been confirmed who Maximus is in a shootout with, using his laser pistol? ||

[cold jetty]

I think I know why they call Xander “racist”

[coarse grove]

Ahhhhhhhh

[high aspen]

Bonus points if Xander calls Thaddeus an abomination for being a ghoul

[livid prawn]

Is he really a ghoul?

[coarse grove]

Either a ghoul or a mutant, I mean he is losing his hair and his skin is starting to rot

[livid prawn]

Looks like he had a mouth on his neck

[eager folio]

Since when was a ghoul had a mutant face in his chest?

Anyways
@coarse grove
Congrats

You convinced me to get back to 76

All because the lore is updated and i cant stand outdated lore

[coarse grove]

Enjoy!
Considering the Ohio stuff I'm still digging through as well as Atlanta I'm curious if some of it will be relevant in future games.

[eager folio]

I will
After i solve the overseer problem and the fps problem

[coarse grove]

You'll have to let me know what you think of the Ghoul changes.

[violet plover]

Brotherhood in 4 use orange for their flag and one of the PA undersuits

[eager folio]

Oh yeah they do
I forgot they actually do

[cold jetty]

Which is ugly imo.

Quintus chapter is how FO4 brotherhood should’ve looked

Hopefully the show isn’t gonna use brown and orange to identify the commonwealth brotherhood

[tame current]

Have noticed how concept art always looks better than the final
This is for every media ever

Anyways brothers I YEARN for more NCR

[winged hedge]

RIP Bud Askins, the piece of shit deserved what he got, but I’ll miss him anyways

[tame current]

I need more of the Republic

I NEED IT

I CRAVE NCR

[winged hedge]

[tame current]

I HUNGER NCR LORE EXPOSITION

[cold jetty]

Oh I know but fo4 bos doesn’t even look close to that concept art. The squires are close tho

I hope the tv show doesn’t adapt this if we ever see more of the commonwealth brotherhood. Looks ugly compared to everyone else in the show

[coarse grove]

Man, compare that bomber jacket to Maxson's idk where they get the idea they even remotely look similar.

[violet plover]

Seems to be yellow for the Grand Canyon chapter, Blue for the Coronado chapter, brown for the Yosemite chapter and orange for the Commonwealth chapter

[cold jetty]

Yosemite’s cleric/scribe, initiate, and knight

Still haven’t seen Coronado’s clerics or scribes. Just Knights and a initiate

[violet plover]

Is the guy on the left wearing the scientist scrubs from Old World Blues

[normal veldt]

A ghoul? He's more like a FEV mutant who's probably gonna look like Harold eventually...
Who wrote this?

[cold jetty]

Looks similar but nah. Missing the breast pocket and has a fur collar

[violet plover]

Meant the bald guy

[normal veldt]

You mean on the right, the guy who got pwned by Max in a fight?

[coarse grove]

It looks like the Scribe outfit without the collar?

[violet plover]

Nvm it is different from the scientist scrubs, would have been a weird asset to pull

[coarse grove]

Like it looks like the same one the Elder is wearing, just without the collar bit

[normal veldt]

It's probably the pocket huh

[violet plover]

Mostly the belt and buttons that reminded me of the scientist scrubs

[normal veldt]

That's the Coronado chapter, right? Not sure why they're so misogynistic, did some NCR ladies hurt their feelings?

[coarse grove]

Probably got rejected by women and robots.

[normal veldt]

Hope their blimp will blow up soon

[weary sorrel]

Buncha embarrassments to Roger Maxson’s legacy in this bunch.

[coarse grove]

The East will correct their mistake. 🙂

East Heartland Agenda in full swing.

[weary sorrel]

Yeah, it’s clear as crystal that whoever in Lost Hills signed off on Arthur Maxson going to DC with Lyons was uncommonly intelligent.

He’d be wasted amongst the jokers, hide and go seek champs, and raiders LARP’ing as Brotherhood that make up most of the West Coast bunch.

[coarse grove]

And Lyons being his mentor, taught him well.

[scenic wolf]

Hope we see Tesla t60 from the Commonwealth

[empty crane]

meanwhile his troops disrespect lyons

[livid prawn]

im surprised they let the misogynist chapter slide

[cold jetty]

Good

[sacred salmon]

Hey there, so, recalling what i know

The actual bos is a secluded chapter from san francisco

Doesnt has paladins by itself, neither pa since maximus was surprised when his friend showed him the ones from the reinforcements

The reinforcements are sent from the comonwealt but not from maxon itself

Most paladins in the chapter are outsiders

[cold jetty]

Quintus has knights

And power armor

[sacred salmon]

Werent the armors bought as reinforcements and then handed over?

[tame current]

San Francisco?
You might be mixing it with San Fernando unless you know smth else

[cold jetty]

Nope that was never stated. San Fernando had t-60 when shady sands got nuked

[scenic wolf]

It's a good sign tho means the show won't be afraid to show the cruelty of the wasteland

Felt like fo4 lacked that

[livid prawn]

Its the brotherhood

not some raider group

[high aspen]

The brotherhood has devolved

and the Commonwealth will correct them

[weary sorrel]

Though maybe it’d be prudent to consider whether the West Coast is even worth the hassle of having all these chapters so distant from central command. How long until the next Quintus pops up?

[torpid cargo]

Well now that they have airships. Any dissenting chapters are less than a day away, instead of having to walk there.

You’re less isolated when you can fly.

[coarse grove]

What? Where in Fallout 4 do they disrespect Lyons. You mean the tithes?
We're talking about the same Lyons Brotherhood that was potshotting ghouls at the Underworld for fun, right?

[coarse grove]

Judging by the trailers, at least one of the Chapters loses their airship. Lol

[livid prawn]

I quite like the cultist aspect of the chapter Maximus is in

So, is Shady Sands surrounded by ruined buildings pre-bomb? I didn't quite get a good look at the background

That was one of my biggest nitpicks

[dark lark]

yes it was

[normal veldt]

You really don't remember them trash talking about Lyons?

https://youtube.com/shorts/8EJF3pHXEqk?si=u0MER7wkt1cFgKym

There's an NPC scribe who left the BoS cos he's Lyons loyalist (you can recruit him as a settler)

[livid prawn]

as many as we saw here?

[cobalt pine]

The lyons brotherhood was controversial so is the maxon

[livid prawn]

Im just gonna headcanon it as buildings from the NCR that got wrecked by a radiation induced earthquake instead of Shady Sands being moved to like the boneyard

[livid prawn]

The lyons brotherhood wasn't in episode 2

[cobalt pine]

Its become the maxon one

[livid prawn]

Yeah except they have different values

[cobalt pine]

In some ways

Maxon kept several aspects of lyons beliefs such as outside recruiting

The lyons died out

[coarse grove]

No I understand that, the issue is that Maxson's Brotherhood isn't really that different than Lyon's. The only thing that can really be considered 'disrespectful' is the tithes since it was aid in exchange for resources.
Other than that, they're roughly the same. People who claim Lyon's didn't 'hate' mutants either just didn't pay attention, or selectively nitpick to suit their headcanon narratives because it's pretty clear his Brotherhood didn't like them either. When they talk about Lyon's and his 'foolish' ways, they're talking about his choice of objectives not so much the doctrine. Maxson's brotherhood helps people, it's just a mutual exchange rather than for good will, and they went back to actively searching for technology which Lyon's wasn't doing too much of before and was focused on Super Mutants, and other things.

[weary sorrel]

Still infinitely preferable to Quintus and friends, honestly.

[tame current]

I honestly don't really buy that whole Shady Sands is in the Boneyard thing now

[coarse grove]

Oh no, of course it is. Maxson is infinitely better.

[austere tendon]

seen so many say "oh they just moved the name ofthe town, Shady Sands to Boneyard, so the shady sands in fo2 is still where it is"

but then why does it say first capital, has 2 things from fo1

[tame current]

Actually now that I think about it
Haven't people kinda assumed that?
Honestly as much as I like the show I feel like the more likely thing happening is that they are teleporting around just for each scene
There's lots of off-screen walking I think they are impling but without a map or anything it is difficult to actually visualize it
I'm not saying there should be huge scenes of just walking though no absolutely not that's filler

[tame current]

Never understood that take either

Yeah I get cities can share name but idk if this is a case of such things

[torpid cargo]

They skipped 200 miles of travel basically.

[weary sorrel]

Surprised we didn’t see them pass at least the Mojave Outpost.

[austere tendon]

but i do wonder why they named it first capital in the show, they could had just said "the capital"

[tame current]

Lol me too
They showed Novac on screen and I just said "oh so like we are in Novac just like that oh ok"

[austere tendon]

i wish they just named it the boneyard instead of shady, would fix a lot of issues

[tame current]

They are definitely impling something with that

[torpid cargo]

“We’re just gonna casually forget about the rest of California” -the show

[tame current]

I feel like they could have been fixed with that or a map

Or like, a travel montage

[weary sorrel]

Current capital could’ve been elsewhere at the time when Hank did a little nuclear trolling.

Plenty of NCR cities to choose from for that.

[tame current]

I want some name drops for next episode dudeeeee
Give me "Hub" or "Junktown" or "Dayglow"

[austere tendon]

yes please

[weary sorrel]

Namedrop Arroyo, you cowards.

[torpid cargo]

At least a Lost Hills reference with all the BoS wanking

[tame current]

If they do one of those at least I'm busting
I'm glazing for a full day

I need more NCR dudeeeeee

[austere tendon]

where did we get the name bos of the San Fernando

[tame current]

Possibly LA's San Fernando Valley

All those buildings? Gone lol

-# I kinda like that actually

[olive depot]

I still swear 8 eps isn't enough... we need at least 15 the way we're going

[austere tendon]

i love seeing the ncr soldiers even though they blew up the city
a ncr cosplayer group i am in is NEVER happy and started complaining about the helmets

[tame current]

Dude
I'm gonna be honest
It made a whole lot more sense for them to be Brodie helmets rather than just pith helmets

They sound like metal in game too, dude

[austere tendon]

one of the devs said that in the game it's metal helmets, with cloth covering

[tame current]

Literally what I thought

[austere tendon]

i did use a Pith Helmet myself for the cosplay

[tame current]

I once dressed up as a Vet Ranger for Halloween :]

[normal veldt]

I'm not talking about policies, it's not like Maxson himself actually trash talked the Lyons family in FO4, can't recall anything like that
We all know that many BoS members we get to meet in the Commonwealth were originally Brotherhood Outcasts
Now those a-holes hated Owyn and his daughter (they'd literally try to kill you if you tell them that you're "with the Brotherhood" back in FO3) so it's ok to point out that quite a lot of members in Arthur's chapter have 0 respect for the Lyons
It just means that Arthur Maxson's BoS is a big tent faction, basically

[austere tendon]

i like the troopers more then vet rangers ngl

[tame current]

Valid

[austere tendon]

im doing a jacket change to this

[high sandal]

Troopers have more of a vibe of what they are for me.

[austere tendon]

it looked more tan in the show

but it also had no flag, only that patch

[livid prawn]

God damnit

[livid prawn]

In 1 and 2 its in th emiddle of nowhere and now its suddenly surrounded by ruined buildings, where else would it e?

[torpid cargo]

People getting caught up on colors is so damn funny when irl militaries are even less consistent.

[austere tendon]

that is fair

[tame current]

Any new city built up pre-War?
It happens in Fallout, you know

Since 1

[livid prawn]

wdym?

[high sandal]

It makes sense to be near the salvage tbh.

[tame current]

Bakersfield does not have skyscrapers IRL

[livid prawn]

Theres nothing on the map that would indicate theres city ruins around Shady Sands.

[tame current]

The same map indicates that Bakersfield is in the middle of the Mojave

[normal veldt]

One of the rogue (misogynist) BoS chapter at the meeting came from Coronado
Which is pretty close to Dayglow, judging by the fact that they flew all the way to Nevada without any opposition, I'd assume that NCR remnants ain't doing too well in SoCal

[high sandal]

Yeah fallout maps are basically take with a pinch of salt tbh

[tame current]

Yeah still

[livid prawn]

It was definetly not intended to be surrounded by a city

At any moment in time

[torpid cargo]

Yesh the show is the only depiction of that

[livid prawn]

I hope they just retconned a city around it instead of moving it

[tame current]

Fallout 2 mentioned something about some glasses being used to go outside vaults for the first time
Never again those glasses were mentioned

[astral rapids]

So is the calculator know cannon

[livid prawn]

"They made this mistake, so its okay to make even more mistakes!"

[high sandal]

Shady moved between 1 and 2 so it's hardly solid canon.

I don't like that it's not the same "building anew" vibe but to be fair, building a new city next to the salvage isn't the dumbest idea in a wasteland so I don't mind

[tame current]

I'm literally not saying that

[livid prawn]

can you show on a map of the US how far it moved

[tame current]

I'm saying lore is really malleable

[coarse grove]

No, what I'm saying is that it's a misconception. They didn't hate Owyn personally - it was literally because he was prioritizing the very thing the Brotherhood was created for. Lol So it IS a policy related issue. Owyn wasn't focusing on technology as much as he should've been, and as much as people wanted him to. That's just a fact. Plus it put the Brotherhood members in jeopardy, while doing so.
I'm not saying Maxson said it either, but even under Maxson's ideals, and him reshaping the Brotherhood - it specifically states him and Owyn's Chapters were not that different. Maxson just re-prioritized technology gathering again mostly which is something Owyn wasn't really doing to the Brotherhood's own detriment.

[torpid cargo]

Then you have to move Vault 15 with it

[livid prawn]

unfortunately

[high sandal]

Off the top of my head no, but basically FO2 was supposed to be bigger then got cut down so they had to shift it from its FO1 position to fit on the map

[livid prawn]

i'll try to do it then

oh damn that spretty far

[high sandal]

Yeah it moves way west

It's not the only thing to move

[tame current]

Redding is in Oregon

[high sandal]

But yeah it's not as if that hasn't happened before in fallout canon

[livid prawn]

Went all the way from Nevada to around the mountains seperating the vaults and mariposa

[weary sorrel]

Though, is Arroyo also in Oregon? I thought it moved after the Enclave raided it.

[livid prawn]

I don't quite understand this argument though because its not like because interplay did it its okay

[high sandal]

The point is that fallout lore is hardly consistent and has changed many times over the years. What you have to analyse is whether it hurts the reasons something was put somewhere, or harms the point/message.

And while being built inside a pre war ruin does harm the vibe of them starting afresh, the fact they get working trams and shit in a wasteland is still testament to how functional their state was.

So like... nothing's lost per se. It's just not as pure.

So as complaints go I don't think it's worth the air time it gets.

[livid prawn]

How would they clear the area for making their buildings??

Does the geck have shrinkable heavy machinery

[high sandal]

You ever used a sledgehammer?

[livid prawn]

Because that'd be very practical

[high sandal]

Skyscrapers are a bit much but it looks like it's built in the suburbs

And they can be cleared real easy, if they were even that solid to begin with

[coarse grove]

People assumed this mostly because people started echoing it, and no one really questioned it I think? But I don't know if they would make a decision without implying it on like - a sign or something.

[livid prawn]

I just really don't understand what the point in making a city around it was

[high sandal]

And again - you're also near a supply of fresh salvage

which would be damn useful

[high sandal]

I suspect to make it easier for audiences to see it was still a post war city.

But that doesn't mean it's a terrible choice or move when it comes to lore and verisimilitude.

[livid prawn]

I don't know how someone could mistake it for a pre-war city

We already know how Moldaver and young Maximus look so people would get the hint

[tame current]

Maybe a juxtaposition thing as well?

[livid prawn]

To show the ruined city around with a utopia city within?

[tame current]

I mean yeah
I feel like that has happened before
I.E. Rome

[coarse grove]

This is super true, I think the big thing about Fallout lore that people tend to forget is that it is consistently inconsistent. lol Changes happened often, or things get forgotten - then reintroduced, or some stuff missed. A lot of the times, genuinely, I think Bethesda just forgets certain things are there or chooses not to stick to 100% with what Black Isle decided.

[high sandal]

Have you seen half the reviewers online?

Media literacy is fucking dead man

At least on YT

People asking shit like "How did Moldaver get in the vault" ignoring that the show literally fuckin tells you it was Rose's pip boy

[coarse grove]

You also have to keep in mind, the fact we are in this server, means we're not the average fan, we're of a fringe minority that pays attention to every single detail. lol

[livid prawn]

I guess you're right considering how many people think Mr. House is Anthony

[livid prawn]

-# Maximus as a child is a pretty important detail

[coarse grove]

This is also super true, it requires you to read ONE LINE of lore to debunk this entire theory.

[coarse grove]

I agree, but the average is not super media literate.

[livid prawn]

Anthony wouldn't dare call himself House's biggest fan

[coarse grove]

He would rather kill himself, than be in contact with his brother. It's that simple.

[tame current]

It is like those reels which are literally just movie scenes out of context and half of the comments are "why did x do y" when if you watch the whole movie itself they tell you why x did y

[high sandal]

Yeah genuinely if you wanna see how bad it can get just look at youtube comments.

Or, christ, my parents

They kept getting Betty and coop's wife confused

[livid prawn]

That's true my mom didn't remember Maximus

[high sandal]

At least, pre war receptionist betty

[normal veldt]

If they'd literally try to kill you (a friendly & clueless recruit who only recently joined Owyn's BoS) without a second thought then it's definitely personal
Also we should be aware that it's just their own interpretation of the codex, there's no doubt that if Roger were still alive he'd support Lyons instead of some techno-raiders who called themselves the "real brotherhood"
The fact that Maxson was able to get these outcasts to rejoin the BoS is impressive, they could pose a serious threat to the wasteland if left alone for too long. Kudos to Arthur for being able to get the haters back onboard without changing most of Lyons' policies.

[coarse grove]

But they don't. You can be in Owyn's BoS and be in the Outcasts, you can support both. The Outcast doesn't attack you outright, they're only provoked if you go after them - or if you try to constantly give them their own Armor as a reward. They might call you a stupid Wastelander, but the Outcasts do not outright attack you.
And as of Roger's words, no, Roger is probably more in favor of what Arthur is doing as per 76's lore additions. Roger's intention was to make the Brotherhood more cult-like per his words and heavy handed speech he gives Liz(?) I believe.

[weary sorrel]

Though didn’t he call out the isolationist stuff his son and the other higher-ups were starting to espouse going by 76?

[normal veldt]

Seriously, they'll literally try to kill you if you tell them the truth

[astral rapids]

Telling them you're part of the bos they turn hostile at you

[coarse grove]

Yes, that's why I said he'd be in favor of what Arthur is doing, because Arthur is less isolationist. But it doesn't change the fact he wanted them cult-like. The Isolationist part is where they start to deviate off.

[coarse grove]

Yes, but if in they're in open hostility towards the BoS, isn't that not provoking them? The hostility doesn't come Owyn as a person, it comes from his decisions rather and policies because they pull away from what they were originally sent there to do. It's like going up to Lucas Simms and saying I'm a raider, ready to take over your town.
It doesn't change my original point, is what I'm getting at. Especially because if that were true, Arthur was Owyn's Ward, if they hated Owyn personally - they would've tried to kill Arthur at some point, even Sarah(though people speculate if her Squad let her die out in the field, who knows).

[normal veldt]

Not sure why you're trying to play the Outcasts' advocate here, all the Outcast patrols in FO3 literally had evil karma, most of them were a-holes, end of story.
Also Owyn's BoS def weren't the "raiders" in this story... You could argue that they hated Owyn for his policies but the fact that they'd literally kill anyone (Arthur was a kid and he's a Maxson) associated with his chapter (despite knowing that you were clueless and had nothing to do with Lyons' policies) tells you that it had become personal

[silver river]

This is importznt

Why does harkness have a sigma face

[coarse grove]

Has nothing to do with advocacy, or morality. The games and lore tell you these facts.

1. Owyn told Lost Hills to go fuck themselves when they advised him not to follow through on the pursuit he wanted.
2. Owyn prioritized Super Mutants killing and used it as Good will to gain with the Wasteland.
3. Owyn refused to focus on gathering technology, and procuring it as per the Brotherhood's own literal existence.
4. Owyn refused to keep said technology out of other people's hands.
5. Owyn's decisions to hyper-focus on Super Mutant containment got a large portion of Brotherhood members killed with no reward for it.

My argument had nothing to do whether or not the Outcasts were moral, or good options, they're asshats - it has to do with the fact Owyn's policies, while good intended, failed. Evident by the fact the BoS chapter in the Capital Wasteland started crumbling after his death. Even Sarah couldn't keep them together. If his policies were working, if his policies were things that were ultimately bettering the Brotherhood, instability wouldn't have occurred.

And mind you, it wasn't until Arthur came into power did things actually get cleaned up - Yes Project Purity was up and running, but it was because of the Lone Wanderer, not Owyn. Owyn tried dismissing the Project at first if you remember, but he still gives you and Li shelter after what happened.

[coarse grove]

It was shown earlier but - spoilers for people who don't want it ruined. || Looks like we're gonna be seeing Xander and Maximus together in Vegas(?) Potentially. It looks kind of like the scene with the Securitron.||

[astral rapids]

Bc he is one

[coarse grove]

These scenes, is what I want to see the most. Lol
Genuinely curious what the outcome'll be.

[silver river]

How do u block stuff out

[coarse grove]

use || in front of and after what you type

[austere tendon]

with no space after the ||

[silver river]

||slug||

[coarse grove]

[silver river]

||fallout show is peak||

[astral rapids]

So is stuff from tactics cannon hank mentioned the calculator

[silver river]

When?

[coarse grove]

They mentioned and pull stuff from Tactics all the time, the game itself isn't, but they're gonna keep taking stuff from it.

[silver river]

If he did I have to replay tactics which feels like a chore

[cold jetty]

Okay I’ve heard episode 3 is where the show starts picking up speed. Everyone was calling episode 1 and 2 slow

[coarse grove]

Means you were right then, Brotherhood stuff is gonna be sprinkled in throughout each episode.

[silver river]

When does he mention the calculator?

[astral rapids]

When hank got into the vault tec base area he mentioned the calculator on the intercom

[silver river]

What did he say show me

[astral rapids]

Something about working together how it will be begging for his help etc

[silver river]

He says calculations what the fuck are you guys smoking

[astral rapids]

It sounded like calculator to me

[normal veldt]

They could've told you all these and then given you a chance to abandon Lyons' BoS and join the Outcasts (instead of trying to murder you, that's pretty much a violation of the codex)

Their hatred might've come from disagreeing with Lyons' decisions (from their traditionalist POV) but it had definitely got out of control

It's fine to say they hated Lyons, mostly cos he had some "controversial" policies ofc and that kinda sentiment lingered in Arthur's BoS, which is ok for us to point out

[coarse grove]

I just answered the question, i didn't say he did. lol

[silver river]

It’s okay king

[silver river]

Mb

[austere tendon]

damn, ep 3 isn't even out yet

why are you in s2 chat then!

[coarse grove]

I never said it wasn't, you can point it out - but acknowledge where it comes from and why. My whole argument is that it was important to keep in mind that Lyon's almost got all those BOS members killed, too. Two things can be true, the Outcasts can be assholes & evil, and Lyons can also have made a ton of fuck ups along the way that went against their original mission.
Again, morality aside - I agree with Lyon's but specifically for the Brotherhood, he made bad decisions and a lot of them didn't last, evident by the Chapter almost getting wiped out if it wasn't for Arthur. Hence why I said Arthur is the perfect mix of Lyon's and Roger. That is and was my entire argument.

The disdain for Lyon's has foundation given got a lot of people killed, which people don't want to acknowledge. They think it was peachy clean, but it wasn't.

[coarse grove]

You're good. Lol

[coarse grove]

Have you found any more BTS or interview Articles? Send them my way if you get any new ones you haven't seen.

[dusky walrus]

they used the fo3 alien design instead of fo4 design?

[coarse grove]

It looked kinda goofy

[astral rapids]

The f03 alien designs are based

[dusky walrus]

that's fo4 aliens for you lol

[coarse grove]

I agree, but the prop just felt off

like am i crazy or did the head look lopsided.

[normal veldt]

Well, don't think I disagree with what you're saying here
Pretty sure that the original argument (not by me) was "some members of Maxson's BoS still disrespect Lyons" tho, so I guess you can agree with on that?

[dusky walrus]

it was frozen solid

translating what looked like a cartoonish design to irl is difficult, they got it pretty close to accurate

[coarse grove]

Yeah, it was more of me saying, it's not disrespect if it's true. Lol Because Lyon's WAS being foolish, but his heart was in the right place and I acknowledge and admire that - but like I said, two things can be true. You can be a good man, but make foolish decisions sometimes. That's where I'm at.

[coarse grove]

You're right cause Zetans are like

old school martian propaganda type aliens.

So it would be harder to translate them - the prop just felt weird.

But the alien blaster looked fine????

idk weapons are probably easier to translate

[normal veldt]

It's more like an easter egg, no way they'll make Zetans the main focus of the TV series, not gonna happen until they run outta ideas

[coarse grove]

wait the blaster looks thinner

hang on

cause i know we saw the baton

the cryolator

the blaster

the ship

[dusky walrus]

ik, just commenting on the design of the aliens themselves. I hope we don't get to the point where they are using aliens in the plot.

[limpid copper]

looks kinda like the sunset saraparilla bottling plant

[dusky walrus]

i think it is

[limpid copper]

just judging by all the bottles and the fact it was featured in the fallout shelter thing

[cold jetty]

@coarse grove Which is why I said Xander and Maximus will meet Thaddeus

[coarse grove]

Yeahhh, i see what you mean. Okay, okay.

[cold jetty]

Haven’t found any new ones yet, still looking

[normal veldt]

Bethesda really like their Lovecraftian stuff tho, I wouldn't be surprised if they try to add some occult stuff in the show
Not this season but probably gonna happen eventually

[limpid copper]

yeah that makes sense

[coarse grove]

DUNWICH IN MY FALLOUT TV SHOW? I can't imagine.

Unless...? 👀👀

[dusky walrus]

hopefully just as enemies or easter eggs. Wouldn't want the main show to be about Lovecraft stuff

at least we are getting a new season in a relatively close time to the to first season

wouldn't want it to be 3-4 years like stranger things or smth

[coarse grove]

they should tease it, i don't mind teasing so, I just don't want it expanded upon.

Like we're following our 3 protagonists, i don't want stuff to take away from their journey.

Like it would be cool to see the Dunwich book in passing at a market

or like a trader telling to sell it, but Lucy, or the ghoul refuse to buy it

stuff like that would be okay

[dusky walrus]

ya, not mucking up the main plot

[coarse grove]

Also explain to me, how tf people are getting Maxson's battlecoat confused with Xander's bomber jacket.

[normal veldt]

You mean enemies with magical power? That'd be way too OP and ppl might get pissed lol

Although I'm curious if they'll try to give us more lore about psychic superpowers (Nightkins, Murphy and etc.)

[coarse grove]

it does yeah. || It would explain where Thaddeus has been held up, tbh. Maybe Bottling plant near Vegas looking after orphaned kids? ||

[coarse grove]

ah yes, my unregulated drug grandma who I OD for the purpose of minor loot.

[dusky walrus]

nightkin will def show up

[coarse grove]

Nightkin would be okay, i do hope we get some mutants - they better not blue-ball us with just that one camp fire scene this season.

[normal veldt]

What about the Forecaster? That kid at the 188 trading post I mean

[dusky walrus]

you could make an argument about them being similar, some people haven't played fo4 in a long time, and misrmbr things

[coarse grove]

i wonder if we'll even hit the 188 trading post

[dusky walrus]

doubt it

[coarse grove]

Could be fair, the only similar thing that I saw was just the inner layer being pushed outwards a little bit, but idk

[normal veldt]

I sure hope they do, it's usually where I sell my loot omw to Vegas

[dusky walrus]

i doubt they'll hit every wacky thing in fnv, prob won't even see the dlc locations

except lonesome road

i bet we will see that

[normal veldt]

Also how did Thaddeus manage to find himself in Vegas? I hope they'll give us an explanation

It's not like that's the place for him to get away from the BoS (they're literally in the Mojave)

[dusky walrus]

prob say he followed them

[coarse grove]

Mf ran for the hills, lol brotherhood finds out he's a ghoul? The best place for him is probably Vegas lol

[normal veldt]

Why the Divide?

[dusky walrus]

i just have a feeling, it was integral to fnv

[coarse grove]

lonesome road i feel like is the least likely

[normal veldt]

Should we assume that there's no place in California that's safe from the BoS then? 🤔

[dusky walrus]

nah, they aren't gonna touch OWB or DM

and HH is in utah

[normal veldt]

I unironically wanna see the 80s tribe

They made the 80s sound like some serious threat in HH but we never got to see them

[coarse grove]

not what i meant, i more so meant they'd probably kill him on site. I'm sure the West is relatively safe, the Chapters don't seem that powerful as they used to be. PLUS - listen, they're about to have a bunch of other issues on their hands, i think Thaddeus is the least of their worries BUT. Thaddeus doesn't know that, lol

He probably assumes they will try to get to him or something.

[dusky walrus]

dlc was cut back a bit due to time

prob would have been there if they have the time

[coarse grove]

I'd put OWB above Lonesome Road, but idk - I'm still of the belief none of the DLCs will get touched other than mentions that like Big MT got with Sinclair at the end of Season 1.

Since it's not necessarily relevant to our 3 protagonists.

[dusky walrus]

i still think LR is gonna be there

but who knows

[normal veldt]

Didn't feel like that, it felt more like they were building them up to be some kinda faction you'll see in the next game

The 80s are supposedly active in Northern California so I suppose it wouldn't be weird for us to hear about them in the show

[dusky walrus]

arroyo is in orgeon or smth wonder if they crossed paths

[normal veldt]

I can low-key see Hank going to the Big MT but other than that I don't think we'll have a reason to revisit these places, unfortunately

[dusky walrus]

the less they reveal about character decisions the better

[versed mountain]

Is the commonwealth referred to in the second episode the same commonwealth from FO4

[turbid radish]

Yes

[weary sorrel]

Hank getting turned into a lobotomite would be oddly fitting.

[turbid radish]

I would bet money that the season ends with Hank getting a mind chip put on him

[coarse grove]

Same Commonwealth from Fallout 4. Yes. They're referring to the Brotherhood Chapter in Boston, who is assumedly and presumably dominated over that territory.

[versed mountain]

Meaning that liberty prime still exists

[dusky walrus]

i hope not, that would pretty much the end of his character

[cold jetty]

Hank is definitely dying this season

[dusky walrus]

idk, i kinda want him to live

[coarse grove]

Yeah there's no way he survives, if he does I'll be pissed af

[torpid cargo]

Super late, but I prefer this map honestly.

[dusky walrus]

ya shady is now smack in LA

kinda fucks up the plot of fo1

[turbid radish]

So did it moving in fallout 2

[dusky walrus]

yup, more directly in fo1 because the vault dweller would have never found the town if it wasn't in the way of v15

[normal veldt]

They can give Paul Atreides sr. the Moldaver treatment, he can come back in some flashbacks

[dusky walrus]

in the past he's just a low level executive, not much to work with

still haven't been told how she survived this long

[coarse grove]

we'll probably find out when we find out how the ghoul turned, and where his family went.

[dusky walrus]

obv cryo tech but how did she get it

[normal veldt]

I'm thinking about his stories in the vaults

[dusky walrus]

ya i'm hoping they tell us this season, or maybe the next.

[torpid cargo]

Shady is still in between Vaults 13 and 15 in Fallout 2

[dusky walrus]

we don't start there in fo2 though. Do you? I haven't played it in a long time

[normal veldt]

Arroyo?

[torpid cargo]

You start in Arroyo

[dusky walrus]

you could somewhat say the chosen one "stumbled" across it in his travels if it isn't there

[dusky walrus]

ya sry i forgot

not as well informed about fo2 as the other entries

[normal veldt]

No worries
Honestly, the show doesn't really have to go back to any old (DLC) locations in FNV, there are plenty of interesting places we haven't seen since fo2

[dusky walrus]

hope they hit some good ones tho, primm, boomeer base, and others would be nice

i honestly have no idea where they could be atm

[coarse grove]

Primm was confirmed before wasn't it?

[dusky walrus]

there were never really any hospitals in fnv

[torpid cargo]

They really should have tho. They skipped almost 200 miles of former NCR territory going from the Boneyard to Novac

[dusky walrus]

they showed a zoom out screen, they've done that for fo4 locations too

[normal veldt]

Only this so far

[coarse grove]

ah ok

[limpid copper]

the entire las vegas area got condesned down to 4 square miles in fnv so there probably was in reality

[dusky walrus]

ya, i hope they do expand new vegas a bit

[limpid copper]

basically the entire area around henderson isnt featured in fnv which is probably where the hospital was

[dusky walrus]

was lacking in fnv

[coarse grove]

they def did, freeside looks fucking massive from all the pictures and videos.

[dusky walrus]

new plague mentioned

glad they rmbr that

[dusky walrus]

there are some locations that should look the same, but im fine if they tinker with nv

[coarse grove]

The strip itself, looks the same, maybe some additional stores it looks like - but Freeside looks too big, but like big enough they may excuse not hitting everything in there.

[dusky walrus]

def seeing some kings there

[dusky walrus]

ya hope they had some new stuff to the actual strip

[normal veldt]

I just hope the Followers are still active in Freeside 🙏

[weary sorrel]

Same; Lucy’d be right at home with them if nothing else.

[limpid copper]

ive really liked all the tiny references so far this season, most of them i dont even see the first time around and i only catch when i got back through and pause it

its attention to detail like that that i love but then makes me even more annoyed they could mess up something so simple as the location of the ncrs capital

[limpid copper]

i think they have moved some of the things around on the strip tbf, in the aerial shots of nv in the trailers gommorah and the tops have switched places and are also in front of the gate for some reason

[normal veldt]

Do you think we'll get to see any Followers from FNV? 🤔

[limpid copper]

and i think theyve now put mick and ralphs and the kings building next to the front gate too which is fine because its a nice references and without it there probably wouldnt be a way to include it

[weary sorrel]

Maybe Farkas, but that’s about it. Even that might be pushing it a bit.

[normal veldt]

Mick & Ralph is at the Strip entrance now, guess they've got the caps to relocate the shop

[limpid copper]

yeah could be that lmao

[scenic wolf]

Quite often you will hear bos soldiers mention loving how the current bos is and then they say Lyons bos was nothing like this

[coarse grove]

We'll probably SEE the fort, but we won't go IN the fort.

[coarse grove]

The gate itself looks like it's been over-run or destroyed, so that could also why things look different. It's missing the scaffoldings, and other things that made it into a 'checkpoint'.

[dusky walrus]

it's not that they messed it up, it was intentional

[limpid copper]

paladin harkness in the ep3 trailer mentions how this isnt the first time the bos has been close to civil war (which im guessing refers to when the capital wasteland bos went no contact with west coast for violating the codex) so i hope we get to see a fallout 3 reference soon

[dusky walrus]

with the commonwealth coming? Definitely

[limpid copper]

yeah i know, i still dont really see the point but eh things like that have to be done i guess. I wouldve rather they just rewrite their script to suit current lore than rewriting lore to suit their script though.

[coarse grove]

It's almost like characters can be wrong, lol Not everything a character says needs to be taken as gospel. Again, My entire point was Elder Lyon's and Maxson's models are not THAT far different like people claim. A character saying, "This is nothing like Lyon's" while evidence and everything in lore says, and points to it being SIMILAR to Lyon's, just means those characters are either upset, voicing grievances, or they can be wrong. Lol

It's the silly argument that people try to paint their distinction as black and white, when it's not.

[dusky walrus]

like myron

and je

t

[coarse grove]

Like Ulysses says that tunnelers should've overrun the Mojave by the point of the TV show, and we don't see them at all and we know they travel in packs, and there's a shit ton of them. Is it possible that he may have just been wrong? Just because a character says a specific thing, does not mean it is true. You have to look at the context clues, and evidence around it and lore to see if it is or isn't.

[scenic wolf]

A random encounter has you come across an Ex Lyons bos member that left Arthurs bos because of how much they changed

[coarse grove]

Again, they can be wrong. Lol

The stark differences between the two doctrines is Humanitarian Relief. But that is not gone under Maxson, it turned into Mutual aid, "You help us, we help you".

It's possible some Brotherhood members wanted to be more humanitarian and foster that specific good will without benefit, and are upset it's shifted away from that.

[coarse grove]

There's so much, and i know we think they're tiny references but they might have more implications in terms of like, maybe seeing certain things again in the future, etc etc.

[eager folio]

Ah yes
Lets see the west coast bos deal deal with east coast bos with aliens weapons

Actually
They may not do that because shit get too confusing too fast

[pastel hatch]

THE WEST COAST WILL NOT FALL UNDER BETHESDA'S WATCH!

WESTERNERS, TO ME!

FUCK THE EAST COAST!!!!!

[silver river]

Bro it’s not a big deal

I love fallout I’ve played every game except brotherhood of steel

I think it’s great they are doing the show and I love it

Of course I’m not happy with every bit of it but I’m happy to have it

[fallen wagon]

did they already retcon the tram? i didnt see any tram tracks

[fallen wagon]

are you talking about commonwealth BoS>? because they are more or less running classic protection racket

the institute had like 2 or 3 locations with confirmed activity and for this they want all the peasants to contribute

[pastel hatch]

I am a proud West Coast supporter.

I will not watch it fall into pieces.

(Satire)

[fallen wagon]

I think cold fusion will end up being unstable power in some way like ultracite probably will. It would just make 0 sense to have near unlimited power in the setting

or its one of a kind and non replicable

[coarse grove]

He was joking, he wasn't serious. Lol

[shy dove]

East coast >>>

[modern quail]

@shy dove No memes, #rules 2

!mute 715126092859572224 6h Upon review, user is repeat offender Rules 2

[solar ginkgo]

deviant1166 muted ninwaya for 6 hours. Reason: Upon review, user is repeat offender Rules 2

[scenic wolf]

Im a betting man

And I'm betting Maximus gets the laser pistol we see him holding from paladin harkness

I think that's what will be different between the Commonwealth BOS and the west coast guys

The Commonwealth will have its soldiers standard equipped with energy guns or at least have a good amount compared to the zero we see in the western ones

Hell that's probably how the ghoul gets that gauss rifle

[rocky igloo]

I just want to see all the energy weapons being fired

We got to see Moldaver prepping for battle with a laser rifle but didn't actually see her fire a single shot lol

[errant bobcat]

i wonder if Cooper knew Roger Maxson, or at least heard of him

[eager folio]

Laser weapons are GARBAGE!
A real person would use bullets!

Not fancy sci-fi unrealsitc weapons

[empty crane]

normal guns are boring

[hasty bramble]

nuclear fission and fusion are near unlimited power, in the setting

[rocky igloo]

I usually prefer ballistics but I like to throw in a laser or plasma shot every now and then for balance

I've always felt that bullets on robots feels wrong, and almost exclusively use energy on them

[eager folio]

Not me
I need my bullets
I need to shoot my enemies away

[rocky igloo]

I just want to see someone get turned into green goo

Or a laser ash pile

[scenic wolf]

I prefer plasma weapons for energy guns

Gatling laser was cool in fo3/NV but not really in anything else

In fo1-2 it was just a minigun with a red outline lol

[astral rapids]

We dont need classic glating laser

[scenic wolf]

Ammo is scarce

[errant bobcat]

production wise it'd probably be more convenient cause theres less moving parts

the fo4 gatling laser has like rotating barrels and shit

still it'd make sense to use fo4 gatling laser now that they have rechargeable fusion cores

[bleak oak]

Dane has moustache? Really annoying I had to learn about this from transphobic posts but eh 🥀🥀🥀🥀🥀

Pics?

[coarse grove]

76 and 4 got rid of that problem lore wise technically speak. Automation is a thing. It's just a matter of getting the resources to set it up.

And ammo isn't as scarce without it given they literally use Ammo as a reward currency.

So there's definitely enough.

[tame current]

Not to mention that in the west you might not have problem the closer you get to NCR supply lines

You know, since they produce those things as well, now

[coarse grove]

Yeah, so ammo scarcity wouldn't be an issue for a cetain amount of factions. Ammo being scarce would apply to like Tribals, Wastelanders, etc etc.
We know from Fallout 4 and Fallout 76 that a lot of automation facilities are not destroyed, more so inoperable because individuals haven't figured out the way to make them work yet.

[errant bobcat]

Also Gun Runners in New Vegas

ammo and arms factories are still up and running

just not as many of them as there used to be

[coarse grove]

I can only imagine that Gun Runners have expanded beyond belief, as even through the Events of FNV they were giving Crimson Caravan a run for their money cause Alice literally oculdn't compete with them.

[shy dove]

This server has a personal agenda against memes 😭

Holy

[coarse grove]

It's their rules brother. lol

[astral rapids]

Memes killed my father

[shy dove]

L

[eager folio]

Memes ruined my country ecnomy

[tame current]

Because memes killed my grandma, ok?

[dusky walrus]

that happened to my grandma too

memes kill

[torpid cargo]

For a server born from Reddit, the hate boner for memes is really weird.

No one tell them half the random encounters in Fallout 1 and 2 are just gags and memes

[coarse grove]

Does it really matter that much? I enjoy memes as much as the next person, but I feel like they're not necessarily needed or required.

[dusky walrus]

It's a joke, rather we are allowed to post memes. That's the rules unfortunately

[olive depot]

I view memes as like swearing, if your only way to respond to things is using swear words or memes then are you really adding anything to the conversation? Occasionally I can see the humor but some people resort to them for everything. So if we're memeless I'm okay with that. But I'm not okay with is having to wait another week for another episode. Thank goodness I only have to wait two more days.

[amber arrow]

It just doesn’t really add anything to the conversation

[torpid cargo]

Okay but that doesn’t explain why there can’t be a space for it, like every other discord server in existence

[astral rapids]

Can't moderate it allday

[astral rapids]

Reaction gifs are aollowed just gotta know the difference

[torpid cargo]

That seems like a very subjective and blurry line.

[coarse grove]

I'm ngl, no one in their right mind wants to sit down and moderate memes all day, it's lowkey brainrot. lol
But regardless, it's their rules - I'm sure if it's that bothersome the mods can explain it, or something. But it's not that big of a deal, conversations about the show have been fine without them.

[amber arrow]

they are?

i’ve been moderated for reaction gifs

[coarse grove]

Yeah, if you check their rules they explain it.

[austere arch]

@torpid cargo all concerns about moderation can be directed to @lavish geyser . This and the other channels are not the place for it.

#rules

[torpid cargo]

Not about to complain to some synth account because I can’t post a funny image of the courier in a sombrero.

[austere arch]

Glad we could clear up the proper channels for moderation concerns and the location of the #rules for you. Carry on with season 2 discussion.

[solar ginkgo]

NO TV SHOW SPOILERS IN THIS CHANNEL. Please utilize https://discord.com/channels/263621344124469248/1447293457092710510 by selecting an episode or https://discord.com/channels/263621344124469248/1447295973129978058 for discussion of any episodes.

[austere arch]

Just as a reminder

ya'll are fine.

[astral rapids]

Maybe they will show a terminal entry or something on how moledaver is still around or well was

[coarse grove]

It's probably gonna be when we find out how Coop's family survived.

Cause it's clear Moldaver didn't go into a Vault

and she used Rose's pipboy to access Lucy's vault

[astral rapids]

Think hank will get wasteland justice or will Lucy do a court of law

[coarse grove]

nah he dies this season, no WAY he lives to Season 3, I'd riot lol

[torpid cargo]

Larger fridge

[coarse grove]

cause at the very least it looks like Xander, Max, Thaddeus, and the Ghoul focus on Vegas - and freeing it from the deathclaw, and Lucy goes into the vault facility to deal with her Father

the only lingering question is Norm

which i bet he becomes Overseer

[astral rapids]

Norm passes the speech check

[torpid cargo]

A death claw tossing around a bunch of Securitrons would be hilarious to watch.

[astral rapids]

Think the TV show will cannonize vault zero?

[weary sorrel]

Perhaps, but maybe more in a broad strokes kinda thing; would have to separate it from the Calculator or retool the Calculator somewhat.

[austere tendon]

nah

[past wasp]

Victor in ep. 3 guys.. we're almost there my fellow victor kissers..

[rain hamlet]

im sad we still havent seen any laser weapons and probably never will

[coarse grove]

It's literally in the season trailer wym

Maximus has a laser pistol in Vegas

[rain hamlet]

he has one but we still havent seen one used

i got excited by that part as well but so far we still havent seen an actual laser being fired

[turbid radish]

I mean I would bet large sums of money that he will

We haven’t even seen it yet in the show just trailers

[astral rapids]

I think we will see lasers

[covert quarry]

I wonder if Revenge of Brutus is actually a fake out

New Caesar gets killed by Culkin and he becomes Culkin-Caesar
But that isn't actually the revenge, which comes later when The Ghoul kills Culkin-Caesar

Because who tf did Brutus get revenge on? But Mark Anythony did get revenge of Brutus for killing Caesar

[austere arch]

Well, one of the easiest and simplest is that someone filled in the power void and wronged them. They then plot revenge with a group.

[empty crane]

I thought he had a lightsaber for a sec

[plush ember]

the legion in live action????

i just wanna see a live action secretion merk someone at the strip gate

no way they out the old tf2 metal hitting sound in this episode

oooh shit brotherhood civil war????

[tranquil topaz]

Yes, and they didn’t invite the commonwealth to the meeting which opens a whole can of worms

If the brotherhood commonwealth is still out there (assuming they pull up with the prydwen) then that means the brotherhood or minuteman ending is canon

But the ending where you don’t blow it up

[plush ember]

i get a sense the rest of the brotherhood hates the commonwealth branch

so the airship in season 1 isn the prydwin

[turbid radish]

I think we may just be reading into it too much

[austere arch]

oh for sure. I just thought, if they had to tie it in for some reason the simplest is the most likely. Now, my opinion is it is just a cheeky way to explain how the Legion got a hold or inspiration for their gear at most. That or the most simple explanation: tying the past to the preset. lol

[turbid radish]

Yeah, or it ties into coopers flashback plot

[austere arch]

that's what I think too. Ties his past ot the present

[rigid walrus]

patrolling the mojave almost makes you wish for a nuclear winter

[scenic wolf]

76 is only 25 years after the war of course ammo isn't scarce in that tho

Also I was specifically talking about energy ammo

Even in 4 plasma and gauss rifle ammo is very scarce, the only common one is energy cells but that's because the institute and BOS main laser weapons

You can't even craft energy cells or plasma cells with the ammo crafting dlc fo4 had

Can make 2mm ecm but that's probably because gauss isn't technically an energy weapon it's just accelerated projectiles

And in NV you can craft energy ammo but at the cost of using other energy ammo to make it

So you aren't just creating it from stuff you find it's repurposed from existing ammo

I'm thinking the bos on the west Coast will use their cold fusion to probably create energy ammo as well as fusion cores

[astral rapids]

They said they chould make fusion cores with it

[rigid walrus]

lucy not giving the stimpak to howard just pissed me off a lot

[astral rapids]

Shes gonna get karma from the legion proabbly

[pure kernel]

Lucy gonna find out how fun it is to chop people up with a machete and tie people to poles

While wearing smelly football gear

[pure kernel]

Facts

[astral rapids]

Im guessing Cooper knows about the legion which is why he killed that dude

[pure kernel]

Yup

[rigid walrus]

also how the fuck does showing fusion cells get everyone convinced that they should go to war against the commonwealth

[silver river]

Fusion cores and because if they didn’t the commonwealth would take it

The commonwealth takes like any technology they find

And they are convinced that since they have unlimited energy from the cold fusion they can stand a chance because they can mass produce things in factories

[rigid walrus]

Lucy is stupid

[rigid walrus]

well okay

makes sense enough

[silver river]

No she ain’t and she bad

She’s naive

She comes from a world where violence doesn’t exist

She doesn’t know any better

And I wouldn’t exactly trust the guy eating people and who cut off my finger

[astral rapids]

Yeah but I dought lucy will make it to Vegas without Cooper or help

[silver river]

Yea which is why she stays with the ghoul

She’s smart enough to know that

Maybe they will head past black mountain

[rigid walrus]

i am a bigger fan of the ghoul than lucy

she literally just left him there to suffer from the most potent radscorpion venom you can think of to rescue a legion slave that calls her a profligate as soon as she's out of trouble

i hope the legion doesn't apply their standard treatment of women to lucy

[astral rapids]

Was that the vault tec rep from the intro in copps flashback

[weary sorrel]

Same; if there's any group that're uniquely placed to show Lucy just how bad the Wasteland can be, it's the Legion.

[austere tendon]

it makes no sense to be the rep from fo4

[late wedge]

It’s certainly A vault tec rep. There’s no real reason to think it’s the same vault tec rep, but it’s not impossible.

[austere tendon]

Vault Tec only has one rep that goes door to door from East to West coast

[scenic wolf]

So the next episode, is it coming out the same time as last?

Sometime in the middle of the early morning tonight?

[cold jetty]

Yes

[sand thicket]

Guys

I just realized there’s a named knight

Could this knight Riley character be important and not just a background character

[coarse grove]

There's several named characters, but we don't know yet, it's hard to tell.

[sand thicket]

They also referred to Maximus as sir

Which leads me to believe he is a knight captain or sergeant

Or knight officer since his bomber jacket has the same rank insignia as the regular brotherhood officers

[coarse grove]

He's probably an officer, but idk it hasn't been expressed beyond just a Knight.

[pure kernel]

I'm sure knights in this iteration of the brotherhood act as officers

especially with the more medieval esque aspect of the brotherhood that we're seeing

[sand thicket]

The other knights call him sir

Which I don’t think would happen if he was the same rank as them

[coarse grove]

I would assume so yeah, i would also believe Quintus has propped Maximus up as a heroic figure for the Chapter, so they default to treating him as their superior, even if he isn't.

[pure kernel]

Yes, knights would logically call each other that.

[sand thicket]

And his jacket

Ha the same insignia as these officers

[pure kernel]

Knights and other nobles were called "Sir", it isn't just a military term

[coarse grove]

^

[pure kernel]

especially since every knight has a squire now

there is a form of respect and formality in this brotherhood now

[coarse grove]

don't get hung up on reading too deep into one word, lol

[coarse grove]

This, yeah.

[pure kernel]

he's also the token badass of the quintus chapter at the moment, so calling him sir is respectful

[sand thicket]

I guess

Since he is sort off their champion for “killing” Moldaver

[coarse grove]

Yes, exactly.

[pure kernel]

his rank wont matter anyways since he's gonna defect and fuck off with the cold fusion

[coarse grove]

Quintus has propped him up - we know this for sure.

[pure kernel]

quintus is a dick, I hope he gets what's coming to him lol

[sand thicket]

He’s an idiot

Along with everyone else in his chapter

[pure kernel]

all that scheming just for Paladin Xander to roll up telling them the commonwealth knew the whole time

[sand thicket]

He deserves the same treatment as elder Elijah

[weary sorrel]

Or at least being caught too close to a plasma grenade explosion caused by those two idiot Knights playing catch again.

[torpid cargo]

What is Maximus best achievement so far? besides taking credit for the cold fusion

[sand thicket]

The Dane guy credited Maximus for killing the leader of that ncr settlement at Griffith

[cold jetty]

Yes, Knight Riley and Knight Gnatius

[sand thicket]

I think these guys are going to get killed

And Thaddeus ends up in one of their suits

[cold jetty]

He probably takes Maximus or Xander suit

[torpid cargo]

More Thaddeus is always great.

[weary sorrel]

And so the collective IQ of the Brotherhood shoots up like a ICBM from the Divide.

[coarse grove]

Killing Moldaver, and successful missions Quintus has dispatched him on. But Quintus, like I said, is like - exaggerating or hyperbolic in Maximus's achievements to use him as a focal point to uplift him as the Chapter's champion/hero.

[sand thicket]

Yeah he’s trying to use Maximus as a martyr for the brotherhood he wants to build

[sand thicket]

Cool concept this is the first time we see them store empty armor on a vertibird

[scenic wolf]

In one of those episode breakdowns Maximus voice actor talks about how Maximus is now the highest ranking knight in his brotherhood chapter

Dude is literally next in line if quintus dies

[coarse grove]

Yes, but he is still a Knight.
It's expected that a Hero that Quintus propped up would take over - but || We know that doesn't happen cause Maximus betrays them anyway. ||

[scenic wolf]

Another thing that's kinda strange is The ghouls hostility towards legion slaves also why were those legion slaves even there alone without any legionnaires, and when the girl gets helped by Lucy she just walks straight back to legion territory, like are these people so mind broken now they don't even take the chance to escape

[pure kernel]

Yeah pretty much

Legion slaves are super indoctrinated, also some sort of stockholm syndrome at play I assume

[coarse grove]

|| And she still gets killed for returning. So it probably just further drills home to the other slaves that escape means death, one way or another. ||

[pure kernel]

also the fact that the mojave is an expansive empty shithole so its meaningless to try and survive without supplies across the desert

[pure kernel]

indeed

[dusky walrus]

oof, thought she was gonna be a bigger character, guess not

[coarse grove]

The slave? || No, you can see her head on a spike in one of the trailers/videos Amazon put out. And she's also begging for her life in a snippet, so. Safe to assume she's dead. ||

[olive depot]

If you didn't see it, it hasn't happened....yet. Also it could be a late season thing. My thought is: Better to return to the Legion as a slave than try to survive on your own if you don't know how/have supplies/skillset. And knowing they will always be searching for you doesn't help. (Even if they don't)

[dusky walrus]

Didn't see that, thx

[coarse grove]

Magnus posted the screenshots, it looks like it happens in the || Next episode or so? Possibly. ||

[dusky walrus]

ya prob ||the next ep||, that's what I thought. They got captured at the end of ep2

[coarse grove]

Yeah cause you can see the slave talking to some Legionnaires in the next episode trailer.

[dusky walrus]

Where the clips? On yt or smth

[coarse grove]

Amazon's got them up, on youtube, and after the episode ends - well the first episode had like two trailers